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Title: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: mcdonamw on 07:25 PM - 11/22/21
I'm a long time COD fan, but I haven't been into it since BO3.  Just hated the direction it was going.  With that said I tried Vanguard, and I don't know @#$% I got myself into.  I literally can go 0 and 20 before I even know @#$% hit me.  Literally can't get out of spawns.  Huge numbers of players everywhere.  Far worse in HC modes.

I don't get it.  @#$% happened with this game?

I even tried setting my combat pacing to more 6v6 modes, but it still throws me into Blitz games every god @#$% match.

I'm so infuriated with how bad this game makes me out to be LOL.  I used to easily main a 3-4+ KD as a rusher (no camp life for me), but JFC this is insanity.
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: Brutalimp on 03:25 AM - 11/23/21
You getting old

These new games are made for the new generation of young'uns
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: Sl3ipner on 05:02 AM - 11/23/21
You getting old

These new games are made for the new generation of young'uns

Hope that was tounge in cheek.

Seriously though you cant expect to jump into COD after years absence and do well. Especially with Vanguards late gun attachments and of course the SBMM.
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: TurboMan on 06:35 AM - 11/23/21
I've never been into CoD MP for this same reason anyway. Only mode I enjoy is free for all. Any other mode is pretty much just pre-aiming choke points based on spawns. So boring. Much prefer BR modes, a lot more variability in what happens in each game. I tried Vanguard free to play weekend and it didn't even have free for all, the other modes were same old @#$% so I didn't last. The zombies which I'd normally be all over just doesn't appeal this year, not into playing for objectives. So there's nothing worth me buying it for atm.
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: Phil Ashio on 11:59 AM - 11/23/21
You getting old

These new games are made for the new generation of young'uns

Hope that was tounge in cheek.

Seriously though you cant expect to jump into COD after years absence and do well. Especially with Vanguards late gun attachments and of course the SBMM.

Probably was, the younguns hate this game as well. Hopefully, we'll finally get MW2MPR soon. Though, I'm sure they'll find a way to make it hate it as well.

It's funny that it's easier to find a lobby in MW2 on Xbox than it is in some of the more modern games. 
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: TheCityWok on 03:34 PM - 11/23/21
maps are dog crap. The visibility is a joke and every map forces you into choke points. That's probably my biggest issue there's no flank routes at all times like COD4/MW2 had. If you look at a mini map of COD4 during game play there's always a huge portion of the map open to flank and funny enough it's the same thing in Titanfall 2. which should be no surprise since they made COD4 when they were at IW.
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: Brutalimp on 12:30 AM - 11/24/21
You getting old

These new games are made for the new generation of young'uns

Hope that was tounge in cheek.

Seriously though you cant expect to jump into COD after years absence and do well. Especially with Vanguards late gun attachments and of course the SBMM.

If the SBMM is working correctly, then you should be matching with other bad players if you are bad yourself no?
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: ceebs on 02:45 AM - 11/24/21
Hey, no need for that! He was only expressing his opinion.
And I agree that CoDís MP franchise is in a bad place now. Activision has put so much emphasis on making sure that n00bs get kills that it has taken too much of the skill (and fun) away from seasoned players: sbmm, poor map design, OP weapons, bloom, badly thought out challenges, poor player progression, lacklustre kill streaks, unrewarding objective play, etc. etc.).

I gave the free weekend a go. And although I felt it was much better than MW 2019 (the worst CoD ever made, IMO) it was nowhere near as engrossing or entertaining as the OG CoDs, or even the jet pack iterations (which I also enjoyed).
Unfortunately, until peeps stop buying the game (or another Dev (Respawn?) comes up with a CoD challenger) weíre going to keep getting the same type of game each year. One that I really donít like and wonít be buying).

So to return to the OPís question, I donít understand either. CoD has become a watered-down, soulless shadow of itís former self and Iím not optimistic about its future, either.
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: willthetech on 09:17 AM - 11/24/21
I kind of like it. Not that I do any good now, but its fun when playing with friends. The overpowered shotgun, the Halo jumping nerds, the miracle one hit kills, etc...are still annoying. but fun...the flame guy is a hoot!!!! i got it a few times and it cleans house :)
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: facade on 11:03 AM - 11/24/21
You getting old

These new games are made for the new generation of young'uns

I mean he can't be too old. There were multiple CoDs with these issues.

Hell MW3 you would see your enemies killcam IN YOUR KILLCAM. You would see how they died in YOUR killcam and then show them spawn and kill you.
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: TheCityWok on 11:15 AM - 11/24/21
@#$% that convoluted @#$% gunsmith garbage also.
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: Phil Ashio on 12:18 PM - 11/24/21
I gave the free weekend a go. And although I felt it was much better than MW 2019 (the worst CoD ever made, IMO) it was nowhere near as engrossing or entertaining as the OG CoDs, or even the jet pack iterations (which I also enjoyed).
Unfortunately, until peeps stop buying the game (or another Dev (Respawn?) comes up with a CoD challenger) weíre going to keep getting the same type of game each year. One that I really donít like and wonít be buying).

So to return to the OPís question, I donít understand either. CoD has become a watered-down, soulless shadow of itís former self and Iím not optimistic about its future, either.

I share this sentiment. Ubisoft has a COD clone in the works that was developed with feedback from the Youtube COD community (like Drift0r and XclusiveAce). It looks more like a classic style COD than the newer ones but the marketing for it is so terrible I don't know if it'll ever catch on. The name of it is so generic that I can't even recall it of the top of my head.
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: ceebs on 02:24 AM - 11/25/21
but its fun when paying with friends.
Isnít this true for all games though?
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: ceebs on 02:31 AM - 11/25/21
XDefiant. And the gameís development has gone radio silent since September. Iím looking forward to it as well. Canít see it being a CoD Killer though.
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: TheCityWok on 01:31 PM - 11/26/21
Respawn rebooting Medal of Honor is the only thing that could be a COD killer IMO. Even that's a stretch since they lost a lot of the lead talent that worked on COD4/MW2 TF1/TF2. Gravity Well which was founded by 2 former IW/Respawn leads is also something to forward to but that's probably still years out.

https://gravitywell.games/
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: XxFPSGODxX on 01:49 PM - 11/30/21
I don't know how you guys playing any game today, everything is bs. All the games today is made for causal players who don't play alot, for example, Activision made a patent to make everyone a good player, etc in EA has a patent they just lie about it. why they do it? FOR MORE MONEY
you buy the microtransactions that are in the game and then you will get some "adjustments" to be better because you gave them money . so you know guys it was good but GG multiplayer ...
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: mcdonamw on 06:01 PM - 12/01/21
One of my biggest issues is this new Blitz stuff.  It's too many people on these small maps for any enjoyment.  Mere seconds from spawn to death.  Worse even, I can't seem to avoid it.  Even with my settings at tactical I get blitz every other game.  Or other modes I do not have selected.

But as someone said maybe I am getting old.  It seems lately every FPS game I play gets worse each day LOL.  Though I keep coming back to D2 religiously.  Xbox museum has that as my most played game 5 years running now.  Madness.  I am HOPING something comes to take me away from it because I hate even that game.  Just the one I hate the least LOL.
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: kcchiefsfan1982 on 09:58 PM - 12/01/21
One of my biggest issues is this new Blitz stuff.  It's too many people on these small maps for any enjoyment.  Mere seconds from spawn to death.  Worse even, I can't seem to avoid it.  Even with my settings at tactical I get blitz every other game.  Or other modes I do not have selected.

But as someone said maybe I am getting old.  It seems lately every FPS game I play gets worse each day LOL.  Though I keep coming back to D2 religiously.  Xbox museum has that as my most played game 5 years running now.  Madness.  I am HOPING something comes to take me away from it because I hate even that game.  Just the one I hate the least LOL.

You should be playing PUBG. No excuses!
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: ShaneN. on 12:26 AM - 12/02/21
I only play hardcore and I'm usually a mid 2 kd run and gun smg player and i'm stuck around 1.5kd in HC right now.  I find it hard to see people that are just laying down and actually camping.  There is also long periods of time where I see the guy as he sees me and he has time to stop running, aim, miss a few shots and hit me before I even get my gun ads'd (connection). It's been like that for a while but seems worse in this game.  Plus the nades and score streaks are so broken in HC, if you get the flame suite guy you end the game with him . And a thrown gammon (?) bomb is a guaranteed kill every time.  On top of it all, xbox's are still stuck on moderate for some reason when the rest of my cod games are open.  I think it needs a solid update and some balancing but I'm not sure why it's taken so long to get one. 
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: ShaneN. on 12:30 AM - 12/02/21
Hey, no need for that! He was only expressing his opinion.
And I agree that CoDís MP franchise is in a bad place now. Activision has put so much emphasis on making sure that n00bs get kills that it has taken too much of the skill (and fun) away from seasoned players: sbmm, poor map design, OP weapons, bloom, badly thought out challenges, poor player progression, lacklustre kill streaks, unrewarding objective play, etc. etc.).

I gave the free weekend a go. And although I felt it was much better than MW 2019 (the worst CoD ever made, IMO) it was nowhere near as engrossing or entertaining as the OG CoDs, or even the jet pack iterations (which I also enjoyed).
Unfortunately, until peeps stop buying the game (or another Dev (Respawn?) comes up with a CoD challenger) weíre going to keep getting the same type of game each year. One that I really donít like and wonít be buying).



I couldn't have said that better. mw19 is the first year of cod I couldn't even enjoy, i literally stopped playing it fairly earl and played a second year of bo4, but this cod might not be far behind for me - although I hope it's not the case.  even cold war last year was a lot more fun (so far).  I just feel so average of a player in this one for some reason and I'm used to being first in my lobbies most the time.  And dont even get me started in the pacings, it's so broken and a stupid idea.  Just give me all maps or MAYBE 8v8 in some of the larger ones.  Hardcore already has a limited pool of people to play against, why split that amount of people into 3 smaller categories.  I HATE the blitz maps. 
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: AgentSmith on 04:29 AM - 12/02/21
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maps are dog crap. The visibility is a joke and every map forces you into choke points.

This is a direct result of players demanding more realistic looking and feeling games.

Game devs make lighting more realistic looking and so we can't see s**t because that's how it is in dark alley ways in real life.
Maps forcing choke points is exactly what I would assume real military people would do, choke the enemy off to kill them easier.

I have not purchased Vanguard and it is unlikely that I will, but over the years as gfx have advanced, game play and fun has been thrown out of the window.

Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: TheCityWok on 08:45 AM - 12/02/21
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maps are dog crap. The visibility is a joke and every map forces you into choke points.

This is a direct result of players demanding more realistic looking and feeling games.

Game devs make lighting more realistic looking and so we can't see s**t because that's how it is in dark alley ways in real life.
Maps forcing choke points is exactly what I would assume real military people would do, choke the enemy off to kill them easier.

I have not purchased Vanguard and it is unlikely that I will, but over the years as gfx have advanced, game play and fun has been thrown out of the window.

Iíd say itís the horrible map design and lack of spawn areas. You watch any gameplay of COD4 and thereís always a flank route open. You were never forced right into enemy sights on a majority of the maps. Vanguard however is trash. Thereís always activity on every lane and the spawns donít flow around the map like in COD4. Itís just random @#$% on every map.
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: Phil Ashio on 11:31 AM - 12/02/21
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maps are dog crap. The visibility is a joke and every map forces you into choke points.

This is a direct result of players demanding more realistic looking and feeling games.

Game devs make lighting more realistic looking and so we can't see s**t because that's how it is in dark alley ways in real life.
Maps forcing choke points is exactly what I would assume real military people would do, choke the enemy off to kill them easier.

I have not purchased Vanguard and it is unlikely that I will, but over the years as gfx have advanced, game play and fun has been thrown out of the window.

I'd say it's more to do with people not realizing how to set up their monitor correctly. Most people don't know that the default contrast setting that monitors come with crushes blacks and whites and this results in actually worse looking games because the detail in textures doesn't show and differences in color gradients are blended together, so of course a soldier in a dark green uniform will be hard to see against brown dirt.

But if you have even rudimentary knowledge on how set your contrast, brightness, and balance colors you shouldn't have that much issue with visibility. I guarantee the majority of people who complain about visibility (generally, Vanguard during beta was kind of bad) either have a bad display or bad display settings. 
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: colb on 03:10 PM - 12/04/21
As long as they keep bumping up the base movement speed in these COD games, it will only get worse.


Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: Anavarz on 03:53 AM - 12/08/21
I need jetpacks, wall running and huge fast slides to be able to have proper fun in COD again until then.  Cod will be forever dead
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: Sorothos on 04:58 AM - 12/08/21
I don't know how you guys playing any game today, everything is bs. All the games today is made for causal players who don't play alot, for example, Activision made a patent to make everyone a good player, etc in EA has a patent they just lie about it. why they do it? FOR MORE MONEY
you buy the microtransactions that are in the game and then you will get some "adjustments" to be better because you gave them money . so you know guys it was good but GG multiplayer ...

That is your personal opinion. Sounds like you took quite a beating and had bad rounds.

It's like saying that all BMW cars are nonsense.


So don't ask yourself how we can play the game - some people just enjoy it. Not you. But then look outside the box and accept that it's not objectively a bad game based on your assessment.

It just is subjectively for you. So it's also not surprising that other people enjoy playing it.


Maybe one more tip: Find a group or a clan. I usually only play multiplayer with 3-6 people. I never play alone.

Alone you always have a disadvantage and it's also no fun for me. But that's the case with every shooter.
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: ceebs on 07:57 AM - 12/09/21
..accept that it's not objectively a bad game based on your assessment.
It's objectively a bad game when the game skews your result so that you can never improve at it.
It's objectively a bad game when lobbies are disbanded after each match.
It's objectively a bad game when the massively overpriced store content is better than the stuff you can earn in-game.
It's objectively a bad game when it launches full of bugs that are still not fixed.
It's objectively a bad game when nobody asked for any of the above, but got it anyway.
The fact that you enjoy playing it in a party is representative of the fact that games are usually more fun when you're kicking back with your mates. It's still, objectively, a bad game.
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: esrasur on 04:54 AM - 01/06/22
It's funny that it's easier to find a lobby in MW2 on Xbox than it is in some of the more modern games.
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: facade on 07:45 AM - 01/06/22
I need jetpacks, wall running and huge fast slides to be able to have proper fun in COD again until then.  Cod will be forever dead

I may have actually enjoyed that if I didn't play Titanfall first. But doing so just made it feel like a cheap knockoff of the movement system.
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: Dodge on 10:36 PM - 01/09/22
There is hope, at least for PC gamers.

https://sm2.gg/
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: ceebs on 04:14 AM - 01/10/22
There is hope, at least for PC gamers.

https://sm2.gg/
Yeah, I'm looking forward to that too. Trouble is, there'll be nothing new, all old CoDs and maps. I'm sure I'll have a blast for a few weeks, but then move on to other games as the nostalgia goggles slip off.
Title: Re: Vanguard.. How do people enjoy this nonsense?
Post by: ShaneN. on 01:47 AM - 01/11/22
I don't understand how this game can be 2 months old and they still haven't fixef what is a very obvious problem and that is grenades and explosives in hardcore.  I'll die 8 times in a gsme and 6 will be gammn bombs. It's unplayable like this. The eod perk only reduces 15 percent damage which is nothing when you only have 30 health. Then since they're so over powered and everyone has them (can't opt out for another attachment or perk like pick 10) now the whole map is just a cloud of thick smoke and excessive explosions and booms and other loud noise the whole time making it hard to see and harder to hear any kind of sound ques, in a game that already gives you almost no audio to work with.