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Not buying MW4 and quitting CoD unless
« on: 06:28 PM - 04/16/19 »
This movement meta is completely brought back to what it used to bad back in the older cods.

I don't want to see any sliding and ESPECIALLY cancel sliding. If you start sliding you should not be able to instantly stop and aim at the speed of light. Neither should you be able to instantly jump or any of that. I don't want characters to move as fast as they do in black ops 4. (black ops 4's movement system is completely broken btw. Characters move so fast and their feet don't match their speed at all - total embarrassment). I also don't want to see any unlimited sprint if all the maps are on the smaller side.

I thought about it earlier and realized that this movement meta that started with the jetpacks is one of the main reasons I've been hating on the series so much and barely playing it. All the tryhards - slide jump , sprint slide jump sprint. It is way too fast, unpredictable and the aim assist doesn't even follow it perfectly the way it should most of the times. I am absolutely sick of seeing people playing like this be on top - people who would smacked horribly in older cods where there wasn't so much emphasis on aggressive play and punishing people for not wanting to take part in that.

It's not even aggressive play though, it is bs play. All these mechanics are completely unrealistic and stupid. I shouldn't have a super fast reaction just to be able to compete with people moving as fast as they have been in the last few titles. How come I never had this problem back in the day ? LIKE NEVER. It was because people moved slower and the aim assist was better.


In other words, you know it's gone bad. if you're sitting somewhere aiming down your sight, you know someone is coming but you end up dying or almost dying because they slid around the corner, then jumped, and the aim assist barely even did a thing while theirs was keeping them locked on target the whole time. This is the definition of bias, unfairness, no logic and just the franchise going in the exact direction I despise.
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Re: Not buying MW4 and quitting CoD unless
« Reply #1 on: 06:41 PM - 04/16/19 »
And this movement thing is NOT skill by the way. All one has to do is watch a video on youtube how to do it, how to get the most momentum, highest jump etc. and have scuff controller, a keyboard or something like that and it's super easy.

The only people who play like this are noobs trying to mask the fact that they suck, taking advantage of the developers lack of logic and understanding of what makes a game great. A CIRCUS defiantly doesn't.

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Re: Not buying MW4 and quitting CoD unless
« Reply #2 on: 06:46 PM - 04/16/19 »
I would agree with everything you say, if everyone didn't have to play the same way. If you're getting outplayed it's as simple as that. Don't get me wrong, I've had plenty of games where I get wrecked and I've been playing video games for 30 years. These people are flat out just better than me. They don't have any advantage that I don't, so I really don't see what you're getting at?

I'm assuming you use the XIM Apex, so do you think using a Scuf gives an advantage over keyboard and mouse? Because it seems your main argument is movement in the game. And again...it sounds like you're just not doing it as well as the competition, because you absolutely have the ability to do what they do. This is the equivalent of an old-time football player complaining about the game today. It has changed. Either adapt, or move on.

And on the topic of realism, these are video games, remember? It's not a simulation. There is an attempt at realism, but that doesn't always make for a great game. My favorite game of all time is Borderlands 2 and that's about as unrealistic as it gets. Does that make it less fun? Quite the contrary.
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Re: Not buying MW4 and quitting CoD unless
« Reply #3 on: 07:18 PM - 04/16/19 »
You sound like a grumpy old man who likes to hide in corners.

I'm a grumpy old man too, but I still enjoy BO4 precisely because most kids are faster and more skilled than me. It helps me to pick up my own game to compete.

If you want boots on the ground and some degree of realism, it might be time to play Battlefield.

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Re: Not buying MW4 and quitting CoD unless
« Reply #4 on: 07:33 PM - 04/16/19 »
Because it seems your main argument is movement in the game. And again...it sounds like you're just not doing it as well as the competition, because you absolutely have the ability to do what they do.

My argument is that movement should NOT be as big a part to winning gunfights as it is right now. You can literally see someone and by the time you aim down your sight they would have slid in any direction and aimed down their sight and they kill you.

I can jump, slide and everything with ease, it's just that I don't believe these mechanics should give me a big advantage over the opponent. Remove cancel sliding and slide jumping and the problem is solved.

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Re: Not buying MW4 and quitting CoD unless
« Reply #5 on: 07:34 PM - 04/16/19 »
You sound like a grumpy old man who likes to hide in corners.

I'm a grumpy old man too, but I still enjoy BO4 precisely because most kids are faster and more skilled than me. It helps me to pick up my own game to compete.

If you want boots on the ground and some degree of realism, it might be time to play Battlefield.

The problem is that this is not what call of duty is. This movement meta only started after the exo suit cods and they have managed to keep it even with the boots on the ground games. Remove cancel sliding and slide jumping and the problem is easily solved.

Do you realize howoverpowered cancle sliding is ???? You can go from a standing position to a MOVING dropshot position in a few frames IN ANY DIRECTIOn and then cancel at any time and go from the moving dropshot position to a standing fully aimed down sight position in a few frames as well. If you think this is fear or balanced there is something wrong with you mentally.

And with how fast characters move in BO3 and BO4 this is completely unfair to anyone not doing it. As I said the game only rewards you for playing aggressively. And as I said earlier, I don't consider this agressive play, I consider this a circus and an embarrassment. It's annoying to do, it is annoying to see, and it is defiantly annoying to get killed by it even though you should have won the gunfight and you're oponent decided to do some weird completely unrealistic, super fast movement.
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Re: Not buying MW4 and quitting CoD unless
« Reply #6 on: 08:26 PM - 04/16/19 »
Because it seems your main argument is movement in the game. And again...it sounds like you're just not doing it as well as the competition, because you absolutely have the ability to do what they do.

My argument is that movement should NOT be as big a part to winning gunfights as it is right now. You can literally see someone and by the time you aim down your sight they would have slid in any direction and aimed down their sight and they kill you.

I can jump, slide and everything with ease, it's just that I don't believe these mechanics should give me a big advantage over the opponent. Remove cancel sliding and slide jumping and the problem is solved.

If you know these things happen, can't you anticipate them and work that strategy into your gameplay? Again..it just sounds like you're unwilling to adapt, and the most competitive players are always going to do things you won't like. The developer will not strip away elements of the game to cater to those who can't react fast enough. Sorry to be blunt, but that's what it is. You specifically mentioned that the older games were slower and had better aim assist. That's not what competitive gamers want, they usually prefer fast-paced action that's based purely on skill. And yes, cancel-sliding and slide-jumping is a skill.
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Re: Not buying MW4 and quitting CoD unless
« Reply #7 on: 08:30 PM - 04/16/19 »

I'm a grumpy old man too, but I still enjoy BO4 precisely because most kids are faster and more skilled than me. It helps me to pick up my own game to compete.


Agreed. I'm 35 and proudly sporting a K/D of 0.74 in BO4. Usually when I get killed it's a matter of poor strategy on my part and that's the thing I'm enjoying learning the most. I'm pretty terrible at these Battle Royale games and showed up late to the party, so each time I die it's a learning experience.
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Re: Not buying MW4 and quitting CoD unless
« Reply #8 on: 09:18 PM - 04/16/19 »
Aim Assist is overwhelmingly strong in BO4, but it's predominantly left-stick (WASD), which requires you to be moving for it to kick in. lolpop likes to be static in engagements, hence why his AA doesn't work.

I just turned 47 and I'm pushing towards 2KD in BO4. That's nothing compared to some guys around here, but it's OK for an old noob. Having never played any CoD MP before BO4, I got smacked to begin with, but have adapted to the faster pace of the game.

The biggest adjustment has been to not stray in one spot for too long - if you're ADS for more than a second, chances are you're getting bum-rushed from behind, so keep moving!

BO4 is slower and less vertical with a higher TTK than the last handful of CoD games, I can't see them dumbing it down any more to suit lolpop's playstyle.

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Re: Not buying MW4 and quitting CoD unless
« Reply #9 on: 03:57 AM - 04/17/19 »
I just want dolphin diving back  :(

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Re: Not buying MW4 and quitting CoD unless
« Reply #10 on: 04:23 AM - 04/17/19 »
I just want dolphin diving back  :(

I perfect example of something that I used to hate so much, until I started doing it myself.
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Re: Not buying MW4 and quitting CoD unless
« Reply #11 on: 04:42 AM - 04/17/19 »
Aim Assist is overwhelmingly strong in BO4, but it's predominantly left-stick (WASD), which requires you to be moving for it to kick in. lolpop likes to be static in engagements, hence why his AA doesn't work.
I mean there you go, this is what I'm talking about. It's all these stupid things combined.

The biggest adjustment has been to not stray in one spot for too long - if you're ADS for more than a second, chances are you're getting bum-rushed from behind, so keep moving!

I love rushing but I @#$% sure don't love it when the game encourages it and everyone is doing it, meanwhile the style that should be stronger - camping and defensive play is strongly nerfed. I see this more like a downgrade than something to adapt to. This is a military shooter after all lol

BO4 is slower and less vertical with a higher TTK than the last handful of CoD games, I can't see them dumbing it down any more to suit lolpop's playstyle.

Really ? Black Ops 4 was terrible the last time I played it. Team based was way too fast, way too much chaos, even in free for all I found myself shooting one guy and immediately getting killed from behind by a sweat with unlimited sprint jumping and sliding across the map. Black Ops 4 would only be playable with no specialists, (gear like acoustic censor allowed, as well as OP mods) , no cancel sliding, no slide jumping, no unlimited sprint. This is literally the only thing that could make this feel more like a cod game.

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Re: Not buying MW4 and quitting CoD unless
« Reply #12 on: 11:15 AM - 04/17/19 »
Imho bo4 is the slowest cod of all time. There isn't any other cod that punishes rushing so hard like bo4. When you rush around a corner and see 2 enemies in front of you, then there's already a 50 / 50 chance that you die, no matter how good you react, how good you aim, even slide-jump-shooting around a corner means nothing.
Reaction time is so unimportant in bo4 campared to previous titles, especially bo3.

The only good thing I found enjoyable in bo4 was "sniping" people with a shotgun ;D
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Besides that the game always rewards the person who keeps waiting behind a headglitch etc.
Map design is extremly boring and predictable, the most effective playstyle in bo4 is when you play defensive, always stand near cover and once you're getting shot you usually have all the time in the world to get behind that cover and heal yourself. The pace of the game is already very slow.

I hope bo4 was the first and last cod with extended health and manual healing. Those "placebo skill mechanics" inhibit the game flow and lower the actual skill gap.

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Re: Not buying MW4 and quitting CoD unless
« Reply #13 on: 12:01 PM - 04/17/19 »
Yea I mostly played FFA so most of the engagements were 1v1. It absolutely sucked when had a few good players and a few noobs. The second you kill 1 noob the sweat will get to you in 2 seconds while you're healing or reloading and shoot you down. This is why one of my rules is NOT to play if there is more than 1 good player in the lobby (other than myself) but in BO4 they took away leaderboards + the way the matchmaking works it kept putting in the same lobby over and over regardless of how many times I quit.

I think it was exatly the matchmaking that made me uninstall at the end. Every lobby I joined it was nothing but people who had prestiged and prestige master and the few times there were noobs they were on my team (when playing any team based mode) where I end up getting destroyed by streaks later on in the game with everyone on my team going negative. And then when you try to leave and find new a game, it puts you in the same one over and over lol

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Re: Not buying MW4 and quitting CoD unless
« Reply #14 on: 03:57 PM - 04/17/19 »
Another atrocious thing in bo4 are the gunfight and weapon mechanics. I don't mean the wishy washy, destructive aa bubbles (you can't really blame game devs for optimizing a game for controllers) I mean all the no recoil guns, especially the lmgs.

What's worse than that, and this is one the main problems in that garbage game, is the insane hip fire accuracy.
You can run around with weapons like Auger, Rampart, Titan, Vkm - weapons that should be bad for cqc - and once you see an enemy in front of you in the range of 1m - 3m you can just spray n' pray the sh(%t out of him. From the first bullet on, all your shots are going to connect, even if you're under fire. The hipfire accuracy is beyond broken.

If you tried this in Bo3 with an ar or lmg, you would have missed 29 from 30 shots.

So they increased the ttk, which technically increases the skillgap, but in return they made the weapons incredible ez to use and added an aimbot for everyone.

Basically it doesn't matter if you're playing against "pros" or bots, every player only needs to press L2 + R2 and boom he lasers you with a 100% precision. Lame ^^
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