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Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2  (Read 4276 times)

Offline singlecoilpickup

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How do you have this much time to complain about a game?
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Once again- with so many long lines of sight, it invites ppl to just camp with LMGS

Nope. Camping in this game is sure death. It's too fast paced for campers to have any sustained success.


You cant rush ppl, you cant be sneaky with a silenced weapon, unless you kill somebody from behind, you will be shown on the enemy Radar even if you use a silenced AR and kill an enemy.

This is just flat out false, and not even an opinion. Suppressed weapons, as always, do not show up on the mini-map / radar. The entire game is built around rushing, hence the higher TTK and 50% faster movement speed.




Again with such small maps and rather fast pace, it doesnt really make sense to move in this game. Unless you move from one power spot to the next, where you can pick off ppl from distance.


So do the maps have long lines of sight, or are they too small? Make up your mind. The only small maps are the old maps like Firing Range and Summit. The newer maps are fine. You're just used to posting up with your XIM and controlling spawns. They've changed the spawn logic, and while it's broken on many maps, it also forces you to use specialist abilities to control the map (Torque, Seraph, etc).

All of your complaining just makes me think you aren't very good at the game, and you don't even know what you want out of COD. One minute you're saying it's too big and slow. Then the next you're saying it's too small and fast.


The game has it's share of problems... and you've failed to touch on any of them.

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It's been confirmed  on YouTube

Bo4 MP and blackout servers are running at 20hz

But both the beta's were running at 60hz

Cool now I know why I played so  well on the beta and now im just trash on the full game with all the @#$% gun fights I get into

That's not why. The refresh rate of a server doesn't really matter that much as far as who has an advantage in a gun fight. All games had sub 30hz refresh rate last gen and you didn't start seeing ridiculous lag comp until 2010.

If a game is 20hz or 60hz everyone is playing at the same refresh rate so no one has an inherent advantage or disadvantage. However, lag compensation treats every connection differently. This is why you could have played a 60hz server on a game like Hardline and still gotten BS moments where the guy seems to have come out of the future and killed you faster than was possible in that situation.

Personally, the first five days of BO4 played better for me than the beta. It was a hotfix after the latest patch that made the netcode quality take a dive. Which is fine as now I'm playing with my compromised connection and doing well.

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Xim made me a God at Infinite Warfare, and now it's doing the same thing on Black Ops 4. Stop crying and get better at COD.

Sorry but I find these remarks kinda annoying.  You are using a device that gives you a clear advantage over controller players and yet you're telling others to get better at CoD?  Play on PC where there is no aim assist and the playing field is equal for all.  Then see how god like you are.  Most here dominate with the Xim4 just like you do (including the guys complaining).  It's a whole different ball game when everybody is using kb/m tho. Trust me my numbers are very different from PC to PS4.....lol.

If you disagree with their perspective of the game, that's absolutely cool.  Debate away.  Just be humble and leave the "get better bruh" comments away please.
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Just because youre getting wrecked on multiplayer doesn't make it a terrible game.  Sure the game has some head glitching spots, but what game doesnt? Killing the guy running around with the shield isnt that hard, his feet are exposed so a few shots to his feet and he is dead. Do i rage at the game sometimes? Yes. Do i call @#$% on some shots? Yes. Its all part of the game. You just have to keep playing and adjust ur playing style to what fits you and makes you better. As for me, i have been enjoying the game immensely. 

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It's been confirmed  on YouTube

Bo4 MP and blackout servers are running at 20hz

But both the beta's were running at 60hz

Cool now I know why I played so  well on the beta and now im just trash on the full game with all the @#$% gun fights I get into

That's not why. The refresh rate of a server doesn't really matter that much as far as who has an advantage in a gun fight. All games had sub 30hz refresh rate last gen and you didn't start seeing ridiculous lag comp until 2010.

If a game is 20hz or 60hz everyone is playing at the same refresh rate so no one has an inherent advantage or disadvantage. However, lag compensation treats every connection differently. This is why you could have played a 60hz server on a game like Hardline and still gotten BS moments where the guy seems to have come out of the future and killed you faster than was possible in that situation.

Personally, the first five days of BO4 played better for me than the beta. It was a hotfix after the latest patch that made the netcode quality take a dive. Which is fine as now I'm playing with my compromised connection and doing well.

Haha nice I'll setup my phone with a wifi hotspot and play like 😁

I took my ps4 copy back and bought it on PC forgot how good Pc feels. Least now I'm not raging, I can handle dying to other good pc players lol.



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@#$%... this is one of the very best multiplayer games Ive played in a long time.  Blackout is outstanding(4 wins), Multiplayer is fast/frantic with all kinds of different ways to play, and Zombies is outstanding fun co-op.

You literally have a little something for everyone.  It looks outstanding in 4k(dynamic) with HDR on a 65 inch TCL. 

Of course the game just released a week ago so there will be some ironing out some bugs and networking but to say this game is garbage/boring/no strategy, will I respect your opinion, sounds more of someone struggling/frustrated.

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@rain1dog- I mean I will be honest and say that the game is not really as bad as ww2 or IW, I can say that with confidence now, given that I went back to ww2 and played for a few rounds and I literally wanted to puke in rl after it. Especially if you play on maps like Toy Soldiers, Shippment 1943, USS Texas, Gustavs cannon, actually if you play on like 75% of all ww2 maps.

Sorry but I find these remarks kinda annoying.  You are using a device that gives you a clear advantage over controller players and yet you're telling others to get better at CoD?  Play on PC where there is no aim assist and the playing field is equal for all.  Then see how god like you are.  Most here dominate with the Xim4 just like you do (including the guys complaining).  It's a whole different ball game when everybody is using kb/m tho. Trust me my numbers are very different from PC to PS4.....lol.

If you disagree with their perspective of the game, that's absolutely cool.  Debate away.  Just be humble and leave the "get better bruh" comments away please.

Yeah I wholeheartedly agree here mate. This is a common mistake and flawed logic ppl tend to use on internet, when someone claims he doesnt like a particular game. I dont even get mad at ppl here assuming that whoever tends to dislike the game, must suck at it and whatnot. I mean these seem to be some new users around here who dont know who theyre discussing with, mostly fps vets and cod vets. But again, since I know better- Id rather correct them politely, much like you did.

I did play some more yesterday and it seems like they toned down the SBMM algorithm a little bit for my account. Before that I was matched vs 4/5 man parties playing solo myself, facing mostly tryhards who jumpshot in every fight, which usually means that theyre using scuff controllers or xim. Now yes it is possible to use the claw grip and jumpshot alot, but then youre not gonna be as precise as with scuf or xim.

And since those ppl in 4/5 man parties who tryhard usually like to camp in ADS behind headgltiches for killstreaks, it is not surprising that most lobbies were rly toxic experience with every moron camping aiming down sights wherever you go. I might upload a clip or two later showing what type of parties I was matched against.

Additionally it seems like with the yesterdays hotfix, theyve improved something in both netcode and engine. Before the fix, I literally had input lag of like 50-60ms in the game, even when moving the crosshair. Now when I move the crosshair its instant. I also didnt get that massive lag compensation penalty from Hell after yesterdays hotfix, although the connection quality was still wonky.

Anyways, my previous oppinion about the small maps with bad game flow still stands (and all the gimmicky/overpowered gadgets, specials etc). However due to the reasons mentioned above, the experience has changed after the last 1-2 hotfixes to the slightly more positive one. Until further notice, <- and this is a very important remark, until further notice I would say that bo4 is not as bad as IW or WW2 and if youre not playing against a party of 4-5 tryhard-ADS-camping nerds, the game is "playable".

I will give credit where credit is due, since Im a cod fan from early days. I do actually play the game, sometimes extensively, so it is not in my interest for the game to suck, just so that I can hate on it. If something changes to the better, I will give developers credit for that and vice versa.

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I mean in this game I went 35-10 and out of those 10 deaths, Id say around 70-80% were due to BS, like lag compensation or BS gimmicks- i. e. the Dog and so on. And even 1 kill trade with primary weapons, which is again- unacceptable in cod.

https://youtu.be/sCAo5crKzFs



Thats why its a bit frustrating at times. Not only do I get matched vs 4/5-man parties of tryharding nerds on regular (which is quite a challenge in itself), I additionally have to fight through the lag and all that mess... Its not the worst lag example though, it does get worse..
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I mean in this game I went 35-10 and out of those 10 deaths, Id say around 70-80% were due to BS, like lag compensation or BS gimmicks- i. e. the Dog and so on. And even 1 kill trade with primary weapons, which is again- unacceptable in cod.

https://youtu.be/sCAo5crKzFs



Thats why its a bit frustrating at times. Not only do I get matched vs 4/5-man parties of tryharding nerds on regular (which is quite a challenge in itself), I additionally have to fight through the lag and all that mess... Its not the worst lag example though, it does get worse..

Love your game.play!!

I just been playing free for all now because I keep running into 4 - 5 man parties as well,  I'm mainly a solo player guess I need some friends LOL

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@Jamesbone- thanks my dude.

Just because youre getting wrecked on multiplayer doesn't make it a terrible game.

Of course the game just released a week ago so there will be some ironing out some bugs and networking but to say this game is garbage/boring/no strategy, will I respect your opinion, sounds more of someone struggling/frustrated.

#1- I rarely get "wrecked", meaning completely annihilated. Usually I wreck nerds.

#2- frustrated- maybe sometimes because of the insane ammount of gimmicks and BS that kills you. Struggling- not so much.


Heres a FFA game, 1st one I played on that day. In the first game in that video I was kind of confused by the footstep sounds beeing weird, the position didnt match where the players actually were. Acoustic sensor also showed some weird stuff that kinda didnt match the position of other players. Anyways- we had a couple of jumpshotting tryhard nerds in the game. One left after losing like 3rd gun encouter vs me in a row. The other nerd ended up winning the FFA game. Long story short- in the next FFA match I took this nerds weapon (silenced Vepr) and owned him with his own weapon, basically showing him who was the boss in that particular lobby. I dont care about tryharding nerds with their scuffs/xims and whatnot. I can play that game too (putting tryhard pants on), and then they better be rly focused and drink alot of Gfuel to be able to hang in there on the #1 position in the lobby.



Heres another example of some tryhard guy who had some serious connection advantages and used some sort of small op SMG with like 25 attachments. First TDM game he was in my team and we stomped the other team. Next game he was in other team and kept sweating, I still won even with bad teammates and severe connection disadvantages.



So I hope these clowns in the thread will stop assuming "Just because youre getting wrecked on multiplayer doesn't make it a terrible game."

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And even 1 kill trade with primary weapons, which is again- unacceptable in cod.

Totally acceptable, it should even be the norm. In fact they should open up the time frame in which it's possible.

Also, you want to talk about BS, go back and play the old ones. The non-stop flash banging and grenade spam, 3 kill undestuctable UAV spam, Airstrike Spam, Helo spam, GL spam, easy quickscoping, Martydom, Last stand (the BS kind of kill trading) and much much more.

Devs have to make the game as enjoyable as possible for everyone of all skill ranges not just for you personally. Black Ops 4, for the most part, manages to do that and cater to a wide variety of play styles while keeping the BS in check as much as they can without making the game completely one note and bland (ie. WWII).

What's happening is that you're probably just tired of these games. You're tired of the core gameplay and you don't want to put in the effort of learning the changes but you don't yet realize that it's not the game, that it's you. That's probably why RML moved on, despite praising Black Ops 4 recently he just went away possibly because of that realization. I'm starting to have the same creeping epiphany as, even though objectively I think BO4 is great, at third prestige I think I've had my fill.

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The way you describe it seems like ppl make their decisions in life based on if they had enough of COD or not? I dunno about that though..

Other than that- I do mix things up with some sessions of Dota now and then. Recently even warcraft 3 which is a real time stategy game (RTS) where the community mod Dota originally came from. Im thinking about buying WW3 early access too. So COD is not the only game to enjoy.

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Despite some of the early issues, it's still the 2nd best COD ever made (bo2 is first). If they fix the few glaring issues, it will easily surpass bo2.

They upgraded servers to 30hz today, and will continue to monitor stability. Expect 40hz next week. 60hz is the goal, but it's a step by step process. They dont want to crash the servers.

Now they need to address the spawn logic,  and we'll be on to something good

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The way you describe it seems like ppl make their decisions in life based on if they had enough of COD or not? I dunno about that though..


Are you saying xim isn't life? Putting xim away and leaving the community behind is tantamount to suicide and you suggesting otherwise is deplorable.