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New mouse Logitech G900 !!!
« on: 12:26 AM - 03/30/16 »
This makes me very excited!
The new Logitech weird /wireless mouse: G900, using the same pmw 3366 sensor as the Xim'rs favorite G502

It's seems to improve massively on my negative experience of the G502.   
-Lighter
-better side buttons
-better scroll wheel


http://www.cnet.com/products/logitech-g900-chaos-spectrum/
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/logitech-g900-chaos-spectrum,review-3485.html
http://www.polygon.com/2016/3/24/11295310/logitech-g900-wireless-mouse-price-release-date


This mouse can be both weird and wireless with 1ms response time!

"As for click latency the delay between the moment a button is clicked and the moment a computer detects that click the G900 handily bested two wired mice, the SteelSeries Rival 300 and the Razer DeathAdder Chroma."

The release in my country is early April, is there any reason to think it may not work with the xim ?
Will the xim be able to charge the mouse while in weird mod?

I want this today :)
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Re: New mouse Logitech G900 !!!
« Reply #1 on: 04:22 PM - 03/31/16 »
Yeah man that thing looks so awesome. And it seems to have all the features you could ever want.

I want one so bad. I am almost certain it will be supported by the XIM 4 once it comes out.

Can't wait to get my hands on one!

But that $150 price tag is a bit crazy.

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Re: New mouse Logitech G900 !!!
« Reply #2 on: 08:39 AM - 04/01/16 »
I just ordered mionix castor. I don't know if I should return it. The box is still unopened

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Re: New mouse Logitech G900 !!!
« Reply #3 on: 09:49 AM - 04/01/16 »
Placed a order on the g900 after one of the admin confirmed that if it didn't work,they would fix it trough firmware update.  It's seems just perfect!   :)

As for the mionix castor (had that one in mind for awhile too) i would dropp it due to the fact that it is not navi
10 000 dpi.. Cpu upscale it. I've tried the naos 7000 using the same 3010 sensor, and  both the Logitech  g502 and the deathader chroma was way better.

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Re: New mouse Logitech G900 !!!
« Reply #4 on: 09:52 AM - 04/01/16 »
Mine is out for delivery today.  I will post impressions after spending some time with it tonight.

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Re: New mouse Logitech G900 !!!
« Reply #5 on: 12:00 PM - 04/01/16 »
Thanks. I just returned it.

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Re: New mouse Logitech G900 !!!
« Reply #6 on: 09:40 AM - 04/04/16 »
Spent the weekend playing with the G900.  Just my (not so) quick take on it for those that asked.  Overall thoughts on the mouse are extremely positive.

First off, the wireless performance seems as advertised.  I say seems, because I didn't do any formal testing, but I notice no difference whatsoever between using this mouse in wired or wireless mode, or any difference between this mouse wireless and my G502.  This goes for PC as well as XIM4, because XIM4 obviously doesn't poll at 1ms, I want to make that clear.  Now in my setup, I use a logitech G13, which is wired, so I still use my Roccat Apuri USB hub.  I put the mini receiver for the G900 in the hub so it is only about 1 to 2 feet or so away from the mouse, depending on whether I'm at the top or bottom of my pad, so I can't speak to how wireless would perform if you wanted to use it across the room and couch game all wireless.  I think it's rated for 30' or something like that, but I can't confirm performance from farther away.  I'd recommend using the USB cable with the extender for the receiver to get as close to mouse as possible.

If you are wondering why I got a wireless mouse to use with a wired keyboard and USB hub, although I hate cable clutter as much as the next person, the main draw for me of a wireless mouse is the freedom of movement with no cord.  I have used a dedicated mouse bungee and also the one on my Apuri, and although they help a lot, it still isn't the same feeling of freedom as wireless.  I'd also be more inclined to use this mouse with the Sony Nav, if it had more buttons, which is about the only con I have with it, but I'll address that more, later on.

On the subject of movement, the glide on this mouse is noticeably and completely superior to my G502.  I don't know if it can be attributed to one thing, but maybe it's a combo of things, but it is that much better.  The mouse is lighter, and you feel that.  It has no cord, and you feel that.  The parts I'm not sure of, but probably also play a part, is that the surface area for the feet is much larger on the G900 than the G502.  Probably a contributing factor, though if the only parts of the G502 that touch the pad or desk are the feet, then it shouldn't matter that much.  Possibly the material of the feet are different on the G900?  Not sure.  All I know is I've used the G502 for a long time with the factory feet, as well as with 2 different sets of brand new tournament feet from Hotline and it never felt the way that the G900 does when mousing over the same surfaces.

In terms of ergonomics, the mouse is very comfortable.  I wish it were a little bigger all around, but the shape is definitely well conceived.  It allows me to palm it and with the concavity towards the middle, I can grasp it with my ring and pinky, so that they remain off the pad without a pinky rest, or a thumb rest for that matter.  Reminds me of the Intellimouse, just longer.

Feel of the mouse in terms of the material is also very good.  To keep the mouse light, they did away with the rubber grips that were on the G502.  This is a textured plastic, that  feels kind of like the plastic on the G700s, but better. Very good grip.  Comfy and doesn't seem to be affected by the oils or sweat of my hand at all.

Buttons.  First off, the click of the newly designed hinge for the LMB and RMB is fantastic.  Very responsive and very satisfying click.  Not that the G502 wasn't also great in this regard, but these are just a bit better.  As for the side buttons, they are likewise great.  The click on them, the shape of them, and the ease of removal and addition via the magnetic attachment design, are all great.  The scroll wheel is improved from the G502 all around.  The click when in non scroll free mode is better, the click of middle mouse click is better, and the left and right scroll buttons are much better.  I found those 2 very inconsistent on the G502, and as a result, I never used them.  Because of the button situation of this mouse, I decided to try them again, and they are perfectly viable for even the most critical tasks.  Currently I use scroll right for Triangle (switch weapon) and left scroll for Circle (melee for most games) and they perform very well.  It is very simple to body shot with a sniper and flick my index from from LMB to right scroll in a fast fluid motion to switch to a pistol or hand cannon and finish off the opponent. It is 100% reliable and has never failed.  Flipping back and forth from primary to secondary over and over when being fidgety also works perfectly and just as fast as when it is set to any other button.  Likewise middle finger flicks to left scroll melee without fail and can be down quickly in the heat of battle.  Some use scroll up to switch weapons, but in a game like Destiny, where you need to hold triangle down to go to orbit and such, made that not an option.  Because of the lack of buttons, it made me try out the left and right scroll, and I'm glad I did.  These are incredibly improved.  Also, no issue binding the DPI Up and Down buttons (unlike with the G502 Spectrum initially)  so all good there.  The buttons are farther back than on the G502 and harder to hit though, so if you want them out of the way, this is good news, but bad if you used them for critical controls.

The button situation isn't all rosy.  I have my mouse setup with all 4 side buttons attached.  As a righty, I have no problem hitting either the forward or back buttons on the left side.  Could they be a little further forward?  Yeah, but the buttons are designed in a way that I can actually rest my thumb on both of them at the same time yet push them independently without ever lifting my thumb or changing position, so they are fine where they are.  On the right side, I can slide my ring finger to hit the forward button, but the back button is extremely difficult to hit and causes me to totally change my grip to do so.  As a result, I don't use the right back button for anything, and I only assign my right forward button to things like activating Super in Destiny or Specialist Ability in Blops.  It's still easy enough to access without fail, but they are things you only use 2 or 3 times a match, so not too, too critical.  Now maybe claw grippers would be able to use all 4 side buttons, but for me, I can only use 3, and one of the 3 I wouldn't want to use all the time.  Thankfully the left and right scroll work so superbly or I would have to totally change my play style and bind more buttons on the kb, which I may eventually do, but at least now I can ease into it.

The sensor is the sensor.  You know what you're getting.  The pixart 3366 is the Truth and works no differently in this mouse.  If there are any improvements or steps back, I can't notice any.  Tracks perfectly, just like the G502.  Was never really any doubt about that.

The only things that would make the mouse perfect to me would be making it a little bigger all around as mentioned, and adding more buttons.  I wish that they had designed it to have 2 rows of buttons on top of one another on either side.  That way you could have all four slots covered for no side buttons, 2 buttons on left and right covered, 2 on right and left covered, 2 on right and left, or 4 on the left and right covered, or 4 on the right and left covered.  This would make it more customizable as having 2 on each side doesn't really work for righty or lefty as I doubt that either can hit the back button on the opposite side too easily.  Giving the ability to move the button configs around is a great start and makes the mouse truly ambi, but going that step further would not only preserve its ambi nature, but make it more attractive to those looking for more than just 2 side buttons.  Hopefully that's something they do for the next version.

All in all, I'm keeping the mouse and using it as my main.  The freedom of movement from the lack of cord, especially considering no noticeable difference in reliability while wireless, and better glide, coupled with ergonomics and feel of the buttons, makes this an easy mouse to recommend.  In short, it's expensive lol, but pretty awesome.
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Re: New mouse Logitech G900 !!!
« Reply #7 on: 09:59 AM - 04/04/16 »
how are the g502 sidebuttons compared to the g900 ones?
my biggest problem is that the g502 sidebuttons are way too far placed near the rear of the mouse
i like sidebuttons close to the front such as with the mx518, g400, ...
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Re: New mouse Logitech G900 !!!
« Reply #8 on: 10:10 AM - 04/04/16 »
how are the g502 sidebuttons compared to the g900 ones?
my biggest problem is that the g502 sidebuttons are way too far placed near the rear of the mouse
i like sidebuttons close to the front such as with the mx518, g400, ...

They are closer to the front than on the G502, but not by a lot.  The forward button is long so it extends closer to the front.  The back button is easier to hit than the back button on the G502, as well.  They aren't as far forward as the ones on the G602 if memory serves, but I could be misremembering.

You'll notice a difference, but you may still want them closer.  Just a guess.

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Re: New mouse Logitech G900 !!!
« Reply #9 on: 10:54 AM - 04/04/16 »
Have you tried playing with buttons on each side of the mouse? Thoughts?

I really wish they they had added three buttons to each side using a layout similar to the G500.
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Re: New mouse Logitech G900 !!!
« Reply #10 on: 10:58 AM - 04/04/16 »
Anyone know if there's enough button to play with the NAV Controler ?

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Re: New mouse Logitech G900 !!!
« Reply #11 on: 11:13 AM - 04/04/16 »
Have you tried playing with buttons on each side of the mouse? Thoughts?

I really wish they they had added three buttons to each side using a layout similar to the G500.

Yes I have.  In my experience I've found that as a righty the 2 on the left side are extremely easy to access and work great.  Of the 2 on the right side, only the forward button is easy to access by sliding my ring finger up a bit, and the back button on the right side requires me to totally change my grip on the mouse to access with my ring or pinky fingers.

I wish they would have made it 4 buttons on each side as a possible config, by having 2 rows of 2.  and then giving you 4 sets of covers so you could have 4 on 1 side, 2 on each, 2 on 1 side, etc.

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Re: New mouse Logitech G900 !!!
« Reply #12 on: 11:22 AM - 04/04/16 »
Thanks. I don't know if I would want to get used to using both sides of the mouse anyway. Yes, more buttons would have been great. Two on the side just isn't enough for me after having used their other mice.
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Re: New mouse Logitech G900 !!!
« Reply #13 on: 11:34 AM - 04/04/16 »
Anyone know if there's enough button to play with the NAV Controler ?

There are, but you would have to be willing to use the left and right scroll as buttons probably.

Whether righty or lefty, you can hit the 2 side buttons on your normal side no problem.  The 2 on the other side if you decide to use all four, you may not be able to.  I can hit only the forward button on the opposite side.  The back button on the opposite side isn't practical.  The DPI buttons are pretty far back from the left and right clicks so they are harder to use on this mouse.

As a for instance, on my G502 I bind:

LMB - R2 (Fire)
RMB - R1 (Grenade/Melee)
DPI Up - Triangle (Switch Weapon)
DPI Down - Secondary combo Bind (Destiny Super or BO3 Specialist Ability)
Sniper - Square (Reload)
Forward - X (Jump)
Back -Circle (Melee usually)
Scroll Wheel Click - R3 (Crouch)

Then Nav:

L1 - L1 (Grenade/Tactical)
L2 -L2 (ADS)
L3 - L3 (Sprint)
Dpad - Dpad
Circle - Options
X - Touchpad

I use a logitech G13 keyboard now, so I have more buttons at my disposal, but if I wanted to replicate this setup on the G900, I could, but I'd have to be willing to use the left and right scroll buttons.  Now it happens that they are exceptional on this mouse, so I do use them, but if you are not really feeling using them, then a Nav may not work out.

The G502 and G900 have the exact same number of buttons, which is 11, but the difference is that 3 side buttons are easily accessible on the same side by your thumb, with 2 DPI buttons being easily accessible by your index finger, so 5 easily accessible buttons without even getting to the scroll wheel yet.  The G900 has 2 easily accessible side buttons by your thumb, with one fairly accessible button on the other side with your ring finger, and another that is not practical to access by either ring or pinky, at least not with my grip.  And then the DPI buttons are somewhat accessible by index, but they are pretty far back from left click, so that is a pretty far distance and long time, in videogame time, to have your finger off of shoot.  So same amount of buttons on each mouse, but definitely a greater number of easily accessible buttons on the G502.

If you are willing to use the left and right scroll buttons on the scroll wheel, which again are fantastic, you could easily make this work with a Nav.  If not, I don't think it's manageable, unless you have a grip that makes hitting the side buttons on each side a piece of cake.  I don't and I'm not sure what kind of grip would do the trick. Fingertip Claw with ring and pinky stationed on the opposite side buttons maybe, but that's about it.

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Re: New mouse Logitech G900 !!!
« Reply #14 on: 11:42 AM - 04/04/16 »
Thanks. I don't know if I would want to get used to using both sides of the mouse anyway. Yes, more buttons would have been great. Two on the side just isn't enough for me after having used their other mice.

Definitely not ideal, but it works fine for me thanks to the left and right scroll buttons being so good.  They require little movement to activate yet I have never activated them by accident.  They have never failed to register when I mean to push them either unlike on the G502.

2 rows of 4 configurable on either side would have been the better option, but may have added weight or required a different shape, so I can understand the direction, but I'd like to see what a mouse with that config looks like and would probably use it over this.

Still love this mouse though and for those that use kb and don't use a ton of actions on the mouse like I do, it's an even easier sell... minus the price lol.