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Title: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 02:53 AM - 11/06/18
http://azeron.eu

Its Teensy so it can be used on XIM! Left and right hand input device.

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Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 02:54 AM - 11/06/18
Key-towers, I always wanted key-Towers, love them LOL
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Jamesbone on 04:46 AM - 11/06/18
Anybody got one? How does it feel to use?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: pulpbiggles on 04:58 AM - 11/06/18
<splat> That, only wireless and working with the xim would be an instant purchase by me.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 06:28 AM - 11/06/18
I ordered two. Itís a Teensy so W11ce can do his wizardry with it. Imants the maker of the device will add the XIM code. To make Teensy wireless W11ce needs to work together with Obsiv. Will this happen? No idea.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: pulpbiggles on 06:41 AM - 11/06/18
Obsiv! COME ON! You know you want to!

<I say this with absolutely no idea of what's involved and whether it is a realistic request>
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 07:01 AM - 11/06/18
I think W11ce said it is possible at least with a dongle that is plugged to the XIM hub. Maybe Obsiv just has to allow the dongle like other wireless hardware?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: pulpbiggles on 07:15 AM - 11/06/18
I suppose (from my absolutely zero knowledge base) the dongles such as those supplied by Logitech don't appear as a bluetooth dongle as such to the xim, but literally just report the keystrokes/button presses as if the HID is connected directly to the xim.

So I guess the issue is that any standard bluetooth dongle that's available is different in that it doesn't appear as a HID but as exactly what it is - a Bluetooth dongle.

I wonder, if the trick could be to have the teensy communicate with a pre-existing wireless device dongle Ö perhaps the Logitech unifying receiver Ö I have no idea if possible, but wouldn't that basically take the xim out of the equation in terms of Obsiv having to do something? Those unifying receivers are readily available, either as a standalone purchase or as part of a pack.

Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 07:48 AM - 11/06/18
No idea Pulp. Apex can talk BT and could talk directly to the Teensy with BT enabled board. Doesnít it already talk to the Sony Nav without dongle? Well W11ce and Obs will figure it out if they want to. Teensy-Apex BT would basically enable any input device to be wireless. G13, N52te, Orbweaver ...any gaming keyboard.
Anyway that Azeron is so much a gamers dream and guarantees to stay a virgin for any teen, hell you can loose your wife over that input device LOL. I can see my wife ask "the hell is this" with those big eyes.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Fox McCloud on 07:56 AM - 11/06/18
Does anybody own and can confirm this product works? I don't game on PC so if it's a no go with XIM then I'd be wasting my money.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 08:00 AM - 11/06/18
Its teensy so itís a 100% working with XIM if you flash W11ces firmware to the Teensy that emulates G13. I use his Firmware on a teensy in a N52te. More interesting is how the switches are usable. Are they nice to press or fatiguing? This thing is 3D printed and hand assembled, mine is done end of the week. I will tell you when I have it. It could bite my hand off.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 08:13 AM - 11/06/18
I wonder if the wireless teensy would speed up if we would make a crowdfund out of this.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: pulpbiggles on 08:29 AM - 11/06/18
Apex can talk BT and could talk directly to the Teensy with BT enabled board. Doesnít it already talk to the Sony Nav without dongle?

That's very true Ö I guess there might be nuances for how different devices would work but surely one combo could be supported if only to provide another option for people who just don't get on with the NAV.

The ability to use a keypad wireless would be a complete win for me. Currently I either have to have a cable stretching across room for my N52te (which I hate - the cable, not the N52 - and isn't great with dogs around), or I have to use a NAV, which I cannot learnt to love despite many attempts - it always feels like a massive compromise.

I have also tried using a full size wireless keyboard, but that is never comfortable on the lap, even with some sort of rest - it takes up too much room and pushes my right arm out for the mouse into a position that doesn't feel natural.

It will be interesting to see what Razer and Microsoft announce later this month. Pretty sure that something is planned in partnership on the back of Microsoft pushing forward on the whole mouse & keyboard front. Wonder if there might be some wireless device(s) planned.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 08:50 AM - 11/06/18
Same here I have the Corsair Lapdesk and hate it cause of WASD. I am sure I could get used to WASD in some decades but I prefer not to. Never liked it not even in the 80s and 90s bevore the analogue stick. Also same here about the single cord. Nice wireless 70g 305 mouse and a wired N52te with trap wire and annyoing to set up and put away. No G13 successor in sight, not even sure if wireless, if ever happening.
I really hope W11ce will get the drive to make it happen now with the Azeron. Obsiv will get one for sure, this design is too genious.

Here is the keys in action, I asked for a video to see if the keys are soft. And they are!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkI97ORwmso&index=6&list=UUyMLdgkYQ5dXUDZjTAwYEEA

Looks amazing, fingers just hang in there and push buttons.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: pulpbiggles on 09:12 AM - 11/06/18
Yes, that looks like a real winner. Aesthetically pleasing for sure, but with real practicality. The positioning of that analog stick looks spot on.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: N1TRO on 09:21 AM - 11/06/18
i see youve found what you were looking for roads hope the product turns out to be a great purchase. Imho im surprised xim as a company hasnt decided to create their own analogue input device based on feedback from these very forums judging soley on the number of players who instantly jump on the latest analogue device it could one satisfy that particular group of players and two it could be a huge hit and sell extremely well especially if bundle offers with the xim apex were offered.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 09:37 AM - 11/06/18
Yeah Obsiv decided not to. I guess he is aim focused and he was always content with a sony nav for wireless and the G13 for wired left hand input device with analogue sticks. Most of us never were as the Sony nav has too few keys and lies badly in the hand and the G13 has awful keys and is really bad ergonomically.

Btw I find the Azeron has a really good price knowing what 3D printing costs. Those are a lot of parts and the Teensy isn't cheap either.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 09:40 AM - 11/06/18
Pulp looks like you can move the position of the analog piece if you look at the bottom. This thing is highly adjustable to your hand.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 09:44 AM - 11/06/18
And sorry there was a typo, as its teensy you CAN use it on the XIM without modding - corrected
Just needs flashing
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Au1d Yin on 10:07 AM - 11/06/18
Interesting topic about the development.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=93039.0

I'll be buying one although I might struggle a wee bit with cramped fingers ... no room to wiggle my fingers to keep my old circulation going lol.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: N1TRO on 11:49 AM - 11/06/18
Ok thanks for informing me iv only been around for two years always nice to hear the thoughts of vets.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Fox McCloud on 12:33 PM - 11/06/18
Its teensy so itís a 100% working with XIM if you flash W11ces firmware to the Teensy that emulates G13. I use his Firmware on a teensy in a N52te. More interesting is how the switches are usable. Are they nice to press or fatiguing? This thing is 3D printed and hand assembled, mine is done end of the week. I will tell you when I have it. It could bite my hand off.

I'll be eagerly awaiting your review.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 02:39 PM - 11/06/18
W11ce is officially on the wireless thing, far from trivial, our thoughts are with you. :D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: pulpbiggles on 03:02 PM - 11/06/18
I still have my W11ce device ... in W11ce we trust.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 03:06 PM - 11/06/18
His mission is 1000hz lagfree connection.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: antithesis on 05:03 PM - 11/06/18
I'm not fully appreciating the key towers and it looks pretty goofy, but it's another shiny toy to add to the collection.

Here's an image with a better perspective of the buttons -
(https://preview.ibb.co/c3qkk8/Gaming_Keypad_013.jpg)

It's also the only right-hand device (for lefties) with an analog stick, so I'm all over this...just...can't help...myself  :o

The hardest part was choosing the colour (I went with magenta ;) ) Right hand is out of stock now, I got the last one. It won't be delivered until Dec 18, just in time for Xmas.

I'm gonna enjoy streaming with this thing for the novelty value alone. Thanks for posting roads!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Jamesbone on 05:13 PM - 11/06/18
How do you go about flashing it to work with xim ?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: antithesis on 05:30 PM - 11/06/18
How do you go about flashing it to work with xim ?
Teensy has a PC / Mac firmware flash tool. There'll likely be some way to set the device into flash mode (reset button on base), select the firmware to install using the Teensy app, flash W11ce's G13 FW...done.

Looking forward to roads' feedback. Hopefully W11ce's firmware will be working on it by the time I get mine.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: W11cE on 05:44 PM - 11/06/18
Uh, what? I have a mission now?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Jamesbone on 07:57 PM - 11/06/18
How do you go about flashing it to work with xim ?
Teensy has a PC / Mac firmware flash tool. There'll likely be some way to set the device into flash mode (reset button on base), select the firmware to install using the Teensy app, flash W11ce's G13 FW...done.

Looking forward to roads' feedback. Hopefully W11ce's firmware will be working on it by the time I get mine.

Ok awesome,  I'll order one too, even if I cant get it to work with xim I still play PC anyway😁
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 09:50 PM - 11/06/18
antithesis as I said hope you are no Virgin. This device is brutaly geeky. I allready love the looks. Those finger towers! I don't take credits, R3MiX found it and I just picked up the ball, hyped it and harassed W11ce with spam Whatsapp messages until he gave up. But - I know him, he loves this sheit too. He is not convinced yet the buttons work well gaming, Imants (Azeron) sends him mine to test. I quite think it will work as he went through a lot of prototype testing with friends as you can see on Geekhack. But sure, you have to lay.

flashing the Teensy you install Arduino software, add some library files choose the Teensy that is connected to PC over USB and flash it. Next restart you are good to go.

Be prepared that for the wireless version you will need to replace the Teensy as Imants uses Teensy 2.0 which is not the best option for wireless as I understand. I think W11ce will do custom Teensy with low cost version as it eats less energy. The battery will be a PS4 controller battery its widely available. I will ask Imants to leave the cables long enough so soldering is not that hard.

I guess Imants will adopt the custom LC Teensy for later versions so he can go wireless also with PC and XIM. Most of us don't care about PC, games don't support mouse and analog stick well, its still the best option to choose controller and go over the XIM on PC.

So W11ce will make the Azeron work on Xim which will be piece of cake, 5 minute job for him, he has the code already and then try to make the Teensy wireless 1000hz which is really hard as I understand as there is hardware without code. Wireless left hand full gamepad would be a milestone for Xim gaming.

Uh, what? I have a mission now?

Yes Commander, we (the world) rely on you, good luck commander!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: antithesis on 02:20 AM - 11/07/18
antithesis as I said hope you are no Virgin. This device is brutaly geeky. I allready love the looks. Those finger towers!
It's got me drooling too. I am nothing if not a gaming accessory aficionado - there are boxes full of decades-old gaming gadgets under my house. I care more about how I interface with a game than actually playing it.

I'm not after a wireless version myself, the vanilla Azeron should do me just fine. Hopefully W11CE's Teensy firmware won't require a lot of effort to transfer to the Azeron.

In the worst case scenario, I'll pipe it from PC to Xim via Titan Two and use Joy2Key etc. Or ask J2K at ConsoleTuner to take a look at it and add direct support on T2.

Any right-hand analog gamepad is a milestone for lefties.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 02:23 AM - 11/07/18
I can update a Teensy if I have code and library so can you. Not a problem.

Quote
I care more about how I interface with a game than actually playing it

Yeah me too and I only enjoy gaming if the interfacing is perfect.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Au1d Yin on 07:13 AM - 11/07/18
I ordered one yesterday ... is there any chance that the Xim will recognize it as a joystick HID device 'out of the box' without flashing?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: pulpbiggles on 07:26 AM - 11/07/18
I ordered one yesterday ... is there any chance that the Xim will recognize it as a joystick HID device 'out of the box' without flashing?

Doesn't look that way mate. Must admit I'm fighting the urge to order one - trying to wait until we know if wireless can definitely be achieved.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 08:31 AM - 11/07/18
That will take weeks Pulp. @Au1d Yin sure after W11ce has the device he will give the modified G13 code to Imants whom you can then ask to flash the the Teensy or he will build it into his firmware. But flashing is really no biggie.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: pulpbiggles on 08:59 AM - 11/07/18
I expected it to take a while, it's difficult to not purchase now when it looks so good. Will definitely wait for some of you early adopters to feedback first though!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: ceebs on 09:01 AM - 11/07/18
Interesting.

Looks impressive, great concept, but 3D printed? Unsure how well it would last. And I'm looking forward to trying out analogue keys with the Wooting 2 soon. Not sure that mechanical is the way forward, so the timing is wrong for me.

I'm looking forward to your review, though, Roads.

(Thanks for pointing me at this thread, anti. No, I hadn't seen it.)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 10:13 AM - 11/07/18
W11ce has doubts because of buttons in use. I hope he is wrong.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Au1d Yin on 11:01 AM - 11/07/18
Me personally, I'm willing to take a chance on it, if it doesn't suit me I wont complain.It was interesting to see Imants progression from a hand carved wood palm rest .. to the stage it is at now ... I take my hat off to him  8)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 11:14 AM - 11/07/18
Me too, chapeau. The design is very clever.  We had something similar in mind with W11ce but we did not have the drive and persistence to get from Idea to prototyping. I guess N52te mod was too good. The adjustabilty alone of the the Azeron is unique. The switches I only know from Microsoft Professional IIô, Datahand  see here https://oddstuffmagazine.com/worlds-10-most-pricey-computer-keyboards.html
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 11:23 PM - 11/07/18
Good news for Azeron wired and bad for wireless. Wired will likely work out of the box without flashing, W11ce informs Imants what his firmware has to do and what not. The Apex knows teensy already as I understand.
Bad for wireless is, it cant be sold just like that because of RF laws. It can be done with a lot of paperwork and needs EMC testing and costs thousands of Euros W11ce explained to me.
Again like with the N52te Teensy mod and prototyping something new, there is not enough urge and drive to fund this, we can all play wired after all, its not that we have to pick up the controller or being forced to WASD. The alternative would be a crowdfund, not sure if W11ce would do the work even if the necessary money would be collected. It would make more sense for guys who want to sell a retail product, for example Obsiv if he wants a wireless XIM ID (input device) to go through the validation process. Or Imants if he wants to get his finger towers to be plastic printed instead of 3D-print at home. The best would be  if Obsiv and Imants would team up. Imants has a very clever design and Obsiv has the means to make a finished product and it would fit perfectly into the Xim world.

My device is in the making and is shipped next week.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: OBsIV on 11:57 PM - 11/07/18
Yes, EMC certification is very expensive and different requirements per country. Something we had to do all the way back through XIM3. Even registering for our our own USB PID cost 2000 USD.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 01:28 AM - 11/08/18
Have you considered doing a left handed input device  for the right handed Ximmer now that the G13 is gone, Obs? I have this urge of connecting to this device the moment I saw it. It just has all the perks it needs. I have literally no idea on how to make this device better except get rid of the wire and get the parts out of a a mold. (keys/buttons to be tested)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: R3MiX on 03:12 PM - 11/08/18
That guy actually join our discord to get some input from us. He is looking to designing one that has similarities to a orbweaver/G13. Waiting from him to see what he can come up with.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: OBsIV on 03:16 PM - 11/08/18
Have you considered doing a left handed input device  for the right handed Ximmer now that the G13 is gone, Obs? I have this urge of connecting to this device the moment I saw it. It just has all the perks it needs. I have literally no idea on how to make this device better except get rid of the wire and get the parts out of a a mold. (keys/buttons to be tested)

roads, this was something we considered in the past, but, we are taking things in a different direction. But, I'd be happy to give the creator of this device some pointers if they have any questions about how to go from this to an actual shipping product.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: N1TRO on 03:39 PM - 11/08/18
Could end up being a grest colaberation. This website offers great publicity for the creators target audience and it would be good to have an alalogue device endorsed by xim and o be able to order the product from the xim store.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 11:00 PM - 11/08/18
Thatís a nice gesture Obs, I am sure you have some pitfalls to guide around. If he wants to make this go retail he should absolutely contact you for some valuable tips. Not easy to protect the design from China and the device is all about design.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Gamer4life on 06:31 PM - 11/09/18
Good news for Azeron wired and bad for wireless. Wired will likely work out of the box without flashing, W11ce informs Imants what his firmware has to do and what not. The Apex knows teensy already as I understand.
Bad for wireless is, it cant be sold just like that because of RF laws. It can be done with a lot of paperwork and needs EMC testing and costs thousands of Euros W11ce explained to me.
Again like with the N52te Teensy mod and prototyping something new, there is not enough urge and drive to fund this, we can all play wired after all, its not that we have to pick up the controller or being forced to WASD. The alternative would be a crowdfund, not sure if W11ce would do the work even if the necessary money would be collected. It would make more sense for guys who want to sell a retail product, for example Obsiv if he wants a wireless XIM ID (input device) to go through the validation process. Or Imants if he wants to get his finger towers to be plastic printed instead of 3D-print at home. The best would be  if Obsiv and Imants would team up. Imants has a very clever design and Obsiv has the means to make a finished product and it would fit perfectly into the Xim world.

My device is in the making and is shipped next week.

So is it plug and play out of the box with xim, or do you need to flash the azeron or download something to make it work? I want to buy one it looks great.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: antithesis on 07:55 PM - 11/09/18
So is it plug and play out of the box with xim, or do you need to flash the azeron or download something to make it work? I want to buy one it looks great.
Given it's a Teensy-based device, it may be plug-and-play. If not, W11Ce has Teensy firmware to emulate a Logitech G13 that may slot in nicely on the Azeron. We'll know soon enough.

Worst case scenario - use Xim Link, Titan One, Titan Two or CronusMAX to feed the Azeron from PC through to Xim.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 09:04 PM - 11/09/18
Right and we don't know yet how the buttons play out compared to cherry reds.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Jumpy on 09:44 PM - 11/09/18
I received the Azeron the other day and can confirm it works with the Apex.

Analog mode is plug and play - the xim recognises the buttons as generic controller buttons.

The buttons are very clicky and feel more like mouse buttons than cherry mx red switches.

The analog stick works well but seems to snaps to the forward, back, left, or right directions when you are close.
For example if you press the stick forward and 5 degrees left it will continue straight ahead in game until the angle increases to say 10 degrees. It is definitely analog though.

It also works plugged directly into the Titan 2 without going through a PC.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 09:54 PM - 11/09/18
So you ordered weeks ago and did not tell us about this awesome device? Shame on you  :)
So its working out of the box which is nice, clicky buttons is awesome also. Do they make a lot of sound?
The stick behaving strangely is code. W11ce will be able to fix that.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: antithesis on 10:07 PM - 11/09/18
I received the Azeron the other day and can confirm it works with the Apex.

Analog mode is plug and play - the xim recognises the buttons as generic controller buttons.

The buttons are very clicky and feel more like mouse buttons than cherry mx red switches.

The analog stick works well but seems to snaps to the forward, back, left, or right directions when you are close.
For example if you press the stick forward and 5 degrees left it will continue straight ahead in game until the angle increases to say 10 degrees. It is definitely analog though.

It also works plugged directly into the Titan 2 without going through a PC.
Brilliant! Thanks for the info  ;D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Balor1712 on 10:40 PM - 11/09/18
So you ordered weeks ago and did not tell us about this awesome device? Shame on you  :)
So its working out of the box which is nice, clicky buttons is awesome also. Do they make a lot of sound?
The stick behaving strangely is code. W11ce will be able to fix that.

Would W11ce be able to fix the stick via a firmware update I assume?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 01:50 AM - 11/10/18
He just has to send his stick settings from the code to him I guess.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Gamer4life on 05:16 AM - 11/10/18
I received the Azeron the other day and can confirm it works with the Apex.

Analog mode is plug and play - the xim recognises the buttons as generic controller buttons.

The buttons are very clicky and feel more like mouse buttons than cherry mx red switches.

The analog stick works well but seems to snaps to the forward, back, left, or right directions when you are close.
For example if you press the stick forward and 5 degrees left it will continue straight ahead in game until the angle increases to say 10 degrees. It is definitely analog though.

It also works plugged directly into the Titan 2 without going through a PC.

Awesome, thanks for the confirmation Jumpy and thanks for your reply as well roads.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 06:39 AM - 11/10/18
Jumpy give some review plz.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Au1d Yin on 06:57 AM - 11/10/18
I received the Azeron the other day and can confirm it works with the Apex.

Analog mode is plug and play - the xim recognises the buttons as generic controller buttons.

The buttons are very clicky and feel more like mouse buttons than cherry mx red switches.

The analog stick works well but seems to snaps to the forward, back, left, or right directions when you are close.
For example if you press the stick forward and 5 degrees left it will continue straight ahead in game until the angle increases to say 10 degrees. It is definitely analog though.

It also works plugged directly into the Titan 2 without going through a PC.

Welcome to the forums Jumpy ..... that's  a real nice first post   8)
Edit: Been thinking about what you said about the stick, and might that not be such a bad thing, well maybe in certain situations?
I know that when I'm scrolling through Xbox menus with my controller stick, a lot of the time I end up accidentally moving to the menu below the one I'm trying to view because I'm not keeping the analogue stick moving in a perfectly straight line ... I think I'm going straight but it's easy to wander off.So for in game things like moving along narrow ledges with a big drop, or running across logs and planks and stuff ... might that analogue stick setup help?

 
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 08:36 AM - 11/10/18
I had this with W11ces Teensies and the N52te, I think it was the deadzones or something like that in the code. Peanuts.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Jumpy on 08:13 AM - 11/11/18
The angle snapping could be useful in some circumstances but I found it a hindrance in BO4. It defeats the purpose of analog movement and makes it difficult to make small adjustments.

Analog stick aside, the Azeron has been very good and will be my input of choice going forward over others I've tried  (standard keyboards, Wooting One, Grifta, Joycon, Sony Nav). Once setup, it became intuitive within a day and I can comfortably move, aim, and press four other buttons simultaneously. I found the upper 6 buttons were not useful for anything but menus as they are difficult to reach quickly.

The buttons essentially feel and sound like very light mouse clicks. The analog stick is slightly stiffer than an Xbox One controller.

The build is sturdy although the finish is distinctly 3D printed (a slight negative).

Below is a brief tutorial to fix the analog stick for anyone who buys one. I opened up the Azeron and checked which buttons are wired to which pins then borrowed/adapted the Teensy code from here:
https://community.xim.tech/index.php?topic=49710.0

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int axelX;
int axelY;

int overVal = 128;

void setup()
{
  Joystick.useManualSend(true);
  pinMode(0, INPUT_PULLUP);
  pinMode(1, INPUT_PULLUP);
  pinMode(2, INPUT_PULLUP);
  pinMode(3, INPUT_PULLUP);
  pinMode(4, INPUT_PULLUP);
  pinMode(5, INPUT_PULLUP);
  //6 - Not used
  //7 - Not used
  pinMode(8, INPUT_PULLUP);
  pinMode(9, INPUT_PULLUP);
  pinMode(10, INPUT_PULLUP);
  pinMode(11, INPUT_PULLUP);
  pinMode(12, INPUT_PULLUP);
  //13 - Mode switch
  //14 - Mode switch
  //15 - LED
  //16 - LED
  //17 - Not used
  pinMode(18, INPUT_PULLUP);
  pinMode(19, INPUT_PULLUP);
  pinMode(20, INPUT_PULLUP);
  pinMode(21, INPUT_PULLUP);
  pinMode(22, INPUT_PULLUP);
  pinMode(23, INPUT_PULLUP);
  pinMode(24, INPUT_PULLUP);
  pinMode(25, INPUT_PULLUP);
  pinMode(26, INPUT_PULLUP);
  pinMode(27, INPUT_PULLUP);
  //28 - Not used
  //29 - Not used
  //30 - Not used
  //31 - Not used
  //32 - Not used
  //33 - Not used
  //34 - Not used
  //35 - Not used
  //36 - Not used
  //37 - Not used
  pinMode(38, INPUT_PULLUP);
  //39 - Stick X
  //40 - Stick Y
  //41 - LED brightness
  //42 - Not used
  //43 - Not used
  //44 - Not used
  //45 - Not used
}
void loop() {
    Joystick.button(1, !digitalRead(0));
    Joystick.button(2, !digitalRead(1));
    Joystick.button(3, !digitalRead(2));
    Joystick.button(4, !digitalRead(3));
    Joystick.button(5, !digitalRead(4));
    Joystick.button(6, !digitalRead(5));
   
    Joystick.button(7, !digitalRead(8));
    Joystick.button(8, !digitalRead(9));
    Joystick.button(9, !digitalRead(10));
    Joystick.button(10, !digitalRead(11));
    Joystick.button(11, !digitalRead(12));
   
    Joystick.button(12, !digitalRead(18));
    Joystick.button(13, !digitalRead(19));
    Joystick.button(14, !digitalRead(20));
    Joystick.button(15, !digitalRead(21));
    Joystick.button(16, !digitalRead(22));
    Joystick.button(17, !digitalRead(23));
    Joystick.button(18, !digitalRead(24));
    Joystick.button(19, !digitalRead(25));
    Joystick.button(20, !digitalRead(26));
    Joystick.button(21, !digitalRead(27));
   
    Joystick.button(22, !digitalRead(38));

    //Joystick (pins 39 and 40)
    axelX = map(analogRead(40), 1023, 0, 1023+overVal, 0-overVal);
    axelX = constrain(axelX, 0, 1023);
    axelY = map(analogRead(39), 0, 1023, 1023+overVal, 0-overVal);
    axelY = constrain(axelY, 0, 1023);

    Joystick.X(axelX);
    Joystick.Y(axelY);
 
    Joystick.Z(512);
    Joystick.Zrotate(512);
    Joystick.sliderLeft(0);
    Joystick.sliderRight(0);
    Joystick.hat(-1);

    Joystick.send_now();
    //delay (50);
}

Im not sure what exactly "overVal" does and if it should be changed. I left it as is.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 08:22 AM - 11/11/18
Good find :) ya thatís W11ces code
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Au1d Yin on 09:05 AM - 11/11/18
Thanks for the step by step tutorial Jumpy ... well explained and it's much appreciated :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Balor1712 on 10:16 AM - 11/11/18
Thanks, Jumpy. I would have been lost trying to fix it without this tutorial.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: antithesis on 03:55 PM - 11/11/18
Thanks, Jumpy. I would have been lost trying to fix it without this tutorial.
So it fixed the analog stick movement? That part wasn't confirmed in jumpy's post.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Jumpy on 05:48 PM - 11/11/18
Thanks, Jumpy. I would have been lost trying to fix it without this tutorial.
So it fixed the analog stick movement? That part wasn't confirmed in jumpy's post.

Yes works perfectly now.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 03:02 AM - 11/12/18
how do you like how it works?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Redrabbit5 on 04:54 PM - 11/12/18
So this worth the price ? I m in Europe so price seems affordable , but what about button activation ? Is like a soft mechanic button press ? Seems need just a touch , and unfortunally there is few video on web really short  :(
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 01:18 PM - 11/13/18
Dunno I think the Azeron killed Jumpy, he is gone.  W11ces and mine are on the way, will take a week or two.
Imants wrote me that W11ce teensy code is built in and the Azeron should work oob with our beloved XIMs in Joystick mode which is kept active until the button is pressed again even if unplugged.

Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Balor1712 on 02:47 PM - 11/13/18
Mine is due sometime in December I believe. Iím excited to try it out.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: antithesis on 03:07 PM - 11/13/18
Mine is due sometime in December I believe. I’m excited to try it out.
Mine too.

I'm giddy for the Azeron, it literally feels like an early Xmas present. I buy a lot of gaming toys and haven't been this excited for a new product since I picked up my first Xim.

Imants wrote me that W11ce teensy code is built in and the Azeron should work oob with our beloved XIMs in Joystick mode which is kept active until the button is pressed again even if unplugged.
Great! I'm glad the Xim community could help to improve his product :)

[update] My Azeron has shipped already, I wasn't expecting it until mid-December.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 01:37 AM - 11/14/18
Will be the first device I can set all actions to left hand device without moving fingers away and use mouse only to aim and the left and right mouse and maybe the scroll. Thrilled to try out.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Au1d Yin on 05:54 AM - 11/14/18
Dunno I think the Azeron killed Jumpy, he is gone.  W11ces and mine are on the way, will take a week or two.
Imants wrote me that W11ce teensy code is built in and the Azeron should work oob with our beloved XIMs in Joystick mode which is kept active until the button is pressed again even if unplugged.

Mine has been sent as well ... so did Imants have a conversation with W11ce about the teensy code ... good to know that it's built in :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 06:47 AM - 11/14/18
Dunno if they talked, I have connected them, after that its up to them. Maybe he just took the code from the forums that w11ce posted long ago.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: antithesis on 04:01 PM - 11/14/18
Will be the first device I can set all actions to left hand device without moving fingers away and use mouse only to aim and the left and right mouse and maybe the scroll. Thrilled to try out.
As an accursed left-hander, I'm used to only having access to left, right, middle, scrollup, scrolldown and the DPI button behind the wheel on a Logitech mouse. I'd love to access a thumb button on the right-side of the mouse, but it's not to be (at least for my preferred brand, grip and mouse size).

I don't use middle click at all (risk of triggering scrollup or down), and bind L1+R1 to the DPI button, so it's only L/R, U/D most of the time. This helps me to focus on what I'm supposed to do with a mouse, which is planting metal in craniums :)

The only action I'm not 100% happy with is Melee, which I'll usually bind to scrollup (alternately scrollup is Reload). But that requires time to lift the index finger to the scrollwheel, which isn't ideal as it means there's a short delay between Shooting and Melee. I haven't found a clean binding on a kb for Melee either, so I'm really looking forward to Azeron solving that problem.

This is also the first time in 40 years of gaming that I'll have access to an analog thumbstick on a kb. That opens up all sorts of bindings I haven't begun to comprehend. I don't know if or how I'm going to break the WASD habit, but it's nice to have both options.

Dunno if they talked, I have connected them, after that its up to them. Maybe he just took the code from the forums that w11ce posted long ago.
Imants wrote in his email response "As well we did get code from W11CE and put it in in joystick mode, so will work with XIM out of the box." So that's a yes :) Nice to know it'll be plug-and-play on Xim.

In all honesty, Azeron is the biggest change to how I interface with a game since I picked up a mouse or controller, or laid fingers on a kb. I don't care if it's more or less an alpha product, the options it brings to the table as a left-handed gamer are mind-blowing.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Gamer4life on 08:48 PM - 11/14/18
Iím a little confused as to what the current status of the azeron analog stick is. From what I understand itís plug and play. However will I need to go go through the same steps that jumpy had to go through( I donít know anything about teensy). Or is it already there through some software engine download or something?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: antithesis on 10:48 PM - 11/14/18
Iím a little confused as to what the current status of the azeron analog stick is. From what I understand itís plug and play. However will I need to go go through the same steps that jumpy had to go through( I donít know anything about teensy). Or is it already there through some software engine download or something?
Itís now part of the Azeron firmware. If you donít yet have one in your hands, there are no hoops to jump through.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 10:55 PM - 11/14/18
No one tested his new firmware yet as Imants (the maker), believe it or not, yes, he has no xim. But he is confident it works ootb.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Balor1712 on 11:25 PM - 11/14/18
Wait, we donít have to do what Jumpy did for the analog stick fix?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: antithesis on 11:28 PM - 11/14/18
Wait, we donít have to do what Jumpy did for the analog stick fix?
Not if your Azeron hasn't shipped yet. Mine shipped a couple of days ago and Imants included W11cE's code.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 11:47 PM - 11/14/18
Maybe W11ce can do us some macros on that thing like record button presses. That would be nasty.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 12:07 AM - 11/15/18
I asked Imants for button record  and set to a key.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Gamer4life on 06:13 AM - 11/15/18
Iím a little confused as to what the current status of the azeron analog stick is. From what I understand itís plug and play. However will I need to go go through the same steps that jumpy had to go through( I donít know anything about teensy). Or is it already there through some software engine download or something?
Itís now part of the Azeron firmware. If you donít yet have one in your hands, there are no hoops to jump through.

Excellent, thank you. Paydays next week glad I had to wait.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 06:54 AM - 11/15/18
button record not easily possible, so itís a NO.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Balor1712 on 07:01 AM - 11/15/18
What is button record?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 07:41 AM - 11/15/18
record keystrokes like Logitech software can do.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: etrigan on 07:13 AM - 11/16/18
Is that 3d printed ABS?

Curious about the durability.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Jumpy on 09:12 AM - 11/16/18
Is that 3d printed ABS?

Curious about the durability.

I think its PLA so there could be some issues at >50įC, but it seems fine so far in normal use.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Au1d Yin on 06:31 AM - 11/17/18
Well I got an unexpected surprise from the postman this morning ... my Azeron arrived  ;D


I'm probably one of the oldest guys on this forum, and I've got drawers full of gaming gear, but when I opened the box and started setting this up for comfort I got such a buzz ... I felt like a kid at xmas! I'm really looking forward to getting used to this style of playing.

Also it doesn't feel as "homemade" as I thought it might do .. feels solid.I think if I were able to make one for personal use I would "do away" with the pinky switches and have a rest there for my little finger, with maybe a pull switch ... just for personal comfort ... because this has more switches than I'll ever need :D
Oh, and I've not plugged it in yet lol ... still eating my breakfast !
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 07:26 AM - 11/17/18
Yeah just hurry lol
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Au1d Yin on 08:15 AM - 11/17/18
Yeah just hurry lol
Gulp Gulp ... chokes on his porridge lol.
All is well  :) ... stick movement feels just right and the switches are showing as joystick buttons  ;D

Thought you would have got yours before me roads, as you are nearer to Latvia than me in the UK  .. thanks to W11ce ... and you for giving him a nudge  ... and especially to Imants for his good work!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Au1d Yin on 08:27 AM - 11/17/18
Still playing about with this but these forward press switches are genius !!!
They are working really well in my "The Division" profile for switching shoulder when aiming, and scope zoom.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 08:38 AM - 11/17/18
So switches are great? So in Divison, never played, you aim down with left index backwards and you modify aim with index right and forward? Is down also a switch? So index finger has 4 switches + tower???
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 01:56 PM - 11/17/18
I think Au1d Yin has also been eaten by Azeron. RIP Au1d Yin.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Geno782 on 01:59 PM - 11/17/18
Looks like my Christmas list just got a little longer, Santa :D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Au1d Yin on 03:36 PM - 11/17/18
I think Au1d Yin has also been eaten by Azeron. RIP Au1d Yin.

Lol .... at my age R.I.P. is entirely possible ;)
I actually typed a response earlier and by the time the "I am not a robot" verification finished ... my sign in had timed out.
Was just saying that "The Division" has a change left or right shoulder mode ( click left controller stick) when aiming round corners of buildings. I used to use mouse back for this, but the Azeron fingertip  flick forward to the front switch is really really good for this type of action.
Still on the learning curve though and I'm hitting the wrong switches quite often with them being clustered the way they are. I thought I had it set up just right with the spacing, but I'm making little adjustments backwards and forwards here and there.
One thing I'm going to have to do is build up the palm rest ... it's impossible for Imants to make something that fits every hand ... mine are BIG!
Every gamepad that I've had has seen me add some mouldable plastic on top until I get it feeling just right for comfort .. did this with the N52/ Orbweaver and the G13. Once I get my hand height just right for hovering over the switches this will feel great; at the moment the angle my hand is resting at is making me hit some of the switches accidentally.It is PLA plastic so I hope I don't melt the Azeron with my hot Polydoh plastic lol!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 04:18 PM - 11/17/18
Good lord did you get the epinephrine intracardialy like in every movie?
I there a button down? Bottom of keyflower is that a switch for each finger?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Au1d Yin on 08:18 PM - 11/17/18
Good lord did you get the epinephrine intracardialy like in every movie?
I there a button down? Bottom of keyflower is that a switch for each finger?
Well i just tried google translate and I'm none the wiser lol :)

In the gallery pictures on the Azeron site every coloured tab that you see on the gamepad is a switch, so at the base of the arms/stalks your fingertip has 3 switches ... down/push and pull, and the index finger has an extra switch to the right of the finger. Then there is the upper level with the row of less easily accessible switches and two more above that on the right side that face downward.

There is no way I'll need all those switches ... I'm just using the 3 sets of 3 switches from the ring to the index finger, and the little button above the analogue stick. I've not used the switch next to the analogue stick that you would hit with your thumb nail yet ...  it looks  really useful ... I've just been playing with the fingers in the 3 sets of switches trying to get  used to the different style of control.


Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 03:10 AM - 11/18/18
Well boys and girls, you just overtook PC Sale Numbers  Imants tells me LOL

Question to Obsiv: can one XIM port do it all, meaning mouse+keyboard+left joystick on one USB port? I ask because I would like to ask Imants to set right stick behavior on the analog stick by pressing a button. This would make turnwheels or when there is no movement necessary work great. I am just not sure if possible to transmit right joystick on two ports (mouse + Azeron analog)

Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: sncjez on 05:28 AM - 11/18/18
Well boys and girls, you just overtook PC Sale Numbers  Imants tells me LOL

Patiently waiting  ;)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: roads on 05:30 AM - 11/18/18
W11ce said no problem to send right stick movements so soon wheel-menus with left stick on Azeron when pressing a "shift" button on the Azeron. Thats nice, right?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: PinnieTHEwooH on 05:58 AM - 11/18/18
Oh Dudes, you got to stop. I ordered mine a week ago and said to be shipped by 20 December. I'm getting to anxious about this gadget and can't wait for it. I broke mine old keyboard and had to get a cheapo to be able to play.
 Would be nice to get some videos from Jumpy and others who already got it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 06:04 AM - 11/18/18
 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/337153283
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: sncjez on 06:28 AM - 11/18/18
Nice link roads.

He has good talk about it whilst gaming in this one.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/337431979
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 06:35 AM - 11/18/18
Got if from Imants.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 06:40 AM - 11/18/18
Is that Au1d Yin? He has pink switches.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 07:31 AM - 11/18/18
Au1d Yin had orange one
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 07:39 AM - 11/18/18
Au1d Yin had orange one

My secret is out lol. .... Hi Imants, good to see you here ... welcome to the forums :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 07:52 AM - 11/18/18
Is that Au1d Yin? He has pink switches.
When I said the Pinky switch ... I was talking about the switch for my little finger ;D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 08:23 AM - 11/18/18
Hehey nice you are here Imants welcome. Hope you will get a console and a XIM so you understand XIM problems like wheel menu better.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ceebs on 06:32 AM - 11/19/18
Au1d Yin had orange one
Welcome to the forum. Always good to see developers joining in.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 06:39 AM - 11/19/18
Au1d Yin had orange one
Welcome to the forum Imants! You'll find a good home here :D

Is that Au1d Yin? He has pink switches.
I ordered Magenta.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 07:58 AM - 11/19/18
So you ordered Magenta but you got Orange. Man...
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 08:23 AM - 11/19/18
So you ordered Magenta but you got Orange. Man...
No, I haven't got mine yet. Au1d Yin got orange.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ceebs on 11:17 AM - 11/19/18
I got red.
I like red.

8)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: PinnieTHEwooH on 11:19 AM - 11/19/18
Magenta, perfect Christmas gift for myself.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 01:01 PM - 11/19/18
special edition LOL

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36261578/Azeron2018jan.11.png)

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36261577/Azeron2018jan.12.png)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box soon
Post by: Balor1712 on 01:04 PM - 11/19/18
W11ce said no problem to send right stick movements so soon wheel-menus with left stick on Azeron when pressing a "shift" button on the Azeron. Thats nice, right?

That is insanely nice haha. I am playing BFV right now. I canít be squad leader. It is a wheel menu IN a wheel menu to designate objectives.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Gamer4life on 01:31 PM - 11/19/18
Just ordered mine today. I canít wait to try this on PUBG!!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 02:33 PM - 11/19/18
It takes a wee bit of time changing from the way your fingers have been accustomed to working the keyboard and switching to this layout, but I'm getting used to it quite quickly.
At first it felt like I would master it in no time, but in a big firefight my fingers would try to reach for keys that I was accustomed to pressing, and I'd end up blowing myself up with my own grenades lol!The thumb switch at the analogue stick that you can activate with your thumbnail is a joy to use ... brilliant!

Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 02:39 PM - 11/19/18
what do you use that thumbnail for? Post your config with an Azeron image like I started ten years ago lol.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 02:56 PM - 11/19/18
Using the thumb switch for grenades now. I had them set up to use with the middle finger forward switch, but that finger is a bit stiff and I was hitting it accidentally too many times. (KABOOM!)

The thumb nail switch can be adjusted so you hardly have to move your thumb ... great to use ... nice one Imants :)
Oh and I have built up the palm rest to suit my hand size, put some Black Polydoh on and it fits like a glove now .... can't send it back now lol!

 
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jamesbone on 05:12 PM - 11/19/18
Using the thumb switch for grenades now. I had them set up to use with the middle finger forward switch, but that finger is a bit stiff and I was hitting it accidentally too many times. (KABOOM!)

The thumb nail switch can be adjusted so you hardly have to move your thumb ... great to use ... nice one Imants :)
Oh and I have built up the palm rest to suit my hand size, put some Black Polydoh on and it fits like a glove now .... can't send it back now lol!

Curious which key are you using to jump?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 05:15 PM - 11/19/18
Curious which key are you using to jump?
That's a good question, I always use my thumb to jump. This thing's going to mess with my mojo, but it'll be worth it in the end  ;D

I'm also wondering if the analog stick can behave digitally so I can use the thumbstick as a d-pad. I can manipulate that using a Titan script, but on-board is preferable.

I'm looking forward to seeing what W11Ce can pull off with the Shift function for wheel menus. The Azeron has so much potential bubbling under the surface, I can't wait to start playing with it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 06:06 PM - 11/19/18
I always have scroll back on my mouse assigned to jump and also a secondary on my gamepads.Been using analogue movement for a while now so it's ages since I did a space bar jump.
You have 4 extra keys to play about with now so it's what will suit you best; I'm playing The Division and it's not a jumping game, but I think the little finger pull back switch feels like it might lend itself to the same kind of instinctive feel you get from using the space bar.
I've only been using the switches for the index/middle and ring fingers, but I'll have a play about with the pinky switch tomorrow to see how it feels for jumping.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 06:27 PM - 11/19/18
I'm also wondering if the analog stick can behave digitally so I can use the thumbstick as a d-pad. I can manipulate that using a Titan script, but on-board is preferable.

Short answer is yes, in next couple days we will upload new version on our software, in  joystick mode it will work with a w11ce code and in keyboard mode analog stick will act like buttons(wasd). You can even mix joystick mode with a keyboard, like analog stick+keyboard buttons or analog stick are WASD and buttons are joystick or any other combinations.
As well can change analog stick direction angle from -45 to+45, to find most conformable for You.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 06:30 PM - 11/19/18
Brilliant, thank you!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 06:47 PM - 11/19/18
Just tried assigning buttons in keyboard mode.
So in xim manager if you were to use the Azerons 3 main finger press down switches and the middle finger pull back switch for movement instead of it showing as "WASD" it shows "K3, K2, K4, F" and  your character moves in keyboard mode same as WASD.
If you assign ingame buttons to the "analogue" stick when the Azeron is in keyboard mode they will show as "W,A,S,D" ... so I assigned the controller d-pad on the stick and it works.
So it will work in keyboard mode with stick for digital movement or if you wanted you could use the key switches for movement ... don't know why you would, but it works.

That's the beauty of the Xim ... it doesn't matter what the buttons are named ... just assign them to a controller function and off you go.  ;D
You can go forwards with the "A" on the Azeron stick and sideways with the Azeron finger switches if that floats your boat LOL !
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 07:22 PM - 11/19/18
So I had a play about with using the pinky pull back switch for jumping, and "I" think that it feels natural and instinctive if you are using the thumbstick for movement.
It's like a mirror image of using WASD fingers for movement and your thumb for jumping ?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 08:43 PM - 11/19/18
I use my pinky for Circle (Crouch, Cancel, Build etc). I'll have to think about where to rebind Jump if using the stick for movement rather than WASD, possibly middle finger.

Realistically, I'll probably fall back to WASD on the buttons, use the stick for d-pad and the thumb button for jump. It's nice to have both options :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: YOUDID on 08:48 PM - 11/19/18
Does the analog stick have a click down button?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 08:52 PM - 11/19/18
Does the analog stick have a click down button?
Good question. I doubt it, but confirmation would be handy.
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Post by: Azeron on 08:54 PM - 11/19/18
I found that for me best place for jumping are mouse forward button. And still on my thumb  ;D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 08:58 PM - 11/19/18
Does the analog stick have a click down button?
Yes it have, but I don't really recommend use it a lot, as it need lot tension to press it and, that not really good for construction.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 08:58 PM - 11/19/18
I found that for me best place for jumping are mouse forward button. And still on my thumb  ;D
Unfortunately, I'm left-handed and there aren't many mice with right-side buttons. They exist (e.g Zowie, Logitech G Pro wireless), but I far prefer a G Pro for my hand size and grip. G Pro has an ambidextrous shell but left-side buttons only :/


I'm sure I'll work out a solution, that's part of the fun :D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: YOUDID on 10:08 PM - 11/19/18
Does the analog stick have a click down button?
Yes it have, but I don't really recommend use it a lot, as it need lot tension to press it and, that not really good for construction.

Thanks man,

I will be ordering one in the couple of weeks.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:53 PM - 11/19/18
I got used to shooting and ads with left hand, I can not keep my hand steady if I put pressure on right index finger. My aim got better a lot. I still suck as I play seldomly but its not my aim. So left hand its on the N52te just where the fingers fall. Tried a lot changing the action placements but came back to this all the time. Its based on how often I use the command. Would never put crouch on pinky for example. It gets the most seldom, meele.

N52te:

index shoot
middle ads
ring jump
pinky meele

mouse left - crouch
mouse right - run
mouse wheel - weapon change
mouse  wheel down - nothing - hate it, too hard to press
mouse forward - grenade
mouse back - reload

thumb button - activate axilliaryXim config when hold
index - cross right
middle - cross up
ring - cross left
pinky - cross down

There are no more actions I can set without leaving the fingers in place. So mouse is loaded on N52te.

On Azeron I will pull all actions left and the mouse will be aim only. I guess I can reduce G pro wireless to or even under 70g like that. Or I will leave them A left mouse B right mouse X backwards Y forwards scroll shoulder buttons. So I can use them well in menus and in games that say press A. Now where the hell was A on the azeron in this specific game? On the mouse I know!

Azeron:

(if "to me" is the most comfy movement)
index to me - shoot
middle to me - ads
ring to me - jump
pinky to me - meele

index nail cross - right
middle nail - cross up
ring nail - cross left
pinky nail - cross left

index down press - reload (as no shooting when empty mag)
middle down press - grenade (as no grenade in ads)
ring  down press - crouch (no crouch when jump and same finger) likely will swich with jump key)
pinky down press - run (likely switch with meele)

likely run on index right as normally no shooting intended when starting to run and used really often
maybe move crosshair a row upwards so really often used actions can go indes and middle forward as most easy to use fingers.

Towers next row will be Xbox buttons
Upper towers facing down maybe XIM next config previous config
Button over analog maybe game that i play atm XIM config

probably best for change weapons is - index right
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 11:56 PM - 11/19/18
Question to those already using it, hate you all, which is the easiest and most relaxed button press down or the one facing you? Down or pull? My guess is down?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 01:28 AM - 11/20/18
Well well well what about using a pen for aiming? OSU players use them and they are not so bad. This fella is quite slow imho LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDml18Zoeis

what pens are supported on XIM? I mean for sure none but which work?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 02:26 AM - 11/20/18
Ordered a Wacom PTH451ENES Intuos Pro Small  as read that some plugged it and it worked and Obsiv liked it. Azeron is first device that can be used with aim only device in right hand IMHO.

Obs:
Quote
I'm always interested in developing new input methods and the one proto I made based on a Wacom tablet was amazing. The resolution on these tablets is incredibly high -- if you can unlock it by direct access to the driver. It took awhile but I got through to someone at Wacom and got a code sample which looked like it was written a couple of decades ago. I had to rewrite most of it but did make it work. I did everything through XIM's Commander interface so Wacom was plugged into a PC. Aiming was done by hovering over the tablet. It was very precise and fluid. Very easy and intuitive to aim because you are using a hand pose and grip designed for precision. Of course, severe lack of buttons is what killed any practical application of this and I didn't have time to look into it further. A foot board would help there as you are doing. I'd be happy to share the code I wrote with you if that will help.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 05:06 AM - 11/20/18
Ermagheeeeeeerd its here and it looks great and the switches feel great. A bit long to press but great. Torx is a T6 btw. Should be easier to set with real screwdriver.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 05:18 AM - 11/20/18
Amazing for running just place the thumb arm button so you can press it when pegged fully to the front while keeping it pegged. This thing is adjustable EVERYTHING!
I have a 7.5 glove size surgically which is average. Big hands will not fit. I am at maximum length to fit. Imants you need to make a longer one with longer fingers you hit the middle tower before you can hit the upper.
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Post by: Azeron on 06:11 AM - 11/20/18
That is interesting, as I have size 8 (20cm)  hands and I don't have towers on max. We did test it on peoples with hand size 22cm (size 9) hands and din't have a issue, but overall, sure, it is possible to make longer.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 08:40 AM - 11/20/18
I have 19cm  and still thumb Index, ring and pinky are maxed out to fit. The reason is fully slide into the palm rest. I want to have full contact to it not only the metacarpals. Also all fingers are maxed out to the right. Its fine like that but there is no adjustment room there for me. I mean we are talking minor adjustments here on a near perfect device.

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36262498/IMG_6230.jpg)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 08:49 AM - 11/20/18
Oh and you all remember the old traumatologists saying: when tightening a screw, after very strong comes very loose.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 09:07 AM - 11/20/18
My hands are big and for the 1st day or so I felt that I had to have the arms at full extension. Since I built up the palm rest height to get my fingertips hovering over the switches in a natural feeling posture I now have them all at almost minimum apart from the pinky.

One thing that would have made the Azeron even better than it is already is for me would be that .. if the main(lower) forward facing switches had been set back just a little (maybe 5mm ?) it would make reaching the upper switches easier to hit without brushing  the finger against the lower switch. The way my grip is set means that I have to pivot my palm before extending the finger up so I dont hit the lower switch.

That said there are lots of switches with easy access and I don't use the upper ones much. For me personally my index finger is the most agile and if that one tower had the lower front switch set back a little I would use those 2 upper switches on the index finger tower a lot.
So having said that, it is in no way a criticism ... I love this gamepad and I'm thinking how it would be a better fit for me if I were able to make one myself to suit my hand.

Edit ... Just to be clear, in case I didn't explain it very well .. what I meant about the index finger tower was not to give it a longer slide in and out adjustment; but to remove the location of the lower switch from where it sits now and set it back a "wee" bit from where it sits now.
I can see that this would be difficult to do because, in order to leave the upper switches in the same position the actual design of the index finger tower would have to be changed, as there is no way to move it back a bit on the tower as it is.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 09:16 AM - 11/20/18
right brushing the lower tower key is a thing but not horrible as I dont press it. But many people have almost same length pinky as middle others have long middle finger. So the index needs to be 10.5cm also like the middle, The ringfinger starts more indie the device so must also be 10.5cm. Pinky needs to be 9.5cm.
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Post by: roads on 09:17 AM - 11/20/18
I dont think Azeron takes this personally, he will perfect the device with our input. Like Obsiv did his.
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Post by: roads on 09:35 AM - 11/20/18
The led on the right side is much much too bright. Can it be adjusted or turned off?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 09:51 AM - 11/20/18
The led on the right side is much much too bright. Can it be adjusted or turned off?
It's on the picture in your 1st post.
I thought it was too bright but I didn't turn it down as I've never once noticed it when gaming.
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Post by: roads on 09:54 AM - 11/20/18
nah you cant turn them off on the device. Edit: my bad, its at the bottom.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 10:13 AM - 11/20/18
YES THEY DOOOOOO  ;)
Look at the photograph in your 1st post on this topic and stick a small crosshead screwdriver in the hole where it says " adjust led brightness" and turn ... they go off ... honest :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 10:26 AM - 11/20/18
One thing that would have made the Azeron even better than it is already is for me would be that .. if the main(lower) forward facing switches had been set back just a little (maybe 5mm ?) it would make reaching the upper switches easier to hit without brushing  the finger against the lower switch.
I will make some changes and do some testing with that,  if that will be better I will make it like that, but that will no earlier as in next version.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 10:32 AM - 11/20/18
One thing that would have made the Azeron even better than it is already is for me would be that .. if the main(lower) forward facing switches had been set back just a little (maybe 5mm ?) it would make reaching the upper switches easier to hit without brushing  the finger against the lower switch.
I will make some changes and do some testing with that,  if that will be better I will make it like that, but that will no earlier as in next version.

Good to know ... thanks.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:34 AM - 11/20/18
Dont think that’s a good idea they are tiny bit too close on the index but ok. If they are more far ayway iI cant reach them with the ring and pinky.

Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 10:48 AM - 11/20/18
So that why You need adjust tower angle, to make them in front of Your fingers, this situation is because all Your towers are moved on right side.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 10:48 AM - 11/20/18
Dont think thatís a good idea they are tiny bit too close on the index but ok. If they are more far ayway iI cant reach them with the ring and pinky. What is not perfect is the inclination of the finger towers. The hand is inclined to the left on the palm plate. extending the fingers from there makes them go more left and not straight up. Might be not so nice for design but its not the correct position for the tower buttons. I hit the border of the, the left border.

I'm only talking about the towers for the index and middle finger, but mainly the index finger ... why would you want to access them with the fingers you mention ?I'm not concerned about the 2 left towers, but the middle and index finger towers with the downward facing switches could be used quickly with an upward swipe if there was less chance of brushing against the switches below them.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:53 AM - 11/20/18
Yeah index and middle could be a bit more back Au1d Yin I agree but usable for me as is.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 11:06 AM - 11/20/18
Roads maybe take a bit of time playing and adjusting as you go along?
I've had it set up in what I thought was the ideal position for me, but I've changed the finger angles a few times, and also moved the switches backward and forward from what I thought was good to what is better.

It's a wee bit fiddly getting it right when trying to adjust the angle by just a few mm's when holding it upside down ... but the good thing is that IT IS adjustable.
Now my finger centered placement on the main press down switches is also exactly centered on the upper switches.

Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: chad20 on 11:26 AM - 11/20/18
I didnít see a price on the website. Can someone tell me how much it is? Looks awesome.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 11:29 AM - 11/20/18
100 Euro
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 02:09 PM - 11/20/18
I didnít see a price on the website. Can someone tell me how much it is? Looks awesome.
The shop isn't showing a price as it's now out of stock ... waiting for part delivery.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 02:13 PM - 11/20/18
Ximmers raided shop LOL
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 02:15 PM - 11/20/18
Ximmers raided shop LOL

Yeah ... I saw that one coming and got my order in quick  :D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Gamer4life on 02:30 PM - 11/20/18
Ximmers raided shop LOL

Yeah ... I saw that one coming and got my order in quick  :D

Glad I got my order in then. Imants said there were eight ahead of me and that was yesterday.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 02:46 PM - 11/20/18
Someone from Germany can have one mine. Message me. I mean preferably Germany,
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: sncjez on 02:54 PM - 11/20/18
Mine has just been dispatched well ahead of schedule  8)

Presses to much distance for you roads?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 02:58 PM - 11/20/18
I am not good with those towers the device is awesome however. Its all mouse buttons as I understand. My favorite buttons are the ones you pull as I shoot left it really feels like a trigger mauch better than on a controller.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:15 PM - 11/20/18
Quick question - is it comfortable and/or possible to hit two buttons concurrently with one finger?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 03:18 PM - 11/20/18
Concurrently meaning one then the other? Yeah you can hit 3 buttons in a second 4 withn index, Buttins are super soft mouse klicks. Feels even nicer than cherry reds.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:29 PM - 11/20/18
Concurrently meaning one then the other? Yeah you can hit 3 buttons in a second 4 withn index, Buttins are super soft mouse klicks. Feels even nicer than cherry reds.
Concurrently meaning two buttons at the same time. Like down and forward, or down and back with the same finger.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 03:34 PM - 11/20/18
No the pressure points are opposite to the adjacent button. I tried and its possible but not intended and comfortable.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 06:58 PM - 11/20/18
Someone from Germany can have one mine. Message me. I mean preferably Germany,
I'm guessing that you have two and are parting with one ... not that you only have one and are giving up using it already ??
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jamesbone on 08:08 PM - 11/20/18


Antithesis what is your ship time for us here in AUS, I'm gold coast QLD
I convinced my mrs to get me the gamepad for Christmas LOL
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 09:06 PM - 11/20/18
Antithesis what is your ship time for us here in AUS, I'm gold coast QLD
I convinced my mrs to get me the gamepad for Christmas LOL
I'm just up the road in Brisneyland!

The shipping estimate wasn't until Dec 20, but that was to allow time for back-orders, equipment failure, material supply etc. Once ordered it only took a week to turn around.

My unit shipped on Nov 14 but I've lost sight of it once it left for Australia. Hopefully it'll turn up soon.
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Post by: Jamesbone on 10:37 PM - 11/20/18
Antithesis what is your ship time for us here in AUS, I'm gold coast QLD
I convinced my mrs to get me the gamepad for Christmas LOL
I'm just up the road in Brisneyland!

The shipping estimate wasn't until Dec 20, but that was to allow time for back-orders, equipment failure, material supply etc. Once ordered it only took a week to turn around.

My unit shipped on Nov 14 but I've lost sight of it once it left for Australia. Hopefully it'll turn up soon.

Haha wow small world!

Ok cool thanks for that :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:49 PM - 11/20/18
Someone from Germany can have one mine. Message me. I mean preferably Germany,
I'm guessing that you have two and are parting with one ... not that you only have one and are giving up using it already ??

No not parting with it, it is undoubtedly better than the N52te Teensy mod. Yeah I have two at the moment. He has a return policy but I think it doesnít make sense to send it back when it may already be close to someone.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 11:23 PM - 11/20/18
You guys have to try ads with middle finger and shooting with index finger just for fun. Really feels like a trigger.
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Post by: Jumpy on 12:16 AM - 11/21/18


Antithesis what is your ship time for us here in AUS, I'm gold coast QLD
I convinced my mrs to get me the gamepad for Christmas LOL

Mine took 26 days from first tracking activity to arrival in South Aus.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 08:57 AM - 11/21/18
Button I like most is the pull button, really love it, next the press down and I quite dislike the fingernail one. I just don't like the feel much of using the nails.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 12:35 PM - 11/21/18
Guys, am I alone centering my fingers close to the pull/trigger like buttons? I have my fingers on them all the time and pull the triggers on those. Here is how I use it, my zero resting position.

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36264576/IMG_6238.jpg)

Who is a puller and who is a down pusher like a keyboard key?

Key or trigger?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jamesbone on 01:57 PM - 11/21/18
Guys, am I alone centering my fingers close to the pull/trigger like buttons? I have my fingers on them all the time and pull the triggers on those. Here is how I use it, my zero resting position.

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36264576/IMG_6238.jpg)

Who is a puller and who is a down pusher like a keyboard key?

Key or trigger?

I think i would be maybe both..

Is that another key right of your Index finger?? If so wow that looks useful!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 02:04 PM - 11/21/18
You cant say if you don't have it yet and there can only be one. From my position downwards is not possible without repositioning as thatís where the key begins not where it ends. Same if you are a key presser.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 08:52 PM - 11/21/18
If you're out there Imants  :)
The Azeron comes with a spare convex stick cap, but no info on how to change it from the stock cap.Do you take out all the base adjustment screws that hold the housing in place and then remove some screws on the back of the housing ... if so will the cover come apart easily once the rear screws are removed ... or will I have to "prise" the plastic housing apart with a tool ?
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Post by: Azeron on 02:25 AM - 11/22/18
Need to open adjustment screws for thumbstick,  then from back take of lid with 3 screws and open 3 screws that holding analog stick break out board, change cap and put that all back.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 04:58 AM - 11/22/18
So my review of the Azeron is a solid 9/10. Only Pros no Cons and some things that could be perfected. Had a lot of emailing with Imants. Some stuff he agrees some not so much. As Obsiv would he doesnít know the "roads experience". Feedback is hard to take when you spent hundreds of hours with your "baby". But in the end its precious.

Pros:

- only analog gamepad without modding for Xim
- mouse switches as buttons are very reactive and fast to use. The trigger like pull button is my personal favourite, awesome to use.
- highly adaptive to different hand sizes.
- genius design, well constructed, nothing rattling.
- price tag is really nice for a handmade 3D print with so many parts
- out of the box XIM compatible

suggestions:

- incline the fingerpart, not ergonomic as it is at the moment. N52te is the reference, they inclined it for a reason.
- fingertowers are not really well usable above the first key. Funny but I personally wont use them.
- D-pad would be cool
- Distance to first tower key (fingernail key) from trigger key is too far away because of the bottom button having the same size as the others. Not sure how but adjustability here would be amazing. The genius designer is not me after all.
- Downward button should be rotated 180į as the trigger key is the most intriguing one and you can not just go down and press it from there. You need to leave the key and press downwards more forward.
- palm plate should not have upward looking parts. The palm plate of the N52te (reference) is much more comfy. Overall the N52te you forget using, The Azeron, no not without these tiny modifications. There is a little rock in the shoe here.
- Console and XIM specific menu buttons somewhere
- wireless, hope W11ce will succeed with it.

This device is great for the XIM. You should absolutely get it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 08:12 AM - 11/22/18
Need to open adjustment screws for thumbstick,  then from back take of lid with 3 screws and open 3 screws that holding analog stick break out board, change cap and put that all back.
Thank you
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 08:16 AM - 11/22/18
Guys distance between trigger button and nail button who likes it and who thinks its huge and too big?

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36265545/IMG_6238-1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 08:26 AM - 11/22/18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7UajuYCIyk
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 08:38 AM - 11/22/18
So my review of the Azeron is a solid 9/10. Only Pros no Cons and some things that could be perfected. Had a lot of emailing with Imants. Some stuff he agrees some not so much. As Obsiv would he doesnít know the "roads experience". Feedback is hard to take when you spent hundreds of hours with your "baby". But in the end its precious.

Pros:

- only analog gamepad without modding for Xim
- mouse switches as buttons are very reactive and fast to use. The trigger like pull button is my personal favourite, awesome to use.
- highly adaptive to different hand sizes.
- genius design, well constructed, nothing rattling.
- price tag is really nice for a handmade 3D print with so many parts
- out of the box XIM compatible

suggestions:

- incline the fingerpart, not ergonomic as it is at the moment. N52te is the reference, they inclined it for a reason.
- fingertowers are not really well usable above the first key. Funny but I personally wont use them.
- D-pad would be cool
- Distance to first tower key (fingernail key) from trigger key is too far away because of the bottom button having the same size as the others. Not sure how but adjustability here would be amazing. The genius designer is not me after all.
- Downward button should be rotated 180į as the trigger key is the most intriguing one and you can not just go down and press it from there. You need to leave the key and press downwards more forward.
- palm plate should not have upward looking parts. The palm plate of the N52te (reference) is much more comfy. Overall the N52te you forget using, The Azeron, no not without these tiny modifications. There is a little rock in the shoe here.
- Console and XIM specific menu buttons somewhere
- wireless, hope W11ce will succeed with it.

This device is great for the XIM. You should absolutely get it.

Totally disagree on the idea of rotating the downward press switch 180, I would personally hate that ... it would be MUCH too easy to accidentally hit the pull switch. You hardly have to move your finger much to activate it the way it is at the moment anyway ... just slightly more pressure.
The idea of a D-Pad is something worth considering ... a good d-pad above the index finger would be very useful.

So ... it's highly adjustable, but we are still all not going to have the perfect fit, what suits some wont always suit others .. I think it's "almost" perfect for everybody; apart from that palm plate .. my hand is way too big for that. The upward edges dug into the edge of my hand but I just stuck some melted plastic on top to make my own mould .. bang goes the warranty lol.
I really like this gamepad .. it is a genius design.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 08:44 AM - 11/22/18
Yes I also totally disagree with my rotating idea before. It would make you trigger the down accidentally. The easisest way of making the gap smaller is to print the buttons thicker. First I thought the front one the nail one, now I say the trigger one so down is easier to press.

Yeah the upward facing rims of the palm palate are a bad idea. Look at the N52te, you may be far away from the keys or land on a different row with big and small hands with its only two settings but its super ergonomic. Everyone feels fine on it. The upward rims are useless, I mean you will not glide off of it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 08:46 AM - 11/22/18
The idea of a D-Pad is something worth considering ... a good d-pad above the index finger would be very useful.
We already working on it, first there will be possible to use analog stick as a D-Pad and more, I already testing 5way button on top of thumbstick, can say, that that will be for sure in next version.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 08:54 AM - 11/22/18
Guys distance between trigger button and nail button who likes it and who thinks its huge and too big?

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36265545/IMG_6238-1.jpg)


Geez roads ... will you stop it already lol.

Most players that are used to playing with a standard keyboard are going to find it hard enough to adapt to having their fingertips sitting in a small slot between 3 switches without making the space any smaller, you can forget all about using the upper switches if that were to happen.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 09:26 AM - 11/22/18
LOL small slots cmon....
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 09:54 AM - 11/22/18
Also changed to the convex soft cap, much nicer!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 10:36 AM - 11/22/18
About the distance.
This is why I made it like it is now:
1) This is a gaming device (not typing like Data Hand) and in games often getting pretty hot, especially in PvP, so stress, adrenaline, and easy do some miss-click if buttons will be too close.
2) If we make them closer, that dramatically increases chance to hit that button, while try reach upper tower buttons.
3) And finger size not the same for all people.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 10:42 AM - 11/22/18
- palm plate should not have upward looking parts
That is something I will considered do in future.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:49 AM - 11/22/18
I understand your design is centered around the down switch. Pulling a trigger is just so awesome. So if you just softly lay your fingers on the pull switches, the everything gets too far. I am quite sure many people will center around the pull buttons when they tried.

no up rims on hand plate - awesome.

PS: played some rounds of BF5 yesterday with the trigger buttons: index fire, middle aim down, ring jump and pinky meele. Not once did I hit a button accidentally laying the fingers on the buttons.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 12:24 PM - 11/22/18
About the distance.
This is why I made it like it is now:
1) This is a gaming device (not typing like Data Hand) and in games often getting pretty hot, especially in PvP, so stress, adrenaline, and easy do some miss-click if buttons will be too close.
2) If we make them closer, that dramatically increases chance to hit that button, while try reach upper tower buttons.
3) And finger size not the same for all people.

Exactly what you say ... it's nearly perfect for most players, any closer and it's very easy to miss-click a button.
Also bear in mind that what roads is asking for is for his own personal style of play; I think that the vast majority of gamers that buy the Azeron will be using a mouse to left/right click to fire/ads ... not the pull switches on the Azeron ... fun as it may be, I don't think many will use it that way.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 12:30 PM - 11/22/18
Of course all preference but I found the best way not to miss any buttons is.... wait for it.... not to leave the button. So on the N52te I only used 4 buttons, thatís all. Now with the Azeron there are heaven sent 3 buttons per switch.
When I wrote to Imants, hey distances are too far away he wrote back, not more than hitting another key. And thatís exactly what I don't want to do: leave a key. If I have to swicth keys I can use the N52te,
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 12:40 PM - 11/22/18
Of course all preference but I found the best way not to miss any buttons is.... wait for it.... not to leave the button. So on the N52te I only used 4 buttons, thatís all. Now with the Azeron there are heaven sent 3 buttons per switch.
When I wrote to Imants, hey distances are too far away he wrote back, not more than hitting another key. And thatís exactly what I don't want to do: leave a key. If I have to swicth keys I can use the N52te,

Kind suggestion for roads ... stick some sugru on your switches till you get the distance you want and leave this awesome device the way it is for the rest of us ... don't ask for too much :)  
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 12:50 PM - 11/22/18
Same stuff I heard about the XIM for years Au1d Yin. Don't do boost, no one needs ballistics (hey Technogiant how are things going old mate?) . People fear the device gets worse which it wont. The man likes it how it is. As you say making the button thicker is the easiest method and exactly what I will try tomorrow. There is not much that can be done better with the Azeron as Imants has thought about everything, almost everything. W11ce is so kind to help with the code maybe even make it wireless, I searched for all bad I could find and rubbed it into Imants face no mercy and you can be the guy who doesnít want the change. There always is one.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 12:54 PM - 11/22/18
Same stuff I heard about the XIM for years Au1d Yin. Don't do boost, no one needs ballistics (hey Technogiant how are things going old mate?) . People fear the device gets worse which it wont. The man likes it how it is. As you say making the button thicker is the easiest method and exactly what I will try tomorrow. There is not much that can be done better with the Azeron as Imants has thought about everything, almost everything. W11ce is so kind to help with the code maybe even make it wireless, I searched for all bad I could find and rubbed it into Imants face no mercy and you can be the guy who doesnít want the change. There always is one.
Yep, there's always one ..... and I'm started to worry about you, are you alright?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 12:55 PM - 11/22/18
LOL sure why?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 04:39 PM - 11/22/18
D-pad would be great, but it would preferably be near the thumb.

Perhaps some analog switches \ we can use for ADS, Shoot, Accelerator, Brake etc. There's a disabled community out there that could use a device like this.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: MattyAu on 05:11 PM - 11/22/18
What are we paying for these delivered to Aus?
Just went to check, but no stock available atm.

Still waiting for the Xim wand to be released...  :P
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 05:29 PM - 11/22/18
What are we paying for these delivered to Aus?
Just went to check, but no stock available atm.

Still waiting for the Xim wand to be released...
It cost me $202 AUD, inc GST and shipping of $38.

You'll be waiting a long time for a Xim wand ;)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 06:51 PM - 11/22/18
Need to open adjustment screws for thumbstick,  then from back take of lid with 3 screws and open 3 screws that holding analog stick break out board, change cap and put that all back.
Thank you

Changed the cap over and it's made a nice difference to the way it feels; have been making small adjustments here and there and now it's all set up just right :)


If you are revising your build for the next version, have you ever thought about replacing the pivot bolt on the fingers with a slot the same as the adjustment bolt has? So 2 adjusting slots instead of 1, this would maybe help people with thicker fingers and give a little sideways adjustment so the fingers could rest in a straighter position ... rather than just angling it more for the bigger hand.

Hope that we're not giving you headaches with all these suggestions ... it's an awesome product ;D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: W11cE on 07:06 PM - 11/22/18
Nothing to worry about in roads, this is normal.

And if you think this is bad, get into private text chat with him. You will get walls of text nonstop more than you can read :o
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 07:11 PM - 11/22/18
Nothing to worry about roads, this is normal.

And if you think this is bad, get into private text chat with him. You will get walls of text nonstop more than you can read :o

Lol ... it's like having a farting competition with a thunderstorm; nice work with the code W11cE, thanks for that :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: W11cE on 07:20 PM - 11/22/18
Lol ... it's like having a farting competition with a thunderstorm; nice work with the code W11cE, thanks for that :)
Thanks, but I have not modified the actual code yet. I will look into more improvements on the weekend.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 11:04 PM - 11/22/18
Now please no one say I don't get things moving! Right now we got the device XIM out of the box, Imants is selling more than to the PC gamers, W11ce is making the code faster and better and maybe we will even get it wireless and I am testing a 5mm thick switch today or Monday I ordered form a local 3D printing shop. Thanks Imants for sharing the button design.
Now folks forgive me if sometimes I have to pull you away from the Florida falls elders home bingo. I will roll you back later.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 11:11 PM - 11/22/18
Quote
If you are revising your build for the next version, have you ever thought about replacing the pivot bolt on the fingers with a slot the same as the adjustment bolt has? So 2 adjusting slots instead of 1, this would maybe help people with thicker fingers and give a little sideways adjustment so the fingers could rest in a straighter position ... rather than just angling it more for the bigger hand.

Pivot bolt, adjustment bolt? The whole finger part is horizontal while the hand plate is angulated to the left. This means the handplate is ergonomically and anatomically correct and the finger part is not. The whole finger part should rise 15-17į to the right. See N52te on how it is to be done correctly. The fingers can compensate but it can get tiring after some hours.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 11:40 PM - 11/22/18
This is how it should be and how it is on the N52te (exagerated, just turn wrist)

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36266382/IMG_6240.jpg)

This is the Azeron, its even tiring looking at it. Fingers compensate

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36266381/IMG_6241.jpg)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ceebs on 04:23 AM - 11/23/18
This is how it should be and how it is on the N52te (exagerated, just turn wrist)

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36266382/IMG_6240.jpg)

This is the Azeron, its even tiring looking at it. Fingers compensate

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36266381/IMG_6241.jpg)
You have lovely hands.  :-*
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 04:25 AM - 11/23/18
Ya like a surgeon
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 05:14 AM - 11/23/18
Ya like a surgeon

Hello Doctor

Going to skip last 14 pages of  chit-chat,   skipping all b.s, straight to the point as always ,,,,   Have you got Azeron Keypad ? and are you satisfied ? do you recommend it for Ximers ?

Many thanks
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 05:16 AM - 11/23/18
absolutely
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:36 AM - 11/23/18
Better but still not at the sweetspot with 5mm thicker button. Will build it up some more with hotglue.

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36266954/IMG_6248.jpg)

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36266953/IMG_6249.jpg)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 11:22 AM - 11/23/18
Hotglue to get to sweet spot is 13-14 mm. At that point it is super easy to press down button as you are at the end of it and if you primarily use the trigger button. Will test playing but feels great.
Best would be of course to be able to move that back button but I don't see how that could be done.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 01:13 PM - 11/23/18
Very nice. Thanks
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 01:54 AM - 11/24/18
So I played a bit of BF5 with the 13mm button and no accidental clicks and I reach the nail button with a slight movement which is great and the down button is now easy to press as I am hovering over the end of it. My main buttons are the trigger buttons as they are most comfy, not the down buttons. If you mainly use the down buttons the design as is will be better for you. Fingers are stationary as I have plenty of keys without really moving the fingers. 13 buttons to be exact. I ordered 4 12mm buttons, thanks again to Imants providing the design. Will test more if 12mm is best but I think you should consider selling 4 large buttons as addon.

My only standing complaint is really the angulation of the finger part and the base that doesnít let me go further to the right viewed from above. Its totally OK maxed out right, as it is, but could be a tid more comfy allowing me more right.  I really hope Imants will do a revision on the bottom metal plate for V2.0. The hand has a tendency to the right, not left. And even if you go more left the joystick housing can not follow and your thumb ends up not having the tip on the mushroom.

Again, this is a near perfect device and I do not get anything for saying this which is great as I can complain :D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: YOUDID on 09:13 AM - 11/24/18
Do you guys feel this device beats nav controller hands down?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 09:38 AM - 11/24/18
yes the sony stick has not enough buttons and tiring to use.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: YOUDID on 11:01 AM - 11/24/18
Thanks,

Anybody else
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Geno782 on 05:41 AM - 11/25/18
Does the thumbstuck work as a full analog stick? I remember reading it was kind of limited and not very fluid with movement?

Also, any word on when they will re-stock? :P
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ceebs on 06:12 AM - 11/25/18
Does the thumbstuck work as a full analog stick? I remember reading it was kind of limited and not very fluid with movement?

Also, any word on when they will re-stock? :P
They donít restock. Imants makes each one by hand. Order and youíll join the queue.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: sncjez on 07:12 AM - 11/25/18
Received mine a few day's ago it's a lot lighter than i thought it was going to be but sturdy on table being a keyboard user for many years this is gonna take some time to adapt to.

Think i'll finish wolfenstien with the azeron to get adjusted before going into multiplayer game modes. I'm pulling and finger nail pushing atm i find the bottom buttons a bit to far me but when comfortable i could adjust.

My fingers are all over the place pressing wrong buttons  ;D but very early day's when i finally get some rhythm going is gonna be a nice little gem to have.

Any of you current users changed anything for stick movement in software?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 09:05 AM - 11/26/18
Been playing with mine for 10 days and I hardly hit a wrong button now ... at first I hit the wrong ones a lot.
I've become used to the different hand position than the one I had been accustomed to, but the biggest problem I have now is if I lift my hand to use the controller ... i have to look at the Azeron to get my hand back in without hitting a switch accidentally.
I have my controller on a stand between my mouse pad and keypad, and it was super easy to slide my grip to the controller for difficult menu wheels ... not so much now, but that's not the fault of the Azeron  ... loving it!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: PinnieTHEwooH on 09:05 AM - 11/27/18
I got mine today and played Bf5 for a few hours. It felt weird to use a gamepad after 25 years of using a keyboard.  After some adjusting my fingers started to find the right keys but still needs to be adjusted more.
 I like the looks and feel of it. It's very light, comfortable for the hand. Might have to put some stickers on the buttons so I rember what is what.
 Will try BO5 later today.
 But overall it's 9/10 gadget.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: YOUDID on 09:53 PM - 11/27/18
Went to the Azeron website and It says out of parts.....can we not order right now?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 09:59 PM - 11/27/18
PinnieTHEwooH no stickers needed just choose 4 main buttons for 4 main commands  either down or the triggers. Choose a second row for not so important actions. A third wor for the Dpad. Stay with those avtions/keys for all games. You will have it within a week.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 02:10 AM - 11/28/18
I took delivery of a Movi Cinema Robot and an Azeron today, only one of them made me audibly gasp.

Azeron looks far more polished than expected, more hand-crafted than hand-made. Tonnes of configuration options, itís gonna take a few hours tweaking to get right.

The palm rest feels nice but Iíd like it shorter or adjustable. Pinky feels like I canít quite get it right, but all others are comfortable.

Iím yet to get in-game, but will have a play with it tonight. No idea if I can break the WASD habit, but as a lefty, itís nice to have an analog option for the first time.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: YOUDID on 10:34 AM - 11/28/18
Went to the Azeron website and It says out of parts.....can we not order right now?

Anybody?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Balor1712 on 11:08 AM - 11/28/18
Went to the Azeron website and It says out of parts.....can we not order right now?

Anybody?

Yep. Currently Imants is waiting on parts. You canít order atm. This is great for him and I am super happy. Iím excited to get mine and this is such a cool take on the gamepad.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: YOUDID on 11:14 AM - 11/28/18
Went to the Azeron website and It says out of parts.....can we not order right now?

Anybody?

Yep. Currently Imants is waiting on parts. You canít order atm. This is great for him and I am super happy. Iím excited to get mine and this is such a cool take on the gamepad.

Dangit.........guess i waited too long
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Balor1712 on 11:37 AM - 11/28/18
Iíll hazard a guess and assume he is awaiting more 3D printing material. Or something of that nature.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 09:10 AM - 11/29/18
So heres the Azeron with smaller space for the fingers. Works great if you center around the silver pull/trigger buttons. Doesnít even look bad to be honest.

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36275634/IMG_6258.jpg)

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36275635/IMG_6257.jpg)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: W11cE on 11:14 PM - 11/29/18
Here is a simple code with all the basic stuff needed for Apex.

ino:
Code: [Select]
#include "RefreshChecker.h"

#define ARRAY_LENGHT(type ,array) (sizeof(array) / sizeof(type))

#define BUTTON_T1_P1 26 //1
#define BUTTON_T2_P1 22 //2
#define BUTTON_T3_P1 27 //3
#define BUTTON_T4_P1 4 //4
#define BUTTON_T5_P1 11 //5
#define BUTTON_T1_P2 25 //6
#define BUTTON_T2_P2 21 //7
#define BUTTON_T3_P2 0 //8
#define BUTTON_T4_P2 5 //9
#define BUTTON_T1_P3 24 //10
#define BUTTON_T2_P3 20 //11
#define BUTTON_T3_P3 1 //12
#define BUTTON_T4_P3 8 //13
#define BUTTON_T1_P4 23 //14
#define BUTTON_T2_P4 19 //15
#define BUTTON_T3_P4 2 //16
#define BUTTON_T4_P4 9 //17
#define BUTTON_T3_P5 3 //18
#define BUTTON_T4_P5 10 //19
#define BUTTON_THUMB_3 38 //20 , Button above the thumbstick.
#define BUTTON_THUMB_1 18 //21 , Button on the thumbstick.
#define BUTTON_THUMB_2 12 //22 , Button next to the thumbstick.

const int DigitalButtons[] = {
BUTTON_T1_P1,
BUTTON_T2_P1,
BUTTON_T3_P1,
BUTTON_T4_P1,
BUTTON_T5_P1,
BUTTON_T1_P2,
BUTTON_T2_P2,
BUTTON_T3_P2,
BUTTON_T4_P2,
BUTTON_T1_P3,
BUTTON_T2_P3,
BUTTON_T3_P3,
BUTTON_T4_P3,
BUTTON_T1_P4,
BUTTON_T2_P4,
BUTTON_T3_P4,
BUTTON_T4_P4,
BUTTON_T3_P5,
BUTTON_T4_P5,
BUTTON_THUMB_3,
BUTTON_THUMB_1,
BUTTON_THUMB_2
};

#define SWITCH_1 14
#define SWITCH_2 13

#define X_AXIS 40
#define Y_AXIS 39
#define POT 41

#define LED_1 16
#define LED_2 15
#define LED_TEENSY 6

RefreshChecker Check = RefreshChecker(27);

void setup()
{
Joystick.useManualSend(true);
Joystick.hat(-1);
Joystick.slider(512);
Joystick.sliderLeft(512);
Joystick.sliderRight(512);
Joystick.Z(512);
Joystick.Zrotate(512);

for (int i = 0; i < ARRAY_LENGHT(int, DigitalButtons); i++)
{
pinMode(DigitalButtons[i], INPUT_PULLUP);
}
pinMode(SWITCH_1, INPUT_PULLUP);
pinMode(SWITCH_2, INPUT_PULLUP);

pinMode(LED_1, OUTPUT);
pinMode(LED_2, OUTPUT);
pinMode(LED_TEENSY, OUTPUT);

analogWrite(LED_1, 1);
analogWrite(LED_2, 0);
digitalWrite(LED_TEENSY, 0);
}

void loop()
{
for (int i = 0; i < ARRAY_LENGHT(int, DigitalButtons); i++)
{
Joystick.button(i + 1, Check.PassNew(i, !digitalReadFast(DigitalButtons[i])));
}

auto axisX = map(analogRead(X_AXIS), 1023, 0, 1023, 0);
axisX = constrain(axisX, 0, 1023);
auto axisY = map(analogRead(Y_AXIS), 0, 1023, 1023, 0);
axisY = constrain(axisY, 0, 1023);

Joystick.X(Check.PassNew(ARRAY_LENGHT(int, DigitalButtons) + 1, axisX));
Joystick.Y(Check.PassNew(ARRAY_LENGHT(int, DigitalButtons) + 2, axisY));

if (Check.HasNewData())
{
Joystick.send_now();
}
}

In addition to that you need to create two files:

RefreshChecker.h:
Code: [Select]
// RefreshChecker.h

#ifndef _REFRESHCHECKER_h
#define _REFRESHCHECKER_h

#if defined(ARDUINO) && ARDUINO >= 100
#include "arduino.h"
#else
#include "WProgram.h"
#endif

class RefreshChecker
{
public:
RefreshChecker(int size);
int PassNew(int id, int value);
bool HasNewData();

private:
int* previousValues;
bool _hasNewData = false;
};

#endif

RefreshChecker.cpp:
Code: [Select]
#include "RefreshChecker.h"

RefreshChecker::RefreshChecker(int size)
{
previousValues = new int[size];
}

int RefreshChecker::PassNew(int id, int value)
{
if (previousValues[id] != value)
{
_hasNewData = true;
}

previousValues[id] = value;
return value;
}

bool RefreshChecker::HasNewData()
{
bool ret = _hasNewData;
_hasNewData = false;

return ret;
}

Will make a github page for this later. I have not scaled the joystick axis in any way yet, will have to see if this is needed.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: OBsIV on 11:23 PM - 11/29/18
Pretty impressive that they are selling a 3D printed product. Does anyone know what type of printer they are using?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 11:51 PM - 11/29/18
Nice Job W11ce! That code Imants can put into his software. I will flash your XIM version only as itís the only code the device needs for me.  Any libraries necessary and which Arduino version to flash? Teensyduino addon and latest Arduino software?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 03:06 AM - 11/30/18
Flashed the Teensy and code is fine very responsive.

Instructions: install arduino, install Teensyduino after starting arduino once. Three files have to be in one folder, Arduino wants to put the ino file in a sketch folder, move the other two files there also. In arduino Board choose Teensy ++2.0, USB Type keyboard+mouse+joystickand port choose the Azeron. Press reset button, compile and upload.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 04:16 AM - 11/30/18
Pretty impressive that they are selling a 3D printed product. Does anyone know what type of printer they are using?
We are using Anet A8 and 3 days back got new Ender 3 Pro to speed up printing.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 04:44 AM - 11/30/18
Can you make a youtube on how you are printing a button for example? Strange but would like to see how its built up.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Markie_X on 07:29 AM - 11/30/18
Went to the Azeron website and It says out of parts.....can we not order right now?

Anybody?

My last response from Azeron (Imants) was on the 25th of November, he stated that they were waiting for parts.
If i left a message he would notify me if they started up production again, parts could mean bottomplate,Teensy or something completely else.

Yesterday my G13 went officially bust so i hope they go in production sooner then later : )
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 07:31 AM - 11/30/18
I am sure he prints day and night. Teensy should not be a problem, bottom plate maybe.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Markie_X on 07:31 AM - 11/30/18
@Roads, do you think the Azeron would work with the XIM4 ?

Nice job on the custom buttons btw  :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 07:32 AM - 11/30/18
Xim four thatís something W11ce can answer.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Markie_X on 07:33 AM - 11/30/18
I am sure he prints day and night. Teensy should not be a problem, bottom plate maybe.

or they halted production to try to figure some new stuff out?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 07:34 AM - 11/30/18
No don't think so you guys just ordered a lot.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Markie_X on 07:35 AM - 11/30/18
Xim four thatís something W11ce can answer.

Xim four thatís something W11ce can answer.

Thanks Roads, i hope he reads this then ; )

Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 07:56 AM - 11/30/18
@Roads, do you think the Azeron would work with the XIM4 ?

Nice job on the custom buttons btw  :)

Yes it does work with the Xim4, mine worked out of the box.
Don't know if the new code that W11ce just wrote for Apex will change anything tho' ... but if you tell Imants when you order, I guess he will flash the correct code.
I'm still playing with my Xim4 ... my day 1 Apex is still in it's box ... I'm a bit of a lazy luddite lol.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Balor1712 on 08:25 AM - 11/30/18
What does the new code do that the previous one did not?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jamesbone on 09:54 AM - 11/30/18
Went to the Azeron website and It says out of parts.....can we not order right now?

Anybody?

My last response from Azeron (Imants) was on the 25th of November, he stated that they were waiting for parts.
If i left a message he would notify me if they started up production again, parts could mean bottomplate,Teensy or something completely else.

Yesterday my G13 went officially bust so i hope they go in production sooner then later : )

Markie how do you use the analog stick on the G13???

My friend gave me his g13 for free I feel the analog stick is in  the most uncomfortable  position?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: OBsIV on 10:30 AM - 11/30/18
Pretty impressive that they are selling a 3D printed product. Does anyone know what type of printer they are using?
We are using Anet A8 and 3 days back got new Ender 3 Pro to speed up printing.

Very nice. I hope you are able to grow your product to the point where you can go for injection molded parts. It's clear that there is a lot of interest in this group of gamers. :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Gamer4life on 01:17 PM - 11/30/18
What does the new code do that the previous one did not?

Iím also interested to know what the new code does.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: sncjez on 02:15 PM - 11/30/18
My thoughts being a keyboard user positive so far considering i haven't really put in marathon time yet, i dived straight into BO4 was a struggle to begin with hitting the wrong keys but tinkered as i went along (prolly keep tinkering).

My only gripe is palm shame rest to stick movement if you'r a claw gripper you should adapt well. Only my opinion due to my style and hand size over the years from lazy palm grip mouse and keyboard user bit uncomfortable at the moment more hrs will kick in.

But apart from struggling with stick position the keys are lightning quick i have had a couple of high end keyboards in the past and the keys are incredibly quick jumping dropping you will annoy no doubt.

Ps i'm a puller  ;)

Next test Quake strafe jumping  ;D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 02:28 PM - 11/30/18
You can make the palmrest a bit more suited to your hand by using this  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Polydoh-mouldable-polymorph-plastimake-instamorph/dp/B01MZ0KCVG
Still not the same as the hand shape when using a standard keyboard, but you can have your fingers sitting over the keys in a more comfy posture.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: sncjez on 02:46 PM - 11/30/18
Nice one cheers Au1d.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 03:02 PM - 11/30/18
Remember that it is easier to put on than to take off :)
Best building it up till you get it right, I put some more on after a few days to try a different shape but it wasn't comfy. I heated it up a bit with a hair dryer and the plastic popped away ok from the previous build up layer.
It aint pretty but it's comfy lol.


Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: sncjez on 03:52 PM - 11/30/18
Remember that it is easier to put on than to take off :)
Best building it up till you get it right, I put some more on after a few days to try a different shape but it wasn't comfy. I heated it up a bit with a hair dryer and the plastic popped away ok from the previous build up layer.
It aint pretty but it's comfy lol.

Cheers will keep tapping for a while to see if i need to make adjustments.

Nice little bit of kit this so far.. thumbs up
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:54 PM - 11/30/18
Palm size and angle isn't right for me either. Perhaps the next iteration could put it on a forward / back slider, with a wheel to raise / lower the height and a swivel for left / right. I'd like my palm rest closer to the buttons and with a lower profile. Razer did a similar thing with the Ouroboros mouse.

In reality, I'd probably prefer 5mm or so less height at the peak, but it's no big deal.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 02:05 AM - 12/01/18
I had my first play with the Azeron and as a decades-long keyboarder, it's a complete mindfcuk.

I don't know how you analog boys do this...I was banging into walls all over the place! I started to get the hang of it pretty quickly, but it's completely flipped my control scheme on its head.

I'm used to focusing on movement with the middle three fingers, and using the thumb for most actions like Jump, Reload, Sprint, d-pad, Inventory, Map etc. Now I need to move with my thumb and disperse those other functions to the WASD fingers...it's going to take some adjusting and I'm getting completely lost under pressure.

I thought I would use the lowest buttons as the primary actions, but have thus far be using the fingernails for most things, with d-pad, Map & Inventory on the tower.

I'll likely swap the face buttons to the triggers (pull), L1, L3, R1, R3 to the fingernails (push) and d-pad to the presses, or some similar logical grouping.

The key here is persistence - I had a similar struggle transitioning to an ortholinear keyboard. It took about a month to adjust and I've never typed better once I got the hang of it :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 02:47 AM - 12/01/18
Not walking with analog is a complete fail of the Azeron purpose Anthitesis. I mean you can walk with a controller stick right? You seem trying to use WASD on that stick. The stick is analog just like on controller. Take controller in left hand and walk while using mouse in right hand thatís identical to Azeron+mouse.
So set Azeron to joystick mode or better flash W11ce code to be sure. Then just set ADS on the index finger of the azeron preferably the trigger so itís the same as on the controller. Play like that. Later you can add crouch, jump, meele to the other fingers but first just use ads left index. Just unfuck that mind.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 02:48 AM - 12/01/18
I'm left-handed roads. I aim with the left hand, move with the right. It's the same controls, just flipped.

ADS and Shoot remain on the mouse along with right-stick aim, that's not going to change. WASD left-stick movement has simply moved from those keys to the thumbstick.

What's changed is the middle three finger are now doing the job of the thumb, and vise-versa. Analog movement is very clunky for me (mobility issues with right thumb), but I'll get used to it. I'll stick to single-player with the Azeron for now while I nut this out.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 02:52 AM - 12/01/18
doesnít matter then flip everything I wrote. Walk with analog stick, aim mouse in left hand, ADS with right index trigger on Azeron. Joystick has to be in analog mode.
But yeah if you never walked with right thumb as the controller was reverse for you it may take some time. Crazy there are no left hand controllers with a lot of people in US being lefties
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:12 AM - 12/01/18
I can use a controller just fine and do so for all other genres except shooters. But my aim is poor using a controller, hence why I use a Xim. I don't swap controller settings to lefty mode, or do anything unusual.

In my case on Xim - left-stick = right hand; right-stick = left hand. I use IJKL instead of WASD and swap the left and right mouse bindings, but otherwise everything's the same.

That's not the issue and my left-hand bindings aren't going to change - I'm 100% happy with ADS and Shoot on mouse. It's just swapping from WASD to thumbstick for movement that feels odd and will take some adjusting.

I keep defaulting to the middle three fingers to move instead of performing actions, and do stupid stuff in-game as a result. I'm only an hour or so in, so it's very early days, but it's going to take some willpower to overcome muscle memory.

The other thing I'll try is using Azeron's buttons for WASD (IJKL) and the thumbstick as a d-pad. The issue there is the horizontal buttons are too low for comfort, but your thicker button mod would sort that out.

My usual bindings will transfer pretty easily, the pull button for the middle finger will bind easily to S for backwards movement, Sprint to the middle fingernail. The button above the stick for Jump (Cross), the thumbnail button for Reload (Square). Crouch (Circle) is typically pinky. Swap Weapon (Triangle) is scrolldown and probably index finger side-tap for hold Triangle (heavy weapons). Index fingernail or pull for L1. Ring fingernail or pull for R1. D-pad to thumbstick.

It's just Melee that remains a problem and I've still got a tonne of buttons to sort that out. But the question is, can I make WASD feel comfortable on Azeron? That's the $200 AUD question...

It's going to be a fun experiment if nothing else - I love the potential of Azeron, I just hope I can make it work for the way I play.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 03:17 AM - 12/01/18
If thicker buttons I do have some accidental presses now even if very seldom. 10mm thick will be perfect I feel.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 03:20 AM - 12/01/18
What does the new code do that the previous one did not?

Iím also interested to know what the new code does.

Nothing new Ximmers just need bare XIM code for it and no keyboard mode and bells and whistles. With W11ce code I am also sure its as fast as it can be.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 05:09 AM - 12/01/18
Another hour in and things are starting to gel. Movement feels more natural and bindings are making more sense.

I'm clustering stuff on the pull and push buttons around the index, middle and ring finger. Pinky can be ignored altogether, which is a good thing as it alters wrist position and is the least dextrous and responsive digit. D-pad has migrated to the tall towers. Options and Touchpad buttons to the shorter towers.

What I like most is there are so many buttons within reach and plenty of them are completely unused, which opens up a lot of customisation options to suit individual tastes. Also, I get to keep my kb on my Mac without constantly swapping back and forward to write forum posts :)

Really liking Azeron so far, it's going to transform the way I play. Not sure if it'll translate as easily to multiplayer shooters where I like my quick WASD strafing and aim adjustment, but there's something to be said for analog movement.

Thanks once again for posting this topic roads, it's opened up options none of us knew existed and until now weren't possible at all for lefties :salute:
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 05:18 AM - 12/01/18
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Another hour in and things are starting to gel.

Yeah stop the whining already LOL

Should thanks Imants who could have kept the project for himself. He does print the device really reasonably priced. I payed 32 Euros for 5 @#$% keys! So I am buying an Ender 3D Pro. Even there Imants helps and gives me advice. The guy is great.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 05:26 AM - 12/01/18
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Another hour in and things are starting to gel.

Yeah stop the whining already LOL

Should thanks Imants who could have kept the project for himself. He does print the device really reasonably priced. I payed 32 Euros for 5 @#$% keys! So I am buying an Ender 3D Pro. Even there Imants helps and gives me advice. The guy is great.
Definitely not whinging, just posting first impressions because it's such a huge change, having never had the option for analog before. Except for Nav, but then the mouse never has enough buttons  :-\

It's peeps like OBsIV, J2Kbr and Imants that make my gaming world go round :D It's the little guys who innovate, the big guys prefer to sit on fat wads of cash making stuff they know will sell to the lowest common denominator.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 05:29 AM - 12/01/18
Yeah was joking antithesis. I agree the world is bad.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: sncjez on 05:58 AM - 12/01/18
I'm adapting well to the keys just a little clumsy with stick at the moment looking forward to another go later.

PS.. Imants told me all Azerons shipped out now include W11ce code for anyone wondering.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 06:11 AM - 12/01/18
Yeah was joking antithesis.
I know my good man :) I wish I had more to complain about! Once you push past that first couple of hours, adaptation kicks in.

I'm adapting well to the keys just a little clumsy with stick at the moment looking forward to another go later.

PS.. Imants told me all Azerons shipped out now include W11ce code for anyone wondering.
I'd like to be able to adjust the stick angle, left feels too downwards to me.

Imants installed W11ce's code on mine prior to shipping. I'm thrilled that it only took a week to make, then two weeks to ship from Latvia to Australia. Azeron is definitely a product worthy of our time and support :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 08:24 AM - 12/01/18
I'd like to be able to adjust the stick angle, left feels too downwards to me.
You can do that, to do that You will need install our software can download it from our web page (https://azeron.eu/galvena-lapa/support/software/). as well there will be firmware and maual how to update firmware as well.
When You opena asoftware just do these steps:
1) make sure You are in hardware profile
2) pick a profile 1 (it is default joystick profile)
3) open analog stick settings
4) change angle from -45 to +45
settings will be saved in keypad so You can use it with Your new settings on XIM with no problems.
(https://i.ibb.co/sQf848Y/angle-setup.jpg)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:22 AM - 12/01/18
The Code posted by W11ce is newer it replaces the Azeron code completely. Thatís what I run. Its never than your code anthithesis without stuff I don't need for the XIM. The other code was an old one from the N52te adapted to azeron. W11ce can say whats different now.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Balor1712 on 11:27 AM - 12/01/18
How would we flash the xim code on the azeron? We do that and the follow your instructions installing the new one.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: PinnieTHEwooH on 11:31 AM - 12/01/18
Yeah.  A instruction 4dummies would be much appreciated  8)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 11:34 AM - 12/01/18
I posted them a page before under W11ces code.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: PinnieTHEwooH on 11:41 AM - 12/01/18
Aah. But there were no pictures etc  ;D.
No, I missed your post somehow, my bad. Will update  new version of code tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 12:42 PM - 12/01/18
The Code posted by W11ce is newer it replaces the Azeron code completely. Thatís what I run. Its never than your code anthithesis without stuff I don't need for the XIM. The other code was an old one from the N52te adapted to azeron. W11ce can say whats different now.
New W11ce code will be implemented in our next firmware version, so can use his last code plus with our software can change angle for thumbstick, dedzone and sensativity, will be possible set one key to make thumbstick switch from left to right or use thumbstick as d-pad.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Balor1712 on 01:36 PM - 12/01/18
The Code posted by W11ce is newer it replaces the Azeron code completely. Thatís what I run. Its never than your code anthithesis without stuff I don't need for the XIM. The other code was an old one from the N52te adapted to azeron. W11ce can say whats different now.
New W11ce code will be implemented in our next firmware version, so can use his last code plus with our software can change angle for thumbstick, dedzone and sensativity, will be possible set one key to make thumbstick switch from left to right or use thumbstick as d-pad.

Perfect, thanks. So I will just wait until the new firmware update.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 04:50 PM - 12/01/18
Yeah was joking antithesis.
I know my good man :) I wish I had more to complain about! Once you push past that first couple of hours, adaptation kicks in.

I'm adapting well to the keys just a little clumsy with stick at the moment looking forward to another go later.

PS.. Imants told me all Azerons shipped out now include W11ce code for anyone wondering.
I'd like to be able to adjust the stick angle, left feels too downwards to me.

Imants installed W11ce's code on mine prior to shipping. I'm thrilled that it only took a week to make, then two weeks to ship from Latvia to Australia. Azeron is definitely a product worthy of our time and support :)

What color did u order yours ? Interesting to see most advanced Xim users recommending   Azeron.  I may get 1 too now :)

Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: YOUDID on 05:03 PM - 12/01/18
Any estimate on when we'll be able to order one?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 03:54 AM - 12/02/18
Any estimate on when we'll be able to order one?
I hope I can get parts in next week or week after.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 04:38 AM - 12/02/18
What color did u order yours ? Interesting to see most advanced Xim users recommending   Azeron.  I may get 1 too now :)
I ordered Magenta (dark pink). I've got blue highlight keys on the Ergodox and wanted a contrasting colour. A nice touch is the Azeron LEDs match the key colour. I'm not sure if that's the case for everyone, but it showed attention to detail that I wasn't expecting to see.

Really liking Azeron so far, it's the best gaming purchase I've made in a long time! It's not often that the quirky stuff works (I have boxes full of gaming devices that looked good on paper, but were terrible in practice) and Imants has pulled off a winner here. There's some refinement to do, but for what amounts to an alpha product, it's an impressive device.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Markie_X on 05:52 AM - 12/02/18
@Roads, do you think the Azeron would work with the XIM4 ?

Nice job on the custom buttons btw  :)

Yes it does work with the Xim4, mine worked out of the box.
Don't know if the new code that W11ce just wrote for Apex will change anything tho' ... but if you tell Imants when you order, I guess he will flash the correct code.
I'm still playing with my Xim4 ... my day 1 Apex is still in it's box ... I'm a bit of a lazy luddite lol.


Thank you for the feedback, happy to hear this.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Markie_X on 05:57 AM - 12/02/18
Markie how do you use the analog stick on the G13???

My friend gave me his g13 for free I feel the analog stick is in  the most uncomfortable  position?
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Went to the Azeron website and It says out of parts.....can we not order right now?

Anybody?

My last response from Azeron (Imants) was on the 25th of November, he stated that they were waiting for parts.
If i left a message he would notify me if they started up production again, parts could mean bottomplate,Teensy or something completely else.

Yesterday my G13 went officially bust so i hope they go in production sooner then later : )

Markie how do you use the analog stick on the G13???

My friend gave me his g13 for free I feel the analog stick is in  the most uncomfortable  position?

Sorry for the late reply but in the attached picture it shows you how i use ( used  :'( ) my G13
(https://i.ibb.co/V2mSdzj/G13.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hndz0bF)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 07:30 AM - 12/02/18
G13 is far from ergonomic just design, zero comfort.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 07:51 AM - 12/02/18
G13 is far from ergonomic just design, zero comfort.
As it is yes, but if you do a stick mod and move the analogue stick position it is VERY comfy.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 07:53 AM - 12/02/18
Oh and the buttons suck :D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: lmulli on 08:10 AM - 12/02/18
G13 is far from ergonomic just design, zero comfort.

I cannot get used to it at all and find it far easier to use the Sony nav controller. (can't get used to a normal keyboard either to be fair!)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 01:51 PM - 12/02/18
G13 is far from ergonomic just design, zero comfort.
As it is yes, but if you do a stick mod and move the analogue stick position it is VERY comfy.
Try using it with the right hand...that's my G13 experience.

Take the analog stick completely out of the equation and it's a mess. Azeron has it beat in spades in the ergonomics department :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: redacted on 03:24 PM - 12/02/18
I've been using the G13 for about a year now. Took me awhile to get used to this horrible tiny thumbstick (yes, I use for WASD) but It's not terrible. I'm definitely buying this Azeron, tho. This thing just looks awesome!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 03:25 PM - 12/02/18
G13 is far from ergonomic just design, zero comfort.
As it is yes, but if you do a stick mod and move the analogue stick position it is VERY comfy.

Totally agree ... The Azeron is really good and VERY innovaTry using it with the right hand...that's my G13 experience.

Take the analog stick completely out of the equation and it's a mess. Azeron has it beat in spades in the ergonomics department :)
Totally agree, The Azeron has been the best gamepad I've ever played with :)

Just out of curiousity with you being a leftie antithesis ... in the past, did you never consider modding the G13 by swapping the analogue stick over to the left hand side.
It's simple to do ... it butchers the gamepad, but it's easy as the wiring just unplugs from the stick and you can cut the housing off and swap it to the other side, plug the wire back in, then stick it to an abs base. I did it to change the angle of the stick and it was easy peasy .. may  have to solder an added length of wire on to extend it to reach the LH side ... but it's hypothetical now with you having your Azeron, I was just curious.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 04:02 PM - 12/02/18
Just out of curiousity with you being a leftie antithesis ... in the past, did you never consider modding the G13 by swapping the analogue stick over to the left hand side.
It's simple to do ... it butchers the gamepad, but it's easy as the wiring just unplugs from the stick and you can cut the housing off and swap it to the other side, plug the wire back in, then stick it to an abs base. I did it to change the angle of the stick and it was easy peasy .. may  have to solder an added length of wire on to extend it to reach the LH side ... but it's hypothetical now with you having your Azeron, I was just curious.
I did consider the lefty mod. A mate of mine is an electronics tech, as is my father, so there were no concerns about doing the mod. But I never liked the feel of the G13 in the hand and far preferred the Z-Board Fang, which I used for Xim gaming until last year.

What I would like to do though is move the buttons from the left-side of my G Pro mouse over to the right. Given I have all the functionality I need on the mouse already with l/r click, scroll up/down and the DPI button, it's overkill and not worth the effort. I do like the thought of a thumb button for G-Shift though, but I can live without it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 12:49 PM - 12/03/18
So I've still been using my xim4, as I'm a lazy techno luddite; but today I got my day1 Apex out of it's box and set it up,  and lo and behold .... when you tap the devices screen icon ...
it says ... AZERON  ....  :D :D :D 
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 01:08 PM - 12/03/18
On what display?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 03:01 PM - 12/03/18
The box above your game name with the xbox symbol in it ... when I tap one of the xim logo symbols it shows "Azeron Keypad".
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: W11cE on 04:21 PM - 12/03/18
What does the new code do that the previous one did not?
I just organized some stuff better and added a class to filter the data to be sent only when there is new data. This is not that big of a deal for XIM use, but for PC it is stupid to spam input if there is nothing new in there. All you are doing is causing unneeded interrupts on your OS. Enough of devices like this and nothing will run on constant polling rates on your PC anymore.

Not sure what to do with the joystick. I would want to scale it a little bit, but the stick itself is so poor quality that im not sure if its worth it.

Has anyone sawed off the extra bumps on the armrest? Will probably do it at one point. Will be quite a sight after that but some sacrifices has to be done.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 05:44 PM - 12/03/18
What does the new code do that the previous one did not?
I just organized some stuff better and added a class to filter the data to be sent only when there is new data. This is not that big of a deal for XIM use, but for PC it is stupid to spam input if there is nothing new in there. All you are doing is causing unneeded interrupts on your OS. Enough of devices like this and nothing will run on constant polling rates on your PC anymore.

Not sure what to do with the joystick. I would want to scale it a little bit, but the stick itself is so poor quality that im not sure if its worth it.

Has anyone sawed off the extra bumps on the armrest? Will probably do it at one point. Will be quite a sight after that but some sacrifices has to be done.

I didn't saw the raised parts off, but I did put some "Polydoh" plastic on the palm rest to level it out  a bit .. this raised the level a bit, but it suited my hand size.
Could you explain what you meant by "scaling the joystick" ... haven't a clue what you mean lol, but I'm curious.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: G502Killer on 09:42 PM - 12/03/18
How much does this thing cost? Does anyone know?

I could 3d print different bodies if the creator tossed me some STLs
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Mark8010 on 01:48 AM - 12/04/18
Received mine yesterday, going to take a while to get used to but initial impressions are it's a great product overall.

I am a bit disappointed in the analogue stick though, it's range of motion is too great to be comfortable for me - wish it had a range of motion like the Nav, in particular left/right is gonna cause me discomfort over time. It also has too much initial resistance for me as well - the tension is much greater than the Nav or an XB1 controller which means analogue movements aren't as smooth as I'd like them to be.

Am happy with my purchase overall though, it won't replace a Nav for me on games where I don't need the extra buttons, but will on games where I do or prefer to not use a G502 mouse.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 06:01 AM - 12/04/18
Not sure what to do with the joystick. I would want to scale it a little bit, but the stick itself is so poor quality that im not sure if its worth it.

Has anyone sawed off the extra bumps on the armrest? Will probably do it at one point. Will be quite a sight after that but some sacrifices has to be done.
These are some low price thumbstick, use them just to keep price as low I can on keypad, and they come with breakout board, but I already looking for alternative analog sticks, did order few options to find out which ones works best. As they don't have breakout board I will need get separate one for them. And if I find any better, that will be a Optional for additional price, as price difference will be around 5-6 euros on there analog stick+breakout board.

About the armrest, that will be next think I planning to improve (after compact keypad version) had already couple interesting ideas on that.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 06:17 AM - 12/04/18
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Has anyone sawed off the extra bumps on the armrest? Will probably do it at one point. Will be quite a sight after that but some sacrifices has to be done.

Ask Azeron politely for the STL, you have 3D Printer W11ce. The handrest doesnít seem to be the final version after all so I guess he will give it to you. Imants?

I will try to prototype the sleds under the tower for angulation and so they get higher pinky to index.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 06:32 AM - 12/04/18
How much does this thing cost? Does anyone know?

I could 3d print different bodies if the creator tossed me some STLs
It cost 100 Euro + shipping
I did work for many years on this project, and I'm not really up to sharing files now, after all hours I did put in it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 07:13 AM - 12/04/18
No you should not share the whole thing, only the parts that you want to be redone. See it as helping you prototype.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 10:31 AM - 12/05/18
We are made "Azeron compact" keypad. Planning to add it in store when parts will arrive.
(https://i.ibb.co/vVDttvt/Azeron-Compact-keypad.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZGNZZ1Z)

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Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 12:52 PM - 12/05/18
We are made "Azeron compact" keypad. Planning to add it in store when parts will arrive.
(https://i.ibb.co/vVDttvt/Azeron-Compact-keypad.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZGNZZ1Z)

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Is this new version shown above ?

Thanks
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 01:10 PM - 12/05/18
Is this new version shown above ?
Yes, this will be additional option to choose from, made for them who prefer smaller size without loosing functionality.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ceebs on 01:24 AM - 12/06/18
Is this new version shown above ?
Yes, this will be additional option to choose from, made for them who prefer smaller size without loosing functionality.
Looks really good. Can I change my original order to this new version, please Imants?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 02:11 AM - 12/06/18
The menu buttons were my idea, really proud it got into the design Imants :D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 02:38 AM - 12/06/18
Is this new version shown above ?
Yes, this will be additional option to choose from, made for them who prefer smaller size without loosing functionality.
Looks really good. Can I change my original order to this new version, please Imants?
Did You already have made order? If so You can contact me in Etsy or e-mail, if its not shipped out yet, then I can change it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 08:36 AM - 12/06/18
Dagnammit...I'm gonna have to order a compact one too! Love that directional switch, as well as the menu buttons.

D-pad is the thing I struggle with the most. I have it bound to the towers, but it takes effort to remember where I've mapped them each time. The high towers are no loss given we get an extra couple of buttons on the Compact via the d-pad.

After using Azeron for a week or so, I'd also like to be able to slide the fingers even closer to the palm rest so I can use a claw grip. I slouch back pretty far from my screen and have my elbows on ergonomic rests, so I can't lean into the Azeron for a more upright wrist posture. The reality is I could simply lock my chair in a more upright position, but I'd still like more finger range.

Pinky and ring finger ranges are fine as is, but 10-15mm more range towards the body of the Azeron for the index and middle fingers would be ideal. I suspect that I wouldn't reach the menu buttons on the Compact comfortably without pulling the fingers closer, at least not without changing my posture.

I've also noticed the stick resolution seems lower than a controller, that might have to do with more stick resistance though and/or the software. That's the only thing holding me back from using Azeron for MP games, I feel like the thumbstick lacks fine movement compared to a DS4 or XB1 controller. I'm having a blast though in single-player with the Azeron.

The other thing I'd like to do is adjust the height of the bottom-level buttons for more of a WASD feel, if I wanted to go that direction. Alternately, order some thicker 5mm buttons so my fingers sit up a bit higher, but the buttons would need to taper inwards slightly so they don't collide with the vertical buttons. I don't use the bottom buttons at all, when I thought I'd use them the most.

I'll test out thicker buttons using Blu-tac to see if it'll work or not. I have some Sugru too, but don't want to mess up the buttons if it doesn't work out.

When will the Compact version be available? Can custom parts be ordered to give the finger sliders more range-of-motion, thicker buttons and possibly a better quality / less resistant thumbstick?

Long version short - the 5-way directional switch is a killer upgrade and worth the asking price for that alone.

It'd also be great if the thumbstick wasn't as stiff. That seems to be mechanical as there's a more obvious catching point and greater resistance when moving the stick around compared to Sony / MS controllers.

Minor criticisms aside, the Compact is an even more refined version of the Azeron and I can't wait to get my hands on one :) The flatter design should be cheaper to ship and looks more like a finished, commercial product. Console m/kb users and the disabled community are not to be underestimated as potential markets (15% of all gamers are disabled). Love my kooky towers though, I'm glad I jumped in early!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 08:49 AM - 12/06/18
Flash W11ces code might be optimized for stick movement. The latest code in this thread.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 09:18 AM - 12/06/18
Nice ... I'll definitely be getting the compact version when it becomes available  ;D
Agree about the stick .. it's not the best, a better quality stick with easier motion movement would make a big difference to The Azeron.
You're building this by hand to order Imants, and you are charging a VERY reasonable price for The Azeron ... it's a great product and shaving a few euros off the price for a lesser quality stick is not needed in my opinion.
Don't sell yourself short .... It is a brilliant concept and design  8)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 01:27 PM - 12/06/18
When will the Compact version be available? Can custom parts be ordered to give the finger sliders more range-of-motion, thicker buttons and possibly a better quality / less resistant thumbstick?

It'd also be great if the thumbstick wasn't as stiff. That seems to be mechanical as there's a more obvious catching point and greater resistance when moving the stick around compared to Sony / MS controllers.

I planning to add it in store as soon as I get parts I still waiting for. Looks like I need to make these sliders for towers a longer and shorter version available for order separately if needed, as some customers would like to have them longer others shorter.
Me as PC player never had any problems with thumbstick, as its just did emulate WASD keys, so I could not feel any problems, but  in Console gaming it is a different story, there You can use full potential of analog stick and easy feel the difference if its good or not. And now, when I have so big interest from console gaming community, got a feedback's,  I definitely will find a better analog stick, I already did ordered 6 different analog sticks, to find better one I can use. There is some problems, as I cant use analog sticks from PS3, PS4 and Xbox One as they are smaller size and there is not breakout boards for them.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 01:31 PM - 12/06/18
Why do you need break out board at all? In N52te and Orbweaver mods we just connected the pins directly. Thumbhouse should hold the stick firmly without breakout board no?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: OBsIV on 01:43 PM - 12/06/18
How much does this thing cost? Does anyone know?

I could 3d print different bodies if the creator tossed me some STLs
It cost 100 Euro + shipping
I did work for many years on this project, and I'm not really up to sharing files now, after all hours I did put in it.

G502Killer's intentions were good of course, but, if you have any aspirations to make this into a retail product, then, you shouldn't share any sources whatsoever unless the people are sharing with are under an NDA contract and you have some prior knowledge about them.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 02:04 PM - 12/06/18
You cant protect the Azeron. I could go to a shop here and have all parts scanned for a couple of hundred Euros. In fact Imants doesnít have to protect it. An analogue device is completely uninteresting to PC industry. Its because games 99% support mouse and WASD OR the controller but not both analog walking and mouse. I tried it almost never works. So Razer and the others will make a D-pads which are useless.
I think its clever to have a price that simply is making the print and build uninteresting.
I still think you should do it Obs and do arangements with Imants. This thing is THE XIM device we all dreamt about. Well me and W11ce LOL

Proof is, there is not a single analoge keypad out there. G18 has just been taken from market.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 04:11 PM - 12/06/18
I agree that Imants should protect his product. Sharing files may be for noble reasons, but this is years of his work. We should be happy to offer feedback and to find a product that slots really well into our niche.

As a left-hander, analog gamepads have never been a viable option for me before. Nav is ambidextrous, but no mice exist to pair with a Nav to cover all buttons, aside from the Lefty Naga, which isn't a good mouse. I found Nav to be uncomfortable and clumsy to use, so I'm surprised that I adapted to analog movement on Azeron within a couple of hours.

Thanks for taking the feedback on-board Imants. If you can offer longer ranges on the finger sliders and an improved thumbstick, you're going to open up Azeron to a broader spectrum of ages, abilities and devices.

An adjustable wrist / palm rest would also be a great option, but that's a harder puzzle to solve mechanically and aesthetically (shorter finger sliders would solve some of that). The first thing I noticed when unboxing Azeron were the lines and smooth matte finish on the wrist rest and it'd be a shame to ruin that. The metal base, cable sleeves, colour-matched LEDs and soft-touch switches also lend an air of quality to Azeron  :D

In a perfect world I'd like the palm rest shallower, but I can get around that by either sitting up straighter, sliding my palm further forward, or dialling up the height of my arm rest. Again, it's only a matter of 10mm or so between comfortable and fitting like a glove. It's the same for mice - 115mm is perfect for my fingertip grip, 125mm is too big.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:09 PM - 12/06/18
He should and will not share his files as he said. Protecting the design of the device would cost about 30K for for Europe and over a 100K worldwide and still the Chinese could just copy it. To earn that money fast he would need to make molds and have it done in China, another 50K maybe. Now look at Obsiv, why do you think is he assembling and doing the Apex PCB in the US? Chinese use your molds while you don't need them or copy them.  Look at the market. There is no demand for such a device. As I said mouse and analog stick at once on PC - not possible only 8 way which is ugly. On Consoles, people use controllers, no demand for an Azeron. Its really only us Ximmers who really need it, a niche. Imants did not even know the XIM before I found him. I didn’t even found him but the other guy did not drag him into here. The brain of the device was on this site by W11ce for years, it was running in the N52te mod it just has a different pinout that everyone can find out. I now even run W11ces bare XIM code as I dont need the Bells and whistles of the Azeron software and I fear it makes the Azeron slower.  How could you protect the code? You can not.
His only chance is to keep the device cheap so its not worth for others to build it. If it was 300 Euro I would start building it myself.  His other chance is that a firm like Razer may not copy it, as  Imants could give out his files for printing any time and no one would buy the retail.
The only logical way would be to partner with someone who wants to sell the device. The only one that makes sense is Obsiv but he is not interested. I mean he is interested in the device but he does not want to market it. Also I think Imants has too much fun designing and assembling this baby.

For changes, yes he listens! At first he did not take my advice from medical /anatomical view but he does try, prototype and if its better he adopts it. So there will be ergonomic changes to the device to make it even more comfy to use. Right now you don't even feel its necessary but after the changes it will be a big difference. As I understand it will be possible to upgrade Azerons out there. Not sure Imants will tell us I guess.
Its evolving, its great, buy two of them, put one on the shelf, if you are a lefty buy three, it may be gone one day like the N52te and the G13. Support Imants by buying the upgrades if he gets some out. His prices are great.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 10:40 PM - 12/06/18
It doesnít matter how Imants got here, he is here, heís generating some sales and heís accepting feedback. That doesnít give us any right to access his files, which is absolutely fair.

As long as he can demonstrate copyright of the Azeron and keeps his IP to himself, thatís all the protection needed at this stage. Itís a niche product and I donít see a big enough market for IP thieves to come sniffing.

Hopefully Imants sells enough to warrant patent protection, thatís not a bad problem to have :) If console games continue to prod for digital input, Azeron should be a great solution to that problem.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:49 PM - 12/06/18
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It doesnít matter how Imants got here, he is here,

Absolutely, just wanted to point out that he didnít know this here is his niche.

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Hopefully Imants sells enough to warrant patent protection

Patent what? an analoge joystick used by the thumb or switches that are pressed by fingertips? I wrote up there that it would cost a 130K to protect it. But thatís not true, there is nothing to protect. Only thing is the name of the device which could be changed to "switches with a stick" any time.

So lets focus on ideas to make the Azeron even better.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 10:54 PM - 12/06/18
So lets focus on ideas to make the Azeron even better.
Agreed. The only way to improve a product is to get it into peopleís hands. Imants has found a willing and able testbed in Xim users :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:55 PM - 12/06/18
Be sure he knows now.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:48 PM - 12/07/18
Here is the 10mm I, wait for it, printed myself! I am very proud of this being my second print and not the first I shredded the printing surface by forgetting to level the plate after moving the printer. Already ordered an autoleveling device.

10mm looks about right for me. 12 was OK but a bit too narrow, even got warm in there lol. Big fingers I guess could go down to 8mm but not less imho.

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36288342/IMG_6283.jpg)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: G502Killer on 03:38 AM - 12/08/18
For the record I 100% understand why you would want to keep STL files to yourself. As someone who has attempted to design a project like this - and failed until deciding to focus on school until the end of the semester - I know how much work it is and how much of the design value is in those files.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 06:44 AM - 12/08/18
Here is the 10mm I, wait for it, printed myself! I am very proud of this being my second print and not the first I shredded the printing surface by forgetting to level the plate after moving the printer. Already ordered an autoleveling device.

10mm looks about right for me. 12 was OK but a bit too narrow, even got warm in there lol. Big fingers I guess could go down to 8mm but not less imho.

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36288342/IMG_6283.jpg)


Imants ... I hope you are not listening to this lol.

That would destroy my ability to use The Azeron, it might suit you roads but everyones hand is not the same as yours.
The switches on the Azeron are super sensitive and if you move a finger to press a switch and another finger twitches ... it will trigger a wrong switch.

Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Balor1712 on 12:09 PM - 12/08/18
Flashed the Teensy and code is fine very responsive.

Instructions: install arduino, install Teensyduino after starting arduino once. Three files have to be in one folder, Arduino wants to put the ino file in a sketch folder, move the other two files there also. In arduino Board choose Teensy ++2.0, USB Type keyboard+mouse+joystickand port choose the Azeron. Press reset button, compile and upload.

Yeah, where so I copy/paste the code? I just keep getting errors anytime I try (mostly about Teensy ++2.0

Edit: Since Imants is going to include this code in the new firmware I will just wait. I donít know anything about Arduino and I donít want to completely flash the azeron. As it stands the azeron is cool but the joystick control is awful. It is pretty much 8 way directional.

It does feel great though. Right when someone with better knowledge than me can get the joystick feeling good it will be my go to peripheral.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: chad20 on 11:37 AM - 12/10/18
I bought 2 ps4 analog sticks for $7.19 from amazon. How much could that possibly raise the price? I would think that the ps4 or Xbox stick would be the way to go. Or am I wrong?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: G502Killer on 01:53 PM - 12/10/18
I bought 2 ps4 analog sticks for $7.19 from amazon. How much could that possibly raise the price? I would think that the ps4 or Xbox stick would be the way to go. Or am I wrong?

They're much cheaper on aliexpress too. They don't really raise the price at all, but they raise the production difficulty because they don't come on a breakout board. It isn't a big issue when you're 3d printing stuff though.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: YOUDID on 07:37 PM - 12/16/18
Haven't heard anything from you guys lately.....how the azeron working for ya? Still can't order one, guess he can't get parts.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Gamer4life on 07:39 PM - 12/16/18
Haven't heard anything from you guys lately.....how the azeron working for ya? Still can't order one, guess he can't get parts.

I donít know about the ones who have received theirs already, but mine shipped December 7, and Iím excited!!!!!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: YOUDID on 07:44 PM - 12/16/18
Haven't heard anything from you guys lately.....how the azeron working for ya? Still can't order one, guess he can't get parts.

I donít know about the ones who have received theirs already, but mine shipped December 7, and Iím excited!!!!!

When did you order it?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Balor1712 on 11:43 PM - 12/16/18
Haven't heard anything from you guys lately.....how the azeron working for ya? Still can't order one, guess he can't get parts.
Iím not using it until there is a more detailed list of instructions to edit the code or the firmware is updated with the lastest code. The joystick feel is godawful. It feels like I am using a crude version of wasd.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Gamer4life on 06:22 AM - 12/17/18
Haven't heard anything from you guys lately.....how the azeron working for ya? Still can't order one, guess he can't get parts.

I donít know about the ones who have received theirs already, but mine shipped December 7, and Iím excited!!!!!

When did you order it?

November 19
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Gamer4life on 06:28 AM - 12/17/18
Haven't heard anything from you guys lately.....how the azeron working for ya? Still can't order one, guess he can't get parts.
Iím not using it until there is a more detailed list of instructions to edit the code or the firmware is updated with the lastest code. The joystick feel is godawful. It feels like I am using a crude version of wasd.

Oh no, thatís not good news since I purchased primarily for the joystick. Anybody else have a similar opinion about the stick movement?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 08:04 AM - 12/17/18
Haven't heard anything from you guys lately.....how the azeron working for ya? Still can't order one, guess he can't get parts.
Iím not using it until there is a more detailed list of instructions to edit the code or the firmware is updated with the lastest code. The joystick feel is godawful. It feels like I am using a crude version of wasd.

Oh no, thatís not good news since I purchased primarily for the joystick. Anybody else have a similar opinion about the stick movement?

Well I've been playing with the Azeron for a month and I don't understand how anyone could relate the stick movement to "a crude version of wasd"  ... unless the side button has been pressed that changes it from joystick mode? ... 2 leds = Joystick .... 1 led = keyboard.


The stick maybe feels a bit stiff to me but the analogue stick definitely gives true analogue movement
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Balor1712 on 01:01 PM - 12/17/18
I mean a crude version as in it is pretty evident you donít have good control on moving in a range from 0-360. It nearly feels like I am moving in 45 degree increments (w, wa, etc). It does not feel anything like a regular controller joystick in game. 

Yes, it is definitely analog which is awsome. And at the moment maybe it is good for single player. But is does not work well for something like COD or BF.

I know that there is the updated code that needs to be implemented into the update. You can also mess with the DZ in the software. But I will wait for someone to get the stick useable for a pvp setting.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:19 PM - 12/17/18
Balor, have you updated to W11cE's code? The directional movement is much improved over the default Azeron firmware.

Gamer4life, the analog movement is fine. It's not as granular as a PS4 or XB1 controller, likely due to being stiffer, but it is much better than WASD for directional movement at variable speed.

It's the other stick that needs fine control and XIM takes care of that.



Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Gamer4life on 03:40 PM - 12/17/18
Balor, have you updated to W11cE's code? The directional movement is much improved over the default Azeron firmware.

Gamer4life, the analog movement is fine. It's not as granular as a PS4 or XB1 controller, likely due to being stiffer, but it is much better than WASD for directional movement at variable speed.

It's the other stick that needs fine control and XIM takes care of that.

Thanks for the update glad to hear its a decent analog stick. I cant wait to try it myself!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Balor1712 on 03:59 PM - 12/17/18
Balor, have you updated to W11cE's code? The directional movement is much improved over the default Azeron firmware.

Gamer4life, the analog movement is fine. It's not as granular as a PS4 or XB1 controller, likely due to being stiffer, but it is much better than WASD for directional movement at variable speed.

It's the other stick that needs fine control and XIM takes care of that.

I have what the latest firmware is (which I thought introduced W11cEís second to latest code in it).

I have installed adruino and teensyarduino but have absolutely no clue how to paste the code into it. I run into an error every time.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 04:32 PM - 12/17/18
Ya I don't think the stick is bad.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Balor1712 on 09:25 PM - 12/17/18
New firmware and software has been released. The stick does feel better. I will tinker around with the sens and deadzone now.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: YOUDID on 07:25 AM - 12/22/18
Got the word that they are back in stock. I just ordered the mini.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Gamer4life on 08:15 AM - 12/22/18
Still awaiting delivery of mine. Itís been sitting in ISC New York since December 18 :o. Doesnít look like I will receive it until after the holidays if at all since this place has some customs horror stories.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Markie_X on 08:34 AM - 12/22/18
I received mine yesterday (friday), it was shipped on monday (4 days delivery from Letland to the Netherlands)

Having build three 3d printer myself i must say i was very much impressed with the finished product, this comes very close to a injection mold finish. The weight of the Azeron feels like quality (heavy), i also like the tactile feedback of the keys/buttons/switches. The joystick uses the right spring stifness that i like, the abiltity to setup the length of each individual finger/thumb tree is brilliant.
The Azeron is next level, after 10 years of G13 usage this is a welcome next step for me.

Thank you Roads for the tip and thank you Imants (and your team) for making such a brilliant product.

I'll post some feedback after i had some time with the Azeron in game but first impressions are very very good.

(https://i.ibb.co/qjkMbRH/Azeron.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g9zMsD0)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 03:03 PM - 12/22/18
Still awaiting delivery of mine. Itís been sitting in ISC New York since December 18 :o. Doesnít look like I will receive it until after the holidays if at all since this place has some customs horror stories.
Its not first time like that, I recommended visit Post Office and ask about Your packet. That did work out couple times before for some customers. There should not be any custom's as packet is marked as a gift with 15Ä value.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: redacted on 03:35 PM - 12/22/18
One of those moments when I wish I had about $150 USD to spare...
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:42 PM - 12/22/18
Any update on the analog stick and more adjustable finger sliders Imants?

I'm very keen to buy the Compact, but would rather wait if there's another design revision on the way.

Also, will there be a right-hand Compact model available for left-handers?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: PinnieTHEwooH on 03:44 PM - 12/22/18
I've been using the Azeron for a few weeks now. It was a bit difficult in the beginning to get used to it but now... Omfg.  It's a blessing. It fits my hand perfectly. Playing BFv I can do anything without stopping my movements. I don't find the words describing it but it beats any keyboard I've ever used.
 Keep up the good work Imants. You're sitting on a pile of gold with this.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 05:00 PM - 12/22/18
Any update on the analog stick and more adjustable finger sliders Imants?

I'm very keen to buy the Compact, but would rather wait if there's another design revision on the way.

Also, will there be a right-hand Compact model available for left-handers?
Still waiting test sticks I have ordered, but as soon I will figure out with them and breakout boards I will put them in store, so anyone can order to replace existing one.
Adjustable sliders, I do working on couple ideas, but that is far from anything what I would call a product. As well working on other thinks like new palm-rest. Actually I have lot id ideas I would like to put in next one and by getting more feedback's I can find even more what could be improved in next one. But as there is so many thinks I want to do and many thinks still need to do from scratch it absolutely wont come out any time soon.
Compact version are possible to get for left-handers, I simply don't have any right-hand version assembled for pictures :)
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Post by: antithesis on 06:42 PM - 12/22/18
Thanks Imants.

Is the 5-directional button near the thumbpad part of the break-out board, and is it possible to add this onto an original Azeron if we buy a new thumbstick?

Are the more adjustable sliders possible as custom jobs, or will they possible to purchases as add-ons at a later date?

Definitely want to get my (right) hand on a Compact, they look fantastic!
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Post by: Azeron on 07:23 PM - 12/22/18
Thanks Imants.

Is the 5-directional button near the thumbpad part of the break-out board, and is it possible to add this onto an original Azeron if we buy a new thumbstick?

Are the more adjustable sliders possible as custom jobs, or will they possible to purchases as add-ons at a later date?

Definitely want to get my (right) hand on a Compact, they look fantastic!
5 Way directional pad are not on breakout board, it stays as separate switch there, but there is no way You can fit it in previous thumb-stick corpus, changes are to big.
These sliders will come just in next revision, no upgrade option (at least I did not plan it) because there will be changes in base plate attaching, towers changing a lot to make them possible to fit on new system, You just cannot put old towers on them. Of course, I cant say all that fore sure, as there lot can change from that how I see it now..
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Post by: Gamer4life on 08:43 PM - 12/22/18
Still awaiting delivery of mine. Itís been sitting in ISC New York since December 18 :o. Doesnít look like I will receive it until after the holidays if at all since this place has some customs horror stories.
Its not first time like that, I recommended visit Post Office and ask about Your packet. That did work out couple times before for some customers. There should not be any custom's as packet is marked as a gift with 15Ä value.

Hey thanks for the feedback Imants, Iíll give it a try Monday.
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Post by: antithesis on 11:46 PM - 12/22/18
5 Way directional pad are not on breakout board, it stays as separate switch there, but there is no way You can fit it in previous thumb-stick corpus, changes are to big.

These sliders will come just in next revision, no upgrade option (at least I did not plan it) because there will be changes in base plate attaching, towers changing a lot to make them possible to fit on new system, You just cannot put old towers on them. Of course, I cant say all that fore sure, as there lot can change from that how I see it now..
Not a problem Imants, thanks for the update.

Super-tempted to get the Compact (love that d-pad button), but I'll wait it out for the slider revision. Do you have any estimate on when that may happen? I'm happy to wait and a rough estimate will do just fine :)

In the meantime, I'll update Azeron to the latest firmware to test the revised thumbpad code.
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Post by: Azeron on 12:04 AM - 12/23/18
5 Way directional pad are not on breakout board, it stays as separate switch there, but there is no way You can fit it in previous thumb-stick corpus, changes are to big.

These sliders will come just in next revision, no upgrade option (at least I did not plan it) because there will be changes in base plate attaching, towers changing a lot to make them possible to fit on new system, You just cannot put old towers on them. Of course, I cant say all that fore sure, as there lot can change from that how I see it now..
Not a problem Imants, thanks for the update.

Super-tempted to get the Compact (love that d-pad button), but I'll wait it out for the slider revision. Do you have any estimate on when that may happen? I'm happy to wait and a rough estimate will do just fine :)

In the meantime, I'll update Azeron to the latest firmware to test the revised thumbpad code.
I really don't want too put out any estimate on next revision, it is to raw at this stage, to say that.It may take year or more with all testings and polishing. I will update, when we will have some normal working prototype and will go in testing phase ;)
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Post by: Gamer4life on 08:28 PM - 12/24/18
Santa came through and delivered mine today!
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Post by: YOUDID on 12:39 AM - 12/25/18
Santa came through and delivered mine today!

Well how you like it?
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Post by: antithesis on 07:10 AM - 12/25/18
Be sure to update the Azeron firmware and Merry Xmas! I'm really glad I got mine before Christmas :)
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Post by: Au1d Yin on 07:57 AM - 12/25/18
Be sure to update the Azeron firmware and Merry Xmas! I'm really glad I got mine before Christmas :)

Did you update the firmware, and if so did you feel any change in stick movement?
I thought all Azerons shipped after November came with the latest firmware ... did Imants change to W11ces latest code revision?
Oh and I couldn't help myself ... I just had to order the mini version, that d-pad was irresistable  :)
I had a few questions for Imants, and he is just so helpful and creative at coming up with solutions for problems ... I've been gaming for  *"donkeys" years and this gamepad is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow ;D
*I always had the highest score on the "Donkey Kong" tabletop machine in my local pub  LOL !


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Post by: roads on 09:10 AM - 12/25/18
Yeah me too.
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Post by: Balor1712 on 01:23 PM - 12/25/18
Be sure to update the Azeron firmware and Merry Xmas! I'm really glad I got mine before Christmas :)

Did you update the firmware, and if so did you feel any change in stick movement?
I thought all Azerons shipped after November came with the latest firmware ... did Imants change to W11ces latest code revision?
Oh and I couldn't help myself ... I just had to order the mini version, that d-pad was irresistable  :)
I had a few questions for Imants, and he is just so helpful and creative at coming up with solutions for problems ... I've been gaming for  *"donkeys" years and this gamepad is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow ;D
*I always had the highest score on the "Donkey Kong" tabletop machine in my local pub  LOL !
A new firmware update was released early last week. So unless yours was just ordered you will need to update the firmware.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Gamer4life on 03:00 PM - 12/25/18
Santa came through and delivered mine today!

Well how you like it?

Trying to get used to it. I donít have a pc only a Mac laptop but I believe I was able to update the firmware. I canít do anything software wise. Also when I plug in the xim for the first time it gets stuck on up and I canít move for a couple of seconds.
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Post by: Au1d Yin on 03:31 PM - 12/25/18
Yeah me too.

Couldn't resist the d-pad ... or you were drinking in the bar and playing Donkey Kong in the early 80's lol ... merry xmas :)
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Post by: BigBen on 02:08 AM - 12/26/18
I am awaiting my compact so in the meantime I have a few questions for other Azeron users:

How is it compared to the NAV ? Do you all you use the joystick in joystick mode or WASD ? What is your config ? Do you adjust the joystick deadzone ? What buttons do you use for which fuction ? Do you all use it as your daily driver (I read some post that some still dont use in multiplayer/blackout)

Any tips & tricks for new users ?

I know a lot of questions, I hope you will take the time to answer them and give new users a head start.

Thanks in advance
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Post by: YOUDID on 12:47 PM - 12/28/18
Yay....got my shipping notification today. How long did it take to get yours once shipped.
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Post by: S13002931 on 01:52 PM - 12/28/18
Hi Azeron

Will compact model ship with new joystick  ?


Thanks
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Post by: Gamer4life on 02:42 PM - 12/28/18
Yay....got my shipping notification today. How long did it take to get yours once shipped.

2 weeks for me in the US north east.
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Post by: Azeron on 03:03 PM - 12/28/18
Hi Azeron

Will compact model ship with new joystick  ?


Thanks
No, they are the same, I did order 5 different type to find best one, but they still didn't arrive jet.
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Post by: Azeron on 09:18 PM - 12/28/18
(https://i.ibb.co/kSLvQCG/IMG-2057-Edit.jpg) (https://www.facebook.com/Azeron.Gaming.Keypad/photos/gm.2241021062854046/1941063802856328/?type=3&theater&ifg=1)
Tower braided cables have matching colors now, at the moment just for blue, green, red and magenta, more colors coming soon.
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Post by: antithesis on 12:33 AM - 12/29/18
Looks great Imants!
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Post by: S13002931 on 04:24 PM - 12/29/18
Looks great Imants!

Hi. Are you using  Joystick for movement or  Keys ?

Thanks
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Post by: Azeron on 05:16 PM - 12/29/18
Looks great Imants!

Hi. Are you using  Joystick for movement or  Keys ?

Thanks
Joystick, as whole point is there, using just thumb for movement and free up rest of fingers for skill use.
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Post by: antithesis on 06:03 PM - 12/29/18
Looks great Imants!

Hi. Are you using  Joystick for movement or  Keys ?

Thanks
Joystick.

I bought Azeron because if I didn't like joystick movement I could fall back to buttons for movement. However, adapting to the joystick only took a couple of hours and frees up a tonne of buttons for actions.
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Post by: parjn on 03:08 AM - 01/01/19
I just put in my order for the original azeron (I don't much care for the d-pad on the compact, and I think I might like those extra buttons on the towers). Also I'm new to xim apex, wish I thought of the Azeron before I got the corsair mechanical keyboard last week, but since I won't get the Azeron for (I'm assuming) like 4 months, I suppose the keyboard will do for now to play SWBF 2 on with the PS4.

I can't wait, I'll probably be like a kid opening his coveted present on his birthday when I get it.
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Post by: roads on 06:44 AM - 01/01/19
4 months? nahh...
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Post by: Azeron on 07:27 AM - 01/01/19
4 months? nahh...
Two months are more likely (with shipping)
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Post by: parjn on 02:20 PM - 01/01/19
Maybe I just said 4 months so that I'll think I get it sooner! haha, win, win in my opinion.
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Post by: piiwii on 11:58 PM - 01/01/19
This device leaves me with all sorts of weird feelings. I'm used to these indie projects being announced, then delayed for 1-2-3-4 years, if they come out at all. I come into this thread and see it's announced and freaking being shipped out. What is this insanity? These guys actually have their act together? I'm keeping a close eye on this one. Very curious to see how it evolves.
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Post by: Au1d Yin on 11:32 AM - 01/02/19
This device leaves me with all sorts of weird feelings. I'm used to these indie projects being announced, then delayed for 1-2-3-4 years, if they come out at all. I come into this thread and see it's announced and freaking being shipped out. What is this insanity? These guys actually have their act together? I'm keeping a close eye on this one. Very curious to see how it evolves.

Kinda looks like it might eat your hand lol, but this gamepad is adjustable in so many ways .... best gaming device I've ever bought. Having 3 easy click switches at your fingertips and 4 on the index finger is amazing once you adapt to the change.
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Post by: S13002931 on 02:51 PM - 01/02/19
Hi,  where d-pad is located on Compact-Azeron  ? Some photos can be nice.

I will buy one , just waiting to hear about new joystick mod
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Post by: Balor1712 on 04:31 PM - 01/02/19
Pics were posted on the previous page. It is above the thumbstick.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Gamer4life on 04:34 PM - 01/02/19
Every time I start up the Azeron it shows Ďbutton upí on the xim apex manager and I canít move until I press the button at the base of the unit which turns one light off. Then I press it again and I can move again. Also, the Ďkeyboardí buttons are super sensitive. I did adapt to it but then I noticed if I press the button,for example, to crouch in Pubg sometimes I would go prone( which would be right if I held the button down) but I only clicked once quickly. Not long after that I was inputting my credit card numbers into the Microsoft store to buy a game and the numbers were doubling up after every click. Thatís when I realized that it wasnít in my head and my unit was double clicking.

I have since returned to using a keyboard as I primarily play PubG which is a very tactical game and when those battles happen I need my devices to be responsive and accurate to my inputs. Also the position of the analog stick forces me to extend my thumb all the way forward and have to stop to reposition my thumb at times because of this extension.

The Azeron, in my opinion, is leaning on the novelty side at the moment. If your playing single player games it my be something to invest in. But if you are playing competive multiplayer and only enough money to either purchase this or a keyboard I highly recommend a new keyboard. Just my thoughts.
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Post by: parjn on 11:08 PM - 01/02/19
you were typing your credit card numbers using the azeron?! That blows my mind dude...
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Post by: Gamer4life on 11:44 PM - 01/02/19
you were typing your credit card numbers using the azeron?! That blows my mind dude...

Whyís that, I used my controller to do the same thing... never mind I see what your getting at. A poor choice of words.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 11:26 AM - 01/03/19
Every time I start up the Azeron it shows Ďbutton upí on the xim apex manager and I canít move until I press the button at the base of the unit which turns one light off. Then I press it again and I can move again. Also, the Ďkeyboardí buttons are super sensitive. I did adapt to it but then I noticed if I press the button,for example, to crouch in Pubg sometimes I would go prone( which would be right if I held the button down) but I only clicked once quickly. Not long after that I was inputting my credit card numbers into the Microsoft store to buy a game and the numbers were doubling up after every click. Thatís when I realized that it wasnít in my head and my unit was double clicking.

I have since returned to using a keyboard as I primarily play PubG which is a very tactical game and when those battles happen I need my devices to be responsive and accurate to my inputs. Also the position of the analog stick forces me to extend my thumb all the way forward and have to stop to reposition my thumb at times because of this extension.

The Azeron, in my opinion, is leaning on the novelty side at the moment. If your playing single player games it my be something to invest in. But if you are playing competive multiplayer and only enough money to either purchase this or a keyboard I highly recommend a new keyboard. Just my thoughts.
That double clicking I had once too, it gone when I change switch, so I assume it is a switch fail, You can return keypad and I will fix that by changing that switch.
You have to extended you thumb even on closest thumbstick position?
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Post by: Gamer4life on 01:42 PM - 01/03/19
Every time I start up the Azeron it shows Ďbutton upí on the xim apex manager and I canít move until I press the button at the base of the unit which turns one light off. Then I press it again and I can move again. Also, the Ďkeyboardí buttons are super sensitive. I did adapt to it but then I noticed if I press the button,for example, to crouch in Pubg sometimes I would go prone( which would be right if I held the button down) but I only clicked once quickly. Not long after that I was inputting my credit card numbers into the Microsoft store to buy a game and the numbers were doubling up after every click. Thatís when I realized that it wasnít in my head and my unit was double clicking.

I have since returned to using a keyboard as I primarily play PubG which is a very tactical game and when those battles happen I need my devices to be responsive and accurate to my inputs. Also the position of the analog stick forces me to extend my thumb all the way forward and have to stop to reposition my thumb at times because of this extension.

The Azeron, in my opinion, is leaning on the novelty side at the moment. If your playing single player games it my be something to invest in. But if you are playing competive multiplayer and only enough money to either purchase this or a keyboard I highly recommend a new keyboard. Just my thoughts.
That double clicking I had once too, it gone when I change switch, so I assume it is a switch fail, You can return keypad and I will fix that by changing that switch.
You have to extended you thumb even on closest thumbstick position?

Hey Imants, until you posted this I had no idea the analog stick section moved back. I placed it in the back position and now it feels perfect. As far as returning the product, I will send you a message through my Etsy account later or tomorrow. I have never sent mail outside of my country so maybe you can give me details.

I will close this message by saying you have earned my utmost respect by coming on here and trouble shooting this issue with me and I take back what I said about the thumb stick extension. Simple user error and now it works great. Thanks again!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: BigBen on 01:31 AM - 01/04/19
Like many on this forum I have boxes full of game gear, sometimes I wonder what I like more, tinkering with new gear or playingÖ..
When I read about the Azeron I just had to order. I played with the Azeron Compact for 1,5 day now and here are my findings.

First of all the device looks great !
I am a Sony NAV player so I always had to go for a mouse with enough buttons, thatís not needed anymore! I love it.
Also to be able to push all possible buttons (combinations) without moving my fingers is great, this is a huge advantage of the Azeron.
The buttons are also really responsive with distinguished clicks, I like it !

The joystick is usable really fast, fine movements will take some time to build up muscle memory though.
I bound sprint to my pinky as the button of the joystick is too hard to easily press for me. Especially in blackout (going trough windows) this will take some time to getting used to.

Of course I had to readjust which is not always easy at age 48, also after playing a few hours my left hand was cramped. 

My biggest problem is the with palm wrest, it just doesnít fit my hand and hearts after a few hours of playing.
Maybe I just need to get used to new pressure points but I think I am going to try some moldable plastic to see if I can make it a better fit to my hand.

Overall I am really satisfied with this device, great build quality and feel.

Great job @Imants.

PS; changeable wrist rests would be great !
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Post by: Au1d Yin on 06:41 AM - 01/04/19
Like many on this forum I have boxes full of game gear, sometimes I wonder what I like more, tinkering with new gear or playingÖ..
When I read about the Azeron I just had to order. I played with the Azeron Compact for 1,5 day now and here are my findings.

First of all the device looks great !
I am a Sony NAV player so I always had to go for a mouse with enough buttons, thatís not needed anymore! I love it.
Also to be able to push all possible buttons (combinations) without moving my fingers is great, this is a huge advantage of the Azeron.
The buttons are also really responsive with distinguished clicks, I like it !

The joystick is usable really fast, fine movements will take some time to build up muscle memory though.
I bound sprint to my pinky as the button of the joystick is too hard to easily press for me. Especially in blackout (going trough windows) this will take some time to getting used to.

Of course I had to readjust which is not always easy at age 48, also after playing a few hours my left hand was cramped. 

My biggest problem is the with palm wrest, it just doesnít fit my hand and hearts after a few hours of playing.
Maybe I just need to get used to new pressure points but I think I am going to try some moldable plastic to see if I can make it a better fit to my hand.

Overall I am really satisfied with this device, great build quality and feel.

Great job @Imants.

PS; changeable wrist rests would be great !

I can relate to all the things you say apart from being 48 ... you're still a youngster lol.

The palm rest builds up well with mouldable plastic ... I used black "Polydoh". I just used enough to get a curve in the shape of my hand and get rid of the lip at the left which hurt my hand. Tried to do it without affecting the thumb height too much.

About the sprint button .. if you play at a desk have you thought about using a foot switch for sprinting? I started using one last year and I'd be lost without it now ... it works really well, especially if you make a sub config to activate with the foot switch, and assign sprint and forward movement to the same as the activation key.

Still waiting for the compact to arrive ... how does the d-pad feel for hitting the direction you want?
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Post by: BigBen on 07:49 AM - 01/04/19
Au1d Yin,

Yes my hand hearts also on the left side of the palm rest, will see what moldable plastic does.
Concerning the D-pad, it works, I have no issue at all adjusting to it, I play in the dark (on a home cinema screen) so I can't even look at it but really easy to find.
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Post by: etb on 09:41 AM - 01/04/19
if they make a wireless powerglove style version and I'm sold.
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Post by: MrBrutalFrosty on 11:12 AM - 01/04/19
this looks very "CLLLEEEEAAAN" just read all pages and i must say overall the support and feedback everyoens gave and the response from Azeron has been top notch when the new thumbsticks are in itl be a must have for me looking forward ot joining the club :p
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Post by: YOUDID on 12:09 PM - 01/04/19
just got a shipping update. Its says it has been shipped abroad to america.....guess that means its over the water!!!!
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Post by: BigBen on 01:08 AM - 01/05/19
I also changed my joystick to the domed one, much better !
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Post by: B0wl_of_weed on 12:43 PM - 01/05/19
I ordered the compact i really cant wait any longer haha so excited im a nav user and i feel like this will be just what i was looking for.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: kathandril on 06:44 AM - 01/06/19
I also changed my joystick to the domed one, much better !

Did the dome come with it or was it something you added?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 07:58 AM - 01/06/19
I also changed my joystick to the domed one, much better !

Did the dome come with it or was it something you added?
Dome cap is included.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: kathandril on 12:34 PM - 01/06/19
I also changed my joystick to the domed one, much better !

Did the dome come with it or was it something you added?
Dome cap is included.

You are too good sir.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 10:01 PM - 01/06/19
Anybody else have the Azeron now and can tell what they think about it? I've finally read this whole thread, and just curious for more of what people think.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: BigBen on 01:58 AM - 01/07/19
I think the Azeron is a no brainer especially for NAV users. I am already in love and cannot imagine what happens when I can use the trigegrs without thinking. To be able to activate any function without leaving the joystick and mouse is fantastic. The clicks are also really responsive. I love it !

The only thing I dislike is the palm rest but Imants is already going to make some changes to it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 07:13 AM - 01/07/19
Anybody else have the Azeron now and can tell what they think about it? I've finally read this whole thread, and just curious for more of what people think.
I've been using mine since mid November and I'll never go back to my Orbweaver or G13 now that I've got it set up just right ...it's the best pad I've ever used.
This pad is so adjustable .. I thought I was playing with it set up in it's best position, then I decided to change it to try something different; I moved the stick in closer amd then moved all the finger switches left a bit, and now I've really hit the sweet spot  ...love it !

One thing I've noticed is that now my fingers are relaxed and clicking switches without having to move them around ... my mouse hand has become more relaxed and gliding smoother than before. Maybe it's in my mind but it feels better to me.

Some might not like The Azeron if they expect to jump right in and play without learning to get used to it, but speaking for myself ... it is the best bit of gaming kit that I've ever bought. I also like that it is made by someone who cares about his product, and listens to feedback from customers to try and make it even better :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 07:52 AM - 01/07/19
I almost forget using it. Could be a bit more comfy but I know Imants works on it. We will all buy the next versions of this.
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Post by: parjn on 05:45 PM - 01/07/19
Ah thanks for the replies you guys, I'm so excited to start using it. I'm hoping its so ergonomical for me that I won't need to to worry about anything besides playing the game.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 12:09 PM - 01/08/19
To you guys that have the compact  ... did you just plug and play with apex, or did you have to download the software and set it up?
I'm asking because I received my compact today and when I swapped it out with my original Azeron it didn't register with the Apex.
Also the controller did not function properly ... stick would not work and if I tried to navigate with the d-pad it juddered and would not move along ... it just kept juddering. It feels like there is a stuck button somewhere interfering with it.
Took the compact out and plugged the original Azeron back in and everything works fine with the controller and the old Azeron.
Oh and I tried it with 2 lights and 1 light on the compact, still nothing registers on apex.
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Post by: roads on 12:56 PM - 01/08/19
I will ask Imants for the pinout of the Compact and modify W11ces code. I don't need the PC version and want to keep it as simple as possible. + I trust W11ce when it comes to Teensy.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 09:59 PM - 01/08/19
Au1d Yin flash it again.
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Post by: Jamesbone on 10:14 PM - 01/08/19
Which one should I order compact or original?  Anybody have the compact working with apex?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:22 PM - 01/08/19
Order the compact because of the d-pad. The original is great also. The device changes all the time, its like an Iphone or a Tesla, it just gets better and you buy it when you need it. At the moment I ordered a compact and I will sell the original when it arrives and I will buy again at the next bigger version change.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 10:43 PM - 01/08/19
Wait for confirmation of the Compact working. It's definitely the version to get - the buttons on the Compact are more usable than the towers, and the d-pad makes a huge difference as those buttons are otherwise challenging to bind.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:45 PM - 01/08/19
Itís a Teensy so it works. Its as if you say wait for the Teensy working with the XIM. Its just a Teensy with buttons and sticks attached in a great shell. Teensy is working with the Apex. They are friends thanks to W11ce,
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 10:48 PM - 01/08/19
Itís a Teensy so it works. Its as if you say wait for the Teensy working with the XIM. Its just a Teensy with buttons and sticks attached in a great shell. Teensy is working with the Apex. They are friends thanks to W11ce,
Roger that, however it's still best to wait for confirmation, which we haven't yet got for the Compact.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:51 PM - 01/08/19
W11ce tell them.
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Post by: BigBen on 12:13 AM - 01/09/19
i have the compact and it was working out of the box with the apex. I didn't change anything, works beautifull!
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Post by: antithesis on 12:26 AM - 01/09/19
i have the compact and it was working out of the box with the apex. I didn't change anything, works beautifull!
Glad to hear it, thanks for confirmation.

Flex, get the Compact :)
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Post by: roads on 01:03 AM - 01/09/19
 ::)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 01:49 AM - 01/09/19
Order the compact because of the d-pad. The original is great also. The device changes all the time, its like an Iphone or a Tesla, it just gets better and you buy it when you need it. At the moment I ordered a compact and I will sell the original when it arrives and I will buy again at the next bigger version change.
All keypad now come with 5way d-pad not just compact, so 5 way d-pad should not be a reason to choose compact.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 01:50 AM - 01/09/19
Oh thanks for clarification Imants. Id still oder the compact just more sexy.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jamesbone on 02:36 AM - 01/09/19
i have the compact and it was working out of the box with the apex. I didn't change anything, works beautifull!
Glad to hear it, thanks for confirmation.

Flex, get the Compact :)

Ordering right this second :)
I ordered compact with secondary white colour cant wait!!

This is going to be strange I have always used WASD.  Time for a change :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:01 AM - 01/09/19
I think this is also future-proofing, in case games get more clever with their digital input detection.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ceebs on 03:09 AM - 01/09/19
To you guys that have the compact  ... did you just plug and play with apex, or did you have to download the software and set it up?
I'm asking because I received my compact today and when I swapped it out with my original Azeron it didn't register with the Apex.
Also the controller did not function properly ... stick would not work and if I tried to navigate with the d-pad it juddered and would not move along ... it just kept juddering. It feels like there is a stuck button somewhere interfering with it.
Took the compact out and plugged the original Azeron back in and everything works fine with the controller and the old Azeron.
Oh and I tried it with 2 lights and 1 light on the compact, still nothing registers on apex.
I'm having problems setting up the compact as well, but it may be my lack of knowledge. Sometimes, when I connect it, the cursor within the PS UI moves to the left on it's own and stays there. I can move the cursor up, but not down and to the right, but it always moves back to the left. If I unplug and replug a couple of times, the problem goes away.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:15 AM - 01/09/19
Have you updated the software? There's a slider in there to adjust the stick sensitivity and deadzone. Maybe the stick needs a tweak. I don't know if that'll work though when disconnected from PC.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 03:44 AM - 01/09/19
To you guys that have the compact  ... did you just plug and play with apex, or did you have to download the software and set it up?
I'm asking because I received my compact today and when I swapped it out with my original Azeron it didn't register with the Apex.
Also the controller did not function properly ... stick would not work and if I tried to navigate with the d-pad it juddered and would not move along ... it just kept juddering. It feels like there is a stuck button somewhere interfering with it.
Took the compact out and plugged the original Azeron back in and everything works fine with the controller and the old Azeron.
Oh and I tried it with 2 lights and 1 light on the compact, still nothing registers on apex.
I'm having problems setting up the compact as well, but it may be my lack of knowledge. Sometimes, when I connect it, the cursor within the PS UI moves to the left on it's own and stays there. I can move the cursor up, but not down and to the right, but it always moves back to the left. If I unplug and replug a couple of times, the problem goes away.
I would recommend first re-upload firmware You can download it here azeron.eu/software/ and how to update it is here azeron.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Azeron-Manual-V2.0.pdf page 6
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 04:21 AM - 01/09/19
Any update on new joystick for compact  keypad? Does it have on board memory  to save deadzones   all stuff     so  Computer connection all time isn't necessary?

Also   joysticks for  controllers are widely available  e.g  ps4 dualshock 4 joystick n xbox controller joystick  ?!

Any news ?

Thanks
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Post by: Azeron on 04:23 AM - 01/09/19
And one think, some antivirus software may make problems, try to disable it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 04:33 AM - 01/09/19
Any update on new joystick for compact  keypad? Does it have on board memory  to save deadzones   all stuff     so  Computer connection all time isn't necessary?

Also   joysticks for  controllers are widely available  e.g  ps4 dualshock 4 joystick n xbox controller joystick  ?!

Any news ?

Thanks
Keypad have onboard memory for 2 profiles, all settings will be saved into keypad, no need for PC connections.
Best analog sticks I have tested are xboxone/ps4 but they are different size, so I need new PCB board for them, which was designed today and just made first test order.
So analog stick are ordered already, test boards may be ready in next couple weeks, so new Analog Sticks should be ready in about month or so.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 06:07 AM - 01/09/19
Are making them exchangeable? Meaning people can order the new joysticks from you. Would make sense. Most of us can solder 6 wires or know someone who can.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 06:08 AM - 01/09/19
Thank you very much  Mr Imants.   Please update when they are available to order.

Thanks again
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 06:17 AM - 01/09/19
Are making them exchangeable? Meaning people can order the new joysticks from you. Would make sense. Most of us can solder 6 wires or know someone who can.
Yes, boards for new thumbsticks are designed same size and hole placement as existing one, to make then  changeable. I will offer stick+board in etsy, so every one can get it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 12:29 PM - 01/09/19
Ok so a quick update ... I flashed it with the latest firmware and it now works after getting some .. (lots of:) assistance from Imants ... (I'd try the patience of a saint lol)
First time I started the xbox up the controller still wouldn't work ... I unplugged the Azeron and tried again and after cycling through the Azeron side button presses it works ... don't know why but it does now work.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 12:42 PM - 01/09/19
Quote
I flashed it with the latest firmware and it now works

you really should wait for another confirmation :D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 12:57 PM - 01/09/19
Order the compact because of the d-pad. The original is great also. The device changes all the time, its like an Iphone or a Tesla, it just gets better and you buy it when you need it. At the moment I ordered a compact and I will sell the original when it arrives and I will buy again at the next bigger version change.
All keypad now come with 5way d-pad not just compact, so 5 way d-pad should not be a reason to choose compact.

@azeron if this is true then the original I ordered on new years day will have the d-pad! This is great! Thank you so much! Man I hope you keep getting orders and that you continue to enjoy making your product.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 01:02 PM - 01/09/19
Imants will modify the Compact  pinouts to W11ces code for all that want the minimalistic "XIM only code". He will have it as download on his page. For those who want to flash it themselves. Which is great.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 01:26 PM - 01/09/19
Imants will modify the Compact  pinouts to W11ces code for all that want the minimalistic "XIM only code". He will have it as download on his page. For those who want to flash it themselves. Which is great.
Its will be for download in forum, not in our page I don't want to troubleshoot if something not work with that code.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 01:29 PM - 01/09/19
OK, its for ximmers anyway.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:51 PM - 01/09/19
Ok so a quick update ... I flashed it with the latest firmware and it now works after getting some .. (lots of:) assistance from Imants ... (I'd try the patience of a saint lol)
First time I started the xbox up the controller still wouldn't work ... I unplugged the Azeron and tried again and after cycling through the Azeron side button presses it works ... don't know why but it does now work.
Power drain maybe?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 06:04 PM - 01/09/19
Ok so a quick update ... I flashed it with the latest firmware and it now works after getting some .. (lots of:) assistance from Imants ... (I'd try the patience of a saint lol)
First time I started the xbox up the controller still wouldn't work ... I unplugged the Azeron and tried again and after cycling through the Azeron side button presses it works ... don't know why but it does now work.
Power drain maybe?
I only have a wireless Gpro and the Azeron connected + 2 foot switches, and I always have the lights turned off on my mouse .. (never could see what the attraction was in having a light show under my palm lol)
I don't know if it was some sort of usb hand shake between the Azeron and the Apex, it certainly never happened with the firmware in my 1st Azeron
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 06:08 PM - 01/09/19
Hey, just had a thought ... OBsIV is a G13 user, hmm wonder if he has tried the Azeron?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: chad20 on 06:35 PM - 01/09/19
Just ordered the compact. Canít wait.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:21 PM - 01/09/19
Au1d Yin turn off the led completely with screwdriver. Thatís also why I want W11ces minimalistic firmware, the led just glows faint. With the Azeron firmware it flickered. Not sure if still the case. If that doesnít help it could be a faulty Teensy or a soldering problem.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 11:38 PM - 01/09/19
Hey, just had a thought ... OBsIV is a G13 user, hmm wonder if he has tried the Azeron?

Even no rgb stuff ( Wireless  G pro  RGB  is irrelevant  as its not draining  power from Xim when its wireless)  try  giving  Usb hub an external 5v power ( Powered Usb hub)  ....
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: BigBen on 12:36 AM - 01/10/19
I had to use a power adapter for the Apex to with my compact. Sometime I have to push the button to switch between pc/analog mode but that's it, works everytime with me
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 04:50 AM - 01/10/19
Au1d Yin turn off the led completely with screwdriver. Thatís also why I want W11ces minimalistic firmware, the led just glows faint. With the Azeron firmware it flickered. Not sure if still the case. If that doesnít help it could be a faulty Teensy or a soldering problem.
You now turn off the  leds in the Azeron software ... turn off or dim.
The compact is now working fine after reflashing, I'm going to keep using my original tower Azeron until the new stick becomes available.
I want to adapt it to suit my hand so I'll do it all at the same time when I get the new stick.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 08:49 AM - 01/10/19
Hey roads ... thanks buddy, we now all have the new reduced spacing switches.Only trouble is if I wear a bandage on my finger I will now have to sign off sick from gaming as I can't get my bloody finger in now ;)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: chad20 on 10:27 AM - 01/10/19
Just got a confirmation email from Imants about my order. 34 orders in front of mine so maybe it will come with the updated analog stick if it takes a while. Not sure how long it takes to build.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 12:37 PM - 01/10/19
Just got a confirmation email from Imants about my order. 34 orders in front of mine so maybe it will come with the updated analog stick if it takes a while. Not sure how long it takes to build.
Did you just barely order? I ordered mine on New year's day, so I'm wondering if I'm in front of you, but not by much. I know the d-pad comes on both the original and the compact though, so there's that.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 02:17 PM - 01/10/19
Hey roads ... thanks buddy, we now all have the new reduced spacing switches.Only trouble is if I wear a bandage on my finger I will now have to sign off sick from gaming as I can't get my bloody finger in now ;)

oh my what did you do to that finger? Reduced spacing is better isn't it?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 02:39 PM - 01/10/19
Hey roads ... thanks buddy, we now all have the new reduced spacing switches.Only trouble is if I wear a bandage on my finger I will now have to sign off sick from gaming as I can't get my bloody finger in now ;)

oh my what did you do to that finger? Reduced spacing is better isn't it?

I stuck it up in the air and looked over in your direction lol.
No, it's not better .. it's unusable for me now without hitting a wrong switch .. too tight a space ( for me)
I've been in touch with Imants and he has said I can send it back to have changes made ... great service, and I'm in no rush as I'm loving my original Azeron.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 02:44 PM - 01/10/19
You will get used to it if your main keys are the triggers. Or you have huge hands.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: chad20 on 03:51 PM - 01/10/19
Did you just barely order? I ordered mine on New year's day, so I'm wondering if I'm in front of you, but not by much. I know the d-pad comes on both the original and the compact though, so there's that.


I just ordered mine yesterday so Iím sure you are in front of me.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: OVERDRVRK on 06:07 PM - 01/11/19
Au1d Yin turn off the led completely with screwdriver. Thatís also why I want W11ces minimalistic firmware, the led just glows faint. With the Azeron firmware it flickered. Not sure if still the case. If that doesnít help it could be a faulty Teensy or a soldering problem.
You now turn off the  leds in the Azeron software ... turn off or dim.
The compact is now working fine after reflashing, I'm going to keep using my original tower Azeron until the new stick becomes available.
I want to adapt it to suit my hand so I'll do it all at the same time when I get the new stick.


I got my Compact today. Got the Teensy file from azerun.eu page, reset, rebooted.  Got azeron software up and rolling, can see buttons pressed on screen of PC. 

Plugged into xim, seeing nothing.  Need to try the LED off deal.

What ports "." ".." "..." plug ins are you guys usng?
Thx
BK
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jamesbone on 07:22 PM - 01/11/19
Did you just barely order? I ordered mine on New year's day, so I'm wondering if I'm in front of you, but not by much. I know the d-pad comes on both the original and the compact though, so there's that.


I just ordered mine yesterday so Iím sure you are in front of me.


I ordered mine 2 days ago imants told me I had 31 orders in front of me and I'll probably get my keypad mid February.  I dont mind the wait :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Rain1dog on 10:52 PM - 01/11/19
This looks incredible
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:54 PM - 01/11/19
it is incredible, design is genius.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 07:10 AM - 01/12/19
Hi Azeron

Any orders placed for Compact Keypad from today 12/01/2019, will those ship with new joystick mod ?

Thanks
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 07:35 AM - 01/12/19
Au1d Yin turn off the led completely with screwdriver. Thatís also why I want W11ces minimalistic firmware, the led just glows faint. With the Azeron firmware it flickered. Not sure if still the case. If that doesnít help it could be a faulty Teensy or a soldering problem.
You now turn off the  leds in the Azeron software ... turn off or dim.
The compact is now working fine after reflashing, I'm going to keep using my original tower Azeron until the new stick becomes available.
I want to adapt it to suit my hand so I'll do it all at the same time when I get the new stick.


I got my Compact today. Got the Teensy file from azerun.eu page, reset, rebooted.  Got azeron software up and rolling, can see buttons pressed on screen of PC. 

Plugged into xim, seeing nothing.  Need to try the LED off deal.

What ports "." ".." "..." plug ins are you guys usng?
Thx
BK
I wouldn't turn the leds off until you get it up and running .. you will want to know if you are in joystick or keyboard mode, and in any case i don't think the leds affect this.

The problem I had was that my controller was not working properly when the compact was plugged in, and the compact didn't register with Apex .. if I plugged my original Azeron in, the controller worked fine.
I unplugged the compact and tried again ... pushed the switch on the side of the compact and cycled through the leds a couple of times, then left it on the 2 leds. Waggled the compact analogue stick then waggled the xbox left stick till menus moved on my home page and it now works ... haven't a clue how.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 12:28 PM - 01/12/19
Hi Azeron

Any orders placed for Compact Keypad from today 12/01/2019, will those ship with new joystick mod ?

Thanks
Most likely yes.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Rain1dog on 01:59 PM - 01/12/19
Has anyone used this for CoD Blackout?  I just bought the G502 and Iím looking at the g13 or this for my keyboard.  Honestly this looks amazing for what I want.

Also how long of a wait is it for somebody in New Orleans with shipping?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 03:25 PM - 01/12/19
Has anyone used this for CoD Blackout?  I just bought the G502 and Iím looking at the g13 or this for my keyboard.  Honestly this looks amazing for what I want.

Also how long of a wait is it for somebody in New Orleans with shipping?
8-10 weeks as I can get on making just at end of February + about 4 weeks for shipping.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Rain1dog on 05:16 PM - 01/12/19
Hey, thank you for the reply.  Iím a right handed person but I game with the thumbstick(Navigation) in my left hand and the mouse in my right.  I saw a video with this exact set up, Iím leaving the question up though just to make sure.

Is it possible to get this device with a set up where my left hand would be operating it?  Then what is the difference between the compact and regular?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 09:52 PM - 01/12/19
Hey, thank you for the reply.  Iím a right handed person but I game with the thumbstick(Navigation) in my left hand and the mouse in my right.  I saw a video with this exact set up, Iím leaving the question up though just to make sure.

Is it possible to get this device with a set up where my left hand would be operating it?  Then what is the difference between the compact and regular?

There actually is a left handed azeron for this so I believe the answer to your question is yes there is a set up for left hand.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 10:32 PM - 01/12/19
Hey, thank you for the reply.  Iím a right handed person but I game with the thumbstick(Navigation) in my left hand and the mouse in my right.  I saw a video with this exact set up, Iím leaving the question up though just to make sure.

Is it possible to get this device with a set up where my left hand would be operating it?  Then what is the difference between the compact and regular?

Yes but all the left hand versions are sadly out of stock.

Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 08:22 AM - 01/13/19
It's getting a bit confusing so ... Left Handed Azerons are for right handed people, and you use the stick wth the left hand and the mouse with your right.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:22 PM - 01/13/19
Hey, thank you for the reply.  I’m a right handed person but I game with the thumbstick(Navigation) in my left hand and the mouse in my right.  I saw a video with this exact set up, I’m leaving the question up though just to make sure.

Is it possible to get this device with a set up where my left hand would be operating it?  Then what is the difference between the compact and regular?
That's the normal setup for a right-handed gamer. Mouse in right hand, keyboard in left hand.

You'll note that Azeron includes this information in their description and the image portrays the correct model - https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/604700126/azeron-3d-printed-keypad-gamepad-for-pc?show_sold_out_detail=1

I recommend the Compact for XIM gaming.

Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Rain1dog on 05:35 PM - 01/13/19
Yeah, after spending some time on the site I got it.  Just excited started asking questions.  Thank you.

Really?  All my right handed friends game with mouse in left hand and keyboard on right.  They call me the oddball.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: saItywatch on 10:10 AM - 01/14/19
I really don't have time to read all of this, but I'm very interested.

Does this work for Apex? How much is this? Where can i buy it?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ceebs on 11:02 AM - 01/14/19
I really don't have time to read all of this, but I'm very interested.

Does this work for Apex? How much is this? Where can i buy it?
Yes it does. £100. https://azeron.eu/ (https://azeron.eu/)
Best to make time and read all of this.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 11:57 AM - 01/14/19
New software version released for more info look in our home page (http://azeron.eu/software/) our facebook group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2101112610178226/).
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: fst_si on 01:01 PM - 01/14/19
Am I right in saying these are out of stock or are they made to order?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 01:41 PM - 01/14/19
Am I right in saying these are out of stock or are they made to order?
They are of of stock at the moment.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: fst_si on 02:07 PM - 01/14/19
Am I right in saying these are out of stock or are they made to order?
They are of of stock at the moment.

I shall keep my eye out for when they return. To be honest my other half would go mad if I bought another new toy after buying the xim/keyboard/nav/mouse mat 😁
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 05:49 AM - 01/15/19
Selling my tower Azeron, I want the compact. Sending EU only. PM me.
sold
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: kathandril on 07:34 AM - 01/15/19
Are you guys using a powered USB with the azeron?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 07:36 AM - 01/15/19
No
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 07:50 AM - 01/15/19
Are you guys using a powered USB with the azeron?
I need additional power for my Azeron because it's the 4th device connected to my XIM - mouse, keyboard, controller and Azeron. I like to swap from kb to Azeron, depending on the game and I'm not mucking around with unplugging / plugging cables to do it.

Currently, I have m, kb & Azeron connected to a powered USB switch which feeds into the XIM Apex USB hub. But that's still not enough as I lose power from the Apex to Titan Two and it craps the bed sometimes when I first starts things up.

That's never been a problem without the Azeron, so I'm pushing my setup a little too hard. I bought a power supply last week for the T2 to resolve the power issue, but haven't had a chance to use it yet.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 07:01 AM - 01/16/19
Simple updated firmware made by W11ces You can get here (https://azeron.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Simple_XIM_Firmware_16jan2019_W11ces.zip)
There is just one (joystick) mode, works now with 5 way d-pad.
Mode button just turn LED's on/off
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 04:47 AM - 01/18/19
Thumbsitick update in our Facebook group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2101112610178226/).
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: chad20 on 11:00 AM - 01/18/19
Will you send an email when you ship orders? If mine hasnít shipped yet I would like to wait and get the new stick if possible and just pay any additional costs. Are you going to sell the boards and joystick as an upgrade for those who already got them?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 12:50 PM - 01/18/19
Thumbsitick update in our Facebook group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2101112610178226/).

I can't wait to get the azeron, and now it'll have the 5 point d pad and the new thumbstick! I can't wait, I can't wait!

I'm just using a corsair k68 keyboard in the meantime. Hopefully that doesn't mess me up too much once I have the azeron.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 01:34 PM - 01/18/19
Will you send an email when you ship orders? If mine hasn’t shipped yet I would like to wait and get the new stick if possible and just pay any additional costs. Are you going to sell the boards and joystick as an upgrade for those who already got them?
For upcoming orders I asking customers about new thumbstick, offer them wait 1-2 weeks longer and get new sticks or making with old ones and ship in time.
And yes, I will put them in Etsy store so every one can upgrade there keypad who will be interested.
You can contact me in Etsy, so I can place note on Your order.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: MisterWicked1 on 01:43 PM - 01/18/19
What exactly is the difference between the new and old?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 01:47 PM - 01/18/19
What exactly is the difference between the new and old?
Old stick have some internal deadzone which cannot be removed and new one don't have that problem, and new one are smoother and movement feels better.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 01:52 PM - 01/18/19
Didnít find the old one exactly bad to be honest. But better, why not.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 02:43 PM - 01/18/19
Didnít find the old one exactly bad to be honest. But better, why not.

yes why not? I got the notification from Imants in my email early this morning, it made me excited even though I had to wait longer.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S60turbo on 03:54 PM - 01/19/19
Would this be a better option than the Sony navi? I've always played with a controller so no experience playing with a keyboard here..I'm just looking for something else besides the sony navi as long as its similar to a controller with analog stick movement.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 04:23 PM - 01/19/19
Would this be a better option than the Sony navi? I've always played with a controller so no experience playing with a keyboard here..I'm just looking for something else besides the sony navi as long as its similar to a controller with analog stick movement.

Yes more buttons.

Think about the fact you only use your thumb and index finger when using Nav, you got 3 free fingers and pretty much 3 buttons for each finger. Customisation is endless.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 08:54 AM - 01/21/19
(https://i.ibb.co/hg1xvHf/IMG-2134.jpg) (https://www.facebook.com/Azeron.Gaming.Keypad/posts/1953910478238327?__xts__[0)
First Flat Palmrest Keypad (https://www.facebook.com/Azeron.Gaming.Keypad/posts/1953910478238327?__xts__[0), now need to wait for some feedbacks from people who ask for these changes :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 09:52 AM - 01/21/19
That looks like my device, so gorgeous, must be mine. Already love it. Will post how it feels.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: MisterWicked1 on 09:56 AM - 01/21/19
Anyone find some kind of palm rest to use basically for your wrist on the back? The flat does look nice curious to hear what people think
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:01 AM - 01/21/19
My hand did fit the first version well but I think this is more comfy. This one is more like the N52te rest which I never heard complaint of.
Imants are the rails a bit longer? Did you change the metal plate?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: MisterWicked1 on 10:03 AM - 01/21/19
My hand did fit the first version well but I think this is more comfy. This one is more like the N52te rest which I never heard complaint of.
Imants are the rails a bit longer? Did you change the metal plate?

Ah ok I was wondering about it, I have used the n52 before. I use a orbweaver now and from the pics the Azeron looks like it's a little longer
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 11:07 AM - 01/21/19
That palm rest looks like it's going to be a good one!
I made an imprint of my hand on some air dry clay last week to use as a template for a rest carved from wood that I want to make ... and the shape I have is looking just like the new Azeron palm rest, can't wait to get my compact  :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 11:11 AM - 01/21/19
My hand did fit the first version well but I think this is more comfy. This one is more like the N52te rest which I never heard complaint of.
Imants are the rails a bit longer? Did you change the metal plate?
Rails are longer, but metal plate are the same, as I ordering them in bulk and cant make changes specific for single one.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 12:19 PM - 01/21/19
(https://i.ibb.co/hg1xvHf/IMG-2134.jpg) (https://www.facebook.com/Azeron.Gaming.Keypad/posts/1953910478238327?__xts__[0)
First Flat Palmrest Keypad (https://www.facebook.com/Azeron.Gaming.Keypad/posts/1953910478238327?__xts__[0), now need to wait for some feedbacks from people who ask for these changes :)

I canít wait for this thing!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 12:24 PM - 01/21/19
Really slick now


Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 02:29 PM - 01/21/19
I am going to put a request for new flat palm rest  on compact too. Would it be better than original  palm rest ?   
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 02:15 PM - 01/22/19
Guys, I got the email from Imants asking if I was interested in the flat version, what do you guys think? would it really be that much better? I feel like it wouldn't make a difference because my wrist/arm will just fit in between the curves. I hope to get some more feedback from you guys on what I should get.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 02:22 PM - 01/22/19
Will have it in a couple of days or do you want me to get the glas Orb? Could open my eyes wide and put up a strange grin. :D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 02:23 PM - 01/22/19
Maybe Imants won't mind if I don't tell him for a couple days. Could you be sure to put on here what you like best about it compared to the original version?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: piiwii on 03:12 PM - 01/22/19
Hi guys the two main reasons why I haven't jumped on this are:

1) Worried about continual improvements and thinking I should wait for another year until it's more refined, and;

2) I can't quite figure out what the difference is between the regular and compact so it's giving me ...whatever they call it it consumer psychology, analysis paralysis, anxiety of choice or whatever.

So:

1) What is the future roadmap look like? I assume the creator is continuing to evolve this? And if so has the creator given any sort of commitments to modularity (e.g. every new improvement is guaranteed to be backwards compatible and available to purchase as separate parts), or is everything up for grabs in the name of progress (which is fine too I just want to be clearer about the product philosophy).

2) Looking at the pictures, it seems like the compact is not actually any smaller in terms of the main body, it's just missing the top buttons - is this correct? If the bodies are virtually identical that makes me more likely to buy, because I've wasted so much money on mice looking for a good shape and the thought of choosing between two $200AUD products without being able to test the shape in person fills me with anxiety! There's also talk of a dpad but for the life of me I can't see anything resembling one in the photos, or if it's a WIP I can't see where they could even put it as there's no room left for one.

Thanks
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 03:15 PM - 01/22/19
Can anyone please post photo of  D-pad  on Azeron  ?

I have ordered Compact too.   I left it upto  Imants to decide  whether standard or  Flat palm rest. As I dont know....... he must know better as he is the one who crrated it.

Further more,, been told later ,  palm rests can be changed. So not a big  problem there
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: piiwii on 03:20 PM - 01/22/19
Can anyone please post photo of  D-pad  on Azeron  ?

I have ordered Compact too.   I left it upto  Imants to decide  whether standard or  Flat palm rest. As I dont know....... he must know better as he is the one who crrated it.

Further more,, been told later ,  palm rests can be changed. So not a big  problem there

Are you able to pay a bit more and get the flat palm rest added in too? I would go crazy trying to decide.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 03:30 PM - 01/22/19
Very good question!   He mentioned that it will be added to store to order separate later in coming time. But I shall ask him via email & post here too...

Azeron ? Please advise , if we can pay extra n  get a spare palm rest ,?

E.g if   you make Flat   palm rest  & if  you can send standard palm rest too for  extra  £Ä$  ? And how much  spare  palm rest will be ? Will it be easy to replace ? Or will it need  soldering  ?   

As I have no means of soldering wires :p

Thanks
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 03:43 PM - 01/22/19
Hi guys the two main reasons why I haven't jumped on this are:

1) Worried about continual improvements and thinking I should wait for another year until it's more refined, and;

2) I can't quite figure out what the difference is between the regular and compact so it's giving me ...whatever they call it it consumer psychology, analysis paralysis, anxiety of choice or whatever.

So:

1) What is the future roadmap look like? I assume the creator is continuing to evolve this? And if so has the creator given any sort of commitments to modularity (e.g. every new improvement is guaranteed to be backwards compatible and available to purchase as separate parts), or is everything up for grabs in the name of progress (which is fine too I just want to be clearer about the product philosophy).

2) Looking at the pictures, it seems like the compact is not actually any smaller in terms of the main body, it's just missing the top buttons - is this correct? If the bodies are virtually identical that makes me more likely to buy, because I've wasted so much money on mice looking for a good shape and the thought of choosing between two $200AUD products without being able to test the shape in person fills me with anxiety! There's also talk of a dpad but for the life of me I can't see anything resembling one in the photos, or if it's a WIP I can't see where they could even put it as there's no room left for one.

Thanks
On Your first question You can read this topic (https://community.xim.tech/index.php?topic=74736.0), I post answer there yesterday. In this version I will do some upgrades or changes if there will be requests or feedback' but just if they will be backwards compatible. Anything else will go to next revision (than not coming out any time soon).
 Compact and Standard keypad only visible difference is tower size and compact version had 2 less buttons and spacing inventive tower buttons are bit smaller. Its more which one You prefer visually.
 And 5 way D-pad You can see in this picture: (https://i.ibb.co/7J03b9V/Azeron-Compact-keypad.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QFxWX5n)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: piiwii on 03:55 PM - 01/22/19
Thanks for your reply. Has anyone ever asked you for a detachable USB cable? A lot of us play in the living room and it's much neater to be able to just unplug it and move it around, and especially if you're travelling. This is one of the first things I look for when buying keyboards.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 03:59 PM - 01/22/19
Very good question!   He mentioned that it will be added to store to order separate later in coming time. But I shall ask him via email & post here too...

Azeron ? Please advise , if we can pay extra n  get a spare palm rest ,?

E.g if   you make Flat   palm rest  & if  you can send standard palm rest too for  extra  £Ä$  ? And how much  spare  palm rest will be ? Will it be easy to replace ? Or will it need  soldering  ?   

As I have no means of soldering wires :p

Thanks
I will add separate palmrest in store later, so anyone can upgrade it.
To change it would not be hard, still need place all wires in place and carefully put together mid part, soldering is not requite there, just 3 screwdriver's
Price for palmrest upgrade may be around 20euro.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: piiwii on 04:01 PM - 01/22/19
In the product options there is one that says "Tower Rail Size". Would you be able to point out specifically what the tower rail is? There's a few things in that photo that could be seen as a "rail" - is it the distance the towers can be pushed back? Or spread apart from left to right? It's not entirely clear to me what the rail is.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 04:07 PM - 01/22/19
Thanks for your reply. Has anyone ever asked you for a detachable USB cable? A lot of us play in the living room and it's much neater to be able to just unplug it and move it around, and especially if you're travelling. This is one of the first things I look for when buying keyboards.
No, You are the first one ;) There was a reason I made it like that, as Teensy don't have any screw holes so I did use USB cable to hold teensy in place. Can see in picture.
(https://i.ibb.co/tDN81TX/MG-6148-Edit.jpg) (https://ibb.co/x6cJrtH)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 04:11 PM - 01/22/19
In the product options there is one that says "Tower Rail Size". Would you be able to point out specifically what the tower rail is? There's a few things in that photo that could be seen as a "rail" - is it the distance the towers can be pushed back? Or spread apart from left to right? It's not entirely clear to me what the rail is.
It is a part where towers as screwed to, so You can adjust distance, large ones have 10mm longer.
(https://i.ibb.co/Fm2rQRB/MG-5645.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wBVkn5K)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: piiwii on 04:18 PM - 01/22/19
In the product options there is one that says "Tower Rail Size". Would you be able to point out specifically what the tower rail is? There's a few things in that photo that could be seen as a "rail" - is it the distance the towers can be pushed back? Or spread apart from left to right? It's not entirely clear to me what the rail is.
It is a part where towers as screwed to, so You can adjust distance, large ones have 10mm longer.
(https://i.ibb.co/Fm2rQRB/MG-5645.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wBVkn5K)
interactive coin flip (https://freeonlinedice.com/)

Thank you!!!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 04:24 PM - 01/22/19
In the product options there is one that says "Tower Rail Size". Would you be able to point out specifically what the tower rail is? There's a few things in that photo that could be seen as a "rail" - is it the distance the towers can be pushed back? Or spread apart from left to right? It's not entirely clear to me what the rail is.
It is a part where towers as screwed to, so You can adjust distance, large ones have 10mm longer.
(https://i.ibb.co/Fm2rQRB/MG-5645.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wBVkn5K)
interactive coin flip (https://freeonlinedice.com/)

Thank you!!!

:p  getting compact or standard  ?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: piiwii on 04:25 PM - 01/22/19
If I were to buy definitely the compact.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 06:57 PM - 01/22/19
piiwii, I have ordered the Compact with shorter tower rails, new thumbstick, 5-directional d-pad and a flat palm-rest...all the stuff that's different from the original Azeron to make it easy to compare & contrast the two. I think that pretty much covers the requests from the XIM community and if you're going to hold back, do so for maybe 1-2 months.

I'm not expecting my Compact to arrive for maybe 4-6 weeks (it's being held back until Imants is ready with the various bits and pieces). I'll use the Compact and the original Azeron while streaming (the whole point of the stream is to showcase products). The stream will feature an overhead hand-cam so you'll be able to see how they both look and behave in-game.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 07:41 PM - 01/22/19
piiwii, I have ordered the Compact with shorter tower rails, new thumbstick, 5-directional d-pad and a flat palm-rest...all the stuff that's different from the original Azeron to make it easy to compare & contrast the two. I think that pretty much covers the requests from the XIM community and if you're going to hold back, do so for maybe 1-2 months.

I'm not expecting my Compact to arrive for maybe 4-6 weeks (it's being held back until Imants is ready with the various bits and pieces). I'll use the Compact and the original Azeron while streaming (the whole point of the stream is to showcase products). The stream will feature an overhead hand-cam so you'll be able to see how they both look and behave in-game.

Where do I get access to your streams?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: piiwii on 08:05 PM - 01/22/19
piiwii, I have ordered the Compact with shorter tower rails, new thumbstick, 5-directional d-pad and a flat palm-rest...all the stuff that's different from the original Azeron to make it easy to compare & contrast the two. I think that pretty much covers the requests from the XIM community and if you're going to hold back, do so for maybe 1-2 months.

I'm not expecting my Compact to arrive for maybe 4-6 weeks (it's being held back until Imants is ready with the various bits and pieces). I'll use the Compact and the original Azeron while streaming (the whole point of the stream is to showcase products). The stream will feature an overhead hand-cam so you'll be able to see how they both look and behave in-game.

I'm most curious to hear about long term comfort. I have mild arthritis in two fingers, and the thought of my finger being "stuck" in a little pit for long periods is kind of scary. With a keyboard I can let my fingers stretch out. With a Joy-Con or Nav I can let my fingers dangle to the side. But with this it seems like you place your fingers into a little pit and sure there's wiggle room, but is it going to feel a little "claustrophobic" after a while?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:09 PM - 01/22/19
piiwii you should absolutely buy one now. Reason is the product changes will never stop, Imants will find pieces made better. You cant by an Imac either if you want to buy the refined version, there wont be any until its not produced any more. Each version is better than any left hand input device I have ever used including the N52te. The old palm rest is not a letdown but for some players the upward borders can be annoying after long playtime. I personally am completely OK but I don't play 6 hours in a row.
The compact is better for us as the controller has less keys, you don't need the tower. The tower keys are ballerina to reach. I used them for menu buttons only and that why I suggested to Imants to use the top of the short towers as menu keys. The d-pad is an absolute must as the the d-pad can be distributed on 4 keys in a row on the Azeron but its always weird to use it and hard to learn. After weeks I still have problems in BF5.
PC players will not mind about the d-pad, I sold my V1 within days on Ebay for the price I bought it. It will be always short in demand, handmade low number of devices. Imants redesigns parts, not the whole thing, so parts are exchangeable for a small fee and sometimes a bit of soldering. And lastly the device is cheap for a handcrafted 3D printed device. Itís almost a gift from Imants that has to be supported. I paid 7 Euro for a single button at a local 3D shop, made me buy a 3d printer as an Ender 3D pro is now available for 250 Euro. The whole device would cost an estimated 700 Euro if you asked a shop to print it. They ask prices as if they had to sit next to the 3D-printer the hole time.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: piiwii on 10:54 PM - 01/22/19
piiwii you should absolutely buy one now. Reason is the product changes will never stop, Imants will find pieces made better. You cant by an Imac either if you want to buy the refined version, there wont be any until its not produced any more. Each version is better than any left hand input device I have ever used including the N52te. The old palm rest is not a letdown but for some players the upward borders can be annoying after long playtime. I personally am completely OK but I don't play 6 hours in a row.
The compact is better for us as the controller has less keys, you don't need the tower. The tower keys are ballerina to reach. I used them for menu buttons only and that why I suggested to Imants to use the top of the short towers as menu keys. The d-pad is an absolute must as the the d-pad can be distributed on 4 keys in a row on the Azeron but its always weird to use it and hard to learn. After weeks I still have problems in BF5.
PC players will not mind about the d-pad, I sold my V1 within days on Ebay for the price I bought it. It will be always short in demand, handmade low number of devices. Imants redesigns parts, not the whole thing, so parts are exchangeable for a small fee and sometimes a bit of soldering. And lastly the device is cheap for a handcrafted 3D printed device. Itís almost a gift from Imants that has to be supported. I paid 7 Euro for a single button at a local 3D shop, made me buy a 3d printer as an Ender 3D pro is now available for 250 Euro. The whole device would cost an estimated 700 Euro if you asked a shop to print it. They ask prices as if they had to sit next to the 3D-printer the hole time.

The problem is I'm going to get a Wooting Two soon which runs at like $250-300AUD, and after just buying the Logitech G703 ($150AUD) and the Logitech G Pro Wireless ($250AUD) so I'm just a bit weary of spending more.

As for the 6 hour comment - I regularly do 12-15 hour marathons lol so posture, comfort, longevity etc are more important to me than most people so it's really hard for me to assess this stuff.

Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:59 PM - 01/22/19
Sure cant help you with financials always your decision. Imho the compact is already 90% perfect for us Ximmers.

my new palm compact is already in-country

21:35
22.01.2019
Germany - Item sent abroad
19:31
22.01.2019
Sorting centre - Riga
Item received at Sorting centre - Riga
15:31
21.01.2019
Postal Office: Ziras PN, LV-3624
Item received from client in Postal office: Ziras PN, LV-3624
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 11:32 PM - 01/22/19
For everyone worrying about the Palm rest, I am paying extra for Imants to send me both ( you will be able to switch them around )

So if youíre planning on waiting a few weeks to decide on which palmrest you want, I should be able to share my experiences with both to help you.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 02:55 PM - 01/23/19
I'm most curious to hear about long term comfort. I have mild arthritis in two fingers, and the thought of my finger being "stuck" in a little pit for long periods is kind of scary. With a keyboard I can let my fingers stretch out. With a Joy-Con or Nav I can let my fingers dangle to the side. But with this it seems like you place your fingers into a little pit and sure there's wiggle room, but is it going to feel a little "claustrophobic" after a while?
The finger pits for Azeron are twice the size of what's needed, for me at least. Compact is smaller, but I don't think they verge of claustrophobic. It'll be easy to pull the fingers up for a stretch on the  Compact, but not so easy on the original.

Finger posture is roughly that of a keyboard, with more thumb extension. The issue for me is wrist elevation and rotation, which I do find somewhat uncomfortable, but I counter by using an ergo elbow support to straighten things up. I suspect the flat palm rest will allow for more rotation and more flexible hand position.

I doubt Azeron will replace my keyboard for MP games any time soon, but I like to tinker with input devices and will see how the Compact goes. For me, the thumbstick for movement is a bit of future-proofing in case game devs get more clever with input heuristics.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 03:05 PM - 01/23/19
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I doubt Azeron will replace my keyboard for MP games any time soon
[/quote]

Whyís this?

Iím planning to use this to get back into Fortnite as I think I have Arthritis in my right hand ( Iím only 16...... turning 17 soon ) and even moving my index finger ( where most of the pain and numbness is happening ) to different buttons on my mouse is causing pain so the Nav isnít cutting it anymore.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:12 PM - 01/23/19
Because I don't come from a controller background for shooters and 40 years of keyboard muscle memory is hard to overcome...old dog, new trick.

I enjoy Azeron, but it requires me to jump through a lot of mental hoops. It's mostly to do with d-pad and melee bindings, which are a problem no matter what I use (I'd use a lefty Razer Orbweaver and lefty Logitech G Pro mouse in a heartbeat).

I should find the Compact easier to accommodate with the 5-way button and stick upgrade. I'm still unsure where to place melee as I want to be able to hit shoot and melee concurrently (no right-side buttons on G Pro), but d-pad is covered :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 03:20 PM - 01/23/19
Oh alright, I thought you were saying the Azeron in general wasnít good for MP games lol.

For melee, Iím probably going to bind that to pinky flick forward or down.

One thing that may set me and everyone else apart is on games such as call of duty and battlefield, Iíve always played on ď tactical ď button layout which switches your crouch and melee button. Crouch will be right stick and melee will be circle of whatever button crouch usually is.

I remember when I made a new account for BO4 and I forgot to change this, I literally couldnít play.

Using this may help you, I canít guarantee but it may. I canít remember what the exact issue was but it definitely helps.

I did this first on controller years ago when I started playing claw which had ruined my fngers lol.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 04:44 PM - 01/23/19
I paid Ä20 too for spare palm rest....    can't wait. 

Excited
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: piiwii on 01:43 AM - 01/24/19
Can someone tell me what the length of the compact is (with the small rail)? I'm making an extension to my arm chair and I'd like to future proof it by making sure the Azeron will be able to fit on it.

(https://i.imgur.com/6ZWsqwo.png)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 02:53 AM - 01/24/19
Can someone tell me what the length of the compact is (with the small rail)? I'm making an extension to my arm chair and I'd like to future proof it by making sure the Azeron will be able to fit on it.

(https://i.imgur.com/6ZWsqwo.png)
short is 21cm and long will be +1cm
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: piiwii on 03:12 AM - 01/24/19
Thanks!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 04:00 AM - 01/24/19
I would fit when its there it will be millimetres defining comfort,
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 04:46 AM - 01/24/19
I would fit when its there it will be millimetres defining comfort,

Have u got your compact  Azeron Keypad  ?  :P
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 04:56 AM - 01/24/19
Not yet, today maybe or tomorrow it's at the distribution site nearby. Not here tomorrow afternoon so it better come today
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Post by: parjn on 01:10 PM - 01/24/19
Can't wait for you to tell us more about it Roads!
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Post by: roads on 01:13 PM - 01/24/19
Not here yet and its 8pm :(
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Post by: JDM on 11:16 AM - 01/26/19
Not here yet and its 8pm :(

Arrived yet??
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 11:18 AM - 01/26/19
Na I will post as soon as I have it. Its stuck in Frankfurt at customs.
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Post by: JDM on 11:23 AM - 01/26/19
Na I will post as soon as I have it. Its stuck in Frankfurt at customs.

D*cks
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 11:26 AM - 01/26/19
Ya Ducks
Oh and there is no customs within Eu
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 11:34 AM - 01/26/19
Lucky for me haha.

Should have mine a week or 2 after the new thumbsticks arive.

How long did delivery take for you??
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 04:28 AM - 01/28/19
Its here, didnít play yet and not adjusted but first feel is, it even got better. More comfy and finger space much better. Sleds  are now rising to the the index finger following palm inclination better. Palmrest now feels identical to N52te. D-pad is in perfect position for the thumb. Menu buttons are great. Something I missed. Three for the xbox and 4th to change XIM config. Only thing I miss is I would rotate the towers a bit to the left if possible so my fingers press the buttons exactly at 90į angle. Not a letdown but would make it perfect ergonomically.
Itís the input device since the teensy cherry modded N52te. I love it.
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Post by: S13002931 on 06:08 AM - 01/28/19
Its here, didnít play yet and not adjusted but first feel is, it even got better. More comfy and finger space much better. Sleds  are now rising to the the index finger following palm inclination better. Palmrest now feels identical to N52te. D-pad is in perfect position for the thumb. Menu buttons are great. Something I missed. Three for the xbox and 4th to change XIM config. Only thing I miss is I would rotate the towers a bit to the left if possible so my fingers press the buttons exactly at 90į angle. Not a letdown but would make it perfect ergonomically.
Itís the input device since the teensy cherry modded N52te. I love it.

Very nice. Which  color did u order ?  Does it come firmware pre-installed for Xim Apex ?
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Post by: roads on 06:33 AM - 01/28/19
no I flashed the W11ce one above that Imants posted. Have to adjust the stick rotation a bit though. Its Orange, the one on the pics really is mine.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 07:35 AM - 01/28/19
no I flashed the W11ce one above that Imants posted. Have to adjust the stick rotation a bit though. Its Orange, the one on the pics really is mine.
Are you talking about stick rotation as in software, or the physical position?
And if it's the software then you can still adjust the angle direction in the W11ce software the same way as in the Azeron software?
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Post by: roads on 08:36 AM - 01/28/19
Sure but imants has it packed I need the ino file.
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Post by: JDM on 06:52 PM - 01/28/19
Still nobody who plays Futnit has one or wants people to know  :(
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 02:45 AM - 01/29/19
I don't get the problem really. Itís a handmade device, high demand, low "factory" output. Order it, test it for a couple of weeks and sell it for the same price. He even takes it back for 30 days.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: BigBen on 06:33 AM - 01/29/19
I agree with Roads, the Azeron is a no brainer for me, the only thing that can be better is the joystick, which is already solved.

Best gaming gadget I ever bought, once you get the hang of it, it's so fast, way better than the NAV ever can be. Another positif thing is that I can now use ANY mouse as I have enough buttons on the Azeron ( I don't use mouse buttons anymore since using the Azeron beside ADS and Fire)
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Post by: Jamesbone on 09:23 AM - 01/29/19
I agree with Roads, the Azeron is a no brainer for me, the only thing that can be better is the joystick, which is already solved.

Best gaming gadget I ever bought, once you get the hang of it, it's so fast, way better than the NAV ever can be. Another positif thing is that I can now use ANY mouse as I have enough buttons on the Azeron ( I don't use mouse buttons anymore since using the Azeron beside ADS and Fire)


I never used a NAV but cant wait to get my azeron and try it with my Gpro 80g :)

I'm that guy in COD that puts double stock on the Saug and strafes fast bouncing on and off A AND D   lol what's it like strafing with a joystick?
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Post by: BigBen on 09:25 AM - 01/29/19
my compact still has the original joystick and like I said this can be better. So strafing is is not the best part of the Azeron, thats the reason I already ordered the latest version.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:26 AM - 01/29/19
W11ce could you please modify your code for the new layout for the compact? Imants simple code seems to have the stick off, no full motion and strange forward direction. Au1d Yin has the same problem.
I will just feck it up.

here is the pinout:

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36339724/AzeronKeypadpinout.jpg)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 12:39 PM - 01/29/19
W11ce could you please modify your code for the new layout for the compact? Imants simple code seems to have the stick off, no full motion and strange forward direction. Au1d Yin has the same problem.
I will just feck it up.

here is the pinout:

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36339724/AzeronKeypadpinout.jpg)

Ok so I'm testing the new stick, forward direction feels the same as older version,   BUT,   it doesn't reach full walk speed in forward motion, or move right direction... move left and move backwards both work as they should. W11ce already wrote code for the analogue stick so I wondered if the stick housing might be stopping it moving far enough to hit the full analogue?I've tried both the W11ce code and the latesy Azeron firmware and both have the same problem.I'm thinking about taking a dremel to it to shave a bit off the housing to see if that might do anything.
It's a shame as the stick feels good to use ... can't sprint in game either as the game I'm on needs full walk speed to enable sprint ....  using an aux so I can get around it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 12:55 PM - 01/29/19
Is not the housing. W11cemeister will solve it. He always does. Rotate that stick 15 degree clockwise please by code.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 01:06 PM - 01/29/19
Is not the housing. W11cemeister will solve it. He always does. Rotate that stick 15 degree clockwise please by code.
If W11ce has a Paypal account we should maybe be showing our thanks for his efforts?
Just a thought as I'm grateful for the help he's given us :) 
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 01:23 PM - 01/29/19
Ask him I don't think he will accept anything for it. I hope he makes the USB bridge work and sell that with profit.
Joystick, it can be the housing but itís the same with the controller software just has to be adapted to the lower radius.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 03:04 PM - 01/29/19
I am panicking  !   Azeron , will u pls sort those issues out  for my compact  before you  ship it ?

I am no where near Roads in fixing software issues & joystick movement issue.


Roads , has ur come with new joystick mod ?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 03:08 PM - 01/29/19
He still hasnít received the new thumbsticks if thatís what youíre asking.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 03:44 PM - 01/29/19
Don't Panic
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 04:41 PM - 01/29/19
Not panicking  :p  New  joystick   :-*
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: W11cE on 06:36 PM - 01/29/19
W11ce could you please modify your code for the new layout for the compact? Imants simple code seems to have the stick off, no full motion and strange forward direction. Au1d Yin has the same problem.
I will just feck it up.

here is the pinout:

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/36339724/AzeronKeypadpinout.jpg)
What are keys on pins 3 and 10? I cant think of a location where those would exist on the device itself.

Scaling for the joystick works in code but unfortunately not rotating. The problem is that these joysticks are too poor quality for that to make any difference. There are entire 10-20 degree sections that are missing completely. The joystick is so loose that it will just skip over some parts when you try to rotate that. Is the joystick improved on the new versions?

Also the joystick actually jitters, due to the fact that there are no filter capacitors on the input pins. This can be somewhat eliminated on code, which should never be done, but can help.

And also a quick report after around 100h of gameplay: Its starting to fall apart, literally. I have noticed 3 screws on my desk and those are from the device. Not sure where, cant find the correct hole. But i can tell it has something to do with the palm rest. It is quite loose. Also one switch is dying. It is doing the typical double press every now and then. I hope this is not happening for other switches.

If W11ce has a Paypal account we should maybe be showing our thanks for his efforts?
Just a thought as I'm grateful for the help he's given us :) 
Thanks, that is not required, but would always be nice :).
If you want to donate, you can do that to my XIM Link donations account: https://github.com/W11cE/XIM-Link/blob/master/Donate.md


Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 04:27 AM - 01/30/19
Pins 3 and 10 will be for the two top switches on the tower Azeron .. the ones you hit with your middle and index finger nail.
Think when you use the Azeron software the diagram works for both versions and they don't light up on any switch presses when you use the Azeron software with the compact.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 04:52 AM - 01/30/19
Your Azeron is breaking already?

Have you removed or tinkered with any of the screws before?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 06:25 AM - 01/30/19
Is not the housing. W11cemeister will solve it. He always does. Rotate that stick 15 degree clockwise please by code.
I've taken the stick out of it's housing and it now reaches full analog in all directions.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 06:43 AM - 01/30/19
Also the joystick actually jitters, due to the fact that there are no filter capacitors on the input pins. This can be somewhat eliminated on code, which should never be done, but can help.

And also a quick report after around 100h of gameplay: Its starting to fall apart, literally. I have noticed 3 screws on my desk and those are from the device. Not sure where, cant find the correct hole. But i can tell it has something to do with the palm rest. It is quite loose. Also one switch is dying. It is doing the typical double press every now and then. I hope this is not happening for other switches.

Can You suggest what capacitors I need to use? I am self learning on electronic and just looking for similar setup's and using them in mine. (https://forum.pjrc.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5811&d=1450120197)

You can make photo from bottom, so I can tell where screws are from. Did You open a keypad, tight all screws after adjustments?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 08:04 AM - 01/30/19
Also one switch is dying. It is doing the typical double press every now and then. I hope this is not happening for other switches.
These are some low price switches, but moving to some Omron switches, would rise price for keypad in about 15-20 euros. I need to get them, test and I can add that as option.
At the moment I have one idea how to deal with that in software.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 08:21 AM - 01/30/19
It's a unique hand made device you have built, but I think that is a no brainer that you should be using the very best switches and joystick available.
Most of us are gamers that spend a lot of money on the gadgets we play with, and given the option of Omron switches I think most would want them as the default, with the cheaper ones as an option for others.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 08:54 AM - 01/30/19
It's a unique hand made device you have built, but I think that is a no brainer that you should be using the very best switches and joystick available.
Most of us are gamers that spend a lot of money for the gadgets we play with, and given the option of Omron switches I think most would want them as the default, with the cheaper ones as an option for others.
Its a good question, how many really would like to pay extra for theses switches, I just cant spend 500-1000 euro for these switches to build inventory, without making sure that they will be requested.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 09:37 AM - 01/30/19
Well one way to find out would be to sell the Azeron as it is now, at a price that would match the expected extra cost of fitting quality switches, and see how it goes ... I personally think it would still be sought after.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: chad20 on 01:35 PM - 01/30/19
Iím still not sure when mine will ship but I would like the better joystick and switches if possible.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 02:20 PM - 01/30/19
Iím still not sure when mine will ship but I would like the better joystick and switches if possible.

If your Azeron hasnít already started shipping, it will come with the Xbox ( better ) thumbstick.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 03:44 PM - 01/30/19
It's a unique hand made device you have built, but I think that is a no brainer that you should be using the very best switches and joystick available.
Most of us are gamers that spend a lot of money for the gadgets we play with, and given the option of Omron switches I think most would want them as the default, with the cheaper ones as an option for others.
Its a good question, how many really would like to pay extra for theses switches, I just cant spend 500-1000 euro for these switches to build inventory, without making sure that they will be requested.

Hello Azeron

Can you please build my  compact  with  Omron  switches ? & high quality joystick? Ä20   extra  for Omron switches  ?  No problem.   Please let me know  if you can ?

I will send you Ä20  via PayPal friends and family.    Or Ä15 ? :D

Order #1----------4659



Thank you
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Post by: R3MiX on 03:55 PM - 01/30/19
Azeron, I'd like to do the same that S13002931 is requesting. DM me for details.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 04:25 PM - 01/30/19
It's a unique hand made device you have built, but I think that is a no brainer that you should be using the very best switches and joystick available.
Most of us are gamers that spend a lot of money for the gadgets we play with, and given the option of Omron switches I think most would want them as the default, with the cheaper ones as an option for others.
Its a good question, how many really would like to pay extra for theses switches, I just cant spend 500-1000 euro for these switches to build inventory, without making sure that they will be requested.

Hello Azeron

Can you please build my  compact  with  Omron  switches ? & high quality joystick? €20   extra  for Omron switches  ?  No problem.   Please let me know  if you can ?

I will send you €20  via PayPal friends and family.    Or €15 ? :D

Order #1----------4659



Thank you
Its NOT gonna be fast, as I told, I need to order different type for test to find which one feel best as they have different Operation Force, I will not take just random. Just after I find best I can order more. It may take 3-4 months.

And remember Omron switches in not a guarantee that there never will be double click, as I have 5 Logitech mouses and 3 of them had same problem with Omron switches.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 06:07 PM - 01/30/19
I think my new xbox thumbstick will be just fine, besides I don't really want to wait even longer!

Also I'm hoping to take real good care of the azeron I get, plus I won't be playing it more than casually (1-5 hours per week tops). So I think my azeron isn't gonna break on me.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 06:09 PM - 01/30/19
Have the Xbox thumbsticks arrived?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 06:16 PM - 01/30/19
I'm expecting mine probably in like a month or so. Or like a month and a couple weeks. Cuz Imants said it would be delayed by that much at least. And I remember ordering before you did.
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Post by: JDM on 06:17 PM - 01/30/19
No but have the thumbsticks arived lol?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 06:18 PM - 01/30/19
Good question, I guess we just have to ask Imants. (shrug)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 06:19 PM - 01/30/19
How comes you didnít order the Compact?

( reading your bio thingy )
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 06:57 PM - 01/30/19
I like the original one better, even though I haven't tried it yet. Plus Imants is adding the 5 way direction d pad to the original so that's nice. :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: W11cE on 09:28 PM - 01/30/19
Your Azeron is breaking already?

Have you removed or tinkered with any of the screws before?
The normal adjustment and swapped the joystick cap, But the screws are not from those.

I actually noticed that I have a habit to lift it from the palm rest, when I move it on my desk. This slowly loosens the screws that keep it on place.

Can You suggest what capacitors I need to use? I am self learning on electronic and just looking for similar setup's and using them in mine.
0.1uF ceramic capacitors should be fine for this kind of simple input. Between ground and the analog line. One for both X and Y. You can google about this with "bypass capacitor" or "filter capacitor".

You can make photo from bottom, so I can tell where screws are from. Did You open a keypad, tight all screws after adjustments?
No need for photo. Just noticed the two locations where those have come off. Shouldn't be a problem.

Not sure if genuine omron switches would help. I am more worried that the wobble buttons have is actually stressing the switches more than on normal devices with injection molded parts, where the force is directed perfectly from one direction to the switch.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 11:32 PM - 01/30/19
It's a unique hand made device you have built, but I think that is a no brainer that you should be using the very best switches and joystick available.
Most of us are gamers that spend a lot of money for the gadgets we play with, and given the option of Omron switches I think most would want them as the default, with the cheaper ones as an option for others.
Its a good question, how many really would like to pay extra for theses switches, I just cant spend 500-1000 euro for these switches to build inventory, without making sure that they will be requested.

Hello Azeron

Can you please build my  compact  with  Omron  switches ? & high quality joystick? Ä20   extra  for Omron switches  ?  No problem.   Please let me know  if you can ?

I will send you Ä20  via PayPal friends and family.    Or Ä15 ? :D

Order #1----------4659



Thank you
Its NOT gonna be fast, as I told, I need to order different type for test to find which one feel best as they have different Operation Force, I will not take just random. Just after I find best I can order more. It may take 3-4 months.

And remember Omron switches in not a guarantee that there never will be double click, as I have 5 Logitech mouses and 3 of them had same problem with Omron switches.

Hi

3-4 months,  oh thats long time... you may ship mine with usual switches you got. Hopefully it will be fine.

Thanks
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 01:14 AM - 01/31/19
No but have the thumbsticks arived lol?
By tracking, they arrived to my country, so must be at me very soon.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ThisGuy on 01:36 AM - 01/31/19
Can we still order these or no? I went to the website but don't see an option to purchase
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 01:45 AM - 01/31/19
Can we still order these or no? I went to the website but don't see an option to purchase

If there are none on the website he is waiting for parts.

With this said, thereís a pop up on the site saying orders made now will only be made in March due to the long cue ( he will make the Azeronís in March ) so if you really want one, make the order as soon as they pop up again.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 07:23 AM - 01/31/19
New analog sticks did arrive today, time to make some keypad's
(https://scontent.frix5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51289040_1958997661062942_5931337728263192576_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent.frix5-1.fna&oh=02db4313d9b4dd470a97bc26aa8a627c&oe=5CC1E915)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 12:35 PM - 01/31/19
New analog sticks did arrive today, time to make some keypad's
(https://scontent.frix5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51289040_1958997661062942_5931337728263192576_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent.frix5-1.fna&oh=02db4313d9b4dd470a97bc26aa8a627c&oe=5CC1E915)

This gets me so hyped! You know Imants, it would be cool to see a fast 10x speed video from beginning to finished product. I think it'd be fun to watch.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 12:53 PM - 01/31/19
I second that^^

Would be very cool if you have the filming equipment.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ceebs on 04:13 AM - 02/01/19
New analog sticks did arrive today, time to make some keypad's
(https://scontent.frix5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51289040_1958997661062942_5931337728263192576_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent.frix5-1.fna&oh=02db4313d9b4dd470a97bc26aa8a627c&oe=5CC1E915)

This gets me so hyped! You know Imants, it would be cool to see a fast 10x speed video from beginning to finished product. I think it'd be fun to watch.
Great idea.
If Imants makes one and posts it on his Etsy website, prospects would appreciate how much work goes into his handcrafted design.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 06:07 AM - 02/01/19
I don't think he is going to give his secret  that  easy.... !   
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 10:59 AM - 02/01/19
New analog sticks did arrive today, time to make some keypad's
(https://scontent.frix5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51289040_1958997661062942_5931337728263192576_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent.frix5-1.fna&oh=02db4313d9b4dd470a97bc26aa8a627c&oe=5CC1E915)

Hi.

Are these Xbox 1 controller joysticks or Ps4 ?

Thanks
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 11:31 AM - 02/01/19
Hi.

Are these Xbox 1 controller joysticks or Ps4 ?

Thanks
These specific counts as ps4 but I have similar in MadCatz Xbox 360 controller.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 01:23 PM - 02/01/19
Hi.

Are these Xbox 1 controller joysticks or Ps4 ?

Thanks
These specific counts as ps4 but I have similar in MadCatz Xbox 360 controller.

Ps4 ones can be great. Many thanks
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ejsilk on 06:11 PM - 02/01/19
New analog sticks did arrive today, time to make some keypad's
(https://scontent.frix5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51289040_1958997661062942_5931337728263192576_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent.frix5-1.fna&oh=02db4313d9b4dd470a97bc26aa8a627c&oe=5CC1E915)

Hi,

so is there a way to replace the thumbstick for those who already purchased The Azeron?

Fantastic piece of kit, by the way. loving it to bits.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 02:11 AM - 02/02/19
Hi,

so is there a way to replace the thumbstick for those who already purchased The Azeron?

Fantastic piece of kit, by the way. loving it to bits.
Yes, there will be two options, first as You see in picture PCB board with analog stick, but to change them need soldering, second will be full thumbstick body (Thumbstick body with analog stick and 5-way d-pad with all wires) can be swapped without soldering.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Markie_X on 05:45 AM - 02/02/19
Looking good Imants, i have a couple of questions;

- Will the full board upgrades come with capacitors?
- Do the new board/stick require a software update?
- Do you have a timeframe when we will be able to order the new boards?

Regarding the whole switches thing (Omeron or other), is there not a
way/system that people easily can replace a switch on their Azeron unit?

Anyway its all looking good as always, i'm enjoying the Azeron very much.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ejsilk on 03:40 PM - 02/02/19
Hi,

so is there a way to replace the thumbstick for those who already purchased The Azeron?

Fantastic piece of kit, by the way. loving it to bits.
Yes, there will be two options, first as You see in picture PCB board with analog stick, but to change them need soldering, second will be full thumbstick body (Thumbstick body with analog stick and 5-way d-pad with all wires) can be swapped without soldering.

Nice
Let us know when they are available
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 05:53 PM - 02/02/19
Looking good Imants, i have a couple of questions;

- Will the full board upgrades come with capacitors?
- Do the new board/stick require a software update?
- Do you have a timeframe when we will be able to order the new boards?

Regarding the whole switches thing (Omeron or other), is there not a
way/system that people easily can replace a switch on their Azeron unit?

Anyway its all looking good as always, i'm enjoying the Azeron very much.
Yes they will be with capacitors
No, no need to upgrade software to start using it
Planning in next couple week time to put them in store.
And last, there are not a easy way to change switches.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 02:57 PM - 02/03/19
Roads ... the settings in the revised software to get the stick working was:

Lower deadzone: 22

Upper deadzone: 404

In case anyone else is wondering what this means ... it wont affect you ... me and roads had a prototype PCB that needed adjusting and new boards have fixed this.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 11:54 AM - 02/04/19
I got the shipping notification today, man imants is fast with those new analog sticks.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 12:09 PM - 02/04/19
I got the shipping notification today, man imants is fast with those new analog sticks.

Same, where do you live ( state / country )
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: B0wl_of_weed on 03:56 PM - 02/04/19
Me as well goy mine today im in canada imants is amazing with service i wanted express but god dam 123 dollars dam fedex and then so expensive ha
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 03:58 PM - 02/04/19
Wonder whoíll get theirs first, Iím in the UK so Iím pretty close to Imants.

He said 1-2 weeks and even though thatís fine I hope itís sooner lol.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 04:02 PM - 02/04/19
I live in Idaho. You?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 04:05 PM - 02/04/19
London England, pretty close to Imants ( kinda )
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 04:38 PM - 02/04/19
Ah nice London is a cool place I've been there once. So I guess I should have said I'm from the USA in the West side state of Idaho. I'm so stoked to get the azeron!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 04:46 PM - 02/04/19
Ehhhhh, itís alright, really depends how old youíre ( I think ) and same, Iím just going to be refreshing my delivery tracker until it arrives😂

This is one thing I love about Xim, you get to be excited for stuff like this, when you play controller, you have the controller and thatís it, no customisation, Xim, you can do so much more, itís the small things that matter.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: chad20 on 06:41 PM - 02/04/19
You guys suck. Thereís still 11 in front of me. He said probably 2 weeks till he builds mine.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 06:45 PM - 02/04/19
Itís gonna be worth the wait, I just wish there were more videos of the Azeron like made but customers and people with Xim who have it already.

Used to binge watching videos of products I buy whilst waiting to receive them lol.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Rain1dog on 09:16 PM - 02/04/19
When will they be back in stock again?  I thought I remember a few weeks ago it was stated it would be about 2-3 months before I could receive one due to shipping(LA- Gulf Coast), and product out of stock.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 01:28 AM - 02/05/19
When will they be back in stock again?  I thought I remember a few weeks ago it was stated it would be about 2-3 months before I could receive one due to shipping(LA- Gulf Coast), and product out of stock.

If youíve already ordered, you should have definitely received shipping notice yesterday.

If not, you should be receiving in March ( depends what you mean by a few weeks )
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: chad20 on 05:46 AM - 02/05/19
Like I said I ordered on January 9th and thereís still 11 in front of me
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 07:44 AM - 02/05/19
Like I said I ordered on January 9th and thereís still 11 in front of me

It does say in the website how long youíll have to wait
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jobe on 09:14 AM - 02/05/19
Like I said I ordered on January 9th and thereís still 11 in front of me

Yeah that sounds about right tbh,, He did state it takes a whole day to make one keypad (order), yours would be about right, two weeks :).... Mine was shipped yesterday too and I ordered mine Boxing Day, I could of had mine sooner I feel, but I was asked if I wanted the NEW improved sticks so decided to wait the extra couple of weeks for them instead :)

You might have better options too in the next coupe of weeks, better tweaks etc  ;) I'm sure the wait will be worth it  ;D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: sncjez on 10:13 AM - 02/05/19
Wonder whoíll get theirs first, Iím in the UK so Iím pretty close to Imants.

He said 1-2 weeks and even though thatís fine I hope itís sooner lol.

Got mine in 3-4 days to london  8)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 10:14 AM - 02/05/19
Wonder whoíll get theirs first, Iím in the UK so Iím pretty close to Imants.

He said 1-2 weeks and even though thatís fine I hope itís sooner lol.

Got mine in 3-4 days to london  8)

Seriously 😳 well, thatís one day up lol.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 10:15 AM - 02/05/19
Hopefully itíll be that quick, on the tracker it doesnít seem to have even moved from where he left it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: chad20 on 11:20 AM - 02/05/19
I wasnít complaining just trying to give people who are thinking about getting one an idea of how long it will take so itís best to get your order in when you can. I also wanted to wait for the new sticks.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 11:22 AM - 02/05/19
I wasnít complaining just trying to give people who are thinking about getting one an idea of how long it will take so itís best to get your order in when you can. I also wanted to wait for the new sticks.

True that! I was real surprised that he had completed mostly my whole order and then put in the new sticks as soon as he could after they arrived. The new sticks will definitely be worth it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 11:24 AM - 02/05/19
I wasnít complaining just trying to give people who are thinking about getting one an idea of how long it will take so itís best to get your order in when you can. I also wanted to wait for the new sticks.

Oh no I didnít mean it like that lol, was just making sure you knew you could check, my bad.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Rain1dog on 01:51 PM - 02/05/19
No, I never ordered yet.  Last time I asked about the product it was stated that it was out of stock(think mid January) and it would be around March/April before theyíd ship again.

Iím in Louisiana on the Gulf Coast so Iíd assume thatís another 2-3 weeks for delivery.  So I was just trying to get an idea of time.  Thanks for the reply.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 02:09 PM - 02/05/19
Oh daym, after he makes it and starts shipping it, I donít think itíll take that long, I ordered mine in the 18th, he sent it yesterday and Iíve just been notified that itís been sent overboard, could possibly receive it tomorrow but most likely the day after.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jobe on 02:37 PM - 02/05/19
Oh daym, after he makes it and starts shipping it, I donít think itíll take that long, I ordered mine in the 18th, he sent it yesterday and Iíve just been notified that itís been sent overboard, could possibly receive it tomorrow but most likely the day after.

Yeah, just checked mine but selected "Track with options" then selected UK (yeah me too lol) and it appears to be leaving place of origin today >> "This item is now leaving the originating country. More information will be available when it arrives in the UK. <<

Good old Royal Mail  :D  Hoping for a good weekend but highly doubt it  :-\
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 02:40 PM - 02/05/19
Oh daym, after he makes it and starts shipping it, I donít think itíll take that long, I ordered mine in the 18th, he sent it yesterday and Iíve just been notified that itís been sent overboard, could possibly receive it tomorrow but most likely the day after.

Yeah, just checked mine but selected "Track with options" then selected UK (yeah me too lol) and it appears to be leaving place of origin today >> "This item is now leaving the originating country. More information will be available when it arrives in the UK. <<

Good old Royal Mail  :D  Hoping for a good weekend but highly doubt it  :-\

Guess ours are on the same flight haha, and 100% Royal Mail are the best for deliveries ( Iím my experience at least ) theyíre the only company who will bring my parcel to my door, I live in an apartment. If I do miss it, the office is like a 8min walk from my house luckily.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jobe on 02:51 PM - 02/05/19
Oh daym, after he makes it and starts shipping it, I donít think itíll take that long, I ordered mine in the 18th, he sent it yesterday and Iíve just been notified that itís been sent overboard, could possibly receive it tomorrow but most likely the day after.

Yeah, just checked mine but selected "Track with options" then selected UK (yeah me too lol) and it appears to be leaving place of origin today >> "This item is now leaving the originating country. More information will be available when it arrives in the UK. <<

Good old Royal Mail  :D  Hoping for a good weekend but highly doubt it  :-\

Guess ours are on the same flight haha, and 100% Royal Mail are the best for deliveries ( Iím my experience at least ) theyíre the only company who will bring my parcel to my door, I live in an apartment. If I do miss it, the office is like a 8min walk from my house luckily.

Traveling first class I hope lol...Royal Mail have never let me down either, and if I've missed the delivery they will hold it for collection or try to re-deliver! lucky for me I'm just a 5 min drive to the sorting office as well just incase I do miss it. My other half has strict instructions to not leave the house for the next two weeks so all good  ;D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 03:51 PM - 02/05/19
You guys are lucky. Since I live in the US I have to wait like a month. which is a considerable amount of time when you're stoked about something.

Mine just reached Riga. So I'm assuming its being sorted to whatever mail service is gonna take it to the US???
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 03:52 PM - 02/05/19
You guys are lucky. Since I live in the US I have to wait like a month. which is a considerable amount of time when you're stoked about something.

Mine just reached Riga. So I'm assuming its being sorted to whatever mail service is gonna take it to the US???

Thatís the capital of Latvia ( where it will be flown from ), yours is probably just waiting for the flight.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 03:53 PM - 02/05/19
I doubt youíll have to wait too long.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 04:27 PM - 02/05/19
I doubt youíll have to wait too long.

only time will tell! Haha, I look forward to your review on the azeron. I haven't even begun to think of how to use it, make sure its ready to go with the xim apex (do I really need to do that?). Plus I only play a couple games.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 06:23 PM - 02/05/19
Iíll definitely be sharing my opinions and experiences with it.

Got a decent idea of how I want to set it up and I am pretty sure it should just be plug and play with Apex.

If not, once he starts shipping it, heíll send you a link of all the firmware downloads.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 08:19 PM - 02/05/19
Make sure you post those videos or whatever to the forum so I can find them, 🙂
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 08:32 AM - 02/06/19
Make sure you post those videos or whatever to the forum so I can find them, 🙂

100%
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 08:35 AM - 02/06/19
It seems the package / packages have arrived in England but not released to Royal Mail ( delivery service ) yet, from what I was told over the phone, hopefully they will receive it and it could be delivered tomorrow or the day after, Friday would be great.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 11:14 AM - 02/06/19
Did another palm rest mod to lift the height a bit, and while I was at it I put in magnetic swappable stick caps .. as in elite controller ... feels good  :) (but looks awful lol )

(https://i.imgur.com/qOeLFDC.jpg)


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Replacement-JoysticksT8H-Screwdrivers-RepairAccessories-EVORETRO/dp/B07D9515JP/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1549472782&sr=8-14&keywords=evoretro (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Replacement-JoysticksT8H-Screwdrivers-RepairAccessories-EVORETRO/dp/B07D9515JP/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1549472782&sr=8-14&keywords=evoretro)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 04:36 PM - 02/06/19
Did another palm rest mod to lift the height a bit, and while I was at it I put in magnetic swappable stick caps .. as in elite controller ... feels good  :) (but looks awful lol )

(https://i.imgur.com/qOeLFDC.jpg)


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Replacement-JoysticksT8H-Screwdrivers-RepairAccessories-EVORETRO/dp/B07D9515JP/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1549472782&sr=8-14&keywords=evoretro (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Replacement-JoysticksT8H-Screwdrivers-RepairAccessories-EVORETRO/dp/B07D9515JP/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1549472782&sr=8-14&keywords=evoretro)


Daym that orange highkey looks nasty!!!

Especially with the black, I shoulda got that lol.

All the chewing gum kinda ruins it though, should stick it under your desk ;D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 04:45 PM - 02/06/19
Chewing Gum ... it's a flaming egg yolk, get your eyes tested lol.
It looks crap but the comfort while playing is unbelievable, my finger tips just sit nicely on the switches without hitting any wrong switches ... and it fits my hand exactly.

Oh and it's a big hand so less of your cheek lad lol.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 05:01 PM - 02/06/19
Haha, strangely it doesnít ruin the look of the setup.

What is the putty called??

Might get some for myself and try it on both palm rests, I sent imants extra to add both ( hopefully he remembered lol )
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: MisterWicked1 on 09:11 PM - 02/06/19
Did another palm rest mod to lift the height a bit, and while I was at it I put in magnetic swappable stick caps .. as in elite controller ... feels good  :) (but looks awful lol )

(https://i.imgur.com/qOeLFDC.jpg)


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Replacement-JoysticksT8H-Screwdrivers-RepairAccessories-EVORETRO/dp/B07D9515JP/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1549472782&sr=8-14&keywords=evoretro (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Replacement-JoysticksT8H-Screwdrivers-RepairAccessories-EVORETRO/dp/B07D9515JP/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1549472782&sr=8-14&keywords=evoretro)

what you using to mount the controller
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 02:25 AM - 02/07/19
Jobe, does your tracking still say ď This item is now leaving the originating country. More information will be available when it arrives in the UK.ď and ď Item leaving overseas ď on the Royal Mail tracker

ď Item sent abroad ď on the tracker the Etsy website links you to?

Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: BigBen on 04:03 AM - 02/07/19
mine arrived in The Netherlands pretty fast, dispatching took 3 days though...

Be patient
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 05:28 AM - 02/07/19
Did another palm rest mod to lift the height a bit, and while I was at it I put in magnetic swappable stick caps .. as in elite controller ... feels good  :) (but looks awful lol )

(https://i.imgur.com/qOeLFDC.jpg)


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Replacement-JoysticksT8H-Screwdrivers-RepairAccessories-EVORETRO/dp/B07D9515JP/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1549472782&sr=8-14&keywords=evoretro (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Replacement-JoysticksT8H-Screwdrivers-RepairAccessories-EVORETRO/dp/B07D9515JP/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1549472782&sr=8-14&keywords=evoretro)

what you using to mount the controller

I think this is the one I bought
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00UVF1UMG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/CamKix-compatible-Session-Compact-Cameras/dp/B00NIBQXGS/ref=sr_1_3?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1549537992&sr=1-3&keywords=flexible+mount+for+goproChose)
Chose the option of the version with the screw fitted on the end that takes the camera, then I bought a brass insert with the same thread as the screw (think it was 1/4 inch and hard to get in UK) I just drilled a hole in a small piece of wood and screwed the brass threaded insert into it ...  then screwed the wood onto the end of the camera mount.Put some self adhesive velcro on the bottom of the controller and the bit of wood and put them together.
It works really well ... you can bend it all over the place ... change the height from the desk and it never sags.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 05:53 AM - 02/07/19
Doesnít it get in the way of your screen ( Iím guessing you use it for things such as vehicle and skydivie movement on Blackout ( if you play that )

Feel like it would be quite a hassle switching from the two mid gunfight
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 05:55 AM - 02/07/19
And what is the putty stuff on your Azeron called?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 06:18 AM - 02/07/19
Doesnít it get in the way of your screen ( Iím guessing you use it for things such as vehicle and skydivie movement on Blackout ( if you play that )

Feel like it would be quite a hassle switching from the two mid gunfight
It's on a pull out table that I use with a wall mounted large screen TV so it doesn't get in the way at all, but even if it was next to a monitor it would work as it is bendy and could clamp to the desk at the side of the monitor.
There are bits in games that I prefer to use the controller ... and for stuff like The Division I can use the controller quicker than using an aux config for switching nades and stuff.
The "putty stuff" is polydoh ... thermo plastic balls that you put in hot water to blend together.
Oh and when my compact arrived at my door from Royal Mail ... the tracking still had it sitting at the airport sorting building.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 06:21 AM - 02/07/19
Doesnít it get in the way of your screen ( Iím guessing you use it for things such as vehicle and skydivie movement on Blackout ( if you play that )

Feel like it would be quite a hassle switching from the two mid gunfight
It's on a pull out table that I use with a wall mounted large screen TV so it doesn't get in the way at all, but even if it was next to a monitor it would work as it is bendy and could clamp to the desk at the side of the monitor.
There are bits in games that I prefer to use the controller ... and for stuff like The Division I can use the controller quicker than using an aux config for switching nades and stuff.
The "putty stuff" is polydoh ... thermo plastic balls that you put in hot water to blend together.
Oh and when my compact arrived at my door from Royal Mail ... the tracking still had it sitting at the airport sorting building.

Definitely going to look into getting some.

Oh wow seriously?

I should go and check the concierge, if itís not there and they have ď delivered ď it, Iím going to turn some human hands into Azeronís :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jobe on 09:35 AM - 02/07/19
Jobe, does your tracking still say ď This item is now leaving the originating country. More information will be available when it arrives in the UK.ď and ď Item leaving overseas ď on the Royal Mail tracker

ď Item sent abroad ď on the tracker the Etsy website links you to?

Let me check........ Yup same thing still  :o,, Although I did wonder where you got the info saying it was in the UK and was just waiting to be handed over to RM ? I looked for that and couldn't find anything ???

Fingers crossed its any-day now, you never know tomorrow it may say "Being delivered" :D

Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 10:00 AM - 02/07/19
I called them and thatís what the woman said but I donít understand how she could say that if it hadnít been given to them lol.

If you check the tracker on the Etsy sight and stay on the Latvian page, it will say ď United Kingdom & Northern Ireland- Item sent abroad ď

I donít know what flight takes 2 days but it only makes sense that theyíre being held up at the airport or like Au1d implied, they donít do a very good job at updating Latvian deliveries.

Never had this *issue*. Maybe Iím just being impatient but they do say weíll be updated once itís in the UK lol.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: sncjez on 10:07 AM - 02/07/19
Royal mail can be 16-24 hrs behind on tracking updates same as parcelforce, Imants sent me dispatch details on a tuesday and i received the azeron on the saturday of that week pretty sure tracking status still showed still in sw london depot at the time of delivery.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 10:11 AM - 02/07/19
All well thatís unhelpful, Royal Mail delivery vans deliver outside the apartments I live at  2-3 times a day religiously, hoping theyíll leave it with the concierge if anything if not I can just walk to the office but thatís all extra.

Wish I coulda used amazon prime lol.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 12:10 PM - 02/07/19
All well thatís unhelpful, Royal Mail delivery vans deliver outside the apartments I live at  2-3 times a day religiously, hoping theyíll leave it with the concierge if anything if not I can just walk to the office but thatís all extra.

Wish I coulda used amazon prime lol.

How do you know its being delivered by Royal mail ?  Did he post via  his national post   or   dpd  ?   
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 01:14 PM - 02/07/19
 Nahh, he said theyíre taking over and on the tracking website, it says theyíre taking over
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jobe on 01:49 PM - 02/07/19
lol,,,

Anyway just checked mine and now it's saying "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Irela - Item received at mail exchange site"

Further proof at RM > "This item has been received at LANGLEY HWDC, United Kingdom. More information will be available as it travels through our UK network."

So touch down I guess  ;D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 01:51 PM - 02/07/19
Oh yup same, thanks for the update ( 3 kiss emojis )
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 01:52 PM - 02/07/19
Also, if you check Royal Mail, theyíre saying they have it so itís agooo.

Recommend downloading the Royal Mail app, itís quite addictive.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jobe on 02:03 PM - 02/07/19
Oh yup same, thanks for the update ( 3 kiss emojis )

  :P

Less Apps the better for me, but thanks for the tip anyway  ;) There's only one App I really use on my phone "Xim Manager" I feel this one is more addictive hehe....
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 04:53 PM - 02/07/19
Oh yup same, thanks for the update ( 3 kiss emojis )

If its at Langley , it will be delivered tomorrow.   I guess
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 05:28 PM - 02/07/19
Oh yup same, thanks for the update ( 3 kiss emojis )

If its at Langley , it will be delivered tomorrow.   I guess

Hopefully :D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: burnttoast on 08:39 PM - 02/07/19
I didnt order til the 17th - so jealous
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: kathandril on 03:37 PM - 02/08/19
How long did shipping take to get to the US?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 05:30 PM - 02/08/19
How long did shipping take to get to the US?
Usually about 3-4 weeks.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 06:27 PM - 02/08/19
Mine shipped a few days ago, I haven't gotten word on it reaching the USA yet, my guess is that it's in a boat and will take as long as azeron said to get here.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 07:40 AM - 02/09/19
Arived like 30mins ago, Iím going to get everything set up and Iíll share how I feel once Iíve had a little time with it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 08:49 AM - 02/09/19
Thingís already messed up.

https://community.xim.tech/index.php?topic=75367.0
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: EmanueleCiriachi on 08:52 AM - 02/09/19
Hello everyone, first post, I registered as this is probably the biggest Azeron thread I could find.

I'm UK based and received mine yesterday. I fiddled with it a bit, read the manual, updated the firmware to the latest version and tried to create a keyboard profile for the game I bought it for (Elite Dangerous).

I encountered the following issues:

The software advertised on the Manual (http://"https://azeron.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Azeron-Manual-V2.0.pdf") does not appear to be the one you can download (EDIT: at time of writing, the one you can download is version 0.3.3): in particular, no feature for Hardware/Software profiles was found: https://www.screencast.com/t/a2QdytJdooaR

I am completely unable to rebind the keyboard bindings; after downloading the Azeron software and opening it, I have done the following:

-switch to keyboard mode;
-open a text editor and press a button on the Azeron: the "p" letter is printed;
-I find the button in the software bound to "p", and change the keyboard bind to "m";
-I press again the same button on the Azeron, and it still prints "p" - disregarding my change.

Did anyone else encountered similar issues?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 01:53 PM - 02/09/19
Hello everyone, first post, I registered as this is probably the biggest Azeron thread I could find.

I'm UK based and received mine yesterday. I fiddled with it a bit, read the manual, updated the firmware to the latest version and tried to create a keyboard profile for the game I bought it for (Elite Dangerous).

I encountered the following issues:

The software advertised on the Manual (http://"https://azeron.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Azeron-Manual-V2.0.pdf") does not appear to be the one you can download (EDIT: at time of writing, the one you can download is version 0.3.3): in particular, no feature for Hardware/Software profiles was found: https://www.screencast.com/t/a2QdytJdooaR

I am completely unable to rebind the keyboard bindings; after downloading the Azeron software and opening it, I have done the following:

-switch to keyboard mode;
-open a text editor and press a button on the Azeron: the "p" letter is printed;
-I find the button in the software bound to "p", and change the keyboard bind to "m";
-I press again the same button on the Azeron, and it still prints "p" - disregarding my change.

Did anyone else encountered similar issues?
Fixed by installing teensy serial driver. https://www.pjrc.com/teensy/serial_install.exe
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 03:43 PM - 02/09/19
Probably going to do my little ď review ď in a few hours, all Iím saying is I fall more in love with this thing the more I adjust it ;D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 06:32 PM - 02/09/19
JDM I'd also like you to either mention how loud the buttons are or even push the buttons so I can know how it sounds! I'm super excited to see a review.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 06:37 PM - 02/09/19
JDM I'd also like you to either mention how loud the buttons are or even push the buttons so I can know how it sounds! I'm super excited to see a review.

The push and pull sound like G502 clicks and the press ( Keyboard kinda buttons ) take a bit of pressure to click and sound kinda like the Rival 600 side buttons.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 06:41 PM - 02/09/19
Thanks!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 06:48 PM - 02/09/19
It is really good, Iím going to give it a minute to get used to.

Surprisingly, it does feel like itís going to be really easy to get used to, nothing like when I was trying Keyboard lol.

One tip would be try and bind switches as the same motion and finger you would have had it on whatever youbused before ( if that makes sense )

So like if you had the Nav and used L2 for Jump, make the index finger pull ď jump ď

The less things you change with that method, the easier it feels.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 04:39 AM - 02/10/19
Does anyone know how I can rotate the forwards motion of the thumb stick slightly counterclockwise?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 05:30 AM - 02/10/19
Does anyone know how I can rotate the forwards motion of the thumb stick slightly counterclockwise?
Use Angle slider under analog stick menu.
(https://i.ibb.co/L80qJTt/0001-Copy.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c1ypCWF)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 05:44 AM - 02/10/19
Ive still been unable to eat that software to work.

After the first time I had it, i closed it and reopened and it went back to the first issue ( screenshot ) I sent you.

Sat down resetting my pc, redownloading it for about 3 hours and got nowhere lol.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 06:07 AM - 02/10/19
Got it now, just not going to close it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 02:53 PM - 02/11/19
I have basically given up on constant refreshing of the tracker because I think it's just on a boat headed to the US, so I suppose I might just be surprised to see any tracking activity this week on my Azeron.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 03:40 PM - 02/11/19
I have basically given up on constant refreshing of the tracker because I think it's just on a boat headed to the US, so I suppose I might just be surprised to see any tracking activity this week on my Azeron.
I know that feeling, I waiting 2 months for my USB cables and tracking information stands like frozen :D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 03:25 PM - 02/12/19
Does anyone know how I can rotate the forwards motion of the thumb stick slightly counterclockwise?

Why are you trying to alter joystick   motion ?  Is default  setting not good ?  If not then why not ?!

If its been set at perfect place by Azeron,  you should not have such issue ?!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 03:36 PM - 02/12/19
Naw, it was making it so the natural direction I would push forward was moving diagonally left so I would have to push at a weird angle which was pretty much impossible to keep up when trying to play without thinking.

Easy to fix and Iíve fixed it though.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: piiwii on 03:38 PM - 02/12/19
Naw, it was making it so the natural direction I would push forward was moving diagonally left so I would have to push at a weird angle which was pretty much impossible to keep up when trying to play without thinking.

Easy to fix and Iíve fixed it though.

I knew what you meant. The direction your thumb points is probably different due to hand size. You should probably mention how you fixed it cause I imagine this might be a common issue.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: burnttoast on 04:34 PM - 02/12/19
Mine is being shipped next week, Being a noob how easy is it to set up with XIM? - i see it says it is straight out of the box but is that true as I see some posts contradictory to that?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: MisterWicked1 on 04:36 PM - 02/12/19
Naw, it was making it so the natural direction I would push forward was moving diagonally left so I would have to push at a weird angle which was pretty much impossible to keep up when trying to play without thinking.

Easy to fix and Iíve fixed it though.

You make your review yet? Make some tutorials if you got the time also that way those of us waiting patiently got some insight what we are in for
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 05:20 PM - 02/12/19
Yes I am eagerly awaiting JDMs review. Especially since my tracking notifications are nonexistent.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 01:48 AM - 02/13/19
Sorry I havenít shared anything yet, Iím still trying to get use to it.

One thing Iím going to say is, I donít think itís going to make you a better player and RIGHT NOW, I think for me, the Nav was more comfortable, I think I just like the fact itís secure in my hand ( Nav ). I think this will go over time, just may be he fact Iím not completely use to the buttons...

This is probably because Iíve completely ruined my sensitivity in Fortnite and now canít tell whether I should be playing with a really high or just high sensitivity.

Iíve pretty much got the buttons down, just the panic clicks are still a huge thing.

The press buttons feel like they take way too much force to click and Iíd like it if the pull buttons had less travel distance. They activate and click pretty fast, just thereís a lot of loose space after that. I think Iíd prefer it if the pressure it takes to click the press buttons ( keyboard like buttons ) was swapped with the pull buttons and maybe even the travel. Right now Iím not using any of the keyboard like buttons, just to hard to press. I might just need to adjust the fingers so I can press them better, right now I have it setup so itís easier to access the pull buttons.

I canít really say much because Iím not completely use to it and Iím getting slightly frustrated about my sensitivity.

It is a good device, the build quality isnít great due to the screws, it seems like the issue I made a post about is happening with all of the fingers, I just know how to prevent it which I feel like I shouldnít have to worry about and hopefully this is improved on newer orders.

Iím looking at it right now as a test product and it does work well once youíve got it set up properly.

Setup ( technically) is pretty easy, only issue was the thumbstick which was easy to change.

Also, the tower buttons are really badly cut, maybe itís just mine but they look like they were cut with a knife.

Right now, Iím kinda only saying the bad things about it but Iím not used to it. In

With what I said about the Nav feeling more comfortable to me, I have noticed the extra buttons are quite nice, itís just more comfortable to hold which will most likely change once Iíve build proper muscle memory.

Iíll share more soon hopefully.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 07:44 PM - 02/13/19
Did you order the Compact or original? Compact's towers are much better for console gaming.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 07:46 PM - 02/13/19
Yup, the Compact.

Starting to get more comfortable with it, not really having the most fun gaming right now, kinda starting to realise how bad console is lol ( nothing to do with the keypad )

My only issues with it would be the build quality, the screws and stuff.

Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 02:07 AM - 02/14/19
Yup, the Compact.

Starting to get more comfortable with it, not really having the most fun gaming right now, kinda starting to realise how bad console is lol ( nothing to do with the keypad )

My only issues with it would be the build quality, the screws and stuff.

Maybe you should give it few days /week,  come back and write a tentative review  ?!

It will be more helpful for others including myself.   
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 02:09 AM - 02/14/19
Did you order the Compact or original? Compact's towers are much better for console gaming.

Is your compact too ? May I please know if you have any issues with build quality or screws ?

My order is in process ,   but i would like to hear from you as someone else has confused the @#$% out of me by all negativity about  Azeron compact.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ceebs on 03:21 AM - 02/14/19
Did you order the Compact or original? Compact's towers are much better for console gaming.

Is your compact too ? May I please know if you have any issues with build quality or screws ?

My order is in process ,   but i would like to hear from you as someone else has confused the @#$% out of me by all negativity about  Azeron compact.
It's an excellent bit of kit. Hand built by a real craftsman. Buttons are all very responsive and easy to use. Thumbstick works well and palmpad is perfect for my medium-sized hand.

The Azeron is adjustable to fit different finger lengths. As with any artisan, hand-made product it's important to be careful when you make those tweaks. I was, and I had no problems.

Imants is constantly tweaking both the hardware and software based on feedback from this community. This results in many small variations in the product (finger towers, thumbsticks (with and without PCB) and more upcoming) so buyers with different variations have different experiences.

The software is constantly being upgraded, as is the norm with a niche product like the Azeron (and the XIM!) but I found it easy to use and have set all my bindings and the thumbstick deadzone to my preference without difficulty.

I bought the compact version and my device works and handles exactly as I would hope.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: S13002931 on 04:20 AM - 02/14/19
Did you order the Compact or original? Compact's towers are much better for console gaming.

Is your compact too ? May I please know if you have any issues with build quality or screws ?

My order is in process ,   but i would like to hear from you as someone else has confused the @#$% out of me by all negativity about  Azeron compact.
It's an excellent bit of kit. Hand built by a real craftsman. Buttons are all very responsive and easy to use. Thumbstick works well and palmpad is perfect for my medium-sized hand.

The Azeron is adjustable to fit different finger lengths. As with any artisan, hand-made product it's important to be careful when you make those tweaks. I was, and I had no problems.

Imants is constantly tweaking both the hardware and software based on feedback from this community. This results in many small variations in the product (finger towers, thumbsticks (with and without PCB) and more upcoming) so buyers with different variations have different experiences.

The software is constantly being upgraded, as is the norm with a niche product like the Azeron (and the XIM!) but I found it easy to use and have set all my bindings and the thumbstick deadzone to my preference without difficulty.

I bought the compact version and my device works and handles exactly as I would hope.

Thanks very much. Peace of mind   :)   My compact will be delivered in march.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 06:01 AM - 02/14/19
If you give it the time it needs to adapt to a new way of finger control on a keypad the Azeron is in a class of it's own ... I'm really enjoying gaming much more since I started using it.

Sure it might have a few niggles, but it's nothing that can't be fixed .. my screws were a bit wonky, but it's handmade at a price that I think is underselling the true value of its worth, and I'm not going to complain about a few minutes of my time fixing it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 06:07 AM - 02/14/19
Did you order the Compact or original? Compact's towers are much better for console gaming.

Is your compact too ? May I please know if you have any issues with build quality or screws ?

My order is in process ,   but i would like to hear from you as someone else has confused the @#$% out of me by all negativity about  Azeron compact.
Relax ... everyone doesn't all like the same things in life ... you wont know till you get one in your hand.
I have the original Tower Azeron and the Compact Azeron and I love them both .... you on the other hand might not like them at all?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 06:19 AM - 02/14/19

Sure it might have a few niggles, but it's nothing that can't be fixed .. my screws were a bit wonky, but it's handmade at a price that I think is underselling the true value of its worth, and I'm not going to complain about a few minutes of my time fixing it.



100% agree, itís a great product but it is hand made and obviously being made by one persons isnít going to be perfect.

Playing with it is great, just some things you need to look out for so you donít ruin it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Zorph on 01:19 PM - 02/14/19
I don't know how or were the screws are stripping.  Is it possible to use a bolt/nut or clue in an insert to screw into?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 08:27 PM - 02/14/19
I don't know how or were the screws are stripping.  Is it possible to use a bolt/nut or clue in an insert to screw into?

Thatís what the screws are in, put they pull it out.

**  not in reply to your post **

 No I wasnít being careless, Iíve spent to much and been to excited for it, I love the product but Iím going to point out flaws so they can be worked on.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 08:56 PM - 02/14/19
No I wasnít being careless, Iíve spent to much and been to excited for it, I love the product but Iím going to point out flaws so they can be worked on.
First, I did send replacement part.
Second, You did over tight screws, as these brass inserts could not go into in metal part just like that.
(https://i.ibb.co/R4pdxNC/Capture.jpg) (https://ibb.co/prv5tQ3)
Third, You can send it back and I will return a money.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 09:06 PM - 02/14/19
I should explain better what my issue was.

It was only that finger that happened to, I hadnít tightened it at all, I was setting it up, like I said, it happened minutes after removing it from the box.

I had a few fingers done and moved to that one, unscrewed it a little more ( not tightened ) and then went to turn it, the screw and the brass turned which I had to push back into place. I hadnít touched that finger at all before I had the issue.

Made sure from the start I used the long end to unscrew and turned using my index and thumb to make sure I wouldnít over tighten them.


Like I said, it is a great product, Iím pointing these things out so others can take extra care so they donít run into the same issues. Au1d said he had the same issue and so did another user.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 09:08 PM - 02/14/19
Probably going to do my little ď review ď in a few hours, all Iím saying is I fall more in love with this thing the more I adjust it ;D

Just wanted to quote this as it seems to be flying over peoples heads that I DO LIKE THE AZERON.

I would have returned it if I didnít.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jamesbone on 03:00 AM - 02/15/19
Imants

Just curious how far away my keypad is not in a rush just curious where I am in the line :P

Order number #1410884207

Thanks 😁
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 03:07 AM - 02/15/19
I'm curious where my order is too, but USPS won't tell me. It's only been a week though so if I can't track the package within the USA then fine, it's out there somewhere getting closer and closer everyday.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 05:35 AM - 02/15/19
Imants

Just curious how far away my keypad is not in a rush just curious where I am in the line :P

Order number #1410884207

Thanks 😁
Next week will be ready and shipped out.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ceebs on 10:53 AM - 02/15/19
Is there anyone here currently using these devices and did not have the issues? My searches aren't returning any. Is there no better way for this device to secure itself without the potential for bad threading or stripping or just pieces falling out? I mean, when day 1 of use leads to those really harsh metal on metal marks, I have a reasonable reason for concern.
You clearly haven't read my response on the previous page of this thread.

Please be aware that it is the nature of consumers to raise issues if they have them, but to not communicate if they have none, hence the phrase: the vocal minority. Also, those that subscribe to this forum are, by their very nature of being social media users, likely to voice their opinions if they perceive faults further skewing perceptions of other readers.

Trust me, the Azeron is a great product at a great price. Get one.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 11:32 AM - 02/15/19
No I wasnít being careless, Iíve spent to much and been to excited for it, I love the product but Iím going to point out flaws so they can be worked on.
First, I did send replacement part.
Second, You did over tight screws, as these brass inserts could not go into in metal part just like that.
(https://i.ibb.co/R4pdxNC/Capture.jpg) (https://ibb.co/prv5tQ3)
Third, You can send it back and I will return a money.


This response really turned me off as a potential buyer. There is no doubt an issue when three people here had the same issue. If there is potential for this to happen so easily, it's a design issue. If you disagree, provide us some video evidence to show what you believe this user and other users have done and what they should have done. Otherwise, I am going to believe the person who simply wants a good product for their money. Your other responses have been a lot more friendly, but this one certainly won't age well.

I appreciate people buying these and testing them and giving honest reviews because these forums are FULL of misinformation by people too afraid to give honest reviews. Too many people here think they can throw money at problems and instantly become better players.

Sounds to me like the biggest selling point for this is the ability to easily adjust it to fit your hand, yet the only people here reviewing it all had the same issue. Is there anyone here currently using these devices and did not have the issues? My searches aren't returning any. Is there no better way for this device to secure itself without the potential for bad threading or stripping or just pieces falling out? I mean, when day 1 of use leads to those really harsh metal on metal marks, I have a reasonable reason for concern.

Well if I was a potential buyer and I saw a response like that from the seller, I would think that looks like pretty good customer service.

He sent a spare part free of charge, and also offered a full money back refund.

But I am not a "potential buyer" ... I have both versions of the Azeron and I couldn't be happier with the customer service I have had from Imants.

When I got my compact delivered I told him that I was a wee bit dissapointed that he had reduced the spacing on the switches ... he apologised for not pointing this out to me and said that I could send it back and he would change it back to the old spacing for me.

He did not ask for any payment for this, but I wanted to contribute to the cost ... I had to pester him for ages to try and get paypal details out of him so I could do what I thought was the right thing as there was nothing wrong with the compact he sent me .. it was my fingers that found the spacing too tight.

I have had 3 Azerons and I've been using one for a good while so here is a review that is completely honest ... yes I did have a slight problem with the brass inserts on one of them but I fixed it easily myself after taking the time to unscrew the fingers to do it.

Would I buy it again after having this little problem ... ABSOLUTELY .. I friggin love this keypad !!
I'm just glad that someone who, (in my opinion) maybe did not start this as a business venture, has decided to make it available to others, at a price that doesn't reflect the time he has invested in this.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 11:45 AM - 02/15/19
^ I also agree with that and the previous replies.

I also love the Azeron and Iím starting to feel as if imants feels like I am trying to attack the Azeron, which Iím not, Iím simply sharing my experience with the Azeron.

Iím not going to express how excited I am to receive it and then go silent once I receive it and have problems with it.

Imants customer service has been amazing, better then anything Iíve dealt with before, extremely fast and helpful.

The Azeron is an amazing product and we ( the Xim community) have been asking for something like this forever, it has its flaws which is expected, itís hand made but once you get around all of them ( if you do run into any ) it is amazing.

Sorry if this has seemed like Iím trying to put a bad name on Azeron, Iím not and have tried my best to make that known. Its your decision whether it by you want to invest your money into it and Iím just letting people know what they could experience and let Imants know what I feel could be worked on.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jamesbone on 05:41 PM - 02/15/19
Imants

Just curious how far away my keypad is not in a rush just curious where I am in the line :P

Order number #1410884207

Thanks 😁
Next week will be ready and shipped out.

Thanks for reply awesome :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: levis51653 on 11:12 PM - 02/15/19
Does anyone possess and can affirm this item works?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 03:16 AM - 02/16/19
Does anyone possess and can affirm this item works?

Yes, it works.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Markie_X on 07:20 AM - 02/16/19
Imants as the owner and creator is doing a great job communicating with it's customers,
adapting/evolving the Azeron, building the Azeron and shipping the Azeron.

When i orderded mine is was impressed in how the assembly & design of the Azeron came through.
From the start i understood this was a start-up company with an evolving product
and any changes to the new units i welcome and is perceived by me as a positive.

The 2018 Azeron will not be the same piece of kit as the 2019 Azeron, if you perceive
this as the 2018 being a lesser product or a negative you should not order in my opinion.

The fact that the 'handmade' term is being used as a negative surpises me, F1 cars are
being made by 'hand' and so are some of the most expensive watches in the world.
This is an evolving product which in it's current state is better than my Logitch G13's which
i used for nearly 10 years.

After 8 weeks i'm still figuring out the best angle for my hand and i have some ideas what would
benefit the Azeron. The idea that i can communicate with Imants and that he listens to the
feedback is just great, try this with Logitech after the your 6th G13 breaks down.

The Azeron unit is a wonderfull piece of kit in my opinion and i'm glad i'm able to see such a project.

Sorry if this comes over as a rant, just wanted it of my chest  :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 08:23 AM - 02/16/19
That's no rant mate ... what you are saying is spot on.
It's a unique experience to be able to throw ideas back to the guy that built your keypad for you, and be listened to and answered in next to no time  :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: BigBen on 02:33 AM - 02/17/19
I have to chime in also.

You're searches didn't retrurn any ? I am a very happy compact user from the start, I didn't have any issue with the screws. My only complaints were about the palm rest and the joystick. Both are solved already although I have to say the I got used to the joystick and it is defintly not less the NAV one. I posted more than once about htis.

I ordered a second compact (I might get back in to pc gaming with the extra Azeron) I dont have shares in Imants business so why would I do that if I dont like it ? I have never seen better customer care in the last 5 years than the one by Imants.

The price of the Azeron is also way to cheap in my opinion but ofcourse I cannot look into your wallet (or disposable income), I spent so much money on more expensive useless gaming gear that I am ashamed of it....

But hey any hoby has it costs....

Best gaming product (together with the XIM ofcourse) of the last 5 years !
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 08:38 PM - 02/17/19
I just got notified that my azeron is not far from me now! I'll probably have it on Tuesday! The thing that's Bummer is I'll have to wait to try it out till the end of the week.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ejsilk on 07:11 PM - 02/18/19
Hi,

so is there a way to replace the thumbstick for those who already purchased The Azeron?

Fantastic piece of kit, by the way. loving it to bits.
Yes, there will be two options, first as You see in picture PCB board with analog stick, but to change them need soldering, second will be full thumbstick body (Thumbstick body with analog stick and 5-way d-pad with all wires) can be swapped without soldering.

Nice
Let us know when they are available

Hi Imants,

Is the thumbstick available yet?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 07:34 PM - 02/18/19
Thumbsticks have been available for a while
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 04:47 AM - 02/19/19
Just uploaded a video showing the improvements Iíve made within the week since I got my Azeron. Still have ALOT of muscle memory to build and improvements ingame because I lack so many basic skills right now due to me quitting the game around season 5. Iíll post another once I see more improvement with the device.

https://youtu.be/qz9Jp3zY8ps
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jobe on 10:46 AM - 02/19/19
I've had mine for little over a week now, was deliverd around the 8th Feb I think  ::)

I've pld with it quite a bit and I am still adjusting it here and there,, When I first used it the dead-zone in the stick was way off unfortunately, I mean the outter dead-zone.I just could not get the cursor to reach the corners no matter what I did in the software.. It was pretty frustrating but Imant's quickly saw the issue I was having and sent me a testing firmware/Software to try which gave me the options to decrease the outter DZ by a huge margin.. I think the Software I am using is 0.5.0 ??

Running my outter DZ now @ 216 ish I think, but what ever..it solved the issue so I'm happy lol..
It can be a bit buggy plugging into XIM though, I had to switch the JOY button on and off a couple of times for it to work, if this was not done it would act as if a key is stuck down and would continue scrolling through Xbox dashboard lol,, I put this down to software though which I hope is improving :)

For the build quality though I am a happy camper, although yeah I agree the way you make adjustments can be a bit fiddly. When you loosen screws the Arms don't always slide the way you want them too, just a bit rough that's all, but to be expected. Just be careful and remember to do them back up after adjusting, I forgot a few times :(
 
So far though loving the device, would of loved the back row buttons a bit more leaned back towards the parm just for more comfort but I'm being fussy & lazy lol oh and a smaller Stick much like a hat switch size but analog :)

I think the only thing that feels strange with this setup for me personally is using my finger nails to activate the buttons, I feel no buttons which is super odd, but I am still trying to get to grips with it (no pun intended)  :o
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:49 AM - 02/19/19
Thatís why I would like W11ces code it just works with XIM. Always did.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 10:52 AM - 02/19/19
Jobe, I recommend only using the pull buttons. I think I have one of the fingernail buttons doubled up as left DPAD or something so I can switch materials and traps in Fortnite, think I was also using it for sprint in Apex Legends.

Square, I use middle finger click ( down / keyboard press ) circle, pinky pull. X / jump, index pull and L1, Middle finger pull.

Pressing the analog for sprint is to hard, could use the button that would be thumbnail but I removed that ones tower and pulled it to the other side to give myself more space as I play mousepad on lap.

Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jobe on 10:55 AM - 02/19/19
Thatís why I would like W11ces code it just works with XIM. Always did.

I take it this will come though yeah ???

I can live with switching modes a couple of times to make it work or be seen at least, but yeah it would be nice to not have to do that :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 03:10 PM - 02/19/19
Thatís why I would like W11ces code it just works with XIM. Always did.

@roads the latest w11ces code is just in this thread somewhere right?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: W11cE on 06:19 PM - 02/19/19
https://github.com/W11cE/Azeron-Simplified-Firmware-for-XIM-Apex

Havent updated the dpad in yet, but at least I managed to put it now into GitHub.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cassidy on 06:28 PM - 02/19/19
I want to buy. I went to their shop but can't find where to order. Can someone help me?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 06:31 PM - 02/19/19
Awesome thank you! Now I just gotta read this thread again so I know how to use your code.i just got my azeron original and it pains me that I can't really try it out till the weekend, but it looks great!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 10:14 PM - 02/19/19
Flashed the Teensy and code is fine very responsive.

Instructions: install arduino, install Teensyduino after starting arduino once. Three files have to be in one folder, Arduino wants to put the ino file in a sketch folder, move the other two files there also. In arduino Board choose Teensy ++2.0, USB Type keyboard+mouse+joystickand port choose the Azeron. Press reset button, compile and upload.

Roads, I'm a little bit lost on your directions.... Do you think you could make it a little bit easier for me to understand? Or can someone else help me understand?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: BigBen on 12:23 AM - 02/20/19
What is the reason that you want to load another firmware ? I used my compact out of the box and it works perfect. When I start my Xbox most of the time I have to hit the joystick/keyboard button twice to get the azeron recognised but that's all. Never changed anything.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jumpy on 12:39 AM - 02/20/19
Flashed the Teensy and code is fine very responsive.

Instructions: install arduino, install Teensyduino after starting arduino once. Three files have to be in one folder, Arduino wants to put the ino file in a sketch folder, move the other two files there also. In arduino Board choose Teensy ++2.0, USB Type keyboard+mouse+joystickand port choose the Azeron. Press reset button, compile and upload.

Roads, I'm a little bit lost on your directions.... Do you think you could make it a little bit easier for me to understand? Or can someone else help me understand?

See my old post on page 7 for step by step instructions.

Just make sure you have all W11ce's files from github in one folder, and copy paste his code (the .ino file) instead of my old code.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 04:26 AM - 02/20/19
Well I couldn't resist playing with the azeron tonight. I think I may have succeeded in getting w11ces code flashed on it with roads instructions, and I thought the azeron was awesome.

I had two problems though, the analog stick wouldn't work in battlefront 2015 to let me choose a hero while playing in game, but it worked for all the rest of the game and for the PS4 menus. And I quit that game and stuck on battlefront 2017 and the analog wouldn't work at all for anything in game, but again would work in the PS4 menus.

So I think I might have messed something up with the flashing instructions, which I still think could be a little more clear, or something?? IDK but I hope it's just a firmware problem and not the azeron itself.

It works flawlessly, it's so comfy and easy for me to get used to. Love the analog for movement. I highly recommend this product.

Also I wonder if I re flash imants software if that'll patch this problem up for me.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 11:58 AM - 02/20/19
Well I couldn't resist playing with the azeron tonight. I think I may have succeeded in getting w11ces code flashed on it with roads instructions, and I thought the azeron was awesome.

I had two problems though, the analog stick wouldn't work in battlefront 2015 to let me choose a hero while playing in game, but it worked for all the rest of the game and for the PS4 menus. And I quit that game and stuck on battlefront 2017 and the analog wouldn't work at all for anything in game, but again would work in the PS4 menus.

So I think I might have messed something up with the flashing instructions, which I still think could be a little more clear, or something?? IDK but I hope it's just a firmware problem and not the azeron itself.

It works flawlessly, it's so comfy and easy for me to get used to. Love the analog for movement. I highly recommend this product.

Also I wonder if I re flash imants software if that'll patch this problem up for me.
You can download our last firmware and software from web page and there is upper deadzone slider it must fix that problem. Just these new sticks have different zone size and upper deadzone will compensate it.
(https://i.ibb.co/JyKJFQD/Capture.jpg) (https://ibb.co/P9NHzQq)
And if anyone have problem with double click can try set delay on buttons and give us a feedback, if that helps later will make possible set it for every button separately.
(https://i.ibb.co/8z3VpPZ/Capture2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hX5vj2z)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ThisGuy on 12:18 PM - 02/20/19
I was finally able to order one today after checking the website over and over for a couple weeks at least. I am excited to try this out and 6-8 weeks can't get here soon enough.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: KingDingAling on 04:38 PM - 02/20/19
I was finally able to order one today after checking the website over and over for a couple weeks at least. I am excited to try this out and 6-8 weeks can't get here soon enough.

Just ordered mine today too I literally can't wait 😆😆😆
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 10:11 PM - 02/20/19
Well I couldn't resist playing with the azeron tonight. I think I may have succeeded in getting w11ces code flashed on it with roads instructions, and I thought the azeron was awesome.

I had two problems though, the analog stick wouldn't work in battlefront 2015 to let me choose a hero while playing in game, but it worked for all the rest of the game and for the PS4 menus. And I quit that game and stuck on battlefront 2017 and the analog wouldn't work at all for anything in game, but again would work in the PS4 menus.

So I think I might have messed something up with the flashing instructions, which I still think could be a little more clear, or something?? IDK but I hope it's just a firmware problem and not the azeron itself.

It works flawlessly, it's so comfy and easy for me to get used to. Love the analog for movement. I highly recommend this product.

Also I wonder if I re flash imants software if that'll patch this problem up for me.
You can download our last firmware and software from web page and there is upper deadzone slider it must fix that problem. Just these new sticks have different zone size and upper deadzone will compensate it.
(https://i.ibb.co/JyKJFQD/Capture.jpg) (https://ibb.co/P9NHzQq)
And if anyone have problem with double click can try set delay on buttons and give us a feedback, if that helps later will make possible set it for every button separately.
(https://i.ibb.co/8z3VpPZ/Capture2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hX5vj2z)

alright Imants I got it to work. But I don't understand what the deadzone means exactly, I guess I'll read up about it in the azeron manual. I just messed with it until it worked. I wonder what the best settings are for this ps4 stick. :D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 11:44 AM - 02/21/19
Just uploaded another video with thre Azeron Compact, improvements are being made.

Most my issues now are simply to do with gameplay and understanding how the games changed.

Check it out please :)

https://youtu.be/SYTNZC3nl_o
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Thera6179 on 01:44 PM - 02/22/19
Imants,
            Any plans to make it wireless [Yes I read that you have to go through the wireless certification to get it to work]. I am willing to buy even if I have to re-solder a new Teensy board with blue-tooth on it. If you want me to test [at my cost] a wireless solution, you have my money. Wired is not feasible for me, living room is huge 20-25 feet away from a wall mounted TV. I am willing to buy the extra Teensy boards + blue-tooth module to start testing. I just need a starting point.

            A lot of us are stuck on the old PS4 Navigation controller because of its wireless capabilities and direct integration with XIM. You have already figured out the XIM part. Wireless would give it a huge boost in sales.

Thanks.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Priesty10 on 01:49 PM - 02/23/19
Does anything I should get the curved or flat wrist rest?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 11:35 AM - 02/25/19
Does anything I should get the curved or flat wrist rest?

I like the curved one but if you're concerned about it get the flat one.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jamesbone on 08:13 AM - 02/26/19
My compact is on it's way to australia I'm excited 😁
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:54 PM - 02/26/19
My compact is on it's way to australia I'm excited
Me too mate, I got the nod yesterday.

Everything that could be different from the original Azeron is on this one for easier comparison. Shorter fingers, new analog stick, flat wrist rest (though I like the tapered one), 5-way d-pad (my favourite feature) and Compact towers.

PS, XIM streams should start in a couple of days (just the graphics to finish off). Let me know if you want to team up in any games Flex.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 05:06 PM - 02/26/19
My compact is on it's way to australia I'm excited
Me too mate, I got the nod yesterday.

Everything that could be different from the original Azeron is on this one for easier comparison. Shorter fingers, new analog stick, flat wrist rest (though I like the tapered one), 5-way d-pad (my favourite feature) and Compact towers.

PS, XIM streams should start in a couple of days (just the graphics to finish off). Let me know if you want to team up in any games Flex.

I like the original azeron, but I got the new analog and the 5 way d-pad and it friggin rocks! I have some videos uploaded if anybody wants to check them out, it's on star wars battlefront 2015.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: B0wl_of_weed on 08:45 PM - 02/28/19
Just curious what joystick sens and deadzone are you guys using? Im playing apex and will be playing fortnite too just curious 30 to 400 sens 15?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jamesbone on 04:57 PM - 03/01/19
My compact is on it's way to australia I'm excited
Me too mate, I got the nod yesterday.

Everything that could be different from the original Azeron is on this one for easier comparison. Shorter fingers, new analog stick, flat wrist rest (though I like the tapered one), 5-way d-pad (my favourite feature) and Compact towers.

PS, XIM streams should start in a couple of days (just the graphics to finish off). Let me know if you want to team up in any games Flex.

Yeah awesome will definitely team up!  I cant wait to try it.  Tell me your YouTube name I'll watch your stream too or are you on twitch?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Priesty10 on 09:49 PM - 03/01/19
Hi Iím just wondering if anyone knows if the  analog stick on this works the same as PS4 and Xbox Controllers, or is that impossible with these type of devices? Because I have a Tartarus v2 and itís analog stick is basically just a 8 way directional pad

Thanks
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 12:15 AM - 03/02/19
Hi Iím just wondering if anyone knows if the  analog stick on this works the same as PS4 and Xbox Controllers, or is that impossible with these type of devices? Because I have a Tartarus v2 and itís analog stick is basically just a 8 way directional pad

Thanks

Yup works the same.

Also a lot of customisation just incase you donít like the default settings for the joystick.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 04:37 AM - 03/02/19
My compact is on it's way to australia I'm excited
Me too mate, I got the nod yesterday.

Everything that could be different from the original Azeron is on this one for easier comparison. Shorter fingers, new analog stick, flat wrist rest (though I like the tapered one), 5-way d-pad (my favourite feature) and Compact towers.

PS, XIM streams should start in a couple of days (just the graphics to finish off). Let me know if you want to team up in any games Flex.

Yeah awesome will definitely team up!  I cant wait to try it.  Tell me your YouTube name I'll watch your stream too or are you on twitch?
I'll be streaming as ModSquadAU on Twitch, but i'll use my existing PSN ID (you've got that). I'll use restream.io to feed it through to YouTube.

I can guarantee some pretty average gameplay initially as I haven't gamed for a couple of months while setting all of this up  :-[
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 06:19 PM - 03/05/19
Compact just arrived, thank you Imants!

(https://i.imgur.com/KvIcfia.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/QI6WLXn.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/kZLpu2w.jpg)

Changes ordered for the Compact vs Original - flat palm rest, shorter fingers, shorter towers, smaller buttons, 5-way d-pad and new analog stick. I haven't played with it yet, but the stick is noticeably smoother.

I can't wait to get stuck into it :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: slickrick on 06:48 PM - 03/05/19
I guess I'm going to have to jump on the bandwagon . lol  me being in the US, wonder how long it will take?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 07:04 PM - 03/05/19
Wait times are posted on the Etsy page.

I played Overwatch last night with the original Azeron and it was really good. I was concerned about granular analog movement on the older thumbstick, but it's much less important than expected. However, in Fallout 76, analog control is much finer for some reason and movement needs to be fairly precise.

I'll have a play around tonight with the Compact to see how it compares.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: chad20 on 07:22 PM - 03/05/19
I ordered mine on January 9th and it just shipped out on February 30th. Tracking says sent to the US. I live in Florida so Iíll update when I get an update. I would just order it ASAP.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: slickrick on 08:02 PM - 03/05/19
I ordered mine on January 9th and it just shipped out on February 30th. Tracking says sent to the US. I live in Florida so Iíll update when I get an update. I would just order it ASAP.
   thanks, I just tried to order one but there not taking orders right now,  there going to email me.  how much dues the new one cost with all the bells and whistles.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: slickrick on 11:37 AM - 03/06/19
whats the price of the newer one with upgraded analog stick?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 11:53 AM - 03/06/19
whats the price of the newer one with upgraded analog stick?
All keypads now come with new stick and price are 100 Euro for Compact and 110 for Standard
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Verone- on 03:02 PM - 03/06/19
Not sure if it has been asked, but does it have onboard memory/can you make macros on the keys?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 03:33 PM - 03/06/19
Not sure if it has been asked, but does it have onboard memory/can you make macros on the keys?
It have on-board memory for 2 profiles.
At the moment there in no macros that feature will be add later.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:59 PM - 03/06/19
I played Overwatch for a couple of hours with the Compact last night.

The positives:

- The new thumbstick is very smooth and light compared to the original, providing more granular control.
- The flat palm rest allows for greater range of arm position and wrist rotation.
- The D-pad button solves the biggest problem I have with bindings as I can never find a comfortable spot for the d-pad on a kb.
- The smaller horizontal button size is helpful for reaching the thumbnail buttons, which I use for things like Sprint, L1 & R1, depending on the game.
- Shorter finger lengths let me to use a claw grip and make the deeper, horizontal buttons more accessible.
- The buttons on the Compact's short towers are more accessible and intuitive than the Azeron's tall towers.

The negatives (more to do with me than the Compact):

- Because I chose smaller buttons, I accidentally flick the thumbnail buttons on the way to pressing the tower buttons. I need to learn to lift my fingers out of the well before hitting tower buttons.
- The tower buttons have a lot of wobble to them. This seems to be because they sit on top of rather than slightly embedded into the tower. Not a big deal, the buttons & switches feel fine when pressed.
- Horizontal fingertip buttons (bottom ones) are a mental challenge for me to use. I'm not sure why that is as I have decades of muscle memory built around keyboard usage.
- The base slides around on the table more than the original and I find myself both rotating and lifting the Compact quite a lot. This is almost certainly due to my claw grip on the Compact. Problem solved by adding a few blobs of Blu-Tac to the base to stick the Compact in place on the desk. This also makes the thumbstick and d-pad buttons more usable.


So far I only have actions bound to the thumb, index and middle finger, as well as the towers for the lesser used PS, Share, Options and Touchpad buttons. I may struggle to adapt to games with both L3 & R3 bindings (there are plenty of spare buttons, so again it's a mental thing), but everything is comfortably within reach.

I can't see myself using Azeron for complex games like Fortnite or Siege, but for the majority of shooters with less mentally taxing bindings, it's a really tidy bit of kit. I'd really like a lefty version of Razer Orbweaver as I can live without analog movement, but that's never going to happen. The fact that Azeron simply comes in a lefty version and it's the only analog gamepad for lefties on the market was reason enough for me to buy and it hasn't let me down.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jamesbone on 08:22 PM - 03/06/19
I played Overwatch for a couple of hours with the Compact last night.

The positives:

- The new thumbstick is very smooth and light compared to the original, providing more granular control.
- The flat palm rest allows for greater range of arm position and wrist rotation.
- The D-pad button solves the biggest problem I have with bindings as I can never find a comfortable spot for the d-pad on a kb.
- The smaller horizontal button size is helpful for reaching the thumbnail buttons, which I use for things like Sprint, L1 & R1, depending on the game.
- Shorter finger lengths let me to use a claw grip and make the deeper, horizontal buttons more accessible.
- The buttons on the Compact's short towers are more accessible and intuitive than the Azeron's tall towers.

The negatives (more to do with me than the Compact):

- Because I chose smaller buttons, I accidentally flick the thumbnail buttons on the way to pressing the tower buttons. I need to learn to lift my fingers out of the well before hitting tower buttons.
- The tower buttons have a lot of wobble to them. This seems to be because they sit on top of rather than slightly embedded into the tower. Not a big deal, the buttons & switches feel fine when pressed.
- Horizontal fingertip buttons (bottom ones) are a mental challenge for me to use. I'm not sure why that is as I have decades of muscle memory built around keyboard usage.
- The base slides around on the table more than the original and I find myself both rotating and lifting the Compact quite a lot. This is almost certainly due to my claw grip on the Compact. Problem solved by adding a few blobs of Blu-Tac to the base to stick the Compact in place on the desk. This also makes the thumbstick and d-pad buttons more usable.


So far I only have actions bound to the thumb, index and middle finger, as well as the towers for the lesser used PS, Share, Options and Touchpad buttons. I may struggle to adapt to games with both L3 & R3 bindings (there are plenty of spare buttons, so again it's a mental thing), but everything is comfortably within reach.

I can't see myself using Azeron for complex games like Fortnite or Siege, but for the majority of shooters with less mentally taxing bindings, it's a really tidy bit of kit. I'd really like a lefty version of Razer Orbweaver as I can live without analog movement, but that's never going to happen. The fact that Azeron simply comes in a lefty version and it's the only analog gamepad for lefties on the market was reason enough for me to buy and it hasn't let me down.

I got a note in mail gotta go pick mine up from the post office today.  But the card doesnt have my name written clear on it hopefully this isnt a problem lol YIKES
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Priesty10 on 10:27 AM - 03/07/19
So I got my Azeron compact today and I must admit I was loving it, until I think Iíve either messed up the settings or somethingís gone wrong.
Iíve been playing fortnite and I tried to change the settings on the analogue stick because the default wasnít actually going forward for me, now my character is no longer able to sprint, just moves unbelievably slowly.
I also changed the sensitivity at one point and forgot the default, I hope I havenít broke it, if anyone could help me Iíd gladly appreciate it
Thanks
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Priesty10 on 11:02 AM - 03/07/19
Erm ok I figured it out, I just went back to the old firmware and for some reason I was able to sprint again 🤨🤪
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 03:37 PM - 03/07/19
Will make small explanation about what settings do what
(https://i.ibb.co/tBKM5G9/angle-dedzone-sensativity.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5T4WV0P)

1. Changing angle of Your analog stick. Naturally Your thumb will goes little in angle when You move forward so use that slider to adjust that angle. (Personally I use from -8 to -12 )
(https://i.ibb.co/GvDhwgP/angle.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3ybJXth)

2.Lower deazone, Increasing field in center where analog stick will be less sensitive. Good setting to start  are 20
(https://cloud.netlifyusercontent.com/assets/344dbf88-fdf9-42bb-adb4-46f01eedd629/f9de449d-e1a2-40d2-97dd-90edd184d1a6/02-deadzone-opt-preview.png)

3. Upper deadzone (Important for all keypads with new sticks due smaller reach). Decrease outer border.
Use if analog stick not reach sides and corners (when charters walk, but cant run). Good settings about 350
(https://i.ibb.co/Kwf19MM/deadzone.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Dpvq7xx)

4. Sensitivity. Smaller number - more precise, but slower. Bigger number less precise, but faster.
Recommended settings from 3 to 20 but don't recommend go to 0 as it will be to sensitive as will register every smallest vibration.
(https://i.ibb.co/j3dXb4y/sensativity.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kqpC5c4)

TIP! If You want to change slider settings by precise numbers click on slider and use Arrow Keys on keyboard.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jamesbone on 08:49 PM - 03/07/19
Hey I got the compact been using it for like 2 days and I feel so strange I'm struggling lol.

I just played bo3 and it's so weird jumping with my Index finger. 

The keypad works perfect and is super comfortable
 
I honestly feel like I have never used a keyboard before using this 😂😂
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: burnttoast on 07:18 AM - 03/08/19
Anyone using this for PUBG? curious on your key mapping
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Priesty10 on 10:55 AM - 03/08/19
Iím thinking of maybe making a stand so it can be diagonal as oppose to flat on the table
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 02:19 PM - 03/08/19
Thanks for the code W11ce.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: fst_si on 06:15 PM - 03/08/19
Really excited to get hold of mine, I get on well with the nav but feel restricted with it. Hopefully transition well when I eventually get a PC
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Jamesbone on 05:00 AM - 03/09/19
3rd day using it and it feels amazing to use I love how the D pad you can just flick it with ur thumb in any direction you want effortlessly.

This device is a must if you're a NAV user.

Personally I likes the Nav and mouse for jetpack cods I dont know why but using a analog stick while jet packing around felt better than using WASD.

But for boots on the ground I feel more comfortable using a normal keyboard.  That's just me.

But theAzeron compact is extremely comfortable I feel so relaxed while playing using it.

Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: THE-MARAVINGY on 06:57 AM - 03/09/19
Every time i try to order the shop is empty  :'(
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: fst_si on 09:42 AM - 03/09/19
3rd day using it and it feels amazing to use I love how the D pad you can just flick it with ur thumb in any direction you want effortlessly.

This device is a must if you're a NAV user.

Personally I likes the Nav and mouse for jetpack cods I dont know why but using a analog stick while jet packing around felt better than using WASD.

But for boots on the ground I feel more comfortable using a normal keyboard.  That's just me.

But theAzeron compact is extremely comfortable I feel so relaxed while playing using it.

Am i right in saying the d-pad will activate as soon as you hit the button above the joystick? Is this just a movement option or would this revert to the controller d-pad rather than the joystick?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 04:58 PM - 03/09/19
The d-pad button is just a d-pad with the ability to also click it. It's not a movement option.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: fst_si on 05:25 PM - 03/09/19
The d-pad button is just a d-pad with the ability to also click it. It's not a movement option.

Thanks buddy, just realised I was over thinking what this switch was 🙈
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cardain on 05:46 PM - 03/10/19
Just got my compact yesterday and have been using it for a few hours. I must say i am loving it. I have zero muscle memory built up for this, but even at that stage I was able to play Destiny 2 with almost no issues. Changed the angle of the thumbstick to -17 I think and was golden.Only thing that might be a slight improvement for me, and that might just be my hand anatomy, is that my pinky finger comes in and an angle and not straight down like the other 3 non-thumb fingers. So if the pinky finger arm could be tilted a bit to the side instead of pointing straight up, it would be absolutely perfect. I'd think that would just require the rail part of the pinky finger to have a tilt in it.
Love all the adjustments you can do with the screws to perfectly fit your hand. Flat wristpad definitely was the right call. And what makes this the absolute winner for me personally is that as a left handed person using the mouse with the left hand, I FINALLY have a gamepad I can use with my right hand.
Thank you Imants for creating such a product!
(Using Xim4 for Xbox One)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 06:16 PM - 03/10/19
And what makes this the absolute winner for me personally is that as a left handed person using the mouse with the left hand, I FINALLY have a gamepad I can use with my right hand.
We are the red-headed stepchildren of the gaming world. I feel exactly the same way about the Azeron - there is literally nothing else out there for left-handers.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cardain on 07:56 PM - 03/10/19
Yeah, I tried ambidextrous pads like the Zboard Fang and that generic DeLuxe gaming keypad, but they just did not provide the benefits of a keypad made for a specific hand. Specifically when it came to what you could do with the thumb which was also the issue using WASD. I've been remapping everything to the arrow keys and the keys around it, but that had its limits. So the Azeron is wonderful and I like the fact that it's pretty much hand made and want to support such projects. Had been watching this thread for months to be ontop of any developments and was not dissapointed once I received it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 09:28 PM - 03/10/19
Dude...you may be my long-lost gaming twin  :o 

I started on the arrows and surrounding keys for PC gaming, then used a Z-Board Fang for around a decade before heading down the mech path.

I use an ErgoDox EZ keyboard nowadays because of the thumb cluster, but I wanted an analog stick and easily accessible d-pad. Enter the Azeron and the rest is history...
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 12:42 AM - 03/11/19
Only thing that might be a slight improvement for me, and that might just be my hand anatomy, is that my pinky finger comes in and an angle and not straight down like the other 3 non-thumb fingers. So if the pinky finger arm could be tilted a bit to the side instead of pointing straight up, it would be absolutely perfect. I'd think that would just require the rail part of the pinky finger to have a tilt in it.
That is one of things I am working on.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: lmulli on 03:36 AM - 03/11/19
And what makes this the absolute winner for me personally is that as a left handed person using the mouse with the left hand, I FINALLY have a gamepad I can use with my right hand.
We are the red-headed stepchildren of the gaming world. I feel exactly the same way about the Azeron - there is literally nothing else out there for left-handers.

Ah ah.  I'm left handed, but am now that used  to using my right hand for the mouse that using my left hand feels weird!  Likewise with the keyboard controls, feels weird having my right hand press the keys.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 04:15 AM - 03/11/19
Ah ah.  I'm left handed, but am now that used  to using my right hand for the mouse that using my left hand feels weird!  Likewise with the keyboard controls, feels weird having my right hand press the keys.
I don't have a problem with right-handed mousing for regular computer usage, but I'm way too left-hand dominant for gaming.

I tried to use a right-handed mouse for gaming with the FragNStein (the precursor to Tuact Venom) on PS3 - it felt like I should be institutionalised and a new condition named after me.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: chad20 on 09:18 AM - 03/13/19
Just got my compact yesterday and the only issue Iím having is it sliding on the desk. Anyone have a good solution for this also anyone that plays blackout want to share there button setup?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: burnttoast on 09:23 AM - 03/13/19
Just got my compact yesterday and the only issue Iím having is it sliding on the desk. Anyone have a good solution for this also anyone that plays blackout want to share there button setup?

Blu tac
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 09:40 AM - 03/13/19
Just got my compact yesterday and the only issue Iím having is it sliding on the desk. Anyone have a good solution for this also anyone that plays blackout want to share there button setup?

Blu tac

Raise your chair higher if you can, might feel weird though.

Blue tac will probably work lol
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: MisterWicked1 on 04:32 PM - 03/13/19
What is the default joystick settings? I was playing with them and now i can't walk. Also what does the xim fw do?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 04:34 PM - 03/13/19
Just got my compact yesterday and the only issue I’m having is it sliding on the desk. Anyone have a good solution for this also anyone that plays blackout want to share there button setup?
I had the same problem and 3 balls of Blu-Tac on the baseplate fixed that, as well as making the d-pad and stick buttons usable (no sliding). It doesn't budge now and can easily be removed when needed.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: chad20 on 06:20 PM - 03/13/19
Thanks guys Iíll have to get some
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 07:48 AM - 03/14/19
If the Azeron is just slipping and not "tilting" then that anti slip perforated matting you get in hardware shops will work ... it's cheap and comes in a big  roll.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cardain on 08:05 AM - 03/14/19
Mine tilts to the right a bit sometimes, but still trying to find the most ideal angle and position for my hand. Thinking of maybe also elevating my wrist a bit higher so I don't go "claw" where my hand bends up a bit on the wrist. Having a straighter wrist might alleviate a bit of tension I think. 
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cardain on 02:19 PM - 03/15/19
One other thing I have been thinking off that I can probably modify myself: so on some rare occasions I accidentally hit the "pull" switch for the index finger since the fingers are bent "into" that button well and I hit the top part of the pull switch (wanted to jump over a gap in destiny and accidentally triggered the pull switch which is duck for me, so I slid in to an abyss, hah). I am thinking maybe I can shorten/file down the pull switches a bit so It's not so easily triggered by bent fingers resting in the well. Has anyone else made that experience?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 04:39 PM - 03/15/19
One other thing I have been thinking off that I can probably modify myself: so on some rare occasions I accidentally hit the "pull" switch for the index finger since the fingers are bent "into" that button well and I hit the top part of the pull switch (wanted to jump over a gap in destiny and accidentally triggered the pull switch which is duck for me, so I slid in to an abyss, hah). I am thinking maybe I can shorten/file down the pull switches a bit so It's not so easily triggered by bent fingers resting in the well. Has anyone else made that experience?
Same problem for me ... I have mine set up just right for comfort, but now and again I accidentally hit that index finger pull switch and it lands me in deep $hit lol.

What I would like is to be able to have a slightly stiffer spring in that switch.I kinda got it solved by adding some "Sugru"  to the index finger push down switch and moulding a recess in it where my fingertip sits ... it helps keep the finger in position and stops it creeping back into the pull switch.
Love this pad though  :) :) :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 10:29 AM - 03/18/19
I've been forcing myself to migrate my trusty XIM Apex kb configs over to Azeron Compact the past few days. This is the first time I've been able to use a mouse & analog movement in my gaming life and tonight was BO4's turn.

All I can say is O.M.F.G...rotational AA using analog movement in this game is beyond belief  :o I'm still pretty clumsy with my bindings, it took a few matches to work out the sensitivity numbers and the first hour or so sucked. But after 3 or 4 hours, muscle memory kicked in and so did that sticky but manageable AA feel.

My settings are nowhere near optimal for Azeron, but by god is this baby a proof of concept. I used DPI 3200, 1000Hz, Sync Off, HIP 150, ADS 75, HIP ST for both, 224ms delay, SA 3, Boost 400 (basically my kb settings with increased sensitivity for 3200 DPI) and haven't begun to tweak it yet.

Anyone who says using digital input, i.e a kb, is superior in Call of Duty console games due to the ability to rapidly hit max stick deflection for sticky AA is absolutely kidding themselves. I've been a keyboarder for over 25 years and it does not compare to analog in the slightest for console gaming. Digital cuts straight through AA, analog works with it. I've always argued that point but this is the first time I've been able to validate it first-hand.

Using the Azeron Compact, all I had to do was strafe or counterstrafe over the target and my reticle stuck like baby poo to a blanket. My aim literally followed them around corners and through walls. That happens occasionally in Destiny and tracks for a few cms of mouse movement (with the mouse stationary), but BO4 tracked several inches. I couldn't even see some enemies while pre-aiming, but the AA stuck, so I shot. Sure enough, another dead duck.

If you haven't tried Azeron in BO4 yet, you are in for a treat (set gameplay opinions aside, we're testing look mechanics). When my aim sunk into the hitbox, it was game over every time. I consider myself a very average shot, so there's some AA magic going on here.

XIM settings here are simple - HIP sens fast enough to quickly do a 180; ADS slow enough to abuse AA and fast enough to track a target. The lower the sens, the stronger the AA. I may try mjfame's wacky settings next with the Azeron to see if it's possible to flick and stick.

BTW, Azeron Compact's new analog stick and flat wrist rest are blissful to use. I suffered thumb and wrist pain on the original Azeron after an hour or so, but there was no fatigue at all using the Compact. The only change I've made to the Compact is rotating the stick to -18 (I think) to more predictably move straight left and right.

Thank you Imants for creating this fantastic toy!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cardain on 11:42 AM - 03/18/19
Oh wow that sounds great! I've been playing destiny and it has a max turn rate, so can't snap 180 quickly in there. AA seems about the same for me between keyboard and Azeron but I need to keep working on it.

I have nearly no wrist fatigue with the flat pad, and I just did some modifications to try to remove the last bit of fatigue. I needed my arm rest of my chair to be the same hight as my table so i have a level and straight arm. But then I couldn't move my chair far enough under the table. So I just took one of my knee pads for snowboarding and put it over the back part of my arm rest as an elbow rest. Now I can move under the table with the front part of my chair and still have full elbow support to use the Azeron.

Still loving the Azeron compact!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 04:16 PM - 03/18/19
Yeah, Destiny 2 AA didn't feel much different using kb vs Azeron due to not have left-stick / rotational AA.

I use ergonomic armrests for both arms so my elbows are supported at all times (shoulder issues). It also lets me use my forearm for mouse sweeps.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Golobulus on 04:42 PM - 03/18/19
..try this with Logitech after the your 6th G13 breaks down.

This is exactly where I am at in my G13 lifecycle. Normally it's the buttons next to the joystick. But this time its the joystick and it's causing me severe anxiety. I don't know if I could wait the 3-4 weeks after placing an order, but I really don't have any other choice than welding my Xbox controller with the G13. (Which will probably happen this week.)

...but since I've been peeking at this topic/product for the last month, I haven't seen it available to order. I've tried to read through this thread and have made it about 20 pages at the beginning and end but I'm running out of steam...so I have a few questions:

Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 04:59 PM - 03/18/19
Maybe send a PM to Azeron here on the XIM Forums. Alternately, check their Etsy page daily. It's linked from azeron.eu.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: fst_si on 08:19 AM - 03/19/19
Mine has arrived at work today, heading to pick it up now and my god I can't wait to get my hands on it!

Should I update firmware straight away or just find my feet with it out of the box first?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 08:21 AM - 03/19/19
I haven't touched the firmware on it yet.

I recommend installing the Azeron app and adjusting the thumbstick rotation until left and right feel on the correct plane.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: fst_si on 09:16 AM - 03/19/19
I haven't touched the firmware on it yet.

I recommend installing the Azeron app and adjusting the thumbstick rotation until left and right feel on the correct plane.

Thanks dude, I will give that a try. Hearing -12 is a good starting point
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cardain on 10:15 AM - 03/19/19
I kept moving it up and down in an option screen in Destiny and kept tweaking it until I actually moved the cursor up and down and not diagonally. Ended up at -17 for myself.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: chad20 on 11:47 AM - 03/19/19
I also changed the dead zone so it is more sensitive and changed it so I donít have to hit max travel to get full stick movement. This is a awesome feature. Loving this thing.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: fst_si on 12:16 PM - 03/19/19
Thanks guys, just heading home with it now. Should be happy to see the GF after a few nights away with work but really I want to get this up and running
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 04:39 PM - 03/19/19
I kept moving it up and down in an option screen in Destiny and kept tweaking it until I actually moved the cursor up and down and not diagonally. Ended up at -17 for myself.
Same here. I settled on either -17 or -18.

My issue wasn't forward and back though, I kept hitting diagonals for left and right which made menu navigation difficult.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: fst_si on 03:39 AM - 03/20/19
I kept moving it up and down in an option screen in Destiny and kept tweaking it until I actually moved the cursor up and down and not diagonally. Ended up at -17 for myself.
Same here. I settled on either -17 or -18.

My issue wasn't forward and back though, I kept hitting diagonals for left and right which made menu navigation difficult.

Thanks for the advice, didn't think about the diagonals until I had a play last night. Can tell this this is going to be great but a steep learning curve for me. Hopefully some tweaks will make the transition smoother
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 04:36 AM - 03/20/19
I'm still struggling with coming to grips with the bindings. I'll frequently duck when I mean to jump, or sprint when I mean to melee  ;D  To be fair, I'm less than 20 hours in and things will gel more over time.


Imants, I encountered a problem this morning with profiles. I noticed that sometimes the Azeron selects key bindings instead of joystick buttons and the analog stick won't move. This is despite having the correct profile selected using the button near the LED. Today, the Azeron wouldn't play friendly at all and I noticed that profiles wouldn't save on-board correctly, specifically to slot 1.

Cleaning out the profiles and reflashing the firmware didn't seem to help. I loaded up W11cE's firmware and it's been stable so I suspect it's an Azeron firmware or software issue, but I'd really like to use the Azeron firmware to access things like stick adjustments.

I've uninstalled and reinstalled the Azeron Software app on PC, but I'm not sure if that cleaned out all remnants of the profiles from the computer. I'll try reflashing and see if the problem shows up again. If not, I'll revert back to W11cE's version.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Priesty10 on 07:48 AM - 03/20/19
I also had problems with the changing the analog stick because it wasnít straight for me

I couldnt sprint in game and I had to change firmware back to what it was and I just got used to direction issue because obviously you have to sprint
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 08:11 AM - 03/20/19
The last time I played about with the software I noticed something when I reduced the outer dead zone size to get the stick reaching the fast analog speed, and also changed the stick angle.

When I moved the stick around in a circle within the box in the software the white dot would skip and jump at the corners of the box.

If I reduced the dead zone but left the stick angle at zero, the stick would move around the outer edges of the box in a smooth motion and not skip.

I seem to remember W11cE saying that if you reduced the outer dead zone then the stick angle adjustment would not work?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 09:10 AM - 03/20/19
I recommend using jump as the index finger pull. Iíd share my full bindings if you like, even though I havenít been playing games recently, theyíre extremely comfortable.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cardain on 10:04 AM - 03/20/19
Hmm haven't had any profile issues yet. When I got my azeron i just flashed it to the newest FW and been using that no problem. I use it exclusively on Xbox currently since I haven't played anything on PC recently but I'll give that a swing later on.
I feel i got the keybinds under control because for an xbox controller you don't really have that many buttons. When I used it on PC i can imagine I will have to use a lot more. Currently I really only use the index and ring finger. Index push forward=spring, index press down = jump, index pull = crouch, ring finger push forward = reload/use, ring finger press down = change weapon. The rest I have on the 2 thumb buttons of my mouse, and one random pinky pull button for right stick push which i never use. But In my mind I limit it to 3 movements on index 2 on ring finger and that allows me to keep it real simple in my head for now.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 06:24 PM - 03/20/19
Sharing bindings is a good idea. We're all a bit kooky, it's fun to see how screwed up our bindings are :)

Mine are pretty simple, these are for PS4 -

Azeron keypad

Index pull - Cross (Jump)
Index left (right for righties) - Square (Reload)
Index forward - L1
Middle pull - Circle (Crouch)
Middle forward - R1
Ring pull - L3 (Sprint)
Towers - Options, Touchpad, PS, Share
D-pad on D-pad

G305 Mouse

Right-click - R2 (Shoot)
Left-click - L2 (ADS)
Wheel Up - R3 (Melee)
Wheel Down - Triangle (Weapon Swap tap)
Middle-click - Triangle (Weapon Swap hold)

I tried Triangle on the thumbnail button near the analog stick, but it meant standing still to press...not a good idea.

The one binding that isn't optimal is Melee (R3) bound to Wheel Up, I would prefer not to move my finger from Shoot to use it. I haven't found a comfortable way to do that on Azeron, nor do I have side-buttons on a mouse (I'd use button 4 if I could). I may double-bind R3 to index press down.

This control scheme is working well for most games, but I'll still use a kb for more complex requirements, like building in Fortnite, for L1 & R1 in more usable positions. But that means reshuffling other bindings, which I'm not gonna do as controls need to be consistent across games for muscle memory.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: fst_si on 11:09 AM - 03/22/19
Will be sure to give these a try. Interesting that people are sticking to the pull switches.
I'm struggling to get hands on time with it right now. Playing alot more in the living room meaning the xim is collecting dust, not really sure if I should continue to use or not
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 07:38 AM - 03/23/19
Sorry, really havenít been playing games lately, Iíll drop my binds now.

Index Pull - X on controller / Jump button
Middle finger Pull - L1 / Left bumper I think itís called, usually the tactics button
Pinky pull - Circle
Middle finger click down / keyboard press - square

Mouse basics binds +

Mouse forward - R1 or right bumper
Mouse back - R3 - Right stick click, itís rarely used, you can swap mouse back and forward.

Ohhh and the touchpad button which I use for Fortnite as the edit button which works amazing, I could show you guys my edits or the map in games such as Apex legends or division  - Index right press, it sounds weird but works flawlessly.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Priesty10 on 07:32 PM - 03/24/19
My keybinds are all over the place, my ring finger is is actually aim down sight, and right click is crouch, I cannot aim at all when I hold the right click
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 08:09 PM - 03/24/19
My keybinds are all over the place, my ring finger is is actually aim down sight, and right click is crouch, I cannot aim at all when I hold the right click

If youíre playing call of duty, put in the tactical button layout and then assign R3 to your mouse and crouch with mouse forward or back. And Make ads right click lol @#$%.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Priesty10 on 06:09 AM - 03/25/19
Lol I seriously struggle, I donít miss shots with ads on ring finger, but for some reason ads on right click makes me stutter
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 08:15 AM - 03/25/19
Lol I seriously struggle, I donít miss shots with ads on ring finger, but for some reason ads on right click makes me stutter

Ahh yeahh I get that
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: B0wl_of_weed on 12:30 PM - 03/25/19
How do i make the button to stop double clickikg again sorry omly issue i have is using middle finger pull for floor but always builds 2 also using -17 !,# 20 to 350 deadzone seem right boys?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 01:48 PM - 03/25/19
How do i make the button to stop double clickikg again sorry omly issue i have is using middle finger pull for floor but always builds 2 also using -17 !,# 20 to 350 deadzone seem right boys?
You can play around with marked setting,it may help to remove double clicking. It is just on testing now, so any feedback would be helpful.
(https://i.ibb.co/KhsH3h8/duble.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2hMBfhp)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Lepo5 on 11:24 PM - 03/25/19
Hi All - when I go to the Azeron website and click on "Shop" it tells me everything except the price.

So er..........how much are they?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: fst_si on 02:37 PM - 03/26/19
Hi All - when I go to the Azeron website and click on "Shop" it tells me everything except the price.

So er..........how much are they?

Think I paid around £100 Inc postage to the UK for mine
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Golobulus on 10:33 AM - 03/28/19
Azeron is officially ordered up, now I just have to wait for the little badarse to arrive.

In the meantime, my Logitech G13 has passed and is now in gamepad heaven with all his friends and family. I need something to use while waiting on the Azeron, so I took apart a Razer Orbweaver I picked up last year and removed the entire thumb area (with 4-way switch and buttons.) And then I built a little jig to hold it at an angle with the Xbox controller and this thing actually is 10x better than my previous G13s, the better key switches and xbox's joystick are a definite improvement:

(https://i.imgur.com/ox21Nwy.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/xPnt6OY.jpg)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cardain on 11:32 AM - 03/28/19
Oh wow, that is inspired! It also looks like a building floor plan I'd have to raid in PubG :D You'll definitely appreciate the minimal finger travel distance of the Azeron switches. I didn't even think about it until I had it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: saItywatch on 12:28 PM - 03/28/19
Azeron is officially ordered up, now I just have to wait for the little badarse to arrive.

In the meantime, my Logitech G13 has passed and is now in gamepad heaven with all his friends and family. I need something to use while waiting on the Azeron, so I took apart a Razer Orbweaver I picked up last year and removed the entire thumb area (with 4-way switch and buttons.) And then I built a little jig to hold it at an angle with the Xbox controller and this thing actually is 10x better than my previous G13s, the better key switches and xbox's joystick are a definite improvement:

(https://i.imgur.com/ox21Nwy.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/xPnt6OY.jpg)

This is ridiculous
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 06:53 AM - 03/29/19
Some folks just dont know how to smile .... I think it's good to see folk getting creative with the building blocks of life  :) :)

Hey if you went as far as removing the Orbweaver dpad you could have gone one more step and unsoldered and removed the left stick from the controller, and made a nice little enclosure for it to sit next to the Orbweaver.

A few of us did a mod years ago and took the stick out of the authentication 360 controller connected to the xim, and put it in the Belkin N52te. You couldn't pick up the controller to use though as it had no left stick. What you've done could just have the stick next to the Orbweaver if you took it out of the controller ... it's easy, I had never soldered before when I did it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: burnttoast on 09:27 AM - 04/02/19
Got mine a couple of weeks ago, seriously struggling with teh joystick, sometime works well other times it wont go to a full run, what deadzones is everyone else using?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 09:43 AM - 04/02/19
Got mine a couple of weeks ago, seriously struggling with teh joystick, sometime works well other times it wont go to a full run, what deadzones is everyone else using?
Make sure you're using the correct mode. There's a small button on the side near the Azeron logo.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: KingDingAling on 11:18 AM - 04/02/19
Azeron just wondering is mine nearly ready for shipping can't deal with the wait any longer :D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 03:57 PM - 04/02/19
Alright it's been a long time! My azeron rocks still, I absolutely love it. One thing that other people might want to hear is that whenever I plug it into the xim I have to press the mode button and switch to and from the two modes. If I don't do this, non of the buttons work properly. Also I still haven't really messed with the dead zone on the analog stick, maybe I could make it better but I don't really know how it can get better than I have it now.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: THE-MARAVINGY on 05:00 PM - 04/02/19
Order placed  ;D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: burnttoast on 06:10 PM - 04/02/19
Got mine a couple of weeks ago, seriously struggling with teh joystick, sometime works well other times it wont go to a full run, what deadzones is everyone else using?
Make sure you're using the correct mode. There's a small button on the side near the Azeron logo.

Which mode is which? I thought that was profile switching lol
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: fst_si on 06:13 PM - 04/02/19
Alright it's been a long time! My azeron rocks still, I absolutely love it. One thing that other people might want to hear is that whenever I plug it into the xim I have to press the mode button and switch to and from the two modes. If I don't do this, non of the buttons work properly. Also I still haven't really messed with the dead zone on the analog stick, maybe I could make it better but I don't really know how it can get better than I have it now.

I have to do the same thing, two clicks of the side button and I'm golden.  I agree with the deadzone, I don't really know what I'm looking for and could probably have a better setup but does the job just fine
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: BigBen on 02:25 AM - 04/03/19
one light is Keyboard mode, two lights is Joystick mode (at least on mine)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cardain on 10:54 AM - 04/03/19
Alright it's been a long time! My azeron rocks still, I absolutely love it. One thing that other people might want to hear is that whenever I plug it into the xim I have to press the mode button and switch to and from the two modes. If I don't do this, non of the buttons work properly. Also I still haven't really messed with the dead zone on the analog stick, maybe I could make it better but I don't really know how it can get better than I have it now.

I have to do the same thing, two clicks of the side button and I'm golden.  I agree with the deadzone, I don't really know what I'm looking for and could probably have a better setup but does the job just fine

Same here.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 11:17 AM - 04/03/19
Imants can you change that? In config software make a XIM setting?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 01:05 PM - 04/03/19
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Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 02:19 PM - 04/03/19
No clue what Roads is talking about^, but my Azeron was a dream last night. I can't even imagine using the controller, or the keyboard ever again. I do wish I could move back and forth more quickly like I could on the keyboard though.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:20 PM - 04/03/19
Juat a heads up that I had trouble with mode selection too on the Compact and the profiles ended up corrupting. Reinstalling firmware didn't help.

I swapped to W11cE firmware and it's been rock-solid since, but I can't make adjustments to stick angle etc. I'm happy enough with default, so it's no big deal.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: fst_si on 04:49 PM - 04/03/19
Juat a heads up that I had trouble with mode selection too on the Compact and the profiles ended up corrupting. Reinstalling firmware didn't help.

I swapped to W11cE firmware and it's been rock-solid since, but I can't make adjustments to stick angle etc. I'm happy enough with default, so it's no big deal.

Thanks for the heads up. I will keep using it as it is, still running the firmware from delivery, should probably update it
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 10:03 PM - 04/03/19
what page is the latest w11ce code, is on githhub now no?

found it https://github.com/W11cE

W11ce can you elaborate the bumbers that can be set in the joystick code?

auto axisX = map(analogRead(X_AXIS), 1023, 0, 1023, 0);
   axisX = constrain(axisX, 0, 1023);
   auto axisY = map(analogRead(Y_AXIS), 0, 1023, 1023, 0);
   axisY = constrain(axisY, 0, 1023);

which is travel distance, deadzone and Axis direction?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ThisGuy on 02:16 PM - 04/08/19
just got mine today and i like it very much some wrong button presses but that's about it. got the software and firmware but i have one issue. In joystick mode i can't sprint. If i put it in keyboard mode it will let me sprint. Is there any fix for this anybody?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cardain on 02:45 PM - 04/08/19
Currently not at home with my PC, but I'd think you have to look in the settings at the acceleration curve, so that the stick hits max a lot earlier, not at the end of its travel. I haven't had problems with that in destiny and BFV, but I did notice issue with it in PUBG where I had to go all the way to the max to for max walking speed and it's taking me too much time/travel distance of the stick.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ThisGuy on 02:59 PM - 04/08/19
i actually found it, i only edited the stick in keyboard mode. so by changing the deadzones/sens and angle i was able to achieve this thanks.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 04:03 AM - 04/09/19
No clue what Roads is talking about^, but my Azeron was a dream last night. I can't even imagine using the controller, or the keyboard ever again. I do wish I could move back and forth more quickly like I could on the keyboard though.

Lower the deadzone? ( not sure if that would help but would make it easier to go back and forth
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ThisGuy on 12:09 PM - 04/09/19
so does the azeron read in analog in joystick mode and digital in keyboard mode. I only ask for aim assist reasons. as i am thinking some games might help cut through it in keyboard mode. Just wondering if anyone knows
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 11:56 PM - 04/09/19
The analog stick functions as a d-pad in keyboard mode, i.e it's 8-directional, not 360 degree.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: KingDingAling on 09:16 AM - 04/10/19
anyone any idea how long is shipping to ireland? tracking says(Ireland - item sent abroad) and that was on the 7th? sorry i just cant wait to try this thing ;D
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Malinkadink on 11:55 PM - 04/10/19
How does the Azeron compare with the analog stick for aim assist feel ingame vs keyboard with SAB?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 12:58 AM - 04/11/19
Console games are designed for analog sticks rather than keyboards. If a game supports left-stick aim assist, it's much more noticeable on an Azeron than a kb with SAB.

As an example, I've had instances in BO4 where AA will track for 5cm or more of screen movement through walls and around corners.

I can sometimes feel the AA tug or see the reticle moving before I can eyeball an enemy. And if an enemy manages to approach into CQC, the reticle may tug onto them before I know that they're there. That's not always the case, but it does help.

In games like Battlefield, Call of Duty and Destiny, Azeron enhances AA compared to a kb without a shadow of a doubt. I haven't noticed is as much in Overwatch, Fortnite and Apex Legends, but I also haven't played much of them since I received the Azeron Compact.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Malinkadink on 04:27 AM - 04/11/19
Console games are designed for analog sticks rather than keyboards. If a game supports left-stick aim assist, it's much more noticeable on an Azeron than a kb with SAB.

As an example, I've had instances in BO4 where AA will track for 5cm or more of screen movement through walls and around corners.

I can sometimes feel the AA tug or see the reticle moving before I can eyeball an enemy. And if an enemy manages to approach into CQC, the reticle may tug onto them before I know that they're there. That's not always the case, but it does help.

In games like Battlefield, Call of Duty and Destiny, Azeron enhances AA compared to a kb without a shadow of a doubt. I haven't noticed is as much in Overwatch, Fortnite and Apex Legends, but I also haven't played much of them since I received the Azeron Compact.

Interesting observations, i'll probably pick one up then, looks pretty interesting vs typical keypads. Looks like i can't place an order for one at the moment, a youtube comment from them a day ago says they'll be taking new orders end of the month so i'll need to keep an eye out.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: burnttoast on 10:00 AM - 04/11/19
just got mine today and i like it very much some wrong button presses but that's about it. got the software and firmware but i have one issue. In joystick mode i can't sprint. If i put it in keyboard mode it will let me sprint. Is there any fix for this anybody?


Having exact same issue
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Mement_Mori on 10:19 AM - 04/11/19
just got mine today and i like it very much some wrong button presses but that's about it. got the software and firmware but i have one issue. In joystick mode i can't sprint. If i put it in keyboard mode it will let me sprint. Is there any fix for this anybody?


Having exact same issue

In the azeron software lower the outer Deadzone to around 300
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: burnttoast on 11:11 AM - 04/11/19
Juat a heads up that I had trouble with mode selection too on the Compact and the profiles ended up corrupting. Reinstalling firmware didn't help.

I swapped to W11cE firmware and it's been rock-solid since, but I can't make adjustments to stick angle etc. I'm happy enough with default, so it's no big deal.

This is most noobish comment on here, apologies in advance for that, but how do I download and then switch to W11cE firmware to the azeron, can someone message me the step by steps please (or point me to the right post). I love this piece of equipment but the joystick just doesnt feel right no matter what settings I put it on.

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Mement_Mori on 01:22 PM - 04/11/19
just got mine today and i like it very much some wrong button presses but that's about it. got the software and firmware but i have one issue. In joystick mode i can't sprint. If i put it in keyboard mode it will let me sprint. Is there any fix for this anybody?


Having exact same issue

In the azeron software lower the outer Deadzone to around 300


Juat a heads up that I had trouble with mode selection too on the Compact and the profiles ended up corrupting. Reinstalling firmware didn't help.

I swapped to W11cE firmware and it's been rock-solid since, but I can't make adjustments to stick angle etc. I'm happy enough with default, so it's no big deal.

This is most noobish comment on here, apologies in advance for that, but how do I download and then switch to W11cE firmware to the azeron, can someone message me the step by steps please (or point me to the right post). I love this piece of equipment but the joystick just doesnt feel right no matter what settings I put it on.

Thanks!

First of all try my comment above before installing any other firmware if you still want to install w11ce simple firmware (see below)

1. If you have not already Installed the pc driver https://azeron.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/serial_driver.zip (https://azeron.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/serial_driver.zip) (for PC, to recognize the keypad)

2. Then Download the Azeron manual http://azeron.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Azeron-Manual-V2.0.pdf (http://azeron.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Azeron-Manual-V2.0.pdf)

3. Then download W11ce software https://azeron.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Simple_XIM_Firmware_16jan2019_W11ces.zip (https://azeron.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Simple_XIM_Firmware_16jan2019_W11ces.zip) and unzip that to your desktop it contains the Hex file you need

Then goto chapter 5 which is page 6 of the Azeron manual and follow them steps.


If later you decide you want the default firmware re-installed you can find the latest azeron firmware here https://azeron.eu/software/ (https://azeron.eu/software/)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: KingDingAling on 03:01 PM - 04/11/19
Just got my azeron today and I'm absolutely loving it...but quick question..while playing apex legends when I sprint and move side to side slightly while in joystick mode sprint seems to cut off and I do have to press my sprint key again? Is this an issue with the azeron or the actual game?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ThisGuy on 03:25 PM - 04/11/19
Just got my azeron today and I'm absolutely loving it...but quick question..while playing apex legends when I sprint and move side to side slightly while in joystick mode sprint seems to cut off and I do have to press my sprint key again? Is this an issue with the azeron or the actual game?

Adjust the forward angle and dead zones on the stick. I donít play apex legends a lot on console so it couldíve the game but I know sprinting will stop quick if your angle is off
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JDM on 04:29 PM - 04/11/19
just got mine today and i like it very much some wrong button presses but that's about it. got the software and firmware but i have one issue. In joystick mode i can't sprint. If i put it in keyboard mode it will let me sprint. Is there any fix for this anybody?


Having exact same issue

Donít know if anyoneís said this already but you probably need to change the angle of the joystick in the firmware, not entirely sure what kinda issue youíre having apart from the fact you canít sprint but that might help
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 07:06 PM - 04/11/19
I use W11cE's simple firmware too and don't have a problem with Sprint.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: KingDingAling on 07:07 PM - 04/11/19
Just got my azeron today and I'm absolutely loving it...but quick question..while playing apex legends when I sprint and move side to side slightly while in joystick mode sprint seems to cut off and I do have to press my sprint key again? Is this an issue with the azeron or the actual game?

Adjust the forward angle and dead zones on the stick. I donít play apex legends a lot on console so it couldíve the game but I know sprinting will stop quick if your angle is off
Got it sorted thanks man
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: fst_si on 02:45 AM - 04/12/19
Anyone using control freeks with the azeron? I love the comfort they could add but don't want to ruin my thumbstick as they have ripped up some of my ds4's in the past
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 03:33 AM - 04/12/19
Anyone using control freeks with the azeron? I love the comfort they could add but don't want to ruin my thumbstick as they have ripped up some of my ds4's in the past

I put a new magnetic thumbstick in my Azeron compact ... (same as in the xbox elite controller) ... it will then give you a choice of 3 different thumbstick heights.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cardain on 08:31 AM - 04/12/19
Anyone using control freeks with the azeron? I love the comfort they could add but don't want to ruin my thumbstick as they have ripped up some of my ds4's in the past

I put a new magnetic thumbstick in my Azeron compact ... (same as in the xbox elite controller) ... it will then give you a choice of 3 different thumbstick heights.

@#$% thats fancy. But probably requires soldering, no?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 09:29 AM - 04/12/19
Anyone using control freeks with the azeron? I love the comfort they could add but don't want to ruin my thumbstick as they have ripped up some of my ds4's in the past

I put a new magnetic thumbstick in my Azeron compact ... (same as in the xbox elite controller) ... it will then give you a choice of 3 different thumbstick heights.

@#$% thats fancy. But probably requires soldering, no?

No, the back of the joystick enclosure unscrews and lets you take the cover off.
The joystick pulls off and putting the metal mushroom on is the same as replacing the spare stick that Imants sends with the Azeron.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 10:05 AM - 04/12/19
You've gotta show us where to get that stick  :o
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: fst_si on 10:26 AM - 04/12/19
Anyone using control freeks with the azeron? I love the comfort they could add but don't want to ruin my thumbstick as they have ripped up some of my ds4's in the past

I put a new magnetic thumbstick in my Azeron compact ... (same as in the xbox elite controller) ... it will then give you a choice of 3 different thumbstick heights.

@#$% thats fancy. But probably requires soldering, no?

No, the back of the joystick enclosure unscrews and lets you take the cover off.
The joystick pulls off and putting the metal mushroom on is the same as replacing the spare stick that Imants sends with the Azeron.

Dam that is a nice find, I have a elite controller lying around that I don't use, sounds like a scuf stick might also work? Not so worried now
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: burnttoast on 11:18 AM - 04/12/19
just got mine today and i like it very much some wrong button presses but that's about it. got the software and firmware but i have one issue. In joystick mode i can't sprint. If i put it in keyboard mode it will let me sprint. Is there any fix for this anybody?


Having exact same issue

In the azeron software lower the outer Deadzone to around 300


Juat a heads up that I had trouble with mode selection too on the Compact and the profiles ended up corrupting. Reinstalling firmware didn't help.

I swapped to W11cE firmware and it's been rock-solid since, but I can't make adjustments to stick angle etc. I'm happy enough with default, so it's no big deal.

This is most noobish comment on here, apologies in advance for that, but how do I download and then switch to W11cE firmware to the azeron, can someone message me the step by steps please (or point me to the right post). I love this piece of equipment but the joystick just doesnt feel right no matter what settings I put it on.

Thanks!

First of all try my comment above before installing any other firmware if you still want to install w11ce simple firmware (see below)

1. If you have not already Installed the pc driver https://azeron.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/serial_driver.zip (https://azeron.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/serial_driver.zip) (for PC, to recognize the keypad)

2. Then Download the Azeron manual http://azeron.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Azeron-Manual-V2.0.pdf (http://azeron.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Azeron-Manual-V2.0.pdf)

3. Then download W11ce software https://azeron.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Simple_XIM_Firmware_16jan2019_W11ces.zip (https://azeron.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Simple_XIM_Firmware_16jan2019_W11ces.zip) and unzip that to your desktop it contains the Hex file you need

Then goto chapter 5 which is page 6 of the Azeron manual and follow them steps.


If later you decide you want the default firmware re-installed you can find the latest azeron firmware here https://azeron.eu/software/ (https://azeron.eu/software/)

Thank you!!!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: burnttoast on 11:21 AM - 04/12/19
Anyone using control freeks with the azeron? I love the comfort they could add but don't want to ruin my thumbstick as they have ripped up some of my ds4's in the past

I switched out the standard joystick it came with for a PS4 non domed stick and put on a Kontrol Freak Omni, feels great. Finally managed to mess around with my dead zones and joystick angles last night based on advice here and its awesome. This is a great and very helpful community.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: fst_si on 11:43 AM - 04/12/19
Anyone using control freeks with the azeron? I love the comfort they could add but don't want to ruin my thumbstick as they have ripped up some of my ds4's in the past

I switched out the standard joystick it came with for a PS4 non domed stick and put on a Kontrol Freak Omni, feels great. Finally managed to mess around with my dead zones and joystick angles last night based on advice here and its awesome. This is a great and very helpful community.

Again same process to change the stick out? My CQCX will fit on the current stick so might give it a shot
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 12:10 PM - 04/12/19
You've gotta show us where to get that stick  :o
This was the one I bought, but there are others.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Replacement-JoysticksT8H-Screwdrivers-RepairAccessories-EVORETRO/dp/B07D9515JP/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1549472782&sr=8-14&keywords=evoretro (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Replacement-JoysticksT8H-Screwdrivers-RepairAccessories-EVORETRO/dp/B07D9515JP/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1549472782&sr=8-14&keywords=evoretro)

I got the idea after Imants mentioned that he was "thinking" about making  swappable magnetic sticks an extra option
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cardain on 05:07 PM - 04/13/19
You've gotta show us where to get that stick  :o
This was the one I bought, but there are others.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Replacement-JoysticksT8H-Screwdrivers-RepairAccessories-EVORETRO/dp/B07D9515JP/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1549472782&sr=8-14&keywords=evoretro (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Replacement-JoysticksT8H-Screwdrivers-RepairAccessories-EVORETRO/dp/B07D9515JP/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1549472782&sr=8-14&keywords=evoretro)

I got the idea after Imants mentioned that he was "thinking" about making  swappable magnetic sticks an extra option

Done and done! Thanks for the idea!

(https://imgur.com/CQ6aA2B.jpg)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: B0wl_of_weed on 06:13 PM - 04/13/19
Hey guys i play apex legends about to start playing alot does anyone know the deadzones and stuff that are good for joystick mode?? Just curious i got it set to 20 and 350 deadzone. Im not very handy at all this deadzone talk thats why im asking ive been reading and it seems like u all got it figured out any help would be much appreciated.

My buttons double clicked on fortnite do u guys think 100 ms would be ideal?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cardain on 08:40 PM - 04/13/19
Not sure about the activation delay, you'll have to experiment with that. Regarding the deadzone, if you feel you reach max speed fast enough, you can leave the deadzone as it is, but if you feel like it take too long to reach max speed, lower the deadzone to like 250, so that you are at the max input level earlier in your stick travel.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 05:13 AM - 04/14/19
You've gotta show us where to get that stick  :o
This was the one I bought, but there are others.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Replacement-JoysticksT8H-Screwdrivers-RepairAccessories-EVORETRO/dp/B07D9515JP/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1549472782&sr=8-14&keywords=evoretro (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Replacement-JoysticksT8H-Screwdrivers-RepairAccessories-EVORETRO/dp/B07D9515JP/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1549472782&sr=8-14&keywords=evoretro)

I got the idea after Imants mentioned that he was "thinking" about making  swappable magnetic sticks an extra option

Done and done! Thanks for the idea!

(https://imgur.com/CQ6aA2B.jpg)

Nice  :)
I ended up using the smallest stick but I prefer a rounded top, so I stuck a little blob of Sugru on to get the round top.

It's nice to have options for stick length if you are moving the stick housing adjustment position about while looking to find the setting that feels right for your hand.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cardain on 08:45 AM - 04/14/19
I tried using the shortest stick, but it was so short that the underside of the stick rubbed against the housing when I push it to its maximum distance. I might have to just file off the underside of the short stick. I also googled if I could buy the domed stick but shorter, but surprisingly I could not find that.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 02:57 PM - 04/15/19
I tried using the shortest stick, but it was so short that the underside of the stick rubbed against the housing when I push it to its maximum distance. I might have to just file off the underside of the short stick. I also googled if I could buy the domed stick but shorter, but surprisingly I could not find that.

That's odd, never had that problem with the shortest one in the set I bought.
What about reducing the upper dead zone a bit more so that the stick doesn't travel so far?
I had a play about with the Azeron software yesterday and reduced my upper dead zone from 350 to 280. I also put the middle sized stick back in to try it out, and  it makes the stick feel really light and effortless with the reduced dead zone ... liking it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cardain on 03:53 PM - 04/15/19
So my problem is not necessarily the deadzones. I think i have 200 max anyway. But I usually move the stick to its max distance no matter the deadzones and I feel the underside of the short stick rub against the housing at its furthest point and if I give it a bit more pressure, it kind of levers the stick a bit out of the socket. I will try to file the underside of the short thumbstick a bit so I have a larger margin between thumbstick and housing and see if that works.

Honestly the most ideal stick would be the domed version and a height of halfway between the short convex and medium domed one. The medium domed one feels really good but is just a smidge too long so I feel like I lose a little bit of time having to move the stick a further distance going back and forth. Really surprised that you can't buy it anywhere. There are so many copies of the xbox elite magnetic thumbsticks but they all copied the originals one to one instead of providing different lenghts and tops.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 09:20 AM - 04/16/19
So yesterday I played 3 hours using just a regular PS4 dualshock controller. Man my hands hurt so bad! And my aim was off like nobody's business. I think I'll be sticking to the azeron and mouse from now on except for casual play and vehicles. The handcramps were pretty much unbearable, I don't know how I did it before.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: burnttoast on 11:13 AM - 04/16/19
I tried using the shortest stick, but it was so short that the underside of the stick rubbed against the housing when I push it to its maximum distance. I might have to just file off the underside of the short stick. I also googled if I could buy the domed stick but shorter, but surprisingly I could not find that.

That's odd, never had that problem with the shortest one in the set I bought.
What about reducing the upper dead zone a bit more so that the stick doesn't travel so far?
I had a play about with the Azeron software yesterday and reduced my upper dead zone from 350 to 280. I also put the middle sized stick back in to try it out, and  it makes the stick feel really light and effortless with the reduced dead zone ... liking it.

Totally agree I took mine down to around 230 - feels very fluid now
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: parjn on 10:25 PM - 04/17/19
Does anybody here know if it's possible to do a macro on the G502 that incorporates a button from the azeron gamepad?

What I have in mind is making the macro do a quick double tap of a button that is assigned to the azeron. I know I could just assign the button to the mouse and do it that way but, I want it on the azeron pad as well.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Priesty10 on 07:42 PM - 04/18/19
Hi Iíve been using the Azeron for about a 2 months now on fortnite and I use the middle finger press button for the build button. Every now and then when I click the build
Mode it will double press and go back to build mode. I canít actuallly remember it happening the other way
I donít know if this is a bug or my Azeron is playing up?
Thanks
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cardain on 08:29 PM - 04/18/19
Hi Iíve been using the Azeron for about a 2 months now on fortnite and I use the middle finger press button for the build button. Every now and then when I click the build
Mode it will double press and go back to build mode. I canít actuallly remember it happening the other way
I donít know if this is a bug or my Azeron is playing up?
Thanks

In the azeron app, if you click "About" on the left side, the lowest option is "button throttle", you can increase that value so that the azeron forces a pause before it processes the next input. This way you can prevent the "ghosting".
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Priesty10 on 11:09 AM - 04/19/19
Thanks a lot Cardain
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Priesty10 on 12:41 PM - 04/19/19
Also i donít know if anyone has experienced this, when I update to the latest firmware, I can unable to actually sprint in any game. Itís just a slow jog.
Wondered if anyone else experienced this and what they did to fix it?

Thanks
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cardain on 01:29 PM - 04/19/19
Also i don’t know if anyone has experienced this, when I update to the latest firmware, I can unable to actually sprint in any game. It’s just a slow jog.
Wondered if anyone else experienced this and what they did to fix it?

Thanks

I am assuming you are using it on profile 2 (2 lights on on the side) which is joystick mode? If so, you can reduce the distance you need to move the stick so that it registers "maximum distance". I think it was when you click on the little cog wheel option button on the thumbstick section of the azeron app and you will have something called a "Deadzone" you should try reducing it to like 250 on the max end. I have like 200 which is a bit much maybe, so 230-250 should be fine. What this does is that when you move the stick, it will think you have moved the stick to the maximum position when you maybe have moved it only half/three quarters of the way.

In your case the deadzone max might be too high, so even though you moved the stick to its limit, the software thinks you are not at the limit yet and so it just walks slower.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Priesty10 on 02:05 PM - 04/19/19
Thanks again cardain, atm Iím using the default firmware so it works but I can see I can change things to make things a little better, I will try this tomorrow and let you know, thanks again, appreciate it
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: chad20 on 06:11 PM - 04/19/19
I use my middle finger to ads and sometimes when I push it down it doesnít work. I hear it click but does nothing. Anyone else have any problems with buttons not registering? Hope itís not wearing out already.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Priesty10 on 05:56 AM - 04/20/19
Iíve been using these keybinds for 2 months now, anyone care to share theirs aswell, curious to see what others are using for fortnite

Azeron
Index finger press : x (jump)
Middle finger press : O (build)
Ring finger press : r3 (crouch)
Index finger pull : r1 (next weapon) (floor)
Middle finger pull : l1 (previous weapon) (roof)
Index side button : l3 (edit)

G502
Middle : Square (reload)
Scroll down : Triangle (pickaxe)
Right and left click are ads and fire respectively, with walls and ramp on them aswell

All others are on my mouse but these are the actual gameplay commands so thought I would just do these


Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 09:44 AM - 04/28/19
Just a heads up for anyone that wants to order ... site says it will be available to order on April 29th.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ColdMan on 02:17 PM - 04/28/19
Hello all, since i also feel analog movement is way better than K/B i have been using NAV for the past months with quite good results. Despite the lack of buttons of the NAV do you think Azeron analog experience is better than NAV? analog experience should be the same or not? Is the stick or the way its implemented a better thing?

Before investing in Azeron keypad i'd like to know how it feels in comparison with the NAV, buttons is not so important for me as i can manage with the NAV.

Thanks for your answers.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ThisGuy on 03:26 PM - 04/28/19
I used the Nav before buying an Azeron and I canít go back now plus I feel analog movement is better for console. Keep my keyboard for pc. But if you like analog movement then I highly recommend the Azeron, will take a little bit to get used to but the thing is great.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Abdulrahman on 12:14 PM - 04/29/19
Hi guys
I just orders azeron .
I read alot of your feedback and problems before 3 months or less
How it is now ? How the joystick now ? It is high quality ?
What about software problems ? Deadzone double click and dpad not run issue ?

Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Priesty10 on 06:32 PM - 04/29/19
My middle button click started to play up and wasnít actually working anymore.
I went into software and saw that when I pressed down on it, it sometimes registered and sometimes it didnít it and I was using that button for my build button so it was a killer for me.
I just sent it to imants on Sunday and he said he will repair it for me, but Iím from UK and I think I will be without it for maybe a few weeks which is a bummer but I donít mind too much because it really is a great piece of kit
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Crushtaculer on 08:00 AM - 05/02/19
Just got mine in, really like how adjustable the finger keys are.  Pretty easy to setup and get working with the xim apex.  Only thing I adjusted was the joystick angle in the software.  I Found the lower keys fairly uncomfortable to use, so I am just utilizing the rear paddles you pull and a few of the forward flick paddles.  Easy transition from the Sony nav and now I have more then enough easily accessible buttons, while maintaining  the analog movement I prefer. Hopefully durability isn't an issue, as the paddles to feel a bit flimsy. 
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Intrickit27 on 10:39 AM - 05/03/19
My middle button click started to play up and wasnít actually working anymore.
I went into software and saw that when I pressed down on it, it sometimes registered and sometimes it didnít it and I was using that button for my build button so it was a killer for me.
I just sent it to imants on Sunday and he said he will repair it for me, but Iím from UK and I think I will be without it for maybe a few weeks which is a bummer but I donít mind too much because it really is a great piece of kit
The same happened to mine. It was working fine, but I think I bumped the side of it one day causing it to malfunction. I'm not sending it back so I just unscrewed the 2 screws holding all middle finger tabs. Then replaced it with my ring finger tabs. Easy swap and now everything is working great!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: tsdbhg on 09:23 PM - 05/06/19
Man I wish I could buy one of these @#$% things. I keep checking every day for the last month and every time I do it is sold out. You would think the manufacturer of a highly demanded item would figure that out.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 11:28 PM - 05/06/19
Man I wish I could buy one of these @#$% things. I keep checking every day for the last month and every time I do it is sold out. You would think the manufacturer of a highly demanded item would figure that out.
Azeron is not a manufacturer, it's a guy 3D-printing from a workshop in Latvia. He's doing the best he can with the resources he has.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: tsdbhg on 11:46 PM - 05/06/19
Man I wish I could buy one of these @#$% things. I keep checking every day for the last month and every time I do it is sold out. You would think the manufacturer of a highly demanded item would figure that out.
Azeron is not a manufacturer, it's a guy 3D-printing from a workshop in Latvia. He's doing the best he can with the resources he has.

I know Azeron is not the manufacturer. That wasn't my point. Manufacturing something this simple can be licensed to multiple 3rd party manufacturers. In business when supply doesn't meet demand that is what you do. Make more money from turnover vs limiting supply.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 01:13 AM - 05/07/19
Except Latvia. Again, he's doing the best he can with the tools at his disposal.

When he's happy Azeron's design is locked down (it's been fluid to date), he'll no doubt talk to a supplier. However, they'll likely ask for a much larger order than can be easily afforded, so a Kickstarter campaign might be the way to go.

Until then, just keep trying.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Neo1089 on 06:32 AM - 05/07/19
Hello, I just got a notification that my Azeron compact has arrived!
So as soon as I get home I'll start using it.

I have a question, I only play Fortnite on ps4 (currently I use Sony Nav + g502)

Do I need to do something special to set the Azeron up?
Or is it just enough to plug it in into my xim apex, assign keybinds to it from the Xim manager and start playing with it??

Not sure because I read around something about updating the firmware?

Could someone please tell me all the steps needed to be ready to play with the Azeron on the xim apex?

Thank you very much
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Abdulrahman on 11:04 AM - 05/07/19
Hey neo1089

Can you tell us when you order it and when it shipped ?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:22 PM - 05/07/19
Azeron's plug-and-play on XIM Apex. Just make sure to use joystick mode (the button near the logo).

Fortnite's the only game I'd rather use a kb than Azeron because I can't bind roof and floor to a mouse (left-handed) and building is not comfortable where I bind my L1 and R1 on Azeron.

But if you're using a Nav, the Azeron is an improvement.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Neo1089 on 02:14 AM - 05/08/19
Hey neo1089

Can you tell us when you order it and when it shipped ?

ordered the Azeron Compact on the 28.03, it was shipped the 23.04, and it arrived the 07.05
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Neo1089 on 02:20 AM - 05/08/19
Azeron's plug-and-play on XIM Apex. Just make sure to use joystick mode (the button near the logo).

Fortnite's the only game I'd rather use a kb than Azeron because I can't bind roof and floor to a mouse (left-handed) and building is not comfortable where I bind my L1 and R1 on Azeron.

But if you're using a Nav, the Azeron is an improvement.
Ok, I use roof and floor on the mouse, anyway yesterday I didnt have time to test it out, but I unpacked the Azeron and tried it a little bit with my hand.

To be honest, from the 5minutes I simulated with my hand playing, I'm not sure it will be confortable for me!

It's 3 years that I'm using the sony Nav, and I jump in fortnite with the Nav back trigger (L2), and I enter in build mode with the back button (L1),

and it seems to me that there isnt a good button on the Azeron where I Could bind my jump and use it comfortably, as when I play fortnite I keep jumping all the time, so I need a button that it's comfortable to be pressed all the time.

The best buttons on the Azeron seem to be the ones you pull with the fingers, the push ones I don't like them at all, and not sure about the central ones that you click

Maybe it's all about getting practice with it,

my only issue with the nav was, that I would have loved just 2 more buttons, that's why I decided to order the Azeron!

I'll give it a go in the following days, and see how it goes, I hope I will see the improvement, but I need to say that the Sony Nav was almost perfect for me (super comfortable in my hand), it was just missing a couple of buttons!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Abdulrahman on 09:39 AM - 05/08/19
Hey neo1089

Can you tell us when you order it and when it shipped ?

ordered the Azeron Compact on the 28.03, it was shipped the 23.04, and it arrived the 07.05
thanks for replaying , one more question , what is was you number in queue when you order it ??
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ThisGuy on 11:40 AM - 05/14/19
Anyone had the on board memory fail? I have been using it for around a month and today i tried using my Azeron and multiple buttons weren't working as well as i couldn't sprint. So i plugged it back into my pc and ran the software and all of my settings have been reset to default. Wasn't a huge issue as i reprogrammed it and was back up and running just curious if this is going to be something that i have to deal with every once in a while?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Intrickit27 on 05:11 PM - 05/15/19
Azeron's plug-and-play on XIM Apex. Just make sure to use joystick mode (the button near the logo).

Fortnite's the only game I'd rather use a kb than Azeron because I can't bind roof and floor to a mouse (left-handed) and building is not comfortable where I bind my L1 and R1 on Azeron.

But if you're using a Nav, the Azeron is an improvement.
Ok, I use roof and floor on the mouse, anyway yesterday I didnt have time to test it out, but I unpacked the Azeron and tried it a little bit with my hand.

To be honest, from the 5minutes I simulated with my hand playing, I'm not sure it will be confortable for me!

It's 3 years that I'm using the sony Nav, and I jump in fortnite with the Nav back trigger (L2), and I enter in build mode with the back button (L1),

and it seems to me that there isnt a good button on the Azeron where I Could bind my jump and use it comfortably, as when I play fortnite I keep jumping all the time, so I need a button that it's comfortable to be pressed all the time.

The best buttons on the Azeron seem to be the ones you pull with the fingers, the push ones I don't like them at all, and not sure about the central ones that you click

Maybe it's all about getting practice with it,

my only issue with the nav was, that I would have loved just 2 more buttons, that's why I decided to order the Azeron!

I'll give it a go in the following days, and see how it goes, I hope I will see the improvement, but I need to say that the Sony Nav was almost perfect for me (super comfortable in my hand), it was just missing a couple of buttons!
You'll get use to it. I've been playing with nav for like 5 years now. I felt the same way. Now I won't look back. You have to give it time. Muscle memory. Everything is gonna feel uncomfortable until muscle memory is trained. I use middle finger pull for build and pointer finger pull for jump. The thumbstick push in is my edit button for Fortnite.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 06:03 PM - 05/16/19
Anyone had the on board memory fail? I have been using it for around a month and today i tried using my Azeron and multiple buttons weren't working as well as i couldn't sprint. So i plugged it back into my pc and ran the software and all of my settings have been reset to default. Wasn't a huge issue as i reprogrammed it and was back up and running just curious if this is going to be something that i have to deal with every once in a while?
Yes. My firmware corrupted and I can't use profiles. Resetting and reinstalling the Azeron firmware made no difference.

I installed W11cE firmware instead which has been rock-solid, but I can't edit anything. Not a big deal as I'm fine with plain vanilla, but concerning nonetheless.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: starkman on 01:00 AM - 05/24/19
Does anyone possess and can affirm this item works?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: burnttoast on 11:52 AM - 05/24/19
Does anyone possess and can affirm this item works?

It works great
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 05:00 AM - 05/25/19
Does anyone possess and can affirm this item works?

It works great


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Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: R3MiX on 11:57 AM - 05/27/19
Does anyone know if the joystick direction can be adjusted? Like if I wanted forward, like 15į more to the left, and pretty much move everything else 15į left.  I'm not liking the default direction just feels weird and throws me off.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 01:45 PM - 05/27/19
Does anyone know if the joystick direction can be adjusted? Like if I wanted forward, like 15į more to the left, and pretty much move everything else 15į left.  I'm not liking the default direction just feels weird and throws me off.
Yes it's pretty simple to adjust the stick angle if you are using the Azeron software ... it must be simple if I can do it  ;)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:19 PM - 05/27/19
Does anyone know if the joystick direction can be adjusted? Like if I wanted forward, like 15į more to the left, and pretty much move everything else 15į left.  I'm not liking the default direction just feels weird and throws me off.
Also make sure you're using joystick mode. I personally use W11cE's firmware which doesn't have adjustable deadzones and it seems fine at default.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: THE-MARAVINGY on 09:01 AM - 05/28/19
So far out of the box not great, spent 4 hrs trying to get it working to some small degree of success but all of the buttons on my middle finger branch are not registering a loss of 4 buttons.

Without that branch its a no go for me back in the box and on the shelf.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:38 PM - 05/28/19
So far out of the box not great, spent 4 hrs trying to get it working to some small degree of success but all of the buttons on my middle finger branch are not registering a loss of 4 buttons.

Without that branch its a no go for me back in the box and on the shelf.
Let Imants (Azeron) know, he'll fix it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: alanmcgregor on 06:10 PM - 05/28/19
I'm looking into give it a try to Azeron. Compact seems to be the model for consoles.

Now there is more players using it, I have a question for you specially for the ones like me that we are hard-rooted the WASD scheme.

How you jump? while still have full movement, which button do you use for it?

on WASD space is the go-to, on Orbweaver for me is the small button on top of the stick.

That was the one thing I can't never get used to on the G13.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: R3MiX on 10:10 PM - 05/28/19
Does anyone know if the joystick direction can be adjusted? Like if I wanted forward, like 15į more to the left, and pretty much move everything else 15į left.  I'm not liking the default direction just feels weird and throws me off.
Also make sure you're using joystick mode. I personally use W11cE's firmware which doesn't have adjustable deadzones and it seems fine at default.

How do I know if Im on joystick mode? One LED on or two?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 11:35 PM - 05/28/19
Two LEDs and the buttons will register as joystick buttons in XIM Manager.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: THE-MARAVINGY on 01:55 AM - 05/29/19
So far out of the box not great, spent 4 hrs trying to get it working to some small degree of success but all of the buttons on my middle finger branch are not registering a loss of 4 buttons.

Without that branch its a no go for me back in the box and on the shelf.
Let Imants (Azeron) know, he'll fix it.

Yeah all sorted thanks their FB page is great for instant help he will respond to your question or problem in a matter of minutes.
Just ended up being a slightly loose screw on the neg wire for that tower.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Abdulrahman on 02:57 AM - 05/29/19
So far out of the box not great, spent 4 hrs trying to get it working to some small degree of success but all of the buttons on my middle finger branch are not registering a loss of 4 buttons.

Without that branch its a no go for me back in the box and on the shelf.

A lot of people complain about azeron quality is it bad 💔 ?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:42 AM - 05/29/19
The quality isn't bad at all, however keep in mind that it's a hand-made, 3D-printed device.

If you look after your gear, Azeron will treat you well. If you're heavy-handed, it's unlikely to keep up with the physical stress.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: roads on 03:47 AM - 05/29/19
Yeah don't throw it. But try to ask Belkin or Razer for a broken part. Imants will sell you a new one. For a 3D print its great quality. How much parts does it have btw? 50?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:58 AM - 05/29/19
I'm looking into give it a try to Azeron. Compact seems to be the model for consoles.

Now there is more players using it, I have a question for you specially for the ones like me that we are hard-rooted the WASD scheme.

How you jump? while still have full movement, which button do you use for it?

on WASD space is the go-to, on Orbweaver for me is the small button on top of the stick.

That was the one thing I can't never get used to on the G13.
Index pull for Jump (Cross button), middle pull for Crouch (Circle), index tap right for Swap Weapon (Triangle), ring finger pull for Sprint (L3), index fingernail for L1, ring fingernail for R1.
Shoot & ADS on L & R click, Melee is scroll up & index press down, Reload / Interact is scroll down (tap Square) & middle click (hold Square).
The buttons on the top of the towers are Share, PS, Options & Touch-click.
Press down for ring and pinky are used to cycle through XIM profiles.
D-pad on the 5-way stick (a game-changer from the original Azeron).

The only game that doesn't feel comfortable with this scheme is Fortnite due to the need to hit L1 and R1 more often than other games. As an accursed left-hander, I don't have the luxury of right-side buttons on my preferred mice for L1 & R1, so I stick with a kb for FN.

A few other things I had to work around -

1. I originally had Square mapped to index tap right (tap left in my case) and it's comfortable there, but it knocks the Azeron around more than I'd like (it needs Blu-Tac on the bottom to stop moving on the desk). My G305 scroll wheel down is unreliable for Weapon Swap and I want to be able to keep shooting while swapping weapons as much as possible, so Triangle swapped places with Square (Reload / Interact on scroll down & middle click).

2. Melee still has me a little troubled. I like scroll up, but it means a physical lag between shooting and melee while the finger moves from one button to the other. I've double-bound melee to index press down so I can shoot and melee at the same time.

3. I find there's no need for a dedicated L1+R1 mapping in Black Ops 4 or Destiny as the L1 & R1 fingernail presses are very reliable. That freed up some secondary binding slots in XIM Manager.

Definitely go with the Compact, the tall Azeron tower buttons are too clumsy to be reliable in the heat of battle. Your fingers need to move from flexion to full extension (a very slow movement) and chances are another button will be hit along the path.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: tsdbhg on 07:22 AM - 05/29/19
At 2:11am CST I received an email and thankfully I was awake.  Azeron is available to order! Within seconds I am on the website and notice only 13 are available to order. I immediately order mine. I go to bed a few minutes later. I wake up at 6:13am CST to take a bio-break and decide to check availability... Sold out!

Waited nearly a month for a day with no specific time frame with less than a 4 hour window to purchase... This man really needs to expand manufacturing. He has no idea how much business he is missing.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 08:21 AM - 05/29/19
At 2:11am CST I received an email and thankfully I was awake.  Azeron is available to order. Within seconds I am on the website and notice only 13 are available to order. I immediately order mine. I go to bed a few minutes later. I wake up at 6:13am CST to take a bio-break and decide to check availability... Sold out!

This man really needs to expand manufacturing. He has no idea how much business he is missing.
It's his baby, his invention and he doesn't "need" to expand manufacturing, people might want him to expand, but if this is how Imants wants to work then accept it.
How can we reasonably expect him to do this when he is still listening and taking onboard suggestions and ways to make it better?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: tsdbhg on 09:23 AM - 05/29/19
At 2:11am CST I received an email and thankfully I was awake.  Azeron is available to order. Within seconds I am on the website and notice only 13 are available to order. I immediately order mine. I go to bed a few minutes later. I wake up at 6:13am CST to take a bio-break and decide to check availability... Sold out!

This man really needs to expand manufacturing. He has no idea how much business he is missing.
It's his baby, his invention and he doesn't "need" to expand manufacturing, people might want him to expand, but if this is how Imants wants to work then accept it.
How can we reasonably expect him to do this when he is still listening and taking onboard suggestions and ways to make it better?

I respect personal decisions, but there is a major flaw with your logic.

Manufacturers of nearly all electronics are constantly making mid cycle revisions while still selling abundantly. Also there are numerous products that have made enough changes to warrant a generation leap. Just because he is still making changes does not mean the product is not ready for mass production. If products are not released because there are still changes being made, then nothing will ever be released.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 10:48 AM - 05/29/19
I don't look at it as being "logic" ... it's the way things are and I accept it for what it is . :)
You really think it's that simple to get changes made to outsourced mass production?

 
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: tsdbhg on 12:13 PM - 05/29/19
I don't look at it as being "logic" ... it's the way things are and I accept it for what it is . :)
You really think it's that simple to get changes made to outsourced mass production?
Just because you don't view it as logic doesn't mean it isn't. Just because you view a fork as a spoon doesn't mean it is. This isn't about a point of view. It's about facts. If he doesn't want to license the product to other manufacturers for personal reasons I can understand that. It doesn't make sense to sell a product being made, but not license to other manufacturers because there are still changes being made. If it is good enough to sell and have good reviews is all that matters.

And to answer your question. I don't think it's that simple... I know it is. When a licensing contract is created, all of that is put in there. Any time there is a change, the mass producers can and do accommodate. They have the capability. If they didn't, they would lose business. You really should educate yourself before posting nonsense.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 12:48 PM - 05/29/19
At 2:11am CST I received an email and thankfully I was awake.  Azeron is available to order! Within seconds I am on the website and notice only 13 are available to order. I immediately order mine. I go to bed a few minutes later. I wake up at 6:13am CST to take a bio-break and decide to check availability... Sold out!

Waited nearly a month for a day with no specific time frame with less than a 4 hour window to purchase... This man really needs to expand manufacturing. He has no idea how much business he is missing.
I clearly understand a potential of this keypad and how it could be a business, but not all is that simple.
First, to start manufacturing them we need a lot of investment, for injection moulds (25 different plastic parts), plastic parts, electronic, assembling, packing, marketing and I don't have funds like that.
Even if I could find funds, I have zero experience in business and manufacturing, what is equivalent to a dead end.
I like all engineering stuff I can manage some small Etsy store, but manufacturing is absolutely different level. So at the moment this is a best way I can offer people to get hands on my keypad.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 01:13 PM - 05/29/19
I don't look at it as being "logic" ... it's the way things are and I accept it for what it is . :)
You really think it's that simple to get changes made to outsourced mass production?
Just because you don't view it as logic doesn't mean it isn't. Just because you view a fork as a spoon doesn't mean it is. This isn't about a point of view. It's about facts. If he doesn't want to license the product to other manufacturers for personal reasons I can understand that. It doesn't make sense to sell a product being made, but not license to other manufacturers because there are still changes being made. If it is good enough to sell and have good reviews is all that matters.

And to answer your question. I don't think it's that simple... I know it is. When a licensing contract is created, all of that is put in there. Any time there is a change, the mass producers can and do accommodate. They have the capability. If they didn't, they would lose business. You really should educate yourself before posting nonsense.

Please forgive me for my stupidity .... you obviously know best how someone else should run their project ;)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: tsdbhg on 02:52 PM - 05/29/19
At 2:11am CST I received an email and thankfully I was awake.  Azeron is available to order! Within seconds I am on the website and notice only 13 are available to order. I immediately order mine. I go to bed a few minutes later. I wake up at 6:13am CST to take a bio-break and decide to check availability... Sold out!

Waited nearly a month for a day with no specific time frame with less than a 4 hour window to purchase... This man really needs to expand manufacturing. He has no idea how much business he is missing.
I clearly understand a potential of this keypad and how it could be a business, but not all is that simple.
First, to start manufacturing them we need a lot of investment, for injection moulds (25 different plastic parts), plastic parts, electronic, assembling, packing, marketing and I don't have funds like that.
Even if I could find funds, I have zero experience in business and manufacturing, what is equivalent to a dead end.
I like all engineering stuff I can manage some small Etsy store, but manufacturing is absolutely different level. So at the moment this is a best way I can offer people to get hands on my keypad.

This was my initial assumption. When I get my unit I will gladly give my full thoughts on it. I recommend if you haven't already to research someone who has the business sense to help you take those steps. If you don't have the funds then investors can help. Based on how it looks, what it does and all of the reviews this could be a big addition to the gaming world. 👍
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: tsdbhg on 02:55 PM - 05/29/19
I don't look at it as being "logic" ... it's the way things are and I accept it for what it is . :)
You really think it's that simple to get changes made to outsourced mass production?
Just because you don't view it as logic doesn't mean it isn't. Just because you view a fork as a spoon doesn't mean it is. This isn't about a point of view. It's about facts. If he doesn't want to license the product to other manufacturers for personal reasons I can understand that. It doesn't make sense to sell a product being made, but not license to other manufacturers because there are still changes being made. If it is good enough to sell and have good reviews is all that matters.

And to answer your question. I don't think it's that simple... I know it is. When a licensing contract is created, all of that is put in there. Any time there is a change, the mass producers can and do accommodate. They have the capability. If they didn't, they would lose business. You really should educate yourself before posting nonsense.

Please forgive me for my stupidity .... you obviously know best how someone else should run their project ;)

I never said you were stupid. Ignorant is a better word. Stupidity is knowing something isn't right, but do it anyway. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge. There are many things I am ignorant about, but I don't act like I know what I'm talking about when I don't. Based on the owner reply above, my assumptions we're correct. It has nothing to do with the owner wanting to make changes to the product or keep it a small business. He just needs the right connections.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 05:27 PM - 05/29/19
Imants is essentially running a hobby business. Consider the location and the lack of business opportunities therein. Give the man time to work out what he wants to do and how he wants to do it.

Kickstarter or Indiegogo would likely be preferable to outsourcing or partnering so Imants retains control over his product and his own destiny. If you want a perfect example of how outside funding and partnering can all go wrong, talk to J2Kbr at ConsoleTuner about how CronusMAX dicked him over. That's how Titan One was born.

On the flipside, we have the perfect example of how to retain control over your product and make it successful right here with OBsIV. It's already been suggested that Imants should talk to OBsIV to get some advice on how to take Azeron to the next level.

In the meantime, Azeron customers understand what they're buying and don't hold it to the same manufacturing standards as a commercial product. Likewise, we also know Azeron is very reasonably priced for what we get which is a hand-crafted instrument that would not be easily mass-produced.

Please don't tell Imants what he needs to fulfill your own wants, let him choose his own path. By all means we should encourage him to make a go of it, but also consider he's meeting the needs of a small gaming niche that may not have mass-market appear. A Kickstarter campaign is probably the best way to test the market without committing his life savings, borrowing heavily or mortgaging his house on the project.

Long story short - if you want an Azeron, understand that it's a hobby project from a man with limited resources and to join the queue.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: tsdbhg on 08:38 PM - 05/29/19
if you want an Azeron, understand that it's a hobby project from a man with limited resources and to join the queue.

There is no queue to purchase. He will only send a PM when it is available for purchase.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cardain on 08:02 AM - 05/30/19
I think not everything needs to be focused on making the most business as possible. As long as Imants is happy, it really doesn't matter how large he scales it because its his craft. It has a romantic ring to it an I kind of like this is a hand crafted, custom product of which there are not many of. The interactions here, per message and on the facebook page have a more personal nature which I appreciate.

The other thing I would be personally worried about mass production is that THE main attraction for me about the Azeron is that he can easily create left and right handed versions. In mass production where you have to create expensive molds, it would make little business sense to make molds for a left handed audience since its such a small percentage of the population and you would not get your investment back, like when Razer did a run of the naga for left handed people and ran a loss on that line.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 08:32 AM - 05/30/19
I think not everything needs to be focused on making the most business as possible. As long as Imants is happy, it really doesn't matter how large he scales it because its his craft. It has a romantic ring to it an I kind of like this is a hand crafted, custom product of which there are not many of. The interactions here, per message and on the facebook page have a more personal nature which I appreciate.

The other thing I would be personally worried about mass production is that THE main attraction for me about the Azeron is that he can easily create left and right handed versions. In mass production where you have to create expensive molds, it would make little business sense to make molds for a left handed audience since its such a small percentage of the population and you would not get your investment back, like when Razer did a run of the naga for left handed people and ran a loss on that line.

You totally get what this is all about  :)
As for customer service, I remember sending an email on a Saturday night asking a question about my Azeron and expecting a reply about Monday or so ... I got an answer 10 minutes later around 10pm on a Saturday night.

Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 04:10 PM - 05/30/19
I think not everything needs to be focused on making the most business as possible. As long as Imants is happy, it really doesn't matter how large he scales it because its his craft. It has a romantic ring to it an I kind of like this is a hand crafted, custom product of which there are not many of. The interactions here, per message and on the facebook page have a more personal nature which I appreciate.

The other thing I would be personally worried about mass production is that THE main attraction for me about the Azeron is that he can easily create left and right handed versions. In mass production where you have to create expensive molds, it would make little business sense to make molds for a left handed audience since its such a small percentage of the population and you would not get your investment back, like when Razer did a run of the naga for left handed people and ran a loss on that line.
Bingo. In the end, as long as Imants is happy and doing what he loves, Azeron will be a success. If that means waiting, then it means waiting. I happily waited twice because there is nothing else like Azeron out there, especially for left-handers.

As a left-hander, I have never had access to a product like this. So few manufacturers invest in left-handed devices because of the expense. The flipside to that is whoever makes a good left-handed device can corner 10-12% of the market rather than fighting tooth and nail for right-handed scraps.

Naga failed because it sucked (I own one, used it twice). I'm 100% ok with ambidextrous devices, e.g all Logitech needs to do is slot buttons on both sides of G102, G203, G Pro, G305 etc and I'm a pig in poo. Buttons on both sides doesn't harm righties (off-side buttons are perfect for DPI up / down) and it opens up the lefty market.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cardain on 01:46 PM - 05/31/19
Oh I got the Logitech G903 ambidextrous with the wireless charging mouse pad. You can just remove the buttons on one side, its great. I use that for PC though. For XIM I use an older Razer Ouroboros. Sometimes I see some of those fancy flagship mice for right handed people and really wish I could give those a spin too though like the new Logitech G502.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 02:16 PM - 05/31/19
G900 range is too big for my grip (I hate palm) and I used an Ouroboros for years (too wide, terrible sensor, get rid of it!).

I swapped to a G303 and it was night and day compared to the Ouro. The G303 died, so I've since swapped to a G Pro and a G305. They would be perfect if only they had right-side buttons :shakefist: I own around 20 lefty and ambi mice and none of them come close to the small Logitechs.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: tsdbhg on 08:18 PM - 05/31/19
G900 range is too big for my grip (I hate palm) and I used an Ouroboros for years (too wide, terrible sensor, get rid of it!).

I swapped to a G303 and it was night and day compared to the Ouro. The G303 died, so I've since swapped to a G Pro and a G305. They would be perfect if only they had right-side buttons :shakefist: I own around 20 lefty and ambi mice and none of them come close to the small Logitechs.

The G Pro does have right and left side buttons that can be swapped for cover plates.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:31 AM - 06/01/19
That'll be the G Pro Wireless. I use the wired G Pro. I don't want the wireless version, it's missing the button behind the wheel and it's a touch too long. It's also very expensive!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: tsdbhg on 12:43 PM - 06/01/19
That'll be the G Pro Wireless. I use the wired G Pro. I don't want the wireless version, it's missing the button behind the wheel and it's a touch too long. It's also very expensive!

I can understand if you are not wanting it because of the missing button, but wireless is not what you think it is anymore. Reliable testing shows there is no measurable difference in response time between the wireless and wired versions of these mice. I upgraded to a G903 using the LightSpeed wireless charging mat so I never have to recharge the batteries. It has never had any issues. Having a wire can effect aiming.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:28 PM - 06/01/19
G305 is the wireless version of the G Pro shell. It's my daily driver for console gaming ;)

Battery life is exceptional and there's no performance loss vs wired. The only issue I have with the G305 is the scrollwheel isn't as good as the wired G Pro and misses button presses.

My point is that I simply don't like the G Pro Wireless (slightly too big, missing button, expensive), regardless of buttons on both sides. If the G305 had right-side buttons, it'd be perfect.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Yaserious on 07:46 PM - 06/02/19
Hi,

So is this product work now with xim apex? Wired or Wireless? I play only on console Destiny 2.

Thanks.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Cardain on 09:51 AM - 06/03/19
Hi,

So is this product work now with xim apex? Wired or Wireless? I play only on console Destiny 2.

Thanks.

Yes. Wired. I play 90% destiny 2 with it, on XIM4, but should also work on Xim Apex.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:28 PM - 06/03/19
I play Destiny 2 on XIM Apex using an Azeron.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JT Jenkins on 02:47 PM - 06/05/19
Some questions on the Azeron analog stick.

1) Does it register as true analog movement on XIM? (e.g. like a nav)

2) How comfortable / durable is the thumbstick design? Is it comparable to an Xbox or PS thumbstick?

3) Are there thumbstick attachment options? (e.g. KontrolFreek extenders or thumbstick covers/grips)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Kuzzad on 03:09 PM - 06/05/19
What do you guys set the analog dead zone to? I was having trouble keeping my character moving almost like he was stuck in mud any suggestions would be helpful
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 08:05 PM - 06/05/19
Some questions on the Azeron analog stick.

1) Does it register as true analog movement on XIM? (e.g. like a nav)

2) How comfortable / durable is the thumbstick design? Is it comparable to an Xbox or PS thumbstick?

3) Are there thumbstick attachment options? (e.g. KontrolFreek extenders or thumbstick covers/grips)
The analog stick was upgraded with the release of the Compact. It's nice and smooth now and functions the same as a Nav, DS4, XB1 controller etc. Overall, it's very comfortable.


The thumbstick comes with maybe 5 silicon thumbstick covers of varying shapes and sizes.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JT Jenkins on 09:10 AM - 06/06/19
Sounds perfect, I'll keep an eye out for when the compacts become available again.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Kuzzad on 01:57 PM - 06/09/19
Iíve tried a couple different deadzone settings all I want is when I push left or right on the joystick to strafe left or strafe right and Iím having a hard time achieving that anyone got some joystick settings you use and have no issues ?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:44 PM - 06/09/19
Try the W11cE firmware, it's very simple by comparison to Azeron's but it works reliably. Also make sure you're using joystick mode (2 leds are lit near the logo).
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Thedoofreign on 05:57 AM - 06/10/19
What do you guys set the analog dead zone to? I was having trouble keeping my character moving almost like he was stuck in mud any suggestions would be helpful

I just received mine and have been fiddling around with the settings.  Did you try lowering the top end deadzone?  300 worked for me.  Also sensitive to 3 helped a lot.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Neo1089 on 12:03 AM - 06/11/19
if someone is interested, I m selling my Azeron!

I bought the Compact version, with the curved rest hand, and it's Orange color.

The Azeron is brand new, never been plugged into my xim or never been turned on.

I bought it, when it arrived, I just put my hand on it, and I felt right away that this wasn't for me! It would be too strange for me to control my inputs with the hand placed like that, so I'll stick to Sony Nav and Keyboard!

I'm selling it at -20% of retail price from the etsy shop! if interested PM me
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 12:49 AM - 06/11/19
I'm selling it at -20% of retail price from the etsy shop! if interested PM me
Might want to double-check your spelling - 20% off sounds more likely ;)

I agree - the flat wrist-rest is the safer, more comfortable option.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: [email protected] on 02:54 PM - 06/11/19
if someone is interested, I m selling my Azeron!

I bought the Compact version, with the curved rest hand, and it's Orange color.

The Azeron is brand new, never been plugged into my xim or never been turned on.

I bought it, when it arrived, I just put my hand on it, and I felt right away that this wasn't for me! It would be too strange for me to control my inputs with the hand placed like that, so I'll stick to Sony Nav and Keyboard!

I'm selling it at -20% of retail price from the etsy shop! if interested PM me

I sent you a PM.  I am very interested in buying your Azeron Compact
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Neo1089 on 10:52 PM - 06/11/19
I'm selling it at -20% of retail price from the etsy shop! if interested PM me
Might want to double-check your spelling - 20% off sounds more likely ;)

I agree - the flat wrist-rest is the safer, more comfortable option.
Hehehe you are right, small mistake  :D
Besides the wrist rest, the thing for me is, there are too many buttons all together, like having basically 3buttons on each finger (press, pull and push) it s too much, I would get lost, and also it s really strange for me to keep my hand flat like that on the Azeron, it just doesnít feel right!
But one thing I must say( Iím really impressed with the build quality of the Azeron, especially after finding out this guy is making them by himself!!! More quality than big brands products!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 10:25 AM - 06/13/19
I would like to ask if someone could make a quick tutorial "How to set up Azeron in XIM" As I don't have a XIM (and consoles) and I cannot do that. That would be very helpful for less experienced new Azeron / XIM users. Screenshots with comments or pfd would be great. Thank You
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: tsdbhg on 02:54 PM - 06/13/19
if someone is interested, I m selling my Azeron!

I bought the Compact version, with the curved rest hand, and it's Orange color.

The Azeron is brand new, never been plugged into my xim or never been turned on.

I bought it, when it arrived, I just put my hand on it, and I felt right away that this wasn't for me! It would be too strange for me to control my inputs with the hand placed like that, so I'll stick to Sony Nav and Keyboard!

I'm selling it at -20% of retail price from the etsy shop! if interested PM me
I sent you a PM with my email.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 04:52 PM - 06/13/19
I would like to ask if someone could make a quick tutorial "How to set up Azeron in XIM" As I don't have a XIM (and consoles) and I cannot do that. That would be very helpful for less experienced new Azeron / XIM users. Screenshots with comments or pfd would be great. Thank You
I'll do over the weekend, unless someone else beats me to it :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 10:47 PM - 06/13/19
I would like to ask if someone could make a quick tutorial "How to set up Azeron in XIM" As I don't have a XIM (and consoles) and I cannot do that. That would be very helpful for less experienced new Azeron / XIM users. Screenshots with comments or pfd would be great. Thank You
I'll do over the weekend, unless someone else beats me to it :)
Thank You, I really appreciate Your help.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Abdulrahman on 08:21 PM - 06/14/19
Hi guys ,
Can i ask what 5 way directional switch do ?
Also is it easy to learn the azeron software ? I way photos and it seems hard  :) , is there quick tutorial to learn it ?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 11:14 PM - 06/14/19
The 5-way switch means a 4-way d-pad that's also a clickable button.

You don't need to use the software at all, unless the default analog stick directions feel off. I use the W11cE firmware instead (available on the Azeron downloads page). W11cE's version has no options, but works 100% fine.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: tsdbhg on 03:01 AM - 06/15/19
The 5-way switch means a 4-way d-pad that's also a clickable button.

You don't need to use the software at all, unless the default analog stick directions feel off. I use the W11cE firmware instead (available on the Azeron downloads page). W11cE's version has no options, but works 100% fine.

Are the options even necessary when used with a Xim? Is the Xim firmware even needed when the Azeron is connected via PC using a transfer cable and Xim Link?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 03:23 AM - 06/15/19
It's not XIM firmware, it's W11cE's code is for the Azeron's analog stick.

I believe W11cE originally wrote it for a modified Nostromo (?). The code runs on a Teensy board, which is also used for the Azeron, so it was a pretty easy transfer.

Azeron runs natively when connected to either PC or XIM. I run W11cE over the official Azeron firmware as I had problems with profiles corrupting. It may have been corrected in subsequent FW, but I haven't seen the need to update.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: tsdbhg on 04:30 AM - 06/15/19
It's not XIM firmware, it's W11cE's code is for the Azeron's analog stick.

I believe W11cE originally wrote it for a modified Nostromo (?). The code runs on a Teensy board, which is also used for the Azeron, so it was a pretty easy transfer.

Azeron runs natively when connected to either PC or XIM. I run W11cE over the official Azeron firmware as I had problems with profiles corrupting. It may have been corrected in subsequent FW, but I haven't seen the need to update.

I am fully aware it is not an actual firmware for Xim. You took that out of context. If you go to the Azeron software section the replacement firmware is labeled as "Simple firmware for XIM [W11ces]". I know it is a replacement firmware for the Azeron so XIM users get some unlisted benefit. I know what a teensy is. I have 2 for my DIY analog mods on my Orbweaver.

I didn't really get an answer for my questions. You said there are no options when using W11ces firmware.
Are there any useful options from the Azeron Firmware/Software that Xim Manager can't provide? Even if connected via transfer cable from PC?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 01:59 AM - 06/16/19
Azeron can adjust the inner and outer deadzones, along with the angle of the analog stick (and some other stuff I've not bothered to use).

It's stored on-board and doesn't require a PC connection. No, there's no value in connecting to an Azeron via XIM Link. And yes, the XIM can take advantage of the settings store on-board the Azeron.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Abdulrahman on 04:04 AM - 06/16/19
The 5-way switch means a 4-way d-pad that's also a clickable button.

You don't need to use the software at all, unless the default analog stick directions feel off. I use the W11cE firmware instead (available on the Azeron downloads page). W11cE's version has no options, but works 100% fine.

Yes i want something easy too like W11cE firmware but im afraid that Manual setup or new firmware is better and give more performance what you think ? Still didnt get mine to test btw  :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 06:06 AM - 06/16/19
Azeron firmware offers more features, but not better performance. All the device needs to do is register movement and button presses.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Abdulrahman on 11:15 PM - 06/18/19
How long you guys waited from imants shipped azeron until you got it ?
MIne shipped 7jun and now 19jun tracking says its left riga .
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Carellano84 on 03:20 PM - 06/26/19
Anyone figure out good setting for classic Azeron.  Im having thumbstick issues with every firmware.  Feels like thumbstick gets stuck or delayed response time.  Very annoyed with the software.   Makes me want to go back to my logitech g13 lol
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 04:47 PM - 06/26/19
Try the W11cE firmware from the Azeron downloads page.

Also, I haven't forgotten about the guide Imants. I'm busy preparing for a site relaunch this weekend and will get onto it early next week :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Carellano84 on 05:03 PM - 06/26/19
I tried the w11ce firmware and it does the same thing.  Feels like it stutters or freezes when strafing.   Gonna try to mess with it a little more if not it's going up for sale lol.  Great quality just @#$% software
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 05:34 PM - 06/26/19
How old is the Azeron? You can get a replacement analog stick on more recent versions. The stick in the Compact and newer originals is excellent, so you may have a faulty stick.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 11:26 PM - 06/26/19
I tried the w11ce firmware and it does the same thing.  Feels like it stutters or freezes when strafing.   Gonna try to mess with it a little more if not it's going up for sale lol.  Great quality just @#$% software
First, it is doing same thing when connected to PC or just on XIM?
Second, have You play around with deadzone settings (Upper deadzone is good from 250-350)
Third, If that is a bad stick, You can send keypad back and I will fix that or I could send You a replacement stick.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Carellano84 on 04:40 PM - 06/27/19
Members from azeron group on Facebook posted some of their settings and it  helped out greatly.  Its smooth now.  Now I just gotta find a way to make the palm rest not be so slippery.   Settings that worked for me are. Angle 30 - deadzones 30-250 and sensitivity 15.  These settings were on firmware V28.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 05:10 PM - 06/27/19
By slippery do you mean the whole device moves around on the desk? Try some Blu-Tac on the bottom to hold it in place.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Carellano84 on 10:29 PM - 06/27/19
The palmrest is just hard smooth plastic and it feels like my hand slides around a bit.  Thinking of coating with some sort of rubbery compound.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 11:52 PM - 06/27/19
The palmrest is just hard smooth plastic and it feels like my hand slides around a bit.  Thinking of coating with some sort of rubbery compound.
I did use Plasti Dip Rubber Coating Spray (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Plasti-Dip-Multi-Purpose-Rubber-Coating/dp/B0006SU3QW) it had really good feeling but it did tear off after some time, but if You a ready to reapply it, You can give a shot.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ceebs on 02:09 AM - 06/28/19
I'm selling my Azeron (red, compact). If anyone's interested, PM me.

P.S. The Azeron is a quality piece of kit, I just can't get used to moving with my thumb! :)
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 07:20 AM - 06/28/19
The palmrest is just hard smooth plastic and it feels like my hand slides around a bit.  Thinking of coating with some sort of rubbery compound.

If you are going to be coating it with something, you could maybe try giving the rest a light rub with a coarse abrasive paper before you try. It might make it feel less slippy ... but if it doesn't help, it will still make whatever you are going to coat it with adhere better, so there's no harm in trying.

I raised the height of my palm rest by using mouldable plastic pellets, and when it was set I gave it a rub with abrasive paper to take the sheen off it and my hand never moves. Have to do it lightly so you don't heat up the plastic or it gets gooey.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: tsdbhg on 05:23 PM - 06/28/19
The palmrest is just hard smooth plastic and it feels like my hand slides around a bit.  Thinking of coating with some sort of rubbery compound.
I did use Plasti Dip Rubber Coating Spray (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Plasti-Dip-Multi-Purpose-Rubber-Coating/dp/B0006SU3QW) it had really good feeling but it did tear off after some time, but if You a ready to reapply it, You can give a shot.

Maybe a primer coat will help it last and stay on longer
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: burnttoast on 02:33 PM - 07/02/19
I'm selling my Azeron (red, compact). If anyone's interested, PM me.

P.S. The Azeron is a quality piece of kit, I just can't get used to moving with my thumb! :)

I sent you a DM
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: link575 on 06:24 PM - 07/02/19
Hey guys, I'm having a bit of trouble with my Azeron. I switched to the XIM firmware to try it out and when I realized I didn't like the angle of the stick I tried to switch back. Now I'm having problems with the software recognizing the keypad and all the profiles in the software are blank. Any ideas?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 06:26 PM - 07/02/19
I originally swapped to the W11cE firmware because my profiles were nuked by the Azeron. I'm not sure how to reset the FW to factory default, but there's likely a simple process. I'm fine with it as is, so haven't bothered.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: link575 on 06:29 PM - 07/02/19
Hm, alright I guess I'll live with the W11cE firmware for now. It's not bad i just wanted to tweak the analog stick angle just a tiny bit.

Edit: In case others have this problem I fixed it by going back to an earlier FW and then allowing the most current software update the Azeron rather than trying to flash the newest FW manually.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: d1sable on 12:47 AM - 07/03/19
Picked this up to give it a go.

First the software profiles were blank and i had an endless refresh wheel  when trying to configure then when Azeron sent me latest patch (v30 i think) it seems to work now but i can't be sure.

Only reason i got this was for the analogue stick to work better with AA.

I went to the analogue stick options left as default and saved it but im not sure if it is actually in analogue mode on console as when i try to move diagonally it seems to only really go up down left right.

Can anyone advise? Is this how it normally feels? Am i in fact in analogue mode but just need to tweak it?

Thanks.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 02:14 AM - 07/03/19
Check to see if there are two lit LEDs near the logo which indicates joystick mode. Press the button under the LEDs if only one is lit.

Joystick mode should feel just like an analog stick on a console controller with complete freedom of movement. The other mode will feel more like 8-directional digital input.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 03:29 AM - 07/03/19
Picked this up to give it a go.

First the software profiles were blank and i had an endless refresh wheel  when trying to configure then when Azeron sent me latest patch (v30 i think) it seems to work now but i can't be sure.

Only reason i got this was for the analogue stick to work better with AA.

I went to the analogue stick options left as default and saved it but im not sure if it is actually in analogue mode on console as when i try to move diagonally it seems to only really go up down left right.

Can anyone advise? Is this how it normally feels? Am i in fact in analogue mode but just need to tweak it?

Thanks.
There was a 2 firmware's witch one did You use?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: d1sable on 04:18 AM - 07/03/19
Only tried the Xim Firmware so far.

Haven't tried pressing the button for joystick mode (its a compact) so maybe thats it? I thought those 2 red buttons were for profile switches.

Ill try again tonight (in around 8 hours time) and report back. Thanks again for the help so far.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 05:42 AM - 07/03/19
Only tried the Xim Firmware so far.

Haven't tried pressing the button for joystick mode (its a compact) so maybe thats it? I thought those 2 red buttons were for profile switches.

Ill try again tonight (in around 8 hours time) and report back. Thanks again for the help so far.
In case You can try out previous version firmware like v24  You can download it in our page.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Rain1dog on 04:43 PM - 07/05/19
I was just looking to buy a logitech g13 but saw this instead and it looks amazing.  Unfortunately for me but fortunately for you gals/guys you are so back logged you all have stopped taking orders...? Any idea when you all might start back up?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: d1sable on 07:04 AM - 07/06/19
Only tried the Xim Firmware so far.

Haven't tried pressing the button for joystick mode (its a compact) so maybe thats it? I thought those 2 red buttons were for profile switches.

Ill try again tonight (in around 8 hours time) and report back. Thanks again for the help so far.
In case You can try out previous version firmware like v24  You can download it in our page.

Ok I've had some more time to look at this, i still don't know for sure if its in analogue mode but perhaps u guys could help. If i push fwd on the stick just a little it does move forward and walking pace so i assume that must mean its on analogue mode as digital it would be 100% or nothing right?

Im using the xim firmware

Can anyone give me some deadzone / sensitivity settings for the stick to try as it still feels like diagonals are not working properly. Can notice it very much on apex legends or blops 4 game menus.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: link575 on 09:51 AM - 07/06/19


Ok I've had some more time to look at this, i still don't know for sure if its in analogue mode but perhaps u guys could help. If i push fwd on the stick just a little it does move forward and walking pace so i assume that must mean its on analogue mode as digital it would be 100% or nothing right?

Im using the xim firmware

Can anyone give me some deadzone / sensitivity settings for the stick to try as it still feels like diagonals are not working properly. Can notice it very much on apex legends or blops 4 game menus.

I might be wrong as I've just started using one too but I believe you can't configure things in the W11cE firmware, you would need to go back to the stack Azeron fw. I saw you were having problems with blank profiles, I had that too. What I did was completely delete the Azeron software and installed the older 6.3 software which gave me back my profiles. I then installed the 9.3 on top of that. For the Azeron fw I installed the older v24 and then the 9.3 software prompted me to update the fw to 28 which it did for me. After that everything was fixed. I hope that made sense.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 12:01 PM - 07/06/19


Ok I've had some more time to look at this, i still don't know for sure if its in analogue mode but perhaps u guys could help. If i push fwd on the stick just a little it does move forward and walking pace so i assume that must mean its on analogue mode as digital it would be 100% or nothing right?

Im using the xim firmware

Can anyone give me some deadzone / sensitivity settings for the stick to try as it still feels like diagonals are not working properly. Can notice it very much on apex legends or blops 4 game menus.

I might be wrong as I've just started using one too but I believe you can't configure things in the W11cE firmware, you would need to go back to the stack Azeron fw. I saw you were having problems with blank profiles, I had that too. What I did was completely delete the Azeron software and installed the older 6.3 software which gave me back my profiles. I then installed the 9.3 on top of that. For the Azeron fw I installed the older v24 and then the 9.3 software prompted me to update the fw to 28 which it did for me. After that everything was fixed. I hope that made sense.
I did send to him a next firmware/software version, and we did build in our own XIM firmware (You can switch from Normal to XIM firmware into software), so there is just joystick mode and we did keep possibility to adjust angle, dadzone and sensitivity.
Settings, deadzone 30 and 250 and sensitivity 3-5. Angle is Your personal preference.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: link575 on 12:22 PM - 07/06/19
Oh interesting, any idea when the new software will go on the site?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Rain1dog on 12:23 PM - 07/06/19
Any idea when they will be back kn stock?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: burnttoast on 09:20 AM - 07/09/19
Only tried the Xim Firmware so far.

Haven't tried pressing the button for joystick mode (its a compact) so maybe thats it? I thought those 2 red buttons were for profile switches.

Ill try again tonight (in around 8 hours time) and report back. Thanks again for the help so far.
In case You can try out previous version firmware like v24  You can download it in our page.

Ok I've had some more time to look at this, i still don't know for sure if its in analogue mode but perhaps u guys could help. If i push fwd on the stick just a little it does move forward and walking pace so i assume that must mean its on analogue mode as digital it would be 100% or nothing right?

Im using the xim firmware

Can anyone give me some deadzone / sensitivity settings for the stick to try as it still feels like diagonals are not working properly. Can notice it very much on apex legends or blops 4 game menus.

Theres quite an easy way to tell, when you map the buttons in apex manager are they showing as K1 K2 K3 etc. or J1 J2 J3 etc. ?

I play in keyboard mode with the joystick set to analog - just feels better for some reason
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: d1sable on 01:16 PM - 07/09/19
Only tried the Xim Firmware so far.

Haven't tried pressing the button for joystick mode (its a compact) so maybe thats it? I thought those 2 red buttons were for profile switches.

Ill try again tonight (in around 8 hours time) and report back. Thanks again for the help so far.
In case You can try out previous version firmware like v24  You can download it in our page.

Ok I've had some more time to look at this, i still don't know for sure if its in analogue mode but perhaps u guys could help. If i push fwd on the stick just a little it does move forward and walking pace so i assume that must mean its on analogue mode as digital it would be 100% or nothing right?

Im using the xim firmware

Can anyone give me some deadzone / sensitivity settings for the stick to try as it still feels like diagonals are not working properly. Can notice it very much on apex legends or blops 4 game menus.

Theres quite an easy way to tell, when you map the buttons in apex manager are they showing as K1 K2 K3 etc. or J1 J2 J3 etc. ?

I play in keyboard mode with the joystick set to analog - just feels better for some reason

Ah interesting it shows J1 2 3 etc when i press the keys so does that mean its in Analogue mode?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: burnttoast on 01:38 PM - 07/09/19
Only tried the Xim Firmware so far.

Haven't tried pressing the button for joystick mode (its a compact) so maybe thats it? I thought those 2 red buttons were for profile switches.

Ill try again tonight (in around 8 hours time) and report back. Thanks again for the help so far.
In case You can try out previous version firmware like v24  You can download it in our page.

Ok I've had some more time to look at this, i still don't know for sure if its in analogue mode but perhaps u guys could help. If i push fwd on the stick just a little it does move forward and walking pace so i assume that must mean its on analogue mode as digital it would be 100% or nothing right?

Im using the xim firmware

Can anyone give me some deadzone / sensitivity settings for the stick to try as it still feels like diagonals are not working properly. Can notice it very much on apex legends or blops 4 game menus.

Theres quite an easy way to tell, when you map the buttons in apex manager are they showing as K1 K2 K3 etc. or J1 J2 J3 etc. ?

I play in keyboard mode with the joystick set to analog - just feels better for some reason

Ah interesting it shows J1 2 3 etc when i press the keys so does that mean its in Analogue mode?

I had all the same issues when I first got mine, I will post my exact set up with deadzones, angle and sens when i get home
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: d1sable on 02:44 PM - 07/09/19
Only tried the Xim Firmware so far.

Haven't tried pressing the button for joystick mode (its a compact) so maybe thats it? I thought those 2 red buttons were for profile switches.

Ill try again tonight (in around 8 hours time) and report back. Thanks again for the help so far.
In case You can try out previous version firmware like v24  You can download it in our page.

Ok I've had some more time to look at this, i still don't know for sure if its in analogue mode but perhaps u guys could help. If i push fwd on the stick just a little it does move forward and walking pace so i assume that must mean its on analogue mode as digital it would be 100% or nothing right?

Im using the xim firmware

Can anyone give me some deadzone / sensitivity settings for the stick to try as it still feels like diagonals are not working properly. Can notice it very much on apex legends or blops 4 game menus.

Theres quite an easy way to tell, when you map the buttons in apex manager are they showing as K1 K2 K3 etc. or J1 J2 J3 etc. ?

I play in keyboard mode with the joystick set to analog - just feels better for some reason

Ah interesting it shows J1 2 3 etc when i press the keys so does that mean its in Analogue mode?

I had all the same issues when I first got mine, I will post my exact set up with deadzones, angle and sens when i get home


That would be awesome, thx
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: burnttoast on 06:06 PM - 07/09/19
-3 Angle

0-280 Dead zone

3 sens
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ColdMan on 02:58 PM - 07/23/19
You guys should definitely check out new alpha v0.14.4 with optimized XIM fw38 and then calibrate deadzones with the new calibration tool. Its incredible how it feels now. Also put sens between 3 and 5. Angle is personal and i have it at 30.

Way better than official and previous fw, congrats to Azeron for implementing a custom fw for Xim users with all the features. Calibration tool also helps a lot.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 08:59 PM - 07/23/19
Thanks for the heads up ColdMan, I'll check it out asap!
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 05:20 AM - 07/24/19
 Agree, the new Xim firmware is working really well ... remember to set "Analog type to circle".
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ColdMan on 10:58 AM - 07/24/19
Agree, the new Xim firmware is working really well ... remember to set "Analog type to circle".

What is analog type to circle?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 11:29 AM - 07/24/19
When I installed the firmware I got a message from Imants telling me to do that when setting it up.From what I remember there was a choice of square deadzone or circle, and I ticked the circle one before callibration.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ColdMan on 12:01 PM - 07/24/19
When I installed the firmware I got a message from Imants telling me to do that when setting it up.From what I remember there was a choice of square deadzone or circle, and I ticked the circle one before callibration.

I reseted the Azeron and flashed xim fw 38 using teensy and didnt see this msg. How did you updated it, which version?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Au1d Yin on 01:39 PM - 07/24/19
I used software version 0.14.0 and firmware xim-34 which was sent to me as I had a small problem with my Azeron. Looked on the Azeron site just now and I noticed that there is a more recent version of both now.
It was maybe something that has been simplified and now omits that choice of square or circle?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ColdMan on 02:04 PM - 07/24/19
I used software version 0.14.0 and firmware xim-34 which was sent to me as I had a small problem with my Azeron. Looked on the Azeron site just now and I noticed that there is a more recent version of both now.
It was maybe something that has been simplified and now omits that choice of square or circle?

I think so, yes

Version from the website v0.14.4 doesnt prompt you anything like that. Xim optimized works very well after calibration.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: sncjez on 06:26 AM - 07/27/19
You guys should definitely check out new alpha v0.14.4 with optimized XIM fw38 and then calibrate deadzones with the new calibration tool. Its incredible how it feels now. Also put sens between 3 and 5. Angle is personal and i have it at 30.

Way better than official and previous fw, congrats to Azeron for implementing a custom fw for Xim users with all the features. Calibration tool also helps a lot.

Thanks for the info, received my flat rest compact this week just updated to the above looking forward to a bit of gaming later.

The flat rest already feels so much more comfortable for me.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: ColdMan on 08:03 AM - 07/27/19
I found the new calibration system could not be the best for our Xim.

I returned to 30 - 250 deadzone values and sens 3

For games like COD and Battlefield works very well.


Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Priesty10 on 12:05 PM - 08/04/19
Iíve had a few buttons give up on me recently but imants sent me some switches, if you know what to do itís easy to fix. Just need a soldering iron and a glue gun and youíre good to go
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: tsdbhg on 04:55 PM - 08/04/19
Agree, the new Xim firmware is working really well ... remember to set "Analog type to circle".

I just looked for this option on the new firmware v38 with app v0.14.4

There is not an option to set "Analog Type to circle".

There are only 2 options. "Analog Joystick" & "Keyboard".
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Redrabbit5 on 02:39 AM - 08/07/19
How does it feel this keyboard ?

Someone know if they really restock in September ?

Thanks .
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: JT Jenkins on 09:23 AM - 08/08/19
This is great news from the Azeron site! Best of luck to Imants on scaling his business from the living room to a real production line.  8)

---------------------------------------------------------

Hey guys & gals!

A lot of you have been asking when will the Azeron Keypad be available again and we understand that we can be a bit vague with our answers sometimes, so I wanted to give you all little update. Azeron is a very small team 3D printing and assembling Azeron Keypad at home. Literally every keypad shipped out is handmade in Imants (Azeron) living room. There is no huge Chinese factory behind us manufacturing thousands of units a day and we would like to keep it this way, so that we can keep improving our product thanks to numerous recommendations you send to us every day. We also understand that due to the growing demand itís impossible to continue production in Imants (Azeron) living room, so we are in the final phase of opening our own production line in our hometown with our very first assembly employees starting their first shift later this month.

The next wave of pre-orders in limited supply will be available in September on first come-first serve basis. This will also apply to shipping Ė orders will be shipped out in the same order as we receive them. We will inform you here on our website, FB page and on Discord 2 weeks before the next pre-order wave. Itís been a long journey Ė Imants started to work on Azeron Keypad back in 2012 so on behalf of Azeron team I would like to kindly ask you to please bear with us just a little longer. Thank you for your great support and understanding
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: pigglywiggly on 11:41 AM - 08/11/19
Anyone have one for sale? Iíd love to get my hands on one! 

Also, Azeron, will you still help with warranty issues like broken switches, etc if I buy one from someone else?
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Kuzzad on 09:11 PM - 08/11/19
Anyone have good analog settings for fortnite ? I canít get anything to feel right within the inventory when trying to navigate my weapons it just bounces everywhere any help suggestions would be appreciated
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 10:26 AM - 08/13/19
Anyone have one for sale? Iíd love to get my hands on one! 

Also, Azeron, will you still help with warranty issues like broken switches, etc if I buy one from someone else?
Yes, we still will fix it.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Kuzzad on 05:05 PM - 08/14/19
If anyone is interested I would like to sell my azeron compact I canít get the joystick to perform how I would like it to Iíve used it probably an hour total will sell for $100 usd + shipping everything works like itís brand new
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: antithesis on 07:09 PM - 08/14/19
If anyone is interested I would like to sell my azeron compact I canít get the joystick to perform how I would like it to Iíve used it probably an hour total will sell for $100 usd + shipping everything works like itís brand new
Are you using analog mode? All bindings in XIM Manager will appear as joystick buttons (J prefix).

Have you also tried the W11cE firmware for Azeron? It has no configuration options, but the default joystick settings work fine for me.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: d1sable on 03:42 AM - 08/15/19
Also selling my compact.

Works perfectly i just can't get used to analogue

I'm in the UK - £50 then whatever postage is

Dm me cheers
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Redrabbit5 on 08:49 AM - 08/15/19
Also selling my compact.

Works perfectly i just can't get used to analogue

I'm in the UK - £50 then whatever postage is

Dm me cheers

Check your inbox
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Azeron on 01:15 AM - 08/16/19
I getting asked more about one thing, can You use Azeron in keyboard mode on PS4 and Xbox One without using a XIM. I would be very appreciate if anyone could est that. Thank You
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Call_Me_Shini on 01:21 AM - 08/16/19
Also selling my compact.

Works perfectly i just can't get used to analogue

I'm in the UK - £50 then whatever postage is

Dm me cheers

Dmíd you dude.
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: d1sable on 03:49 AM - 08/16/19
Already sold guys, sorry
Title: Re: The Azeron - XIM out of the box
Post by: Emanuel Diniz on 04:39 PM - 09/12/19
News ? I want to buy !!!  ;D ;D ;D Anyone have one?