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Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)
« Reply #450 on: 10:38 PM - 01/21/16 »
I get insane mouse acceleration with this setup. Is is just me. I am using 4K DPI (max) on my Logitech G400S

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Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)
« Reply #451 on: 12:53 AM - 01/22/16 »
I recently updated to this config (the full one). I have the exact same setup (g502, Nav) except that I play Destiny on the PS4.

As expected I had to swap some buttons around but otherwise it works good. Actually, it works really good - if you stick to the hardware/DPI settings RML uses (8k DPI, g502, 500 polling).

If you do, or you do the conversions right for your hardware/sens levels, you'll get one of the smoothest Destiny experiences around. Playing with this config/curves is night and day from anything else I've tried. Some of the alternate switches, particularly mounting the bike, etc. take some getting used to - I might try remapping those keys, not a huge fan of clicking the mousewheel left or right. That's just me though. I really like the sprint config, makes sprinting more natural feeling and turn speed is good.

I suspect people having trouble with it is because they are either mixing/matching different parts of the config or using different mice/different DPI levels. Destiny is touchy; I wonder even if converting the DPI/sens levels with the calc will help. At 8k using RML's settings it's pretty much perfect but that might also be the 502 factoring in.

Anyway, thanks for the config!

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Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)
« Reply #452 on: 01:31 AM - 01/22/16 »
I recently updated to this config (the full one). I have the exact same setup (g502, Nav) except that I play Destiny on the PS4.

As expected I had to swap some buttons around but otherwise it works good. Actually, it works really good - if you stick to the hardware/DPI settings RML uses (8k DPI, g502, 500 polling).

If you do, or you do the conversions right for your hardware/sens levels, you'll get one of the smoothest Destiny experiences around. Playing with this config/curves is night and day from anything else I've tried. Some of the alternate switches, particularly mounting the bike, etc. take some getting used to - I might try remapping those keys, not a huge fan of clicking the mousewheel left or right. That's just me though. I really like the sprint config, makes sprinting more natural feeling and turn speed is good.

I suspect people having trouble with it is because they are either mixing/matching different parts of the config or using different mice/different DPI levels. Destiny is touchy; I wonder even if converting the DPI/sens levels with the calc will help. At 8k using RML's settings it's pretty much perfect but that might also be the 502 factoring in.

Anyway, thanks for the config!

Doesn't he use 4k DPI?

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Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)
« Reply #453 on: 01:39 AM - 01/22/16 »
Doesn't he use 4k DPI?

Yes, but that's 4K on a 3360 sensor, which makes a world of difference compared to a native 4K DPI mouse.

The acceleration in RML's setup is to combat Destiny's slow turn-speed. You can try it without the curves, or just remove the ADS curve for a more 1:1 experience, though you may need to increase Xim sensitivity to compensate.

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Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)
« Reply #454 on: 01:53 AM - 01/22/16 »
Hey natu, can you try to describe what you don't like about the acceleration? Are you talking about Hip or ADS? Are you using a KB or Sony Nav?

I just got home from a party and TBH, I'm dead tired. But I will follow up with your answers in the morning.

One quick suggestion. Some people have had issues with my setup because they're using a KB and assigning ADS to right click. That can be an issue because I assign ADS to the trigger of the NAV.

So, if you're using right click for ADS make sure you chg. ADS activation to right click.

I hope that helps.

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Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)
« Reply #455 on: 04:23 AM - 01/22/16 »
Hey natu, can you try to describe what you don't like about the acceleration? Are you talking about Hip or ADS? Are you using a KB or Sony Nav?

I just got home from a party and TBH, I'm dead tired. But I will follow up with your answers in the morning.

One quick suggestion. Some people have had issues with my setup because they're using a KB and assigning ADS to right click. That can be an issue because I assign ADS to the trigger of the NAV.

So, if you're using right click for ADS make sure you chg. ADS activation to right click.

I hope that helps.

Thanks for the quick reply, I'm just using a keyboard and mouse (logitech g400s @4k dpi, 500 hz). Hip is fine, to be honest, it's the ADS. I already switched the keys to right click so the ADS would activate (before I complained about the MA).

The hip has the same kind of problem, but for hip it doesn't really matter to me, it's just the ADS that makes it pretty annoying to snipe.

Edit1: I don't know if the sensitivity is the issue as per the above posts, but I can't really test a higher sens right now (servers are down), but the MA is pretty bad. I have a QcK+.

So,  imagine a number line up to 10, if I swipe slowly it will go from 1 to 10 (covering a longer distance), if i swipe quickly it will go from 1 to 5 (covering a shorter distance).

Edit2: What is your DPI exactly when you made this Destiny setup? I know your signature says 4K, but in the pictures where you show your key setup for your mouse its set at 8K.

Thing's I've tried, upping my sens to 50 / 22.25 (doubling it, assuming you had 8K dpi) -- makes the acceleration kind of worse but a bit easier to handle the ADS, I suppose, but it's just an insane amount of MA

Also, just to clarify your sensitivity setting in destiny is set to max (10), correct? I'm just trying to figure out if I looked over something,

Edit3: Before, I go to bed, the only thing I can think of is maybe the release candidate firmware (20160104) and manager is a bit different in copying and pasting the code (I use a PC for the manager).
« Last Edit: 04:51 AM - 01/22/16 by natu-_- »

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Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)
« Reply #456 on: 07:42 AM - 01/22/16 »
Is it possible to bind a button twice so it will activate as if I double tap?
Also, will the curves in the first post work with the newest firmware/manager?
« Last Edit: 07:54 AM - 01/22/16 by splinter36 »

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Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)
« Reply #457 on: 09:16 AM - 01/22/16 »
Doesn't he use 4k DPI?

Good question - looks like Natu has the same one. All the pics, etc. in his guide show 8k DPI but his sig says 4k. I'm using the same sens as in his config - I pasted the full one in to a new profile and worked off it.

I can try 4k but it feels pretty good to me at 8, to be honest.

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Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)
« Reply #458 on: 10:11 AM - 01/22/16 »
Hey natu, can you try to describe what you don't like about the acceleration? Are you talking about Hip or ADS? Are you using a KB or Sony Nav?

I just got home from a party and TBH, I'm dead tired. But I will follow up with your answers in the morning.

One quick suggestion. Some people have had issues with my setup because they're using a KB and assigning ADS to right click. That can be an issue because I assign ADS to the trigger of the NAV.

So, if you're using right click for ADS make sure you chg. ADS activation to right click.

I hope that helps.

Thanks for the quick reply, I'm just using a keyboard and mouse (logitech g400s @4k dpi, 500 hz). Hip is fine, to be honest, it's the ADS. I already switched the keys to right click so the ADS would activate (before I complained about the MA).

The hip has the same kind of problem, but for hip it doesn't really matter to me, it's just the ADS that makes it pretty annoying to snipe.

Edit1: I don't know if the sensitivity is the issue as per the above posts, but I can't really test a higher sens right now (servers are down), but the MA is pretty bad. I have a QcK+.

So,  imagine a number line up to 10, if I swipe slowly it will go from 1 to 10 (covering a longer distance), if i swipe quickly it will go from 1 to 5 (covering a shorter distance).

Edit2: What is your DPI exactly when you made this Destiny setup? I know your signature says 4K, but in the pictures where you show your key setup for your mouse its set at 8K.

Thing's I've tried, upping my sens to 50 / 22.25 (doubling it, assuming you had 8K dpi) -- makes the acceleration kind of worse but a bit easier to handle the ADS, I suppose, but it's just an insane amount of MA

Also, just to clarify your sensitivity setting in destiny is set to max (10), correct? I'm just trying to figure out if I looked over something,

Edit3: Before, I go to bed, the only thing I can think of is maybe the release candidate firmware (20160104) and manager is a bit different in copying and pasting the code (I use a PC for the manager).

I set this up at 8,000 DPI. I switched to 4000 dpi for BO3, I haven't tested 4000 dpi with Destiny but by doubling your sens you should be close to what I was experiencing at 8000.

I added the acceleration to ADS because of Aim Assist on consoles. Sniper rifles are a bit of a known issue with a curve like this, I used to have other settings just for sniper that I removed because things were getting a little too confusing.

You can simply remove the acceleration by removing the ballistic curve.

It should be noted that ALOT of people never use Advanced Settings and swear by pure 1:1. I'm not one of them! However, my setups aren't for everyone. We all have our personal preferences. I will never use 1:1 with Destiny because the turn speed with HIP, Sparrow and Sprint is just TOO slow for me. ADS is a possibility for using the Vanilla ST, but you would have to raise your sens even higher then my settings and Aim Assist will be stronger. Still, some people like strong AA and in your case with sniping that may be true for you. The key to getting your sensitivity as high as possible really comes down to TWO things.

1. Riding the red light. It's ok to get the red light flash for exceeding the turn limit just don't over due it. Another words, I don't care if it's flashing so long as my mouse movement reflects what I'm seeing on the screen. If you feel like your wasting movement, then your sens is too high. OR

2. Use consistent mouse movement. I've said this now probably a thousand times on this forum and it's probably the single most important rule for all XIM users. You need to use slower consistent mouse movement in order to achieve the fastest turn speed possible. I suggest not swiping your mouse further then 6 inches per second. Twitch movements (like on PC) will not register properly with XIM. This is because of the console games Turn speed limits.

The bottom line is this isn't PC and IMO you pretty much need MA to make this game more enjoyable to play. I'm not pleased with it either, but it is the nature of the beast with games like this on console  unfortunately.

You can only use these curves and codes with the latest firmware/manager. If you go back to 1114 you won't be able to paste them correctly, it will just be squiggly lines!

Is it possible to bind a button twice so it will activate as if I double tap?
Also, will the curves in the first post work with the newest firmware/manager?

This is only possible with a macro, see a few post back for your first answer. Second answer, YES and only with the latest firmware/manager. By latest I mean the latest in the release candidate section.  ;)
« Last Edit: 10:46 AM - 01/22/16 by RML »

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Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)
« Reply #459 on: 02:59 PM - 01/22/16 »
I knew there was a reason it felt "right" at 8k dpi :)

Agree with you re: Destiny. The COD games, BF, etc. you can more or less get away with 1:1, in fact unless you really know what you are doing curves will make it worse, but for this game (and I would maybe include Halo 5 as well) curves are pretty much mandatory. Sprinting alone in Destiny is a real problem without them; with RML's config it is pretty spot on.

Glad I updated to the g502 and not just for this, it is a pretty sweet mouse (and is on sale now because the new version - which just has flashier lights - is out).

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Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)
« Reply #460 on: 08:39 PM - 01/22/16 »
It makes sense why it felt so bad at 4K DPI. If you have mouse acceleration and your sensitivity is slow, it's unbearable. I haven't tried anything today, but at the very least I know that was probably the problem.

Does a 1:1 curve honestly remove mouse accelleration? I remember playing it on default settings and it felt kind of bad. I do have a question, though.

So, from what I have gathered the Xim 4 can't maybe handle me swiping my mouse super fast on my big mousepad. If I had a mouse with higher DPI would it be able to handle faster swiping? Or is it just the games limit and me buying a mouse that can achieve more than 4K DPI would be useless?

Edit: I mean my goal is to play with a slow sensitivity with no MA, is that possible? Playing at basically the sens you had cut in half is what I like.
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Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)
« Reply #461 on: 10:31 PM - 01/22/16 »
Hi RML

Can you please help me with a sniper curve , that's all I use TLW+sniper.  The problem I'm facing is I'm missing shots so close to the head. Thank you

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Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)
« Reply #462 on: 10:44 AM - 01/23/16 »
All right- another update from my continued XIM4 evolution. 

I've been continuing to tinker with my button layout, as I understand the concepts of having the different setups for different situations (HIPS, ADS, sprint, sparrow).  Ignoring the sparrow setup for now since PVP is my main reason for trying to improve my game, I'm fully on board with HIPS and ADS, but I have a question about the Sprint setup. (which is why I veered away from RML's original setup of dedicated sprint button on the NAV and went with my old school '90s PC FPS concept of ADS with right button).

It seems to me like Sprint in Destiny is activated by pressing the left stick, and then you'll be in sprint mode for brief period of time.  Then things like hitting B to slide, or X to reload, will drop you out of sprint mode, requiring you to press the left stick again when you want to start running again.  I'm not even certain whether or not you'll drop out of sprint mode if you get 'tired' like in other FPS games.  Understanding how Destiny treats Sprint would go a long way in helping me get a good XIM4 setup.

How often do you guys use Sprint Mode?  Do you just press and hold it when you want to Sprint or do you need to re-press often to maintain the sprint mode?

The Sony NAV controller doesn't ergonomically feel that great to me, and the G13 button layouts don't feel great either (especially when trying to dedicate a sprint key, which I personally am holding down the majority of the time).  I just had my own personal Eureka moment yesterday when I picked up the Xbox gamepad to use in my left hand, while using the mouse in my right.  WOW.  the only ergonomic issue I see there is the weight of the right side of the controller, but I can just rest in on my armrest.  So I feel this was a big breakthrough personally for me, and the 2 or 3 matches I've played with this setup have been my best performances so far with XIM.  I still need to tweak some of the layouts of where melee's and grenades are coming from, but I think I'm on the right track, and might start looking at a Sparrow setup to use XIM full time in Destiny instead of just PVP.

Thanks for the continued discussion, and great videos RML, you're doing a great service to the community!

TheWalt

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Has there been any talk of being able to work on XIM profiles in an 'offline' mode?  Where you don't need to be connected to the XIM by bluetooth?

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Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)
« Reply #463 on: 12:00 PM - 01/23/16 »
All right- another update from my continued XIM4 evolution. 

I've been continuing to tinker with my button layout, as I understand the concepts of having the different setups for different situations (HIPS, ADS, sprint, sparrow).  Ignoring the sparrow setup for now since PVP is my main reason for trying to improve my game, I'm fully on board with HIPS and ADS, but I have a question about the Sprint setup. (which is why I veered away from RML's original setup of dedicated sprint button on the NAV and went with my old school '90s PC FPS concept of ADS with right button).

It seems to me like Sprint in Destiny is activated by pressing the left stick, and then you'll be in sprint mode for brief period of time.  Then things like hitting B to slide, or X to reload, will drop you out of sprint mode, requiring you to press the left stick again when you want to start running again.  I'm not even certain whether or not you'll drop out of sprint mode if you get 'tired' like in other FPS games.  Understanding how Destiny treats Sprint would go a long way in helping me get a good XIM4 setup.

How often do you guys use Sprint Mode?  Do you just press and hold it when you want to Sprint or do you need to re-press often to maintain the sprint mode?

The Sony NAV controller doesn't ergonomically feel that great to me, and the G13 button layouts don't feel great either (especially when trying to dedicate a sprint key, which I personally am holding down the majority of the time).  I just had my own personal Eureka moment yesterday when I picked up the Xbox gamepad to use in my left hand, while using the mouse in my right.  WOW.  the only ergonomic issue I see there is the weight of the right side of the controller, but I can just rest in on my armrest.  So I feel this was a big breakthrough personally for me, and the 2 or 3 matches I've played with this setup have been my best performances so far with XIM.  I still need to tweak some of the layouts of where melee's and grenades are coming from, but I think I'm on the right track, and might start looking at a Sparrow setup to use XIM full time in Destiny instead of just PVP.

Thanks for the continued discussion, and great videos RML, you're doing a great service to the community!

TheWalt

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Has there been any talk of being able to work on XIM profiles in an 'offline' mode?  Where you don't need to be connected to the XIM by bluetooth?

Pretty much everything you're describing is EXACTLY why I decided to use HOLD behavior instead of toggle for the Sprint config. and why I said otherwise it's very frustrating at times. There are a lot of variables with this game while sprinting. The one's I remember, ADS, Reload, Slide and fire all disable sprint. Keep in mind XIM4 didn't have the toggle deactivation keys when I created this. That feature was added later. So now those deactivation keys could be used to help you toggle sprint so that you don't get stuck in your sprint config while NOT sprinting.

However, there's still one little problem with the games mechanics that still leads me to believe that HOLD behavior is the best option. If you sprint for awhile your character becomes tired. So if you stop sprinting while the character is tired you have to wait a few seconds before you're capable of sprinting again. So if you're using toggle mode and you try to sprint, and your character refuses, you now find yourself still in HIP mode but you've activated the sprint config. Then, when you press sprint again and your character starts sprinting, you've just deactivated sprint and you're now sprinting with the HIP config.

Good Luck!  ;)

BTW, if you're enjoying the analog movement of using your controller I would suggest giving the NAV another try and just stick with it for about a week, force it!  :P

I didn't like the NAV at first either and I'm still not a huge fan. But IMO analog movement trumps KB movement and you can get used to the NAV. It takes a bit of practice though for sure.


Hi RML

Can you please help me with a sniper curve , that's all I use TLW+sniper.  The problem I'm facing is I'm missing shots so close to the head. Thank you

I'll look around and see if I still have my old settings somewhere. The real problem though is almost every sniper rifle has different aim assist, which gun are you using?

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Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)
« Reply #464 on: 12:36 PM - 01/23/16 »

Hi RML

Can you please help me with a sniper curve , that's all I use TLW+sniper.  The problem I'm facing is I'm missing shots so close to the head. Thank you

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I'll look around and see if I still have my old settings somewhere. The real problem though is almost every sniper rifle has different aim assist, which gun are you using?


Thank you for replying
I'm using the 1000 yard stare
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