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Offline RML

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Note: To quickly identify the updated section I've noted it below and separated it with a line break.

So what exactly is Aim Assist (referred to as Target Assist in some games) and how does it work? Here's the best video I found with a quick search on youtube. It's a great video and I would encourage all to watch even if you believe you already understand how Aim Assist works.



Ok, so why would I want settings to combat AA, isn't AA a GOOD thing? First off, YES AA actually is a GOOD thing and it does help you to not over shoot your target. The problem is AA is often so strong on consoles that when used with something as precise as a mouse it can feel like it's fighting against you at times. There are typically Three scenarios that cause AA to become a problem when using a mouse.

1.) Range of motion! AA is built to help a controller user stay on a target, using a range of motion of only about an inch. Compare that with a Mouse that may have a range of motion of up to 12 inches or MORE, depending on your settings (dpi, sens,curves,etc.) and you start to see a more accurate pic of why LOW sens players will fight AA ALOT more then high sens players will.

2.) Aiming at multiple targets! I'm sure EVERYONE has come across this problem at some point in time. You aim at a group of targets and your cross hair is drawn towards the wrong target. Keep in mind, this doesn't necessarily mean targets within the same distance or side by side. You could be aiming for a target just a few meters away and another target could cross your sights, either in front or behind the target you're aiming at and AA will often try to pull you towards the secondary target. You may not even see the other target, but you'll feel its AA.

3.) When you ADS just outside of the Enemies hit box! Unless your aim is dead nuts every time you ADS on a target you're going to occasionally experience an issue where it feels like your cursor is stuck in the mud as you're trailing a target. This is what has been referred to as the "AA Bubble effect." It's what happens when you're cursor speed is drastically slowed by Aim Assist that was created by the developer to make aiming possible with a controller. Think about that for a second. This slow down effect was created for thumb stick aiming, not a precision mouse. What's the difference? Simple, one word for ya "Velocity!" The amount of slow down needed to control Thumb stick aiming can often feel like your hitting a wall with a mouse. This is because you're typically not creating as much velocity with your mouse as you would be with a Stick. Why? Because you don't have to, it's a precision aiming device.

These three scenarios are why I started creating Anti-Aim Assist Setups and curves. As mentioned prior, when I say Anti-Aim Assist, I don't mean NO Aim Assist at all. I mean Aim Assist that feels helpful and controlled, not overpowering or intrusive.

High sens players will feel less Aim Assist then low sens players. That is purely because of the velocity issue I spoke of. So this thread will probably be more appealing to mid and low sens players. Although I believe the Setup styles and curves I'm going to show you will be helpful to everyone that is experiencing issue's 1,2 or 3 above.

If you enjoy my style of game play then you're really going to enjoy this setup style/curves. If you're newer to XIM and you don't know me and you're wondering if this setup may apply to you. Here's a little background on me and my style.

"Typically, I use 12000 dpi because it helps over come AA a little. I use SYNC OFF, because it helps over come AA a little, I use 1000hz. because it helps over come AA a little. Then I use Boost or curves to do the rest. The objective would be to use minor curves or as little Boost as possible because they will effect Linear movement. I've taken all of these things into account, and came up with the settings I've shared. The goal being to make Aim Assist feel more manageable without degrading linear and micro movements to noticeably.

Morale of the story... The more you lower DPI, Polling, SYNC settings and Sensitivity, the more you have to compensate with curves and boost if Aim Assist is too strong for you. I understand wanting to use lower DPI, I honestly Used to be "That Guy!" Od1n and myself were probably the biggest "known members" here that have spoken this way. I swore on 4000 dpi! That was my thing with my Destiny Setup. 4000 DPI, that's because I grew up with it. 12000 dpi felt jittery to me.

Then APEX came along. As an Alpha tester I was committed to test and trial running at 1000hz. At first this felt pretty Jittery to me and I had some real concerns about the quality of performance. But after about a week of playing at 1000hz. and after I realized how much better Aim Assist felt to me while playing at 1000hz. I was completely sold that this is the future of XIM! It takes performance up a few notches, it's more responsive, it cuts through AA better!

Then HE4DHUNTER convinced me to do something I swore I NEVER would do, convert to 12000 DPI. Again, at first this felt jittery to me as much or more so then 1000hz. But I learned to dial in my sensitivity with these new settings and my G502. I learned to steady my hand a little. Now, I won't stray from 12000 DPI either.

(If you don't know who HE4DHUNTER is, watch any of the Admin videos advertising a XIM product since EDGE, if it's COD, then it's HH behind the mouse. The guy is the best XIM COD player on the planet, period!)

My point is. I do these things for a reason. It made sense to me to alter my style and switch to 12000 dpi because I liked how it made AA feel for me when compared to lower DPI settings.

Aim Assist has always been my one and only Nemesis ever since I bought my first XIM and it seems to be just getting stronger with most games. So what you see in my setup is quite literally an evolution of my gaming style over the last 5 years (maybe more)! But it was a necessity for me personally. In order to make AA work for me, to my expectations and still keep linear movement as crisp and clean as possible. This setup is what I had to do.

That being said, everyone is different. This is the story behind my setup. If you asked "what could I do to match your settings?" I don't know how to fully explain that to you without sharing my journey. So sorry for the long winded, ba,blah,ba blah. But that's my answer.

Cheers!"   - RML




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THEORY BEHIND THIS STYLE of GAMEPLAY:
- High DPI helps cut through AA (Aim Assist).
- Higher Hz. values (1000 being the highest) helps cut through AA.
- Higher SYNC values (OFF being the highest) helps cut through AA.
- Higher Sensitivity helps cut through AA.
- Boost helps cut through AA.
- Curves can help cut through AA or make AA stronger.
- Smoothing and Steady Aim can increase AA.


HOW TO APPLY THIS CONCEPT TO YOUR GAME:
- Use your mouses Max DPI setting.
- Activate Advanced settings in XIM Manager.
- Use 1000hz in XIM Manager and 1000 polling on your mouse. (if your mouse doesn't poll at 1000hz consistently and you're feeling Stutter, then run XIM manager at 500hz. This will make AA slightly stronger but fix the stutter. If you're unsure if it's your mouse's polling rate, then add Smoothing and see if it fixes the issue. You should add Smoothing in increments of 1 until stutter is gone. You want to keep Smoothing as low as possible as it will also make AA stronger).
- Change your Sync setting from DEFAULT to SYNC OFF, in manager.
- Adjust your Hip sensitivity in game until you feel comfortable. Adjust your ADS sensitivity the same, but maybe push it a little toward the fast side. Remember higher sens = less AA and raising your ADS sensitivity is the Purest way of eliminating AA. So push it but make sure it's controllable, I suggest you test it on bots in a private game to get the feel for how AA is effecting your aim.
- Add Boost in values of 100 until AA feels manageable. Just be mindful that Boost will effect micro movements. This is where some may prefer curves over Boost as curves can start out linear, making no change to micro movements.

If you've followed my guidelines above and its just not working for you or AA is still too strong for your tastes, then try the AAA curves I've put together below.

Here's my latest Full Config Code that I use to store my AAA curves. Copy/paste this code into a Full Config in your library for easy access . You MUST have The latest Firmware/Manager 20190719 to utilize this code. Link - https://community.xim.tech/index.php?topic=79166.0   You will typically want to lower your sensitivity when Applying these curves.

- NEW CURVE SET  (20190810) -
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   >>> XIM APEX [6/60 Curves] START COPY >>>
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Cheers!
« Last Edit: 08:59 AM - 08/23/19 by RML »
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finally your topic is up, reading! :)
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I'm going to try this with hand cannons in destiny now....  Will feedback which feels best and how it compares to the curve you suggested using in your insane destiny set up thread

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What about anti-anti-aim assist?

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What about anti-anti-aim assist?

You'll have to talk to Ballsticks about that. Not my flavor.  :P
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You'll have to talk to Ballsticks about that. Not my flavor.  :P

So this is more of an anti-anti-anti-aim assist kinda thing then?  :o

I'll shut-up now.

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You'll have to talk to Ballsticks about that. Not my flavor.  :P

So this is more of an anti-anti-anti-aim assist kinda thing then?  :o

I'll shut-up now.

You're happy with Vanilla, you should rejoice. I slightly envy you, I wish it was that simple.
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You're happy with Vanilla, you should rejoice. I slightly envy you, I wish it was that simple.

Fark no. Once you've gone RML, you never go back!

I'll give the curves a bash when I get over my current gaming malaise.

As always, thanks for sharing :salute:

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Thank you RML GREAT CURVES.  Im using 0,85 x/y ratio on battlefield 4 too and it feels better,  are you using it too?  Can you explain this change in x/y?

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Thank you RML GREAT CURVES.  Im using 0,85 x/y ratio on battlefield 4 too and it feels better,  are you using it too?  Can you explain this change in x/y?

I can ... it's called shenanigans! Lol  :D

That's actually not the case for me. I use 1.0 Y,X ratio with ADS. If you're talking about HIP, then yes, I do prefer .85. I think it feels better because it kind of tightens up the X axis, makes it feel a little more responsive with that curve. As far as ADS goes, what happened was ... I pasted all of those curves in sub-configs. A few of those subs were for vehicles and I forgot to change that to 1.0. I grayed a few of them out, but I must have missed that one. I save all four variations of the curve in subs so I can easily copy/paste them into my ADS config for testing. That's why they're all different colors and only one was "ADS" Green.

But hey, if you're using that ratio for ADS and it's working for you then go with it! I can't say I'd recommend it but I've also never tried it.

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Is it possible to create curves with a profit from the aim assist?
In Overwatch the Aim Assist helps me after the last update.
And than i see curves for BO3 that work with the aim assist.

Is this for every game possible? Controller player get much advantage from the aim assist.
Can we have the same advantage?


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Is it possible to create curves with a profit from the aim assist?
In Overwatch the Aim Assist helps me after the last update.
And than i see curves for BO3 that work with the aim assist.

Is this for every game possible? Controller player get much advantage from the aim assist.
Can we have the same advantage?

You guys are killing me with this. There's something you really need to understand about AA. If you want MAX AA then you need a VERY aggressive curve to overcome it. Otherwise, you're going to feel like your crosshairs are stuck in the mud when you ADS on a target. Maxing out AA isn't going to just auto aim for you. No offense but people looking for an Aim bot mechanic is a bit annoying to me. My goal has always been to help this device aim more like a mouse on PC. Something that improves your aim, not aim for you! You know what ... Fine!

You guys want max AA, here's how!

#1 - Download this firmware, http://cloud.xim4.com/Beta/XIM4Flash-20160601-STEADYAIM0.exe (If you're on 2014 Firmware then this will be a breaking change and will erase all of your settings. But hey, if you really want MAX AA then it should be worth it, right?)
#2 - Activate Steady Aim by checking the box.
#3 - Set Boost to 90!
#4 - Apply this Curve and run it at a very LOW sens. (Or don't apply this curve and feel your cursor get stuck in the mud).
#5 - Leave feedback about this firmware in this thread or risk forever losing it! http://xim4.com/community/index.php?topic=46808.0

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>>> XIM4 [Mouse Ballistics] START PASTE >>>
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Don't pay any attention what game this was created for, it doesn't matter, the concept is the same.

You're welcome! 

Sry ... it's early, haven't had my coffee yet.   :-*
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How does this compare in Destiny to say playing with st v1?
I swapped back to v1 after having no luck playing with v2.

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I thought I wanted max Aim Assist, I tried dr ballistics max aim assist set up then realized that RML's anti aim assist was actually what I was looking for.

I used the steady aim test drop 1 firmware and thought it was very good, I then used test drop 2 and thought it was better, then I turned off steady aim and thought that was even better..... now I don't even know what day of the week it is.


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I thought I wanted max Aim Assist, I tried dr ballistics max aim assist set up then realized that RML's anti aim assist was actually what I was looking for.

I used the steady aim test drop 1 firmware and thought it was very good, I then used test drop 2 and thought it was better, then I turned off steady aim and thought that was even better..... now I don't even know what day of the week it is.

Aim at the head. Pull the trigger. Works for me.

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