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I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?  (Read 4281 times)

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I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?

I'm PC player since '95, on my youth I played competitive Counter Strike. Nowadays, I play casually as any other grown up man supporting his family and business, is more a social activity. I play with my IRL friends on their consoles, is our relief valve, where we have a good time, drinking, joking around before our next meet-up.

For FPS games I prefer mouse and keyboard, is the right tool for the job and XIM gives me the option, on PC I can plug a controller and that's it.

However there is some significant caveats. Unlike true mouse input, XIM works inside of joystick limitations, there is acceleration in some degree and a very annoying turn limit, so no flick shoots, quick and precise turning and aim snapping, also if the game has poor aim/look mechanics, XIM can't do much.

For campaign games third person like RDR2, Spiderman, GoW etc I use the controller.

I still have a beefy Gaming PC and play there some games solo by the same token when I play on console I prefer little to no aim assist, not for ethical reasons... I believe it gets in my way when is too strong and if the game has poor network performance AA makes you lock in to a target that is not there, making hit detection worse, without AA you can lead shoots, and once get I got used to, I can flick shooting like on PC in a certain degree.

I'm aware than many XIM users relies on AA, which I understand is a resource to compensate the turn limit and less recoil control with XIM. What I personally think is pathetic/funny is those who use XIM on PC for AA abuse, but I get it no everybody has the dexterity to play as a top tier player with a true mouse input.

I worked on human interface devices for people with disabilities and I believe consoles should allow more input devices, just like PC, I applaud XIM Team because give us that option. Freedom of choice is always good.

Couldnít agree more, itís pathetic people who use the xim on pc..

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Couldnít agree more, itís pathetic people who use the xim on pc..
Pathetic is harsh, each to their own. Console controls are much more compact than native kb on PC, that's reason enough to try a XIM if you prefer console controls :)

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Couldnít agree more, itís pathetic people who use the xim on pc..
Pathetic is harsh, each to their own. Console controls are much more compact than native kb on PC, that's reason enough to try a XIM if you prefer console controls :)

But thatís not the reason they use it, they use it for an aa advantage over other pc players...

If that was the reason fair enough, but still.

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But thatís not the reason they use it, they use it for an aa advantage over other pc players...

If that was the reason fair enough, but still.
On the flipside, native m/kb has better precision and faster turn speed...swings and roundabouts.

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This a simple question, I just want answers to why you would prefer to use, what I would call cheating but thatís just from what Iíve experienced, an adapter.


Buy a Xim Apex, join us and be happy!
End your suffering, man! Stop being the hunt and become the hunter! ;D

Maybe not today my friend XD

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But thatís not the reason they use it, they use it for an aa advantage over other pc players...

If that was the reason fair enough, but still.
On the flipside, native m/kb has better precision and faster turn speed...swings and roundabouts.
Tell that to the pc ximmers, rather than putting the work of training your aim and getting better they stay and rely on aa.

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But thatís not the reason they use it, they use it for an aa advantage over other pc players...

If that was the reason fair enough, but still.
On the flipside, native m/kb has better precision and faster turn speed...swings and roundabouts.
Tell that to the pc ximmers, rather than putting the work of training your aim and getting better they stay and rely on aa.
At the end they are digging its own grave, AA dependence turns in its own plateau.

XIM mouse translation (even worse with an unoptimized ST because is not supported) will be easily out played by true native mouse input which has:
no acceleration,
no turn limit,
precise tracking for all the aim/looks and
better recoil control.

Every time they pick up a new game or the dev change something, they spent ours to make its AA work again, while its tracking is very poor. If they jump to a peer to peer game, its hit detection will be aggravated by the AA stuck in bubble a 50ms non-existent hitbox.

Everyone can use its stuff as they pleased. Compact interface more like cut-down, scripting devices does the same in essence, an input wrapper/manipulator.

It would be more coherent for the XIM Community MVP's and some Mods to follow XIM Team purpose, denying any source of support of the misuse of XIM on PC as they do against scripting devices and macros.

More and more people start seen XIM as a cheating device, far from what it really is.

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I love how you just said the same @#$%. If you look at people that are actually good most donít use third party adapters and peripherals.  Also love how you compared an actual steering wheel to a toy you hook up to your console. If you wanna handicap your self by cheating then go ahead, just donít try to blow smoke up peoples @#$%.
I repeated myself because you clearly don't understand what I'm saying. When dealing with children, repetition helps to convey the message. If you'd prefer that I use small words, I can do that too.

These are all advantageous devices in their respective genres because they are the best tools for the job. In some cases (wheels, HOTAS, instruments), they emulate real world interfaces that have been refined for over a century.

None of them will make you a god walking among mere mortals, they still require skill and practice. However, the skill ceiling is higher with dedicated devices than a generic console controller, so most players will be better with wheels, HOTAS, arcade sticks, mice etc than without.

Try racing Nurburgring with a wheel, then try again with a controller. I can guarantee you'll be significantly faster with the device that offers better control...and it ain't a controller. To repeat myself again, the same applies to fighters, flight sims, shooters, music games etc. Do you consider wheels, HOTAS, arcade sticks and music controllers to be cheat devices too, or do they simply offer more refined input?

If your argument is based solely on AA, then you've kind of missed the bulk of the discussion here about reducing rather than enhancing AA because a controller handles AA better than a XIM (the mouse hits an AA bubble that makes it harder to enter the hitbox). I guess the enhanced AA you get with a controller makes it cheating ::)

Keep your head in the sand champ, or...I don't know...actually use any of these devices before commenting. Or crawl back in your hole and play with the wallhackers, aimbots and lagswitchers on PC, because that's a tonne of fun!

Your an idiot. Seriously disputing that this adapter isnít cheating. At least people on pc KNOW WHEN THEY ARE CHEATING.  I can see that you need all the help you can get. So more power to you, stop lying. Iíve used xim and itís @#$% cheating, you obviously donít have the skill to compete with native MnK players. Trash

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Your an idiot

Lol he's not the one wasting precious time out of his day EVERY single day by just hating on people who are using a device that you no longer use.

Sorry but you're the idiot here and a hypocrit because it was all fine when you did so, even if you felt like a cheater while doing it you still were doing it and payed a premium price to do so.  Not sure how you can live with that feeling because it looks like you really hate it when other people do it.

I understand that you moved on to pc but please take that negativity with you.  :)

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Your an idiot.
:facepalm:

I rest my case.

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Your an idiot. Seriously disputing that this adapter isnít cheating. At least people on pc KNOW WHEN THEY ARE CHEATING.  I can see that you need all the help you can get. So more power to you, stop lying. Iíve used xim and itís @#$% cheating, you obviously donít have the skill to compete with native MnK players. Trash

I think we re done here

From a legal point of view its not cheating and that is honestly the only relevant point of view. Everyone can have their own oppinion on top of that which is perfectly fine, but at the end of the day the legal circumstances are the ones that matter.
Also insulting other people for having an oppinion that you do not agree with is really low man.
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