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How to play all PS5 games over Remote Play
« on: 06:01 PM - 09/07/21 »
Regardless of the DualSense requirement in new or newly patched PS5 games, all of them can still be played using a XIM 4 or XIM APEX over Remote Play at 4K 60FPS and 1080p 120 FPS.

A DualSense controller on XIM APEX (requires beta firmware from https://xim.tech/beta) works for PC Remote Play, so a PS4 controller is not needed. A DualShock 4 V2 works in Remote Play on PC, Mac or PS4.

What you'll need for Remote Play to PS5 -

1. PC, Mac or PS4.
2. PS Remote Play app.
3. DualSense (PC only), or DualShock 4 V2 controller (Mac, PC & PS4).
4. XIM APEX (or XIM 4), mouse & keyboard (or Nav, Azeron etc).
5. A data or sync USB cable for the controller.

To minimise input lag (optional, but highly recommended) -

1. Gigabit ethernet network switch, or PS5 wired to the router or modem. PS5 and PC, Mac or PS4 should be wired to the same network switch, router or modem. Always use ethernet for online gaming if you care about performance.
2. Cat 5E or better ethernet cables.
3. If you don't have a wired ethernet, use gigabit Wifi 6 or input lag will be an issue and you should stop reading this now.
4. DualSense functions at 250Hz over USB. Set the XIM APEX Response Rate to 250Hz to avoid purple XIM APEX LED flashing, which indicates USB desync and will cause input lag.

OBsIV confirmed that PS5 wired to PC wired input over Remote Play is < 1ms roundtrip, so lag is not an issue over gigabit ethernet. If Remote Play input is lagging, check your setup.

Setup -

1. Start the PS5 console and login to your PSN Account.
2. Activate Remote Play in PS5 > Settings > Remote Play > Enable Remote Play.
3. Select the Link Device option in PS5 Remote Play settings. A code will display for use on PC, Mac or PS4.
4. Swap to PC, Mac or PS4. Download and install the PS Remote Play app.
5. Login to your PSN account in the Remote Play app on PC, Mac or PS4.
6. Click the Gear icon at bottom-left of the Remote Play app.
7. Set Resolution to 360p and Framerate to High. Disable Use Keyboard for text. These settings minimise lag over Remote Play. Close the popup window to return to Remote Play's main window.
8. Connect a DualSense (PC only) or DualShock 4 V2 controller to XIM. Other controllers do not work.
9. Connect XIM to PC, Mac or PS4.
10. Select PS5 in the Remote Play app on PC, Mac or PS4 to connect to the PS5 console.
11. Remote Play will search for PS5 connections over the Internet. If Remote Play doesn't automatically find your PS5, let it time out after a few minutes, then enter the Link Device code from step 5 to establish a Local Network connection. This is critical to minimising input lag - always use Local, not Internet.
12.DO NOT use the Remote Play app to view your game, use the screen connected to the PS5. If you only have one screen, setup your Remote Play connection in the steps above, then swap the HDMI input back to PS5 when you're ready to play.
13. Start a PS5 game using your XIM mouse, keyboard or XIM-connected controller.
14. Optional - to start Remote Play while your PS5 console is in rest mode, select  Settings > System > Power Saving > Features Available in Rest Mode. Then turn on Stay Connected to the Internet and Enable Turning on PS5 from Network.
15. To quit Remote Play, close the app on PC, Mac or PS4.

Regular Use -

1. Turn on PS5 using the power button. Ignore if PS5 is in Rest Mode and Step 14 is enabled.
2. Connect XIM with mouse, keyboard & DualSense (or DS4 V2) to PC.
3. Start Remote Play app and connect to your PS5.
4. Enter the PSN user account password in Remote Play if one is set.
5. Use the screen or HDMI input connected to PS5 to view the game.

This solution works in all DualSense-restricted PS5 games. Input lag from XIM is minimal over gigabit ethernet. I honestly couldn't notice it in Remote Play due to the local network connection from the XIM on PC or Mac (both tested) to the PS5.

Caveats -

1. If only one DualSense controller is available, use the DualSense > PS button > Accessories > Wireless Controller > Turn Off option on PS5 to swap the DualSense from PS5 to XIM during setup.
2. A PS5 reboot may be needed if Remote Play is laggy or unresponsive. It's rock-solid with no noticeable lag over gigabit ethernet.
3. There will always be more lag in Remote Play over Wifi, unless you have gigabit Wifi 6 and minimal wireless interference.
4. Don't use Remote Play over the internet for online MP games, connect locally to PS5 in Remote Play. The app will indicate a nearby connection when Remote Play connects to the PS5 on the local network.
5. Not tested yet on PS4, but the process should be similar and needs a DS4 V2.
6. DualSense not tested on XIM 4, but a DS4 V2 works.
7. If your XIM APEX is set to 500 or 1000Hz Response Rate, you may experience USB desync (flashing purple LED) when using a DualSense controller and controls will become unresponsive. Install https://github.com/LordOfMice/hidusbf on PC and force the DualSense polling rate to 1000Hz to resolve.
« Last Edit: 12:03 AM - 11/22/21 by antithesis »

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Re: How to play all PS5 games over Remote Play
« Reply #1 on: 08:10 PM - 09/07/21 »
Would you happen to have the Pi method I've seen referenced here.
I have a couple laying around from various projects and I'd like to do that with my Pi 4

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Re: How to play all PS5 games over Remote Play
« Reply #2 on: 09:15 PM - 09/07/21 »
Will this be capped at 60fps? Same as using the PS4 version  of the game or will it be better this way?

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Re: How to play all PS5 games over Remote Play
« Reply #3 on: 09:23 PM - 09/07/21 »
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Re: How to play all PS5 games over Remote Play
« Reply #4 on: 09:32 PM - 09/07/21 »
Downloading Siege PS5 version now to confirm. When using Remote Play, the PS5 is still running the game natively on the console, so it should remain 120FPS.

Only the video feed in Remote Play (which isn't being used) is subject to the Resolution settings. I played numerous 4K 60FPS games on my PS5's screen while Remote Play was set to 360p.

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Re: How to play all PS5 games over Remote Play
« Reply #5 on: 09:41 PM - 09/07/21 »
Sounds good, thanks for the effort and detailed tutorial.

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Re: How to play all PS5 games over Remote Play
« Reply #6 on: 09:45 PM - 09/07/21 »
120FPS confirmed.

It's 60FPS in the menus (set by the game), but 120FPS in-game (actually 140FPS or so without V-Sync).

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Re: How to play all PS5 games over Remote Play
« Reply #7 on: 09:50 PM - 09/07/21 »
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Re: How to play all PS5 games over Remote Play
« Reply #8 on: 01:19 AM - 09/08/21 »
is it necessary to use Dual Sense V2 or can I use my Third-Party Controller "PS4 Nacon Compat Controller"?
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Re: How to play all PS5 games over Remote Play
« Reply #9 on: 01:38 AM - 09/08/21 »
I think a DS4 V2 is required for Remote Play. But try your Nacon Compact to see if it works.

I’ll do the same with my Nacon and Hori Mini.

Confirmed - a DS4 V2 is required. DS4 V1, Hori Mini and Nacon Compact do NOT work.

XIM needs to be recognised as a PC or Mac-compatible DS4 V2 controller to work with Remote Play.

DualSense controller also works via Remote Play when connected to XIM APEX. I tried a DualSense controller on Mac and it didn't work.
« Last Edit: 03:13 AM - 09/08/21 by antithesis »

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Re: How to play all PS5 games over Remote Play
« Reply #10 on: 02:48 AM - 09/08/21 »
i just tested the remote play, and WOW i was impressed. i couldnt notice any lag or delay.
however my setup was different from yours.

1. i installed the ps5 remote play on my win10 pc. and i also pugged in my xim and the hub to the pc.
2. the hub was conncted with a kb and mouse and DUAL SENSE ps5 controller!
3. ps5 remote i changed the setting video setting to low. and i clicked search for ps5.
4. i enteret my psn info. and it started searching. and it connected.
5. both my pc and ps5 are wired on the same apple router next to each other.

i started cod cw ps5 version. everything works. i played 1 match online. and i was ownning. it really felt like local play. i was really impressed.

so in conclusion:
1. i didnt have to go through the link device
2. DUAL SENSE ps5 controller works conncted to the xim usb hub
3. my mini hori pad didnt work connected to the xim usb hub

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Re: How to play all PS5 games over Remote Play
« Reply #11 on: 02:50 AM - 09/08/21 »
Connect XIM to PC?
How can do it?

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Re: How to play all PS5 games over Remote Play
« Reply #12 on: 03:24 AM - 09/08/21 »
I saw your post on Facebook sonic and just tested to confirm. I'm on Mac most of the time, so didn't think to try a DualSense on XIM as it's not compatible with macOS yet.

Sure enough, you were right - a DualSense controller works for Remote Play on PC! Thanks for testing, guide updated :)

This is huge as no PS4 controllers are needed and Remote Play is unlikely to be able to block XIM by removing DS4 support.

A DS4 V2 is needed on Mac, but that's small potatoes given most peeps interested in this will have a PC.

 I'm checking for timeouts now by letting the DualSense idle on XIM, but so far, so good.

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Re: How to play all PS5 games over Remote Play
« Reply #13 on: 03:30 AM - 09/08/21 »
Connect XIM to PC?
How can do it?
Unplug XIM from PS5. Plug it into a PC USB 2.0 port (3.0 might also work).
Follow the guide.

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Re: How to play all PS5 games over Remote Play
« Reply #14 on: 03:34 AM - 09/08/21 »
I saw your post on Facebook sonic and just tested to confirm. I'm on Mac most of the time, so didn't think to try a DualSense on XIM as it's not compatible with macOS yet.

Sure enough, you were right - a DualSense controller works for Remote Play on PC! Thanks for testing, guide updated :)

This is huge as no PS4 controllers are needed and Remote Play is unlikely to be able to block XIM by removing DS4 support.

A DS4 V2 is needed on Mac, but that's small potatoes given most peeps interested in this will have a PC.

 I'm checking for timeouts now by letting the DualSense idle on XIM, but so far, so good.

good job buddy!!

i read somewhere that there is another 3rd party software for remote play which has less delay? i think someone wrote as a comment on xim central ps remote play video