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Title: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 07:37 PM - 11/11/19
This a simple question, I just want answers to why you would prefer to use, what I would call cheating but thatís just from what Iíve experienced, an adapter.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: lilnagle on 07:43 PM - 11/11/19
well...some people played pc all their life and things change friends change and they wanna play console so theyre used to mnk so they stick with it!
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: jimmy_j_pp on 09:07 PM - 11/11/19
For me I have mild arthritis and my hands can't take being wrapped around a controller for more than about half an hour, and gaming computers tend to become obsolete too quickly to maintain
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: ceebs on 03:37 AM - 11/12/19
You've had answers to these questions before, Kicksi. Are you just trying to get a reaction again?
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: antithesis on 03:43 AM - 11/12/19
If using a XIM is cheating, so is using a steering wheel, arcade stick or flight controller and no-one says anything about them. They're accepted as alternative input devices that are better suited for the task at hand...just like a XIM.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: AgentSmith on 09:57 AM - 11/12/19
I am sure that just because the Xim isn't a licensed product doesn't mean it is against the Microsoft Terms, there are many controllers which are cheap replica's of xbox controllers but are not licensed, does that also mean they would be classed as cheating?

I find it strange how people that assume or call it cheating have almost certainly never used a Xim and have no idea or believe it is still limited to the controls of the game and an original controller.

I have a friend who called me a cheat for using a Xim, ( He is an excellent controller user )  So I invited him round to my house where he played some games on my Xbox with controller and rocked as usual, I then plugged in the Xim and gave him the mouse and G13,  ( he has never played pc games ) .I then watched him get his @#$% handed to him  time after time while using this device he assumed was cheating.
He changed his mind very quickly.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Phil Ashio on 10:24 AM - 11/12/19
If using a XIM is cheating, so is using a steering wheel, arcade stick or flight controller and no-one says anything about them. They're accepted as alternative input devices that are better suited for the task at hand...just like a XIM.

x100. The conversation should always end at this.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: TheCityWok on 01:30 PM - 11/12/19
its gives me an an advantage
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: RML on 01:55 PM - 11/12/19
I am a XIM player, I just want to ask why do you use a controller?
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: SweatyPapi on 02:38 PM - 11/12/19
I am a XIM player, I just want to ask why do you use a controller?

troll x1000 lmfao
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Andrxiaa on 04:07 PM - 11/12/19
I am a XIM player, I just want to ask why do you use a controller?
pfffff
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 04:07 PM - 11/12/19
You've had answers to these questions before, Kicksi. Are you just trying to get a reaction again?

Maybe I am, or maybe Iím just trying to annoy you.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 04:09 PM - 11/12/19
If using a XIM is cheating, so is using a steering wheel, arcade stick or flight controller and no-one says anything about them. They're accepted as alternative input devices that are better suited for the task at hand...just like a XIM.

The fact you compared a arcade stick to a mnk adapter, is genuinely worrying.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 04:10 PM - 11/12/19
its gives me an an advantage

I respect your honesty, a lot of others arenít being honest.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 04:11 PM - 11/12/19
I am a XIM player, I just want to ask why do you use a controller?

Itís the legit way to play
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: antithesis on 05:02 PM - 11/12/19
The fact you compared a arcade stick to a mnk adapter, is genuinely worrying.
How so? An arcade stick gives you better control in fighting games. A steering wheel gives you better control in driving games. A flight stick gives you better control in flight sims. A mouse & keyboard gives you better control in shooting games. It's the same thing.

its gives me an an advantage
The advantage only exists if you are better with these devices than without. XIM, like any alternative input device, requires skill. For those of us with decades of PC experience but suck with a controller (or physically can't use one, 15% of all gamers are disabled), it's just a different way to play a game.

XIM is bound by all of the same constraints as a controller - it can't turn faster, it can't shoot more accurately and if anything, Aim Assist is a disadvantage vs a controller user.

Instead of assuming that XIM is a god button, pick one up and try it for yourself. If you consider yourself a good controller user, you'll quickly learn that everything we're telling you is true. It is only an advantage if you're better with m/kb than a controller and the same applies to arcade sticks, wheels etc.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 05:43 PM - 11/12/19
The fact you compared a arcade stick to a mnk adapter, is genuinely worrying.
How so? An arcade stick gives you better control in fighting games. A steering wheel gives you better control in driving games. A flight stick gives you better control in flight sims. A mouse & keyboard gives you better control in shooting games. It's the same thing.

its gives me an an advantage
The advantage only exists if you are better with these devices than without. XIM, like any alternative input device, requires skill. For those of us with decades of PC experience but suck with a controller (or physically can't use one, 15% of all gamers are disabled), it's just a different way to play a game.

XIM is bound by all of the same constraints as a controller - it can't turn faster, it can't shoot more accurately and if anything, Aim Assist is a disadvantage vs a controller user.

Instead of assuming that XIM is a god button, pick one up and try it for yourself. If you consider yourself a good controller user, you'll quickly learn that everything we're telling you is true. It is only an advantage if you're better with m/kb than a controller and the same applies to arcade sticks, wheels etc.

Oh boy here we go, an arcade stick can not give you an advantage, the PS4 controller that came with the PS4 is much better when it comes to fighting games, plus Iím mainly referring the FPS games like R6S and COD, where a MnK would actually give you an advantage over a controller (trigger finger, easier aiming and smoothing key bindings). Iíve been versing MnKers ever since Iíve started playing r6s on PS4, they have a big advantage over others. I only use a PS4 controller on my PS4, I think thatís how it should be. A mouse and keyboard are much easier to learn and become better at than a controller. If you have a console, you should be only using the device that comes with it, unless itís medical.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 05:48 PM - 11/12/19
The fact you compared a arcade stick to a mnk adapter, is genuinely worrying.
How so? An arcade stick gives you better control in fighting games. A steering wheel gives you better control in driving games. A flight stick gives you better control in flight sims. A mouse & keyboard gives you better control in shooting games. It's the same thing. Plus I couldnt afford one even if I wanted it.

its gives me an an advantage
The advantage only exists if you are better with these devices than without. XIM, like any alternative input device, requires skill. For those of us with decades of PC experience but suck with a controller (or physically can't use one, 15% of all gamers are disabled), it's just a different way to play a game.

XIM is bound by all of the same constraints as a controller - it can't turn faster, it can't shoot more accurately and if anything, Aim Assist is a disadvantage vs a controller user.

Instead of assuming that XIM is a god button, pick one up and try it for yourself. If you consider yourself a good controller user, you'll quickly learn that everything we're telling you is true. It is only an advantage if you're better with m/kb than a controller and the same applies to arcade sticks, wheels etc.

But Iíll take your word for it, since you have experienced and done a lot in this community I presume, Iíll give you the benefit of the doubt, but at least try to understand where I am coming from.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: antithesis on 06:18 PM - 11/12/19
Oh boy here we go, an arcade stick can not give you an advantage, the PS4 controller that came with the PS4 is much better when it comes to fighting games, plus I’m mainly referring the FPS games like R6S and COD, where a MnK would actually give you an advantage over a controller (trigger finger, easier aiming and smoothing key bindings). I’ve been versing MnKers ever since I’ve started playing r6s on PS4, they have a big advantage over others. I only use a PS4 controller on my PS4, I think that’s how it should be. A mouse and keyboard are much easier to learn and become better at than a controller. If you have a console, you should be only using the device that comes with it, unless it’s medical.
An arcade stick is a huge advantage for fighting games. All of the quarter / half / full circle moves are significantly easier, as are button combos like Cross & Circle. Many fightsticks also have turbo buttons on-board, whereas XIM has no built-in support for mods or macros, so fightsticks can definitely be classed as a cheat device.

R6 has no aim assist, so I can see XIM being advantageous for aim, but it's still not a cheat (nor is it classed as such by either Sony or Microsoft), it's just a different way to play. The look mechanic in Siege is wonky, so aim is a bit squirrely with a XIM and turn speed is always a problem for close quarter engagements with a mouse on console. Recoil is also much harder to control using a mouse because it needs to be constantly moving, whereas a thumbstick can be held in place. Likewise, drifting using a steering wheel sucks compared to a controller...it's swings and roundabouts.

Also note that PlayStation has offered native mouse & keyboard support for 24 years and Hori has an official, licenced mouse & keyboard adapter for PS4. XIM doesn't and can't do anything that isn't already available on PS4 to a controller user, it just supports more games than native m/kb.

I get where you're coming from, but anyone can use m/kb on PS4, with or without a XIM. The same applies to driving, flying, fighting and music games - if you want more suitable controls for those genres, you have the option to pay for them.

That doesn't mean that it's no longer an even playing field as XIM gamers routinely get their arses handed to them by good controller users. Some of us are just better using m/kb, while others are better with a controller. Why should our controls be dictated to us just because we play on console instead of PC?
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Lucifalic on 06:19 PM - 11/12/19



Well come on itís true. And a fighting stick is WAY better for fighting games. No question. All the best players in the world use them.

The biggest issue is people thinks it can do more then the controller can in game or somehow push past the limitations of the game mechanics. It canít. Plain and simple

But for me I just always pc gamed. M&k. And Iím old and donít want to change that haha. Iím actually decent with a controller to be honest. Just better with mouse and keys in shooters.

But it is NOT like pc gaming. It has its learning curve. The turn cap of console games is annoying and does affect your aim vs using a pc. Then you have aim assist. Some like it with xim but I would say often times they are less experienced m&k players.  I hate aim assist on m&k and itís hard to make it go away sometimes.

Just try one out if you can man. You will see itís not auto aim or any bs like that. And I fb you are not a m&k player you will suck for sure. I do agree that if you are a top tier m&k player you can be better. But itís not pc plain and simple. And there are some Sick controller players out there plus they have aim assist !!!!

Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 06:23 PM - 11/12/19



Well come on itís true. And a fighting stick is WAY better for fighting games. No question. All the best players in the world use them.

The biggest issue is people thinks it can do more then the controller can in game or somehow push past the limitations of the game mechanics. It canít. Plain and simple

But for me I just always pc gamed. M&k. And Iím old and donít want to change that haha. Iím actually decent with a controller to be honest. Just better with mouse and keys in shooters.

But it is NOT like pc gaming. It has its learning curve. The turn cap of console games is annoying and does affect your aim vs using a pc. Then you have aim assist. Some like it with xim but I would say often times they are less experienced m&k players.  I hate aim assist on m&k and itís hard to make it go away sometimes.

Just try one out if you can man. You will see itís not auto aim or any bs like that. And I fb you are not a m&k player you will suck for sure. I do agree that if you are a top tier m&k player you can be better. But itís not pc plain and simple. And there are some Sick controller players out there plus they have aim assist !!!!

No aim assist on r6s, and I canít afford a xim. But I respect your opinions.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 06:28 PM - 11/12/19
Oh boy here we go, an arcade stick can not give you an advantage, the PS4 controller that came with the PS4 is much better when it comes to fighting games, plus Iím mainly referring the FPS games like R6S and COD, where a MnK would actually give you an advantage over a controller (trigger finger, easier aiming and smoothing key bindings). Iíve been versing MnKers ever since Iíve started playing r6s on PS4, they have a big advantage over others. I only use a PS4 controller on my PS4, I think thatís how it should be. A mouse and keyboard are much easier to learn and become better at than a controller. If you have a console, you should be only using the device that comes with it, unless itís medical.
An arcade stick is a huge advantage for fighting games. All of the quarter / half / full circle moves are significantly easier, as are button combos. Many fightsticks also have turbo buttons on-board, whereas XIM has no built-in support for mods or macros, so fightsticks can definitely be classed as a cheat device.

R6 has no aim assist, so I can see XIM being advantageous for aim, but it's still not a cheat (nor is it classed as such by either Sony or Microsoft), it's just a different way to play. The look mechanic in Siege is wonky, so aim is a bit squirrely with a XIM and turn speed is always a problem for close quarter engagements with a mouse on console. Recoil is also much harder to control using a mouse because it needs to be constantly moving, whereas a thumbstick can be held in place...swings and roundabouts.

Also note that PlayStation has offered native mouse & keyboard support for 24 years and Hori has an official, licenced mouse & keyboard adapter for PS4. XIM doesn't and can't do anything that isn't already available on PS4 to a controller user, it just supports more games than native m/kb.

I get where you're coming from, but anyone can use m/kb on PS4, with or without a XIM. The same applies to driving, flying, fighting and music games - if you want more suitable controls for those genres, you have the option to pay for them. But that doesn't mean that it's no longer an even playing field as XIM gamers will get their arses handed to them by good controller users.

Iíll try to keep an open mind, but itís really hard to considering how toxic mnkers are said to be, Iíve seen toxic mnkers as well, itís not fun to deal with. But Iíll try out a mnk when I can, Iíll give it a try when the time comes and I can afford to buy and refund it :)
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: antithesis on 06:38 PM - 11/12/19
You have an open mind, which is more than we can say for most anti-XIM gamers.

Unfortunately, most of them are like anti-vaxxers or flat-earthers who have no idea what they're banging on about, refuse all scientific proof to the contrary and jump on the bandwagon because it's easier to accuse someone else of cheating than accept responsibility for their own shortcomings.

XIM tracks all install stats of game translators and the reality is there's about a 1 in 1000 chance of running into a XIM user in any game, whereas controller users will have you believe that 90% of their deaths can be racked up to m/kb cheats. Those numbers don't stack up  ;)
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 06:45 PM - 11/12/19
You have an open mind, which is more than we can say for most anti-XIM gamers.

Unfortunately, most of them are like anti-vaxxers or flat-earthers who have no idea what they're banging on about, refuse all scientific proof to the contrary and jump on the bandwagon because it's easier to accuse someone else of cheating than accept responsibility for their own shortcomings.

XIM tracks all install stats of game translators and the reality is there's about a 1 in 1000 chance of running into a XIM user in any game, whereas controller users will have you believe that 90% of their deaths can be racked up to m/kb cheats. Those numbers don't stack up  ;)

Those stats probably are true, some people could be using knock off MnK adapters and that could be what I see in game, I have a xim friend who is actually really chill to play with so Iíve probably got an open mind from that, Iím not a flat earthier or anti vax retard, everyone Iíve met whoís anti xim isnít that, so I donít know about that.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Andrxiaa on 06:49 PM - 11/12/19
You have an open mind, which is more than we can say for most anti-XIM gamers.

Unfortunately, most of them are like anti-vaxxers or flat-earthers who have no idea what they're banging on about, refuse all scientific proof to the contrary and jump on the bandwagon because it's easier to accuse someone else of cheating than accept responsibility for their own shortcomings.

XIM tracks all install stats of game translators and the reality is there's about a 1 in 1000 chance of running into a XIM user in any game, whereas controller users will have you believe that 90% of their deaths can be racked up to m/kb cheats. Those numbers don't stack up  ;)

Those stats probably are true, some people could be using knock off MnK adapters and that could be what I see in game, I have a xim friend who is actually really chill to play with so Iíve probably got an open mind from that, Iím not a flat earthier or anti vax retard, everyone Iíve met whoís anti xim isnít that, so I donít know about that.

 :D
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 06:51 PM - 11/12/19
You have an open mind, which is more than we can say for most anti-XIM gamers.

Unfortunately, most of them are like anti-vaxxers or flat-earthers who have no idea what they're banging on about, refuse all scientific proof to the contrary and jump on the bandwagon because it's easier to accuse someone else of cheating than accept responsibility for their own shortcomings.

XIM tracks all install stats of game translators and the reality is there's about a 1 in 1000 chance of running into a XIM user in any game, whereas controller users will have you believe that 90% of their deaths can be racked up to m/kb cheats. Those numbers don't stack up  ;)

Those stats probably are true, some people could be using knock off MnK adapters and that could be what I see in game, I have a xim friend who is actually really chill to play with so Iíve probably got an open mind from that, Iím not a flat earthier or anti vax retard, everyone Iíve met whoís anti xim isnít that, so I donít know about that.

 :D

:D
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 07:10 PM - 11/12/19
I still wanna hear some cool stories!
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: antithesis on 08:14 PM - 11/12/19
Those stats probably are true, some people could be using knock off MnK adapters and that could be what I see in game, I have a xim friend who is actually really chill to play with so I’ve probably got an open mind from that, I’m not a flat earthier or anti vax retard, everyone I’ve met who’s anti xim isn’t that, so I don’t know about that.
Not to be arrogant about it, but every other console m/kb adapter sucks and their marketshare is significantly smaller than XIM. XIM also performs better than native m/kb in most console games (they use a similar mouse to controller emulation rather than PC-like mouse input) and it plays friendly with PC too.

Point being, it doesn't matter whether you think the guy who killed you was using m/kb. The fact is there's at least a 99% chance that gamer beat you with a controller. Plenty of console gamers are slayers with controllers and relatively few translate that skill over to XIM m/kb.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Lucifalic on 08:24 PM - 11/12/19
Iím better with m&k and have more fun with it. 

I may kill you but Iím not dropping 30 bombs in apex legends haha. Get killed all the time by controllers. And again I still play on controller too and sometime prefer it. But Thursday night game night I needs my m&k. No money (with 3 kids, 1 in university) I have no money to spend on a Gaming pc and my homies are on console so this was my best option and I love it. Gaming is supposed to be about fun, itís not an illegal device and thatís that. Take gaming seriously???? Unless your getting paid to play then give me a break

Remember in a tournament they can dictate the Device  so REALLY other then occasionally being killed by an ximer (and that stat is true. There are Not millions of us) itís most likely a solid controller player.  Watch staycation or itemp play apex legends on controller. Super sick. 
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 08:55 PM - 11/12/19
Those stats probably are true, some people could be using knock off MnK adapters and that could be what I see in game, I have a xim friend who is actually really chill to play with so Iíve probably got an open mind from that, Iím not a flat earthier or anti vax retard, everyone Iíve met whoís anti xim isnít that, so I donít know about that.
Not to be arrogant about it, but every other console m/kb adapter sucks and their marketshare is significantly smaller than XIM. XIM also performs better than native m/kb in most console games (they use a similar mouse to controller emulation rather than PC-like mouse input) and it plays friendly with PC too.

Point being, it doesn't matter whether you think the guy who killed you was using m/kb. The fact is there's at least a 99% chance that gamer beat you with a controller. Plenty of console gamers are slayers with controllers and relatively few translate that skill over to XIM m/kb.

I thought there were a lot more xim users, why do I see people with really shaky aim, is that a bad controller/adapter? Thank you for this information btw!
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 08:58 PM - 11/12/19
Iím better with m&k and have more fun with it. 

I may kill you but Iím not dropping 30 bombs in apex legends haha. Get killed all the time by controllers. And again I still play on controller too and sometime prefer it. But Thursday night game night I needs my m&k. No money (with 3 kids, 1 in university) I have no money to spend on a Gaming pc and my homies are on console so this was my best option and I love it. Gaming is supposed to be about fun, itís not an illegal device and thatís that. Take gaming seriously???? Unless your getting paid to play then give me a break

Remember in a tournament they can dictate the Device  so REALLY other then occasionally being killed by an ximer (and that stat is true. There are Not millions of us) itís most likely a solid controller player.  Watch staycation or itemp play apex legends on controller. Super sick.

Iíll have to check them out soon, itís always cool to see good controller players so I can see how to get better.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Lucifalic on 09:05 PM - 11/12/19
When you view someone remember your never getting a fully perfect view of them and the view lag can make them appear sometimes to even be cheating with aimbot. Like laggers


Yea man check them out on the YouTube. Sick players. I have become better watching
Them regardless of control device. But their aim is so sick with a controller

Wondering though. Do you think a skuf controller is cheating or an advantage
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 09:16 PM - 11/12/19
When you view someone remember your never getting a fully perfect view of them and the view lag can make them appear sometimes to even be cheating with aimbot. Like laggers


Yea man check them out on the YouTube. Sick players. I have become better watching
Them regardless of control device. But their aim is so sick with a controller

Wondering though. Do you think a skuf controller is cheating or an advantage

I think scufs are an advantage, depending on what you do to them they are cheating, similar to MnK, but Iíve learnt that MnK is only sometimes an advantage :)
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Lucifalic on 09:43 PM - 11/12/19
I can get down with that.

Gotta say man from this thread your the most chill "anti" xim dude ever
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 10:04 PM - 11/12/19
I can get down with that.

Gotta say man from this thread your the most chill "anti" xim dude ever

Thanks, I like to hear people out, itís not fair just to hate others with hearing them out in my opinion, and you guys are very welcoming! And Iím not a anti xim person, itís a bit new to me and donít know how it properly works. You can tell that Iíve learned a lot since I started this, I actually started it to understand why it was used.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: antithesis on 10:25 PM - 11/12/19
I highly recommend reading the FAQ (or parts of it) at https://modsquad.com.au/xim-apex/.

I cover a lot of this - how XIM APEX works, is it cheating, is it an aimbot, is 1000Hz beneficial for console gaming etc.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 10:59 PM - 11/12/19
I highly recommend reading the FAQ (or parts of it) at https://modsquad.com.au/xim-apex/.

I cover a lot of this - how XIM APEX works, is it cheating, is it an aimbot, is 1000Hz beneficial for console gaming etc.

Will do
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 12:23 AM - 11/13/19
I highly recommend reading the FAQ (or parts of it) at https://modsquad.com.au/xim-apex/.

I cover a lot of this - how XIM APEX works, is it cheating, is it an aimbot, is 1000Hz beneficial for console gaming etc.

$210, @#$% thatís an investment for a later time, but Iím sure itís worth it from what Iíve read.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: antithesis on 01:39 AM - 11/13/19
$210, @#$% that’s an investment for a later time, but I’m sure it’s worth it from what I’ve read.
That's Australian dollars. If you're in the US, it's only $99 USD from this site.

We get killed by high wholesale prices, import taxes & duties, GST (sales tax) and exchange rates (our currency nosedived by 10c US this year), which more than doubles the US price. My margin on that is only about $13 USD. We call it the "Australia Tax"  :-[
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: ceebs on 04:11 AM - 11/13/19
I highly recommend reading the FAQ (or parts of it) at https://modsquad.com.au/xim-apex/.

I cover a lot of this - how XIM APEX works, is it cheating, is it an aimbot, is 1000Hz beneficial for console gaming etc.

$210, @#$% thatís an investment for a later time, but Iím sure itís worth it from what Iíve read.
Only if you're used to playing with KB&M or want to invest some months in getting there. If you've played your whole life with a controller, you'll probably always play better with one. I've played with KB&M since before consoles were a thing, which is why I still do (via my XIM  :) ).
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Duke3d on 01:58 PM - 11/13/19
I'd imagine you've driven a car before.

How about if car manufacturers started to build certain models of cars with, instead of a steering wheel, a jet plane joystick.

They still made these other models that have steering wheels. However, these other cars that they make only come with joysticks.

Maybe you learn how to use them. You get fairly decent at them, but it just feels off. It just isn't as comfortable to you as driving with a steering wheel.

And then someone comes out with an adapter that lets you install a steering wheel on that new model car!!! Sure, it's not "Officially supported by the manufacturer." Maybe some people look at you funny because "that's now how you're supposed to drive it!! You're supposed to use what came with it!"

But it just feels more comfortable to you.

(obvious metaphor is obvious by substituting games or gaming platforms in place of car models)
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: desolatehunter on 03:34 PM - 11/13/19
Kicksi I have been on both sides of this argument I have been plat 3 almost every season in siege and only been using the xim for about 3 seasons now. I have raged against ximmers and now I am one.
 
I made the change as a result of arthritis clicking in the thumbsticks hurts my hands and for how the keyboard is I use, it takes little to no pressure. I have been on controller my whole life so it took me about 3 maybe 4 months to get as good as I was with a controller. It wasn't some end all be all good mode for me but I had to put hours into terrorist hunts to really get good with it. Some people are different but me I'm still the same plat 3 player never made it any higher but I truly enjoy mnk more.

I understand your frustration sometimes I wanted to say mnk users should stick to of and if they can't afford it than tough luck. But honestly I have played with alot of these guys on here and while some of them may be trolls they all have their reasons. Now that being said yes a few bad apples in here are dicks just looking to stomp on noobs and talk crap or harass the loosing team but that exists everywhere just the same as when this new season drops you won't be able to play ranked without people abusing glitches to the point that Ubi has to deactivate a character or gadget.

If you get the chance try the xim I honestly wish everyone could. But it's all personal preference.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 07:30 PM - 11/13/19
$210, @#$% thatís an investment for a later time, but Iím sure itís worth it from what Iíve read.
That's Australian dollars. If you're in the US, it's only $99 USD from this site.

We get killed by high wholesale prices, import taxes & duties, GST (sales tax) and exchange rates (our currency nosedived by 10c US this year), which more than doubles the US price. My margin on that is only about $13 USD. We call it the "Australia Tax"  :-[

Well thanks for helping me understand all this btw, itís cool to have an insight to ďthe other sideĒ I guess, it would be cool if all controller players could see this and understand, even though versing is frustrating at times, itís a preference to you guys. But on r6s itís still a bit of an advantage tbh.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: ItsMeDude on 07:58 PM - 11/13/19
It's just another reason why it's so fun to use the K&M is to hear all controller snowflakes whine and cry.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Andrxiaa on 09:26 PM - 11/13/19
$210, @#$% thatís an investment for a later time, but Iím sure itís worth it from what Iíve read.
That's Australian dollars. If you're in the US, it's only $99 USD from this site.

We get killed by high wholesale prices, import taxes & duties, GST (sales tax) and exchange rates (our currency nosedived by 10c US this year), which more than doubles the US price. My margin on that is only about $13 USD. We call it the "Australia Tax"  :-[

Well thanks for helping me understand all this btw, itís cool to have an insight to ďthe other sideĒ I guess, it would be cool if all controller players could see this and understand, even though versing is frustrating at times, itís a preference to you guys. But on r6s itís still a bit of an advantage tbh.

a bit
undoubtedly a big advantage imo, and I play r6s
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: AgentSmith on 03:57 AM - 11/14/19
Another way you could look at it.

For the old funkers who spent all their life playing pc games, it doesn't give them an advantage over controller users , it removes their disadvantage of not being able use a controller efficiently and allows them to play with their friends on the platform their friends prefer.

More gamers able to play together and have fun, isn't that what gaming is about.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Od1n on 04:39 AM - 11/14/19
Oh boy here we go, an arcade stick can not give you an advantage, the PS4 controller that came with the PS4 is much better when it comes to fighting games, plus Iím mainly referring the FPS games like R6S and COD, where a MnK would actually give you an advantage over a controller (trigger finger, easier aiming and smoothing key bindings). Iíve been versing MnKers ever since Iíve started playing r6s on PS4, they have a big advantage over others. I only use a PS4 controller on my PS4, I think thatís how it should be. A mouse and keyboard are much easier to learn and become better at than a controller. If you have a console, you should be only using the device that comes with it, unless itís medical.

if you re interested you could do some research in regards to the fighting game scene (FGC), especially on an esports level
players with arcade sticks received death threads as it was considered to be that much of an advantage, they got excluded from tournaments and harassed on their social media channels
after a long transition time controller players have "somewhat" accepted arcade stick players, but the discussion is still not over


In regards to RB6, most people you suspect to be ximmers are actually cronus or titan users, especially the cronus is much cheaper. You can spot it from the stutter that their micro movements have, plus if you send them a message about their cronus settings they usually admit it lol.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 08:48 PM - 11/17/19
It's just another reason why it's so fun to use the K&M is to hear all controller snowflakes whine and cry.

Well arenít you a kind soul
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 08:50 PM - 11/17/19
Oh boy here we go, an arcade stick can not give you an advantage, the PS4 controller that came with the PS4 is much better when it comes to fighting games, plus Iím mainly referring the FPS games like R6S and COD, where a MnK would actually give you an advantage over a controller (trigger finger, easier aiming and smoothing key bindings). Iíve been versing MnKers ever since Iíve started playing r6s on PS4, they have a big advantage over others. I only use a PS4 controller on my PS4, I think thatís how it should be. A mouse and keyboard are much easier to learn and become better at than a controller. If you have a console, you should be only using the device that comes with it, unless itís medical.

if you re interested you could do some research in regards to the fighting game scene (FGC), especially on an esports level
players with arcade sticks received death threads as it was considered to be that much of an advantage, they got excluded from tournaments and harassed on their social media channels
after a long transition time controller players have "somewhat" accepted arcade stick players, but the discussion is still not over


In regards to RB6, most people you suspect to be ximmers are actually cronus or titan users, especially the cronus is much cheaper. You can spot it from the stutter that their micro movements have, plus if you send them a message about their cronus settings they usually admit it lol.

I actually do see the stuttering a lot, thanks for telling me that they are actually Cronus or titan users :D
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: antithesis on 08:52 PM - 11/17/19
In regards to RB6, most people you suspect to be ximmers are actually cronus or titan users, especially the cronus is much cheaper. You can spot it from the stutter that their micro movements have, plus if you send them a message about their cronus settings they usually admit it lol.
Yeah, a wobbling or circling reticle, or rapidly zooming ADS in & out is an easy Cronus tell. Unfortunately for them, Siege has no AA, so it's completely pointless  ::)

Take the scripts out of the equation and CM is terrible for m/kb.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: RedManMosh on 08:17 AM - 11/18/19
If using a XIM is cheating, so is using a steering wheel, arcade stick or flight controller and no-one says anything about them. They're accepted as alternative input devices that are better suited for the task at hand...just like a XIM.

@#$% lame excuse. Does a steering wheel have aim assist? Does a steering wheel make you better at the game? NO. Stop using these lame @#$% excuses. Just admit you guys suck and need a cheating edge.  I use to be like you then i actually got a PC. LOL
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Obie_1_Kenobi on 10:22 AM - 11/18/19
I use a MNK because I simply canít use a controller. I am terrible at it. I am old and have arthritis. lol. Not sure of itís an advantage or not. I know some of the best players use a controller. I started off as a pc player playing counter strike! So when I found the XIM online I decided to go that route. Heck, I had to change my color blind settings this year.  To each his own....
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: ThedirtyRabbit on 11:53 AM - 11/18/19
If using a XIM is cheating, so is using a steering wheel, arcade stick or flight controller and no-one says anything about them. They're accepted as alternative input devices that are better suited for the task at hand...just like a XIM.

The fact you compared a arcade stick to a mnk adapter, is genuinely worrying.

I used to play Street Fighter 4 professionally, and yes you have an precision advantage if you're adapt with a fight stick over a controller. But you're still restricted by then game mechanics and controls. At EVO you're allowed to use a controller or fightstick, it's 100% personal preference.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: The prodigy on 03:00 PM - 11/18/19
Ofcourse a steering wheel could make you better at the game.   It's way more natural to use a wheel for driving compared to a controller for most people.
Exact same thing with an Arcade stick, most of us will have had more experience with this on fighting games prior to getting a console because thats how it's done in arcades.  Also the layout is superior, you can execute combos more efficiently.
I 100% believe once you get to a certain level with a controller it's superior to any mnk adapter because the aim assist is designed for it.  Look at really good console players they simply don't miss most of the time.  You can't beat that just by using a xim apex.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Andrxiaa on 04:58 PM - 11/18/19
If using a XIM is cheating, so is using a steering wheel, arcade stick or flight controller and no-one says anything about them. They're accepted as alternative input devices that are better suited for the task at hand...just like a XIM.

@#$% lame excuse. Does a steering wheel have aim assist? Does a steering wheel make you better at the game? NO. Stop using these lame @#$% excuses. Just admit you guys suck and need a cheating edge.  I use to be like you then i actually got a PC. LOL

are you @#$% slow.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: antithesis on 05:45 PM - 11/18/19
@#$% lame excuse. Does a steering wheel have aim assist? Does a steering wheel make you better at the game? NO. Stop using these lame @#$% excuses. Just admit you guys suck and need a cheating edge.  I use to be like you then i actually got a PC. LOL
A steering wheel does make you better at the game because it's designed specifically to perform that task. Driven any cars with a DualShock 4 lately?

Play any racing sim and you'll quickly find that your performance will improve with a wheel due to the far greater control you have over the game (12 inch wheel vs 1.5cm analog sticks).

The same applies to arcade sticks, HOTAS flight sticks, plastic guitars & drums and mouse & keyboard adapters. They are simply better tools for the job for those who choose to buy them.

I've played PC games since MS-DOS and connected to multiplayer games via BBS using a 14K dialup modem, so don't pull the Master Race card  ::)
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: alanmcgregor on 06:40 PM - 11/18/19
Quote from: OP
I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?

I'm PC player since '95, on my youth I played competitive Counter Strike. Nowadays, I play casually as any other grown up man supporting his family and business, is more a social activity. I play with my IRL friends on their consoles, is our relief valve, where we have a good time, drinking, joking around before our next meet-up.

For FPS games I prefer mouse and keyboard, is the right tool for the job and XIM gives me the option, on PC I can plug a controller and that's it.

However there is some significant caveats. Unlike true mouse input, XIM works inside of joystick limitations, there is acceleration in some degree and a very annoying turn limit, so no flick shoots, quick and precise turning and aim snapping, also if the game has poor aim/look mechanics, XIM can't do much.

For campaign games third person like RDR2, Spiderman, GoW etc I use the controller.

I still have a beefy Gaming PC and play there some games solo by the same token when I play on console I prefer little to no aim assist, not for ethical reasons... I believe it gets in my way when is too strong and if the game has poor network performance AA makes you lock in to a target that is not there, making hit detection worse, without AA you can lead shoots, and once get I got used to, I can flick shooting like on PC in a certain degree.

I'm aware than many XIM users relies on AA, which I understand is a resource to compensate the turn limit and less recoil control with XIM. What I personally think is pathetic/funny is those who use XIM on PC for AA abuse, but I get it no everybody has the dexterity to play as a top tier player with a true mouse input.

I worked on human interface devices for people with disabilities and I believe consoles should allow more input devices, just like PC, I applaud XIM Team because give us that option. Freedom of choice is always good.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: RedManMosh on 09:03 AM - 11/19/19
@#$% lame excuse. Does a steering wheel have aim assist? Does a steering wheel make you better at the game? NO. Stop using these lame @#$% excuses. Just admit you guys suck and need a cheating edge.  I use to be like you then i actually got a PC. LOL
A steering wheel does make you better at the game because it's designed specifically to perform that task. Driven any cars with a DualShock 4 lately?

Play any racing sim and you'll quickly find that your performance will improve with a wheel due to the far greater control you have over the game (12 inch wheel vs 1.5cm analog sticks).

The same applies to arcade sticks, HOTAS flight sticks, plastic guitars & drums and mouse & keyboard adapters. They are simply better tools for the job for those who choose to buy them.

I've played PC games since MS-DOS and connected to multiplayer games via BBS using a 14K dialup modem, so don't pull the Master Race card  ::)
 

I love how you just said the same @#$%. If you look at people that are actually good most donít use third party adapters and peripherals.  Also love how you compared an actual steering wheel to a toy you hook up to your console. If you wanna handicap your self by cheating then go ahead, just donít try to blow smoke up peoples @#$%.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: MeteoroBR on 10:40 AM - 11/19/19
This a simple question, I just want answers to why you would prefer to use, what I would call cheating but thatís just from what Iíve experienced, an adapter.


Buy a Xim Apex, join us and be happy!
End your suffering, man! Stop being the hunt and become the hunter! ;D
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: antithesis on 03:53 PM - 11/19/19
I love how you just said the same @#$%. If you look at people that are actually good most don’t use third party adapters and peripherals.  Also love how you compared an actual steering wheel to a toy you hook up to your console. If you wanna handicap your self by cheating then go ahead, just don’t try to blow smoke up peoples @#$%.
I repeated myself because you clearly don't understand what I'm saying. When dealing with children, repetition helps to convey the message. If you'd prefer that I use small words, I can do that too.

These are all advantageous devices in their respective genres because they are the best tools for the job. In some cases (wheels, HOTAS, instruments), they emulate real world interfaces that have been refined for over a century.

None of them will make you a god walking among mere mortals, they still require skill and practice. However, the skill ceiling is higher with dedicated devices than a generic console controller, so most players will be better with wheels, HOTAS, arcade sticks, mice etc than without.

Try racing Nurburgring with a wheel, then try again with a controller. I can guarantee you'll be significantly faster with the device that offers better control...and it ain't a controller. To repeat myself again, the same applies to fighters, flight sims, shooters, music games etc. Do you consider wheels, HOTAS, arcade sticks and music controllers to be cheat devices too, or do they simply offer more refined input?

If your argument is based solely on AA, then you've kind of missed the bulk of the discussion here about reducing rather than enhancing AA because a controller handles AA better than a XIM (the mouse hits an AA bubble that makes it harder to enter the hitbox). I guess the enhanced AA you get with a controller makes it cheating ::)

Keep your head in the sand champ, or...I don't know...actually use any of these devices before commenting. Or crawl back in your hole and play with the wallhackers, aimbots and lagswitchers on PC, because that's a tonne of fun!
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Andrxiaa on 06:43 PM - 11/19/19
Quote from: OP
I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?

I'm PC player since '95, on my youth I played competitive Counter Strike. Nowadays, I play casually as any other grown up man supporting his family and business, is more a social activity. I play with my IRL friends on their consoles, is our relief valve, where we have a good time, drinking, joking around before our next meet-up.

For FPS games I prefer mouse and keyboard, is the right tool for the job and XIM gives me the option, on PC I can plug a controller and that's it.

However there is some significant caveats. Unlike true mouse input, XIM works inside of joystick limitations, there is acceleration in some degree and a very annoying turn limit, so no flick shoots, quick and precise turning and aim snapping, also if the game has poor aim/look mechanics, XIM can't do much.

For campaign games third person like RDR2, Spiderman, GoW etc I use the controller.

I still have a beefy Gaming PC and play there some games solo by the same token when I play on console I prefer little to no aim assist, not for ethical reasons... I believe it gets in my way when is too strong and if the game has poor network performance AA makes you lock in to a target that is not there, making hit detection worse, without AA you can lead shoots, and once get I got used to, I can flick shooting like on PC in a certain degree.

I'm aware than many XIM users relies on AA, which I understand is a resource to compensate the turn limit and less recoil control with XIM. What I personally think is pathetic/funny is those who use XIM on PC for AA abuse, but I get it no everybody has the dexterity to play as a top tier player with a true mouse input.

I worked on human interface devices for people with disabilities and I believe consoles should allow more input devices, just like PC, I applaud XIM Team because give us that option. Freedom of choice is always good.

Couldnít agree more, itís pathetic people who use the xim on pc..
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: antithesis on 06:48 PM - 11/19/19
Couldnít agree more, itís pathetic people who use the xim on pc..
Pathetic is harsh, each to their own. Console controls are much more compact than native kb on PC, that's reason enough to try a XIM if you prefer console controls :)
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Andrxiaa on 08:45 PM - 11/19/19
Couldnít agree more, itís pathetic people who use the xim on pc..
Pathetic is harsh, each to their own. Console controls are much more compact than native kb on PC, that's reason enough to try a XIM if you prefer console controls :)

But thatís not the reason they use it, they use it for an aa advantage over other pc players...

If that was the reason fair enough, but still.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: antithesis on 08:52 PM - 11/19/19
But thatís not the reason they use it, they use it for an aa advantage over other pc players...

If that was the reason fair enough, but still.
On the flipside, native m/kb has better precision and faster turn speed...swings and roundabouts.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Kicksi on 09:21 PM - 11/19/19
This a simple question, I just want answers to why you would prefer to use, what I would call cheating but thatís just from what Iíve experienced, an adapter.


Buy a Xim Apex, join us and be happy!
End your suffering, man! Stop being the hunt and become the hunter! ;D

Maybe not today my friend XD
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Andrxiaa on 09:22 PM - 11/19/19
But thatís not the reason they use it, they use it for an aa advantage over other pc players...

If that was the reason fair enough, but still.
On the flipside, native m/kb has better precision and faster turn speed...swings and roundabouts.
Tell that to the pc ximmers, rather than putting the work of training your aim and getting better they stay and rely on aa.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: alanmcgregor on 10:17 PM - 11/19/19
But thatís not the reason they use it, they use it for an aa advantage over other pc players...

If that was the reason fair enough, but still.
On the flipside, native m/kb has better precision and faster turn speed...swings and roundabouts.
Tell that to the pc ximmers, rather than putting the work of training your aim and getting better they stay and rely on aa.
At the end they are digging its own grave, AA dependence turns in its own plateau.

XIM mouse translation (even worse with an unoptimized ST because is not supported) will be easily out played by true native mouse input which has:
no acceleration,
no turn limit,
precise tracking for all the aim/looks and
better recoil control.

Every time they pick up a new game or the dev change something, they spent ours to make its AA work again, while its tracking is very poor. If they jump to a peer to peer game, its hit detection will be aggravated by the AA stuck in bubble a 50ms non-existent hitbox.

Everyone can use its stuff as they pleased. Compact interface more like cut-down, scripting devices does the same in essence, an input wrapper/manipulator.

It would be more coherent for the XIM Community MVP's and some Mods to follow XIM Team purpose, denying any source of support of the misuse of XIM on PC as they do against scripting devices and macros.

More and more people start seen XIM as a cheating device, far from what it really is.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: RedManMosh on 08:45 AM - 11/20/19
I love how you just said the same @#$%. If you look at people that are actually good most donít use third party adapters and peripherals.  Also love how you compared an actual steering wheel to a toy you hook up to your console. If you wanna handicap your self by cheating then go ahead, just donít try to blow smoke up peoples @#$%.
I repeated myself because you clearly don't understand what I'm saying. When dealing with children, repetition helps to convey the message. If you'd prefer that I use small words, I can do that too.

These are all advantageous devices in their respective genres because they are the best tools for the job. In some cases (wheels, HOTAS, instruments), they emulate real world interfaces that have been refined for over a century.

None of them will make you a god walking among mere mortals, they still require skill and practice. However, the skill ceiling is higher with dedicated devices than a generic console controller, so most players will be better with wheels, HOTAS, arcade sticks, mice etc than without.

Try racing Nurburgring with a wheel, then try again with a controller. I can guarantee you'll be significantly faster with the device that offers better control...and it ain't a controller. To repeat myself again, the same applies to fighters, flight sims, shooters, music games etc. Do you consider wheels, HOTAS, arcade sticks and music controllers to be cheat devices too, or do they simply offer more refined input?

If your argument is based solely on AA, then you've kind of missed the bulk of the discussion here about reducing rather than enhancing AA because a controller handles AA better than a XIM (the mouse hits an AA bubble that makes it harder to enter the hitbox). I guess the enhanced AA you get with a controller makes it cheating ::)

Keep your head in the sand champ, or...I don't know...actually use any of these devices before commenting. Or crawl back in your hole and play with the wallhackers, aimbots and lagswitchers on PC, because that's a tonne of fun!

Your an idiot. Seriously disputing that this adapter isnít cheating. At least people on pc KNOW WHEN THEY ARE CHEATING.  I can see that you need all the help you can get. So more power to you, stop lying. Iíve used xim and itís @#$% cheating, you obviously donít have the skill to compete with native MnK players. Trash
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: The prodigy on 11:03 AM - 11/20/19
Your an idiot

Lol he's not the one wasting precious time out of his day EVERY single day by just hating on people who are using a device that you no longer use.

Sorry but you're the idiot here and a hypocrit because it was all fine when you did so, even if you felt like a cheater while doing it you still were doing it and payed a premium price to do so.  Not sure how you can live with that feeling because it looks like you really hate it when other people do it.

I understand that you moved on to pc but please take that negativity with you.  :)
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: antithesis on 11:22 PM - 11/20/19
Your an idiot.
:facepalm:

I rest my case.
Title: Re: I am a controller player, I just want to ask why do you guys use MnK?
Post by: Od1n on 05:15 AM - 11/21/19
Your an idiot. Seriously disputing that this adapter isnít cheating. At least people on pc KNOW WHEN THEY ARE CHEATING.  I can see that you need all the help you can get. So more power to you, stop lying. Iíve used xim and itís @#$% cheating, you obviously donít have the skill to compete with native MnK players. Trash

I think we re done here

From a legal point of view its not cheating and that is honestly the only relevant point of view. Everyone can have their own oppinion on top of that which is perfectly fine, but at the end of the day the legal circumstances are the ones that matter.
Also insulting other people for having an oppinion that you do not agree with is really low man.