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I was wondering which is better? I though if both 500Hz, then even slightest drop in mouse could cause sync issues. If mouse 1000Hz then the mouse show always be able to match Xim requests at 500Hz as the value will be steadily over what is required.

p.s. sorry if this was a dump question, just wanted to get clarity if this could work.

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Re: Xim 500Hz / Mouse 500Hz or Xim 500Hz / Mouse 1000Hz ?
« Reply #1 on: 12:18 AM - 04/16/18 »
Curious on this as well. That's how I thought of it as well.
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Re: Xim 500Hz / Mouse 500Hz or Xim 500Hz / Mouse 1000Hz ?
« Reply #2 on: 12:22 AM - 04/16/18 »
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Re: Xim 500Hz / Mouse 500Hz or Xim 500Hz / Mouse 1000Hz ?
« Reply #3 on: 12:23 AM - 04/16/18 »
I'm pretty sure that the most ideal setting would be to keep your polling rate at 1000hz and set the Apex to 500 hz. My zowie mouse can handle 1000 hz easily... But im assuming that if it drops to 700ish-800ish during lighter movements or whatever it's still above the 500hz polling your apex is set to?

I've been using 1000hz on my mouse and 500 on apex... It feels pretty @#$% good to me. Idk if I can tell any difference from 500/500... If anything the higher mouse poll and lower xim poll feels better ??
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Re: Xim 500Hz / Mouse 500Hz or Xim 500Hz / Mouse 1000Hz ?
« Reply #4 on: 04:00 AM - 04/16/18 »
I was wondering which is better? I though if both 500Hz, then even slightest drop in mouse could cause sync issues. If mouse 1000Hz then the mouse show always be able to match Xim requests at 500Hz as the value will be steadily over what is required.

p.s. sorry if this was a dump question, just wanted to get clarity if this could work.

Apex reporting rate must be set to lower than your mouse's actual (not necessarily advertised) reporting rate or you are likely to get stuttering.
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Re: Xim 500Hz / Mouse 500Hz or Xim 500Hz / Mouse 1000Hz ?
« Reply #5 on: 04:52 AM - 04/16/18 »
Keep it at 1000hz use device to its full potential

Else you may aswell go buy a cheaper device and run it at your 500hz or less...

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Re: Xim 500Hz / Mouse 500Hz or Xim 500Hz / Mouse 1000Hz ?
« Reply #6 on: 05:53 AM - 04/16/18 »
Keep it at 1000hz
as long as you don't get any stuttering or jitter, to
use device to its full potential

Else you may aswell go buy a cheaper device and run it at your 500hz or less...
what cheaper device are you referring to?
And I challenge you to notice the difference, when gaming, between 500 Hz and 1K.
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Re: Xim 500Hz / Mouse 500Hz or Xim 500Hz / Mouse 1000Hz ?
« Reply #7 on: 08:53 AM - 04/16/18 »
And I challenge you to notice the difference, when gaming, between 500 Hz and 1K.
Jitter at 1000Hz, none at 500Hz ;)  (also much lower risk of XB1 chat issues at 500Hz).

It's better to match the Apex and mouse speed. If the mouse has issues polling consistently at 1000Hz, it needs to be dropped to 500Hz and should be rock-solid at that rate. You can't set the Apex to 1000Hz and the mouse to 500Hz, so the answer is self-explanatory - drop the mouse polling rate and match the Apex to it.

If you leave the mouse at 1000Hz and the Apex at 500Hz, the Apex will filter out and possibly interpolate movement, with the added potential for stutter or jitter. That won't resolve the mouse's polling problem as the Xim may drop input if it pings the mouse when it's missed a poll, which could be 10-30% of the time (900Hz to 700Hz mouse polling, which doesn't seem uncommon on mice supposedly polling at 1000Hz).
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Re: Xim 500Hz / Mouse 500Hz or Xim 500Hz / Mouse 1000Hz ?
« Reply #8 on: 10:22 AM - 04/16/18 »
And I challenge you to notice the difference, when gaming, between 500 Hz and 1K.
Jitter at 1000Hz, none at 500Hz ;)  (also much lower risk of XB1 chat issues at 500Hz).

It's better to match the Apex and mouse speed. If the mouse has issues polling consistently at 1000Hz, it needs to be dropped to 500Hz and should be rock-solid at that rate. You can't set the Apex to 1000Hz and the mouse to 500Hz, so the answer is self-explanatory - drop the mouse polling rate and match the Apex to it.

If you leave the mouse at 1000Hz and the Apex at 500Hz, the Apex will filter out and possibly interpolate movement, with the added potential for stutter or jitter. That won't resolve the mouse's polling problem as the Xim may drop input if it pings the mouse when it's missed a poll, which could be 10-30% of the time (900Hz to 700Hz mouse polling, which doesn't seem uncommon on mice supposedly polling at 1000Hz).

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Re: Xim 500Hz / Mouse 500Hz or Xim 500Hz / Mouse 1000Hz ?
« Reply #9 on: 11:34 AM - 04/16/18 »

If you leave the mouse at 1000Hz and the Apex at 500Hz, the Apex will filter out and possibly interpolate movement, with the added potential for stutter or jitter.

Was curious about this.  Wasn't xim4 125Hz?  Was there a mouse polling rate recommendation back then?

Presently I have the apex set at 250Hz on PS4 pro and my mouse (G502) set at 500Hz.  Are you saying it would be less likely to cause jitter or stutter if I set the apex to 500Hz as well as opposed to 250Hz?

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Re: Xim 500Hz / Mouse 500Hz or Xim 500Hz / Mouse 1000Hz ?
« Reply #10 on: 03:25 PM - 04/16/18 »
And I challenge you to notice the difference, when gaming, between 500 Hz and 1K.
Jitter at 1000Hz, none at 500Hz ;)  (also much lower risk of XB1 chat issues at 500Hz).

It's better to match the Apex and mouse speed. If the mouse has issues polling consistently at 1000Hz, it needs to be dropped to 500Hz and should be rock-solid at that rate. You can't set the Apex to 1000Hz and the mouse to 500Hz, so the answer is self-explanatory - drop the mouse polling rate and match the Apex to it.

If you leave the mouse at 1000Hz and the Apex at 500Hz, the Apex will filter out and possibly interpolate movement, with the added potential for stutter or jitter. That won't resolve the mouse's polling problem as the Xim may drop input if it pings the mouse when it's missed a poll, which could be 10-30% of the time (900Hz to 700Hz mouse polling, which doesn't seem uncommon on mice supposedly polling at 1000Hz).

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Re: Xim 500Hz / Mouse 500Hz or Xim 500Hz / Mouse 1000Hz ?
« Reply #11 on: 05:26 PM - 04/16/18 »
Was curious about this.  Wasn't xim4 125Hz?  Was there a mouse polling rate recommendation back then?

Presently I have the apex set at 250Hz on PS4 pro and my mouse (G502) set at 500Hz.  Are you saying it would be less likely to cause jitter or stutter if I set the apex to 500Hz as well as opposed to 250Hz?
Xim4 filtered out and normalised all mouse data to 125Hz, so it didn't matter what the mouse polled at, the output was always at 125Hz. That's the difference you feel between the slightly muddy Xim4 tracking and the clean precision of Apex when it's polling at a higher rate to the console.

At 250Hz on the Apex and 500Hz on the mouse, I wouldn't worry too much, but I also don't see an advantage to polling the Apex at less than 500Hz. The only reason I did it was Titan Two caused USB desync on the Apex at 500 and 1000Hz, which has since been resolved.

We really want to be polling both the mouse and the Apex at the highest possible rate for optimal performance, but if jitter or other mouse or polling rate issues crop up, drop both to 500Hz as one of the troubleshooting options. Adjusting Sync should be the first step, but if that doesn't resolve jitter, drop to 500 - a 1ms difference in polling is not going to negatively impact performance to any noticeable degree.

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Re: Xim 500Hz / Mouse 500Hz or Xim 500Hz / Mouse 1000Hz ?
« Reply #12 on: 05:40 PM - 04/16/18 »
Was curious about this.  Wasn't xim4 125Hz?  Was there a mouse polling rate recommendation back then?

Presently I have the apex set at 250Hz on PS4 pro and my mouse (G502) set at 500Hz.  Are you saying it would be less likely to cause jitter or stutter if I set the apex to 500Hz as well as opposed to 250Hz?
Xim4 filtered out and normalised all mouse data to 125Hz, so it didn't matter what the mouse polled at, the output was always at 125Hz. That's the difference you feel between the slightly muddy Xim4 tracking and the clean precision of Apex when it's polling at a higher rate to the console.

At 250Hz on the Apex and 500Hz on the mouse, I wouldn't worry too much, but I also don't see an advantage to polling the Apex at less than 500Hz. The only reason I did it was Titan Two caused USB desync on the Apex at 500 and 1000Hz, which has since been resolved.

We really want to be polling both the mouse and the Apex at the highest possible rate for optimal performance, but if jitter or other mouse or polling rate issues crop up, drop both to 500Hz as one of the troubleshooting options. Adjusting Sync should be the first step, but if that doesn't resolve jitter, drop to 500 - a 1ms difference in polling is not going to negatively impact performance to any noticeable degree.

Thanks, really appreciate the response.

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Re: Xim 500Hz / Mouse 500Hz or Xim 500Hz / Mouse 1000Hz ?
« Reply #13 on: 02:19 AM - 04/17/18 »
Presently I have the apex set at 250Hz on PS4 pro and my mouse (G502) set at 500Hz.  Are you saying it would be less likely to cause jitter or stutter if I set the apex to 500Hz as well as opposed to 250Hz?
Your settings are fine. As long as your mouse's polling rate is higher than the Apex's, you should have no stutter.
Jitter is experienced when using micro movements. You'll not notice it when on Hip, but you will if you're trying to make tiny adjustments when ADSed. This is what Smoothing is for.
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Re: Xim 500Hz / Mouse 500Hz or Xim 500Hz / Mouse 1000Hz ?
« Reply #14 on: 10:57 AM - 04/23/18 »
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