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Model 0 makes 1000hz flawlessly up to 2000dpi. Maybe the only mouse that transmits at 1000hz steady which makes it a perfect mouse for the XIM. I would say by chance. The XIM needs more than 2000dpi so the mouse needs our Help. This works like Amnesty International. You mail a lot, they change the firmware. Ask Obsiv, he knows.

the feedback page is here.
https://www.pcgamingrace.com/pages/contact-us

Write something like this but never exactly this:


Please turn off smoothing for DPI over 2000dpi or let us turn it off by software please. The delay makes 1000hz completely useless.

Write also if you dont have the mouse, I dont have one (yet).
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Re: Community mobilisation for Glorious Model 0 mouse!
« Reply #1 on: 08:59 AM - 09/10/19 »
You don't have 1 but you know it's flawless? Wouldn't this be the same for any mouse with the same sensor?
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Re: Community mobilisation for Glorious Model 0 mouse!
« Reply #2 on: 09:03 AM - 09/10/19 »
Od1n told me its flawless until 2000 concerning hz and I trust him a 100%, if he sais so it is. I think flawless concerning the sensor is something else as the hz stability. Most modern sensors are flawless to my understanding but how good the mouse communicates is a different story.
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Re: Community mobilisation for Glorious Model 0 mouse!
« Reply #3 on: 09:10 AM - 09/10/19 »
I think I see where you're coming from. Id have to get one to try my self I'm a bit tired of playing with this brick in my hand.
Not sure I can post this but I've been scrolling through here for a lot of information
https://sensor.fyi/info/
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Re: Community mobilisation for Glorious Model 0 mouse!
« Reply #4 on: 09:24 AM - 09/10/19 »
Yeah I was the one that informed od1n. It has a 3360 sensor which has been tested by professionaIs many times (even the modeI o specificaIIy) It has 32 frames of smoothing after 2000 DPI which resuIts in 5-6 ms of input Iag. That wouId be amazing if they couId impIement a way to deactive smoothing in the software. Not sure if it's possibIe but I'II send an emaiI about it too.

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Re: Community mobilisation for Glorious Model 0 mouse!
« Reply #5 on: 10:02 AM - 09/10/19 »
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Not sure if it's possibIe but I'II send an emaiI about it too.

Great!
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Re: Community mobilisation for Glorious Model 0 mouse!
« Reply #6 on: 10:04 AM - 09/10/19 »
Would be quite the perfect mouse for the Xim, good size claw and palm, light as @#$%, high DPI and then this polling rate which is so important for the XIM.
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Re: Community mobilisation for Glorious Model 0 mouse!
« Reply #7 on: 11:10 AM - 09/10/19 »
It may be just a hardware limitation. Higher DPI at higher poll rates means greater bandwidth requirements which would drive cost up.
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Re: Community mobilisation for Glorious Model 0 mouse!
« Reply #8 on: 11:32 AM - 09/10/19 »
That would be bad news, I hope you are wrong. As XIM is a niche there is also no room for argumentation to make a higher priced 12K 1000hz product. PC gamers simply don't need 1000hz at 12K.  I said it a lot in the past, a special XIM-tech mouse for a special product would not be a bad idea. Not a question you would be capable of making one. One that would for sure also make an impact in PC industry. There isn't a Ximmer who would not buy a specialised XIM mouse at XIM Apex price. What is the Xim Apex price anyway?

Imagine how much money I would have spared for a mouse search for the Xim that is somehow acceptable.
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Re: Community mobilisation for Glorious Model 0 mouse!
« Reply #9 on: 11:39 AM - 09/10/19 »
Apex is 99$. XIM mouse for 99$, please take my money and let the mouse search end for once.
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Re: Community mobilisation for Glorious Model 0 mouse!
« Reply #10 on: 05:30 PM - 09/10/19 »
That sounds like a very daunting enterprise, create a mouse that fit all. The only goal of pushing a mouse in the market is quite expensive and difficult.

Smoothing is not stacking, is not that bad, that's a placebo stuff. Besides you are in a big input delay funnel (putting XIM a side, which is not that much) the very console limitation input lag hit you, more than smoothing does. And is not something they can disable via firmware is a hardware sensor limitation C Pate point that out once.

That's the thing with Pixart 33XX 12KDPI or above capable, all have some smoothing. 3360, 3389, only 3366 was clean (now obsolete), Go Hero sensor, that's the only smoothing free option in the market for 12K.

I said, move on... try another mouse if bothers you that much, I really doubt that 5ms delay can be human perceived on manipulation, and I worked with people with prosthetics. If you are hangover or have a bag headache your reflexes goes down... I you can feel it, but is about 800ms.

Anyway.

I'm glad on all these lightweight trend (Ventus was first hehehe I have to say it.) I'm waiting for Logitech response on this, I can see a lightweight about 60grs wireless Hero sensor baby in the making.
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Re: Community mobilisation for Glorious Model 0 mouse!
« Reply #11 on: 10:48 PM - 09/10/19 »
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I'm glad on all these lightweight trend (Ventus was first hehehe I have to say it.) I'm waiting for Logitech response on this, I can see a lightweight about 60grs wireless Hero sensor baby in the making.

Thatís the point! You are waiting for something that will never gonna happen, the perfect mouse for the XIM. Not talking about shape and weight. They all go towards 70g and are more ore less clones anyway. The perfect one will simply never come as the PC gamer don't need it. We all spent thousands of $ for mice and we still try the next one that might be a bit better.

Placebo? No, for sure not. You play games with surgical precision, nah I don't even need that precision operating. Your subcon feels something is off and it adds, screen mouse, your age, your hangover. The less in the addition the better and every ms counts to have a native feel, to have control. There might be console lag but the moment you realise your TV is not in gaming mode and it shapes off 50ms of lag you feel more in control. The few milliseconds from XIX4 to Apex they can be felt, good players asked for it, thatís why the Apex exists, high sens players look for less jitter at fine aim, every pixel jump is recognised and is annoying, Mist has to retrain Translators when people feel they changed something, time based acceleration is gone, whatever. The fubar ST Obsiv threw out by error, amazing feel was just an acceleleration just did just 100% fit the game by accident and cut through autoaim like non existent. STs are being optimised more and more by special settings to feel better.
Smoothing and Sensors on the market, I don't know about that. Normally a sensor is just a sensor and then comes a hardware and software that smooths or not. The Glorious 0 is quite proof of a stable hz up to 2000dpi, thatís not the sensor, thatís hardware around it.
The XIM just asks for a XIM mouse as they will never ever make it for PC. The other way round PC people would buy a XIM mouse with its extreme stable specs even if they don't need it, they buy 12000dpi already over 2000dpi.
Mouse that fit all? Not that hard. Make it 70g, 12k DPI, stable 1000hz up to 12K, take the clone shape all are using, make 2 versions in size small and big and one that is short and wide for high sens claw grip like the Logitech G9 was. Maybe wireless later. Obs can sell the wired mouse for 99$ easily and lower production cost by preorders. Advertise it with "The Mouse search is over".
I simply have to ask the question why we have the Apex at 1ms delay if there is no @#$% mouse supporting it and everyone should ask himself how many mice he bought for the XIM. I bought 20 at least since I have a XIM thatís about 1500$ so yeah I dont care what Obsiv price tags his XIM-mouse. It's overdue for a long time but with the Apex it's almost "where is that XIM mouse? Cant find it on the page, must be one there is no mouse that fits the Apex on the market".
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Re: Community mobilisation for Glorious Model 0 mouse!
« Reply #12 on: 11:09 PM - 09/10/19 »
On second thought the mouse could start like the XIM. Just the hardware on USB cable no expensive at first China molds to produce the plastic. The hull could be 3D printed by Obs or us users out there. Look at the Azeron, beats all left hand input devices out there. W11ce built a mouse from sensor and Teensy some years ago, wasnít worse than other mice back then. Problem is to acquire the sensor. They sell large quantities only to my knowledge. Could be "solder yourself" at first. Would love that actually as it would shorten the wait time for the final product that is over a year.
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Re: Community mobilisation for Glorious Model 0 mouse!
« Reply #13 on: 12:20 AM - 09/11/19 »
I just want a G502 that is less than 60 grams.... a man can dream...

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Re: Community mobilisation for Glorious Model 0 mouse!
« Reply #14 on: 01:25 AM - 09/11/19 »
ya and so it is with just every other mouse, lighter, more stable, higher dpi. I say it again only Obs can make the perfect XIM mouse that will please 90% of the ximmers. wasn't that bad before Apex but now its necessary imho.
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