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Next Playstation Rumors
« on: 09:06 AM - 03/28/12 »
From Kotaku

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The Next PlayStation is Called Orbis, Sources Say. Here are the Details.

While the official reveal of Sony's next home console could still be months away, if not longer, Kotaku has today learned some important details concerning the PlayStation 3's successor.

For one, the console's name—or at least its codename/working title—is apparently Orbis. And it's being planned for release in time for the 2013 holiday season.

The details in this story come from a reliable source who is not authorized to talk publicly about next-gen hardware but has shared correct information with us before. What they're telling us in specifics matches much of what we've heard and reported in generalities in recent weeks.

A Sony spokesperson declined to comment about these details, citing the company's policy not to comment on "rumors or speculation."
WHAT'S IN A NAME

Orbis. Say it out loud. Sounds a little like the word "four", doesn't it? Only it doesn't make the next PlayStation sound like a bad horror movie sequel.

It's also a name loaded with meaning. The word "Orbis" itself, from Latin, means circle, or ring, or even orbit. Not terribly helpful. Combine it with the name of Sony's new handheld system, though, and you have the common term Orbis Vita (or, in strict Latin, Orbis Vitae). Which means "The circle of life". Could the Vita be playing a very important role in the development and use of the next PlayStation home console? Maybe!

Such symbolism also suggests that rather than being a codename, like most companies employ when still developing a console (think NGP, or Durango), this might actually be the machine's final name. We don't know that, though, so keep an open mind about things.
The Next PlayStation is Called Orbis, Sources Say. Here are the Details.Type in Vita.SCEdevnet.com and you arrive at Sony's portal for Vita developers. Same with NGP.SCEdevnet.com, referencing the former codename for the Vita. The PS4 version of that address gets you nowhere. PS3 does, as does Orbis.SCEDev.net, though not to any Orbis-specific portions of the site.

    THE NEXT PLAYSTATION, AT A GLANCE

        Is called, or at least carries the working codename, "Orbis".
        Is scheduled for a Holiday 2013 release.
        Won't be backwards compatible with PS3 games.
        Will lock new games to a PSN account as an anti-used games measure.
        New games can be bought either on Blu-Ray or downloaded.
        Current specs are an AMD x64 CPU and AMD Southern Islands GPU

CURRENT SPECS

Our main source supplied some basic specs for the console, but as the future is always in motion, bear in mind these could easily change between now and the Orbis' retail release. Still, if you'd like to know what developers are being told to plan for now, here you go.

    AMD x64 CPU
    AMD Southern Islands GPU

    The former, that's largely something we've heard before, but the latter is interesting. That's the name given to many of AMD's 2012 roster of high-end PC cards. The PS4's GPU in particular, we're told, will be capable of displaying Orbis games at a resolution of up to 4096x2160, which is far in excess of the needs of most current HDTV sets. It'll also be capable of playing 3D games in 1080p (the PS3 could only safely manage 3D at 720p).
    NEXT YEAR

    Our main source tell us that "select developers" have been receiving dev kits for the new console since the beginning of this year. Revised and improved versions of these kits were sent out around GDC, while more finalised beta units will be shipped to developers towards the end of 2012.

    That should hopefully give developers plenty of time to have launch games ready for the Orbis' retail release, which will be in time for the 2013 holiday season. If you can remember the PS3 launch—it's OK if you can't, it was a while ago—that too was in time for the holiday shopping season (November 2006 for Japan and North America).
    SO LONG, PS3 GAMES

    Remember how the PlayStation 3 swiftly dropped the ability to play PS2 games? Well, our main source tell us the Orbis won't even bother, and that Sony has no plans to offer backwards compatibility for its existing catalogue of PS3 games.
    SO LONG, USED GAMES

        BACK IN DECEMBER... A post left on Pastebin back in December also referred to the PlayStation 4 as Orbis, calling it a codename in the same vein as Microsoft's Durango. The system specs in that post differ significantly from what Kotaku has heard, and the lack of a hard drive by default goes against the idea of downloading full games to the system.

        The Pastebin post also mentions that big name developers like EA were disappointed by an Orbis much less powerful than Microsoft's next machine, so there's a chance that it's the story of an earlier prototype that didn't make the grade. We've reached out to EA for comment.

    Just like the next Xbox/Durango, we've heard from multiple sources that the Orbis will likewise have some kind of anti-used games measures built into the console. Here's how our main source says it's currently shaping up: new games for the system will be available one of two ways, either on a Blu-Ray disc or as a PSN download (yes, even full retail titles). If you buy the disc, it must be locked to a single PSN account, after which you can play the game, save the whole thing to your HDD, or peg it as "downloaded" in your account history and be free to download it at a later date.

    Don't think you can simply buy the disc and stay offline, though; like many PC games these days, you'll need to have a PSN account and be online to even get the thing started.

    If you then decide to trade that disc in, the pre-owned customer picking it up will be limited in what they can do. While our sources were unclear on how exactly the pre-owned customer side of things would work, it's believed used games will be limited to a trial mode or some other form of content restriction, with consumers having to pay a fee to unlock/register the full game.

    This would allow used games to continue to be sold at outlets such as GameStop, while also appeasing major publishers who would no longer have to implement their own haphazard approaches to "online passes".

    —-

    That's all we've got for you at the moment. Remember, none of this information is confirmed, and even the information that is locked down in March 2012 may change before the console's eventual release. This is just what we've been told Sony is working on and planning for as of today. That being the case, how do you think it's shaping up?

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« Reply #1 on: 11:13 AM - 03/28/12 »
"Will lock new games to a PSN account as an anti-used games measure."

That's a BS move imo.  I like being able to buy used games off eBay and at least have the option of getting a little cash for a used game I don't play anymore, or at least some credit at a local store to buy a new game. 

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« Reply #2 on: 11:32 AM - 03/28/12 »
Xbox is doing it too. Don't like it? Get a Wii U lol.

My interest is piqued by the supposed spec listings. ACTUAL 1080p IN 3D? And higher resolutions for when not in 3D? Sounds interesting.

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« Reply #3 on: 11:35 AM - 03/28/12 »
If they plan on taking out the used games factor (either system) then i believe they should split games up into two discs - multiplayer and singleplayer.  $30 each.  This way, they're still selling their new product.  This past cod, haven't touched the singleplayer for 1 second.  Been multiplayer all the way.  Only touched singleplayer in BF3 when the servers were down in MP.
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Re: Next Playstation Rumors
« Reply #4 on: 11:50 AM - 03/28/12 »
I have two friends that woRk at Microsoft, one of them in Microsoft Game Studios

A few times they have said that the so called "cloud" is the future of games.

Let's say that there is a new release, you want the game..  From your XBOX you pay, and the content is downloaded to you with a license.  The game is store in your HDD, if the HDD gets full, you delete the game but if later you want to play again.. you can download again for free because you already bought the license.

Sounds crazy? No, look in the XBOX marketplace.  AND... your XBOX download history show everything you have purchased available for free download.

The clock is ticking for GameStop
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Re: Next Playstation Rumors
« Reply #5 on: 11:58 AM - 03/28/12 »
I have two friends that wok at Microsoft


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« Reply #6 on: 11:59 AM - 03/28/12 »
i don't mind that idea at all - as long as you own a license on your account - assuming everyone who gets an xbox has a decent connection, the license can be applied to your account via microsoft's servers.  I still like the idea of split-games (assuming the game will have a single player and multiplayer counterpart).
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Re: Next Playstation Rumors
« Reply #7 on: 11:59 AM - 03/28/12 »
I have two friends that wok at Microsoft, one of them in Microsoft Game Studios

A few times they have said that the so called "cloud" is the future of games.

Let's say that there is a new release, you want the game..  From your XBOX you pay, and the content is downloaded to you with a license.  The game is store in your HDD, if the HDD gets full, you delete the game but if later you want to play again.. you can download again for free because you already bought the license.

Sounds crazy? No, look in the XBOX marketplace.  AND... your XBOX download history show everything you have purchased available for free download.

The clock is ticking for GameStop


Sounds like another ... wait ... its' coming to me.

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« Reply #8 on: 12:02 PM - 03/28/12 »
i don't mind that idea at all - as long as you own a license on your account - assuming everyone who gets an xbox has a decent connection, the license can be applied to your account via microsoft's servers.  I still like the idea of split-games (assuming the game will have a single player and multiplayer counterpart).

It'll never happen. If publishers were to do that, then you would see a dramatic drop in profit as a large number of people wouldn't want to bother spending $30 on a single player game. The majority would wind up buying MP and that would cut into their margins way to much.
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« Reply #9 on: 12:04 PM - 03/28/12 »
i don't mind that idea at all - as long as you own a license on your account - assuming everyone who gets an xbox has a decent connection, the license can be applied to your account via microsoft's servers.  I still like the idea of split-games (assuming the game will have a single player and multiplayer counterpart).

It'll never happen. If publishers were to do that, then you would see a dramatic drop in profit as a large number of people wouldn't want to bother spending $30 on a single player game. The majority would wind up buying MP and that would cut into their margins way to much.

i'm sure it won't, but it's not a bad idea.  i'm curious if one game will give it a try and see how the outcome goes.  I played gears just for the campaign and didn't touch multiplayer. Some games i've done both.
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« Reply #10 on: 12:19 PM - 03/28/12 »
Game sales will plummet massively. Games you know you will play over and over (the AA multiplayer titles) are the only ones you'll buy. Who will bother with the likes of The Darkness 2, Binary Domain, Rage or Bulletstorm, all games worthy to buy but once completed have little replay value? Not me!!

Still all speculation thankfully. No smoke without fire though...

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« Reply #11 on: 12:30 PM - 03/28/12 »
None of this matters to me because I've become an XBOX fanboy ever since 2 christmas's ago when I got my first xbox <3 <3

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« Reply #12 on: 12:36 PM - 03/28/12 »
None of this matters to me because I've become an XBOX fanboy ever since 2 christmas's ago when I got my first xbox <3 <3

Except Xbox are also rumoured not to allow second hand game useage.

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« Reply #13 on: 12:43 PM - 03/28/12 »
yea but that was discussed in the other thread. now u guys are just doing it over in this one. :D

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« Reply #14 on: 12:56 PM - 03/28/12 »
Sales of game are only accounted for when purchased new. No one has any true figures on how many pre-owned games have been bought. Since the publishers and developers get not cut in used game sales, the only ones that misses out on potentially cheap gaming are the consumers and the retailers that sell the used games.

The world of pre-owned sales in terms of software will be distroyed sooner or later. Just look at how PC games have changed when Steam was introduced onto retail box titles. No one bothered to buy them for the risk that the keycode has been used. You will see the same with the next generation. This move is to slowly position themselves into digital delivery only system, which unfortunately is the way forward for the likes of Microsoft and Sony.

EA and Activision will still sell their CoDs and their FIFA Soccers regardless of their delivery methods. No amount of shouting in the Internet will re-evalute their plans and position in the market.

I would suggest that any independent retailer that just concentrates on video games should start selling and buying other products like televisions, phones, etc cause they will go out of business.


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