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I can't downgrade as iOS user?
« on: 10:31 AM - 07/09/19 »
Hello guys,

I have the 20190702 but in Apex Legends idk why feels bad, i want to downgrade to 20190603 cause with that beta my aim feels much better, but I can't do it on my iPhone, I just doing via PC but it's awful because I can't change the config if I want to play another game...

You guys have the solution? Or I need to buy an android mobile :D?

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Re: I can't downgrade as iOS user?
« Reply #1 on: 11:27 AM - 07/09/19 »
You can revert to previous builds from the TestFlight app but it does not have 0603, only 0601, 0613, and 0702.

What beta were you on prior to 0702? I was on 0613 and everything was fine. I upgraded to 0702 and started experiencing major issues (though I donít think they were related to the beta) I downgraded to 0613 and the issue persists. Iím having issues with what feels like getting stuck on the AA bubble with no ability to track enemies or control recoil.  Iíve spent a lot of time in Koavaaks aim training and aim lab running flickshot and tracking exercises, along with the 3000+ games that I have played on Apex Legends. Iíve experienced AA issues in the past, this is not the same. Iíve also spent hours in the training range practicing recoil control with weapons like the havoc, spitfire, r301 and r99. I didnít just suddenly lose my muscle memory to control recoil.

Something is off with Apex Legends right now. For the life of me though, I canít figure it out. Iíve seen many say they are experiencing the same issue but Iíve seen others say they have not experienced any change. Iím not sure what the difference could be and why it wouldnít be a major issue for others, but the game is near unplayable for me right now.

Does anybody have any ideas with this? Iím currently running 200 SAB, steady aim 1.0 or 2.0 (donít remember which value I have on right now) and 200 boost, all of which on ADS only and the issue is still present! It is a tiny bit better but I have seriously lost confidence in my ability to win even a 1v1 gunfight because if the enemy moves or I get snapped to the outside of their hitbox I canít do anything, even when I am hitting them, the recoil is just unmanageable. For example, with the havoc I typically would just pull down on the mouse as it is mostly vertical recoil and if I use that weapon now, it just continues to climb as I fire, pulling down on the mouse seems to have no counter effect whatsoever.

Hereís my troubleshooting so far:
Iím using G Pro Wireless with a soft pad.

Started fresh with new ST on 0702 firmware - issue present
Reverted to firmware 0613 started with fresh config - issue present

The issue is not present in the training range

Tried advanced settings in game - minimal change

Switched back to default settings / disabled advanced look controls in game

Tried deadzone none in game, didnít like how floaty it felt, accuracy was worse, changed back to classic deadzone.

Also tried the Granular Quantization curve on vanilla ST, minimal change.

Ok so now we are back to the standard vanilla ST with 7,7 in game sens.


ADS only!
Increased boost 0 -> 80 minimal change
Increased boost 80 -> 200 minimal change
Increased steady 0 -> 1.0 minimal change
Increased SAB 0 -> 150 minimal change
Increased SAB 150 -> 200 minimal change.

So currently with 200 boost, 1.0 Steady Aim, and 200 SAB I am still experiencing this major issue. I donít know what else to do, I feel like anything further is going to severely impact 1:1 performance more than I already have. Iíve never had an issue like this with any other game.... AA issues yes, but being unable to counter the AA, along with recoil control disappearing? It is unplayable.

I hope someone can offer some insight here, it is driving me wild.


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Re: I can't downgrade as iOS user?
« Reply #2 on: 01:49 PM - 07/09/19 »
You can revert to previous builds from the TestFlight app but it does not have 0603, only 0601, 0613, and 0702.

What beta were you on prior to 0702? I was on 0613 and everything was fine. I upgraded to 0702 and started experiencing major issues (though I donít think they were related to the beta) I downgraded to 0613 and the issue persists. Iím having issues with what feels like getting stuck on the AA bubble with no ability to track enemies or control recoil.  Iíve spent a lot of time in Koavaaks aim training and aim lab running flickshot and tracking exercises, along with the 3000+ games that I have played on Apex Legends. Iíve experienced AA issues in the past, this is not the same. Iíve also spent hours in the training range practicing recoil control with weapons like the havoc, spitfire, r301 and r99. I didnít just suddenly lose my muscle memory to control recoil.

Something is off with Apex Legends right now. For the life of me though, I canít figure it out. Iíve seen many say they are experiencing the same issue but Iíve seen others say they have not experienced any change. Iím not sure what the difference could be and why it wouldnít be a major issue for others, but the game is near unplayable for me right now.

Does anybody have any ideas with this? Iím currently running 200 SAB, steady aim 1.0 or 2.0 (donít remember which value I have on right now) and 200 boost, all of which on ADS only and the issue is still present! It is a tiny bit better but I have seriously lost confidence in my ability to win even a 1v1 gunfight because if the enemy moves or I get snapped to the outside of their hitbox I canít do anything, even when I am hitting them, the recoil is just unmanageable. For example, with the havoc I typically would just pull down on the mouse as it is mostly vertical recoil and if I use that weapon now, it just continues to climb as I fire, pulling down on the mouse seems to have no counter effect whatsoever.

Hereís my troubleshooting so far:
Iím using G Pro Wireless with a soft pad.

Started fresh with new ST on 0702 firmware - issue present
Reverted to firmware 0613 started with fresh config - issue present

The issue is not present in the training range

Tried advanced settings in game - minimal change

Switched back to default settings / disabled advanced look controls in game

Tried deadzone none in game, didnít like how floaty it felt, accuracy was worse, changed back to classic deadzone.

Also tried the Granular Quantization curve on vanilla ST, minimal change.

Ok so now we are back to the standard vanilla ST with 7,7 in game sens.


ADS only!
Increased boost 0 -> 80 minimal change
Increased boost 80 -> 200 minimal change
Increased steady 0 -> 1.0 minimal change
Increased SAB 0 -> 150 minimal change
Increased SAB 150 -> 200 minimal change.

So currently with 200 boost, 1.0 Steady Aim, and 200 SAB I am still experiencing this major issue. I donít know what else to do, I feel like anything further is going to severely impact 1:1 performance more than I already have. Iíve never had an issue like this with any other game.... AA issues yes, but being unable to counter the AA, along with recoil control disappearing? It is unplayable.

I hope someone can offer some insight here, it is driving me wild.

Hi dude, how can I downgrade in TestFlight? I only see the last beta version.

I know your feelings, and that's why I'm getting back to 0603. For like one month I was like I don't hit the shots that I usually hit, but you know it's part of the game, but I saw many opinions telling the ADS in Apex Legends was awful since 0613 so I try to do the downgrade, but I can't in iOS.
I go to the PC and I put the 0603 and 0601 Firmware and oh boy, I'm back again, the ADS don't feel weird like this last month and I'm hitting as usual.
The problem is in PC it's a little uncomfortable because I can't change the config if I want to play another game. 

I don't like the feeling of have to much aa, but in Apex Legends imho the aa works well at your favour and I try to make a config that give a lot of ''good'' aa, try if you want.

7/6 sens

3200 DPI
500Hz

HIP                              ADS
17,50                           10
Common                     Common

Nothing more.

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Re: I can't downgrade as iOS user?
« Reply #3 on: 02:25 PM - 07/09/19 »
Open test flight
Load manager from there
Click previous builds at bottom
Select desired build

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Re: I can't downgrade as iOS user?
« Reply #4 on: 02:47 PM - 07/09/19 »
Open test flight
Load manager from there
Click previous builds at bottom
Select desired build

Iím sorry dude but I donít see the previous builds option anywhere, in TestFlight or in the XIM manager?

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Re: I can't downgrade as iOS user?
« Reply #5 on: 04:28 PM - 07/09/19 »
No worries man, here is some screenshots of what I am looking at



https://imgur.com/a/zNMAvVY

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Re: I can't downgrade as iOS user?
« Reply #6 on: 04:52 PM - 07/09/19 »
It sounds like game mechanics, not the XIM. There is no point comparing PC and console - PC versions always have less recoil, including controller input.

XIM has nothing to do with recoil nor aim assist, theyíre not factors in the creation of Smart Translators. They are game not look mechanics and can be managed to a small extent, but thatís by accident not design.

The vast majority of the work still needs to be done by manually adjusting aim. Apex complaints coincide with recent patches - if the look mechanics are the same, thereís nothing XIM can do to fix game mechanic changes. The best you can do is play around with advanced XIM settings, but one manís trash is anotherís treasure.
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Re: I can't downgrade as iOS user?
« Reply #7 on: 09:13 AM - 07/11/19 »
No worries man, here is some screenshots of what I am looking at



https://imgur.com/a/zNMAvVY

I see it now, ty bro!

It sounds like game mechanics, not the XIM. There is no point comparing PC and console - PC versions always have less recoil, including controller input.

XIM has nothing to do with recoil nor aim assist, theyíre not factors in the creation of Smart Translators. They are game not look mechanics and can be managed to a small extent, but thatís by accident not design.

The vast majority of the work still needs to be done by manually adjusting aim. Apex complaints coincide with recent patches - if the look mechanics are the same, thereís nothing XIM can do to fix game mechanic changes. The best you can do is play around with advanced XIM settings, but one manís trash is anotherís treasure.

I know this sounds dumb, but I tested, with the 0613 and 0702 the ADS feels horrible, idk why, at first I think was an update, maybe the aim mechanics changed, or I'm having bad days because I have this problem before season 2 arrives.
For like a month I just feel my aim lost it. I have a lot of problems tracking players, the crosshair goes left and right unpredictable. I try a lot of new configs, rebooting to firmware, making a config from zero, but the problem still there. I see people explain the same problems with the new updates, so I have an idea, I will try the 0603 again, cause in that version I don't have any problems, and will see, and just works, I have the same feeling from before, I recover my aim back.
Idk if this version has any tip of problems, or maybe it's just suggestion, but for the moment I will stay in 0603. 

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Re: I can't downgrade as iOS user?
« Reply #8 on: 10:36 AM - 07/12/19 »
D1sable just posted his updated settings, I've not got a chance to give them a shot, but I would recommend testing them out.

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Re: I can't downgrade as iOS user?
« Reply #9 on: 01:15 PM - 07/15/19 »
No worries man, here is some screenshots of what I am looking at



https://imgur.com/a/zNMAvVY

I see it now, ty bro!

It sounds like game mechanics, not the XIM. There is no point comparing PC and console - PC versions always have less recoil, including controller input.

XIM has nothing to do with recoil nor aim assist, theyíre not factors in the creation of Smart Translators. They are game not look mechanics and can be managed to a small extent, but thatís by accident not design.

The vast majority of the work still needs to be done by manually adjusting aim. Apex complaints coincide with recent patches - if the look mechanics are the same, thereís nothing XIM can do to fix game mechanic changes. The best you can do is play around with advanced XIM settings, but one manís trash is anotherís treasure.

I know this sounds dumb, but I tested, with the 0613 and 0702 the ADS feels horrible, idk why, at first I think was an update, maybe the aim mechanics changed, or I'm having bad days because I have this problem before season 2 arrives.
For like a month I just feel my aim lost it. I have a lot of problems tracking players, the crosshair goes left and right unpredictable. I try a lot of new configs, rebooting to firmware, making a config from zero, but the problem still there. I see people explain the same problems with the new updates, so I have an idea, I will try the 0603 again, cause in that version I don't have any problems, and will see, and just works, I have the same feeling from before, I recover my aim back.
Idk if this version has any tip of problems, or maybe it's just suggestion, but for the moment I will stay in 0603.

Guys, how do Revert back to 603, I am on 702 but not liking it. App is not a problem is more flushing to 603 as it wonít let me and donít want to loose all my config by resetting to factory. Also if I am running 702 and Iíll copy all the codes for my games and then factory reset to 603 am I going to be able to paste it?