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Re: *NEW* Astro A40/A50 TR + MixAmp - Best EQ Presets
« Reply #90 on: 06:07 PM - 08/23/19 »
Hehehe, don't worry.

Man, I wish I can wrote a review about the ARC.

I guess you figured out already. Yes I'm not using the ARC with Astro MixAmp. ARC is a DAC Amp clean studio analyzer quality, with no equalizer and very powerfull to feed professional headphones.

But, you can use and Amp so MixAmp can be used with Audiophile headphones, is just a different arrangement.

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Re: *NEW* Astro A40/A50 TR + MixAmp - Best EQ Presets
« Reply #91 on: 06:21 PM - 08/23/19 »
Hehehe, don't worry.

Man, I wish I can wrote a review about the ARC.

I guess you figured out already. Yes I'm not using the ARC with Astro MixAmp. ARC is a DAC Amp clean studio analyzer quality, with no equalizer and very powerfull to feed professional headphones.

But, you can use and Amp so MixAmp can be used with Audiophile headphones, is just a different arrangement.

i got a magni 2 a few years ago.. is there a difference besides the headphone jack on the arc? lol

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Re: *NEW* Astro A40/A50 TR + MixAmp - Best EQ Presets
« Reply #92 on: 05:15 AM - 08/24/19 »
Hehehe, don't worry.

Man, I wish I can wrote a review about the ARC.

I guess you figured out already. Yes I'm not using the ARC with Astro MixAmp. ARC is a DAC Amp clean studio analyzer quality, with no equalizer and very powerfull to feed professional headphones.

But, you can use and Amp so MixAmp can be used with Audiophile headphones, is just a different arrangement.


The AMP worth 250$ ?
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Re: *NEW* Astro A40/A50 TR + MixAmp - Best EQ Presets
« Reply #93 on: 07:56 AM - 08/24/19 »
Can't think of anything around this price range that's better and has PS4 compatibility.

@alan  You try the bass boost setting yet with some open back headphones?  Wondering how it performs.

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« Reply #94 on: 09:09 AM - 08/24/19 »
Can't think of anything around this price range that's better and has PS4 compatibility.

@alan  You try the bass boost setting yet with some open back headphones?  Wondering how it performs.

Can you pls say me differences between astro mixamp and that one ?
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Re: *NEW* Astro A40/A50 TR + MixAmp - Best EQ Presets
« Reply #95 on: 10:42 AM - 08/24/19 »
Can you pls say me differences between astro mixamp and that one ?

Astro Mixamp is low impedance which means it powers headphones up to 32 ohms.   This will limit your options if you're looking to buy a high quality pair of headphones.

Some of these go up to 600ohms which the Mayflower Arc could still power on it's high-gain setting.
If you're looking at brands like  Beyerdynamic, Audio Technica, Hifiman , Sennheisers ... Most of   those headphones will sound really quiet and unnatural when combined with an astro mixamp.

So if you're looking into a high end pair of headphones this is a great dac/amp to combine them with.


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Re: *NEW* Astro A40/A50 TR + MixAmp - Best EQ Presets
« Reply #96 on: 05:49 PM - 08/24/19 »
@alan  You try the bass boost setting yet with some open back headphones?  Wondering how it performs.
Is pretty precise, not overdone and quite speedy.

I tried on the ATH-ADG1X (~ATH-AD900X) and Sennheiser HD660S, which I modded with a foam over the cups to get a better bass sounding. I liked more with the bass boost -no foam-. Very fun listening experience.

Also I tried on two closed back: the GSP-600 waaay too much for GSP-600 and turn the HD280 Pro, which went from a boring analytical to "by Dre" sounding experience.

GSP-600 drivers are very tricky ones, it says only 28 Ohms to drive it, but it does sounds a lot better with an amplifier, more tight, better separation and sound imaging of course all on Low gain. I got distortion with High gain. No doubt Sennheiser made that headset to pair it with GSX-1000 unit, but works well with Astro MixAmp, specially with a tuned EQ preset, plus you have fiber optic source and chat mix. GSX-1000 is not compatible with consoles.

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Re: *NEW* Astro A40/A50 TR + MixAmp - Best EQ Presets
« Reply #97 on: 06:44 PM - 08/24/19 »
i got a magni 2 a few years ago.. is there a difference besides the headphone jack on the arc? lol
Comparing with other amps I tried:
I had the OG-O2 (handmade) and Fx-Audio dac-x6. The Mayflower Arc is very clean powerful amp, more powerful than the Fx-Audio, and zero noise floor vs O2. Definitely not a Objective 2 ODAC stuff, next level.

Quoting my friend first impression:
Quote from: audio engineer
Blows my mind man!, HOW?, how that small simple metal box thingy sounds as clean as my friking Marantz HD-DAC1 ($800 usd) huh?! I just can't believe you can paid a 3rd for a "gaming amp" that performs at this level cap, insane!, and it has a mic input... -which I don't care at all-, but that's unprecedented!.
So, is it any good? - I ask
Totally!, I want one! - He replies

The AMP worth 250$ ?
Absolutely, every penny, but you have to use audiophile grade headphones to really experience its potential.

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Re: *NEW* Astro A40/A50 TR + MixAmp - Best EQ Presets
« Reply #98 on: 07:44 PM - 08/24/19 »
i got a magni 2 a few years ago.. is there a difference besides the headphone jack on the arc? lol
Comparing with other amps I tried:
I had the OG-O2 (handmade) and Fx-Audio dac-x6. The Mayflower Arc is very clean powerful amp, more powerful than the Fx-Audio, and zero noise floor vs O2. Definitely not a Objective 2 ODAC stuff, next level.

Quoting my friend first impression:
Quote from: audio engineer
Blows my mind man!, HOW?, how that small simple metal box thingy sounds as clean as my friking Marantz HD-DAC1 ($800 usd) huh?! I just can't believe you can paid a 3rd for a "gaming amp" that performs at this level cap, insane!, and it has a mic input... -which I don't care at all-, but that's unprecedented!.
So, is it any good? - I ask
Totally!, I want one! - He replies

The AMP worth 250$ ?
Absolutely, every penny, but you have to use audiophile grade headphones to really experience its potential.

With a complete headset ( mixamp , studio headphone , mic ) I feel a big difference in gaming expenrience ? Also in competitive game I can have an improvement from an headset like Astro a50 ?
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Re: *NEW* Astro A40/A50 TR + MixAmp - Best EQ Presets
« Reply #99 on: 09:11 PM - 08/24/19 »
i dont think id see a diff going from the magni / astro to the arc tho... magni and astro are prob bout the same thing lol i have akg q701's and mmx300's

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Re: *NEW* Astro A40/A50 TR + MixAmp - Best EQ Presets
« Reply #100 on: 10:51 PM - 08/24/19 »
I will try to make it short and concise.

First: AVOID: Astro MixAmp A50 or any Wireless Gaming Headphone for that matter, they have latency is a very closed limited setup, mic will always sound bad due have to share the wireless band.

What is a DAC, stands for Digital to Analog Converter, is the sound card what creates 0101010 in to analog signal (sound waves) so we can hear it. All our audio devices has DACs: phones, portable music players, tablets, consoles our MixAmp is a DAC a very unique one.


About Astro MixAmp + A40 TR Headset Combos (Wired).
The Astro A40 headsets, have poor sounding performance is very mediocre. Astro MixAmp makes them sound better due Equalization: (Astro Presets: Astro, Balanced, Natural Bass, Tournament) aka "Coloration".
This also means that this coloration might don't go well for a different pair of headphones/headsets and you need to make adjustments.

Pairing Astro MixAmp with a better quality gaming headset
This will give you better results out of the box, and without invest something extra. GSP-600 goes pretty well or any headset/headphone with low impedance, below 60 Ω .

There is something better than a quality gaming headset? - Yes a professional audiophile grade headphone, which are infact more afforable than most expensive gaming headsets and with better sound performance, but you need power.

Impedance? and why is important.
Lame terms: Is the Energy a headphone needs to deliver better audio levels better audio experience. There is two types of Headphones low impedance and high impedance. Low impedance works well with portables devices like phones, tablets and players. High impedance are headphones with superior audio capabilities , bigger dynamic range (you can hear more sound cues) but requires more power to deliver, the power that comes from your controller is not enough, or from a usb card. They need and amplifier.

Astro MixAmp + Audiophile Headphone (with an external amp) will be better?
Yes, absolutely.

Audio and Competitive Gaming (Footsteps)
Fact: we react much faster to sound vs visual, that's why is so important.

On the gaming sound spectrum we have:
Bass = punch, rumble, explosions.
Mid-tones = gunshots, footsteps, in-game callouts.
Treble = Adds sparkle, some footsteps, reload sounds, some ambiance like rain.

Our headphones by itself, had its own sound signature... it can be bassy, or too bright (very high treble), or too focused on vocals (midrange).

So we want to hear those footsteps, with Astro MixAmp we can "alter" artificially how our headphones sounds to bring up and highlight the foosteps (midrange and some treble). And that's why we have those EQ presets like Omnivox and Tournament or Potara Super Gamer, those are heavly middle treble, or any other DAC that has a gaming set it will kill the bass and bring up mid and treble.

However, this artificial manipulation ruins sound positioning, separation (is coming from left or right, is an enemy) so it works but is not optimal.

Also Equalization has its limits, you just can't make a headphone/set sound like a studio headphone, which can pick up more sound cues, and with better precision and dynamic range.

7.1 Surround vs Stereo for Competitive Gaming.
Surround headphones are great for campaign immersive experience, but not as effective than Stereo. For competitive you need to have separation, distinguish if the sounds comes from the left or right, center. Surround doesn't give you precise positioning. With Surround everything sounds like you are in a hall (reverb) and sounds cues coming from the walls, with stereo you hear where they are coming from. So even pair of earbuds are better than a surround cans?


There is, Shroud like most competitive players, you can see he is using stereo earbuds under what it seems is the sponsor gaming headset.

So, I don't need Surround to ping point my enemies?, what really!?.
Let's put then nail on the coffin, get a pair of regular headphones, earbuds and watch this video:
Virtual Barber Shop is a 12 years old demo, that shows how our brain is powerful enough to create a 3D positional environment with only two speakers.

All games are tuned like that, audio game engineers put a lot of time and effort to make you hear the game. Most 3rd party Surround stuff forces this tonalities, in the same way when you see a Movie with 3D glasses when the movie wasn't film on True 3D cameras.

What you need is a pair of high fidelity headphones wide dynamic range, where every tones: bass, mids, trebles are distinguishable, present, where the sounds goes from your left hear to you right hear (separation imaging) harmoniously and you can position yourself and your surroundings better (sound stage)

OK Stereo is better for Competitive
And Astro MixAmp can help me to bring up mids and treble artificially for footsteps. Is anything better than this... yes.

You need a DAC that is not colored (neutral, clean, no equalization) with a high-end headphones which its sound signature bring up the mids and treble, like Bayer Dynamics DT990(great treble), HD600, HD650(nice mids and trebles),  HD660S (great mids, clear treble)

So you need a DAC (produce sound) without EQ and you need an Amplifier to power those high-end headphones, and it will be nice to have an mic input.

Behold: Mayflower Arc.
You want the best equipment to hear footsteps and sound cues?, get a great professional headset with obscene good treble and mids, this DAC/AMP will have the enough energy (Ohms) to power up, and because is clean, not artificial (No EQ) you don't loose other sound tones, sound cues will be more clear natural sounding (too much treble can destroy your ears) and the sound imaging and positioning will be superior than any EQ can bring you, because you are not tampering the headphones sound signature. You are hearing the game how the audio engineers created and bring up naturally the tones you care of.

So, yeah that was a lot but believe me I did my best to summarize it for you.
« Last Edit: 10:02 AM - 08/25/19 by alanmcgregor »

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Re: *NEW* Astro A40/A50 TR + MixAmp - Best EQ Presets
« Reply #101 on: 11:14 PM - 08/24/19 »
How can I use an Amplifier with my MixAmp?


Optional Clean Amplifiers (about $100usd):
  • Objective 2
  • Liquid Spark

Astro MixAmp vs ARC
Astro MixAmp is not clean, doesn't have the power to drive higher Hi-Fi stereo headphones. When you are using an external amp, you can make it work but due "double amp effect", sound can came up compress or not as pure, harmonic distortion can occur.

Mayflower ARC is clean, stereo, no coloration, game will sound how the audio engineers design it on the recording studio. This device has plenty power for any Hi-Fi Stereo Headphones and a headphone jack to plug your external mic.

What you have to aim for is: clean powerful audio source and colored with the headphones natural signature.

So my Astro MixAmp is not worth it?
Sound purists will say it, but they are not gamers and they don't know our needs. MixAmp is great device, it give us digital audio input (SPDIF - Optical) on our consoles, and the possibility of Mix two Audio sources (Game audio, and Chat) with a knob, only complex huge studio mixers does that, and also give us a parametric Equalizer.

And that's the goal of this thread, to give you the best Equalizer presets so you can get the most of your MixAmp, either EQ presets that works with most headsets (Zalias) or the ones that are specially equalizer for specific headphones by experts (Emperor Potara).

However, I hope all this essay show you that there is a better way to improve and enjoy your gaming experience and audio is very neglected, yet quite important.

Do you want to know more about Audio, and evolve?
Watch:
GameFidelity:: A Guide to Gamer Audio Gear [Z Reviews] - Be patient, he rambles a lot but is pretty good info.

Gaming Audio Myths: Avoid The BS & Save Your Audio Life

Gaming Headsets Suck - Make Your Own For $50 or Less

Gaming Headsets Suck: $150 Replacement Guide

About Mayflower ARC:
Z Review - Mayflower ARC (Release Night Special)

Mayflower Electronics ARC AMP/DAC
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Re: *NEW* Astro A40/A50 TR + MixAmp - Best EQ Presets
« Reply #102 on: 01:56 AM - 09/05/19 »
Hi,
i just got the new Astro 40 tr Gen 4 + Mix Amp. i tried to download some EQ Settings but the file is wrong. All the EQ files end on .astroeq what i need for the new Mixamp is .agp.

Is there something i do wrong or did they change the filename?
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« Reply #103 on: 10:12 AM - 09/05/19 »
Yeah even though the Equalizer haven't change at all, seems the modify something on the files header making it incompatible.

Currently most EQ are shared in a picture or text, showing you the settings on the parametric Equalizer (Advanced options), so you have to recreated.

Emperor Potara does it, Zalias I don't think he does it.

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Re: *NEW* Astro A40/A50 TR + MixAmp - Best EQ Presets
« Reply #104 on: 10:57 AM - 09/05/19 »
Yeah even though the Equalizer haven't change at all, seems the modify something on the files header making it incompatible.

Currently most EQ are shared in a picture or text, showing you the settings on the parametric Equalizer (Advanced options), so you have to recreated.

Emperor Potara does it, Zalias I don't think he does it.


Alan, thanks for your input on the forum. How do I turn down the Mixamp Gen4 chat volume?