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1000hz vs 500hz?
« on: 12:28 AM - 05/02/18 »
I see lot's of pro players on PC using 500hz as their mouse polling rate, when I searched up why the most common answer was that it was more consistent.

Apparently it's very common for mice not to maintain a steady 1000hz, I tested my Razer Lancehead TE 1000hz on a mouse rate checker. (https://zowie.benq.com/en/support/mouse-rate-checker.html)

I had to struggle very hard spinning the mouse as fast as I could to get 1000hz, even then it'd drop to 990-999 Hz, that doesn't seem like much, but in something like gaming, it matters.

So I tried testing it on 500hz, I could easily maintain a steady 500hz.

May be the reason to why so many pro players use 500hz.

Now my question is if this would make much of a difference on XIM, is some of the jitter that takes place on 1000hz existent due to the little drops of Hz? Which is why we need smoothing?

From my experience at least, I don't need smoothing when I set my XIM Apex at 500hz.

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Re: 1000hz vs 500hz?
« Reply #1 on: 03:57 AM - 05/02/18 »
I settled on 500Hz /4000DPI with my G903.



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Re: 1000hz vs 500hz?
« Reply #2 on: 10:19 AM - 05/02/18 »
I also had mine at 4000dpi before but then sensitivity felt off so went back up to 12k but now that we can use synchro it might be better to use 4000dpi

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Re: 1000hz vs 500hz?
« Reply #3 on: 10:49 AM - 05/02/18 »
I prefer 500hz. Feels less jittery.


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Re: 1000hz vs 500hz?
« Reply #4 on: 12:28 PM - 05/02/18 »
That website is not as reliable/precise, try this utility if you have Windows, reads from hardware registers. Your peak reading must be equal or above polling rate your set, if not then the mouse is not reaching polling rate.

The reason why some pro players uses 500Hz is for personal choice, it is true that some sensors at higher polling rate might introduce less consistent performance. I prefer 500Hz Response Rate on XIM APEX and 500Hz polling rate on my mouse, its rocksteady at 1K too but, I run 500Hz response rate on APEX to avoid jitter.

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Re: 1000hz vs 500hz?
« Reply #5 on: 01:46 PM - 05/02/18 »
I've also been using 4000 DPI for a long time.

If you experience jitter at 1000Hz why don't you just use smoothing?

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Re: 1000hz vs 500hz?
« Reply #6 on: 02:21 PM - 05/02/18 »
I've also been using 4000 DPI for a long time.

If you experience jitter at 1000Hz why don't you just use smoothing?

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Re: 1000hz vs 500hz?
« Reply #7 on: 02:56 PM - 05/02/18 »
I don't like the feel of smoothing. It feels interpolated for want of a better world 🤣

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Re: 1000hz vs 500hz?
« Reply #8 on: 09:38 AM - 05/03/18 »
I'm 1000hz and I've never experienced Jitter with it, I dont use smoothing either :L Feels alot better than 500hz for me I've tested both, also the minority of pro's use 500hz most are 1k hz
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Re: 1000hz vs 500hz?
« Reply #9 on: 10:05 AM - 05/03/18 »
I see lot's of pro players on PC using 500hz as their mouse polling rate, when I searched up why the most common answer was that it was more consistent.

Apparently it's very common for mice not to maintain a steady 1000hz, I tested my Razer Lancehead TE 1000hz on a mouse rate checker. (https://zowie.benq.com/en/support/mouse-rate-checker.html)

I had to struggle very hard spinning the mouse as fast as I could to get 1000hz, even then it'd drop to 990-999 Hz, that doesn't seem like much, but in something like gaming, it matters.

So I tried testing it on 500hz, I could easily maintain a steady 500hz.

May be the reason to why so many pro players use 500hz.

Now my question is if this would make much of a difference on XIM, is some of the jitter that takes place on 1000hz existent due to the little drops of Hz? Which is why we need smoothing?

From my experience at least, I don't need smoothing when I set my XIM Apex at 500hz.

Leave your thoughts!  :D



yes, whenever your mouse drops below 1000hz you will have a jitter movement in the game
the difference between 500hz and 1000hz is only one millisecond, which you dont really notice tbh
thats also why most pro players use 500hz instead of 1000hz, its more stable and basically feels the same

and yes a lot of mice dont run constant 1000hz, even when looking at the same model (eg g502) you have some mice that can do 1000hz and others that will often drop below that
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Re: 1000hz vs 500hz?
« Reply #10 on: 01:59 PM - 05/03/18 »
Yeah I had two white ec1-a one could hold 1000hz the other frequently dipped to 700hz

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Re: 1000hz vs 500hz?
« Reply #11 on: 03:36 PM - 05/03/18 »
My first g502 polled around 150-350hz, when set at 1000hz

Returned it, got another, and now this one polls at around 750-900hz.


Any adverse effects if I set my mouse to 1000hz and run the apex at 500hz?  Am I multiplying my sens by 2 to account for the decreased hz?
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Re: 1000hz vs 500hz?
« Reply #12 on: 04:57 PM - 05/03/18 »
My first g502 polled around 150-350hz, when set at 1000hz

Returned it, got another, and now this one polls at around 750-900hz.


Any adverse effects if I set my mouse to 1000hz and run the apex at 500hz?  Am I multiplying my sens by 2 to account for the decreased hz?

I've got 3 x G502 and according to mouserate.exe and that webpage that often gets referred to on here, not one of them is able to hold 1000hz (they all avg around 990-995hz), neither are any of my other mouse devices.  I've been running at [email protected] and haven't noticed any real instances of jitter.

In your instance, given that your avg polling rate isn't even close to 1000hz, i'd try running both the mouse and the apex at 500hz and see how you get on with that, and instead concentrate on changing the sync settings.

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Re: 1000hz vs 500hz?
« Reply #13 on: 05:00 PM - 05/03/18 »
I've also been using 4000 DPI for a long time.

If you experience jitter at 1000Hz why don't you just use smoothing?

Me? personal taste (shenanigans) I like to set my mouse input as raw as possible. Its 4000 dpi is native, with no visible mouse sensor smoothing or hardware jitter, then I bring that on a silver plate for my XIM to play with it. The only 3 games I play goes pretty well with 500Hz response rate.

In case of a particular game has a very strong AA, then I might try to get 1K response rate with smoothing.