Convert xim apex to usb 3.0 or 3.1( question from dev team)

[Sam003]

Hi, is there a way i can mod my xim apex to convert it to usb 3.0 or 3.1? Hardware modification? Or any body anyone that can do that for me?

[slickrick]

just buy a powered 3.0 hub and hook it up. Mine works fine.

[Sam003]

just buy a powered 3.0 hub and hook it up. Mine works fine.

I already have micro usb hub https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B08411WQGG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 but Xim apex is usb 2.0 and it bottlenecks data transmission.

[antithesis]

A USB device can't be converted from 2.0 to 3.0.

The maximum speed of USB 2.0 is 1000Hz, which is well above the practical limitation of m/kb or controller input. USB 3.0 is up to 8000Hz (though in practice, it's much lower) and only a couple of gaming mice & keyboards can do it.

No controller is capable of running at 8000Hz, so there is no benefit to attempting to overclock XIM APEX beyond 1000Hz.

[Sam003]

A USB device can't be converted from 2.0 to 3.0.

The maximum speed of USB 2.0 is 1000Hz, which is well above the practical limitation of m/kb or controller input. USB 3.0 is up to 8000Hz (though in practice, it's much lower) and only a couple of gaming mice & keyboards can do it.

No controller is capable of running at 8000Hz, so there is no benefit to attempting to overclock XIM APEX beyond 1000Hz.

Well i have tested overclocked ds5 and it works great with PC (i9 11900k, 3080ti, 32 gb 3600mhz) on 8k hz. ( the latency measured  by ds4 windows program reads to be 0 which means leass then 0.01ms) while same controller on same oberclocked port with same wire throught xim apex with usb hub 3.1 latencybreading is 0.55-0.65 ms its clearly xim apex bottle necking the overclocking. Now before you say that 0ms and 0.65ms does not make a differemce it actually do a lot of difference as i play on 360hz , 360fps stable. Game i play mainly is fortnite (creative only, non-competitive die to ethical issues as i am using xim)

[antithesis]

Okay, sure you do…:backs away slowly towards the door:

DS4Windows is not an accurate measure of USB latency. Only a USB packet analyzer, which costs tens of thousands of dollars, will perform the job.

You may be able to request packets from a DualSense at 8000Hz, but it’s not responding to those requests at the same rate. It’s responding at 125Hz over USB, regardless of how many times you ask for a response. I previously thought it was 250Hz over USB (which ConsoleTuner states in their Titan Two kb), but apparently not.

If you’d like confirmation, ask OBsIV. He posted the 125Hz info a few days ago in another thread. He uses one of those expensive USB packet sniffers, not inaccurate freeware PC software, to measure request & response rates to & from a controller.

By the way, according to your figures, XIM is responding at almost 2000Hz, which just  isn’t happening. Even at the USB 2.0 max of 1000Hz, that’s still 3 times faster than 360Hz / FPS and already overkill. Pushing XIM to 8000Hz won’t make any difference to how quickly the game receives input, which is seemingly 360Hz.

1000Hz is also significantly faster than actual input lag to your gaming screen, most of which run at around 60 to 120Hz (16 to 8ms). Check the input lag figures for your screen as there’s no way it’s running at 360Hz, regardless of the reported FPS.

It sounds like there’s a lot of placebo effect happening in your setup. You can ask a DualSense the same question 8000 times per second, but it’s only ever going to answer 8 times over USB. The other 7992 questions make no difference to the time it takes to answer.

Regardless of this discussion, to answer your original question, XIM APEX is a USB 2.0 device at the hardware level and can’t be converted to USB 3.0, unless the hardware is redesigned and remanufactured.

[Sam003]

Okay, sure you do…:backs away slowly towards the door:

DS4Windows is not an accurate measure of USB latency. Only a USB packet analyzer, which costs tens of thousands of dollars, will perform the job.

You may be able to request packets from a DualSense at 8000Hz, but it’s not responding to those requests at the same rate. It’s responding at 125Hz over USB, regardless of how many times you ask for a response. I previously thought it was 250Hz over USB (which ConsoleTuner states in their Titan Two kb), but apparently not.

If you’d like confirmation, ask OBsIV. He posted the 125Hz info a few days ago in another thread. He uses one of those expensive USB packet sniffers, not inaccurate freeware PC software, to measure request & response rates to & from a controller.

By the way, according to your figures, XIM is responding at almost 2000Hz, which just  isn’t happening. Even at the USB 2.0 max of 1000Hz, that’s still 3 times faster than 360Hz / FPS and already overkill. Pushing XIM to 8000Hz won’t make any difference to how quickly the game receives input, which is seemingly 360Hz.

1000Hz is also significantly faster than actual input lag to your gaming screen, most of which run at around 60 to 120Hz (16 to 8ms). Check the input lag figures for your screen as there’s no way it’s running at 360Hz, regardless of the reported FPS.

It sounds like there’s a lot of placebo effect happening in your setup. You can ask a DualSense the same question 8000 times per second, but it’s only ever going to answer 8 times over USB. The other 7992 questions make no difference to the time it takes to answer.

Regardless of this discussion, to answer your original question, XIM APEX is a USB 2.0 device at the hardware level and can’t be converted to USB 3.0, unless the hardware is redesigned and remanufactured.

Thanks for the detailed reply. Offcourse i dont have expensive equipment to test. You might be right. I will try to dig more knto your info. Thanks again..