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BO4 - advice for nubcakes
« on: 08:12 PM - 10/15/18 »
I am not ashamed to admit that I am complete nubcake when it comes to CoD MP  :-\

The only release this generation I haven't dismissed as complete garbage within a few minutes is BO3, so I bought BO4 on release...a first for me for CoD games, I usually wait for them to hit the bargain bin.

Shooting is fine, positioning will develop with map knowledge, but I am clueless about MP classes, perks and weapons.

I'm after some advice for recommended classes, loadouts, perks, wildcards, attachments etc to fast-track my progress. I'm thinking SMG and/or AR is a solid starting point while I level up.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Please don't post Xim settings, there are tonnes of threads covering that already.

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Re: BO4 - advice for nubcakes
« Reply #1 on: 08:52 PM - 10/15/18 »
Who better to take advice from than someone who makes a livving from covering this game on YouTube and Streaming on Twitch. You'll learn something from each of his vids.

You can start here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LUSbX2ruDg

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Re: BO4 - advice for nubcakes
« Reply #2 on: 09:28 PM - 10/15/18 »
ICR and Vapr are best guns in the game atm so just use those. You honestly can’t do bad with them

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Re: BO4 - advice for nubcakes
« Reply #3 on: 09:47 PM - 10/15/18 »
I'm obsessed with Treyarch COD's and maintain pages of notes and spreadsheets analysing things like time to kill, bullet drop off ranges, recoil patterns, sprint out times etc. I sit there for hours analysing and thinking, play testing...haha! Anyway let me impart on you my thoughts:

1) People are calling it a more tactical COD, and it is, but don't confuse this with playing slow. You still need to play as aggressively as ever. I made the mistake of playing this like Rainbow Six Siege during the beta and couldn't figure out why I wasn't able to do well until I stopped and returned to my old way of playing COD.

2) SMG's - everyone will recommend the MX9, because it's a good all rounder. My personal favourite is the GKS because it's a laser beam and can compete with AR's in terms of range, so it's like the best of both worlds. I'm always a big fan of SMG's that bridge the gap between SMG and AR, this is basically the equivalent of the Razorback from BO3. But be warned - while the MX9 works perfectly fine in its default state, the GKS only comes alive once you unlock the Long Barrel 2 attachment so some grinding will be needed.

3) For assault rifles, everyone is waxing poetic about the ICR. It has its virtues, but because it doesn't have a lot of power you need to make sure all your shots hit. Because of this, I recommend the Rampart, which is unlocked at level 10. It's by far the most powerful AR in the game and hits like a truck so even if you miss a few shots it doesn't matter, and believe it or not the High Caliber 2 attachments makes every shot above the chest a headshot...seriously.

4) People will talk about the virutes of body armour and STIM - but these have been nerfed massively since beta so if you see anyone recommending this, it's generally old advice. STIM is still good though, but not a crutch.

5) Perks - Gung Ho is REALLY powerful, especially if you're using rushing / hip firing weapons like SMG's. It massively reduces the sprint out times. It's easy to test - while sprinting, press the Shoot button (without ADS'ing). Watch how quickly you break out of a sprint! It's the only perk in the game I consider a borderline crutch for certain guns / play styles.

6) Make generous use of the slide mechanic. Black Ops 3 was all about jumping, this game is all about sliding.

7) Every gun in the game comes with one less mag than previous COD's. In the past you'd have to run Scavenger to avoid constantly running out of bullets...but there's a Specialist that has a free "Scavenger", his name is Crash. It saves you a perk slot!
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Re: BO4 - advice for nubcakes
« Reply #4 on: 11:40 PM - 10/15/18 »
Thanks piiwii, much appreciated!

I've hit level 10 and unlocked the Rampart, but the recoil is dooky. I'll stick with the ICR until I'm more familiar with the game mechanics as ICR is noob-friendly. Any recommendations for Optics, or is it user preference?

Another couple of levels and I'll unlock the GKS, thanks for the recommendation. Not a huge fan of the MX9, I find myself stuck just outside its range more often than not.

I've stuck with Stim shot for now - does Body Armor regen?

I'm using Scav, and Gung-Ho looks like the right choice. Not sure about Perk 3 though... I'll take a look at Crash, but I like to radar whore and have played mostly as Recon McDudeyblokefella.

ICR and Vapr are best guns in the game atm so just use those. You honestly can’t do bad with them
Ta, I'll check out the Vapr.

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Re: BO4 - advice for nubcakes
« Reply #5 on: 11:44 PM - 10/15/18 »
Thanks piiwii, much appreciated!

I've hit level 10 and unlocked the Rampart, but the recoil is dooky. I'll stick with the ICR until I'm more familiar with the game mechanics as ICR is noob-friendly. Any recommendations for Optics, or is it user preference?

Another couple of levels and I'll unlock the GKS, thanks for the recommendation. Not a huge fan of the MX9, I find myself stuck just outside its range more often than not.

I've stuck with Stim shot for now - does Body Armor regen?

I'm using Scav and Gung-Ho looks like the right choice. Not sure about Perk 3 though... I'll take a look at Crash, but I like to radar whore and have played mostly as Recon McDudeyblokefella.

ICR and Vapr are best guns in the game atm so just use those. You honestly can’t do bad with them
Ta, I'll check out the Vapr.

I forgot to mention, you'll need the Grip on the Rampart to control that recoil:)

Optics - the Elo sight is really nice, but not available on all guns.

Body Armor - no it doesn't regen, after the first stim it's gone. Another reason why it's not that great of a pick.

As for Scav - yes I'd love to run it too as it's ultimately more convenient compared to Crash but it takes up a Pick 10 slot so it's hard to justify sometimes!
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Re: BO4 - advice for nubcakes
« Reply #6 on: 01:30 AM - 10/16/18 »
Thanks for this thread. I'm always a little lost with new cods! I have been using the icr but will venture out now.

Also good call on this bridge the gap weapons. I always like smgs that are close to ars and ars that are close to smg. They are always fun weapons to take advantage of. Mp7 MW3 🤗

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Re: BO4 - advice for nubcakes
« Reply #7 on: 02:37 AM - 10/16/18 »
No problems. I always thought the GKS was average, until I unlocked Long Barrel 2 and was blown away.

By the way, even though I recommend that everyone needs to experience the insanity of the Rampart 17 with High Caliber 2, my personal favourite AR is the KN-57. Why? Because my play style - like many others - is heavily centred around pre-aiming like crazy and strafing out of corners. KN-57 is only one of three assault rifles with Stock, and you can max it out to 65 bullets in a mag! It's insane, you can pre-fire for days. If you want crazy kill feeds, KN-57 is the gun for the job:)
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Re: BO4 - advice for nubcakes
« Reply #8 on: 06:27 AM - 10/16/18 »
•Through level design and a higher ttk, they've actually made subs more irrelevant than they were in ww2. 
•Fmj is kind of a big deal as it instantly breaks armor.
•Acoustic sensor is OP.
•High sens is king.  Do you want to have aim assist induced arthritis or a 5 kd?
•Suppressors might help.  You're likely going to need to heal and reload after every fight.  That's really hard to do when your enemies know that, and exactly where you are.
•Limit your time in the middle of the map.  It's almost always the best place to die.
•Jumpshotting really throws off average and below players.
•Jiggle peeking corners will drag an enemy preaim to the wall and give you a momentary advantage.
•Play nomad.

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« Reply #9 on: 06:29 PM - 10/16/18 »
Ok I watched Exclusive Ace's latest analysis video, and there's been two huge revelations:

1) When you combine a suppressor with long barrel (GKS and VAPR only), the suppressor used to negate much of the long barrel's benefits in BO3. Not so in BO4 - apparently it has minimal impact! So you benefit from the extended range AND you can stay off the radar. Amazing.

2) Suppressors in general reduce range by a much smaller margin compared to BO3.

So in summary:

If you have the option to stack suppressors with long barrel, do it.

If your gun has the option to equip suppressor, don't feel afraid to use it. BO4's suppressors are like no other in COD history.
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Re: BO4 - advice for nubcakes
« Reply #10 on: 11:44 PM - 10/16/18 »
•Play nomad.
/end thread. I played Nomad today and both of his skills are OP.

When running against Nomad I'm taking Cold Blooded to prevent being mauled by his 1-shot pitbull. The dog looks at you, turns around and runs to your nearest team-mate :)

I played as Nomad today and instantly boosted my KD. My focus is on unlocking weapon parts and getting familiar with the weapons, maps etc, so I don't care about KD, but being able to cover your own back with trip mines gave me more time to get comfortable with the game mechanics.

I'm liking the semi-automatic rifle (can't recall the name), it reminds me of Scouts in Destiny. A little sneaky RF action to avoid button-mashing and it's a sledgehammer at mid to long range (my preference).

That said, it's hard to be pass up the ICR as a solid all-rounder. Quickdraw and almost no recoil makes it a very forgiving weapon. I've avoided CoD MP in part because the gear gap stacks the odds in favour of vets over noobs, but there's no reason to complain here.

I've just unlocked the KN-57 and will take it for a spin tonight. VAPR with silencer sounds right up my alley too.

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Re: BO4 - advice for nubcakes
« Reply #11 on: 12:10 AM - 10/17/18 »
I'm liking the semi-automatic rifle (can't recall the name), it reminds me of Scouts in Destiny. A little sneaky RF action to avoid button-mashing and it's a sledgehammer at mid to long range (my preference).

That said, it's hard to be pass up the ICR as a solid all-rounder. Quickdraw and almost no recoil makes it a very forgiving weapon. I've avoided CoD MP in part because the gear gap stacks the odds in favour of vets over noobs, but there's no reason to complain here.

I've just unlocked the KN-57 and will take it for a spin tonight. VAPR with silencer sounds right up my alley too.

Semi-auto: are you talking about the ABR? If so that's my favourite gun in the game. The base model is great, but when you unlock the operator mod it makes it into a full auto that accelerates over time. Holy mother of god it's a beast!

ICR: it's a great gun but without Stock it's very hard to pre-aim with, which is why I eventually moved on.

KN-57: It's become my new favourite AR. I recommend you slap a grip on it as the recoil can be a bit much for those medium to long range engagements. It has a bigger mag and more damage than the VAPR.
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Re: BO4 - advice for nubcakes
« Reply #12 on: 01:29 AM - 10/17/18 »
The ICR and MX-9 are great starter weapons - Jack of all trades, master of none. If you’re just getting back into CoD, it’s best to focus on map knowledge, movement and aiming mechanics rather than what gun works best. Both the above weapons allow you to do that.

Armour, as Piiwii mentions, has been nerfed a little since the beta, but a lot of new players still equip it, so I find the AP attachment very handy as your bullets then ignore armour completely.

Suppressors are strong in this game, reducing the volume of your shots and keeping you off the minimap when firing. Combining them with Long Barrel, especially on ARs, will make them almost OP.

For the last couple of years I’ve taken on the challenge of getting gold camo on every weapon, from day one. With this in mind, I equip the rocket launcher as a Secondary to get its challenges done early on whilst everyone’s spamming UAVs. But it’s also a really handy bit of kit to use as a returner to the franchise: you’ll keep enemy airsteaks out of the sky and it gets you loads of easy XP whilst doing so - levelling you up more quickly and thereby giving you quicker access to the more powerful (but sometimes less versatile) weapons like the Paladin and Swordfish. Cold Blooded has always been a great perk when shooting down streaks as enemy AI won’t target you, but the Attack Chopper sees past it 50% of the time and shoots you anyway. Still, as you say, it’s still very effective as an anti-Juneau perk.

Like BO3, many of the weapons have great iron sights. Only use an optic if the iron sights restrict your FoV in any way.

Forget Stim Shot. It’s super useful to heal faster if you’re rushing but if you get in a gunfight with more than one opponent, it ain’t gonna help. CoD’s all about effective positioning and if you’re good at that you won’t be in many head-on gunfights anyway and will have a backout plan in mind where you can take an extra second to heal.

And thinking about positioning, the Acoustic Sensor is very useful, even though you have good audio. Treyarch are still working on getting the sound right in this game as directional cues are not very accurate. Until they get it sorted out the perk is your friend. And I’m currently running Dead Silence on every class. Not only does it keep your running footsteps quiet, the lack of your own noise makes it much easier to hear enemies whilst you’re sprinting.

As for Scorestreaks; UAV, Counter UAV and the Care Package are all strong and easy to get. And if you feel confident enough to earn it, the Hellstorm missile is one of the most powerful streaks in the game: multi-kills with it are quite common.

Nomad’s a great Specialist, but Crash and Recon get you more score, more often and help your team. I play solo most of the time and so don’t tend to rely on other players very much, but I’m bright enough to know that if they’re still alive they can keep the enemy of my back long enough for me to do a sneaky flank and get a nice three-piece on an enemy that’s to preoccupied dealing with my teammates. And both Specialist buff your own attributes significantly too.

Dropshotting’s f**cked in this game. Don’t bother with it. Get used to jumpshotting instead. If you don’t use the mechanic, you’ll often lose one on one gunfights to those that do.

And I know you’re not a n00b, but some other’s reading this may just be starting with CoD, so:
Situational awareness is the most important skill in multiplayer first person shooters: learn the maps and watch your minimap.
Don’t stand in doorways or on top of cars - you make yourself a perfect target doing so.
Don’t sprint around corner’s. Walk around them with your sights up. If you think there’s an enemy around the other side, jump shot ‘em.
Try to only reload from cover, prone if possible. And with the new health mechanic, prioritise healing over reloading (I’ve had to retrain my muscle memory).
Don’t chase down the enemy you’ve just winged. 9 times out of 10 you’ll end up running into his mates who’ll just laugh as they melt you. And the other 1 time, he’ll just outplay you and make you look like an idiot. Shoulda killed him first time.  :)
When you respawn, always glance at your minimap before sprinting blindly back into the action.

That’s all I got. This turned into a much longer reply than I intended. I’ll let you know if I think of anything else.








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Re: BO4 - advice for nubcakes
« Reply #13 on: 02:09 AM - 10/17/18 »
I m only one stupid who like titan with jmr II and optical zoom x2 ?
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Re: BO4 - advice for nubcakes
« Reply #14 on: 02:22 AM - 10/17/18 »
Thanks ceebs, I appreciate the input. And yeah, this thread isn't just intended for me - there are plenty of CoD gamers here and these questions are rarely asked on these forums, so let's give us nubs a helping hand :)

So healing works without a Stim?!? I've always taken the Stim assuming it was required for healing and never bothered to look. If that's the case, I'll take Acoustic Sensor as positional cues are otherwise very poor. I'm also using Dead Silence to be as sneaky as possible instead of stomping around like an elephant.

I was wondering if any secondary weapons were worth taking and you've answered that question - rocket launcher it is! I played around with a sniper in the secondary slot, but it seemed like a waste. Launcher for choppers, bots, turrets and dogs makes more sense. Also poking a hole in a sniper nest seems a bit easier with explosives :)

Recon's more my play-style as I like to contribute to the team with a strong neutral game, but my score's higher thus far using Nomad since I can't rely on public teammates to cover my back. Every time I've used Crash my idiot teammates seem to ignore the goody bag. The team-wide health buff is good, but doesn't pop often enough, yet, to be worthwhile. They're the 3 classes I've been using, so I'm on the right path.

piiwii, another 7 levels and I'll unlock the ACR. I've been using the Auger DMR with some success with at range, but a burst would possibly be better in close quarters, so I'll give the ACR a shot.

As an overall introduction to current-gen CoD MP (I played some World at War and Black Ops on PS3, but hacked lobbies ruined the fun), I've found it to be much less chaotic and the players are more skillful than expected (early adopters tend to be series vets, so it makes sense).

I noticed that too when playing Destiny for the first time, but the Crucible is far more conservative, with a lower overall skillbase. I'm learning the lanes and am finding the angles, but still get flanked far too often. The higher pace of CoD takes some adjustment, but I'm liking it. I bought into BO4 based on the higher TTK, otherwise I'd be completely hopeless while learning the ropes. Early days, I'll get there ;)

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