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Any tired the new razer
« on: 11:39 PM - 10/04/22 »
Anyone try the new Razer Basilisk V3 Pro? And what about the new razer mouse dock that supports  4k polling hz? Sounds like it would be killer on xim ?

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Re: Any tired the new razer
« Reply #1 on: Today at 02:27 AM »
Two forum members shared their experience with the mouse in the last few posts of this thread.

https://community.xim.tech/index.php?topic=98660.msg883984#msg883984

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Re: Any tired the new razer
« Reply #2 on: Today at 08:15 AM »
Two forum members shared their experience with the mouse in the last few posts of this thread.

https://community.xim.tech/index.php?topic=98660.msg883984#msg883984


Hmm there just talking about the sensor nothin about the 4k hz tho

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Re: Any tired the new razer
« Reply #3 on: Today at 12:45 PM »
1,000Hz is the maximum frequency mice will poll on XIM APEX. Mice can't send polls to XIM APEX whenever they want to. Mice must wait for XIM APEX to send them a poll request, and the mouse sends a reply to XIM's poll request.

Since XIM won't poll the mouse faster than 1,000Hz, then the mouse will only reply to XIM at 1,000Hz. Even if the mouse is set to 4,000Hz.
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Re: Any tired the new razer
« Reply #4 on: Today at 02:36 PM »
Hmm looks like new xim better support 4 hz then lol with 3.2 usb all the good new features you know

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Re: Any tired the new razer
« Reply #5 on: Today at 04:35 PM »
Almost all USB devices are 2.0, which is limited to 1000Hz, including gaming mice and keyboards. That won't change for the new XIM just to support a couple of USB 3.0 mice. Those mice also work better at 2000Hz than 4000Hz, which is a theoretical max polling rate under lab conditions only.

USB 3 is intended for high-bandwidth devices like external hard-drives and capture cards. It's nigh on pointless for mice and keyboards which are limited by input lag, display lag, network lag, V-sync and a game's processing loop...sub-1ms polling is not going to make any difference when there's at least 8ms of lag on every gaming system.

4K polling rate is a marketing tool to sucker the "faster is better" crowd into buying stuff they don't need.  The same applies to HDMI 2.1 and 1ms response monitors. Consoles aren't running 4K 120Hz AAA games and 1ms is the grey-to-grey response rate. That's not display lag, which is 8ms at best and 16ms on average on PC gaming screens.

Don't be a sucker - 1000Hz polling rate doesn't work well for mice on consoles that are designed for 125Hz input, so don't expect things to improve on a 4000Hz mouse. PCs can handle 1000Hz input, but isn't the whole point of using a XIM on PC to abuse Aim Assist, which works better at lower polling rates?

The mouse itself is good and 4K polling may help on PC for more consistent sensor performance, so it's not without value. But I wouldn't be buying it just to use with a XIM for the 4K polling.
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Re: Any tired the new razer
« Reply #6 on: Today at 05:21 PM »
Well if you didn't know xbox series x supports 3.0 or 3.2 gen 1 they call it so it would actually be best if xim actually took that for granted and there backwards compatibility so to not put 3.2 ubs on xim is kinda cheap saving. and thats really not a thing to do imo I dont see why it wouldn't be 3.2 usb ports just to save a couple bucks? Just up the price little more. Technically is moving forward no need to stay with old stuff

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Re: Any tired the new razer
« Reply #7 on: Today at 06:35 PM »
It's true consoles have USB 3.0 ports but to my knowledge the console operating system doesn't have driver support for polling rates above 1,000Hz. So even if XIM supported over 1,000Hz, it still wouldn't work without Sony and Microsoft adding driver support.

With that said, I don't believe consoles poll XIM faster than 250Hz anyways. XIM's Response Rate setting probably controls how frequently XIM translates mouse, keyboard, and controller into a single translated input to be sent to the console.

XIM could technically up the translation rate for mouse, keyboard, and controller above 1,000Hz. But communication between the console and XIM will still be 250Hz. Technically 125Hz when you account for XIM probably NAKing half the polls.

Basically, we'd be sending a 4,000Hz signal through a 125Hz pipe. Which is beneficial for reducing input lag, but obviously a 4,000Hz pipe from start to finish would be more ideal. Though such high polling rates would leave XIM vulnerable to detection because gamepads don't poll that high.
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Re: Any tired the new razer
« Reply #8 on: Today at 07:56 PM »
Well if you didn't know xbox series x supports 3.0 or 3.2 gen 1 they call it so it would actually be best if xim actually took that for granted and there backwards compatibility so to not put 3.2 ubs on xim is kinda cheap saving. and thats really not a thing to do imo I dont see why it wouldn't be 3.2 usb ports just to save a couple bucks? Just up the price little more. Technically is moving forward no need to stay with old stuff
That's because consoles support external USB HDDs, so you can load last-gen games from those sources over high bandwidth. It's not intended for mice & keyboards.

There's more to it than "save a couple of bucks". 1000Hz on XIM can cause chat audio garbling and dropped frames on Xbox consoles. That would be exponentially worse at 4000Hz as you're trying to shove a firehose of data through a gardenhose connector.

1000Hz is overkill already when console games expect input at 125Hz. That's true of both PS and Xbox consoles. And yes, USB polling rates are still 250Hz by default on current-gen consoles.

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Re: Any tired the new razer
« Reply #9 on: Today at 08:04 PM »
Well you never know they might update that one day and it would be good to just have 3.2 usb since it's backwards compatibility  wouldn't really hurt


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