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SandhawC Cheating or an aid?
« on: 06:53 AM - 01/15/16 »
so i was looking on the commander page and just heard of this topic that everyone has been talking about. i was really surprised with the mixed opinions are regarding to this new programme/ software/ add-on. for those who dont know its called SandhawC and from what it understand it is a software that can be used with the xim to help you with the way you play. from what ive been reading through these topics though it seems like SandhawC is more of an exploit/cheat more then a tool to help ximmers. i love the fact that this xim/SH can be a way to open a pavement for those with disabilities to be able to game, but at the same time i do feel like a lot more will be aware of how they can use this to gain a potentially unfair advantage.

i was hoping for someone could actually educate me on how SandhawC works, and how this could benefit all ximmers without it being used as a "cheat" and what this means for the future of xim, and if this is going to be installed in a future update for the manager. sorry if i sound ignorant on saying how i think SandhawC sounds like an exploit, from what i know and ive heard, i can only assume that this may be a form of cheating/hacking/exploiting to gain an unfair advantage, and thus tarnish the reputation that many people of the xim community have fought for and gained since its release

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Re: SandhawC Cheating or an aid?
« Reply #1 on: 08:54 AM - 01/15/16 »
I would say you make it what you want and live with your decisions . Some people consider XIM overall a cheating device…again your choice of what you want to think.

Yes you can utilized SC for cheating with the proper knowledge of scripting, but again anything can be exploited and utilized for cheating.

Some people use SC to bring in devices not otherwise supported by XIM alone, for example steering wheels, joysticks, etc… be aware this is not as 123 easy and goes, some or a lot of windows and scripting knowledge is required.

I say try it, test, fail and achieve and most important have fun man, stop worrying about what others have to say or do.
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Re: SandhawC Cheating or an aid?
« Reply #2 on: 09:33 AM - 01/15/16 »
As you know, XIM as a product is against macros and will never support it. That said, yes, people have been using Commander for macros since it was introduced with XIM3. The intention behind it is to further enable accessibility community, give the convenience of sharing a mouse and keyboard easily between your XIM4 and PC, and support hardware devices that we currently don't support. A byproduct is that since it's hosted using a PC, you run other programs to simulate keypresses outside of Commander to gain an advantage. This is something I don't support, but, I can't stop it with without affecting our accessibility community.
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Re: SandhawC Cheating or an aid?
« Reply #3 on: 09:47 AM - 01/15/16 »
Ask any controller player what they think is less fair:

1) someone using a jump macro (oh shucks!)
or
2) a player using mouse and keyboard (W T F!!!!?!??!!)

The answer is obvious.  There's no room for self righteousness here.

For me I use whatever helps, and for the most part, nothing that sandhawk does actually helps.  I've tried jump macros (BO3), doubletap boost (AW), and rapid fire - but nothing for more than a day or two.... because it either hurt my game, or it was more trouble than it was worth. I have no problem with people who are helped by it though.

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Re: SandhawC Cheating or an aid?
« Reply #4 on: 09:48 AM - 01/15/16 »
I use sandhawc mainly as a KVM Switcher alternative which imo certainly isnt cheating :)
Helps greatly to eg handle the pc capture card while playing
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Re: SandhawC Cheating or an aid?
« Reply #5 on: 12:05 PM - 01/15/16 »
This is something I don't support, but, I can't stop it with without affecting our accessibility community.

Finally he speaks on the subject. Thank you, for clearing that up.
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Re: SandhawC Cheating or an aid?
« Reply #6 on: 12:08 PM - 01/15/16 »
Ask any controller player what they think is less fair:

1) someone using a jump macro (oh shucks!)
or
2) a player using mouse and keyboard (W T F!!!!?!??!!)


Ask the controller player what he thinks of someone using both..
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Re: SandhawC Cheating or an aid?
« Reply #7 on: 12:19 PM - 01/15/16 »
Ask any controller player what they think is less fair:

1) someone using a jump macro (oh shucks!)
or
2) a player using mouse and keyboard (W T F!!!!?!??!!)


Ask the controller player what he thinks of someone using both..
Just did. Asked two people who I play with all the time (who uses a controller). They just said "doesn't matter, your cheating regardless".

I think this would be your consensus response.

Remember - many modded controllers can do macro commands - NO controller can do what the XIM does.

If your looking to feel good about using a XIM, and reprimand people who use macros - your a hypocrite.

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Re: SandhawC Cheating or an aid?
« Reply #8 on: 12:22 PM - 01/15/16 »
I asked two aswell, they said XIM is fine, Sanhawc is hacks.
See how this works?
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Re: SandhawC Cheating or an aid?
« Reply #9 on: 12:28 PM - 01/15/16 »
Oh, you must have asked the controller players who banned the XIM from competitive FPS.

Nobody even knows the XIM can do macros, the fact that you can control movement at 20 sensitivity is enough for people to label it as cheating.

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Re: SandhawC Cheating or an aid?
« Reply #10 on: 12:32 PM - 01/15/16 »
Dale, lad, listen, I really don't care lol.
I'm just point out your hypocrisy.. 

Sure my views are that it tarnishes the name of XIM.
But I'm being vocal because its funny what you're doing and bow you go about things.

If you could figure a way to WH on Console you would.
I'd put both my family jewels on that one. And your forehead.

Have a nice day.
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Re: SandhawC Cheating or an aid?
« Reply #11 on: 12:43 PM - 01/15/16 »
There's no hypocrisy here.

I've said that I would use macros if I thought they were helpful - and I don't blame people who do.  I've also admitted to cheating while playing PC gaming , cause many many people do. Nothing but honesty here.

Your the hypocrite who uses a XIM - and then reprimands people who use jump macros.

Get over yourself.

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Re: SandhawC Cheating or an aid?
« Reply #12 on: 12:58 PM - 01/15/16 »
It's not me reprimanding people..

It's you xD.

You played PC and left because of HAX xD.
Then you come to Console, and say that XIM is basically cheating and use it on a competitive platform xD.

FML mate you're a joke.. It's cool, just go on and on and onnnnnn.. Go on I'll let you have the last word.
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Re: SandhawC Cheating or an aid?
« Reply #13 on: 01:03 PM - 01/15/16 »
I left PC because of Wallhacks, Aimbots, and worse.

I didn't leave PC because people made macros - that's something PC players do ALL the time.

Thanks for the last word- Ill use it to call you an idiot. Good day sir.

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Re: SandhawC Cheating or an aid?
« Reply #14 on: 01:11 PM - 01/15/16 »
PSYCH

I'm an idiot because PC players use macros all the time..
So that's your justification for using Macros on a platform where nobody but XIM and TitanOne/CronusMax users can use Macro's...

IE non of the legal census of GB/MLG players..

GG WP NO RE..

You Mong lol.
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