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Offline randomusername_LOL938338

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Currently using my xim apex on a TV and a cheap keyboard but focused priority on the mouse which is a Logitech G502 mouse, just wondering if I bought these whether I would notice a difference?

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Re: Does a monitor/mechanical keyboard make a difference?
« Reply #1 on: 05:15 PM - 04/14/19 »
Display lag will make a difference, but not as much as you think because Vsync will still add something like 100ms lag on console.

A good monitor will have at least 8ms of display lag (never believe 1ms G2G numbers), a good HDTV will have 12ms of display lag. As long as you have less than 16.66ms of display lag, that equates to 1 frame at 60FPS, which is as fast as a console will render graphics, you're good to go.

Mech vs membrane keyboards are harder to quantify. Actuation times for mech switches should be marginally lower, but unless you're playing Starcraft professionally and your fingers are all over the kb, it really doesn't matter.

Switch type boils down to preference - do you want noisy keys (mech) or mushy keys (membrane)? Mech keyboards can be pretty quiet and they feel nicer than membrane, but some brands are ridiculously overpriced (Razer and Corsair).
« Last Edit: 05:51 PM - 04/14/19 by antithesis »
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Re: Does a monitor/mechanical keyboard make a difference?
« Reply #2 on: 05:50 PM - 04/14/19 »
A good 3D positional sound (headset) makes a whole more difference than a keyboard or low input lag monitor, the very reason of that is because human brain reacts way faster to sound than visuals.

So, if you haven't think about it... I will say, this came first.
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Re: Does a monitor/mechanical keyboard make a difference?
« Reply #3 on: 07:03 PM - 04/14/19 »
Currently using my xim apex on a TV and a cheap keyboard but focused priority on the mouse which is a Logitech G502 mouse, just wondering if I bought these whether I would notice a difference?
The difference between a gaming monitor and tv are like night and day. As far as the keyboard goes nah. I use a cheap t9 keyboard when I choose to keyboard. But, I don't think I will be keyboarding anymore. I'm venturing further into the analog side of things and liking the results. But, who knows.

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Re: Does a monitor/mechanical keyboard make a difference?
« Reply #4 on: 07:17 PM - 04/14/19 »
I switch between a 24 inch 1080p BenQ and a 27 inch 4k LG. The former to sweat and the latter for the visuals. The difference in performance is night and day. I laser anything including Wraiths from a distance on my BenQ. The LG is nothing but overshooting and awful tracking. Try using the Wingman. Impossible. Won 8 out of 9 games on my BenQ yesterday. Want to upgrade to 144hz but I'll wait for the new consoles I guess.

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Re: Does a monitor/mechanical keyboard make a difference?
« Reply #5 on: 07:30 PM - 04/14/19 »
I switch between a 24 inch 1080p BenQ and a 27 inch 4k LG. The former to sweat and the latter for the visuals. The difference in performance is night and day. I laser anything including Wraiths from a distance on my BenQ. The LG is nothing but overshooting and awful tracking. Try using the Wingman. Impossible. Won 8 out of 9 games on my BenQ yesterday. Want to upgrade to 144hz but I'll wait for the new consoles I guess.
Yea, I upgraded to a Ben Q with 1ms response time. I used to use a 1080 p 42 inch LCD tv. I couldn't make it around corners without getting shot on ps3. I told myself that I wouldn't deal with it in ps4. So as soon as the ps4 came out I made sure to switch. Now things are as you stated. I demolish every target within 1ms of spotting them. I've seen where enemies would run right up to me without seeing me at all. And when I blast them they start shooting approximately 2 seconds after I've already let off half a clip lol. And I think to myself "yep, that used to be me."

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Re: Does a monitor/mechanical keyboard make a difference?
« Reply #6 on: 04:39 AM - 04/15/19 »
1ms is the grey-to-grey pixel response rate, that's not the same thing as input lag. It's the time a pixel changes from one shade of grey to another, which affects ghosting and blurring.

The fastest gaming screen has 8ms of input lag. Most of the best PC monitors are around 11-14ms, the same speed as the fastest HDTVs.

https://displaylag.com/display-database/
https://www.pcmag.com/roundup/295881/the-best-gaming-monitors

There's so much BS hyperbole around screens, don't believe it. You can get a 66" 4K HDTV that's every bit as fast as a 24" PC screen.

https://displaylag.com/best-low-input-lag-tvs-gaming-by-gamers/ - (LG UK6570 @ 11ms)

Furthermore, the fastest a console game will render a frame is 16.66 ms. Stack on Vsync, input lag, internet lag and reaction times and we are all much slower than we think -

https://displaylag.com/console-latency-exploring-video-game-input-lag/
https://displaylag.com/video-game-input-lag-database/
https://www.lifewire.com/lag-on-computer-networks-and-online-817370
https://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/statistics
http://www.scifun.ed.ac.uk/pages/exhibits/ex-reaction-timer.html

In short, the fastest human beings on the planet will take roughly 1/4th of a second to react in a console video game.

A couple of ms between one screen brand and another, or one screen size and another makes exactly zero difference for console gaming, as long as the screen is capable of 16.66 ms (60FPS) input lag or less.

We will definitely notice the difference between say a 12ms PC screen and a 70ms TV, but not if a PC and TV screen are both capable of rendering within the same 16.66ms frame.
« Last Edit: 06:06 AM - 04/15/19 by antithesis »
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Re: Does a monitor/mechanical keyboard make a difference?
« Reply #7 on: 06:35 AM - 04/15/19 »
1ms is the grey-to-grey pixel response rate, that's not the same thing as input lag. It's the time a pixel changes from one shade of grey to another, which affects ghosting and blurring.

The fastest gaming screen has 8ms of input lag. Most of the best PC monitors are around 11-14ms, the same speed as the fastest HDTVs.

https://displaylag.com/display-database/
https://www.pcmag.com/roundup/295881/the-best-gaming-monitors

There's so much BS hyperbole around screens, don't believe it. You can get a 66" 4K HDTV that's every bit as fast as a 24" PC screen.

https://displaylag.com/best-low-input-lag-tvs-gaming-by-gamers/ - (LG UK6570 @ 11ms)

Furthermore, the fastest a console game will render a frame is 16.66 ms. Stack on Vsync, input lag, internet lag and reaction times and we are all much slower than we think -

https://displaylag.com/console-latency-exploring-video-game-input-lag/
https://displaylag.com/video-game-input-lag-database/
https://www.lifewire.com/lag-on-computer-networks-and-online-817370
https://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/statistics
http://www.scifun.ed.ac.uk/pages/exhibits/ex-reaction-timer.html

In short, the fastest human beings on the planet will take roughly 1/4th of a second to react in a console video game.

A couple of ms between one screen brand and another, or one screen size and another makes exactly zero difference for console gaming, as long as the screen is capable of 16.66 ms (60FPS) input lag or less.

We will definitely notice the difference between say a 12ms PC screen and a 70ms TV, but not if a PC and TV screen are both capable of rendering within the same 16.66ms frame.

I agree wholeheartedly with this post. I will add that I prefer a 24" monitor over a larger HDTV for one reason. The amount of time it takes me to scan the screen. This is anecdotally observed, but I feel less eye fatigue over long gaming sessions, while using a monitor. I also feel as though checking the radar or mini-map and returning to scan the screen is a much smoother and faster process. Just my personal observations though ;).
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Re: Does a monitor/mechanical keyboard make a difference?
« Reply #8 on: 04:21 PM - 04/15/19 »
I agree wholeheartedly with this post. I will add that I prefer a 24" monitor over a larger HDTV for one reason. The amount of time it takes me to scan the screen.
That is 100% why pro gamers use 24" screens. The entire screen fits within your field of vision, so there's less scanning required compared to a larger screen.

I use a 32" screen (old eyes) but I'm also a good 80-100cm from it, so I can see most of what's going on. But there is a physical lag looking from one corner of the screen to the other that takes less time on a smaller screen.
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