Overwatch / xim 4 vs Apex / Obsiv?

[Kik]

Hey all,

I am sure a lot of people will hate me for writing this post but anyway I will give my comments after more than 6 months playing overwatch with apex...

1. All settings are working and that’s why so many people get different settings. All sync feel more or less the same (floaty or less floaty let’s say)
2. In game settings impact on the way apex is working but really difficult to find the perfect one.
3. Using curve doesn’t affect much the AA management but only turn speed.
4. Using default sync with 125hz to get the same as xim 4 is not true or at least not working. Using the stair stepping curve is not giving the same feeling as well.
4.1 we do not have SA3 with apex which match perfectly on xim 4
4.2 we do not have boost which allow to compensate
4.3 using stair stepping curve means we cannot use RML curve
4.4 we cannot use generic alpha to be on linear due to the fact we can’t use stair stepping curve and RML curve.
5. Apex is inconsistent in term of performances. Settings are fine for one day and then completely crap (don’t argue with good or bad days / latency/ setup used and so on thanks)
6. Many people tried apex on overwatch and went back to xim 4
7. Xim 4 is way more expensive than apex on eBay or those kind of website (believe me there is a reason for that!)
8. No complaint on this forum regarding xim 4 users on overwatch VS apex where most people are struggling
9. Recent post from Kuy saying he is back to xim 4... but he is not the only one!

So the question now is: can we have an update??? Can we be considered? Can we get the same chances as the xim 4 users? (Easy tracking, easy aiming, easy climb? Enjoying game again?

Last but not the least can we have real clue from the mods in order to get the best potential on apex? Sorry to say but we are not expert and we did not created this tool so you have the best qualification to understand the differences and create a similar experience as xim 4 for Apex! BECAUSE THE DIFFERENCE IS REAL!

Save your hate and do not tell me go on xim 4 if you enjoy it so much...

Cheers!

[antithesis]

Hold tight Kik, OBsIV is aware of your concerns.

[Kik]

Thanks Antithesis! Glad to know he is aware and hope some changes will happen soon... really soon...

[Gaben22]

Kind of glad I've seen this post! I'm new to Apex, but have about 2000 hrs on Overwatch so getting the Apex was soooooo exciting for this game alone, many others I use it for though.
I definitely do see an improvement in my aiming skills with the Apex, but I've been playing around with different curves, htz, dpi, anything that's recommended All I seem to really notice is the sensitivity differences in which I change them to what I am most comfortable with and in the end feel pretty much the same as all previous.
Now like I said before, the Apex DOES help my aiming quite a bit, but alot of people act like the Xim will make a "snap on to target" "stick like glue" and other feelings other than sensitivity.? I do not see or feel these exaggerated symptoms people speak of. So is it that the Xim4 does have a better system for Overwatch?
Now keep in mind I am still very new to the Xim Apex, but I feel this way about every game I've set up. Maybe I've been lucky with my 1st ST settings attempt on other games and "do better" so just keep it that way, but Overwatch is one I'd like to find perfect settings (IMO) for me.
Now please don't take this as a "hate Xim" post either cause in the little time I've had the Apex I've been blown away by the mods, creators, and everyone in the community how active and involved (daily) everyone is, and I lurk these post every night before sleep. In all, I'm more than happy just with the improvements in my aim and overly grateful for the community and all they do, just very confused about some possibly over exaggerated claims... Am I missing small feelings with each different config.?

[ƑȒƐƐĿǾ]

@Gaben “snap on target” “stick like glue” those are exaggerations you still have to be good/have good aim to take advantage of XIM, it’s not an aim bot and it won’t turn you into an OWL Pro

[ƑȒƐƐĿǾ]

Easy tracking, easy aiming, easy climb?

If that’s what you were expecting when you bought XIM then you are mistaken. XIM will not turn you into a Pro player, it will not just instantly make you a GM or top 500. You still have to be skilled at the game to take advantage of it.

[N1TRO]

I will say after thousands of hours using xim4 and now xim apex basically exclusively for overwatch. The game on pc vs xim is simply incomparible. On pc micromovements are slow and controlled and you feel no acceleration even with xim apex and its improvements movements in overwatch feel very accelerated and a bit floaty.

The main reason i think xim4 is prefered is that it was relatively easy to find the optimal setting and the setting always felt consistant. This did not mean felt good thats for sure the movements were floaty and inputs felt very delayed. What i mean is that a dpi of 3200 and a sense of up to 20 on xim was the maximum you could go without it feeling absoloutly trash in terms of mouse movements so this was the acceptable range (at least for me) and there were far fewer options so people had less to change in search of better settings . There is also the fact that aim assist was smotheringly strong on xim4 which made precise headahots harder and very irritating but was a great noob tool as body shots and tracking were easy even if your aim was @#$%.

Now for apex. I feel some days i will play and litterally feel like the device has changed all my settings and that the settings that were great for me yesterday are now unplayable. This is extremely frustrating of an occurance in itself but the major problem i find is that on pc you can over the course of a few days get used to your sensitivity and know what you are capable of and therefore you feel a degree of comfort from your consistancy. The same feeling was obtained with xim4 after a much longer period of playtime. You had to get used to the turn speed limit, the floaty mouse feeling and the aim assist settings you chose but after that you began to feel like you were improving with those settings and you were getting bwtter. Naturally the improvement and consistsncy reached is of a lesser nature than pc as aim assist contributes to inconaistancy, xim4 had mad input delay and was overall a bit crap in terms of mouse movenets.

I can honestly say after months of using the same settings with xim apex on overwatch i feel absoutely zero improvement in my gameplay and it feels like a luck of the draw every time i come on to play overwatch. This is not only my feelings a lot of top 500 players i know also feel this way. One notable example is an american guy i started talking to who came from pc. This guy was a gm pc widowmaker using a sense of 1600dpi and 3 or 28.86cm/360. He asked me for help on setting the xim up as he was having a little trouble and i told him to update to the latest firmware and what all the various features do and how they impact in game feel. I also calculated the same sense he uses on pc for him based off of my own equipment so it will not be 100% accurate but extremely close.

This players experience so far has been as follows:

Started with 1600dpi common sync 500hz

Went to 3200dpi on my recomendation

Got frustrated at slow in game movements and poor consistancy

Went through a million different settings including default with 15 amoothing

Has now massively increased his sensitivity which i may do as well simply for the speed advantage you gain as perfect precision is simply not a thing with xim on overwatch anyway

After a month or so experience without any comments from me said and i quote " settings feel good for around a week, then they feel like trash again" and also said he thinks higher sense is better because aims not great anyway and with aim assist you can get away with a higher sense so you have faster reactions and even though you have much more inconsistant aim, aim assist makes up for it to a degree.

My overall thoughts are:
Xim apex is a massive upgrade in terms of mouse movements and input delay. The mouse movements feel 4x as good as xim4 at the least and in most games leads to a miles better experience like cod, battlefield and many others but in overwatch something just doesnt feel right movements are almost slimy and instead of having the pc slow controlled movements at the start then when making larger movements you gain velocity you feel almost like your always on an accelerated curve gradually gaining momentum and you never feel that crisp pixel by pixel movement or sudden quick movement then stop sensation. I am aware than blizzard did a horrible job with overwatchs mechanics in terms of movement and aim assist but the game really does provide an experience with xim 20x worse than any other reputable shooter. Even borderlands a open world non true fps has a better feeling raw aim even with the random acceleration at the top end of the turn cap. I honestly look through all new youtube videos and new posts here and on redit just hoping to see a miracle post or some form of update for the game or new xim feature . Trying to play overwatch competitively with xim apex and trying to improve is downright depressing as you go around in endless circles. One day i can outwidow the best widow on the eu servers next i cant hit easy bodyshots and the same goes for other high rank xim users you would expect a certain level of consistancy from to retain their rank. This is not the case you feel useless you switch to a smurf or get off entirely you feel good you make the most out of it. It simply is not fun.

[Gaben22]

@Gaben “snap on target” “stick like glue” those are exaggerations you still have to be good/have good aim to take advantage of XIM, it’s not an aim bot and it won’t turn you into an OWL Pro

If you've read my post you'll see I did say it has helped improve my aim. What these quote insinuate is that there is a greater aim assistance (AA) "Aim bot like if you will" just because they use the xim...  The confusion was why use these exaggerations (like you yourself called them) in a config. Post instead of just saying AA is still present or more of a 1to1 feel..
I'm not asking to be or go pro but when I switch from one config. to another and all I really notice is AA present or not as much also the change in sensitivity I wonder how can these claims be made?.

[Kik]

Thanks Matty ! I am happy someone with many hours on OW share the same feelings.
I cannot be more agree with your last sentence: “it’s simply not fun”. I loved this game but now I start to hate this game^^ it is definitely not consistent and I have the feeling to be on an endless settings quest... spending my time saying wow I finally found it! This is perfect I won’t change anything and 1 day later... what’s going on?? I can’t hit anything!! I will try adding smoothing and lower my dpi... wow amazing!!! Must be the perfect settings! One day later ... what’s going on I am crap...

And for people who are going to judge this post... I am exaggerating of course but I am sure many people will understand what I mean.

To answer Freelo... I am not looking for an aimbot ! The only thing I am saying is that xim 4 get a better AA management (combo with boost and SA3) which make them more consistent and they can stick to one setting and improve over time.

[N1TRO]

Yep the wait for console overwatch to improve their aim mechanics continues meanwhile we just have to deal with the irritating issues.

[Kik]

This is not coming from OW. Just take your controler and play a bit with it. You will see the aim technique is ok compare to apex.

[N1TRO]

it actually is. obviously xim apex is not perfect and there are many things that could be improved but the aim mechanics suck for controller as well. you just notice the issues less since you are using a less precise device and the aim assist works better with controllers as thats what it was designed for. the xim bashing that seems to take place is unwarranted as some things are completely out of their control however i would not say no to some improvements however small.

[Taktikz]

it actually is. obviously xim apex is not perfect and there are many things that could be improved but the aim mechanics suck for controller as well. you just notice the issues less since you are using a less precise device and the aim assist works better with controllers as thats what it was designed for. the xim bashing that seems to take place is unwarranted as some things are completely out of their control however i would not say no to some improvements however small.

Nitro, I sent you a message on PS Msnger mate, we badly need you for our league game Friday, we're a few players short and we're playing 1st in the league.. (we're 2nd by 4 points but have 2 games in hand)

[N1TRO]

sorry man my internet has been down for the last 5 days i litterally just got it back after spending a tone on mobile data (yay). if you need me i should be free il let you know if anything comes up.

[N1TRO]

also anti can you elaborate more about your previous comment regarding obsiv is aware of players concerns or at this point are you also in the dark. i love xim as a product and what it allows us to do its just really unfortunate that my favourite game is overwatch and the experience happens to suck @#$% :/