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Title: PUBG Retrain
Post by: PreheatedMoth on 04:03 PM - 01/28/20
I've been saying for a while that theres an issue with the pubg xbox st and have talked to mist4fun about the issue on discord a few times

And today I think I figured out the issue..

Set ads sensitivity to 1.0 and try to draw perfect circles

On 100 verticle movement sensitivity (reccomended in game settings) you get more horizontal movement then vertical movement.. it makes your circles more like ovals..
https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/preheatedmoth/video/86112688

Set verticle sensitivity multiplier to 150 in game and you get a better circular motion when moving your mouse..
https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/preheatedmoth/video/86112860

It seems the Y/X ratio is incorrect in the ST.

Mist if you could take the time to look into this it would be awesome

I'm sure theres alot of other ppl that would appreciate it


Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: acey_wacey on 04:11 PM - 01/28/20
I agree with Moth. He is a CIM scientist.
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: Cizque on 06:29 PM - 01/28/20
yeah
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: SixShooter on 04:16 PM - 01/29/20
I also feel the turn cap light comes on too soon.  Maybe I'm wrong but is it possible it is set using the slow turn speed we had when the game was released. I had to disable that light long ago lol.
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: R3MiX on 04:42 PM - 01/29/20
Definitely needs to be looked at again.
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: Leejd on 05:15 PM - 01/29/20
I got told 143 is the sweet spot in game settings. But the issue then is tracking runners or cars it messes up tracking having a high vert sens.
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: mist4fun on 05:56 PM - 01/29/20
PreheatedMoth, thanks for the video. When you last reported this I spot trained different locations of the look mechanic and didn't find a difference in support.

I've added this to the queue and I'll take a look. I'm curious though, is this with using the ADS ST while in ADS? If so could you repeat this test with iron sights? Or with Hip using the Hip ST? You don't have to take a video, I'm just curious about the results.
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: PreheatedMoth on 06:40 PM - 01/29/20
Yes this was done with ads translator with the ads activation key pressed.

All reccomended xim settings

When I do the same test on hip it seems the hip mechanic is fine.

The only issues I've ever really noticed is while ads.. there may be issues with hip I dont notice but the hip look mechanic has always been pretty clean IMO.
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: nerVuseq on 08:11 AM - 01/30/20
Also, please put some time into looking at PS4 ST on xbox - works much better. Smthn is messed up with Xbox ST.

What moth has described over there has been found on PS4 ST as well as XBOX one.
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: hey zim on 11:34 PM - 01/30/20
this would be nice. enough people still play this game. itíd be much appreciated, plus it just got an update.
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: Touretteasaurus on 07:41 AM - 01/31/20
Iíd love for this ST to be reworked.
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: MeteoroBR on 08:11 AM - 01/31/20
PreheatedMoth, thanks for the video. When you last reported this I spot trained different locations of the look mechanic and didn't find a difference in support.

I've added this to the queue and I'll take a look. I'm curious though, is this with using the ADS ST while in ADS? If so could you repeat this test with iron sights? Or with Hip using the Hip ST? You don't have to take a video, I'm just curious about the results.

Thanks! :-*
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: MeteoroBR on 08:12 AM - 01/31/20
Also, please put some time into looking at PS4 ST on xbox - works much better. Smthn is messed up with Xbox ST.

What moth has described over there has been found on PS4 ST as well as XBOX one.


I am also using the Ps4 ST on the xbox. Feels much better.
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: hyperliite on 08:23 AM - 01/31/20
Also using PS4 on Xbox; consistently getting 10-20 kill games
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: Onetime99 on 02:09 PM - 01/31/20
Also, please put some time into looking at PS4 ST on xbox - works much better. Smthn is messed up with Xbox ST.

What moth has described over there has been found on PS4 ST as well as XBOX one.


I am also using the Ps4 ST on the xbox. Feels much better.

Interesting...any need for a ps4 controller to be plugged into the hub or just use the Xbox controller?
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: PreheatedMoth on 03:12 PM - 01/31/20
@mist4fun

Any ETA on where this is in the queue?

I think it was October last time you told me you would take a look.. lol

The pubg community in the xim discord has been patiently waiting

Your the only one who can help us.
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: hey zim on 11:26 PM - 01/31/20
wow. itís great. just trying this now on xbox using the ps4 st. this canít be a placebo effect, honestly feels great. please donít change a thing!
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: hey zim on 11:44 PM - 01/31/20
iíve noticed all my lag is gone since using the ps4 st on xbox for the past hour or so. loving it.
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: InsidasS on 06:00 AM - 02/01/20
Yeah i saw that too..i am using now ps4 st and its awesome now..the only think that i waned is if pubg could be with simple settings op!and not  just 1.40 x/y for no recoil and staff like that..if you make like 1.00 or just 1.15 to be with no recoil and better movement will be awesome...lets see the new update that mist will do for us..btw check if you fix farm fast..and no click and no take the ammos for example..when i try to farm very fast sometimes with inventory open doesnt take the ammo fast..check it.
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: manaus on 07:53 AM - 02/01/20
Are you using PS4 ST on Xbox with no other thing like boost or curve? Thanks

wow. itís great. just trying this now on xbox using the ps4 st. this canít be a placebo effect, honestly feels great. please donít change a thing!
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: hey zim on 04:44 PM - 02/03/20
i use the same setup i had before (my curves work even better now, i swear itís not placebo effect). i copied my config. made a new one using the ps4 st. pasted my config and itís great. no ps4 controller needed.
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: PreheatedMoth on 03:29 AM - 02/04/20
New st coming?
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: mist4fun on 03:50 PM - 02/06/20
I've taken a look at this using a tool that draws circles.The circles that I've drawn are taken at a low stick magnitude and a high stick magnitude. These are within the range of the circle that you've drawn in your video. The circles that I've drawn using an automated tool are symmetrical and there doesn't appear to be anything wrong with support at the moment. I don't have Vegas installed or other good editing tools to help with this so excuse the crude method. I forgot to measure the circle in the video so I've attached a picture with measurements that show the circle's X and Y are approximately the same size.


(https://imgur.com/LU9JmDB.png)
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: mist4fun on 06:37 PM - 02/06/20
Thinking about it more, maybe the game's FoV makes it hard to perceive tracking between the screen and your hand. Are you using the default FoV?
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: PreheatedMoth on 09:50 PM - 02/06/20
Fov is always the same when ads with an AR.. (70 fov) regardless of your in game fov setting that just effects hip..

Video looks really clean I appreciate you taking the time to make it..

Apparently I'm just so bad I cant even draw a circle on 1.0 ads sensitivity  :-\

Pubg xbox st just always feels bad for me..  playstation st.. or apex legends st feel a little better..

But after watching your video the issue is clearly not the xim st.. its gotta be my setup.. or I just gotta face the fact that I'm absolutely trash lol

Thanks again mist..
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: PreheatedMoth on 11:33 PM - 02/06/20
I noticed you in game settings is set to type A.

Would this effect the ads translator at all?

And what dpi polling ect are these tests done on.. just curious if you reccomend high or low dpi..
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: mist4fun on 10:35 AM - 02/07/20
Sure, no problem. It should just be a toggle but I'll check for that today.

The sensitivity used was 1.0 but there is no DPI used. It doesn't use the mouse, it's an automated tool that uses sensitivity and time in milliseconds needed to complete the circle. The less time used, the smaller and faster the circle is drawn.

edit: Type B produces the same symmetrical circle. I'm not sure how that changed but thanks for pointing it out. This sort of thing has happened before so it's a good suggestion. I think it was Medal of Honor 2010 that had different look mechanics between single and multiplayer. Then if the button layout wasn't default in multiplayer it used a third look mechanic.

edit2: The PS4 ST has the same shape and curve as the X1 ST but uses larger deadzone value. Using a ST built for a larger deadzone than the game uses can cause an accelerated feel to initial movement. If this feels better to anyone they may like using boost with the X1 ST or a curve that does the same thing. Or continue using the other ST. In the end you should use what feels best to you personally.
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: manaus on 04:21 PM - 02/09/20
Idk...in the beginning, PS4 st, was perfect, but now, it seems, worse than xbox...did you guys changed anything? Or was it just a placebo effect? Lol
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: LITHE on 01:17 AM - 02/10/20
Are any of you playing with aim acceleration on? It's been a long time since I played this game on XBOX. But if I remember correctly, aim acceleration only effects horizontal movements. This could be why the ratio feels off.

Unless there was a recent change, remember that if you turn off aim acceleration it only turns off on ADS. Hip always has aim acceleration turned on to the default amount.

I'll reinstall the game and look more into. I pretty curious to what you feel different with the PS4 config.
Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: TehSubXero on 07:40 AM - 02/10/20
You physically cannot make a 30 fps game feel 'right' or 'good' on mouse.  Let alone a mouse that sexually identifies as a controller.  If you want a higher kd, i suggest cutting g-fuel with gunpowder and bull shark testosterone and snorting it. 

Title: Re: PUBG Retrain
Post by: d1sable on 09:13 AM - 02/10/20
You physically cannot make a 30 fps game feel 'right' or 'good' on mouse.  Let alone a mouse that sexually identifies as a controller.  If you want a higher kd, i suggest cutting g-fuel with gunpowder and bull shark testosterone and snorting it.

I don't play this game but LOL'd at this.

Haha