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Game Support / Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)

« on: 08:35 AM - 02/18/16 »

Apologies if this has already been asked.

I am about to update o the latest firmware but was just wondering if this destiny config will work as smoothly with the new release as it does on the firmware RML created it on.

Anybody already done this and have feedback?

I copied my Destiny Config to the clipboard, thinking I would have to paste it back in.  I did not even have to do that.  I upgraded the firmware and software, and everything worked as smooth as it did before.

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Game Support / Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)

« on: 04:49 PM - 02/17/16 »

So for shadestep, the full macro should be:
↓ Ctrl
↑ Ctrl
⌚ 0.1 sec delay
↓ Ctrl
↑ Ctrl


That will press and release CTRL, wait 0.1 seconds, then press and release CTRL.  It sounds like your macro presses on CTRL, holds X seconds, and then releases it.  I'm not sure if 0.1 seconds is the right amount of time for a doubletap, but you can test it.

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Game Support / Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)

« on: 11:47 AM - 02/17/16 »

What are the exact commands for Shade step? How do you activate it?

Shadestep is B, B on XB1 or circle, circle (same as Twilight Garrison activation for Titans who are in the air, I believe)

The RML config doesn't have circle/B mapped as a secondary input, so that would have to be added (perhaps KPad6? through use of a keyboard)

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Game Support / Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)

« on: 09:31 AM - 02/17/16 »

The commands you're wanting to use in the LGS software need to be programmed in XIM. 
So from your example, I could program a macro for the right mouse button to jump, crouch, move forward, jump and crouch. 
In XIM, the commands would look exactly as you have them. 
In LGS, you would assign a macro to the right mouse button (press space, release space, press ctrl, release ctrl, press w, release w, press space, release space, press ctrl, release ctrl)

Right mouse button should not be mapped to anything in XIM (primary or secondary).  Now when you press right mouse button, the macro from LGS should kick in with the command sequence you programmed, and XIM will take those commands and perform them in the game.

Hopefully this helps.

-TheWalt

ps. to program your own controls, one way is to plug a keyboard into your XIM, and map all the buttons to separate keys on the Secondary tab.  Then you can use these mappings for all your macros, and use your Primary tab for direct input mappings into XIM.  Or you can save a physical step and just use RMLs configuration, and program your macros using his keymapping.  What you don't want to do is program multiple commands to the same button, or any key you're expecting to use as direct input.

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Game Support / Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)

« on: 05:12 PM - 02/16/16 »

EDIT:
I think this may be your problem:

In the XIM software, do not map the physical mouse button you're using to program your macros in LGS.
You may need to add a keyboard to the XIM and map those buttons as a source for what your LGS macros will be programmed to do, unless you're starting from RML's setup.


My first, probably hard to understand response, follows:

So you need to separate out the button mapping in the XIM4 software from the commands in your LGS.  RML has secondary mappings to the joystick buttons, which are the keyboard mappings he uses when programming macros. 

For instance, he has MScrollDown mapped on Primary to his Y button (triangle on PS4).  So that's what he uses to switch weapons.  He as KPad0 mapped on Secondary to his Y button (triangle on PS4).  So he uses KPad0 in the LGS software (press KPad0, hold 1.8s, release KPad0), mapped to the K1 button on the mouse.  So when he presses K1 (which is not mapped in the XIM software), the XIM will see the macro that is being run from the on board mouse memory, and his Heavy Weapon will be equipped.

Does that make sense?  I think you might be mapping your programmed mouse button from LGS to XIM, so XIM will interpret that before the macro ever has a chance to work.

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Game Support / Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)

« on: 05:05 PM - 02/16/16 »

EDIT:
I think this may be your problem:

In the XIM software, do not map the physical mouse button you're using to program your macros in LGS.


My first, probably hard to understand response, follows:

So you need to separate out the button mapping in the XIM4 software from the commands in your LGS.  RML has secondary mappings to the joystick buttons, which are the keyboard mappings he uses when programming macros. 

For instance, he has MScrollDown mapped on Primary to his Y button (triangle on PS4).  So that's what he uses to switch weapons.  He as KPad0 mapped on Secondary to his Y button (triangle on PS4).  So he uses KPad0 in the LGS software (press KPad0, hold 1.8s, release KPad0), mapped to the K1 button on the mouse.  So when he presses K1 (which is not mapped in the XIM software), the XIM will see the macro that is being run from the on board mouse memory, and his Heavy Weapon will be equipped.

Does that make sense?  I think you might be mapping your programmed mouse button from LGS to XIM, so XIM will interpret that before the macro ever has a chance to work.

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Game Support / Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)

« on: 02:08 PM - 02/16/16 »

Just wanted to check in again on this thread.  I can offiicially say that I'm as good or better now with the XIM4 setup as I ever was with the joystick.  When first trying out the XIM4, I made a lot of changes to RML's setup to what I thought would feel better for me, but RML had reasons for setting things up the way he did, and I've come to see the light in most, if not all, of his decisions. 
I've got the option to play with either the NAV controller or the left half of my Elite controller (it's nice having two paddles as additional control options).  I just updated to the latest firmware (Jan 2016), which went as smooth as could be, and I didn't even have to reload my custom Destiny profile.  I also got the NAV controller connected wirelessly to the XIM, and boy, not having that usb cord attached is niiiice and helps with some of the ergonomic issues I had with the NAV.

Thanks for staying tuned to this thread RML.  I need to go research angle snapping now to see how it impacts me.  

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Game Support / Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)

« on: 05:48 PM - 01/23/16 »

Pretty much everything you're describing is EXACTLY why I decided to use HOLD behavior instead of toggle for the Sprint config. and why I said otherwise it's very frustrating at times. There are a lot of variables with this game while sprinting. The one's I remember, ADS, Reload, Slide and fire all disable sprint. Keep in mind XIM4 didn't have the toggle deactivation keys when I created this. That feature was added later. So now those deactivation keys could be used to help you toggle sprint so that you don't get stuck in your sprint config while NOT sprinting.

However, there's still one little problem with the games mechanics that still leads me to believe that HOLD behavior is the best option. If you sprint for awhile your character becomes tired. So if you stop sprinting while the character is tired you have to wait a few seconds before you're capable of sprinting again. So if you're using toggle mode and you try to sprint, and your character refuses, you now find yourself still in HIP mode but you've activated the sprint config. Then, when you press sprint again and your character starts sprinting, you've just deactivated sprint and you're now sprinting with the HIP config.

Good Luck! 

BTW, if you're enjoying the analog movement of using your controller I would suggest giving the NAV another try and just stick with it for about a week, force it! 

I didn't like the NAV at first either and I'm still not a huge fan. But IMO analog movement trumps KB movement and you can get used to the NAV. It takes a bit of practice though for sure.

I've got the Xbox Elite controller, so I can reprogram the keys to emulate the NAV setup you have; plus I don't have to sacrifice ergonomics (other than hefting the whole joystick in my right hand).  Plus I have the Left Upper and Lower Paddles to use at my discretion (currently I have them disabled as accidental hits are worse than having that flexibility sometimes).

So for me, Xbox Controller > Sony NAV > KB for my left hand  .

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Game Support / Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 01/08/16)

« on: 10:44 AM - 01/23/16 »

All right- another update from my continued XIM4 evolution. 

I've been continuing to tinker with my button layout, as I understand the concepts of having the different setups for different situations (HIPS, ADS, sprint, sparrow).  Ignoring the sparrow setup for now since PVP is my main reason for trying to improve my game, I'm fully on board with HIPS and ADS, but I have a question about the Sprint setup. (which is why I veered away from RML's original setup of dedicated sprint button on the NAV and went with my old school '90s PC FPS concept of ADS with right button).

It seems to me like Sprint in Destiny is activated by pressing the left stick, and then you'll be in sprint mode for brief period of time.  Then things like hitting B to slide, or X to reload, will drop you out of sprint mode, requiring you to press the left stick again when you want to start running again.  I'm not even certain whether or not you'll drop out of sprint mode if you get 'tired' like in other FPS games.  Understanding how Destiny treats Sprint would go a long way in helping me get a good XIM4 setup.

How often do you guys use Sprint Mode?  Do you just press and hold it when you want to Sprint or do you need to re-press often to maintain the sprint mode?

The Sony NAV controller doesn't ergonomically feel that great to me, and the G13 button layouts don't feel great either (especially when trying to dedicate a sprint key, which I personally am holding down the majority of the time).  I just had my own personal Eureka moment yesterday when I picked up the Xbox gamepad to use in my left hand, while using the mouse in my right.  WOW.  the only ergonomic issue I see there is the weight of the right side of the controller, but I can just rest in on my armrest.  So I feel this was a big breakthrough personally for me, and the 2 or 3 matches I've played with this setup have been my best performances so far with XIM.  I still need to tweak some of the layouts of where melee's and grenades are coming from, but I think I'm on the right track, and might start looking at a Sparrow setup to use XIM full time in Destiny instead of just PVP.

Thanks for the continued discussion, and great videos RML, you're doing a great service to the community!

TheWalt

ps.
Has there been any talk of being able to work on XIM profiles in an 'offline' mode?  Where you don't need to be connected to the XIM by bluetooth?

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Game Support / Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 12/02/15)

« on: 11:03 AM - 01/19/16 »

Here's my modified setup (I'm not using Green Thumb)
http://imgur.com/rNGBxiA

Basically, I'm used to right mouse button being scope, so I swapped the NAV trigger to jump.  The other problem I was having while testing the setup was sprinting/crouching (which was happening at all the wrong moments).  I've made the NAV bumper button B for crouching now, and the NAV stick button sprint (like I have been doing in Destiny all along).  I think now with this setup, I'll actually be able to play as well as I had with the regular xbox controller in the past, and should be able to start making vast improvements in my gameplay once I get used to the new setup.  Thanks for all the help RML!

(couldn't figure out how to get a picture to show up in the post, so I made a link)

So your holding down the stick button while sprinting? Or did you make the Run Config toggle instead of hold behavior. I didn't use the stick button because I found that toggle didn't work well with run and holding down that button while running is a pain. Then you have to remember to press the button again everytime you stop running if using toggle. Plus sometimes you don't run when you push the button, but now you've activated your run config. You push it again and start running but then you've also just Deactivated your run config. Like I said in the OP, Toggle and Run are a frustrating endeavor.


EDIT: Just added this video to the OP. I have had a lot of questions about LGS, hope this helps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlxpCgD853c&feature=youtu.be

So I actually wasn't using the sprint template at all, just hitting the button to enable sprint and using the regular HIPS setup.  I'm still in the process of transitioning from joystick to XIM, where right now I'm about even playskill with either setup.  I'm still trying to figure out where my melee and grenades are most comfortable, as I've had a few issues with accidentally hitting the K3 button on the mouse (the one right next to LB).  Of course, with the multiple setups, it's important that all the templates and secondary buttons are aligned, so that's still a challenge.  It's definitely a game ender when I accidentally hit the sparrow macro in the middle of a PVP match and don't remember how to get back to my main config, so I'm still learning.  I think I'd like to try the XIM4 at a desktop for true mouse & keyboard, rather than my current mouse & nav on the couch.  I'm currently relegated to the couch based on my home A/V setup.

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Game Support / Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 12/02/15)

« on: 09:33 AM - 01/08/16 »

Here's my modified setup (I'm not using Green Thumb)
http://imgur.com/rNGBxiA

Basically, I'm used to right mouse button being scope, so I swapped the NAV trigger to jump.  The other problem I was having while testing the setup was sprinting/crouching (which was happening at all the wrong moments).  I've made the NAV bumper button B for crouching now, and the NAV stick button sprint (like I have been doing in Destiny all along).  I think now with this setup, I'll actually be able to play as well as I had with the regular xbox controller in the past, and should be able to start making vast improvements in my gameplay once I get used to the new setup.  Thanks for all the help RML!

(couldn't figure out how to get a picture to show up in the post, so I made a link)

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Game Support / Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 12/02/15)

« on: 09:14 AM - 12/18/15 »

I don't understand the keystrokes in LGS for the 1 button macros; num 0, num 8 etc....can you explain what i'm pressing to set this up?

In your mapping setup, num 0/num 8 etc. are mapped to buttons that need to be pressed in combination to get the desired result.

For example, if 'num 0' is mapped to 'Y', your 'heavy weapon' macro would have "↓ num 0, 1.8s delay, ↑ num 0" to simulate pressing the button, holding it for 1.8 seconds (or 1800 ms), and then releasing.

To go to orbit, you would need to know the mapping of the select button and the y button.
So if 'select' was 'num 7' and 'Y' was 'num 0', the 'go to orbit' macro would have "↓ num 7, 0.08s delay, ↑ num 7, 0.5s delay, ↓ num 0, 3.8s delay, ↑ num 0"

The number keys can be mapped to the secondary tab so that you can still use them with mouse buttons on your primary tab (or vice versa) (comes in handy if you're programming macros on a G13).

Does that make sense?

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Game Support / Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 12/02/15)

« on: 02:41 PM - 12/15/15 »

Also, my mouse is set at a maximum DPI of 16,000. How should I adjust? Just play with the sensitivities and go from there? Thanks!

From what I gather (from RML's parameters/guidelines) and if you're like me, you're going to need to adjust your expectations on mouse sensitivity for Destiny. It's not going to be Quake or CoD type of twitch movement, where you can easily turn 180 degrees.  From a HIP standpoint, you should be able to move faster around the screen than what you could do with a controller, but then you get much more refined (read: slower/easier to control) movement while ADSing.  So you'll want to get your reticle close to target, then make slight adjustments once you're locked in.  If you have too much mouse speed or sensitivity, you'll have jittery controls, and your reticle will jump all over the place. 

I've had my XIM4 for less than a week, so I'm still refining my setup and my playstyle is still adapting, so at this point I'm probably still a better player on a controller, but I can see the benefit to a m+k setup which hopefully I'll be a little better at by the time Iron Banner rolls around next time.

Speaking of keyboards, are there any G13 users out there?  What key mapping are you guys using?  I initially mapped movements to the equivalent of WASD (4,10,11,12), with 'X' at E (5), 'Y' at Q (3), and 'B' at C (18).

The thumbstick is also mapped to the left stick for movement, but I'll have to train myself to get used to using it for movement.

I find it challenging (and somewhat frustrating) to get used to a new key map, which often results in unnecessary deaths in game, so if I can minimize the number of setups I try, that should help minimize workload on my hand/brain coordination.

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Game Support / Re: Destiny: My Advanced Setup (UPDATED 12/02/15)

« on: 04:28 PM - 12/14/15 »

Thanks for all the work in this post, it's really helped me get up to speed on the XIM and all the customization and settings needed to get a 'good' feel for my setup.  RML, I'm glad you've taken the initiative to write out all that's necessary to get things working, and for sticking with the thread (even when you're not playing Destiny) to help new users out.

I registered my account to say thanks, and may well contribute more in the future as I learn more about what settings I like and dislike with the XIM.

Now, to update the firmware and manager when I get home!

-TheWalt