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Title: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: RAZEREmployee314 on 12:33 AM - 02/15/11
Okay, I know I said my last post would be my last post, but I thought some of you might be interested in this.

I wanted to interest some of my co-workers here in XIM3, but for them to show the least concern MS has to give the product a thumbs-up, or else it's simply a moot point.  So, I asked my good friend, Bella, at MS about the XIM:
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Is it a violation of the XBox Live TOS to use a XIM3 keyboard & mouse adapter as seen here:http://store.xim3.com/XIM3_p_8.html ? Thanks.

 and here's what she had to say:

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As I understand, you're checking if  using a 3rd party keyboard and mouse adapter on the console's going to be a violation to the terms of use.
 
The answer to the said inquiry would be, "no". You can feel free using the mentioned external accessories. However, we are unable to guarantee its efficiency with the console. We would highly recommend you to continue using the certified Xbox 360 accessory to optimize your gaming experience.
 
I hope I was able to help you on your concern today.
 
If you need to reply to this e-mail, please reply 'with history' (include any previous e-mail) or reference to Service Request Number 1148980051, so we can expedite our service to you.
Thank you for visiting Xbox.com. If you should have future questions on Xbox products or services, please be sure to revisit our Web site as we are continually adding information to enhance our service.
 
Best Regards,
Bella
Microsoft XBOX Support Services
http://support.microsoft.com/

So, there you have it.  XIM3 is legit and you'll not have to worry about being banned for it.

Hope some of you find this helpful.




edit by Od1n:

here the actual proof, a screenshot of the email
it can be also seen on page 4 of this topic

(http://i.imgur.com/2c3NGl.jpg)

click for higher resolution: http://i.imgur.com/2c3NG.jpg
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Metal on 12:35 AM - 02/15/11
Sticky this @#$% for the peeps who keep asking it.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Skippy on 12:40 AM - 02/15/11
Nice job!
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: MadClown on 12:41 AM - 02/15/11
That'll show those ignorant fools!
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Mountshy on 12:42 AM - 02/15/11
Razer, I don't want you to stop posting.
Maybe post less promoting Razer products, but when you contribute things like this, you're a valuable member.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Halowood on 12:47 AM - 02/15/11
I Love You
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Renegade on 12:47 AM - 02/15/11
Thumbs up!  8)
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: RAZEREmployee314 on 12:52 AM - 02/15/11
Thanks, all.  It is hard to shake the marketing after spending 40 hours a week immersed in it.

XIM really interests me though, so I have a hard time staying away.  Just hoping to keep a low profile here.

Did anyone else chuckle at the part where she says,
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We would highly recommend you to continue using the certified Xbox 360 accessory to optimize your gaming experience.
  It kinda' cracks me up.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Mountshy on 12:57 AM - 02/15/11
Thanks, all.  It is hard to shake the marketing after spending 40 hours a week immersed in it.

XIM really interests me though, so I have a hard time staying away.  Just hoping to keep a low profile here.

Did anyone else chuckle at the part where she says,
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We would highly recommend you to continue using the certified Xbox 360 accessory to optimize your gaming experience.
  It kinda' cracks me up.
I hate that they say things like that.
Like 90% of Microsoft controllers have slow turn and not to mention the audio overload issue with the Astro mix-amp that causes random shots to be fire.  One of my wired's won't zoom anymore because apparently I wore out the joystick's push button.
Pretty frustrating.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Ding Chavez on 12:57 AM - 02/15/11
You could also just read the Xbox Live Terms of Use... its not that long, I have read it.  XIM3 is not in violation of any rule.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Quad Damage on 12:59 AM - 02/15/11
Possible to post a screenshot of that email?
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Heat on 01:01 AM - 02/15/11
My drug dealer highly recommends to continuing using his products for an optimized experience too, same concept I guess.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: ryan123 on 01:02 AM - 02/15/11
you need to put this on all the main xim3 pages, start putting it on the instructions and everything
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Mountshy on 01:03 AM - 02/15/11
you need to put this on all the main xim3 pages, start putting it on the instructions and everything
OB is getting it tat'd to his back.
 ;D
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: yanisakk on 01:09 AM - 02/15/11
We would highly recommend you to continue using the certified Xbox 360 accessory to optimize your gaming experience.

Ummm, this all I have to say in terms of FPS's...

http://www.youtube.com/embed/WrjwaqZfjIY (http://www.youtube.com/embed/WrjwaqZfjIY)
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Madwombatz on 01:18 AM - 02/15/11
Thanks, all.  It is hard to shake the marketing after spending 40 hours a week immersed in it.

XIM really interests me though, so I have a hard time staying away.  Just hoping to keep a low profile here.

Did anyone else chuckle at the part where she says,
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We would highly recommend you to continue using the certified Xbox 360 accessory to optimize your gaming experience.
  It kinda' cracks me up.

I hope you do stick around and remain active. I think its good to have different views and product specialist around the forums.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: hot shot on 01:59 AM - 02/15/11
Possible to post a screenshot of that email?
I second this. I'm sceptical.

Edit: I'm not sceptical about the statement, good news, but what about this email?
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Zen on 02:00 AM - 02/15/11
The XIM3 is a great product for Razer. Think of the sales in Razer mice for use with the XIM3.

Good thread BTW
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: doc_shock on 02:05 AM - 02/15/11
Yes do stay around RAZEREmployee314 I'd hate to think any of us alienated a Razerguy from our formus, and hopefully this thread will serve as the end all be all to all of those misinformed ignorant noob threads arguing that using xim3 and m/kb is cheating or violating xbox live tos in anyway.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: sebastian9 on 02:19 AM - 02/15/11
Wow, this random has an audience of gullible preachers. Even if this is true, who said she can leave the kitchen anyways?   :D
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: pulpbiggles on 02:22 AM - 02/15/11
Wow, this random has an audience of gullible preachers. Even if this is true, who said she can leave the kitchen anyways?   :D

LOL, well occasionally she has important business to take care to in the bedroom. ;)

Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: sebastian9 on 02:26 AM - 02/15/11
LOL, well occasionally she has important business to take care to in the bedroom. ;)

I personally prefer the cupboard, next to the cutting board.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: pulpbiggles on 02:27 AM - 02/15/11
I personally prefer the cupboard, next to the cutting board.

I like the efficiency of your approach, 1 room - 2 purposes.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: b1eachy on 02:30 AM - 02/15/11
 ;) imagine if razer and Xim3 team teamed up and screated some super ub3r xim machine!!! OMFg!! WOWOOOW!


ye.... that would be cool.  :P
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: HeavyMetal on 02:31 AM - 02/15/11
The XIM3 is a great product for Razer. Think of the sales in Razer mice for use with the XIM3.

Good thread BTW

I think most will go with Logitech.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Zen on 02:33 AM - 02/15/11
The XIM3 is a great product for Razer. Think of the sales in Razer mice for use with the XIM3.

Good thread BTW



I think most will go with Logitech.

Of course they will (on this forum anyway) but Razer mice will still get sold.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: hot shot on 03:16 AM - 02/15/11
;) imagine if razer and Xim3 team teamed up and screated some super ub3r xim machine!!! OMFg!! WOWOOOW!

ye.... that would be cool.  :P

OBsIV and his team already created that machine (XIM3), without razer onboard. So what's the point?
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: tameanaka on 07:16 AM - 02/15/11
So you just basically proved what we already knew...glad you "came back" to let us know.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Seriousface2 on 07:31 AM - 02/15/11
i wish I had never seen that message... My friend... you have JUST parted the red sea. I hope you are prepared for those super controller users out there man because this is gonna go into some weird directions. Even my brother is a afraid to play me on KB/M cause he seen what we can do on PC and he kills me with the controller lol. You know these days gaming on XBOX really only comes down to the guy with the best internet connection any ways so, still at this point even if I have a XIM3 with me I may not use it as much I would like it just for that reason, well online anyways cause I can still use it offline but not for all games :(. I hope this thing don't spilt controllers and KB/M up... but I have a feeling it will.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: BlackDeath on 07:40 AM - 02/15/11
TYVM for that info - I 2nd the motion to STICKY this please.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: hot shot on 07:43 AM - 02/15/11
Hi Seriousface2, i'm not sure if I understood you correctly.
Do you mean that Microsoft might separate XIM3 and gamepad players from each other in multiplayer, with a technical barrier?
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: POW on 08:07 AM - 02/15/11
You do know that Microsoft can update their TOS at any given time right.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: jiffy on 08:25 AM - 02/15/11
You do know that Microsoft can update their TOS at any given time right.

Yes and whether that turns out to be legal is another argument...changing T&C would involve compensation for goods purchased.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Seriousface2 on 08:51 AM - 02/15/11
Hi Seriousface2, i'm not sure if I understood you correctly.
Do you mean that Microsoft might separate XIM3 and gamepad players from each other in multiplayer, with a technical barrier?

Naw man that is not what I meant by it... you see, I have heard A LOT of people mention that one of the reasons that they play XBOX is that the community in XBOX is better and more social and everything. So, if people start to figure out what these "XIM3-THINGS" are then the community will split up to those whom use XIM3s and those of who are controller users only. Since "Some Random lady from M$ has given the  *Unofficial* ok  hehe and seeing as she knows the TOS like the back of her hand" Then its all legit, and they can't stop us, but what makes the community great is because no one knows we are using KB/M. So, my question to everyone else is... when you go into a room do you say that you are using a KB/M or do you just play the game and say nothing about it? I know when I jump in the game I will right from the gate let people know that I am not playing the same way they are. All my XBL friends use the controller and im the only one out of them that can use the KB/M ( @#$% @#$% XFPS 4.0) <--I HATE YOU!!!  >:(. Anyways, if this thing goes mainstream ... the community will spilt into two groups, which has been said in other forums as well.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: legendboy on 09:04 AM - 02/15/11
Maybe razer is going to be the company to scoop xim up, i mean its inevitably going to happen  (unless obsiv is one of those strange breed of people that actually enjoy 9-5)
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: OMGsus on 09:08 AM - 02/15/11
Okay, I know I said my last post would be my last post...

I'm too lazy to look, why are you leaving us :(
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: BaRaCudA on 09:11 AM - 02/15/11
You do know that Microsoft can update their TOS at any given time right.

Yes and whether that turns out to be legal is another argument...changing T&C would involve compensation for goods purchased.

Hopefully we can buy one before the TOS is updated.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: hot shot on 09:14 AM - 02/15/11
Anyways, if this thing goes mainstream ... the community will spilt into two groups, which has been said in other forums as well.
Thanks for clarifying. I hope the community will not be split. We will see.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: RAZEREmployee314 on 09:26 AM - 02/15/11
Hey, guys.  I'll get a screen shot of the e-mail up when I get home after work (and the gym) tonight.  :)
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: jiffy on 09:29 AM - 02/15/11
Hey, guys.  I'll get a screen shot of the e-mail up when I get home after work (and the gym) tonight.  :)

Thanks, as 'some' seem to be questioning your honesty, I have also shot a mail off. ;)
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Soulo on 09:31 AM - 02/15/11
Sticky this @#$% for the peeps who keep asking it.

Yes and to the original post you sir are awesome!  Now I can remove my sig and just put a link to this thread instead.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: RAZEREmployee314 on 09:34 AM - 02/15/11
Okay, I know I said my last post would be my last post...

I'm too lazy to look, why are you leaving us :(

My past transgressions.  I was promoting Razer products here on XIM forums and got a little heat for it, understandably.

Anyhow, I'm toning down the promoting.  It's tough though, when you're doing it all day, to just switch it off completely.  So, I vowed to leave and never return, but when I checked with MS about using XIM on the XBox the response was so positive I had to share.

In a way I hope to have redeemed myself.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Flamemonkey on 09:45 AM - 02/15/11
Now, we don't mind you being a sort of messenger to Razer -- Honestly I'd think it would be awesome if there were some kind of XIM3 tie in, maybe just increased compatibility with the device (Or something), but it's not that you necessarily had to "redeem yourself".
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: singlecoilpickup on 10:22 AM - 02/15/11
I don't mind the Razer posts so much. I don't think the Razer Onza is a competitor for the XIM3 for FPS games, but I'm probably still going to buy one. There's games I don't really want to play with a mouse and keyboard (GTA and RDR come to mind) but wouldn't mind extra control and accuracy anyway. The Onza solves that need, I think. It also looks like the d-pad doesn't blow chunks.

So I wouldn't say no one here wants to hear about the Onza, I think you just need to tone it down with the "you don't need a mouse and keyboard when you have the Onza" rhetoric, because that's simply not the case. But I do think the products can co-exist. I'll probably even use the Onza for killstreak perks with my XIM3 rather than switching profiles. Even with decent sensitivity, the RC Car in Black Ops feels goofy with a mouse.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Edwood on 10:31 AM - 02/15/11
Meh, one Microsoft Support Employee's opinions does not an official policy make.  (whoops, Yoda grammar?)

Inevitably it's up to the developers, so just let the XIM3 be it's own success.   
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: hot shot on 10:44 AM - 02/15/11
Thanks, as 'some' seem to be questioning your honesty, I have also shot a mail off. ;)

I'm just asking for a proper source citation or proof, I mean no disrespect to the OP.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: abc123 on 10:47 AM - 02/15/11
In a way I hope to have redeemed myself.

a snake in sheeps clothing, i love Razer, and i hate Razer so you have now obtained those emotions.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Quad Damage on 11:23 AM - 02/15/11
Hey, guys.  I'll get a screen shot of the e-mail up when I get home after work (and the gym) tonight.  :)
Thanks, as 'some' seem to be questioning your honesty, I have also shot a mail off. ;)

It's not about questioning his honesty.
It's about being able to pull out a somewhat believable trump card for all the kbam adapter haters out there, who scream this is "cheating" or that MS will ban us for using the XIM. 
Copy/pasting the quote as proof, or saying "Well there was this guy on the XIM forums who said he talked to someone at MS who said XIM wasn't against the ToS..."   
Yea, that'll float far.  At least a screengrab of the email would be more convincing. 

Thanks for doing that, Razerguy.  Appreciated.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: ISheeper on 12:03 PM - 02/15/11
Sticky Pl0x
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: jiffy on 12:18 PM - 02/15/11
Meh, one Microsoft Support Employee's opinions does not an official policy make. 

Actually it does, unless otherwise stated as personal opinion! or a disclaimer is included with mail.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: kyuubi on 12:25 PM - 02/15/11
RazerEmployee, is your name Evan?
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: NotHuman on 12:41 PM - 02/15/11
Guys, and girls Oo
If microsoft wants to change their terms of service they can at any time. Sending them emails and flaunting on boards/on live that we have a screen of some random MS support rep saying xim3 is legit, is only increasing the chance of them changing the tos. When xboxlive receives an influx of xims once Obs goes live and can manufacture as fast as demand, thats when were most vulnerable to a change in tos. Of course its legal at this moment; they have no idea how overpowered the xim3 is and there is only a few playing online. The complaints have not come in yet. . .  Its best to just leave it alone.

Chances are great they will accept xim3 as legit, but if they receive enough complaints they will change tos - period.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: ryan123 on 12:42 PM - 02/15/11
they have no idea how overpowered the xim3 is

huh? you do know that we're still at some disadvantage to controller users
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: NotHuman on 12:45 PM - 02/15/11
they have no idea how overpowered the xim3 is

huh? you do know that we're still at some disadvantage to controller users

thats not gonna fly with me, srry. at least with fps
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: LordRupertEverton on 12:56 PM - 02/15/11
No offense, but this thread is rather pointless. I mean Microsoft can always change their Terms of Service and change what is and isn't in violation of them. The XIM (any version) is obviously not currently in violation of their ToS or we would know it by now. That doesn't mean that MS can't one day decide that XIM is cheating and take actions to prevent their use on the console. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this will happen, but be realistic at least, people.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: wompa164 on 12:57 PM - 02/15/11
Guys, and girls Oo
If microsoft wants to change their terms of service they can at any time. Sending them emails and flaunting on boards/on live that we have a screen of some random MS support rep saying xim3 is legit, is only increasing the chance of them changing the tos. When xboxlive receives an influx of xims once Obs goes live and can manufacture as fast as demand, thats when were most vulnerable to a change in tos. Of course its legal at this moment; they have no idea how overpowered the xim3 is and there is only a few playing online. The complaints have not come in yet. . .  Its best to just leave it alone.

Chances are great they will accept xim3 as legit, but if they receive enough complaints they will change tos - period.

Exactly. Just because one random, clueless outsourced MS online chat representative said it was within Microsoft's TOS doesn't mean squat.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: lunatik on 01:02 PM - 02/15/11
so now all of a sudden, they're outsourced and clueless.... ummmmkay!
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: NotHuman on 01:02 PM - 02/15/11
I hope a mod burns this thread to ashes so as it can never be resurrected
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: RAZEREmployee314 on 01:31 PM - 02/15/11
(http://i.imgur.com/2c3NGl.jpg)
http://imgur.com/2c3NG (http://imgur.com/2c3NG)

Here you have it.

As many have said, nothing is carved in stone. This, however, is just a positive note for everyone concerned with the XBox Live ToS presently.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Quad Damage on 05:43 PM - 02/15/11
Thanks dude, appreciated.


And all you posters saying "MS can change their ToS at any time..."
How many times HAS Microsoft changed the ToS?
I can't recall any except for when they introduced Kinect.
Even with a couple hundred complaints, you think they're gonna change their rules because a couple thousand (out of tens of millions) XBL subscribers are using a kbam?
Kbam has been on XBL since the SmartJoy Frag in 2004.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: LordRupertEverton on 09:24 PM - 02/15/11
I said I didn't think it would happen. Just that it could.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: PrimeIce on 09:29 PM - 02/15/11
This thread no dissapoint, Son.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: hot shot on 10:19 AM - 02/16/11
Here you have it.

As many have said, nothing is carved in stone. This, however, is just a positive note for everyone concerned with the XBox Live ToS presently.

Thank you sir!
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Burnin_Vernon on 12:01 PM - 04/28/11
I made this a sticky.

BV
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Drow Elf Drizzt on 12:13 PM - 04/28/11
thats the post i made a while back in general, he didn't ask his "friend" Bella at M$. LOL i found that on i think engadget

http://www.xim3.com/community/index.php?topic=10120.0
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: mesa1 on 03:18 PM - 04/28/11
I think he spelled "razor" incorrectly. Still, since the XIM cannot do anything the controller can't do (aside from making it an easier transition for us PC folks) there should be nothing wrong with it. It's not a violation to use those thumbstick wing pieces for better grip, or to use a third-party controller. I also use a third-party audio adapter for my 360, I'm sure that's not a violation either. I still get dusted by most controller users anyway
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Supta on 05:50 PM - 04/28/11
cool, now I can brag about it online and not be afraid of getting banned!
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: OBsIV on 06:29 PM - 04/28/11
Correct. And don't be afraid to put "XIM3" on your XIM3 videos!
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: rtmoose on 11:36 AM - 04/29/11
apparently according to a Treyarch Forum Mod, treyarch will ban you from playing Black Ops for using XIM3..

lollers "catch me if you can"

;)
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Drow Elf Drizzt on 12:07 PM - 04/29/11
apparently according to a Treyarch Forum Mod, treyarch will ban you from playing Black Ops for using XIM3..

lollers "catch me if you can"

;)

I've had tons of 180 kills.....LOL Treyarch aren't as slick as they want you to believe
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Beezles on 12:12 PM - 04/29/11
how will they verify that you have one? - nor is it against MS ToS, i see no justification for banning.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Drow Elf Drizzt on 12:22 PM - 04/29/11
how will they verify that you have one? - nor is it against MS ToS, i see no justification for banning.

Treyarch has control over there servers u wont be banned from live just there crappy servers.......which may come as a blessing at times
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: rtmoose on 12:24 PM - 04/29/11
They can't ... But xim3 emblems etc might get them lookin at you... Treyarch has the right to bam any player for any reason they want without an appeal process... Gotta love the internet
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Beezles on 12:27 PM - 04/29/11
looks like i'll be taking off my xim3 tag then, lol
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: mist4fun on 03:23 AM - 05/02/11
Souver is correct. Even if xim3 doesn't violate the xbl TOS it is really up to the game developer as they are in charge of their own game servers.

Epic Games, Dice, Treyarch, and Bungie are developers I know of that ban players for various forms of cheating. Although they have a vague list of things that aren't acceptable it really comes down to the person pushing the ban button. So there is always a risk. This does not mean the user is banned from xbox live, but banned from playing on the developers servers instead. Which is just as bad. I'll leave the decision to unsticky this thread to obsiv and bv.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: ProTecK on 11:42 PM - 05/02/11
Well the title of the thread only says its legit with MS. Xim is now being used for a lot more then the cod series. so its really not an "incorrect sticky" at all.  Individual developers and their respective banning decisions would all be Independent of each other unless MS were to override them all with a general ban of their own.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: mist4fun on 12:23 AM - 05/03/11
When someone is banned because they were showing off their xim3 on a developers official forum do you think they will care about the technicalities?
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: toysrme on 08:35 PM - 05/03/11
Exactly. Just because one random, clueless outsourced MS online chat representative said it was within Microsoft's TOS doesn't mean squat.

#winner. The left hand doesn't know what anything else is doing. Barring someone talked to Microsoft's legal AND the XBL enforcement's rule's arm. This thread should be unstickied locked & burried. It serves no purpose & does not in any way address the "legality" of playing with an XIM on xbox 360 or XBL.

Hate to say it, but simple truth...
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: CEOrko on 09:25 PM - 05/03/11
Agreeing with the "remove sticky" option. While LIVE's Terms of Use don't bar unlicensed peripherals, they do defer to individual publisher/developer user agreements when concerning their respective games. Thus, violating Treyarch's terms while playing Treyarch's game over LIVE is, in itself, a violation of LIVE's ToU. Because Treyarch's security agreement is so broad that they could technically get away with banning you for using a monitor with a higher maximum resolution than another player, any enforcer who decides he doesn't like XIMers is going to be within the company's self-given rights to report to Microsoft or ban someone for using one.

Not every publisher has taken in to account third-party peripherals, but a common attribute of almost all EULAs is the ability to change immediately and without prior warning or approval from the customer, so just because the XIMs are fair play now doesn't mean they always will be. That said, there is no definite way—unless Microsoft has some way to monitor raw input values in real-time, which a software solution designed to make input scale more closely to the controller would counter—to prove someone is using anything other than a wired controller in the case of all XIMs, so properly enforcing any rule against their use is nigh impossible without admission from the player in question.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Zen on 01:41 AM - 05/04/11
Yep remove sticky. Not to mention that Razer has contacted directly to confirm the OP is fake.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Beezles on 11:15 AM - 05/05/11
MS doesnt allow any third party adapters for gameplay too, maybe for text entering only, but definately not for gameplay.

i'm assuming this includes arcade sticks and driving wheels not licensed by MS as well?
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: ROFLSYRUP on 11:10 AM - 06/03/11
http://www.callofduty.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=507117
 I lul'd at that post and the moderators reply.

So i sent him this in private message form.

You would have had a valid point when you posted this in regard to the xim3.


Unsupported Peripheral Devices
Users who utilize a hardware device / peripheral that is not officially licensed or otherwise supported by console manufacturers which gives a player an unfair advantage over opponents. This includes, but is not limited to, modded controllers.

• Minor offense: Temp ban from playing the game online
• Major offense: Extended temp ban from playing the game online, complete stats reset
• Extreme or repeat offenses: Permaban from playing the game online

But the company you work for has their name posted all over this.
http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Call-Duty-PrecisionAIM-Controller/dp/B00076EY9U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1307120511&sr=8-1

This controller has 2 extra buttons therefore would give an advantage over someone with the officially supported controller.

So your quote should have looked more something like this.

Unsupported Peripheral Devices
Users who utilize a hardware device / peripheral that is not officially licensed or otherwise supported by console manufacturers which gives a player an unfair advantage over opponents. This includes, but is not limited to, modded controllers. (THIS DOESN'T APPLY IF YOU GIVE US MORE MONEY AND BUY OUR ENDORSED MADCATZ CONTROLLER)

• Minor offense: Temp ban from playing the game online
• Major offense: Extended temp ban from playing the game online, complete stats reset
• Extreme or repeat offenses: Permaban from playing the game online

Let's be honest you aren't about to start banning people for using the blackops controller with the treyarch logo on the back.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: ROFLSYRUP on 11:14 AM - 06/03/11
followed up with this.

Furthermore from reading the info, the xim3 doesn't do anything that a normal xbox 360 controller can't. Your endorsed controller does things the regular officially supported xbox controller can't.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: rtmoose on 03:52 PM - 06/03/11
Lol ... Would love to see this guy respond. Pls update
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: ROFLSYRUP on 06:36 PM - 06/03/11
the mod responded with this.
"If the Black Ops/MW2 controllers were the *only* "specialized" licensed controllers then yes you would have a valid point. Unfortunately, you're just trying to get a jab in somewhere and it's based on a very weak argument. Users utilizing unsupported peripherals are banned when discovered."

Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: ROFLSYRUP on 06:38 PM - 06/03/11
I then replied with this.
"Well supported or not it gives an obvious advantage over the stock controller and does things the regular one can't . There's simply no arguing with that. You place a terms of service in effect and officially endorse a product that violates it. That makes zero sense."
I sent that about 6 hours ago and still no response.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: singlecoilpickup on 01:43 PM - 06/04/11
Why are you guys still throwing caution to the wind and getting up in moderators' faces about this?

The best thing we can do as a community is not flaunt it in front of the people that don't understand or endorse XIM. If we just mind our own business and play the game, the mods will likely never try to pay attention to the XIM.

With you guys antagonizing moderators and Microsoft employees, you're just attracting unwanted, hostile attention. You're not going to magically convince a Treyarch mod that the XIM is OK after a string of PMs on a message board. All you're going to do is piss off Treyarch and make them want to find a way to ban XIM users easier. Your best bet is to just shut up and let it go.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Warmaster on 06:42 PM - 06/04/11
Your best bet is to just shut up and let it go.

Silence is sometimes the best option.

Warmaster
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: amak1 on 08:53 PM - 06/04/11
Lets not bring heat on xim for the wrong reasons. Although i understand ur arguments. Lets keep the pr positive.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: ROFLSYRUP on 06:27 AM - 06/06/11
I didn't bring it up someone else from the community posted on their forums. I only sent what i've shown here and no more. I just thought the whole in his logic was funny and wanted to point it out so i pm'ed him.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: ROFLSYRUP on 10:27 AM - 06/06/11
I generally agree with leaving it as is . I guess i love trolling the blackops forums over the crappy way they treat the pc community over there. My apologies o the community.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Beezles on 10:29 AM - 06/06/11
I generally agree with leaving it as is . I guess i love trolling the blackops forums over the crappy way they treat the pc community over there. My apologies o the community.

Ya, just leave it be - no need for any of the 3arc guys to sign up on these forums and find all our gamertags and ban us.... etc....

btw - infinityward was the worste when it came to dealing with their community. - all hail valve!
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: tuffrabit on 12:11 PM - 06/06/11
all hail valve!

yea... Valve actually knows what a customer is.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: ROFLSYRUP on 05:30 PM - 06/06/11

And dont forget how they treat ppl on steampowered forums, massive comment deletion and ban to people who tell the unwanted truth.

You just described the project origin, fear 3, epic, treyarch, and infinity ward forums all in one statement.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: sbc2k1 on 05:04 PM - 06/11/11
I was just allowed to use a xim adapter to play-test a game... At Microsoft... In Redmond... They didn't seem too concerned about "me using my own controller that is not OEM" ... they gave me Forza 3 - and Visio Premium... Oh yeah 1 year live as well..       What am I supposed to do with this VISIO program??
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: mist4fun on 05:31 PM - 06/11/11
Why would they give you visio premium? Thats an odd gift. Better yet why would they let you use a m/kb during a playtest if they are interested in your feedback? I would be looking for button placement feedback as well as game feedback, using xim doesn't allow you to do this.

Are you allowed to say which game you tested? or the type of game?
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: amak1 on 01:24 AM - 06/12/11
Well at least you can make all the vector based diagrams your heart desires now lol  :P that is interesting though i would have to agree with mist on that one. Did you haved fun at the testing at least? And were u able to make a good standard config on the fly for the game you were testing?
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Flamemonkey on 09:52 AM - 06/15/11
That's interesting, that they were letting you do that... Hey, sounds good to me!
Did they give you time to make that config? XD
Hey if he did poorly on it due to config issues maybe they'll think it's no advantage. XD
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: sbc2k1 on 03:36 PM - 08/11/11
Why would they give you visio premium? Thats an odd gift. Better yet why would they let you use a m/kb during a playtest if they are interested in your feedback? I would be looking for button placement feedback as well as game feedback, using xim doesn't allow you to do this.

Are you allowed to say which game you tested? or the type of game?

You are telling me- I had/ will never have a use for the visio ( I still am not sure what it does). The list of gratuities was horrible. For that play-test I was given a list and could pick one item from each category (software, hardware, etc). It was halo reach forza and some other $30 dollar games(nothing new at all for the most part)  Visio NFR copy was the most valuable (so I went with the Visio and re-sold it) As to button feedback I was testing the game on an xbox-The game was intended for pc, mobile mainly(I also knew the p.c. button layout) . It was an arcade style "kids" game that Will never see the light of day.

I guess now you just can just walk in and get $25 to test mobile apps on fridays.....

Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Jomps on 07:34 AM - 08/29/11
Thank you for this, good to know beafore action!

Thanks!
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: mist4fun on 11:30 PM - 08/30/11
Why would they give you visio premium? Thats an odd gift. Better yet why would they let you use a m/kb during a playtest if they are interested in your feedback? I would be looking for button placement feedback as well as game feedback, using xim doesn't allow you to do this.

Are you allowed to say which game you tested? or the type of game?

You are telling me- I had/ will never have a use for the visio ( I still am not sure what it does). The list of gratuities was horrible. For that play-test I was given a list and could pick one item from each category (software, hardware, etc). It was halo reach forza and some other $30 dollar games(nothing new at all for the most part)  Visio NFR copy was the most valuable (so I went with the Visio and re-sold it) As to button feedback I was testing the game on an xbox-The game was intended for pc, mobile mainly(I also knew the p.c. button layout) . It was an arcade style "kids" game that Will never see the light of day.

I guess now you just can just walk in and get $25 to test mobile apps on fridays.....



Good choice, I would have done the same thing with those options.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: hortonheardya on 04:36 PM - 09/01/11
I try not to flaunt the fact I use the XIM3.
As I am a disabled veteran, I can't hold a controller properly and the ability to map keys to where they work for me is a blessing. So although my peripherals are unlicensed, they are merely to allow me to game, not for an advantage.

If somehow Treyarch gets a bug up his @#$% and starts banning us, I'll pull my veteran card out quicker than they can imagine.
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: scottpriley on 12:51 PM - 11/12/11
im a vet as well oorah to you. i started the habit of when people accuse me of cheating, for instance when i snipe apparently its to much of a smooth motion to the head that people think its an aimbot. So i casually say i use a keyboard and mouse. Some people get mad call it cheating and say there going to report me. Some people i give the website too and there pumped to buy one. Eh its a game, in every game the person with the higher skilled players win. And my keyboard and mouse is better than any controller ;)
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Phoenixlee on 11:05 PM - 03/12/12
Thanks for that, it's much appreciated!
Title: Re: "XIM3 is Legit" - Microsoft
Post by: Hartvar on 12:03 AM - 09/19/14
Well FPS it is only one way to play it, using xim 3 xim Edge or xim 4 nothing more i will say here :)