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Title: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: CarbonatedStank on 02:52 PM - 08/31/21
So i know the new update supports certain 3rd party controllers to be used to play ps5 games. Will it only work for certain games or should it be able to work with future titles such as bf 2042?
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: CarbonatedStank on 04:05 PM - 08/31/21
BF 2042 checks for Dual Sense controller, - it won't work with XIM.

Confirmed by a friend who works on gaming journalism, he tried a closed alpha for press months ago.

He wasn't looking for XIM compatibility, he doesn't even know about it... just told me that DualSense mechanics with weapons is the differentiator factor on PS, while on XBS is the cross progression XB to PC.

No native Keyboard and Mouse Support either.

Really? even if i used the hori mini gamepad or the other controllers listed that can work with ps5 games? if so im gonna be upsetty spaghetti
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: AMG on 04:10 PM - 08/31/21
Sorry for deliver the bad news, yeah... no sir, it won't work with 3rd party controllers either.

Game will search for Dualsense Controller only.

The only option is settle with lower graphics on the PS4 version, but buying a new console for playing past gen games is wack, right?.
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: CarbonatedStank on 04:34 PM - 08/31/21
Sorry for deliver the bad news, yeah... no sir, it won't work with 3rd party controllers either.

Game will search for Dualsense Controller only.

The only option is settle with lower graphics on the PS4 version, but buying a new console for playing past gen games is wack, right?.
Yeah no kidding this actually sucks, i bought it for ps5 and got a ps5 really for this and demon souls. i have a pc but i want it to run perfect and also be able to opt out of pc considering the hackers and the recent deal with hackers getting like a tb of info on the new engine. i know it works fine with the series x supposedly but @#$%. is there even a possibility of a firmware update to support ps5 controllers like ever?? also upgrading to a better pc is super hard as of late and figured it be a better idea for the triple as to run on a ps5
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: CarbonatedStank on 05:33 PM - 08/31/21
Sorry for deliver the bad news, yeah... no sir, it won't work with 3rd party controllers either.

Game will search for Dualsense Controller only.

The only option is settle with lower graphics on the PS4 version, but buying a new console for playing past gen games is wack, right?.
Yeah no kidding this actually sucks, i bought it for ps5 and got a ps5 really for this and demon souls. i have a pc but i want it to run perfect and also be able to opt out of pc considering the hackers and the recent deal with hackers getting like a tb of info on the new engine. i know it works fine with the series x supposedly but @#$%. is there even a possibility of a firmware update to support ps5 controllers like ever?? also upgrading to a better pc is super hard as of late and figured it be a better idea for the triple as to run on a ps5

I feel you, my friends (IRL) only play on Playstation, slaughtering squeaker try-hards is our poker night, you know. I have a decent PC rig, but I'm sick of hackers...

Even though I got XBSX as a gift... I rarely play on it, enjoyed every minute how smooth it runs... but miss my friends.

XIM Devs let us know they stop looking for workarounds, maybe in the future if there is a breakthrough, can't speak for them, can't blame them either, Sony is doing anticonsumer practices, is annoying for us but for speciality controller for disable people is even worse.

Honestly you are in the best moment to sell your PS5 and get an XB series S and make a profit on it. Just saying.

I will get back to the controller on PS5, seat back and play less... got my thumb almost rip-off on an accident, reconstructed can't play for long without pain.
In the same boat my dude, all my friends are either on ps or pc. so this just straight up blows. thanks for the answer though. Truly would be a godsend if xim apex can get full ps5 support
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: Amuro on 03:50 AM - 09/01/21
BF 2042 checks for Dual Sense controller, - it won't work with XIM.

Confirmed by a friend who works on gaming journalism, he tried a closed alpha for press months ago.

He wasn't looking for XIM compatibility, he doesn't even know about it... just told me that DualSense mechanics with weapons is the differentiator factor on PS, while on XBS is the cross progression XB to PC.

No native Keyboard and Mouse Support either.
The game supports cross-play between consoles and PC so are you sure there's no native keyboard and mouse support? 
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: stratox on 07:19 AM - 09/01/21
Xbox series x will support XIM for BF 2042 without problem?
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: Oskool on 02:09 PM - 09/01/21
Xbox series x will support XIM for BF 2042 without problem?

Yes!
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: AMG on 02:19 PM - 09/01/21
The game supports cross-play between consoles and PC so are you sure there's no native keyboard and mouse support?
Positive, keep in mind it was a preview version this might change (finger crossed).

Xbox series x will support XIM for BF 2042 without problem?
Yep 100%, through and through no issues.

Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: Snoopundercover on 07:48 PM - 09/01/21
... but miss my friends.



Hi Alan, this news has just hit me like a ton of bricks too, but you sound like you'll know more about this than me, you may have some cross play experience from other games and I've only played PS.

So the PS5 is out and the XboxX is in, I'll get over it. All my friends are on PS5 though.

When it comes to cross play do you know;

1) How does cross play work when adding people to your game/squad?

2) Can you add friends (as in friend request) across platforms? I'm assuming I'll need to find my mates quickly.

3) How do cross platform chat settings work? I'm assuming in game chat works, but maybe party chat doesn't?

I read an old edit thread about it and someone suggested getting the Arctis 9 headphones which can connect to the console and mobile phone at the same time. Then you could just use the PSN app to join friends party chats.
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: CarbonatedStank on 01:44 PM - 09/02/21
I know remote play has been said countless times but there is a really good way of doing it. If you happen to have an extra screen to set up and set up your xim on what its being streamed on, you could just use the original screen to play on and i havent been able to notice any input lag tbh. truly a god send ;D
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: OBsIV on 02:00 PM - 09/02/21
I know remote play has been said countless times but there is a really good way of doing it. If you happen to have an extra screen to set up and set up your xim on what its being streamed on, you could just use the original screen to play on and i havent been able to notice any input lag tbh. truly a god send ;D

Are you using wireless connections?
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: CarbonatedStank on 06:35 PM - 09/02/21
I know remote play has been said countless times but there is a really good way of doing it. If you happen to have an extra screen to set up and set up your xim on what its being streamed on, you could just use the original screen to play on and i havent been able to notice any input lag tbh. truly a god send ;D

Are you using wireless connections?
using wifi on my console and using ethernet for my pc. Essentially just streaming my inputs from my xim.
Turned down the quality of the stream to 540p and 30fps to get some more pow for the latency. And i couldn't notice any input lag at all. Tested it today on a ps4 pro on bfv. Was getting 40 - 50 kill games on tdm. I think since im streaming in home network theres essentially non existent lag.
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: CarbonatedStank on 06:36 PM - 09/02/21
I know remote play has been said countless times but there is a really good way of doing it. If you happen to have an extra screen to set up and set up your xim on what its being streamed on, you could just use the original screen to play on and i havent been able to notice any input lag tbh. truly a god send ;D

Are you using wireless connections?
using wifi on my console and using ethernet for my pc. Essentially just streaming my inputs from my xim.
Turned down the quality of the stream to 540p and 30fps to get some more pow for the latency. And i couldn't notice any input lag at all. Tested it today on a ps4 pro on bfv. Was getting 40 - 50 kill games on tdm. I think since im streaming in home network theres essentially non existent lag.

And of course im using the original screen so im getting native resolution and 60 fps
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: OBsIV on 08:50 PM - 09/02/21
The reason I ask is because I was looking into taking one of these to use instead of a PC ($10): https://www.adafruit.com/product/3400?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrNDy3uTh8gIVQgnnCh1aUAPBEAQYASABEgIOnfD_BwE

There is an excellent open source PS5 Remote Play client out there that would run on this board but wouldn't work well because of the video decoding -- which isn't needed. I would modify the code to ignore it.

Are you using WiFi 6? If not, what version of Wifi is your router.
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: Amuro on 09:54 PM - 09/02/21
I know remote play has been said countless times but there is a really good way of doing it. If you happen to have an extra screen to set up and set up your xim on what its being streamed on, you could just use the original screen to play on and i havent been able to notice any input lag tbh. truly a god send ;D

Are you using wireless connections?
using wifi on my console and using ethernet for my pc. Essentially just streaming my inputs from my xim.
Turned down the quality of the stream to 540p and 30fps to get some more pow for the latency. And i couldn't notice any input lag at all. Tested it today on a ps4 pro on bfv. Was getting 40 - 50 kill games on tdm. I think since im streaming in home network theres essentially non existent lag.
Will it work if PC and console are connected to same monitor and both are on wired connections?
 
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: OBsIV on 10:00 PM - 09/02/21
Yes. All this is used for is to send your XIM inputs to the console over Wifi instead of USB.
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: PinnieTHEwooH on 08:29 AM - 09/03/21
The reason I ask is because I was looking into taking one of these to use instead of a PC ($10): https://www.adafruit.com/product/3400?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrNDy3uTh8gIVQgnnCh1aUAPBEAQYASABEgIOnfD_BwE

There is an excellent open source PS5 Remote Play client out there that would run on this board but wouldn't work well because of the video decoding -- which isn't needed. I would modify the code to ignore it.

Are you using WiFi 6? If not, what version of Wifi is your router.

Sweet. Didn't realize raspberry could run Remote Play. I have Raspberry pi 3 around here somewhere. Have to test it with Chiaki if it works.
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: Od1n on 09:00 AM - 09/03/21
The reason I ask is because I was looking into taking one of these to use instead of a PC ($10): https://www.adafruit.com/product/3400?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrNDy3uTh8gIVQgnnCh1aUAPBEAQYASABEgIOnfD_BwE

There is an excellent open source PS5 Remote Play client out there that would run on this board but wouldn't work well because of the video decoding -- which isn't needed. I would modify the code to ignore it.

Are you using WiFi 6? If not, what version of Wifi is your router.

Yesterday a Youtube viewer has approached me and told me that there are third party Remote Play apps that have even less input lag than the official software, maybe thats worth a try too. One app that he mentioned is called PS Play. I asked him about the other ones and im currently waiting for his reply.

Also if that turns out to be an option, it would be a good idea to also offer a 35$ Raspberry 4 option next to the Pi Zero W which has an ethernet port. When i tried remote play the last time one of the worst experiences was when wifi packets got dropped and your aim stopped a few pixel too soon. With a wired connection you can eliminate that.
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: OBsIV on 10:04 AM - 09/03/21
It's yet to be seen the level of drops you'd get if the code running on the Pi is modified to ignore all video stream packets (which, of course, means no decoding either). The Wifi radio will still be busy reading the packets which is a concern, which makes direct wired ethernet connection appealing, but, that means it needs to be connected to your router directly somehow. This is why a solution like this could be problematic for a lot of people. In the ideal world, you connect your XIM to the Pi and Pi to a USB port on your PS5 and it just works. But, the means a wireless connection from the Pi to your router (which you said you experienced drops).
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: AMG on 12:18 PM - 09/03/21
Wow, I didn't know either about the Remote Play on Raspberry Pi. I have a RPi 4B, using as a HiRes Music Streamer; interesting.

Snoopundercover, sorry I do want to know more too, but my friend was the one who tried the game and is under a NDA, I tried to squeeze info from him... but he didn't tell me much, just like game is a love letter for BF4 players Battlefield "multiverse", dualsense is great with weapons and crossprogression on XB-PC is 100%.
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: He4DHuNt3r on 12:51 PM - 09/03/21
@Od1n

I can't find this "PS Play" app you are talking about? I did find "Chiaki" - And it surprisingly works very well :)

You are not restricted to using a DualShock V2, Currently using a Xbox controller on the PS5 version of Cold War.

https://sr.ht/~thestr4ng3r/chiaki/

My PC & PS5 are connected to my router by Ethernet.  (Netgear XR500)
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: OBsIV on 01:25 PM - 09/03/21
My PC & PS5 are connected to my router by Ethernet.  (Netgear XR500)

Yeah, having direct wired connection would work very well. Something like using a Pi would work great in that case too. What needs to be figured out is if you can have both PS5 and Pi (with video stream decode disabled) wirelessly connected to your network and it still work well.
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: Od1n on 07:19 PM - 09/03/21
But, that means it needs to be connected to your router directly somehow. This is why a solution like this could be problematic for a lot of people. In the ideal world, you connect your XIM to the Pi and Pi to a USB port on your PS5 and it just works. But, the means a wireless connection from the Pi to your router (which you said you experienced drops).

Yes it would be problematic for most users but still, it would be nice to have it as an alternative for those who want the best connection possible. I have a dLan setup and a Pi 4 at home with an ethernet port, so it would be fairly easy for me to have the Pi connected via ethernet to the router and via wire to the PS5 :).
The Pi 4 also comes with USB ports unlike the Zero W, so you can directly connect your XIM to it.


@Od1n

I can't find this "PS Play" app you are talking about? I did find "Chiaki" - And it surprisingly works very well :)

You are not restricted to using a DualShock V2, Currently using a Xbox controller on the PS5 version of Cold War.

https://sr.ht/~thestr4ng3r/chiaki/

My PC & PS5 are connected to my router by Ethernet.  (Netgear XR500)

PS Play is an android app i think, ill check out Chiaki on the weekend! Thanks for the suggestion! :)
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: OBsIV on 07:50 PM - 09/03/21
Chiaki is the one I've been reviewing. It includes Pi support now.
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: CarbonatedStank on 05:05 PM - 09/04/21
BF 2042 checks for Dual Sense controller, - it won't work with XIM.

Confirmed by a friend who works on gaming journalism, he tried a closed alpha for press months ago.

He wasn't looking for XIM compatibility, he doesn't even know about it... just told me that DualSense mechanics with weapons is the differentiator factor on PS, while on XBS is the cross progression XB to PC.

No native Keyboard and Mouse Support either.

Hey so i was just talking to a guy about the hori mini controller trick and updating the xim firmware. He was able to play demon souls on his xim just fine and that game is a perfect example of a ps5 exclusive, dualsense only game. So i could only imagine that if that works then it should definitely work on bf 2042.
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: facade on 05:21 PM - 09/04/21
BF 2042 checks for Dual Sense controller, - it won't work with XIM.

Confirmed by a friend who works on gaming journalism, he tried a closed alpha for press months ago.

He wasn't looking for XIM compatibility, he doesn't even know about it... just told me that DualSense mechanics with weapons is the differentiator factor on PS, while on XBS is the cross progression XB to PC.

No native Keyboard and Mouse Support either.

Hey so i was just talking to a guy about the hori mini controller trick and updating the xim firmware. He was able to play demon souls on his xim just fine and that game is a perfect example of a ps5 exclusive, dualsense only game. So i could only imagine that if that works then it should definitely work on bf 2042.

To my knowledge Demons Souls doesn't look for DS controller so it allows you to use XIM with Hori just like Cold War does. 

The issue is more and more newer games are specifically looking for the DualSense controller so it won't let you use the Hori.

not sure if you were just saying that hoping since it works for Demons Souls it will work for BF or just saying DualSense games shouldn't require Dualsense

Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: Y on 09:07 PM - 09/05/21
Chiaki is the one I've been reviewing. It includes Pi support now.

Is Chiaki safe for my PSN acc? The way u login is sus for me Idk 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: He4DHuNt3r on 05:07 AM - 09/07/21
Is Chiaki safe for my PSN acc? The way u login is sus for me Idk 🤷‍♂️

It's Safe :)

If you are worried, you could just enable 2FA on your PSN account.
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: AgentSmith on 11:43 AM - 09/07/21
I use remote play a crap load so I can use my Steam controller on Xbox SeriesX ( no Xim required using remote via PC ) ,  The gyro is as good as a mouse in some situations,  and If I get accused of using KB/M ( Happens often ) then I can put on a web cam and show a steam controller.  :-)
I can even use a PS4 controller and utilise the gyro, which is great, Not even close to the steam controller but it is great.

The game is being played via remote but I am playing on the Xbox screen ( PC monitor ). There is a tiny amount of input lag when compared to direct, but I bet it's less than playing on even a Good TV with game mode.

The only game so far I have found to give problems is B04, the aim system in that game is the worst ever.
Title: Re: PS5 BF 2042
Post by: facade on 05:07 PM - 09/07/21
The reason I ask is because I was looking into taking one of these to use instead of a PC ($10): https://www.adafruit.com/product/3400?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrNDy3uTh8gIVQgnnCh1aUAPBEAQYASABEgIOnfD_BwE

There is an excellent open source PS5 Remote Play client out there that would run on this board but wouldn't work well because of the video decoding -- which isn't needed. I would modify the code to ignore it.

Are you using WiFi 6? If not, what version of Wifi is your router.

Yesterday a Youtube viewer has approached me and told me that there are third party Remote Play apps that have even less input lag than the official software, maybe thats worth a try too. One app that he mentioned is called PS Play. I asked him about the other ones and im currently waiting for his reply.

Also if that turns out to be an option, it would be a good idea to also offer a 35$ Raspberry 4 option next to the Pi Zero W which has an ethernet port. When i tried remote play the last time one of the worst experiences was when wifi packets got dropped and your aim stopped a few pixel too soon. With a wired connection you can eliminate that.


Could you link where I would go about trying this (software/build/etc)

I have a Pi 4 that I currently use to run emulators/Kodi/Learn Linux and wouldn't mind seeing if that would actually work.