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Title: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: Od1n on 06:20 AM - 09/19/21: Disclaimer: Poll results are only visible once you participated. The poll is fully anonymous!

Obsiv needs your input on what you would consider to be a competitive price for the XIM NEXUS, and moreso what you would be fine to pay for such a product :).
Originally the plan was to have it priced below APEX, but that may not be possible anymore due to shortages in the semi conductor field causing significant price spikes. Thats why the lowest option is at 100$.

Obsivs original comment with more information:
Quote from: OBsIV on 09:52 PM - 09/18/21
Pricing is tricky right now considering manufacturing completely up and running yet and there are manual steps of course (programming, calibrating, etc). I wanted it to be lower cost than an APEX but I don't think we are going to be able to hit that with the current silicon component situation the world is in right now. It's really bad. Prices for chips are ridiculous. Perhaps if we sold it without the adapter (PC use only) but not with it. So we are still working it out.

Maybe the community can give some idea what's on their mind concerning price. It would be good to know what your thoughts are.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: Boltman on 06:53 AM - 09/19/21: I wish there was an option to pay for it right now. ;D
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: AgentSmith on 08:47 AM - 09/19/21: Just as a reference to Obsiv's thought about no adaptor. is it possible with some kind of software wizardry to use the xim Apex/4 as an adaptor in some way by putting it into controller swap mode and then using the manger for the Nexus to do the game magic?

If that were possible would it open doors to selling without included adaptor.

Even as PC only if it presents as the right controller type then the remote systems should be able to use it. Not an option for everyone I agree, but it is the method I have been using for quite a while now with my steam controller and PS4 controller to get use of the gyro in Xbox games, and other advanced features that the steam software allows.
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Post by: OBsIV on 09:04 AM - 09/19/21: NEXUS presents itself identically to how an Xbox One controller does over Bluetooth.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: taljac28 on 09:21 AM - 09/19/21: Since none of us know how it feels, and if it's more accurate than k&m with xim apex.
I think the ideal price for the beginning should be around 100 usd.
If it's gonna be around 150 usd, I wouldn't give it shot, since it's way too much for something I don't know and never used.
BTW don't forget there is shipping cost + taxes in some countries.
The xim apex costed me total 140 usd with all the extra payments.
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Post by: Bully on 10:17 AM - 09/19/21: IMHO if it going to be better than the Official Xbox Elite Wireless Controller Series 2, then the price for that in the UK is £159.99, so should it be based around that price ?

Edit - I probably won’t purchase the Nexus as I really really suck with a controller and I don’t imagine any device would help me play even remotely ok with a controller, so I will stick with the Apex and Mouse and Nav.
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Post by: Moreplay on 12:40 PM - 09/19/21: It depends on the quality of the controller itself. I have 2 elite controllers and for the most part their internal parts are a step above a regular controller. Even my daughter comments on how smooth the elite thumb sticks are vs a regular controller. Does it feel like an OEM or premium controller? If you are going for a more premium look and feel, I would use the elite controller 2 for a reference. That is probably one of the best high end controllers on the market right now.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: OBsIV on 02:52 PM - 09/19/21: Unless we have a version of the product that doesn't include the wireless adapter, there isn't a way we are going to hit $100. In that case, you could only use it on a PC, but, also a XIM4/APEX, or Titan, etc. But, in this configuration, there is no audio. And, we can't guarantee wireless performance (our wireless adapter is optimized around our controller).

This controller's quality is that of a standard Xbox controller, not the Elite. At it's core, the Elite controller is just a regular standard console controller.
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Post by: LITHE on 03:11 PM - 09/19/21: Sorry to be that guy to everyone, but compared to anything else on the market this blows it away and precieved value is important. Scuff doesn't have anything close to this and they sell for $160 to $200. I would go on the higher side. I think most people here don't realize what this is and the amount of development that went into it. Its value is easily on the high end in the controller market.
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Post by: Moreplay on 03:37 PM - 09/19/21: I agree that even if it is on the same quality level of an OEM controller, the added benefit of the gyro aiming pushes this controller into the 150+ range. Leveraging the technology of smart translators into a controller is pretty genius. If the controller takes off, maybe consider eventually making a pro model with more bells and whistles. You honestly could make the ultimate controller.
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Post by: antithesis on 03:55 PM - 09/19/21: Keep in mind there needs to be a margin for distributors. Smaller local distributors currently have almost no wholesale margin on APEX and that results in much higher local retail costs after exchange rates, import taxes & duties, shipping costs and GST / sales tax. Pricing NEXUS at $200 USD is going to translate to $400 AUD, which is totally unreasonable. I need to be able to sell NEXUS for at most $250 AUD and can only do that with a USD price of roughly 50% of that &/or a better wholesale margin.

I’d suggest around $130 to $150 USD (preferably $130 USD) direct to public retail price with a 20-25% margin for wholesale customers (currently only 5% for orders under 1000 units). By comparison, I get 30-40% wholesale discount with other manufacturers regardless of volume, so I don’t think 20% min discount is unreasonable given the exorbitant costs imposed upon us via local taxation and poor exchange rates.

We (local XIM distributors around the world) get wrecked by Chinese / Hong Kong XIM distributors selling on eBay and Amazon at a price lower than we can import stock wholesale. This is because their shipping is government-subsided and they blatantly ignore local tax laws.

These are official XIM distributors who also break eBay and Amazon rules by duplicating their shops 3 or 4 times to completely lock us out of the market. I can buy XIMs wholesale from Chinese distributors cheaper than I can buy direct from XIM Tech - that’s a huge issue.

In short, pump the retail price, but also fatten the margins for distributors so we can make a little profit too. Chinese XIM distributors undercutting local distributors via illegal means needs to be addressed to ensure we are also looked after, not just end-customers. Enforcing a minimum RRP on distributors would help to prevent undercutting too.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: facade on 04:04 PM - 09/19/21: Quote
I’d suggest around $130 to $150

Yea is probably be ok with the $130 (though prefer $100) but understand money has to be made for the product.

I could do the $150 for the XIM since it was allowing KB/M when it wasn't available otherwise, but $150 for a controller is almost guaranteed to not happen for me. That said, i realize some things aren't marketed towards me.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: AgentSmith on 04:45 PM - 09/19/21: Just wanted to chime in on the pricing.
First I would be willing to have the $150 price tag as that would end up being circa £150

Lithe
You are correct, we have not had the pleasure, but to say there is nothing close isn't right at all, Scuff do have gyro enabled controllers. They may not work as well, but that is lack of software, not hardware at fault.
They also have a brand which has the perception of quality outside of its own customer base (however wrong that perception of quality may be)
The Xim currently has a reputation of being "that M/KB cheating device" to people who do not understand what it actually is or what it does.
Brand is a whole lot of perceived value, I mean people swear iphones are good right :-)

PS4 standard controller has a very good working gyro, when used with the right software.
The man himself said the Nexus is of OEM kind of quality so it's competing against a £50 controller in that case.

What will make this controller great is the software, and the fact Obsiv ( It's Obsessive ) is a perfectionist who wants to produce things that fulfil the needs of its users.

Will it be worth $150 to me? Absolutely it will, I paid near that for a wolverine Ultimate and needed to make heavy modifications to make it work for me. I needed to make my own shorter sticks with larger diameter tops, make my own buttons to replace the back buttons so they were actually usable. All in a controller that had drift from day one which I also needed to fix.

This might just be the Xim product that launches the company into direct competition with the bigger well known controller companies.
It's going to be nice for me to be able to say "I use a Xim" while in a game, and not be accused of cheating, the last time I was able to do that ended about 6 months after the launch of Xim4.
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Post by: ColdMan on 04:45 PM - 09/19/21: I bet for 130-140 USD/eur max as there will be taxes in some countries at least here in spain.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: antithesis on 04:52 PM - 09/19/21: To add to my above statement, NEXUS build quality is more akin to a standard Xbox controller, not an Elite or other premium controller. What we’re paying for here is gyro functionality, which isn’t necessarily going to sell at a premium price because it comes with scepticism and perceived risk.

I think customers will be disappointed paying $150 USD if anticipating an Elite-quality build, so price should reflect expectations. A more modest $130 USD price is already a substantial increase over APEX. Double the USD price to get the AUD cost to make it a break-even for me (and others) in Australia, which means a higher wholesale margin needs to be built into that $130 USD price.

TL;DR - $130 USD with 20% wholesale margin is where I would start tinkering with the pricing and distribution model.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: UnRyValD on 08:40 PM - 09/19/21: I like as cheap as possible but I want it to feel premium like the elite controller. I would rather pay 150$ for something that doesn’t feel like a cheap piece of plastic. More than 150 and your market will fall off heavily.
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Post by: eSPAR on 08:45 PM - 09/19/21: If this can be feature rich, like 1000hz polling, then increase the price and build quality to 150-200 because tournament players would like to use it as well as actual gyro/MnK players.

$100 USD is too low. Please focus on peak build quality and better chips in the controller at an increased cost.

Before someone says it won’t be allowed in tournaments, if the Cronus and T2 are allowed, this will be as well.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: OBsIV on 08:51 PM - 09/19/21: T2 and Cronus are allowed in tournaments?

1000Hz won't be possible over wireless but could happen wired. But this wouldn't be something that we could do for release.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: antithesis on 09:23 PM - 09/19/21: Quote from: OBsIV on 08:51 PM - 09/19/21
T2 and Cronus are allowed in tournaments?

1000Hz won't be possible over wireless but could happen wired. But this wouldn't be something that we could do for release.
Yes - Activision uses Titan Two (and previously CronusMAX) for tournaments to overclock the controller. No scripts are allowed.
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Post by: OBsIV on 09:48 PM - 09/19/21: Overclocking controllers? If you mean polling them faster than their self declared interval then has anyone verifed that the controllers are actually producing unique values at that rate? It could be just repeating the last value (or even naking).
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: BA3YDADDY on 12:06 AM - 09/20/21: 150 adapter included is a perfect price ;)
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: gravkaw on 01:16 AM - 09/20/21: Quote from: OBsIV on 09:48 PM - 09/19/21
Overclocking controllers? If you mean polling them faster than their self declared interval then has anyone verifed that the controllers are actually producing unique values at that rate? It could be just repeating the last value (or even naking).

University of Regensburg publication "On the Latency of USB-Connected Input Devices", https://hci.ur.de/publications/on_the_latency_of_usb-connected_input_devices_2019
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Post by: PingThing on 01:40 AM - 09/20/21: Ximmers are going to be willing to pay £150 all day, based purely on the 'i must have this' factor. Joe public however may choose the Apex or even a Scuff or Elite as a preference if priced higher.
I'd be more worried if it was priced too low, so that too many people were interested, and I didn't manage to get one of the first batch... :)
I'd be willing to pay a premium for the 'Founders Edition', then perhaps drop price for subsequent runs. 🤷‍♂️
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Post by: Boltman on 04:52 AM - 09/20/21: It depends on how many of these OBsIV wants to sell. Of course loyal customers are gonna get it, that's a given. I'm being honest when I say if this nexus has a price point over the 125ish range it isn't going to move units like he hopes it will. If he keeps it at that price point, he's gonna do well. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
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Post by: LITHE on 06:16 AM - 09/20/21: What does Scuff have to offer other than paddles? (Which the nexus has bottom buttons)
If scuff can take over with $200 controllers which I hear break easily, NEXUS can easily sell for over 150. This is no longer just an adapter like APEX, its a premium controller. For those that say scuff has gyro, its not like this. The quality of the motion sensor is incredible, and the software and functional features to back it is unreal.
Set aside motion aim, just the amount of tuning you have over the thumbstick is unreal. You don't even realize how much more control you get out of a super tight perfectly tuned deadzone with no drift and also stretching the outer deadzone to get more range of control. The custom curver editor for sticks is amazing and nothing like it exists on the market thanks to Smart Translators.
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Post by: Scrotesmd2 on 06:19 AM - 09/20/21: I'd try to keep it under £150 uk, I think for me personally it would have to be under 150 for someone like me to buy as I'm very much a mouse user. In terms of quality if it equals an Xbox controller that would be amazing. You want to capture the market and not price yourself out while still making a good profit I guess. People would need to know that they sent just paying for the hardware but all the innovation behind it with the software... Think Tesla , not that I want to pay for smart translators in future 😃..
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Post by: eSPAR on 07:09 AM - 09/20/21: Quote from: OBsIV on 08:51 PM - 09/19/21
T2 and Cronus are allowed in tournaments?

1000Hz won't be possible over wireless but could happen wired. But this wouldn't be something that we could do for release.

Yes, PLEASE allow 1000hz through wired connection. Also, please use usb c instead of micro if possible.

People are able to overlock their controller to 1000hz but only on PC. It’s a true overlock that sync’s to PC usb polling rate from what I understand and is a must for rocket league competitive. If you can offer 1000hz without having the user to do some janky stuff, that would be huge!

Lastly, this should be an absolute minimum of $150 if the build quality and feature set is there. Remember, people are buying the Cronus and t2 at $100 and that’s just a controller adding. If you try to cut corners and be stingy and try to reduce the price too low, the product will almost certainly fail/get bad reviews and lead to bad sales.
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Post by: He4DHuNt3r on 07:14 AM - 09/20/21: Quote from: OBsIV on 08:51 PM - 09/19/21
T2 and Cronus are allowed in tournaments?

1000Hz won't be possible over wireless but could happen wired. But this wouldn't be something that we could do for release.

Yes but only when flashed with a "Tournament-Mode" firmware (Disables Scripts) but allows other features like higher polling rates.
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Post by: Saint on 07:30 AM - 09/20/21: There is an old marketing saying ..
"Sell to the masses and you live with the select few, sell to the select few and you will live with the masses."

Anything above $125 means you will be selling to the select few. Add to that it does not work with PS5, this will further reduce customer base. Also, many are currently happy with and used to XimApex.
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Post by: roads on 07:42 AM - 09/20/21: Did not read the other posts but would stay as low as possible simply as at 99$ people will buy two, to have one for a friend who comes over, I mean if they have one. I know Od1n does not, but he gets a free one anyway. 99$ is close to normal controllers people will consider buying the Nexus instead of a regular controller. Also a great Gift price and used Nexus market killer. Better buy a new one :). But sure you will sell all you produce for 150$ also. Maybe earlybird 99$ preorder and then go up to 150$ is a good idea. Well if preorder is an option which never was, right?
Not sure if this gets me back to consoles as VR is too much fun, but the controller is tempting. Really good job Obs.
Title: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: He4DHuNt3r on 08:08 AM - 09/20/21: OMG..... Roads!? is it really you?

Never thought I see you around these parts again ;D
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Post by: roads on 08:19 AM - 09/20/21: lol, lurking and seems I am still on the mailing list.
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Post by: OBsIV on 09:00 AM - 09/20/21: I can't believe it -- is it true, roads is back?? :-)
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Post by: roads on 09:15 AM - 09/20/21: Not really, but maybe the Nexus and PSVR2 could bring me back if the headset is wireless. Will look for the Nexus preorder list.
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Post by: Boltman on 09:27 AM - 09/20/21: Quote from: roads on 07:42 AM - 09/20/21
Did not read the other posts but would stay as low as possible simply as at 99$ people will buy two, to have one for a friend who comes over, I mean if they have one. I know Od1n does not, but he gets a free one anyway. 99$ is close to normal controllers people will consider buying the Nexus instead of a regular controller. Also a great Gift price and used Nexus market killer. Better buy a new one :). But sure you will sell all you produce for 150$ also. Maybe earlybird 99$ preorder and then go up to 150$ is a good idea. Well if preorder is an option which never was, right?
Not sure if this gets me back to consoles as VR is too much fun, but the controller is tempting. Really good job Obs.

Haven't seen you in a minute, good to see ya.

I would def buy 2 nexus' at that price point.
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Post by: Od1n on 10:23 AM - 09/20/21: Long time no see Mr Dog-Turtle, hope everythings fine man! ;D
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Post by: Bretchin on 03:58 PM - 09/20/21: Probably a stupid question, but is the poll in USD or a different currency?
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Post by: LITHE on 04:02 PM - 09/20/21: Quote from: [email protected] on 03:58 PM - 09/20/21
Probably a stupid question, but is the poll in USD or a different currency?

USD
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Post by: Jobe on 04:20 PM - 09/21/21: UK -
MAX of $175 would be £128 without shipping, Sign me up :D
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Post by: AgentSmith on 05:50 AM - 09/22/21: Don't forget the shipping, VAT and import duty.

The Apex was $99 ( approx £72 at the time ), I ordered mine on release day, and in the end it cost me something like £110 ( $154 ) ,
It was more expensive than I could purchase it in the UK, but I wanted it.

It's going to be the same with the nexus, I want it on release. I will try my best to get the order in ( hopefully the Xim shop can handle the connections better this time )
My vote was the middle ground of $126-$150 and I expect to pay more than that in £.

I am expecting a lot from it, and as I have been using a Steam controller and PS4 controller for some time now to utilize the gyro, I know how good they are (the PS4 controller works better for Console as it has 2 thumbsticks, and Steam controller can be set up to perform as well as M/KN for PC games).
I am already used to being able to aim with movement, have multiple functions assigned to a single button. allowing for tap/hold/double tap/repeat, having multiple configurations accessible in various different ways.

All this was achieved buy running the Steam controller app and either remote login to xbox ( stream to PC ) or by using Steam to launch Xim Link and set up using ST's for the respective games.
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Post by: OBsIV on 08:40 AM - 09/22/21: What do you mean about tap/hold/double tap/repeat?
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Post by: AgentSmith on 09:24 AM - 09/22/21: Example. This is using a standard PS4 controller

In the Steam software I can make a button do many different functions. I personally have both bumpers tied to the same button/trigger.

So my left Trigger and Left bumper.

To Throw stun I tap LB
To Throw main grenade I hold LB ( the hold time is adjustable )

While I am holding Left trigger ( ADS) LB = Left Stick Down ( Hold Breath )

I also tend to have LT also auto spot ( repeated every second or so ) while it is triggered for ADS , In Battlefield 1 that means I scan the horizon while ADS with a sniper and auto spot everything visible.

Left Stick has an activation at its extremities so push the stick forward all the way and your running, no need to push the stick down to run. ( It's a thumb saver for sure )

The steam software opens up a world of great functionality to the PS4 and Xbox controllers.
Of course this requires a PC near by, and Xim Link if the Xim is being used, the xim isn't required if using the Xbox remote play system.

To make it work via the Xim , Ximlink needs to be started via steam in big window mode and also requires a program called GlosSC.
If using Xim link you must tell the steam controller software that the left stick is WASD, if you leave it as an anlog it won't work due to a fault in XimLink, ( Same reason you can't use a G13 thumbstick as left stick when using XimLink ).

To make it work using the remote play ( No Xim required ) method steam needs to open a program in your PC, I personally make it open a command prompt, but you could just make it open notepad. It needs to open a program so it can hand the controller to windows via X360.

Hope this helps.
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Post by: OBsIV on 09:34 AM - 09/22/21: Ok, thanks. Yes, we don't have any time-based button bindings. We do have the ability to bind different functions based on how far you pull the trigger. Not yet for how far you push the stick, but, is something I was going to look into since that's a nice feature (sprint on peg).
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Post by: AgentSmith on 09:55 AM - 09/22/21: Have a serious look into what the steam software can do for inspiration, it really is amazing and the results that can be achieved are remarkable.
And on top of everything the controller can be connected to the PC wirelessly, I personally use wired which has no influence on accuracy during motion aiming

There is an issue though which is where I am hoping the Nexus will end as it's been designed to work with ST's and the gyro.

When using the Xim via Xim link, I sometimes get stuttering when I tell the gyro to be a mouse instead of a MouselikeJoystick, where I can see steps in the movement, similar to what can be seen on micro mouse movements on almost of the games that are marked as U in the xim supported list ( games with something missing ) , But that happens way more with the PS4 controller than it does with the Steam controller.
I also got the feeling after many many hours that the resolution of the gyro in the PS4 is very low and the Steam controller very high.
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Post by: OBsIV on 10:12 AM - 09/22/21: Quote from: AgentSmith on 09:55 AM - 09/22/21
Have a serious look into what the steam software can do for inspiration, it really is amazing and the results that can be achieved are remarkable.

One thing about Value and the Steam controller when I've evaluated it in the past is the sheer amount of settings and customization. The cognitive overload was intense. Some of the customization also gave me the strong impression that they didn't really understand the best way to solve certain problems so they added settings in hopes the user would figure it out. I haven't looked at it recently, so, maybe it has improved since then, but, I didn't see having mass appeal at the time.

I agree though that there are definitely things in there to learn from.
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Post by: AgentSmith on 10:29 AM - 09/22/21: It improved over time.

The biggest problem with the software is, it was designed by engineers and the instructions for its use was also written by engineers. They tend to explain things in such a way that you need to have inside information.

For example:

They give an outer ring area on the pads and the stick ( it's what I use to do the auto sprint when pegging the stick ) but that outer ring can also be made as central button on the touch pads. their explanation of this in the instructions was. Outer ring inverted.

The software is a mind field and over time they realised what wasn't needed and what was so made changes to remove unwanted features and replace them with what people seemed to want, but the lack of success IMO was down to it being designed for PC and PC people either play KB/M or plug in a standard controller.
The Steam Link is/was fantastic, but again it didn't really appeal to PC gamers, they don't want to sit on a sofa.
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Post by: mcdonamw on 02:45 PM - 09/22/21: Quote from: LITHE on 03:11 PM - 09/19/21
Sorry to be that guy to everyone, but compared to anything else on the market this blows it away and precieved value is important. Scuff doesn't have anything close to this and they sell for $160 to $200. I would go on the higher side. I think most people here don't realize what this is and the amount of development that went into it. Its value is easily on the high end in the controller market.

Personally I feel SCUF is overpriced, but you get alot. It's a big company, has many options, and the warranty + support is probably something XIM could never compete with.

Also, only a 10 hour battery life? That's pretty low. I believe SCUF has 30 hours. I understand NEXUS is doing so much more, but there's no way to get a bigger battery in there? That low a battery life would drastically hurt price point alone imo.

With all that said, I'd never pay the ridiculous costs for a SCUF or Elite controller, but I'd easily drop $150 on this without thinking about it. Hell I'll likely never even use it as I like my KB/M. But yall deserve to make money on this thing. The tech is amazing.

As much as I'd hate to see it, I could see yall getting bought out by a big company for the tech alone. Of course it'd go to @#$% after I'm sure, but @#$% if you don't deserve a hell of a pay day with the decades of research and development into this. I know that's not OBsIV's goal, but at some point you should get to rest on your hard work LOL.
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Post by: OBsIV on 02:52 PM - 09/22/21: 10 hours is similar to what you get with a DS4 and DS5. It was also tested under heaviest load (maximum input stress, persistent audio, and Manager always connected). If you play without audio and Manager connected, battery life will be higher (but not 30 hours).
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Post by: facade on 03:31 PM - 09/22/21: Quote from: LITHE on 06:16 AM - 09/20/21
What does Scuff have to offer other than paddles? (Which the nexus has bottom buttons)
If scuff can take over with $200 controllers which I hear break easily, NEXUS can easily sell for over 150. This is no longer just an adapter like APEX, its a premium controller. For those that say scuff has gyro, its not like this. The quality of the motion sensor is incredible, and the software and functional features to back it is unreal.
Set aside motion aim, just the amount of tuning you have over the thumbstick is unreal. You don't even realize how much more control you get out of a super tight perfectly tuned deadzone with no drift and also stretching the outer deadzone to get more range of control. The custom curver editor for sticks is amazing and nothing like it exists on the market thanks to Smart Translators.

I'm not saying not to sell it for that price, but i wouldn't buy it just like i won't pay that much for a SCUFF
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: HiredGunSG on 06:26 PM - 09/22/21: Honestly, with the features shown, I would pay probably about 199.99 USD plus tax for it. People buy the Xbox Elite Series 2 for almost 200.00 usd and even more for a Scuf controller. Plus, this will help support future development of even more great research we can expect from the Xim team. I'm sold, just tell me when I can buy one and I will do it. Thank you for such awesome products!
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: Boltman on 07:33 PM - 09/22/21: If it was that much I'd probably pass for now & stick with apex. I don't think this nexus controller is going to last as long as any of my Xims have. Nor as long as any of my mice for that matter.

Controllers just don't seem to last very long. Now this one may be very different, my opinion is merely experiential.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: M_A_D_20 on 06:50 AM - 09/23/21: Quote from: OBsIV on 02:52 PM - 09/22/21
10 hours is similar to what you get with a DS4 and DS5. It was also tested under heaviest load (maximum input stress, persistent audio, and Manager always connected). If you play without audio and Manager connected, battery life will be higher (but not 30 hours).
Was going the xbox controller way ever a thought? Rechargeables/ charging kit ? Would never have to plug a usb. Or is this tech a little bit too power hungry for that to be viable ? Just curious.

10 hours in itself isn't a deal breaker for me, neither is gaming with a wired controller. The only thing that worry me is having to keep plugging the usb into the controller port/ having pressure on the usb port with the hanging cable. Though usb-c do seem more robust than my experience with controllers that had micro usb ports.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: UnRyValD on 04:34 PM - 09/24/21: 200$ is to high. I like the controller but it cannot even be used as a second controller. Unlike every other controller there is.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: TurboMan on 05:21 PM - 09/24/21: Majority vote for $99. Yeesh, y'all really are a bunch of cheapskates ;D I don't think that's a fair price on the XIM team and its distributors. When I had prices in my mind I imagined somewhere in the region of $120-140.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: facade on 05:32 PM - 09/24/21: ^
Probably because at the end of the day it's still a controller and we are all here because we don't want to use a controller lol

I agree with you though
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: Dufniall on 05:07 AM - 10/10/21: How the world is right now and prices on components, i wouldent mind a higher price at first. But would expect a drop when world returns to a more normal where raw materials is cheaper and transport no longer is a problem.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: Atreyu07 on 01:53 PM - 10/10/21: Realistically I want the highest quality product I can. I will find a way to set money aside if needed. I need to product to be the best it possibly can. The cost will be whatever it has to be. As long as its build quality and parts used are the highest quality and it functions exactly how it was designed the price is irrelevant. (within reason of course. Don't just slap some arbitrary $400 price tag on it for no reason.)
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: envir61 on 02:07 PM - 10/10/21: You pay $180 for a scuf and it can’t do what this supposedly can. I’m fine with scud prices
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: facade on 04:24 PM - 10/10/21: Quote from: envir61 on 02:07 PM - 10/10/21
You pay $180 for a scuf

I'll never pay that much for a controller lol

Don't get me wrong it's his product and he can price what he wants, but no I'd never buy a controller for that price.

I paid the XIM price because it's either that or use a controller, which i don't normally want to do. Another controller though? I'll just use the one i have before i pay close to $200
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: envir61 on 10:31 PM - 10/10/21: Quote from: facade on 04:24 PM - 10/10/21
Quote from: envir61 on 02:07 PM - 10/10/21
You pay $180 for a scuf

I'll never pay that much for a controller lol

Don't get me wrong it's his product and he can price what he wants, but no I'd never buy a controller for that price.

I paid the XIM price because it's either that or use a controller, which i don't normally want to do. Another controller though? I'll just use the one i have before i pay close to $200

I hear ya. For me it's great as my son just started playing vid games with me. Me buying another Apex and mouse ++ would run be a couple hundred whereas with the Nexus I don't need to wory about buying another mouse/keybaord etc.

I like controller and still play it often and want my son to play controller as well. Controllers just haven't evoloved the way consoles have and Gyro is where things should be.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: Yungie on 09:06 PM - 10/11/21: I think $150 is a reasonable and respectable price. The people who are choosing $99 are not even going to buy the NEXUS to begin with. Given the specifications and features that this controller contains, $99 is unrealistic and it shouldn’t even be an option.

The main reason why the XIM APEX was released at a $99 retail price was because we had to buy separate components to use it (keyboard and mouse) which can add up to $200 in total price. With the NEXUS however, you get everything out of the box, so the fact that people voted $99 must be living under a rock, with all due respect.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: ganzneu1975 on 04:27 AM - 10/12/21: as far as everything works, I would also pay 200-250 €. My scuf also cost.
I tried to play with controllere again.
Oh my god it doesn't work at all.
It would be interesting whether it makes sense to buy the NEXUS at all, whether I can learn to walk with it.
I can no longer aim with the stick.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: TurboMan on 02:34 AM - 10/19/21: Quote from: facade on 05:32 PM - 09/24/21
^
Probably because at the end of the day it's still a controller and we are all here because we don't want to use a controller lol

I agree with you though

If you're not interested in actually purchasing the product then just don't vote, surely?
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: sergons on 11:44 AM - 10/19/21: I think 130-150 € will be a fair price for nexus.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: facade on 03:43 PM - 10/20/21: Quote from: ZOMBIES! on 02:34 AM - 10/19/21
Quote from: facade on 05:32 PM - 09/24/21
^
Probably because at the end of the day it's still a controller and we are all here because we don't want to use a controller lol

I agree with you though

If you're not interested in actually purchasing the product then just don't vote, surely?

I think you read that way out of context/ misunderstood.

I'm interested in getting it, but not interested enough for $180+ for a controller
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: GamingNerd on 11:48 AM - 10/23/21: Quote from: Od1n on 06:20 AM - 09/19/21
Disclaimer: Poll results are only visible once you participated. The poll is fully anonymous!

Obsiv needs your input on what you would consider to be a competitive price for the XIM NEXUS, and moreso what you would be fine to pay for such a product :).
Originally the plan was to have it priced below APEX, but that may not be possible anymore due to shortages in the semi conductor field causing significant price spikes. Thats why the lowest option is at 100$.

Obsivs original comment with more information:
Quote from: OBsIV on 09:52 PM - 09/18/21
Pricing is tricky right now considering manufacturing completely up and running yet and there are manual steps of course (programming, calibrating, etc). I wanted it to be lower cost than an APEX but I don't think we are going to be able to hit that with the current silicon component situation the world is in right now. It's really bad. Prices for chips are ridiculous. Perhaps if we sold it without the adapter (PC use only) but not with it. So we are still working it out.

Maybe the community can give some idea what's on their mind concerning price. It would be good to know what your thoughts are.
Any number between $100-$150 would be reasonable.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: GamingNerd on 11:49 AM - 10/23/21: Quote from: facade on 03:43 PM - 10/20/21
Quote from: ZOMBIES! on 02:34 AM - 10/19/21
Quote from: facade on 05:32 PM - 09/24/21
^
Probably because at the end of the day it's still a controller and we are all here because we don't want to use a controller lol

I agree with you though
Nope! $180 and higher would be totally unreasonable in today's market.

If you're not interested in actually purchasing the product then just don't vote, surely?

I think you read that way out of context/ misunderstood.

I'm interested in getting it, but not interested enough for $180+ for a controller
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: Xelium on 01:18 AM - 12/18/21: 99$

This device can sell like hot cakes if you keep it under 100$. Since most original controllers now go for 60 to 80$. I think an extra 20$ on top of that is acceptable.

We need to see the actual build quality. I will take it apart once I get one and determine how much it should be sold for. Right now, it's just speculations.

At 150, you will greatly reduce sales anyway. 99 is the sweet spot indeed.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: Xelium on 01:29 AM - 12/18/21: Quote from: Yungie on 09:06 PM - 10/11/21

The main reason why the XIM APEX was released at a $99 retail price was because we had to buy separate components With the NEXUS however, you get everything out of the box, so the fact that people voted $99 must be living under a rock, with all due respect.

You don't take peripherals into consideration when you sell something. At 99$ the XIM was already quite overpriced with a pretty good margin. There's no cutting edge tech in a XIM, even upon day one release. I'm pretty sure the manufacturing costs are pretty low.

The same goes with the NEXUS. It will all come down to build quality. There's, again, no cutting edge new tech in a NEXUS. Just a smart use of what's already on the market.

99$ is indeed a decent price for it.

Coming from someone who lives under a rock.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: SpeQzz on 01:56 AM - 12/18/21: Your main competition would be something like the Elite controller, which is $180. You're missing some of its features, like the swappable thumbsticks / D-Pad, on-controller profile swapping, hair triggers and charging dock.

Of course you have the gyro which is a huge plus, but people who aren't familiar with it might not see the value, particularly Playstation and Nintendo people who have used inferior gyro before. If you want to target those people, you'd need to go probably $120 or below.

If you're only interested in people who understand the product, you could charge $150. That would also ensure a better flow of supply for the XIM enthusiasts.

Personally I'd focus on getting the Nexus into the hands of XIM enthusiasts for now. Later you can look at introducing a Pro variant which has more Elite-like features, and dropping the regular Nexus in price.

Side note: The amount of CAPTCHA on this site is a little absurd. Any chance that could be changed?
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: OBsIV on 01:57 AM - 12/18/21: There is no cutting edge tech in XIM APEX or NEXUS? Our translation IP is what differentiates us from the competition and what makes XIM products the standard to beat. The amount of R&D that goes into that is extensive. That tech exists within NEXUS too which is why you can game with high precision motion in a massive catelog of games that don't support it. There isn't anything else like it on the market. The NEXUS build quality will not exceed that of an Xbox One controller.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: OBsIV on 01:59 AM - 12/18/21: Quote from: SpeQzz on 01:56 AM - 12/18/21
The amount of CAPTCHA on this site is a little absurd. Any chance that could be changed?

Apologies for that. Our forum has gotten large enough to the point where we are constantly targeted with spam. It's the only thing that keeps it from being bad to being overwhelmed. It'll stop after a few posts (I think its 5 but no more than 10).
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: ultimateisready on 06:03 PM - 01/10/22: I was voting for lowest price . But the Features are insane. I would Go to 200$ + so Not every random can buy It ;D and i can Farm the randoms who prefer buy some scuff oder dumb sht instead of this amazing Product.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: Teeroy on 12:05 PM - 01/11/22: Honestly I'd expect it to be around $150 for the features on this thing. I'd love to pay less but I'd happily pay $200 to secure one immediately. I play with gyro aim on PC and use the Xim to play with .ouse on Xbox. It is exceedingly calua le to me to have continuity between platforms. Being able to play with the same peripheral on both AND use gyro aim has me super hyped.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: Abandon on 03:22 PM - 01/11/22: If these are built and are meant to release in a few weeks the price must be known, will we be told at least a few days before orders open?
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: OBsIV on 08:29 PM - 01/11/22: We actually don't know the final total production cost as of yet.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: facade on 08:35 AM - 01/12/22: Quote from: OBsIV on 08:29 PM - 01/11/22
We actually don't know the final total production cost as of yet.

$3.50
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: Yungie on 09:50 AM - 01/12/22: Quote from: facade on 08:35 AM - 01/12/22
Quote from: OBsIV on 08:29 PM - 01/11/22
We actually don't know the final total production cost as of yet.

$3.50

Sounds expensive.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: facade on 09:54 AM - 01/12/22: Indeed, but I'm willing to splurge a bit for this.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: Rizarius on 04:23 PM - 01/14/22: Seriously, I would straight up pay $150.00 US, no dought. I want to support this project, as well as many others do, and have in the past.
Title: Re: Poll: What is your ideal price for XIM NEXUS?
Post by: SuponjiBobu on 04:37 PM - 01/14/22: I voted for $126-$150.

I think it would be a steal at $99, but I think the feature set is comparable to some of the pricier controllers. The Nexus doesn't have swappable/adjustable thumbsticks (like the Elite Series 2 or Wolverine controllers), but I'd argue it's not necessary since aiming will primarily be done with gyro. Would've loved to have trigger stops though!