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Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
« Reply #75 on: 11:42 PM - 05/02/11 »
Well the title of the thread only says its legit with MS. Xim is now being used for a lot more then the cod series. so its really not an "incorrect sticky" at all.  Individual developers and their respective banning decisions would all be Independent of each other unless MS were to override them all with a general ban of their own.
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Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
« Reply #76 on: 12:23 AM - 05/03/11 »
When someone is banned because they were showing off their xim3 on a developers official forum do you think they will care about the technicalities?
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Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
« Reply #77 on: 08:35 PM - 05/03/11 »
Exactly. Just because one random, clueless outsourced MS online chat representative said it was within Microsoft's TOS doesn't mean squat.

#winner. The left hand doesn't know what anything else is doing. Barring someone talked to Microsoft's legal AND the XBL enforcement's rule's arm. This thread should be unstickied locked & burried. It serves no purpose & does not in any way address the "legality" of playing with an XIM on xbox 360 or XBL.

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Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
« Reply #78 on: 09:25 PM - 05/03/11 »
Agreeing with the "remove sticky" option. While LIVE's Terms of Use don't bar unlicensed peripherals, they do defer to individual publisher/developer user agreements when concerning their respective games. Thus, violating Treyarch's terms while playing Treyarch's game over LIVE is, in itself, a violation of LIVE's ToU. Because Treyarch's security agreement is so broad that they could technically get away with banning you for using a monitor with a higher maximum resolution than another player, any enforcer who decides he doesn't like XIMers is going to be within the company's self-given rights to report to Microsoft or ban someone for using one.

Not every publisher has taken in to account third-party peripherals, but a common attribute of almost all EULAs is the ability to change immediately and without prior warning or approval from the customer, so just because the XIMs are fair play now doesn't mean they always will be. That said, there is no definite way—unless Microsoft has some way to monitor raw input values in real-time, which a software solution designed to make input scale more closely to the controller would counter—to prove someone is using anything other than a wired controller in the case of all XIMs, so properly enforcing any rule against their use is nigh impossible without admission from the player in question.

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Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
« Reply #79 on: 01:41 AM - 05/04/11 »
Yep remove sticky. Not to mention that Razer has contacted directly to confirm the OP is fake.

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Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
« Reply #80 on: 11:15 AM - 05/05/11 »
MS doesnt allow any third party adapters for gameplay too, maybe for text entering only, but definately not for gameplay.

i'm assuming this includes arcade sticks and driving wheels not licensed by MS as well?
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Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
« Reply #81 on: 11:10 AM - 06/03/11 »
http://www.callofduty.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=507117
 I lul'd at that post and the moderators reply.

So i sent him this in private message form.

You would have had a valid point when you posted this in regard to the xim3.


Unsupported Peripheral Devices
Users who utilize a hardware device / peripheral that is not officially licensed or otherwise supported by console manufacturers which gives a player an unfair advantage over opponents. This includes, but is not limited to, modded controllers.

• Minor offense: Temp ban from playing the game online
• Major offense: Extended temp ban from playing the game online, complete stats reset
• Extreme or repeat offenses: Permaban from playing the game online

But the company you work for has their name posted all over this.
http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Call-Duty-PrecisionAIM-Controller/dp/B00076EY9U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1307120511&sr=8-1

This controller has 2 extra buttons therefore would give an advantage over someone with the officially supported controller.

So your quote should have looked more something like this.

Unsupported Peripheral Devices
Users who utilize a hardware device / peripheral that is not officially licensed or otherwise supported by console manufacturers which gives a player an unfair advantage over opponents. This includes, but is not limited to, modded controllers. (THIS DOESN'T APPLY IF YOU GIVE US MORE MONEY AND BUY OUR ENDORSED MADCATZ CONTROLLER)

• Minor offense: Temp ban from playing the game online
• Major offense: Extended temp ban from playing the game online, complete stats reset
• Extreme or repeat offenses: Permaban from playing the game online

Let's be honest you aren't about to start banning people for using the blackops controller with the treyarch logo on the back.

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Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
« Reply #82 on: 11:14 AM - 06/03/11 »
followed up with this.

Furthermore from reading the info, the xim3 doesn't do anything that a normal xbox 360 controller can't. Your endorsed controller does things the regular officially supported xbox controller can't.

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Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
« Reply #83 on: 03:52 PM - 06/03/11 »
Lol ... Would love to see this guy respond. Pls update
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Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
« Reply #84 on: 06:36 PM - 06/03/11 »
the mod responded with this.
"If the Black Ops/MW2 controllers were the *only* "specialized" licensed controllers then yes you would have a valid point. Unfortunately, you're just trying to get a jab in somewhere and it's based on a very weak argument. Users utilizing unsupported peripherals are banned when discovered."


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Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
« Reply #85 on: 06:38 PM - 06/03/11 »
I then replied with this.
"Well supported or not it gives an obvious advantage over the stock controller and does things the regular one can't . There's simply no arguing with that. You place a terms of service in effect and officially endorse a product that violates it. That makes zero sense."
I sent that about 6 hours ago and still no response.

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Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
« Reply #86 on: 01:43 PM - 06/04/11 »
Why are you guys still throwing caution to the wind and getting up in moderators' faces about this?

The best thing we can do as a community is not flaunt it in front of the people that don't understand or endorse XIM. If we just mind our own business and play the game, the mods will likely never try to pay attention to the XIM.

With you guys antagonizing moderators and Microsoft employees, you're just attracting unwanted, hostile attention. You're not going to magically convince a Treyarch mod that the XIM is OK after a string of PMs on a message board. All you're going to do is piss off Treyarch and make them want to find a way to ban XIM users easier. Your best bet is to just shut up and let it go.
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Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
« Reply #87 on: 06:42 PM - 06/04/11 »
Your best bet is to just shut up and let it go.

Silence is sometimes the best option.

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Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
« Reply #88 on: 08:53 PM - 06/04/11 »
Lets not bring heat on xim for the wrong reasons. Although i understand ur arguments. Lets keep the pr positive.
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Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
« Reply #89 on: 06:27 AM - 06/06/11 »
I didn't bring it up someone else from the community posted on their forums. I only sent what i've shown here and no more. I just thought the whole in his logic was funny and wanted to point it out so i pm'ed him.