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Title: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: OBsIV on 11:08 AM - 04/27/19
Hey everyone, if you aren't using our Betas or you aren't using the Simulate Analog Behavior (SAB) feature, you can disregard this post. For those who are, we are working on the next Beta release and would like to know what values you currently use on the games you play.

If you could, please reply with the each game and SAB value you use with it. Knowing this will help us out a lot.

Thanks!
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Gsx1400 on 12:00 PM - 04/27/19
Fortnite BR - 50
Playin on pc
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: The prodigy on 12:07 PM - 04/27/19
Apex Legends
100 SAB (ADS profile only)

Battlefield V
70 SAB (ADS profile only)
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: mr_foox on 03:16 PM - 04/27/19
Fortnite BR - 100
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Od1n on 05:03 PM - 04/27/19
Overwatch: up to 200
Fortnite: 125
BFV: 75
BO4: 35
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Double J STL on 07:19 PM - 04/27/19
Fortnite - 115 SAB
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: darkleos012345 on 09:49 PM - 04/27/19
Hello Everyone

I know this is a little Noob question.
Is there anybody telling me what SAB does?
I've never used SAB before.
I watched the video, but I couldn't understand it because my English wasn't very good.
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Lemon1 on 02:20 AM - 04/28/19
Overwatch - 80
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Scrappy6262 on 08:17 AM - 04/28/19
Hello Everyone

I know this is a little Noob question.
Is there anybody telling me what SAB does?
I've never used SAB before.
I watched the video, but I couldn't understand it because my English wasn't very good.

To you asking the SAB question: Hello,

SAB adds variances/or slightly random movement (I believe) to your WASD keys as far as I know. So for instance, when holding W it may make very small hardly noticable movements left or right as well like an analog stick would. Depending on your level of SAB this will be hardly noticable or very noticable. In games where character movement has affect on aim assist it can change how the aim assist feels if used... because keyboard movement is VERY different than analog movement when no SAB is used.


To add to the discussion here:

Hey everyone!

I use 20 SAB for Bo4 because it gives me some control of the aim assist while not feeling muddy/slow. I really enjoy the fast movement of keyboard otherwise i'd bump it up to ~45 for more console like movement and overa better AA.

For Apex I was using 50 SAB (don't play it anymore but it seemed good)

For R6S I use 5-15 SAB- not for AA... just so I don't look like  i'm straight out of PC.

Older CoDs I do use more SAB as strafe movement isn't as needed as in Bo4, usually 40-55. Thanks for being a great dev team, I don't think there's a gaming community out there as helpful as this one

Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: YogurtcuBayram on 08:54 AM - 04/28/19
Maybe it is better for aim assist but high SAB values feel the delay in micro movements.. acceleration in fast movements..
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: OBsIV on 09:55 AM - 04/28/19
Thanks everyone. For the next Beta I'm trying to figure out good "safe" defaults (by safe I mean effective but not so high that something feels wrong). Look like people are using higher values for Fornite and Apex Legends and lower for everything else.

What do you think we did by default for new Configs:

Fortnite/PUBG/Apex Legends: 75
Everything else: 15

Thoughts?
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: RumorhasLt on 12:38 PM - 04/28/19
Fortnite 115
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Od1n on 01:56 PM - 04/28/19
Thanks everyone. For the next Beta I'm trying to figure out good "safe" defaults (by safe I mean effective but not so high that something feels wrong). Look like people are using higher values for Fornite and Apex Legends and lower for everything else.

What do you think we did by default for new Configs:

Fortnite/PUBG/Apex Legends: 75
Everything else: 15

Thoughts?

i dont think default values are an improvement for the community
in apex legends you have a lot of keyboard inventory adjustment to do and values of higher than 30 can already feel very wrong as you can visually see how your inventory cursor slightly drifts away due to the SAB
the same can be said about a lot of other games that also have visual cursors that you control via the keyboard
(destiny, warframe, apex legends, anthem and PUBG have it too i think, ...)
next to that there are games where a certain SAB value can cancel an ingame action, for example in CoD games a value of higher than 65 can cancel your sprint if the drift angle is high enough

and then there are also the players who prefer the precise keyboard movement over SABs better aim assist, they will complain about their configs feeling different after upgrading without really knowing why or how to undo that (they may have never used a SAB firmware before or never really bothered about the feature at all)


a base value of 15 shouldnt cause that much of a uproar though and i havent played a game yet where a value of 15 would cause any troubles in regards to game elements or gameplay features
from my experience SAB 15 doesnt feel all that different to 0 SAB plus the few ximmers that can tell a difference can set the value to 0 by theirselfs
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: OBsIV on 06:43 PM - 04/28/19
Thanks Od1n, so, your suggestion is 15 for all games?
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Antec800 on 07:54 PM - 04/28/19
Any sab over 10-15 in apex legends cause your character to stop sprinting which is detrimental in that game
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Tech_Geek on 08:27 PM - 04/28/19
I have been using WK Analog Keyboard for the last 5 months and I have found it to be completely useless!, So I'm back to logitech Keyboards and I am using the amount of SAB between 15-35, doing great.
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: OBsIV on 09:27 AM - 04/29/19
Any sab over 10-15 in apex legends cause your character to stop sprinting which is detrimental in that game

Good information, thank you!
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Od1n on 11:31 AM - 04/29/19
Thanks Od1n, so, your suggestion is 15 for all games?

yes that is a very good base value
its low enough to hardly be noticeable in terms of keyboard movement precision but already large enough to make an actual difference with the aim assist, one that you can indeed experience
the tradeoff is good in my oppinion plus i havent seen a game yet where a value of 15 causes a problem.
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: InZane on 03:52 PM - 04/29/19
May i ask how SAB helps aim assist and how to take advantage og it?
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Od1n on 04:40 PM - 04/29/19
May i ask how SAB helps aim assist and how to take advantage og it?

the aim assist algorithm doesnt only take the right stick aiming into account but to some extrend also the left stick character movement.
keyboard inputs are very different to those of an analog stick which can cause aim assist problems.
your crosshair might get pushed away or it feels like the character is coated by a resistance bubble that you need to break into to aim on the target

SAB helps with that while you are moving, especially while making faster strafe movements.
it doesnt really increase or decrease the aim assist strength, it just helps to get a better aim assist behavior with your mouse
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: baadnewz on 01:59 AM - 05/01/19
What SAB value are you guys using for Black Ops 4?
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Hushkush85 on 05:29 AM - 05/01/19
BF v 70
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Scrappy6262 on 09:15 AM - 05/01/19
What SAB value are you guys using for Black Ops 4?

Anywhere from 10-45. I currently use 20 on hip and ADS, it seems to do nicely. For a while I was using 10 SAB for hip and 35 on ADS but I really like the fast strafing of the keyboard with stock 1/2 attachments. At 15-20 I hardly notice the degraded strafing but the AA is noticably better. Don't go above 65 I believe in bo4, your sprint will break randomly. I guess for ADS you could try higher than that but be warned strafing will suffer
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Kingownagexx on 05:20 PM - 05/07/19
On fortnite, some of the time you *can't move and you have to repress the key if its not on simulate analog behavior so for that game i have the value set to 5 just so it will work
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Key Movements on 07:12 PM - 05/07/19
PubG
SAB : 0
(Never have tried it)

I also use xim link and a modded joystick on my keypad.
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Daimos on 05:41 AM - 05/09/19
Division 1

Beta FW 20190320

SAB - 5-15, higher than 15+ feel like it helps more with AA, but not good for micro movements. I managed to play without the help of AA and enjoy the game.
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: havoxxx on 01:17 PM - 05/15/19
Regarding SAB

As you may know using SAB on HIP in most games break's the movement of strafing left and right. So i came with a work around to fix this!

This requires 3 Auxiliary profiles.

First One is for W.

W - This Sub Auxiliary profile should have the same exact setup as your HIP profile, but with inherit unchecked and nothing but SAB added.

A - This Sub Auxiliary profile should have the same exact setup as your HIP profile, but with inherit checked.

D - This Sub Auxiliary profile should have the same exact setup as your HIP profile, but with inherit checked.

Doing this should Allows W to have SAB movement without breaking the movement mechanic.

Another thing i came across.

If the user wants to use A,D with SAB

you need to do this;

Add SAB to the ADS TAB.


A - This Sub Auxiliary profile should have the same exact setup as your HIP profile, but with inherit unchecked, but uses the ADS translator.

D - This Sub Auxiliary profile should have the same exact setup as your HIP profile, but with inherit unchecked, but uses the ADS translator.

^ using this would require a adjustment to the sensitivities.

I will make a video tutorial, I do not know when it will be up tho.
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: LavenderGoomz on 05:40 PM - 05/15/19
Blackout SAB 50 - SYNC DEFAULT
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: BUNGEE on 06:18 AM - 05/17/19
BO4 Core Team DM, KDR 3.50, SPM 500, SAB 60, no curve
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Tahsin on 05:53 AM - 05/22/19
What SAB value are you guys using for Pubg ?
I have logitech G13 gameboard
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: LeMiiRx on 12:43 PM - 05/22/19
I was using 0 sab for rainbow six siege and i can notice a lot difference so i decided to go back to old beta firmware
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Omarf826 on 01:36 AM - 05/23/19
Regarding SAB

As you may know using SAB on HIP in most games break's the movement of strafing left and right. So i came with a work around to fix this!

This requires 3 Auxiliary profiles.

First One is for W.

W - This Sub Auxiliary profile should have the same exact setup as your HIP profile, but with inherit unchecked and nothing but SAB added.

A - This Sub Auxiliary profile should have the same exact setup as your HIP profile, but with inherit checked.

D - This Sub Auxiliary profile should have the same exact setup as your HIP profile, but with inherit checked.

Doing this should Allows W to have SAB movement without breaking the movement mechanic.

Another thing i came across.

If the user wants to use A,D with SAB

you need to do this;

Add SAB to the ADS TAB.


A - This Sub Auxiliary profile should have the same exact setup as your HIP profile, but with inherit unchecked, but uses the ADS translator.

D - This Sub Auxiliary profile should have the same exact setup as your HIP profile, but with inherit unchecked, but uses the ADS translator.

^ using this would require a adjustment to the sensitivities.

I will make a video tutorial, I do not know when it will be up tho.

Can someone screenshot a picture of how to set this up? Kinda confused
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: fuxx1337 on 03:55 AM - 05/31/19
playing with 100 on bfv,blops4 and apex
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: vincent107 on 07:14 PM - 06/14/19
If i don't enable aim-assist, Should SAB choose 0 or OFF or other value in Firmware 20190613?
If i don't enable aim-assist, What is the benefit of the right SAB values?

thanks!

May i ask how SAB helps aim assist and how to take advantage og it?

the aim assist algorithm doesnt only take the right stick aiming into account but to some extrend also the left stick character movement.
keyboard inputs are very different to those of an analog stick which can cause aim assist problems.
your crosshair might get pushed away or it feels like the character is coated by a resistance bubble that you need to break into to aim on the target

SAB helps with that while you are moving, especially while making faster strafe movements.
it doesnt really increase or decrease the aim assist strength, it just helps to get a better aim assist behavior with your mouse
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: vincent107 on 08:08 PM - 06/14/19
Hi

Why are you only adding SAB to ADS?


Apex Legends
100 SAB (ADS profile only)

Battlefield V
70 SAB (ADS profile only)
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Snapping Turtle on 09:04 PM - 06/29/19
I have the latest beta firmware and latest testflight manager, and my SAB has disappeared?
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Tobybunz on 02:06 PM - 07/20/19
I have been using WK Analog Keyboard for the last 5 months and I have found it to be completely useless!, So I'm back to logitech Keyboards and I am using the amount of SAB between 15-35, doing great.

What do you mean?  I got a wooting one and i thought i noticed an improvement when i first switched.  I did also remember to disable the WASD key in XIM Manager and set WASD to analog on wootility

To be honest, XIM feels NOTHING like it was before.  Someone had mentioned that was because Fortnite changed the aiming mechanics so lately, its been pretty horrible and my games have taken a steep decline.  It was especially noticeable when the recent update came out and we had to cut our sensitivity in half.  I wish there was a way to go back to the update before that change, cause i was used to it and was doing awesome

As for the thread, i leave it at default which i think is 0 because i use wooting one
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: slickrick on 07:21 PM - 07/20/19
I have been using WK Analog Keyboard for the last 5 months and I have found it to be completely useless!, So I'm back to logitech Keyboards and I am using the amount of SAB between 15-35, doing great.

What do you mean?  I got a wooting one and i thought i noticed an improvement when i first switched.  I did also remember to disable the WASD key in XIM Manager and set WASD to analog on wootility

To be honest, XIM feels NOTHING like it was before.  Someone had mentioned that was because Fortnite changed the aiming mechanics so lately, its been pretty horrible and my games have taken a steep decline.  It was especially noticeable when the recent update came out and we had to cut our sensitivity in half.  I wish there was a way to go back to the update before that change, cause i was used to it and was doing awesome

As for the thread, i leave it at default which i think is 0 because i use wooting one
  0 is still not off on sab,, maybe try turning it off and see if that helps.
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: jujupaster on 11:50 AM - 07/23/19
Where is sab? I have last firnware
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: WarCat on 12:01 PM - 07/23/19
Where is sab? I have last firnware

Make sure you have the latest BETA firmware, retail does not have it I don't think. If you are on the latest BETA, or the latest retail does have it, make sure you have your "expert" mode enabled, then go to your config and press the 3 dots (...) under the movement tab. You'll see the SAB/Simulate Analog Behavior there. Be careful though, too much SAB on hip may cause sprint cancellation issues depending on the game. If you want to put SAB only on the ADS, you will have to uncheck the inherit tick box on top of the ADS config.
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: umtapinha on 08:25 AM - 07/24/19
Hello guys. I am using a value of 120 in BFV.

I can't play with SAV off. My movements just get square. Without any mobility, at least in BFV. I haven't tested it in another game yet.

With this value I have a lot of agility in ASDX keys, which are that move my player.

What is negative about using a high value of SAB?
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: slickrick on 01:32 PM - 07/24/19
Hello guys. I am using a value of 120 in BFV.

I can't play with SAV off. My movements just get square. Without any mobility, at least in BFV. I haven't tested it in another game yet.

With this value I have a lot of agility in ASDX keys, which are that move my player.

What is negative about using a high value of SAB?
  you no in BF5,  in the in game setting theres a setting where a little more of a press in one direction can cancel the other. its in options in controller tuning!  if that numbers high you will have a problem, lower the number if you dont want to use as much SAB.
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: umtapinha on 02:01 PM - 07/24/19
Do you have a picture of where this setting is? I did not understand very well.


Hello guys. I am using a value of 120 in BFV.

I can't play with SAV off. My movements just get square. Without any mobility, at least in BFV. I haven't tested it in another game yet.

With this value I have a lot of agility in ASDX keys, which are that move my player.

What is negative about using a high value of SAB?
  you no in BF5,  in the in game setting theres a setting where a little more of a press in one direction can cancel the other. its in options in controller tuning!  if that numbers high you will have a problem, lower the number if you dont want to use as much SAB.
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Mixiricas19 on 04:07 PM - 07/24/19
não sei que opção é essa (SAB), alguém pode colocar uma foto?
Title: Re: FEEDBACK: Simulate Analog Behavior values you use
Post by: Addytoostrong on 08:15 PM - 07/24/19
I need recommendations for OW. Ive tried values of 85hip and 125 for widow ads but i still get weird interference. Just looking foe the most consistent response