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Offline AMG

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Do what ever works for you.

XB1 setup sounds very messy (cable wise) but I can deal with that.

I have to say this, it seems to me that due this echo issue, you really have listening your Arc sounding for long because that sound quality is what you are paying for, mic is optional. I mean once you hear it and make your ears used to it... you will most definitely never go back to a lower quality audio like mixamp or any wireless solution

If your headphones are leaking (echo) regardless the arc, then you should change the headphones not the DAC, is like changing a car due a flat tire. Tried closed back, or you can (as a test) cover (cardboard+tape) the back of your headphones to see if the leaks comes from it.

But again, is all valid if is not practical for you (cable mess can be nerve wrecking)

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I've been following this thread with interest ever since the headphone reviews started making an appearance last autumn. I was especially interested in how well you all found them for audio cues: I tend to play first person shooters (especially CoD) so I want to make the most of the positional audio in game.

I've had a pair of Audio Technica ATH-AD700s since forever (and I bought them second-hand) and they're still going strong. They're good for hearing footsteps, shots and relative distance, but I sometimes struggle to work out how far away those sounds are or pinpoint them with confidence, so I was curious to see whether either the Sennheiser GSP 600s or the Audio Technica ATH-ADG1Xs had improved on my 10 year old headset (discontinued years ago). In the interest of science, I bought both to test.

So first off, I'm not an audiophile. I know the difference between a good pair of cans and a bad, but as long as they sound good, I'm happy. The really important thing to me, is how good is the positional audio and, as I game for hours at a time, are they comfy?

I tested all the sets (including my AD700s as the base) by playing CoD Infinite Warfare on the PS4 Pro and listening to FrekeOne's Quick test You can do, The Virtual Barber Shop, SOZO 3D's Adding 3D sounds to a mono film and HiHACKER's ULTIMATE HEADPHONE TEST !!! on PC.
Audio was piped through my SoundBlaster  X7 with SBX on. I played CoD using Od1nís custom Call of Duty settings and the rest with the <Rock> preset.

The whole process took about five hours.

My conclusion, the ADG1Xs are better that my current headset for positional audio, the GSP 600s are not, but all three are great headsets.

The ATH-700s are pretty light and comfy but the lavender-coloured mesh does not look cool. The cable is long but sends noise to the speakers when rubbed. It also likes to twist itself into a pretty spiral when you turn your back. The 3D wings are an acquired taste: I like them, but some don't. The earpads are super comfortable.
Sound is rich and balanced, but with only a little bass. They produce a very natural sound (although I can only hear up to 15000Hz so there may well be higher pitched noises that I just canít hear). The soundstage is wide (open-backs) creating immersion and depth. Footsteps are easy to hear, distance is easy to work out, direction and specific angle from the player are sometimes difficult to determine.

The GSP 600s are relatively heavy and clamp your head more firmly than the ATs, even with the adjusters fully down. Theyíre not uncomfortable but they certainly feel more substantial than the other two. They look pretty Ďgamyí and I donít like the silver-grey plastic bits, but at least the red accents arenít too in-your-face. The braided cable is fantastic. It never twists and feels really light. No noise when brushed and itís removable so you can replace it if itís damaged. 
Sound is rich with quite a bit of reverb in the lower end. It makes explosions and gunshots more punchy. IMO, Sennheiser have created a Ďgamerí character to the headset that, whilst not garish, is a touch too cinematic for me. They are closed-back headphones though, so the soundstage is reduced. Footsteps are easy to hear but their direction and distance are sometimes challenging to pinpoint.

The ADG1Xs are light and are even more comfortable than the 700s. The earpads are outstanding, but of course, they are new. The 3D wings are still present, but they feel lighter than the ones on my own headset. Looks as though the design has been tweaked slightly. The black and grey colour is very unobtrusive. The cable was wound circularly in the packaging, and even after several hours of use, hasnít yet unwound properly.
Sound is similar to the AD700s, but Ďbrighterí, distinct without an increase in the treble. Thereís noticeably more clarity between noises which makes it easier to separate individual sound cues. The bass is about the same as the 700s and so they also sound very natural. The soundstage is nice and wide but the direction of footsteps and gunshots is much easier to pinpoint than either of the other two. Each of the three headsets was good at picking up subtle or quiet noises, but the G1Xs have the edge.

Bottom line is, the GSP600s are going back to Amazon and the AD700s are going on eBay. Iím keeping the Audio Technica ATH-ADG1Xs.
« Last Edit: 05:39 PM - 11/24/20 by ceebs »

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If your headphones are leaking (echo) regardless the arc, then you should change the headphones not the DAC, is like changing a car due a flat tire.

I agree, it sounds extreme to sell the new setup. It was my impression that Remix was using the ARC fine on PC and PS4 and this issue was isolated to the cabling mess on Xbox which I still believe creates the grounding issue and echo.

I got the rest of my gear last night and spent a while trying to route all the new wires cleanly behind my desk. For this reason alone, I wish I would have just got the ARC instead of Schiit Magni and Modi, but I saved a bit of money.


I used my latest diagram (below) for connecting the headset and modmic. I chatted with a friend for an hour and didn't have any feedback or echo issues.

 

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Bottom line is, the GSP600s are going back to Amazon and the AD700s are going on eBay. Iím keeping the Audio Technica ATH-ADG1Xs.

Great review Ceebs, just wish you would have shared before I jumped on the AD700X's :( I would have instead got the AD900X's which are the same/similar to the ADG1X.

I don't notice any speaker noise when I move the cable, but maybe the 700X is different from your 10 year old 700s. My only real complaint is I feel the AD700X's are a bit too weak to require more than a Mixamp and I'm missing part of what I paid for with my new setup. I plan to stick with them for now, but my next jump will likely be to swap these out for Sennheiser HD6XX/HD650s. These currently don't appear on Amazon as far as I can tell, but if you get a chance to review those it would be good to know how they compare to ADG1X.

HD 6XX: https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-sennheiser-hd6xx

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Thanks Himpy. Sorry I didn't review them earlier. ;)

Audio Technica make great open-back headphones. You won't go wrong with the 700xs.

I'm hoping that the ADG1Xs will last me for many years, so I won't be reviewing any other headsets any time soon. In any case, I wouldn't be looking to get the HD650s my self. A friend of mine has them, and although they sound great and are excellent for music, they lack a little treble which you need for good positional audio. Great cans (if not a little bit old and still expensive) but I think the ATs are better for FPSs.

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Interesting, I was sold on the 650's, but there is another thread asking about using modmic with the Hifiman HE4XX headset. Did a little more research and for price it seemed like it was worth diving into those instead.

I hope this impulsive search for the best mid-range setup doesn't spiral into me buying $500 headphones... at least not until next year  :P

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ceebs, just the other day I was trying to remember which of my headphones made a noise when the cable scraped my clothes ... and yep it was the AD700's  :)

Had the ADG1x's but sound was faulty and I had to return them .... as for that friggin cable, mine came with the section between the mute switch and the jackplug in a coil that wouldn't straighten ( like a curly cable )

Great sounding cans and I would like to have kept them if they were working without sound cut outs.

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ceebs, just the other day I was trying to remember which of my headphones made a noise when the cable scraped my clothes ... and yep it was the AD700's  :)

Had the ADG1x's but sound was faulty and I had to return them .... as for that friggin cable, mine came with the section between the mute switch and the jackplug in a coil that wouldn't straighten ( like a curly cable )

Great sounding cans and I would like to have kept them if they were working without sound cut outs.
Looks like you were unlucky, but seriously, you'ld a thought that they could sort out a better spec cable after all these years...

Where's HL3?

XIM Apex, PS4 Pro, 1TB Crucial MX500, XSX, Allreli T9+, Swiftpoint Z, Aorus AMP500, Audio Technica ADG1X, SB X7, LG 27UD58.

MSI Z97i Gaming AC, Core i5 4690k, Corsair H100i, RTX 2070, 16GB Corsair Vengence DDR3, XFX ProSeries 750w, 3xAerocool Dead Silence, Cooltek W1, 2x500GB Samsung Evo SSDs, 1TB Crucial MX500 SSD, 1TB WD HDD, Silverstone SST slot-load DVD, KustomPC braided cables. And if you've read this far, you too are a genuine geek, my friend!

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ceebs, just the other day I was trying to remember which of my headphones made a noise when the cable scraped my clothes ... and yep it was the AD700's  :)

Had the ADG1x's but sound was faulty and I had to return them .... as for that friggin cable, mine came with the section between the mute switch and the jackplug in a coil that wouldn't straighten ( like a curly cable )

Great sounding cans and I would like to have kept them if they were working without sound cut outs.
Looks like you were unlucky, but seriously, you'ld a thought that they could sort out a better spec cable after all these years...

With the ADG1X's  I plugged them into my phone and hung the headphones on a door overnight and the weight of the phone helped a bit to straighten the curl out .... This was after I discovered the sound cut out lol, so that didn't cause it.

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Good advice. I'll give it a try.

Where's HL3?

XIM Apex, PS4 Pro, 1TB Crucial MX500, XSX, Allreli T9+, Swiftpoint Z, Aorus AMP500, Audio Technica ADG1X, SB X7, LG 27UD58.

MSI Z97i Gaming AC, Core i5 4690k, Corsair H100i, RTX 2070, 16GB Corsair Vengence DDR3, XFX ProSeries 750w, 3xAerocool Dead Silence, Cooltek W1, 2x500GB Samsung Evo SSDs, 1TB Crucial MX500 SSD, 1TB WD HDD, Silverstone SST slot-load DVD, KustomPC braided cables. And if you've read this far, you too are a genuine geek, my friend!

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Found a way to make the Mayflower work with Xbox chat. Less cables and adapters and most of all no echo. What did I do?

Well....

1. Added a DSS2 ( or mixamp ) via optical from the Xbox.
2. Headphone out from DSS2 to PC line in.
3. Installed voicemeter banana and added the line in to one of the channels.
4. Mic into the ARC and configured into one of the channels in voicemeter banana.
5. Headphone to ARC obviously.
6. Xbox companion app to use for party chat ( mic from voicemeter banana as the input source ).
 Works great. Clean sound and clear chat. GAME audio from the Xbox into the PC, out from the ARC via VB.

Great thing about this I can can control game and chat volume independently from VB. Think I'm gonna stick with this method for now but I'm just happy that I can finally take advantage of the ARC.


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AKG K712pro headphones are on Amazon UK for £185, bought a pair yesterday to see if all the stuff I'd read about those earpads was true or hype, and   ...  I've just found my new gaming headphones  ;D

These cans are REALLY comfortable ... plus the sound is amazing !!
I got them purely for gaming, but after listening to some music tracks I'm really impressed with the sound.



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Just wanted to leave a little update. I was out of town for work last week so I haven't had much dirt time on either headset.

I picked up the Hifiman HE-4XX and am really impressed, these are almost the complete opposite spectrum of the AD700X headset.

Sound:
I personally like the HE-4XX sound more than the AD700X even without amplification. I enjoy bass even if it distracts me from footsteps in games as it also makes music more enjoyable. Sound stage is reduced as a result, but even with the bass, there is an incredible amount of added detail over regular headphones or speakers.

Weight:
The HE-4XX is noticeably heavier, yet not uncomfortable. As a result, the headphones feel a bit more robust than the AD700X.

Surrounding Noise
Even though the 4XX is open-backed, it doesn't leak much sound to the atmosphere. This same isolation dampens outside noises which can be a problem as I find myself talking much louder when chatting in game. To me it sounds no different than closed back Turtle Beach headsets. However, if you mute them the open back difference is noticeable, you can hold a normal conversation without taking them off.

Cabling:
The 5 foot (1.5m) cable is a bit too short for my liking and a bit of a surprise since the Audio Technicas had such a long cable. However, since the cabling is detachable, I can always swap it out for a longer cable. If I was driving this from a Mixamp, the shorter cable length would work very well as it matches the length of my mic.

Comfort:
The AD700X wins, I'm a huge fan of the wing support. The 4XX isn't uncomfortable, but my ears get hot and it messes up my hair like traditional headphones. It seems to me these were designed with movement in mind, you could be jogging with these on and they wouldn't budge, but that's not really ideal for sitting at desk for hours.

Overall:
I'm going to say the HE-4XX is the better value even though it is about $20 more. I mostly play Halo and the footsteps are prominent enough that both headsets do the job well. I was amazed when I got the AD700X, but most of that was due to the incredible sound stage. You lose part of that with these, but you get noticeably more bass which I find more enjoyable. I'm beginning to understand why people own different headsets, I'm keeping both at least until I find a bargain on the ADG1X/AD900X.

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Must admit to being thankful of finding this thread.  Have been through a few headphone setups lately, mainly connected to a Creative G6 and PS4 Pro. Fidelio X2, Sennheiser HD660 and Game One to name three!  Was about to settle on using my HD6xx with a ModMic Uni but then decided to spend more time on Xbox and with the complex chat setup with the G6, decided to the latest Mixamp which I appreciated wouldn't sound as good but would be convenient for chat.

My 6xx need a decent amp/dac to sound their best and didn't sound anywhere near as good via the Mixamp as they did on the G6 so went in search of a convenient easy to drive set up.

Had a set of ADG1X before which I sold but after reading the positive comments on here went and found a set on Amazon for £107!!  Turned up yesterday and instantly they are perfect for me.  Sound so much more natural than the Game One and driven easily by the Mixamp or even the controller. Mic is decent too. Even the cable has gone straight (ish) by having the extension connected.

These will be my gaming goto for sure with the HD6xx left for music only now.

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Which one is better to do buy a amplifier for my headphones  or buy SBX G6?
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