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Re: Tough time for Sony Corp
« Reply #15 on: 08:25 AM - 02/07/14 »
Sony Vaio Z laptops were dope

They very well may be. But did you go out and buy another Vaio afterwards because that one was so "dope"?  If not, it wasn't dope enough.  =)


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Re: Tough time for Sony Corp
« Reply #16 on: 09:44 AM - 02/07/14 »
Sony has and had quality products in almost every department they covered.

Looks like Sony just didnt expect the cheapo mentality to take over so significantly.

Ppl rather buy products that have garbage quality as long as theyre alot cheaper. Sony had and still has some of the best LCD TVs, although theyre pretty expensive most of the time. Same goes for digital cameras etc.

Well IMO they had a very wide range of products they offered, you cant expect everything to stay successful. Same stuff happens everywhere. Companies drop devisions that arent lucrative enough.

Samsung sold its HDD devision, because they werent happy with the profit it generated, etc.

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Re: Tough time for Sony Corp
« Reply #17 on: 09:47 AM - 02/07/14 »
Sony cameras stink. Canon/Nikon/Red and even smaller innovative companies like blackmagic/gopro have them completely dominated in that market. Nobody uses sony in production -

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Re: Tough time for Sony Corp
« Reply #18 on: 09:52 AM - 02/07/14 »
Sony cameras were descent for the mass market. Other than that the other companies you mentioned have only 1 department (camera related). Thats is the downside when you have multiple departments, you cant keep up with the progress everywhere.

Other than that- there are several comparisons of the gopros and the Sony action cameras on YT, and gopro is just trash. Overpriced garbage.

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Re: Tough time for Sony Corp
« Reply #19 on: 10:07 AM - 02/07/14 »
Well, that's why they are dropping those specific divisions... When you clearly lost the battle its the smart move to focus on winning the war.

Something I will say, Sony's style just seems old. The sony action cameras look like they were made in the 1980's.  The action camera markets to 14-25 yr old guys who want something like looks [email protected]#$%.. why make something that looks like an old camcorder?  It probably is better than GOpro. Apple/Samsung re-established their brand almost exclusively on their design... I think Sony would do well to follow that model.

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Re: Tough time for Sony Corp
« Reply #20 on: 10:21 AM - 02/07/14 »
do you mean this kind of action camera?

http://store.sony.com/action-cam/cat-27-catid-Action-Cam

I actually find it better than the cube like camer from go pro. The sony one is for example easier to attach sideways on a motorcycle helmet for example, instead of putting it on top of your helmet (gopro) like a retard with 1 horn.

But thats preference I guess. I still find the sony one is like 50x easier to attach to stuff than the gopro and it looks less "noticable" when you attach it to something. With a gopro its basically like "YO MFERS LOOK HERE, IM FILMING!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!!"



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I mean theres no question which one looks more retarded....
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Re: Tough time for Sony Corp
« Reply #21 on: 10:24 AM - 02/07/14 »
With a gopro its basically like "YO MFERS LOOK HERE, IM FILMING!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!!"

haha yup. thats pretty much everybody who buys a gopro :P

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Re: Tough time for Sony Corp
« Reply #22 on: 12:20 PM - 02/07/14 »
Wrong.

TVs have a huge market dominated by Samsung / LG

Cameras have a huge market dominated by Canon / Nikon

PCs / Laptops are a huge market dominated by Apple/Microsoft

The problem isn't the markets (those are def still there and going strong) its that Sony is doing poorly within those markets.


PCs / Laptops are a huge market dominated by Apple/Microsoft

MS MAKES PCs NOW! LEGENDARY FAIL! LOL

other than that, kinda.. cams are Canon for pros, a couple other brands too, and run of the mill Samsung,wtvr brands for consumers focusing on cheap instead of quality. but the sensors used in many many cameras are Sony's, which you don't seem to know.


TV's from Japanese corps tanked. not Sony's in particular. Samsung and LG litterally crushed everything else on the LCD front, and not even Plasmas got out unscattered (looking at you good old now extinct Panasonic plasmas). there are big ripples on the whole Japanese TV/Panel industry and Sony did very well to cut the roots of evil to cut the dead weight... they need to focus if they want to go back to glory days asap.


Sony never made desktops, just laptops and that market is in heavy decline. i won't even quote an article is all over google and impossible to miss. there is still a big market mind you, decline doesn't mean extinction. but the status quo changed a lot, and Sony's stupid policy of charging extra 200-300 for their name on a product was never going to end well.
but Sony was the first to make a "ultrabook" with a discrete GPU before the term ultrabook was even coined by intel. the Vaio Z was simply the best laptop line to ever exist and completely alone in the premium market, if anything it's only problem was lack of more offerings in the line and market. recent laptops from Sony were better than the 10 to 4 years ago lines but still sub par. they, much like HPs and almost all other brands, always have deep flaws.


Sony is actually doing really well despite what OP thinks. 1.1 billion loss? do you have any idea of the revenue Bertuzzi1616? it's 84 billion son, 1 or 2 billions are NOTHING to speak of considering the reasons for such loss and the profit they will warrant.
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Re: Tough time for Sony Corp
« Reply #23 on: 12:25 PM - 02/07/14 »
after the TV spinoff and Vaio death, Sony is in the best shape it has ever been in the last decade imo. early 00's, apart from innovation and Playstation for me = sh1tiest Sony ever. i hope to God Sony doesn't get to "rein" in any way shape or form and keeps being under heavy pressure, that's the best thing any consumer can ask for, regardless if that consumer buys or not Sony products...

Sony is fundamental for the consumer tech industry to keep moving forward in the current panorama. has been for the last >30 years. and most of the stuff Sony did of bigger relevance and things consumers do not think of. consumers on the mainstream only look at brands and product names, they have no idea of parts,designs,concepts,patents,etc etc etc for a consumer the OEM is where the innovation is at, not in the firm that created the actual tech.
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Re: Tough time for Sony Corp
« Reply #24 on: 12:44 PM - 02/07/14 »
-Microsoft makes a KILLING on PCS- have you heard of windows??? Yeah.... they don't have anything to do with the PC market UGH.

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Sony never made desktops, just laptops and that market is in heavy decline.
That's a sony desktop....

"Sony's re-entry into the global computer market, under the new VAIO brand, began in 1996 with the PCV series of desktops—the PCV-90 was designed with a 3D graphical interface as a novelty for new users"

-Nikon / Canon / RED image sensors are made by Nikon / Canon and RED. Those cameras hold 95% of the market. Your simply talking out of your @#$% and just blindly defending Sony for no reason.

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Re: Tough time for Sony Corp
« Reply #25 on: 12:58 PM - 02/07/14 »
- dale get a number of how many desktops Sony sold in the last 10 years. you'll laugh i promise..


- so for you photo cams are the only things that use such sensors? have you heard of these things called smartphones, tablets, and really all other little cameras that exist in the most varied devices? the brands you mentioned, Sony and a bunch of others more work in doing sensors for several segments and types of cams. there are firms dedicated to doing that (among other things) also. Red really rings a bell of specialised in the cam business, but they have not a broad targeting, instead they are really focused on their aimed niches.

- so you are saying that because MS makes OS and SW that they are crushing Sony's PC HW business? are you really capable of making such an idiotic statement or are you just trolling now?! you do realize every PC Sony makes runs Windows and implies a completely symbiotic relationship between MS and Sony in their PC branches.



as a mere example of Sony's innovation, they made a "camera" that has no "brains" or viewer and is meant to be coupled to a smartphone or tablet. it's not meant to compete with a top tier Canon DSLR. since it's not even an actual camera to you it doesn't even exist.. and btw that 95% you are speaking of, are you limiting the photo cam market to DSLRs? you seem to be..
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Re: Tough time for Sony Corp
« Reply #26 on: 01:05 PM - 02/07/14 »
- dale get a number of how many desktops Sony sold in the last 10 years. you'll laugh i promise..
You were wrong.

- so for you photo cams are the only things that use such sensors? have you heard of these things called smartphones, tablets, and really all other little cameras that exist in the most varied devices? the brands you mentioned, Sony and a bunch of others more work in doing sensors for several segments and types of cams. there are firms dedicated to doing that (among other things) also. Red really rings a bell of specialised in the cam business, but they have not a broad targeting, instead they are really focused on their aimed niches.
You were talking about cameras, and again, you were wrong.

Red cameras are not a "niche".. They are the MOST used camera for feature films / independent films / and TV production. Also feel the need to point out your wrong with that as well.

- so you are saying that because MS makes OS and SW that they are crushing Sony's PC HW business? are you really capable of making such an idiotic statement or are you just trolling now?! you do realize every PC Sony makes runs Windows and implies a completely symbiotic relationship between MS and Sony in their PC branches.
I never said hardware. Go back and read. I said PC/Laptops Apple and Microsoft dominate. Now, who makes more money off PCs? Microsoft who makes 100$ for every copy of windows sold along with a PC, or Sony who's laptop/PC division is closing shop. Wrong again. Sorry

Nobody is attacking your beloved PS4, there is no reason to blindly defend Sony here.

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Re: Tough time for Sony Corp
« Reply #27 on: 01:19 PM - 02/07/14 »
- dale get a number of how many desktops Sony sold in the last 10 years. you'll laugh i promise..
You were wrong.

how old are you? or rather how immature are you? in a thread about billions you are bringing up that they made a couple of devices that sold in a thousands number 20 years ago? dude.....


You were talking about cameras, and again, you were wrong.

Red cameras are not a "niche".. They are the MOST used camera for feature films / independent films / and TV production. Also feel the need to point out your wrong with that as well.

in business talk a slice of market that has unique attributes is called a niche. like people who watch football on TV can be considered a niche. the word doesn't mean what you think it does, it's not mandatory to be a small cut of a market. and even then, you are really defeating your own argument when you talk about film/show makers since that is by definition a small market in numbers compared to the million/billion unit selling consumer space...

how clueless of business can you show us you are really? that's the question. also you seem to be trying to tell me something i don't know, given what it is, that's just cute.. then again you have no idea of who i am or what i know so it figures with that ego and blindness of yours..

- so you are saying that because MS makes OS and SW that they are crushing Sony's PC HW business? are you really capable of making such an idiotic statement or are you just trolling now?! you do realize every PC Sony makes runs Windows and implies a completely symbiotic relationship between MS and Sony in their PC branches.
I never said hardware. Go back and read. I said PC/Laptops Apple and Microsoft dominate. Now, who makes more money off PCs? Microsoft who makes 100$ for every copy of windows sold along with a PC, or Sony who's laptop/PC division is closing shop. Wrong again. Sorry

Nobody is attacking your beloved PS4, there is no reason to blindly defend Sony here.

the people in the thread are talking about Sony's news. they were talking about Sony's performance in the PC market. and you repply that it is a market dominated by Apple and MS. MS doesn't exist in the PC (hw) market, period. therefor it cannot dominate sh1t. that's just a stupid thing you said and (i hope) you know it.

i even go as far as to bet you said MS because other than apple you don't have a clue which OEM dominates PC space. that's really easy to google you know. and that would have prevented you from making a fool of yourself..

but worst thank making a mistake, is refusing to see it.. making a mistake is but human, refusing to see it is just stupid. that you are human i'm sure, the rest is up to you.



people or things are not wrong just because you say they are. you should really learn/research this whole "arguing" and "debating" and "facts" stuff
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Re: Tough time for Sony Corp
« Reply #28 on: 01:22 PM - 02/07/14 »
- dale get a number of how many desktops Sony sold in the last 10 years. you'll laugh i promise..
You were wrong.

how old are you? or rather how immature are you? in a thread about billions you are bringing up that they made a couple of devices that sold in a thousands number 20 years ago? dude.....


You were talking about cameras, and again, you were wrong.

Red cameras are not a "niche".. They are the MOST used camera for feature films / independent films / and TV production. Also feel the need to point out your wrong with that as well.

in business talk a slice of market that has unique attributes is called a niche. like people who watch football on TV can be considered a niche. the word doesn't mean what you think it does, it's not mandatory to be a small cut of a market. and even then, you are really defeating your own argument when you talk about film/show makers since that is by definition a small market in numbers compared to the million/billion unit selling consumer space...

how clueless of business can you show us you are really? that's the question. also you seem to be trying to tell me something i don't know, given what it is, that's just cute.. then again you have no idea of who i am or what i know so it figures with that ego and blindness of yours..

- so you are saying that because MS makes OS and SW that they are crushing Sony's PC HW business? are you really capable of making such an idiotic statement or are you just trolling now?! you do realize every PC Sony makes runs Windows and implies a completely symbiotic relationship between MS and Sony in their PC branches.
I never said hardware. Go back and read. I said PC/Laptops Apple and Microsoft dominate. Now, who makes more money off PCs? Microsoft who makes 100$ for every copy of windows sold along with a PC, or Sony who's laptop/PC division is closing shop. Wrong again. Sorry

Nobody is attacking your beloved PS4, there is no reason to blindly defend Sony here.

the people in the thread are talking about Sony's news. they were talking about Sony's performance in the PC market. and you repply that it is a market dominated by Apple and MS. MS doesn't exist in the PC (hw) market, period. therefor it cannot dominate sh1t. that's just a stupid thing you said and (i hope) you know it.

i even go as far as to bet you said MS because other than apple you don't have a clue which OEM dominates PC space. that's really easy to google you know. and that would have prevented you from making a fool of yourself..

but worst thank making a mistake, is refusing to see it.. making a mistake is but human, refusing to see it is just stupid. that you are human i'm sure, the rest is up to you.



people or things are not wrong just because you say they are. you should really learn/research this whole "arguing" and "debating" and "facts" stuff

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Re: Tough time for Sony Corp
« Reply #29 on: 01:33 PM - 02/07/14 »
Sony is actually doing really well despite what OP thinks. 1.1 billion loss? do you have any idea of the revenue Bertuzzi1616? it's 84 billion son, 1 or 2 billions are NOTHING to speak of considering the reasons for such loss and the profit they will warrant.

http://www.businessinsider.com/sony-warns-of-11-billion-loss-2014-2

"But with core businesses like its smartphone, PCs, TVs and audio operations weaker than it expected through the first nine months of the fiscal year, Sony slashed its full-year operating profit forecast to 80 billion yen from the 170 billion yen it previously expected."

That's 80 billion Yen there, Grandmah. Which is only $781 million. Keep defending them though. I'm only providing facts, I'm not attacking them in anyway.

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