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Elite Controllers vs XIM4?
« on: 09:53 AM - 12/07/16 »
So I have my XIM4 and, dont get me wrong, I like it. I am playing better with it then I did with my standard ps4 controller but I am just curious how the XIM stands up to an elite controller like a Scuff?

I have always used a mouse playing online and I know basically nothing about these elite controllers. In fact ive never heard of one until yesterday but I read a lot of the pros use them. I just wanted to get peoples thoughts about what they think

Also, there is a lot of heat on people who use the XIM. People call them cheaters.  What about Scuf users?
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Re: Elite Controllers vs XIM4?
« Reply #1 on: 12:32 PM - 12/07/16 »
Scuf is still thumbstick aim, so, if you aren't proficient with this type of method, having an Elite or Scuf won't be of any advantage to you.
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Re: Elite Controllers vs XIM4?
« Reply #2 on: 12:37 PM - 12/07/16 »
IMO, it's player preference. If you don't play with controllers or not good with controllers, a scuff won't change that immediately. On the flip side, if you don't use a mouse to play, you won't be good immediately. Over time they would get better though. We ximmers have people here that don't play so well with mouse but they are comfortable with it. Same goes for scuff, there are scuff owners who don't do well. Ultimately, the individual player is the reason for why he is good or doesn't do well.

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Re: Elite Controllers vs XIM4?
« Reply #3 on: 07:01 PM - 12/07/16 »
I had a Scuf controller for the Xbox 360. I loved the trigger stops and I added on thumbstick extensions. The improvement of using an elite controller is not significant when you are already good with controller. I feel my original Scuf controller and these thumbsticks were well worth the $270 I paid though.

Then came the Xbox one, I hated using a standard controller again. So I purchased a Scuf One. It arrived and had the wrong screw holding it together. When they add the trigger stop they need a longer screw since they cut out a pocket in the controller. I sent it back and didn't hear anything for weeks. I tried contacting and no response. I then found Scuf has horrible ratings from the better business bureau. I filed a complaint with the BBB after waiting 2 months with no response from support. The repaired controller was still in bad shape. The grip was very latex-like, a completely different compound from my 360 grip. This grip was slippery, clearly a spray-on/paint-on rubber you can get at Home Depot...

Within 2 months of light use I broke one of the paddle buttons. After the last experience I wasn't willing to try their support.  I fixed it myself by ordering a pack of switches from Amazon. It never felt good, but having paddles is better than no paddles.

Then I moved on the the Xbox Elite controller. Much better and much cheaper. It's everything a pro controller should be, button mapping is perfect. I liked it a lot, but it too is plagued with the paddle switch issue. Unfortunately, Microsoft mounts to paddle switches on a small board which makes repairing them near impossible. It was at that point I decided to go to XIM.

My experience with XIM is that I no longer have to keep a gaming routine to be good. If I stopped playing halo for weeks it would take many practice games to train myself to be accurate with the controller. With XIM I'm always ready to go. I've never been a good PC gamer and fortunately with the NAV ($10 used at gamestop) I don't have to be. XIM is a clear advantage, but there are several people on my friends list that can still beat me 1v1.

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Re: Elite Controllers vs XIM4?
« Reply #4 on: 11:57 PM - 12/07/16 »
Wow $270 for a controller! I didnt realize they were that expensive. I guess its pretty much the same as xim+nice mouse+halfway decent keyboard tho when i think about it.
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Re: Elite Controllers vs XIM4?
« Reply #5 on: 06:15 PM - 12/08/16 »
Every streamer I've seen who uses a Scuf has a broken Scuf.

XB1 Elite controllers are a beautiful bit of kit, but I strongly dislike the paddles on the rear, which was the entire point of buying one in the first place. I'm constantly getting my fingers caught on the paddle ends and flicking them out of the sockets.

In short, tread with caution. More expensive doesn't necessarily mean better.

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Re: Elite Controllers vs XIM4?
« Reply #6 on: 06:18 PM - 12/08/16 »
Wow $270 for a controller! I didnt realize they were that expensive. I guess its pretty much the same as xim+nice mouse+halfway decent keyboard tho when i think about it.

Prices have gone down a bit since the elite controller was released, but still the XIM is priced perfectly to compete. If you're like me and are sluggish with keyboard, pick up a PS NAV for $10 to $15 and use a $50 mouse. It's still cheaper than a good Scuf and lasts longer too.

My buddy has been using the edge and XIM 4 for years now, wish I would have made the switch back then.

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Re: Elite Controllers vs XIM4?
« Reply #7 on: 06:26 PM - 12/08/16 »
Every streamer I've seen who uses a Scuf has a broken Scuf.

XB1 Elite controllers are a beautiful bit of kit, but I strongly dislike the paddles on the rear, which was the entire point of buying one in the first place. I'm constantly getting my fingers caught on the paddle ends and flicking them out of the sockets.

In short, tread with caution. More expensive doesn't necessarily mean better.

First week of using the elite I took my dremmel out and trimmed the longer paddles. The controller is 10x better with all small paddles. If you still use your elite, I highly recommend finding a way to trim them down.

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Re: Elite Controllers vs XIM4?
« Reply #8 on: 10:07 AM - 12/09/16 »
I got my first Scuf in the summer that Black Ops 1 was out. Scuf wasn't even legal on the pro circuit yet. US pro's weren't using them yet. Scuf was only based in the UK at the time looking to expand into the US market which they did with a strong push at MLG Orlando that year. 

Back then the Scuf was pretty standard it was the trigger stops, hair trigger adjustment and paddles that where the key selling points.  Once I got a scuf I couldn't play COD without one.  I used a scuf for BO1, MW3 until half way through Black Ops 2.  Why?

Well MW3 was so up and down for me connection wise I started getting into PC gaming. I built a Gaming rig and really got into Battlefield 3 and other Pc games including some cod titles.  However once every few weeks my console gaming buddies would want me to link up for some games like old times. Every time I would jump on to play with them a few things would happen.

1. I found after years of playing with a controller it now felt foreign to me. Mouse/Keyboard just makes more sense to me when playing FPS games.
2. My thumbs hurt after a long gaming session using a controller. COD gives your thumbs a workout. Sore, tender thumbs are the worse. Hard to explain to non gamers why your hands hurt... "Oh I was grinding COD  last night". They just don'g understand

So if I was going to play with them once in a while I needed a solution and that's how I found the XIM Edge. To be honest when I got the Edge during BO2 there were growing pains. It's not the same as playing on a pc. However I stuck with the Edge and I fell in love with using a XIM on console. 

I sold all my scufs on ebay. I think I had a total of 6 or 7 scufs that I bought in about 2 years time. Why so many well they wear out to be honest. The sticks get real loose. The paddles use to crack. The trigger sensitivity screws would get messed up. The rubber paint they used at that time would peel, scratch and no longer felt good in your hands..

Now when people ask me what controller I use I tell them I'm using a scuf or just a regular controller and play claw. Why? Because I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain the XIM to console casuals. Console casuals are just now in the past year learning about scufs.  If somebody who seems like they play PC more than console ask then sure I'll be happy to explain it.

Also the only way to really test what's better the best XIM player vs the best Controller player in a COD game would have to be done at a Lan event. What happens "online" is more based off connections than actual skill. Some games you got the "Juice" and other games they got the "Juice".  I say use what works best for you result and comfort wise.
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Re: Elite Controllers vs XIM4?
« Reply #9 on: 01:36 PM - 12/09/16 »
I know it's all preference but a keyboard beats the paddles in efficiency. Most people are intimidated by the learning curve of kbm because of the amount of keys. If there was a short lesson on key bindings, a guide to personal tweaks, and a little instruction on constructive practice outside of multiplayer. I guarantee people would be able to focus (in multiplayer) in a shorter amount of time. Plus a in game flicking tutorial couldn't hurt either.
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Re: Elite Controllers vs XIM4?
« Reply #10 on: 11:07 PM - 12/09/16 »
Most people are intimidated by the learning curve of kbm because of the amount of keys.

The KBM issue to me is entirely due to WASD.

For example, playing Halo 5 with the elite controller. Each hand was responsible for the following actions:
Left Hand
1) WASD
2) Jump
3) Thruster
4) Throw Grenade
5) ADS

Right Hand
1) Aim
2) Crouch
3) Melee
4) Reload
5) Change Weapons

Now if I were to play Halo 5 with KBM there are controls I move to the mouse (right hand).
Left Hand
1) WASD
2) Jump
3) Thrust
4) Throw Grenade crouch
5) ADS

Right Hand
1) Aim
2) Crouch throw grenade
3) Melee
4) Reload
5) Change Weapons
6) ADS

Seems simple enough, I actually try to help my left hand by moving an action to the mouse. I do this because the WASD made me lose access to my precious multi-tasking index finger. So okay, I use the pinky that is now available. It's hard to explain, but there are movement combinations (Jump, change direction, thrust) that you need to be able to do quickly in Halo to avoid enemy grenades and I struggle so hard to do it in real-time. Maybe my problem is due to being spoiled by pro controllers which allowed me to be lazy.


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Re: Elite Controllers vs XIM4?
« Reply #11 on: 10:50 AM - 12/10/16 »
I also have a Raser Nostromo (old tartarus) and my controls are similar to yours. I have no problem playing Battlefield or MMORPG with it. My problem is with more complex combat games (BOPS, Titanfall, Halo) I just cant respond fast enough. It's odd because I spend 8 hours a day at a desk job constantly responding to e-mails, but somehow I'm slow and easily thrown off playing anything that requires more than WASD and jump/crouch.

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Re: Elite Controllers vs XIM4?
« Reply #12 on: 08:44 PM - 12/10/16 »
Rather than buy a scuff look at the strike packs paddles for ps4 and Xbox.. 40 bucks and plugs into your controller with customizable mods out the @#$%.. Well worth it



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