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Title: [Q/A] Scroll up wheel
Post by: Oiam on 05:55 PM - 02/12/20
After new patch for modern warfare. Iím unable to throw tactical with scroll up Iíve tried two different g502ís. This is weird.
Title: Re: Scroll up wheel
Post by: mist4fun on 05:57 PM - 02/12/20
Using mouse wheel to perform some actions doesn't work well if the action needs a press longer than mouse wheel can send. It's possible they changed the time needed to switch to tactical.

Also, do you have another action assigned to wheel up? Does throw tactical work when assigned to another mouse button?
Title: Re: [ACTIVE] Scroll up wheel
Post by: Oiam on 10:52 PM - 02/12/20
It does work when assigned to different button, have used the same button mapping since ps3 with xim edge.
Title: Re: [ACTIVE] Scroll up wheel
Post by: mist4fun on 10:38 AM - 02/13/20
Could you please share a bit more information?

- Which platform are you playing on?
- Does this happen when using a newly created config with only making the mouse wheel up change to the config?
- Can you check if it happens in another game?

They may have changed the press time required to activate the button and your scroll wheel is sending a press for less time than is required. If this is the case I don't know of a fix besides reassigning the action to another button because the press time for each button is non-editable value that's used across all buttons.
Title: Re: [ACTIVE] Scroll up wheel
Post by: Od1n on 11:41 AM - 02/13/20
Hey,

other people reported the same. So far it looks like MW has raised the activation time to initiate a tactical. The problem with using scroll is that its a very short input, even if you continuously scroll its just a sequence of short inputs. After the update those seem to be too short to initiate a tactical. Id recommend to either bind it do a different button (e.g. mouse scroll click instead of up/down) or use a mouse macro that increases the activation time per scroll input.
Title: Re: [ACTIVE] Scroll up wheel
Post by: mist4fun on 11:59 AM - 02/13/20
Thanks, Odin. I wasn't aware there were other reports on it.

edit: We're in the process of working on a fix for this to be included in the next beta. Until then I recommend reassigning actions from the scrollwheel to other buttons.
Title: Re: [ACTIVE] Scroll up wheel
Post by: Od1n on 01:08 PM - 02/13/20
Thanks, Odin. I wasn't aware there were other reports on it.

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(first report was yesterday, of course not confirmed yet but first time that i hear a developer changes something like that)
Title: Re: [Q/A] Scroll up wheel
Post by: Monostat7 on 07:37 PM - 02/13/20
Having the same problem. Guess I'm not the only one. I tested it and it works fine with lethals, but won't work for tacticals anymore.

Really frustrating since it's such a fast way to use it, but for now I think I'm going to bind tactical to the button on the scroll wheel and use scroll down to switch weapons.

I'd love to see something added to XIM that would let scrolling simulate a button hold.
Title: Re: [ACTIVE] Scroll up wheel
Post by: ceebs on 03:24 AM - 02/14/20
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Title: Re: [Q/A] Scroll up wheel
Post by: antithesis on 04:15 PM - 02/14/20
We had another thread recently where a chap had a problem with the mouse scrollwheel failing to register all ticks.

This is something I've experienced through 4 generations of XIM and I put it down to the short activation frame of the mousewheel as the cause.

But, he linked to an old thread from 2012 which mentioned that XIM 3 had limited input from a mousewheel to 64ms hold and 64ms wait, which would explain his issue.

Is this still the case on XIM APEX? Is there a way that the activation time could be managed via a slider so the user could either decrease or increase the hold/wait times, depending on the game?



Title: Re: [Q/A] Scroll up wheel
Post by: OBsIV on 11:08 AM - 02/15/20
I think the most straight forward way to handle this is to simply increase the value. The hard part always is coming up with the right value.
Title: Re: [Q/A] Scroll up wheel
Post by: antithesis on 03:40 AM - 02/16/20
Increasing the hold time should be easy enough, but others want it reduced. Iíd think 25/25, 50/50 and 100/100 would be handy options, but clearly thereís more engineering required to provide them (if it all possible).
Title: Re: [Q/A] Scroll up wheel
Post by: Od1n on 06:39 AM - 02/16/20
Id say just change it for MW specifically and keep it as it is for other configs. Though i wouldnt say its that important, you can easily rebind your actions to prevent this and since the PC version has the same problem its probably only a matter of time until the game developer fixes it anyway :).
Title: Re: [Q/A] Scroll up wheel
Post by: inzaneip on 10:28 AM - 02/16/20
@ OBsIV My appologies for the PM.

I have also experienced this issue, can someone tell me if they have tested the macro approach with Logitech mice and does that actually seem to work?