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Title: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: LolPop on 10:35 AM - 10/19/18
This game is completely illogical, un-balanced and boring.

They took away jet packs but what did they do instead ? Make the specialists twice as OP and annoying.
They brought back some maps, most of which do not play good in this game because of all the specialist stupidity all over the place and unlimited sprint. Even the big maps are too chaotic.

That's because of the way they are made. They have open, long range, spawn points for both team and then right in the middle of the map it is a close range cluster-****.

Doesn't matter how good you are, if you have 2 or 3 bad teamates and you don't play like a COMPLETE COWARD you are getting STOMPED.

Once again they took away jetpacks and decided to change another thing for the worse, increasing the health and making it manual. Many of my deaths in this game were when healing myself after reloading my LMG which already took too much time and healing just made it worse.

No flow, terrible map design, ABSOLUTELY boring guns. I've never been so bored with the weapons in a Call of Duty. Idk what it is, all the guns and everything in this game fealt generic.

Killstreaks also VERY boring and useless.

The only 2 other Cods that I quit in the first few days were WW2 and IW. They both, just like BO4 had this generic feeling and didn't feel like Call of Duty. Black ops 4 IS NOT a Call of Duty game at all.

Uninstalled the game after day 1 or 2, re-downloaded, played for another day, day and a half and by level 55 I was just done. There is nothing this game can do to make me want to play it. I know the most OP gun in the game which gets very boring to use every match and that's about it.

Everything I say is an absolute fact. I've played every Call of Duty since CoD4, I could even play Advanced Warfare for 6 months or so. The game itself with those jetpacks was very annoying but it did have some interesting combos and stuff you could do and not get tired of too quickly.

People supporting Black ops 4 are brainless Treyarch fanboys

Call of Duty = DEAD
Maybe Infinite Warfare will revive it with MW4 but I'm fairly certain they will screw it up as well. Gaming and online gaming in 2018 is terrible and has been since 2013 I believe. There've only been 2 or 3 games in the past 5 years that were actually good, everything else is trash, generic garbage.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: RML on 11:10 AM - 10/19/18
I would agree with you except for two things Blackout and Zombies. All other game modes are garbage. But thatís just COD period! Havenít enjoyed multiplayer sinc BO3.

Luckily for us BR fans, Blackout is pretty much everything we wanted and more from Pubg.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Santigold on 11:58 AM - 10/19/18
Well, everything stated in the first post is absolutely correct. And me being a fps/cod vet, I figured out the same stuff after 1-2 days already and havent played since.

The game is just a boring, dull, monotonous, repetitive piece of dog excrements. Designed without any sort of skill gap and any form of strategic elements. Designed for total imbeciles and ppl who have an intellect of an orangutan. If you can peel a banana, you can play BO4 and get a few kills in the process.. because of all the gadgets and gimmicks and OP garbage thats in the game and gives ppl free kills by design.

Granted, COD has allways been about point & shoot and very little tactical aspects. But this one is dumbed down and watered down so much, I wonder if they literally used monkeys from a zoo for playtesting the Alpha version.

If you look at previous CODs like COD Ghosts, BO1, BO2, MW2 etc.- those were more military-style CODs. BO4 is a pillow-fight-party COD and Watergun-party COD. During the design process seeing all the insane success that Fortnite was getting, the developers must have had their main target of 7-8 years old squeekers in mind. There is no other rational explanation to me, looking at how this trash turned out.

It is possible that Blackout and Zombies dont suck as badly, but Im not a fan of those and cant really comment on those modes.

But the normal MP in BO4... its a complete waste of free time, because it is some absolutely nonsensical and trivial activity. I think sitting in a room in Blackout for 5 mins and not moving, waiting untill the circle shrinks again- its a better spent time than actually playing normal multiplayer for 5 minutes.

You could go to a river and watch water flow down the river for 2 hours straight and the time would be better spent doing that, rather than actually playing BO4 multiplayer for 2 hours.

I couldnt even say the same about WW2 or Infinite Warfare and those games werent exactly good to begin with.

Another thing too- the sheetier a players connection is, the bigger advantage he gets over every other player in the game. Just another BS that makes this cod completely irrelevant. Playing this game is the same as not playing anything at all, thats how much you get out of it. Theres no skill involed, theres no strategy, no thinking involved. You just position yourself behind one of 14 million headglitches, zoom in your weapon and press 1 button whenever you see someone on your screen..

You might as well go put a Puzzle picture together consisting of 20 thousand pieces, it would be a 10x better activity.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Phil Ashio on 12:19 PM - 10/19/18
Another year, another whiny post. Keep the tradition alive you two.

Personally, I think it's great. As good as Advanced Warfare was, as good as Infinite Warfare was, as good as Black Ops 3 was, definitely better than Ghosts and WW2. Possibly even better than Black Ops 2 was which I found oddly dull coming back to it recently.

It's COD and COD is inherently great barring the netcode. You either enjoy it or you enjoy whining about, it bring happiness to all the boys and girls.

See you next year.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: LolPop on 12:33 PM - 10/19/18
I uninstalled this time for good so you probably wont hear my whiny posts again.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Phil Ashio on 12:42 PM - 10/19/18
 :'(
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: mikael on 12:43 PM - 10/19/18
I know what you guys are complaining about and I understand , the skill gap has gone to @#$% completely but that didnít happen all of a sudded , it has been happening with all cods since after bo1 . Sad part is , Iím still going to play it because itís still better than the other garbage out there. Game makers are obviously going for massive sales therefore they need to attract more children so they make they games require pretty much 0 skill. Money money money. More more more money
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: singlecoilpickup on 01:04 PM - 10/19/18
Best COD ever. Hands down. Easy.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: ceebs on 01:06 PM - 10/19/18
This game is completely illogical, un-balanced and boring.

They took away jet packs but what did they do instead ? Make the specialists twice as OP and annoying.
They brought back some maps, most of which do not play good in this game because of all the specialist stupidity all over the place and unlimited sprint. Even the big maps are too chaotic.

That's because of the way they are made. They have open, long range, spawn points for both team and then right in the middle of the map it is a close range cluster-****.

Doesn't matter how good you are, if you have 2 or 3 bad teamates and you don't play like a COMPLETE COWARD you are getting STOMPED.

Once again they took away jetpacks and decided to change another thing for the worse, increasing the health and making it manual. Many of my deaths in this game were when healing myself after reloading my LMG which already took too much time and healing just made it worse.

No flow, terrible map design, ABSOLUTELY boring guns. I've never been so bored with the weapons in a Call of Duty. Idk what it is, all the guns and everything in this game fealt generic.

Killstreaks also VERY boring and useless.

The only 2 other Cods that I quit in the first few days were WW2 and IW. They both, just like BO4 had this generic feeling and didn't feel like Call of Duty. Black ops 4 IS NOT a Call of Duty game at all.

Uninstalled the game after day 1 or 2, re-downloaded, played for another day, day and a half and by level 55 I was just done. There is nothing this game can do to make me want to play it. I know the most OP gun in the game which gets very boring to use every match and that's about it.

Everything I say is an absolute fact. I've played every Call of Duty since CoD4, I could even play Advanced Warfare for 6 months or so. The game itself with those jetpacks was very annoying but it did have some interesting combos and stuff you could do and not get tired of too quickly.

People supporting Black ops 4 are brainless Treyarch fanboys

Call of Duty = DEAD
Maybe Infinite Warfare will revive it with MW4 but I'm fairly certain they will screw it up as well. Gaming and online gaming in 2018 is terrible and has been since 2013 I believe. There've only been 2 or 3 games in the past 5 years that were actually good, everything else is trash, generic garbage.

Iím sorry for your loss.  ;)
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Beezles on 01:12 PM - 10/19/18
Best COD ever. Hands down. Easy.

Truth +1
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Beezles on 01:12 PM - 10/19/18
This game is completely illogical, un-balanced and boring.

They took away jet packs but what did they do instead ? Make the specialists twice as OP and annoying.
They brought back some maps, most of which do not play good in this game because of all the specialist stupidity all over the place and unlimited sprint. Even the big maps are too chaotic.

That's because of the way they are made. They have open, long range, spawn points for both team and then right in the middle of the map it is a close range cluster-****.

Doesn't matter how good you are, if you have 2 or 3 bad teamates and you don't play like a COMPLETE COWARD you are getting STOMPED.

Once again they took away jetpacks and decided to change another thing for the worse, increasing the health and making it manual. Many of my deaths in this game were when healing myself after reloading my LMG which already took too much time and healing just made it worse.

No flow, terrible map design, ABSOLUTELY boring guns. I've never been so bored with the weapons in a Call of Duty. Idk what it is, all the guns and everything in this game fealt generic.

Killstreaks also VERY boring and useless.

The only 2 other Cods that I quit in the first few days were WW2 and IW. They both, just like BO4 had this generic feeling and didn't feel like Call of Duty. Black ops 4 IS NOT a Call of Duty game at all.

Uninstalled the game after day 1 or 2, re-downloaded, played for another day, day and a half and by level 55 I was just done. There is nothing this game can do to make me want to play it. I know the most OP gun in the game which gets very boring to use every match and that's about it.

Everything I say is an absolute fact. I've played every Call of Duty since CoD4, I could even play Advanced Warfare for 6 months or so. The game itself with those jetpacks was very annoying but it did have some interesting combos and stuff you could do and not get tired of too quickly.

People supporting Black ops 4 are brainless Treyarch fanboys

Call of Duty = DEAD
Maybe Infinite Warfare will revive it with MW4 but I'm fairly certain they will screw it up as well. Gaming and online gaming in 2018 is terrible and has been since 2013 I believe. There've only been 2 or 3 games in the past 5 years that were actually good, everything else is trash, generic garbage.

"F"
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: colb on 01:16 PM - 10/19/18
Sounds like a couple of people need to get good.

"Oh no! It's not the same COD formula as every other year! I actually have to have consistent aim and strategy!"
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: asilver on 01:35 PM - 10/19/18
@santi - man you have to stop giving them these ideas, like monkeys from the zoo. They have the resources to make that @#$% happen.

But for real itís a simple game made for casual gamers, same @#$% every year. It wears out quick and I donít think itís any better or worse than the last six titles.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: antithesis on 03:06 PM - 10/19/18
So...because BO4 MP is not a shooting gallery, it's complete trash?

I never liked CoD MP precisely because it was mind-numbingly dull to run around shooting at opponents with the defensive capacity of a paper cut-out. Shoot'em in the toe...dead. Get shot it the finger...dead. Skillful aim meant nothing, except for sh!ts and giggles. Fast reactions meant nothing due to lag compensation, so it didn't matter if you were more skillful, you got punished for having a better internet connection. Every engagement was a lottery.

Please explain the part about how BO4 is the more casual title with manual healing and higher TTK? You can't just ape around and your KD's no longer 5+ so the game sucks, did I get that right? Blackout's a more hardcore mode than anything CoD has done before, that's definitely not targeted at casuals.

The only other CoD game this generation (I haven't played WWII yet) that I found remotely enjoyable is BO3. CoD has traditionally been little more than a twitch shooter where the first guy to pull the trigger wins. Level up your gear and the power gap increased substantially for vets over noobs. At least in BO4, the noobs have a fighting chance to bag some kills with a decent weapon right out of the gate.

Every criticism thrown at BO4 can be applied to earlier titles. Bad spawns, poor netcode, casual gameplay, unbalanced weapons, OP killstreaks, poor map design, strong AA...we hear it every year! I get that AA is strong, but it's been strong in every console CoD, so I don't consider it a factor given everyone can use and abuse it. Don't like it? Turn it off and make the game less casual.

The gaming industry is progressive - if you want the same dull crap year after year, CoD has been the go-to franchise for a decade. That's manifested in both declining sales and franchise fatigue, which is exactly what you're describing.

At least this year Treyarch has tried something new in Blackout, along with mixing up the game mechanics in MP. That has attracted a whole new audience to the franchise that otherwise wouldn't have touched the game, myself included. But it comes at the cost of alienating core fans. They're tired of the same thing year-in, year-out, so you can't have it both ways.

You knew what you were getting yourselves into with BO4, you played the beta. Without the changes to core CoD gameplay, BO4 would be another generic brown shooter in a long chain of generic brown shooters that fanboys just can't help but buy, then complain endlessly about. If you don't like the games, why do you keep spending your money on them?
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: smallstonefan on 03:59 PM - 10/19/18
All I know is I've tried every COD for the last 8+ years (since my son started playing) and never enjoyed it.

I'm having an absolute bast playing MP with BO4. I've got my Xim dialed in and I've never been this competitive on Xbox.

So for me, it's a solid win.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: mikael on 05:18 PM - 10/19/18
It is what it is boys , take it or leave it
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: LolPop on 08:30 PM - 10/19/18
Oh another reason why Call of Duty is failing and Treyarch is out of touch - THE EXISTANCE OF BLACKOUT.

Just the fact that they had to make this gamemode shows that they know the Multiplayer is terrible.

If the multiplayer was on the same level as MW2, MW3 etc. , they could have easiely released the game with JUST multiplayer and zombies, give free maps on monthly basis to all ppl who purchased and fill the game up with microtransactions such as outfits, voices, camos, things that make the guns look and sound different etc.

Why do all these companies think that in order to beat Fortnite they have to copy it ? Battle royale is a joke, but a PvP like the one talked above would defiantly have a chance of competing with Fortnite.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: colb on 08:45 PM - 10/19/18
Oh another reason why Call of Duty is failing and Treyarch is out of touch - THE EXISTANCE OF BLACKOUT.

Just the fact that they had to make this gamemode shows that they know the Multiplayer is terrible.

If the multiplayer was on the same level as MW2, MW3 etc. , they could have easiely released the game with JUST multiplayer and zombies, give free maps on monthly basis to all ppl who purchased and fill the game up with microtransactions such as outfits, voices, camos, things that make the guns look and sound different etc.

Why do all these companies think that in order to beat Fortnite they have to copy it ? Battle royale is a joke, but a PvP like the one talked above would defiantly have a chance of competing with Fortnite.

Exactly. They should only have MP. Not even zombies. Just MP with only 1 game mode: Domination. We can spawn trap people all night. That's how COD was meant to be played. They are out of touch, and the millions of people who play Blackout are just paid shills.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: antithesis on 09:25 PM - 10/19/18
Exactly. They should only have MP. Not even zombies. Just MP with only 1 game mode: Domination. We can spawn trap people all night. That's how COD was meant to be played. They are out of touch, and the millions of people who play Blackout are just paid shills.
Also, no strafing. And enemies that can't shoot bullets.

Click the button that looks like a slider in MP, then Add Bots. Recruit bots. Perfect. Old school CoD, the way it was meant to be played.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Phil Ashio on 09:49 PM - 10/19/18
As soon as I made this post they released a hotfix that ruined it.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: GamingNerd on 03:47 AM - 10/20/18
Xim made me a God at Infinite Warfare, and now it's doing the same thing on Black Ops 4. Stop crying and get better at COD.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: CAL50vengeance on 04:15 AM - 10/20/18
So...because BO4 MP is not a shooting gallery, it's complete trash?

I never liked CoD MP precisely because it was mind-numbingly dull to run around shooting at opponents with the defensive capacity of a paper cut-out. Shoot'em in the toe...dead. Get shot it the finger...dead. Skillful aim meant nothing, except for sh!ts and giggles. Fast reactions meant nothing due to lag compensation, so it didn't matter if you were more skillful, you got punished for having a better internet connection. Every engagement was a lottery.

Please explain the part about how BO4 is the more casual title with manual healing and higher TTK? You can't just ape around and your KD's no longer 5+ so the game sucks, did I get that right? Blackout's a more hardcore mode than anything CoD has done before, that's definitely not targeted at casuals.

The only other CoD game this generation (I haven't played WWII yet) that I found remotely enjoyable is BO3. CoD has traditionally been little more than a twitch shooter where the first guy to pull the trigger wins. Level up your gear and the power gap increased substantially for vets over noobs. At least in BO4, the noobs have a fighting chance to bag some kills with a decent weapon right out of the gate.

Every criticism thrown at BO4 can be applied to earlier titles. Bad spawns, poor netcode, casual gameplay, unbalanced weapons, OP killstreaks, poor map design, strong AA...we hear it every year! I get that AA is strong, but it's been strong in every console CoD, so I don't consider it a factor given everyone can use and abuse it. Don't like it? Turn it off and make the game less casual.

The gaming industry is progressive - if you want the same dull crap year after year, CoD has been the go-to franchise for a decade. That's manifested in both declining sales and franchise fatigue, which is exactly what you're describing.

At least this year Treyarch has tried something new in Blackout, along with mixing up the game mechanics in MP. That has attracted a whole new audience to the franchise that otherwise wouldn't have touched the game, myself included. But it comes at the cost of alienating core fans. They're tired of the same thing year-in, year-out, so you can't have it both ways.

You knew what you were getting yourselves into with BO4, you played the beta. Without the changes to core CoD gameplay, BO4 would be another generic brown shooter in a long chain of generic brown shooters that fanboys just can't help but buy, then complain endlessly about. If you don't like the games, why do you keep spending your money on them?

Good post Anti.
 I got to say Majority of the COD post are just hillarious to read, easy to notice who's a grown up (or at least mature) and who isn't quit there yet. Opinions, however, I get that but please leave the salt where it belongs, in the kitchen.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: TheCityWok on 12:11 AM - 10/21/18
Treyarch sucks and is highly overrated. What else is new? Map design has been poo since 2. Spawns have sucked since WaW. COD4 felt like a team game because it had proper team spawning. Treyarch games have always had that poo poo free for all spawns that spawn you in empty locations fukin up the flow of the game.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Jamesbone on 03:52 AM - 10/21/18
It's been confirmed  on YouTube

Bo4 MP and blackout servers are running at 20hz

But both the beta's were running at 60hz

Cool now I know why I played so  well on the beta and now im just trash on the full game with all the @#$% gun fights I get into
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Jamesbone on 03:55 AM - 10/21/18
Xim made me a God at Infinite Warfare, and now it's doing the same thing on Black Ops 4. Stop crying and get better at COD.

Haha yeah mouse on IW felt fully like PC
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Santigold on 05:18 AM - 10/21/18
It's been confirmed  on YouTube

Bo4 MP and blackout servers are running at 20hz

But both the beta's were running at 60hz

Cool now I know why I played so  well on the beta and now im just trash on the full game with all the @#$% gun fights I get into

Its not just because of the poor connection at 20hz. Ppl just also figured out the most cheesy and lame weapons and ways to play. Which is to headglitching in ADS at one of 24 million headglitch spots.

Ppl also figured out the lamest and cheesiest specialists and are now abusing them, like the Shield running guy with the pistol, the overpowered Noobtube launcher, the stationary Shield specialist, Wallhack vision for the whole team and so on.

Again with such small maps and rather fast pace, it doesnt really make sense to move in this game. Unless you move from one power spot to the next, where you can pick off ppl from distance. I mean go play kill confirmed on Firing Range, Jungle, Summit etc. Ppl just sit in power spots that is usually somewhere in the middle of the map and just camp there Aiming Down Sights.

On top of that they introduced the specialist with the tactical respawn location, what a dumb idea that was. You have small maps already, fast pace- which contributes to clusterF-ish spawn already. BUt then on top of that they put a mobile respawn point into a specialist class.. Like how dumb are they tbh.

The ammount of gimmicky BS in this game that kills you is at record level high. I think even IW had less gimmicky trash gadgets and specialists that killed you. Well maybe not IW now that I think about it, but certainly most other CODs in the last years.

This game is designed to be a kill trading game for low skilled players mostly, where everyone gets a few gifted kills from Specialist and Equippment and other BS, so that they dont get frustrated when they get wrecked by more skilled players in previous COD games with higher skill gap. BO3 is in every way better than BO4, the specials were more balanced and everything else basically. And the maps werent complete dog crap, like boring small open maps with 3 lanes. You can tell they didnt have that much time really to make bo4, so they just copy pasted 4 old maps and the rest are some half axxed rushed maps, mostly open area and some few buildings in the middle and around the map, like that Icebreaker map, Contraband, Hacienda etc.

Also fast reflexes and good aim dont really matter that much in this game. See 3arc and activision dont want pubstompers to flank a team of nerds and spray down 4-5 of them at once. Theyd rather give all Timmy Nothumbses a ton of HP and make them like a tank, almost like Juggernaut suit from MW3. So that now the pubstompers cant wipe the whole team of incapable and unskilled noobs with reflexes of a Turtle. On the contrary- Activision now gives every gimp a ton of Aim Assist, so that you dont even have to be good at aiming and still can kill some sick Pubstomper, whod otherwise wipe the floor with all these noobs in previous CODs.

As said before- this is the most dumbed down and simplified/noobified COD, a Sloth could pick up a controller and do well in this game. Its the biggest "participation medal" game ever for unskilled and untalanted and reflex-less gimps, you just get kills and rewards for beeing in the game, even if youre doing nothing or sucking really hard.

I guess thats how you get those morons to play a game and spend money on it these days. You give them participation medals and trophies for doing absolutely nothing, and you stroke their retard-ego by giving them freekills and other rewards.. Absolutely disgusting tbh.

Overwatch and other hero based games at least require skill to do well, although they also have specials in the game. But BO4? Its a disgusting, hideous noob fest pile of Dog Sheet.

 Imean if thats the direction that COD is heading, you can truly forget this franchise for good. If theres no skill gap and learning curve, but only stupid mindless kill trading, with all sorts of gadgets and BS specials- what sense does it make to play it? Its a goony, mindless and almost retarded activity to kill free time, if theres barely any skill gap or learning curve etc.

"Oh hey guys, lets make everyone like Optic Scumpy, where they barely miss a shot with such a buck ton of Aim Assist. And lets also give everyone a stupid gadget and special to get freekills with. That will make all the gimps want to buy the game and spend money... (/retarded Activision manager voice)". Thats how these imbecile Activision managers think these days.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Jamesbone on 06:19 AM - 10/21/18
It's been confirmed  on YouTube

Bo4 MP and blackout servers are running at 20hz

But both the beta's were running at 60hz

Cool now I know why I played so  well on the beta and now im just trash on the full game with all the @#$% gun fights I get into

Its not just because of the poor connection at 20hz. Ppl just also figured out the most cheesy and lame weapons and ways to play. Which is to headglitching in ADS at one of 24 million headglitch spots.

Ppl also figured out the lamest and cheesiest specialists and are now abusing them, like the Shield running guy with the pistol, the overpowered Noobtube launcher, the stationary Shield specialist, Wallhack vision for the whole team and so on.

Again with such small maps and rather fast pace, it doesnt really make sense to move in this game. Unless you move from one power spot to the next, where you can pick off ppl from distance. I mean go play kill confirmed on Firing Range, Jungle, Summit etc. Ppl just sit in power spots that is usually somewhere in the middle of the map and just camp there Aiming Down Sights.

On top of that they introduced the specialist with the tactical respawn location, what a dumb idea that was. You have small maps already, fast pace- which contributes to clusterF-ish spawn already. BUt then on top of that they put a mobile respawn point into a specialist class.. Like how dumb are they tbh.

The ammount of gimmicky BS in this game that kills you is at record level high. I think even IW had less gimmicky trash gadgets and specialists that killed you. Well maybe not IW now that I think about it, but certainly most other CODs in the last years.

This game is designed to be a kill trading game for low skilled players mostly, where everyone gets a few gifted kills from Specialist and Equippment and other BS, so that they dont get frustrated when they get wrecked by more skilled players in previous COD games with higher skill gap. BO3 is in every way better than BO4, the specials were more balanced and everything else basically. And the maps werent complete dog crap, like boring small open maps with 3 lanes. You can tell they didnt have that much time really to make bo4, so they just copy pasted 4 old maps and the rest are some half axxed rushed maps, mostly open area and some few buildings in the middle and around the map, like that Icebreaker map, Contraband, Hacienda etc.

Also fast reflexes and good aim dont really matter that much in this game. See 3arc and activision dont want pubstompers to flank a team of nerds and spray down 4-5 of them at once. Theyd rather give all Timmy Nothumbses a ton of HP and make them like a tank, almost like Juggernaut suit from MW3. So that now the pubstompers cant wipe the whole team of incapable and unskilled noobs with reflexes of a Turtle. On the contrary- Activision now gives every gimp a ton of Aim Assist, so that you dont even have to be good at aiming and still can kill some sick Pubstomper, whod otherwise wipe the floor with all these noobs in previous CODs.

As said before- this is the most dumbed down and simplified/noobified COD, a Sloth could pick up a controller and do well in this game. Its the biggest "participation medal" game ever for unskilled and untalanted and reflex-less gimps, you just get kills and rewards for beeing in the game, even if youre doing nothing or sucking really hard.

I guess thats how you get those morons to play a game and spend money on it these days. You give them participation medals and trophies for doing absolutely nothing, and you stroke their retard-ego by giving them freekills and other rewards.. Absolutely disgusting tbh.

Overwatch and other hero based games at least require skill to do well, although they also have specials in the game. But BO4? Its a disgusting, hideous noob fest pile of Dog Sheet.

 Imean if thats the direction that COD is heading, you can truly forget this franchise for good. If theres no skill gap and learning curve, but only stupid mindless kill trading, with all sorts of gadgets and BS specials- what sense does it make to play it? Its a goony, mindless and almost retarded activity to kill free time, if theres barely any skill gap or learning curve etc.

"Oh hey guys, lets make everyone like Optic Scumpy, where they barely miss a shot with such a buck ton of Aim Assist. And lets also give everyone a stupid gadget and special to get freekills with. That will make all the gimps want to buy the game and spend money... (/retarded Activision manager voice)". Thats how these imbecile Activision managers think these days.

You are so FK'ING right it's not even funny!!

Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: TehSubXero on 07:38 AM - 10/21/18
Everything I say is an absolute fact.
🤔
I understand you now.  Your senseless incoherent diatribes are merely a reflection of your inability to reconcile reality and your delusions of grandeur. 
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: singlecoilpickup on 10:31 AM - 10/21/18
Maybe if Souver spent as much time getting good as he spends ranting about BO4, heíd actually like it better.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Santigold on 11:36 AM - 10/21/18
I mean not only do noobs get sickest ammounts of aim assist, as if this wasnt enough- NO, 3arc also makes hitboxes on player models like effin elefants..

https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackops4/comments/9q422g/20hz_tickrate_isnt_the_only_issue_wtf_are_these/


Hahahahaha... ok.

And as far as some ppl saying that: "well the game is ok, only connection is bad etc.". I mean- isnt the connection the most essential thing? If the connections bad, everything else doesnt matter, because youre not gonna enjoy the game with terrible connection and hitreg.

Heres what I had to deal with previously: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxYeoMhquSw
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: singlecoilpickup on 12:16 PM - 10/21/18
How do you have this much time to complain about a game?
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: colb on 12:28 PM - 10/21/18



Once again- with so many long lines of sight, it invites ppl to just camp with LMGS

Nope. Camping in this game is sure death. It's too fast paced for campers to have any sustained success.


You cant rush ppl, you cant be sneaky with a silenced weapon, unless you kill somebody from behind, you will be shown on the enemy Radar even if you use a silenced AR and kill an enemy.

This is just flat out false, and not even an opinion. Suppressed weapons, as always, do not show up on the mini-map / radar. The entire game is built around rushing, hence the higher TTK and 50% faster movement speed.




Again with such small maps and rather fast pace, it doesnt really make sense to move in this game. Unless you move from one power spot to the next, where you can pick off ppl from distance.


So do the maps have long lines of sight, or are they too small? Make up your mind. The only small maps are the old maps like Firing Range and Summit. The newer maps are fine. You're just used to posting up with your XIM and controlling spawns. They've changed the spawn logic, and while it's broken on many maps, it also forces you to use specialist abilities to control the map (Torque, Seraph, etc).

All of your complaining just makes me think you aren't very good at the game, and you don't even know what you want out of COD. One minute you're saying it's too big and slow. Then the next you're saying it's too small and fast.


The game has it's share of problems... and you've failed to touch on any of them.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Phil Ashio on 12:52 PM - 10/21/18
It's been confirmed  on YouTube

Bo4 MP and blackout servers are running at 20hz

But both the beta's were running at 60hz

Cool now I know why I played so  well on the beta and now im just trash on the full game with all the @#$% gun fights I get into

That's not why. The refresh rate of a server doesn't really matter that much as far as who has an advantage in a gun fight. All games had sub 30hz refresh rate last gen and you didn't start seeing ridiculous lag comp until 2010.

If a game is 20hz or 60hz everyone is playing at the same refresh rate so no one has an inherent advantage or disadvantage. However, lag compensation treats every connection differently. This is why you could have played a 60hz server on a game like Hardline and still gotten BS moments where the guy seems to have come out of the future and killed you faster than was possible in that situation.

Personally, the first five days of BO4 played better for me than the beta. It was a hotfix after the latest patch that made the netcode quality take a dive. Which is fine as now I'm playing with my compromised connection and doing well.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: shantzonpoint on 05:13 PM - 10/21/18
Xim made me a God at Infinite Warfare, and now it's doing the same thing on Black Ops 4. Stop crying and get better at COD.

Sorry but I find these remarks kinda annoying.  You are using a device that gives you a clear advantage over controller players and yet you're telling others to get better at CoD?  Play on PC where there is no aim assist and the playing field is equal for all.  Then see how god like you are.  Most here dominate with the Xim4 just like you do (including the guys complaining).  It's a whole different ball game when everybody is using kb/m tho. Trust me my numbers are very different from PC to PS4.....lol.

If you disagree with their perspective of the game, that's absolutely cool.  Debate away.  Just be humble and leave the "get better bruh" comments away please.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: LameJutsu on 07:34 PM - 10/21/18
Just because youre getting wrecked on multiplayer doesn't make it a terrible game.  Sure the game has some head glitching spots, but what game doesnt? Killing the guy running around with the shield isnt that hard, his feet are exposed so a few shots to his feet and he is dead. Do i rage at the game sometimes? Yes. Do i call @#$% on some shots? Yes. Its all part of the game. You just have to keep playing and adjust ur playing style to what fits you and makes you better. As for me, i have been enjoying the game immensely. 
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Jamesbone on 05:56 AM - 10/22/18
It's been confirmed  on YouTube

Bo4 MP and blackout servers are running at 20hz

But both the beta's were running at 60hz

Cool now I know why I played so  well on the beta and now im just trash on the full game with all the @#$% gun fights I get into

That's not why. The refresh rate of a server doesn't really matter that much as far as who has an advantage in a gun fight. All games had sub 30hz refresh rate last gen and you didn't start seeing ridiculous lag comp until 2010.

If a game is 20hz or 60hz everyone is playing at the same refresh rate so no one has an inherent advantage or disadvantage. However, lag compensation treats every connection differently. This is why you could have played a 60hz server on a game like Hardline and still gotten BS moments where the guy seems to have come out of the future and killed you faster than was possible in that situation.

Personally, the first five days of BO4 played better for me than the beta. It was a hotfix after the latest patch that made the netcode quality take a dive. Which is fine as now I'm playing with my compromised connection and doing well.

Haha nice I'll setup my phone with a wifi hotspot and play like 😁

I took my ps4 copy back and bought it on PC forgot how good Pc feels. Least now I'm not raging, I can handle dying to other good pc players lol.


Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Rain1dog on 07:52 AM - 10/22/18
@#$%... this is one of the very best multiplayer games Iíve played in a long time.  Blackout is outstanding(4 wins), Multiplayer is fast/frantic with all kinds of different ways to play, and Zombies is outstanding fun co-op.

You literally have a little something for everyone.  It looks outstanding in 4k(dynamic) with HDR on a 65 inch TCL. 

Of course the game just released a week ago so there will be some ironing out some bugs and networking but to say this game is garbage/boring/no strategy, will I respect your opinion, sounds more of someone struggling/frustrated.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Santigold on 10:16 AM - 10/22/18
@rain1dog- I mean I will be honest and say that the game is not really as bad as ww2 or IW, I can say that with confidence now, given that I went back to ww2 and played for a few rounds and I literally wanted to puke in rl after it. Especially if you play on maps like Toy Soldiers, Shippment 1943, USS Texas, Gustavs cannon, actually if you play on like 75% of all ww2 maps.

Sorry but I find these remarks kinda annoying.  You are using a device that gives you a clear advantage over controller players and yet you're telling others to get better at CoD?  Play on PC where there is no aim assist and the playing field is equal for all.  Then see how god like you are.  Most here dominate with the Xim4 just like you do (including the guys complaining).  It's a whole different ball game when everybody is using kb/m tho. Trust me my numbers are very different from PC to PS4.....lol.

If you disagree with their perspective of the game, that's absolutely cool.  Debate away.  Just be humble and leave the "get better bruh" comments away please.

Yeah I wholeheartedly agree here mate. This is a common mistake and flawed logic ppl tend to use on internet, when someone claims he doesnt like a particular game. I dont even get mad at ppl here assuming that whoever tends to dislike the game, must suck at it and whatnot. I mean these seem to be some new users around here who dont know who theyre discussing with, mostly fps vets and cod vets. But again, since I know better- Id rather correct them politely, much like you did.

I did play some more yesterday and it seems like they toned down the SBMM algorithm a little bit for my account. Before that I was matched vs 4/5 man parties playing solo myself, facing mostly tryhards who jumpshot in every fight, which usually means that theyre using scuff controllers or xim. Now yes it is possible to use the claw grip and jumpshot alot, but then youre not gonna be as precise as with scuf or xim.

And since those ppl in 4/5 man parties who tryhard usually like to camp in ADS behind headgltiches for killstreaks, it is not surprising that most lobbies were rly toxic experience with every moron camping aiming down sights wherever you go. I might upload a clip or two later showing what type of parties I was matched against.

Additionally it seems like with the yesterdays hotfix, theyve improved something in both netcode and engine. Before the fix, I literally had input lag of like 50-60ms in the game, even when moving the crosshair. Now when I move the crosshair its instant. I also didnt get that massive lag compensation penalty from Hell after yesterdays hotfix, although the connection quality was still wonky.

Anyways, my previous oppinion about the small maps with bad game flow still stands (and all the gimmicky/overpowered gadgets, specials etc). However due to the reasons mentioned above, the experience has changed after the last 1-2 hotfixes to the slightly more positive one. Until further notice, <- and this is a very important remark, until further notice I would say that bo4 is not as bad as IW or WW2 and if youre not playing against a party of 4-5 tryhard-ADS-camping nerds, the game is "playable".

I will give credit where credit is due, since Im a cod fan from early days. I do actually play the game, sometimes extensively, so it is not in my interest for the game to suck, just so that I can hate on it. If something changes to the better, I will give developers credit for that and vice versa.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Santigold on 03:14 AM - 10/23/18
I mean in this game I went 35-10 and out of those 10 deaths, IĎd say around 70-80% were due to BS, like lag compensation or BS gimmicks- i. e. the Dog and so on. And even 1 kill trade with primary weapons, which is again- unacceptable in cod.

https://youtu.be/sCAo5crKzFs


Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCAo5crKzFs

Thats why its a bit frustrating at times. Not only do I get matched vs 4/5-man parties of tryharding nerds on regular (which is quite a challenge in itself), I additionally have to fight through the lag and all that mess... Its not the worst lag example though, it does get worse..
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Jamesbone on 05:59 AM - 10/23/18
I mean in this game I went 35-10 and out of those 10 deaths, IĎd say around 70-80% were due to BS, like lag compensation or BS gimmicks- i. e. the Dog and so on. And even 1 kill trade with primary weapons, which is again- unacceptable in cod.

https://youtu.be/sCAo5crKzFs


Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCAo5crKzFs

Thats why its a bit frustrating at times. Not only do I get matched vs 4/5-man parties of tryharding nerds on regular (which is quite a challenge in itself), I additionally have to fight through the lag and all that mess... Its not the worst lag example though, it does get worse..

Love your game.play!!

I just been playing free for all now because I keep running into 4 - 5 man parties as well,  I'm mainly a solo player guess I need some friends LOL
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Santigold on 08:05 AM - 10/23/18
@Jamesbone- thanks my dude.

Just because youre getting wrecked on multiplayer doesn't make it a terrible game.

Of course the game just released a week ago so there will be some ironing out some bugs and networking but to say this game is garbage/boring/no strategy, will I respect your opinion, sounds more of someone struggling/frustrated.

#1- I rarely get "wrecked", meaning completely annihilated. Usually I wreck nerds.

#2- frustrated- maybe sometimes because of the insane ammount of gimmicks and BS that kills you. Struggling- not so much.


Heres a FFA game, 1st one I played on that day. In the first game in that video I was kind of confused by the footstep sounds beeing weird, the position didnt match where the players actually were. Acoustic sensor also showed some weird stuff that kinda didnt match the position of other players. Anyways- we had a couple of jumpshotting tryhard nerds in the game. One left after losing like 3rd gun encouter vs me in a row. The other nerd ended up winning the FFA game. Long story short- in the next FFA match I took this nerds weapon (silenced Vepr) and owned him with his own weapon, basically showing him who was the boss in that particular lobby. I dont care about tryharding nerds with their scuffs/xims and whatnot. I can play that game too (putting tryhard pants on), and then they better be rly focused and drink alot of Gfuel to be able to hang in there on the #1 position in the lobby.


Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYMnglKSzHQ

Heres another example of some tryhard guy who had some serious connection advantages and used some sort of small op SMG with like 25 attachments. First TDM game he was in my team and we stomped the other team. Next game he was in other team and kept sweating, I still won even with bad teammates and severe connection disadvantages.


Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fPsF6MNqwQ

So I hope these clowns in the thread will stop assuming "Just because youre getting wrecked on multiplayer doesn't make it a terrible game."
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Phil Ashio on 11:35 AM - 10/23/18
And even 1 kill trade with primary weapons, which is again- unacceptable in cod.

Totally acceptable, it should even be the norm. In fact they should open up the time frame in which it's possible.

Also, you want to talk about BS, go back and play the old ones. The non-stop flash banging and grenade spam, 3 kill undestuctable UAV spam, Airstrike Spam, Helo spam, GL spam, easy quickscoping, Martydom, Last stand (the BS kind of kill trading) and much much more.

Devs have to make the game as enjoyable as possible for everyone of all skill ranges not just for you personally. Black Ops 4, for the most part, manages to do that and cater to a wide variety of play styles while keeping the BS in check as much as they can without making the game completely one note and bland (ie. WWII).

What's happening is that you're probably just tired of these games. You're tired of the core gameplay and you don't want to put in the effort of learning the changes but you don't yet realize that it's not the game, that it's you. That's probably why RML moved on, despite praising Black Ops 4 recently he just went away possibly because of that realization. I'm starting to have the same creeping epiphany as, even though objectively I think BO4 is great, at third prestige I think I've had my fill.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Santigold on 02:20 PM - 10/23/18
The way you describe it seems like ppl make their decisions in life based on if they had enough of COD or not? I dunno about that though..

Other than that- I do mix things up with some sessions of Dota now and then. Recently even warcraft 3 which is a real time stategy game (RTS) where the community mod Dota originally came from. Im thinking about buying WW3 early access too. So COD is not the only game to enjoy.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: colb on 05:37 PM - 10/23/18
Despite some of the early issues, it's still the 2nd best COD ever made (bo2 is first). If they fix the few glaring issues, it will easily surpass bo2.

They upgraded servers to 30hz today, and will continue to monitor stability. Expect 40hz next week. 60hz is the goal, but it's a step by step process. They dont want to crash the servers.

Now they need to address the spawn logic,  and we'll be on to something good
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Phil Ashio on 08:16 PM - 10/23/18
The way you describe it seems like ppl make their decisions in life based on if they had enough of COD or not? I dunno about that though..


Are you saying xim isn't life? Putting xim away and leaving the community behind is tantamount to suicide and you suggesting otherwise is deplorable.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: ceebs on 03:30 AM - 10/24/18
The way you describe it seems like ppl make their decisions in life based on if they had enough of COD or not? I dunno about that though..


Are you saying xim isn't life? Putting xim away and leaving the community behind is tantamount to suicide and you suggesting otherwise is deplorable.
;D
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: havoxxx on 12:23 PM - 10/24/18
This game is life. Servers suck, but the game is amazing. Best cod in a very long time.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Statik_Kill on 08:20 AM - 10/25/18
Strongest aim assist out of all the cod series. They tried changing and fixing @#$% that wasnít broken. Most of the maps were remastered maps, the servers are garbage still. Spawns are hot @#$%, the hit detection is bad, new maps are meh, none of them stand out. Terrible weapon balancing and operator balancing. Itís clear to me they didnít really put any time into the MP, but spent all their time on blackout.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Santigold on 08:50 AM - 10/25/18
Maps get boring rather fast- is my main summary. And ofcourse connection inconsistency. Because of how small the maps are, youre allways in the same places/rooms etc. It gets boring fast. Im prestige 1 level 6 or smth and didnt play since then cause i have no desire to.

With BO3, 2 weeks after release I was still enjoying the game and played whenever I had spare time. You think about maps like Red Wood, Breach, Hunted, Infection, Stronghold, Havoc, Exodus, Evac- they never get boring to me, I could even play them now. I could play them for 15 hours (playilist with those maps) and not get bored. In BO4 I couldnt say this about any map so far. In fact I wish I could play BO4 on BO3 maps but with BO4 boots on the ground gameplay.

To be fair- I will say that bo4 is definitely better than WW2 and IW in my personal oppinion. But its not as good and addicting as BO3 was in my book.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: mikael on 11:29 AM - 10/25/18
Itís not just the games that get boring people, itís going to happen with everything in life, from what Iíve realized lol
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Phil Ashio on 12:37 PM - 10/25/18
Maps get boring rather fast- is my main summary. And ofcourse connection inconsistency. Because of how small the maps are, youre allways in the same places/rooms etc. It gets boring fast. Im prestige 1 level 6 or smth and didnt play since then cause i have no desire to.

With BO3, 2 weeks after release I was still enjoying the game and played whenever I had spare time. You think about maps like Red Wood, Breach, Hunted, Infection, Stronghold, Havoc, Exodus, Evac- they never get boring to me, I could even play them now. I could play them for 15 hours (playilist with those maps) and not get bored. In BO4 I couldnt say this about any map so far. In fact I wish I could play BO4 on BO3 maps but with BO4 boots on the ground gameplay.

To be fair- I will say that bo4 is definitely better than WW2 and IW in my personal oppinion. But its not as good and addicting as BO3 was in my book.

Then you like some really simple samey three lane maps. One of the things that make BO4 maps better than the past three entries is that they actually try to make the maps more multilayered. Morocco could have easily fit in with the MW2 set.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: 1me on 02:05 PM - 10/25/18
Then you like some really simple samey three lane maps. One of the things that make BO4 maps better than the past three entries is that they actually try to make the maps more multilayered.
which is a big mistake imo. BO4 maps have way too many routes and sublanes, which only inhibits gameflow. Those maps play a lot slower and don't provide the level of Head to Head Combat of well designed 3 lane maps (Combine, Fringe, Infection, Stronghold).

Instead, most maps have OP camping/ Headglitching spots where anyone can aim the whole map without even entering a risk
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: alanmcgregor on 02:43 PM - 10/25/18
I liked the game, a nice change of phase (coming from Battlefield). I prefer multiplayer over Blackout due its poor network performance I going to shelf it, until they fix it...

besides... my 8 years waiting ends in a few hours.

Ready to wield my Winchester and ride my horse into the sunset...

Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: colb on 07:03 PM - 10/25/18
Man, ya'll are some whiney players. I just had a 70 kill game with a rushing class (Only perk was Scavenger).

The maps are fine.

The weapon balance is fine.

The specialists are fine.

The spawns are broke.

But it's mostly a really good COD. The best COD since BO2, and probably 2nd best COD ever.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Phil Ashio on 10:32 PM - 10/25/18
Then you like some really simple samey three lane maps. One of the things that make BO4 maps better than the past three entries is that they actually try to make the maps more multilayered.
which is a big mistake imo. BO4 maps have way too many routes and sublanes, which only inhibits gameflow. Those maps play a lot slower and don't provide the level of Head to Head Combat of well designed 3 lane maps (Combine, Fringe, Infection, Stronghold).

Instead, most maps have OP camping/ Headglitching spots where anyone can aim the whole map without even entering a risk

If anything I'm having the opposite experience. The simple 3 lane maps of BO3 slowed the pace to a crawl with most matches just deteriorating into head glitch standoffs and Black Ops 3 is tied with Ghosts for one of the campiest CODs. Infection is the absolute epitome of this (unless you play FFA). Those simple maps made it easier for campers to control their spots.

BO4 is much faster paced and it's easier to flank around and surprise campers. Campers don't last long on the newer maps, though some of the classic maps suffer in this regard. It's nice to be able to have maps where you can play mind games with people again, versus the more recent COD style maps where the only time maps play a role in combat is the headglitch spots.

But at the very core of it it's nice to have a different style of maps. The beta gave the worst offenders of Treyarch style symmetrical simple 3 lane maps and I was worried that it was going to be another year of the exact same maps we got the past three entries. I'm glad they are more varied as it's like a breath of fresh air.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: mikael on 10:39 AM - 10/26/18
These guys complaining that in bo4 there is too many places someone can come out of , you would rather have someone come out from the foocking sky????? Lol you gotta watch out the sky for flying people on top of the pathways 😂😂😂😂 you guys are something else
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Santigold on 12:09 PM - 10/26/18
I find the directions ppl are gonna come from and spawns too predictable, to the point where its becoming boring rly fast.

When you have more flank routes like wallrunning routes etc. it makes the game less predictable and less boring imo. You think about Red Wood- ppl can swim through the river and flank you or wallrun on the tree side, or go through the middle or waterbridge on the left or tree-bridge on the right... On maps like Firing Range, Slums, Summit, Jungle, Icebreaker, Church map from Beta, Tropic Map from Beta etc. I know exactly where somebodys gonna come from. Id say like 90% of the maps I know where to expect ppl to come from, which makes it boring. Unless ofcourse the spawns flip unexpectedly, but thats about it in terms of element of surprise.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: asilver on 12:26 PM - 10/26/18
Itís real simple

There are 15 cod games, every year thereís a bunch of people arguing that this one is finally good, it isnít. Theyíre trolls. Itís just  as bad as the past 11 games. Theyíre designed to piss you off so you buy the next one. Even the people saying this one is good are raging while playing.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Santigold on 12:40 PM - 10/26/18
Ofcourse they do. Nobodys gonna get fooled that easily. I bet they even rage more than BO3 or WW2. At least WW2 didnt have BS gimmicks and operator specials. And in BO3 the specials were mostly balanced.

You compare that one Pulse Vision girl that only had pulse vision for her and the swipes were rather limited in distance and slow- now the same special shows the whole map to your whole team multiple times.

Id say BO3 specials were balanced for the most part with very few exceptions. YOu look at BO4- theres nothing more annoying than the guy with the shield and pistol. If he camps in front of the enemy teams spawn and the spawn doesnt flip, theres nothing to counter him. Even his sides are protected way too good. And some clown who claimed in this thread that you can shoot at his feet probably was stupid or smth. If the shield guy crouches, you cant shoot his feet.

You look at the dog, absolutely op. You look at the noob tube operator special- extremely op, damage radius is way too big. Rector core- absolutely annoying etc. etc.

If you spend your points on countering most of the BS in the game, youre gonna have too weak primary weapon.

Fact is, the operator specials and other equippment and gadgets is extremely overpowered and annoying to play against. Maps are too predictable and small overall, this way you allways know where theyre gonna spawn next and can just camp in ADS waiting for them to show themselves.

Let me break these maps down to the essentials- you just get to the middle and hold the center position of the map. Then you just stay there and wait for the enemy, once the spawn flips, you turn around and expect them to come from the other side. Best example- Slums, Summit, Icebreaker, Firing Range, Morocoo, Seaside, Hacienda, Arsenal- basically like 80-90% of the maps. You just stay in the center and preaim one of 3 lanes where enemies are gonna come from. Thats it. Thats how boring it is. You just pick off spawning enemies from the center of the map, no need to move alot, just hold the power position in the middle.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: antithesis on 05:10 PM - 10/26/18
I don't have a problem with the Specialists, it's part of the power fantasy. Destiny does the same thing with classes.

Your average player is going to pop their special once a game. A good player might do it twice. A fantastic player on a huge killstreak may crack it three times. That's all part of the fun and it rewards good gameplay. Sure, getting your teeth kicked in with little chance to counter happens (rockets, grenades and mines all work), but we get to return the favour.

If you want realism, play Siege. If you want gritty boots on the ground, play Battlefield. If you want team work and counterplay, go with Overwatch. CoD is what is it is, and what it is, for the most part, is mindless fun.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: colb on 08:08 PM - 10/26/18
Santi, just go play Titanfall 2 and stop whining. Lmao.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Jamesbone on 11:24 PM - 10/26/18
When I first posted in this thread I said i was struggling in this COD, dunno what happen but I'm absolutely smacking people now..

Oh wait maybe it's because I'm using the MOst OP gun in the game..

Yeah thats right

VKM750!!!
Class setup, Reflex sight, Two High calibre attachments, quickdraw and The "Fat barrel" operator Mod

Use this gun and you wont even notice 150 health anymore or body Armor.
I hardly run into anybody using this gun, it's insane try it before they nerf it!!

You will thank me 😁
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Santigold on 12:26 AM - 10/27/18
They also toned down SBMM algorithm slightly, thats why youre not only playing vs biggest Gfuel tryhards.

In terms of weapons- I dont think a pafticulsr gun is required to dominate ppl. Its no problem with most ARs.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: antithesis on 01:12 AM - 10/27/18
VKM750!!!
Yeah, two shot kill at any range from the VMK is crazy powerful. I thought movement would be a lot slower than it is too.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Jamesbone on 01:43 AM - 10/27/18
VKM750!!!
Yeah, two shot kill at any range from the VMK is crazy powerful. I thought movement would be a lot slower than it is too.

Yeah haha take off the reflex sight and put on the NVIR sight for jungle and icebreak lol that's if you wanna make them leave fast 😂
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: HanSolo82 on 09:49 AM - 10/29/18
When I first posted in this thread I said i was struggling in this COD, dunno what happen but I'm absolutely smacking people now..

Oh wait maybe it's because I'm using the MOst OP gun in the game..

Yeah thats right

VKM750!!!
Class setup, Reflex sight, Two High calibre attachments, quickdraw and The "Fat barrel" operator Mod

Use this gun and you wont even notice 150 health anymore or body Armor.
I hardly run into anybody using this gun, it's insane try it before they nerf it!!

You will thank me 😁


Bro, I normally melt with the VapR but since using this VK gun, I been getting alot more hate lately lol. Thanks man, I pulled these out against 5 try hard clan members last night and literally got them quitting before half time in Domination.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: LolPop on 05:30 PM - 10/29/18
When I first posted in this thread I said i was struggling in this COD, dunno what happen but I'm absolutely smacking people now..

Oh wait maybe it's because I'm using the MOst OP gun in the game..

Yeah thats right

VKM750!!!
Class setup, Reflex sight, Two High calibre attachments, quickdraw and The "Fat barrel" operator Mod

Use this gun and you wont even notice 150 health anymore or body Armor.
I hardly run into anybody using this gun, it's insane try it before they nerf it!!

You will thank me

I told everyone to use their unlock token just like me on the VKM on day one. Once you put the two high cals and the fat barrel it is unstopable, NOTHING can outgun it. It's perfect at close, medium and long range.

And just as you said, one of the very few guns that make you forget about the increased health.

Manual health still there though
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Santigold on 11:04 AM - 10/30/18
Well, with no big influencers streaming bo4 (like DrDisrespect, Ninja, Shroud, Summit1g etc.), bo4 already dropped below Pubg. And pubg also had no huge influencers streaming when the screenshot was made- which is at this very exact moment of this post..

(https://i.imgur.com/m8kelHx.jpg)

https://imgur.com/a/RoeNWOp

The hype came and went and now nobody gaf about this game anymore, unless some big ppl stream it, which doenst say much, because they could stream Minecraft and have about the same ammount of viewers, they usually have in bo4.

Basically as many of us predicted. Game would last around 4-6 weeks and then ppl get bored of this half finished and half thought through noobified garbage game, PERIOD.

If it was that Pubg killer as many nerds were claiming during the Beta hype, why did the player numbers on Pubg barely change when BO4 came out, (it wasnt even 5% less players on pubg lmao)? And why are more ppl watching a 2 year old game on Twitch vs a game that is around 3 weeks old? I mean they can come up with any nonsensical explanations to this, the simple answer is- the games trash, thats why Fortnite has 3x the ammount of viewers on a monday, yes a monday- there are no tournaments going on or anyting like that. Plus a dusty old Pubg still wipes the floor with this trash of an unfinished and buggy game.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: colb on 04:50 PM - 10/30/18
Well, with no big influencers streaming bo4 (like DrDisrespect, Ninja, Shroud, Summit1g etc.), bo4 already dropped below Pubg. And pubg also had no huge influencers streaming when the screenshot was made- which is at this very exact moment of this post..

(https://i.imgur.com/m8kelHx.jpg)

https://imgur.com/a/RoeNWOp

The hype came and went and now nobody gaf about this game anymore, unless some big ppl stream it, which doenst say much, because they could stream Minecraft and have about the same ammount of viewers, they usually have in bo4.

Basically as many of us predicted. Game would last around 4-6 weeks and then ppl get bored of this half finished and half thought through noobified garbage game, PERIOD.

If it was that Pubg killer as many nerds were claiming during the Beta hype, why did the player numbers on Pubg barely change when BO4 came out, (it wasnt even 5% less players on pubg lmao)? And why are more ppl watching a 2 year old game on Twitch vs a game that is around 3 weeks old? I mean they can come up with any nonsensical explanations to this, the simple answer is- the games trash, thats why Fortnite has 3x the ammount of viewers on a monday, yes a monday- there are no tournaments going on or anyting like that. Plus a dusty old Pubg still wipes the floor with this trash of an unfinished and buggy game.

Just stop. It's back up to 4th with 84k. A bunch of people are playing/watching Red Dead Redemption 2 right now, and rightfully so... as it's one of the best single player games ever made. Of course COD isn't going to hold 200k viewers forever, once the honeymoon phase wears off. Watching COD has always been boring, and it will never hold the viewership that it did 5 years ago.

As for PUBG, 90% of it's population is Chinese. We know this from SteamCharts. Less than 100k people play it in North America. And even less play it in Europe. It's a broken game.


Fortnite is Fortnite, and will continue to reign supreme.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Santigold on 03:08 PM - 11/03/18
Only cod to have online hacks on consoles this generation... Quite sad tbh...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackops4/comments/9tx95v/ps4_user_bbkboss1_seems_to_have_somehow_hacked/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackops4/comments/9tv1sq/speed_hacks_on_console_upvote_for_awareness/

lmao Reddit is full of bugs its insane.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: colb on 03:55 PM - 11/03/18
It's a glitch that you do in a private game, and it carries over to public matches.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Santigold on 04:39 PM - 11/03/18
Ah well still lame and annoying.

On another note, I just watched 2 of my videos I uploaded back during Infinite Warfare and OH my freaking goodness was the hit detection Galaxies ahead of the sheetty Treyarchs engine. Now the connection wasnt allways good in IW dont get me wrong and the game has its fair share of annoying things, but man did the gun combat feel so much more satisfying than bo4. If you got a flank on a group of 3-4 ppl and aimed precisely, you could easily mow them down, even using a silenced weapon.

Man, thats where reflexes and aiming skills really payed off. Well crap, IW really had a chance to be one of the "better" CODs if they left out some super annoying things like black hole grenade, cluster grenade, robot dog etc. and had more good maps. Now it did have some good maps, but not enough imo.

I do think Infinity Ward has the potential to deliver a solid COD next year, also I think they wont have wasted ressources on Battle Royale mode, because by then everyone will be sick and tired of this ish and Activision most likely realises it. I mean you can see it already that ppl are burnt out on this BR trash hype. Yeah it might last for 3-4 more months and after that ppl wont want to touch it again.

It is what it is- treyarchs trash engine in terms of hit detection will never change. It hasnt for the last 10 years and it wont in the future. IWs engine was good in both Ghosts and IW, however due to ppl not wanting Jetpack COD any more, IW had very fragmented playerbase, so it matched you vs ppl that were hundreds if not thousands of miles away, so the connection couldnt be good all the time.

Anyways, those are the games I just watched and I will be honest, I had way more fun watching those gun fights in IW compared to BO4. All you see in BO4 is mostly headglitch fighting and thats it. Lame and boring. I dont even like myself going to watch my own uploaded BO4 videos, but man- rewatching these 2 vids was refreshing AF, Im not gonna lie. Cant believe what huge worlds of difference there are in TTK and hit-detection between IW and BO4...

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VGcYPynT6w


Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPau0ESKqBo

The hit detection really looks snappy and wonderful in those games Im not gonna lie, ppl drop instantly. Also the aiming mechanics in IW were just wonderful. Consistent across the board, almost PC-like feel. BO4 is all over the place with the inconsistency and floatyness.


Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: colb on 05:09 PM - 11/03/18
I'm not sure what Treyarch was thinking with their "balance pass". They basically nerfed all of the AR's, and now the only one that's worth using is the Maddox.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Jamesbone on 07:33 PM - 11/03/18
Ah well still lame and annoying.

On another note, I just watched 2 of my videos I uploaded back during Infinite Warfare and OH my freaking goodness was the hit detection Galaxies ahead of the sheetty Treyarchs engine. Now the connection wasnt allways good in IW dont get me wrong and the game has its fair share of annoying things, but man did the gun combat feel so much more satisfying than bo4. If you got a flank on a group of 3-4 ppl and aimed precisely, you could easily mow them down, even using a silenced weapon.

Man, thats where reflexes and aiming skills really payed off. Well crap, IW really had a chance to be one of the "better" CODs if they left out some super annoying things like black hole grenade, cluster grenade, robot dog etc. and had more good maps. Now it did have some good maps, but not enough imo.

I do think Infinity Ward has the potential to deliver a solid COD next year, also I think they wont have wasted ressources on Battle Royale mode, because by then everyone will be sick and tired of this ish and Activision most likely realises it. I mean you can see it already that ppl are burnt out on this BR trash hype. Yeah it might last for 3-4 more months and after that ppl wont want to touch it again.

It is what it is- treyarchs trash engine in terms of hit detection will never change. It hasnt for the last 10 years and it wont in the future. IWs engine was good in both Ghosts and IW, however due to ppl not wanting Jetpack COD any more, IW had very fragmented playerbase, so it matched you vs ppl that were hundreds if not thousands of miles away, so the connection couldnt be good all the time.

Anyways, those are the games I just watched and I will be honest, I had way more fun watching those gun fights in IW compared to BO4. All you see in BO4 is mostly headglitch fighting and thats it. Lame and boring. I dont even like myself going to watch my own uploaded BO4 videos, but man- rewatching these 2 vids was refreshing AF, Im not gonna lie. Cant believe what huge worlds of difference there are in TTK and hit-detection between IW and BO4...

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VGcYPynT6w


Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPau0ESKqBo

The hit detection really looks snappy and wonderful in those games Im not gonna lie, ppl drop instantly. Also the aiming mechanics in IW were just wonderful. Consistent across the board, almost PC-like feel. BO4 is all over the place with the inconsistency and floatyness.

i love me some IW im holding a 7.7kd on that game on xbox lol.. feels amazing to play no idea why it got such bad reviews it was so fun!
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: neverf1 on 04:09 AM - 11/04/18
I'm still having fun. Finding it really hard to build to the higher streaks with all the various stuff that can kill me though. Clutching hard on acoustic sensor at the moment. Need to learn the maps and spawns better still too. If anyone has any updated tips based on experience of the game so far I'd be happy to hear them! Though maybe a question for another thread given the theme of this one, lol.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: JDM on 04:35 AM - 11/04/18
It's been confirmed  on YouTube

Bo4 MP and blackout servers are running at 20hz

But both the beta's were running at 60hz

Cool now I know why I played so  well on the beta and now im just trash on the full game with all the @#$% gun fights I get into

Its not just because of the poor connection at 20hz. Ppl just also figured out the most cheesy and lame weapons and ways to play. Which is to headglitching in ADS at one of 24 million headglitch spots.

Ppl also figured out the lamest and cheesiest specialists and are now abusing them, like the Shield running guy with the pistol, the overpowered Noobtube launcher, the stationary Shield specialist, Wallhack vision for the whole team and so on.

Again with such small maps and rather fast pace, it doesnt really make sense to move in this game. Unless you move from one power spot to the next, where you can pick off ppl from distance. I mean go play kill confirmed on Firing Range, Jungle, Summit etc. Ppl just sit in power spots that is usually somewhere in the middle of the map and just camp there Aiming Down Sights.

On top of that they introduced the specialist with the tactical respawn location, what a dumb idea that was. You have small maps already, fast pace- which contributes to clusterF-ish spawn already. BUt then on top of that they put a mobile respawn point into a specialist class.. Like how dumb are they tbh.

The ammount of gimmicky BS in this game that kills you is at record level high. I think even IW had less gimmicky trash gadgets and specialists that killed you. Well maybe not IW now that I think about it, but certainly most other CODs in the last years.

This game is designed to be a kill trading game for low skilled players mostly, where everyone gets a few gifted kills from Specialist and Equippment and other BS, so that they dont get frustrated when they get wrecked by more skilled players in previous COD games with higher skill gap. BO3 is in every way better than BO4, the specials were more balanced and everything else basically. And the maps werent complete dog crap, like boring small open maps with 3 lanes. You can tell they didnt have that much time really to make bo4, so they just copy pasted 4 old maps and the rest are some half axxed rushed maps, mostly open area and some few buildings in the middle and around the map, like that Icebreaker map, Contraband, Hacienda etc.

Also fast reflexes and good aim dont really matter that much in this game. See 3arc and activision dont want pubstompers to flank a team of nerds and spray down 4-5 of them at once. Theyd rather give all Timmy Nothumbses a ton of HP and make them like a tank, almost like Juggernaut suit from MW3. So that now the pubstompers cant wipe the whole team of incapable and unskilled noobs with reflexes of a Turtle. On the contrary- Activision now gives every gimp a ton of Aim Assist, so that you dont even have to be good at aiming and still can kill some sick Pubstomper, whod otherwise wipe the floor with all these noobs in previous CODs.

As said before- this is the most dumbed down and simplified/noobified COD, a Sloth could pick up a controller and do well in this game. Its the biggest "participation medal" game ever for unskilled and untalanted and reflex-less gimps, you just get kills and rewards for beeing in the game, even if youre doing nothing or sucking really hard.

I guess thats how you get those morons to play a game and spend money on it these days. You give them participation medals and trophies for doing absolutely nothing, and you stroke their retard-ego by giving them freekills and other rewards.. Absolutely disgusting tbh.

Overwatch and other hero based games at least require skill to do well, although they also have specials in the game. But BO4? Its a disgusting, hideous noob fest pile of Dog Sheet.

 Imean if thats the direction that COD is heading, you can truly forget this franchise for good. If theres no skill gap and learning curve, but only stupid mindless kill trading, with all sorts of gadgets and BS specials- what sense does it make to play it? Its a goony, mindless and almost retarded activity to kill free time, if theres barely any skill gap or learning curve etc.

"Oh hey guys, lets make everyone like Optic Scumpy, where they barely miss a shot with such a buck ton of Aim Assist. And lets also give everyone a stupid gadget and special to get freekills with. That will make all the gimps want to buy the game and spend money... (/retarded Activision manager voice)". Thats how these imbecile Activision managers think these days.

This is exactly why since my main account got banned Iíve been playing Blackout, even though Iím not playing the game much at all, if you got a good squad or duo partner, you donít even need a crazy good squad, just people tho think, itís really fun.

Kinda happy my main account got banned, if it didnít I probably wouldnít be playing the game at all, the only fun MP game mode which has the least bs is FFA but the stupid spawns and trashy connection fooooock that up.

Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Santigold on 01:56 PM - 11/04/18
Just saw this vid from Jnasty. I was suprised how many points he mentioned that Ive already talked about, like getting bored of BO4 so fast, because it is super repetitive and a few others. But then again- not that surprising, giving those are the facts.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2MHaMHKTZw


Anyways the guy nailed it in his vid 100%, every point he mentioned is absolutely legit. 3arc is very out of touch with the balancing specialists, weapons etc. Theres no hope for this game really.

I dunno if some of you actually noticed it, but 3arc also doesnt want ppl to use silenced weapons and to make sure nobody does use them, they just make the damage drop off with Silencers like youre using a water pistol. I dont know, I guess treyarch thinks that its too strong if you have a viable silenced weapon, that the pubstompers are gonna wreck inexperienced players too much? It was the case in BO3 too, the only viable weapon with a silencer was AK47 and I think Kuda, very rarely youd see that 3-shot SMG with a silencer, but even with those weapons by attaching a silencer would make you lose so many gunfights, just because of the insane damage drop off. Overall 98% of the time you wouldnt see anyone using silenced weapons in BO3.

Now back to BO4, first of all only a bunch of weapons even have the silencer attachment. Second- none of them are actually viable due to again- insane damage drop off. Vepr with silencer used to be viable, like only 1 freaking weapon in the game. It wasnt even overpowered or anything like that, but then they nerfed the silencer attachment across the board and made the damage drop off even bigger. That is really pathetic. You will now see 2 players use a silenced weapon in BO4 out of probably 1000 players you meet.

Oh and lets not forget the Radar rework thing, that if the enemy sees you, you will show up on the radar for the whole enemy team, even if you are using a silenced weapon. It's like they dont want ppl to be able to play in a stealthy way, period. They want you to be visible on the enemy radar if you kill someone, so that the enemy team can rush to that place and kill you while youre freaking sticking some needles inside yourself and reloading your weapon, because it is almost impossible to have enough ammo left after killing 1-2 enemy players. So if you cant even be stealthy with silenced weapons in BO4 most of the time (unless you happen to kill someone from behind), theres really no point in using them, especially after the recent nerf.

The only hope is that the next IW game will bring back the fun in gun combat, because treyarch nerfs everything that is popular. I dont see myself play bo4 for alot longer, Im already bored/tired of the maps tbh. Even in Infinite Warfare I would say the maps dont get boring that fast. I already bought a used copy of IW and am going to revisit that game instead. At least you have guns that are fun to use in IW. In BO4 you need to spend like 4-5 points on the weapon attachments, to make it a viable weapon that is fun to use.

Its kinda sad that treyarch games became so disgusting in terms of gun mechanics that arent fun to use and maps that make you want to puke after playing for 1 hour. Not to mention the connection, that they havent fixed since 10 years. Even SH CODs now have better hit registration than 3arcs games. IW CODs usually have acceptable connection quality with a few exceptions here and there.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: antithesis on 02:35 PM - 11/04/18
Please don't use "fact" interchangeably with "opinion". "Boredom" is not a factual basis for anything, ever. Boredom is, in fact, entirely subjective.

Stating that the radar change renders a silencer less useful is closer to a "fact".
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Jamesbone on 05:16 PM - 11/04/18
Just saw this vid from Jnasty. I was suprised how many points he mentioned that Ive already talked about, like getting bored of BO4 so fast, because it is super repetitive and a few others. But then again- not that surprising, giving those are the facts.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2MHaMHKTZw


Anyways the guy nailed it in his vid 100%, every point he mentioned is absolutely legit. 3arc is very out of touch with the balancing specialists, weapons etc. Theres no hope for this game really.

I dunno if some of you actually noticed it, but 3arc also doesnt want ppl to use silenced weapons and to make sure nobody does use them, they just make the damage drop off with Silencers like youre using a water pistol. I dont know, I guess treyarch thinks that its too strong if you have a viable silenced weapon, that the pubstompers are gonna wreck inexperienced players too much? It was the case in BO3 too, the only viable weapon with a silencer was AK47 and I think Kuda, very rarely youd see that 3-shot SMG with a silencer, but even with those weapons by attaching a silencer would make you lose so many gunfights, just because of the insane damage drop off. Overall 98% of the time you wouldnt see anyone using silenced weapons in BO3.

Now back to BO4, first of all only a bunch of weapons even have the silencer attachment. Second- none of them are actually viable due to again- insane damage drop off. Vepr with silencer used to be viable, like only 1 freaking weapon in the game. It wasnt even overpowered or anything like that, but then they nerfed the silencer attachment across the board and made the damage drop off even bigger. That is really pathetic. You will now see 2 players use a silenced weapon in BO4 out of probably 1000 players you meet.

Oh and lets not forget the Radar rework thing, that if the enemy sees you, you will show up on the radar for the whole enemy team, even if you are using a silenced weapon. It's like they dont want ppl to be able to play in a stealthy way, period. They want you to be visible on the enemy radar if you kill someone, so that the enemy team can rush to that place and kill you while youre freaking sticking some needles inside yourself and reloading your weapon, because it is almost impossible to have enough ammo left after killing 1-2 enemy players. So if you cant even be stealthy with silenced weapons in BO4 most of the time (unless you happen to kill someone from behind), theres really no point in using them, especially after the recent nerf.

The only hope is that the next IW game will bring back the fun in gun combat, because treyarch nerfs everything that is popular. I dont see myself play bo4 for alot longer, Im already bored/tired of the maps tbh. Even in Infinite Warfare I would say the maps dont get boring that fast. I already bought a used copy of IW and am going to revisit that game instead. At least you have guns that are fun to use in IW. In BO4 you need to spend like 4-5 points on the weapon attachments, to make it a viable weapon that is fun to use.

Its kinda sad that treyarch games became so disgusting in terms of gun mechanics that arent fun to use and maps that make you want to puke after playing for 1 hour. Not to mention the connection, that they havent fixed since 10 years. Even SH CODs now have better hit registration than 3arcs games. IW CODs usually have acceptable connection quality with a few exceptions here and there.

The next IW game wow we can only wish.  Infinite got so much hate I doubt they will make another.

I definitely would love to keep playing IW but here in australia the only matches you find are in TDM and alot of the the time it's a 5v5
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: ceebs on 03:30 AM - 11/05/18
Infinite got so much hate I doubt they will make another.
And yet it's in the top 10 best-selling Xbox1 and PS4 games to date. Don't give up hope...
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Bado on 06:26 AM - 11/06/18
I actually love COD Multiplayer and Play solo myself so I well say I play SnD and mostly get brain dead teammates and hold a 10 W/L & a 5KD guns is unbalanced a little bit but the game hasnít been out for long enough the game will change .. right now ARs and LMGs are the top guns unless you wanna shotgun strobe light .. I actually donít like public matches as much because Acoustic Sensor is the most broke thing in the game thereís no counter for that or the strobe light shotgun .. Iím just waiting for League play and playing Tourneys FL & Wagers but I am actually enjoying the game.. BO4 has been a start to better CODs forsure .. the 150 health isnít the best nor is stim shot .. ití gets you instantly back to 150 they just need a few fixes nerfs and buffs
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Santigold on 05:39 PM - 11/06/18
Today I compared the ping in the Netduma Router to the servers (actually most of the time I was connected to peer2peer hosts) and the ingame ping. And as I already though, the game gives me quite a heavy lag compensation of 40ms up to like 80ms at times.

Here are a couple of example screenshots:

(https://i.redd.it/a0uyjxt0msw11.png)

(https://i.redd.it/ov4905u0msw11.png)

(https://i.redd.it/3p6z3xu0msw11.png)

(https://i.redd.it/64be22u0msw11.png)

(https://i.redd.it/of57ztt0msw11.png)

(https://i.redd.it/soi4ott0msw11.png)

Also I could see that the game wanted to match me with hosts that were like 1000km away from me, although Im sure in central europe are enough ppl playing the game. Which leads me to assume that the skill variable is pretty heavy in the matchmaking algorithm. Now- the game will not try to fill the whole lobby with good players, or ppl who have very good stats. But in my lobbies it does try to fill in at least 2-3 sweaty nerds, which the game then puts on the opposite team, and all the inexperienced Timmy Nothumb players on my team. It results in more or less me playing vs 3-4 players who know what to do, without any help from teammates, who just sit as 4 ppl in 1 room and move like ducks, crouching around the map.

Lag Compensation and SBMM are very noticable for me personally and absolutely annoying. If I at least had very good connection, I wouldnt mind the tryhard sweats as much. But the combination of both lag comp and sbmm, and then all the op trash gimmicks like 9-bang and many other character specials- that is really too much frustration to bother with.

In terms of Netduma, I was never gonna buy the actual Netduma router. But I wanted to buy a good "gaming" router, and saw that the Netgear had good specs. I figured, I might as well try the Netduma OS and get the Netgear XR500. So far I wouldnt say its a killer feature (NetdumaOS), it still cant do jack sheet against the lag compensation, that is applied by servers, not congestion from my side or anything else on my side.

If anything, Id say that Netduma is snake oil so far, dont buy their own R1 trash router for 200+ USD with trash hardware. If the Netgear didnt have top notch hardware specs, Id prolly just send it back, but because it does have top notch hardware and wifi, Im going to keep it.

But again- on the screenshots you see why Netduma is useless. I already set the geo circle to like 400 kilometers, which is very strict. And I have a low ping to the hosts, that I got placed to. However- you see that in the actual game my ping is 40ms higher or even 70+ms higher than the physical latency to the host.

A router wont be able to fix a trash netcode and trash hitregistration of a poorly coded game like bo4. So keep that in mind. If youre gonna want to buy a router with NetdumaOS, at least buy the netgear and dont pay 200+ USD for outdated garbge hardware in R1, which was revealed that it costs less than 50 usd for them to buy, which they then resell for like 220 USD...
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: antithesis on 05:47 PM - 11/06/18
Have you tried a different server location Santigold? Aiming for a ping of around 40-60ms should help to overcome lag comp. Restricting bandwidth via QoS should also help.

Is that the XB1 version? I can't find the Connection Meter in the PS4 version of BO4. At least not the last time I looked...
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Santigold on 05:56 PM - 11/06/18
Those are 3 different hosts. 2 of them are p2p, the 3rd example is a dedicated server, althouth Netduma says it is a "peer" host.

I compared many different servers/hosts, I only made screenshots for 3 different servers to showcase the real physical latency to a p2p host or dedicated server, and then the lag compensation that I get in the game, which can be seen on the ingame ping. The 3 screenshots very well represent the ammount of lag comp I get on average inside the game.

On ps4 you need to enable the ping chart in the network settings. Then once you are in the game, the actual match on the map, you go to the network settings again, and there you can see the ping chart.

I dont really think restricting bandwith does anything, because all the server cares about is the ping and nothing else. The netcode data that is exchanged with servers doesnt really need any bandwith, it is like 50 kbit/second in bot directions. BattleNonsense did a test in one of his videos and there you could see that the network data for online games barely ever exceeds 100 kbits/second, which is like 0.1 Mbit/second.

So I dont see why servers would care about the bandwith of a particular player, unless it tries to find the best host for the lobby. But other than that, the bandwith shouldnt be of any relevance for the lag compensation algorithm, only the ping.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: antithesis on 06:09 PM - 11/06/18
On ps4 you need to enable the ping chart in the network settings. Then once you are in the game, the actual match on the map, you go to the network settings again, and there you can see the ping chart.
Ta, that's the part I was missing.

Have you tried the CoD guide on the Netduma forums? I also recall A4Legit heavily restricted bandwidth in previous CoD games and it greatly improved his hit registration.

Ping can be manipulated via wifi, a VPN, and/or moving to a different server. Might be worth trying. It's an odd scenario needing to intentionally nerf our own connection to improve gameplay, but that's CoD in a nutshell.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Santigold on 06:21 PM - 11/06/18
You can use software like clumsy to manipulate your ping and some other things like packet drops etc. Just need a PC with 2 LAN slots. 1 LAN slot and 1 wifi connection would probably work as well. Then just enable "internet connection sharing" under adapter settings of the lan port or wifi adapter that is connected to internet.

I did mess around with this program a little and increased my ping. Unfortunately all it did for me was that I got shot around the corner more often, because the server didnt receive my updated position on the map as fast as with normal ping without any manipulation of the ping. So overall it didnt have a positive effect on the connection, rather a more negative. I tried different scenarios- 180ms ping, 120ms etc. It didnt seem to improve anything for my connection. Funny enough- when facing ppl, I could still kill them as on a normal, unaltered ping that I have. But the issue really was when I was running around corners and still getting killed, cause the server didnt receive the position update fast enough.

Although I didnt limit my bandwith, it was still the same bandwith. If for some reason the bandwith does play a role (which Id find very illogical), then Id have to retest it again.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Santigold on 09:46 AM - 12/02/18
Look at the funny team balancing. At least something is working in this game, right?
Im talking about their anecdotal SBMM/team balancing.

https://imgur.com/a/hvRzM2d

(https://i.imgur.com/X1Xhv2P.jpg)

Oh well, who thought.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: tghlck on 10:34 AM - 12/06/18
Luckily for us BR fans, Blackout is pretty much everything we wanted and more from Pubg.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4f/a9/66/4fa966c664c3805b1d6730d6eb3de630.gif)
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Santigold on 11:55 AM - 12/06/18
Whats actually strange and unacceptable is that in games where I lagged and shots didnt register- when I checked my ping under Network settings, I had a normal ping of around 30-45ms. It wasnt like 100+ ms. So the lag is clearly on the server side or inside the engine with broken lag compensation and camera angles.

That is also the reason why a router like Netduma cant do anything or help in any meaningful way in this game. Im getting connected to a very close dedicated server, with "normal" ping, and yet the connection was still bad most of the time.

This renders routers like Netduma and Netgear XR500 mostly useless, because lets be honest- the only reason why those products even exist is the lag in COD games. 99% of ppl who bought those routers hoped to fix lag in COD. However, it cant be fixed with a Netduma nor anything else. Geo restriction wouldnt help either, because youre getting connected to local dedi servers, yet the lag is still there.

And before someone else jumps in "oh but I use it for its QOS abilities etc."- bullchip. All sorts of routers already have very good Qos, like DD-WRT capable router and so on, where you can prevent buffer bloat effectively, even more effectively than with Netduma OS, which by the way is extremely slow, laggy and buggy as well.

Any router like Asus ac68u with Merlin Firmware or Linksys WRT3200ACM with DD-WRT firmware will do a better anti buffer bloat and QOS job than the trashy Netduma router and they are less buggy and laggy as well. The only thing you dont have there is the Geo Setting, but to be very honest, its more of a gimmick than anything else. You might lag less on a host that is 1000 miles away from you, than on a local dedi server. You never know with those console multiplayer games.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: RML on 12:01 PM - 12/06/18
I agree with you about methods, etc. However, that's just COD. I can't play any COD game without these issues coming and going.

The game itself though is still the best one I've played in a long time, maybe ever.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: redacted on 12:40 PM - 12/06/18
lol well... I hear Little Big Planet is a fun game
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: havoxxx on 04:14 PM - 12/06/18
MP is garbage, pretty much giving shų=y kids kills with the specialist abilitys. With out a competitive game mode there is no point to even play game modes like search imho anymore because of all the bullsh_>t added.  Blackout on the other hand makes this game worth playing, I am level 81 and I still love it. I just wish more content and guns where added. Yes I know they are adding hijacked, more levels and armour repair.. but it just needs more things to do.
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: Sl3vin on 11:45 PM - 12/06/18
For me Multiplayer ist the best. Blackout is a bit Shi* with all those kids
Title: Re: Black Ops 4 is the worst Treyarch game and as bad if not worse than IW and WW2
Post by: redacted on 09:06 PM - 12/07/18
For me Multiplayer ist the best. Blackout is a bit Shi* with all those kids

lmao about died at this one, keep 'em coming!