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Title: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: iiSlayGodz on 11:24 PM - 06/09/18
I've noticed my aim after the update has gotten worse. I can't flick at the same spot I used to do before, aim is a lot more slower than before. I don't know if it's the update or something else. I seen other friends who use xim4 complain about the same thing. Aim has gotten a lot worse for me. As a diamond I used to get atleast 8-10k a round and now I can barely get 3 or 4. Could you guys please look into it and see what has happened? Thanks a lot! ;)
Mouse - G502 12k DPI, 1000 Polling Rate
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: iiSlayGodz on 11:46 PM - 06/09/18
Asked other xim4 ps4 diamonds and got this response.
(https://imgur.com/a/eWr1F7K)
https://imgur.com/a/eWr1F7K
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Fidan on 08:00 AM - 06/10/18
I've noticed my aim after the update has gotten worse. I can't flick at the same spot I used to do before, aim is a lot more slower than before. I don't know if it's the update or something else. I seen other friends who use xim4 complain about the same thing. Aim has gotten a lot worse for me. As a diamond I used to get atleast 8-10k a round and now I can barely get 3 or 4. Could you guys please look into it and see what has happened? Thanks a lot! ;)
Mouse - G502 12k DPI, 1000 Polling Rate
I have the same problem
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: mist4fun on 08:57 AM - 06/10/18
It could be aim assist changes or just game performance. This may be the most revisited game that is supported, it can feel different each week but there could be no changes to the look mechanic. I can check the X1 version this week but I'll need to order the PS4 version so this will take longer.
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Fidan on 10:56 AM - 06/10/18
It could be aim assist changes or just game performance. This may be the most revisited game that is supported, it can feel different each week but there could be no changes to the look mechanic. I can check the X1 version this week but I'll need to order the PS4 version so this will take longer.
I'm not sure, but something has changed. I also checked the performance and it's the same as before the update. A look is definitely worth it. :)
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: ChrisV on 11:43 AM - 06/10/18
For me it feels like the delay got increased. I dont know, something has changed but i dont know what.
12000dpi/sync on/ 1000hz / g703
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Insaaniity on 05:08 PM - 06/10/18
Same problem here, aim feels laggy and unresponsive.
I have a g403 4k dpi.

An update would be great.
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: EvenStar1 on 07:25 PM - 06/10/18
In deed. The input delay issue is getting worse.
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Marvzdagreat on 02:57 AM - 06/11/18
I concur. I've been using the rainbow six siege ST since I have been using xim4, upgraded to apex, and I do feel the extra delay and slower sensitivity after the recent update. The difference is kind of hard to explain, you need to be in game to see it. Maybe the old ST needs a bit of tweaking.

I suggest to not base the changes by playing terrorist hunt, the aiming mechanics on TH and in actual ingame match are different.

Kindly please play a casual match and base the changes on there.

10k DPI / 1000 poll rate
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Insaaniity on 05:28 AM - 06/11/18
I concur. I've been using the rainbow six siege ST since I have been using xim4, upgraded to apex, and I do feel the extra delay and slower sensitivity after the recent update. The difference is kind of hard to explain, you need to be in game to see it. Maybe the old ST needs a bit of tweaking.

I suggest to not base the changes by playing terrorist hunt, the aiming mechanics on TH and in actual ingame match are different.

Kindly please play a casual match and base the changes on there.

10k DPI / 1000 poll rate

Yeah you are right, TH aiming feels different from multiplayer games. I don't know if aiming is different also in private match but I don't think so.
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Fidan on 10:58 AM - 06/11/18
It could be aim assist changes or just game performance. This may be the most revisited game that is supported, it can feel different each week but there could be no changes to the look mechanic. I can check the X1 version this week but I'll need to order the PS4 version so this will take longer.
may I ask how long will it take? :)
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: mist4fun on 11:16 AM - 06/11/18
If there is a change you may expect updated support sometime next week. I'll need to wait for fortnite to finish before looking at siege, I'll be able to check the X1 version tomorrow at the earliest.
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Phil Ashio on 12:53 PM - 06/11/18
They're constantly messing with performance. At one point they locked the framerate to 60 whether you chose to turn Vsync on or not and this was when R6s was at it's best. On X1X it always held that and the controls were crisp and responsive. Then they unlocked the framerate and you'd sometimes hit 200 fps and sometimes dip as low as 75 but either way it did have an impact on consistency of feel and the tearing was awful.
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: mist4fun on 01:01 PM - 06/11/18
Yeah, I've noticed that. More often then not there are no changes to the look mechanic when people report aim issues in this game.
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Insaaniity on 01:37 PM - 06/11/18
On ps4 (not the pro one ) when firing sometimes fps drops to 50.  Maybe is this the cause? Aiming feel very delayed right now.

Btw we are waiting for a look at the ST.

Thank you for helping us.
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: parni on 01:46 PM - 06/11/18
It could be aim assist changes or just game performance. This may be the most revisited game that is supported, it can feel different each week but there could be no changes to the look mechanic. I can check the X1 version this week but I'll need to order the PS4 version so this will take longer.

the game has no aim assist! just in terrorist hunt and TH look mechanic differs alot.
dont tell me u did the ST based on TH mode...
that would be ... just yikes
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Fidan on 02:41 PM - 06/11/18
It could be aim assist changes or just game performance. This may be the most revisited game that is supported, it can feel different each week but there could be no changes to the look mechanic. I can check the X1 version this week but I'll need to order the PS4 version so this will take longer.

the game has no aim assist! just in terrorist hunt and TH look mechanic differs alot.
dont tell me u did the ST based on TH mode...
that would be ... just yikes
he could not know that. But it would be good to do an ST in multiplayer and not at terrorist hunt
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: piiwii on 06:55 PM - 06/11/18
It could be aim assist changes or just game performance. This may be the most revisited game that is supported, it can feel different each week but there could be no changes to the look mechanic. I can check the X1 version this week but I'll need to order the PS4 version so this will take longer.

the game has no aim assist! just in terrorist hunt and TH look mechanic differs alot.
dont tell me u did the ST based on TH mode...
that would be ... just yikes

He hasn't, don't worry.
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: mist4fun on 07:23 PM - 06/11/18
On ps4 (not the pro one ) when firing sometimes fps drops to 50.  Maybe is this the cause? Aiming feel very delayed right now.

Btw we are waiting for a look at the ST.

Thank you for helping us.

Thank you for the report. I'll take a look at both platforms and share results when available.
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: EvenStar1 on 08:14 PM - 06/11/18
On ps4 (not the pro one ) when firing sometimes fps drops to 50.  Maybe is this the cause? Aiming feel very delayed right now.

Btw we are waiting for a look at the ST.

Thank you for helping us.
I don't think it is the frame rate dropping issue. Frankly, I like the feeling in TH with frame rate goes down to 30, but not at all in MP with it up to 60, because it just feels more responsive in TH regardless of the frame rate. However, you can even feel the input delay in TH (not as responsive as it was) after the update, not to mention in MP. Thank you ubisoft.
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: r553 on 09:07 PM - 06/11/18
On ps4 (not the pro one ) when firing sometimes fps drops to 50.  Maybe is this the cause? Aiming feel very delayed right now.

Btw we are waiting for a look at the ST.

Thank you for helping us.
I don't think it is the frame rate dropping issue. Frankly, I like the feeling in TH with frame rate goes down to 30, but not at all in MP with it up to 60, because it just feels more responsive in TH regardless of the frame rate. However, you can even feel the input delay in TH (not as responsive as it was) after the update, not to mention in MP. Thank you ubisoft.

Exactly. For some reason it just feels a lot more responsive in terrorist hunt.
I can pretty much flick like I can on PC
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Fidan on 08:04 AM - 06/12/18
On ps4 (not the pro one ) when firing sometimes fps drops to 50.  Maybe is this the cause? Aiming feel very delayed right now.

Btw we are waiting for a look at the ST.

Thank you for helping us.
I don't think it is the frame rate dropping issue. Frankly, I like the feeling in TH with frame rate goes down to 30, but not at all in MP with it up to 60, because it just feels more responsive in TH regardless of the frame rate. However, you can even feel the input delay in TH (not as responsive as it was) after the update, not to mention in MP. Thank you ubisoft.

Exactly. For some reason it just feels a lot more responsive in terrorist hunt.
I can pretty much flick like I can on PC
I already realised that. It feels more precise
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: sizzerb on 10:02 AM - 06/12/18
I think on the Xim4 it was much better Rainbow Six victories because it was worse in terrorists hunt and much better in the multiplayer area. In the apex unfortunately the other way round :(
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Insaaniity on 12:25 PM - 06/12/18
I tried right now TH and the aim is pretty perfect with this ST. We need a similar conversion for multy.
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: mist4fun on 12:34 PM - 06/12/18
I just checked the X1 version and there are no changes. I'll be receiving the PS4 version this week and I'll share an update when I'm able to check it.
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: parni on 01:09 PM - 06/12/18
I just checked the X1 version and there are no changes. I'll be receiving the PS4 version this week and I'll share an update when I'm able to check it.

its prolly hard work and time consuming, but can u give us an alternativ ST.
An experimental ST so to say.
I recommend using lowest deadzone value for best responsiveness.

I use Starwars Battlefront 2 for r6s its way better for me.
Mainly the ADS ST rocks for r6s.
Adjust deadzone to ur liking.
Myb other ppl  will like it.


Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Insaaniity on 03:46 PM - 06/12/18
I just checked the X1 version and there are no changes. I'll be receiving the PS4 version this week and I'll share an update when I'm able to check it.

its prolly hard work and time consuming, but can u give us an alternativ ST.
An experimental ST so to say.
I recommend using lowest deadzone value for best responsiveness.

I use Starwars Battlefront 2 for r6s its way better for me.
Mainly the ADS ST rocks for r6s.
Adjust deadzone to ur liking.
Myb other ppl  will like it.

What is your setting with this configuration?
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: parni on 05:33 PM - 06/12/18
I just checked the X1 version and there are no changes. I'll be receiving the PS4 version this week and I'll share an update when I'm able to check it.

its prolly hard work and time consuming, but can u give us an alternativ ST.
An experimental ST so to say.
I recommend using lowest deadzone value for best responsiveness.

I use Starwars Battlefront 2 for r6s its way better for me.
Mainly the ADS ST rocks for r6s.
Adjust deadzone to ur liking.
Myb other ppl  will like it.

What is your setting with this configuration?

500HZ
Sync: Common
x/y ration 0.85
smoothing 5
dpi 4000
no curves
works for me
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: iiSlayGodz on 01:15 AM - 06/13/18
I just checked the X1 version and there are no changes. I'll be receiving the PS4 version this week and I'll share an update when I'm able to check it.
Thanks a lot for the work you're putting in for us PS4 players. Patiently waiting for the response.
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Insaaniity on 04:31 AM - 06/14/18
I just checked the X1 version and there are no changes. I'll be receiving the PS4 version this week and I'll share an update when I'm able to check it.

its prolly hard work and time consuming, but can u give us an alternativ ST.
An experimental ST so to say.
I recommend using lowest deadzone value for best responsiveness.

I use Starwars Battlefront 2 for r6s its way better for me.
Mainly the ADS ST rocks for r6s.
Adjust deadzone to ur liking.
Myb other ppl  will like it.

What is your setting with this configuration?

500HZ
Sync: Common
x/y ration 0.85
smoothing 5
dpi 4000
no curves
works for me

Thank you, I really like this ST. The hip is a bit laggy but with the ads I can control recoil like pc, miles better than the R6 one.
Title: Re: Rainvow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Fidan on 05:48 AM - 06/16/18
I just checked the X1 version and there are no changes. I'll be receiving the PS4 version this week and I'll share an update when I'm able to check it.
is there something new on the PS4? :)
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: mist4fun on 08:28 AM - 06/16/18
I'll have to check if the game was delivered last night. If it was then I should have something by this afternoon.
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Fidan on 08:34 AM - 06/16/18
I'll have to check if the game was delivered last night. If it was then I should have something by this afternoon.
You are great! Really, that's the best forum I've ever been to. Thank you for everything! :)
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Marvzdagreat on 09:10 PM - 06/16/18
We appreciate your work, mist4fun. Hopefully we get some kind of update if the old ST do need to be change. When I play TH, the aim is as almost as perfect without any delay, I'm wishing the new ST would feel something close to it.
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Vinotauro on 09:29 PM - 06/16/18
Patiently awaiting a new ST :)
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Fidan on 07:30 AM - 06/17/18
I'll have to check if the game was delivered last night. If it was then I should have something by this afternoon.
Is the game already delivered? What's new? :)
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: mist4fun on 08:36 AM - 06/17/18
We appreciate your work, mist4fun. Hopefully we get some kind of update if the old ST do need to be change. When I play TH, the aim is as almost as perfect without any delay, I'm wishing the new ST would feel something close to it.

Game performance varies between modes but the look mechanic is the same.

Patiently awaiting a new ST :)

To be clear, this is just a check to see if there are differences in support versus the current look mechanic.
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Vinotauro on 09:36 AM - 06/17/18
We appreciate your work, mist4fun. Hopefully we get some kind of update if the old ST do need to be change. When I play TH, the aim is as almost as perfect without any delay, I'm wishing the new ST would feel something close to it.

Game performance varies between modes but the look mechanic is the same.

Patiently awaiting a new ST :)

To be clear, this is just a check to see if there are differences in support versus the current look mechanic.

Thanks for the check up. To be honest it's not a huge difference but still noticeable. Maybe I should other members settings.
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: mist4fun on 12:38 PM - 06/17/18
The look mechanic on PS4 has changed a bit. I'm training the game on both platforms overnight. I'll take a closer look at the X1 results afterward. I would like to have updated Siege support be ready for the Fortnite and Conan update which I'll have finished this week but this is not an ETA for release.
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Fidan on 02:05 PM - 06/17/18
The look mechanic on PS4 has changed a bit. I'm training the game on both platforms overnight. I'll take a closer look at the X1 results afterward. I would like to have updated Siege support be ready for the Fortnite and Conan update which I'll have finished this week but this is not an ETA for release.
Thanks a lot! :)
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: iiSlayGodz on 02:31 PM - 06/17/18
The look mechanic on PS4 has changed a bit. I'm training the game on both platforms overnight. I'll take a closer look at the X1 results afterward. I would like to have updated Siege support be ready for the Fortnite and Conan update which I'll have finished this week but this is not an ETA for release.
Thank You mist. Really appreciate the time you're putting into it.
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: piiwii on 11:59 PM - 06/17/18
The look mechanic on PS4 has changed a bit. I'm training the game on both platforms overnight. I'll take a closer look at the X1 results afterward. I would like to have updated Siege support be ready for the Fortnite and Conan update which I'll have finished this week but this is not an ETA for release.

Are you able to tell at this point whether the change was for the better or worse? Or will it make zero difference once you have the ST trained?
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: mist4fun on 08:08 AM - 06/18/18
No, unless there is large obvious change then this observation would need to be made when completed.
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: r553 on 12:53 AM - 06/19/18
Thanks! Following this thread to see if there are any X1 changes.
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Fidan on 08:53 AM - 06/19/18
No, unless there is large obvious change then this observation would need to be made when completed.
News?  :)
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: mist4fun on 09:49 AM - 06/19/18
Working on this today and tomorrow.
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: mist4fun on 12:17 PM - 06/19/18
Are there current known game menu/setting bugs?
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: ChrisV on 12:19 PM - 06/19/18
Working on this today and tomorrow.

work faster!
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Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: r553 on 12:20 PM - 06/19/18
Are there current known game menu/setting bugs?

Are you talking about that old bug where your deadzone settings would be different when you relaunch the game, even though they appeared to not change?

I believe that was fixed a while ago.
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: mist4fun on 12:32 PM - 06/19/18
Yes, similar to that. The last time I had Siege I was training with other deadzone values to check if this would improve granularity using scopes. It doesn't. When checking Siege this week I changed the deadzone back to 10, ran a quick trainer check and noticed the deadzone and acceleration were off. The game didn't actually change the deadzone, it only changed in the game menu. Today the deadzone value is different than it was yesterday, even though it still shows 10 in the game menu. The current deadzone value matches current support, this may explain why I didn't see a change on X1 but did on PS4, a game bug. I'll run more tests.
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: r553 on 12:50 PM - 06/19/18
Yes, similar to that. The last time I had Siege I was training with other deadzone values to check if this would improve granularity using scopes. It doesn't. When checking Siege this week I changed the deadzone back to 10, ran a quick trainer check and noticed the deadzone and acceleration were off. The game didn't actually change the deadzone, it only changed in the game menu. Today the deadzone value is different than it was yesterday, even though it still shows 10 in the game menu. The current deadzone value matches current support, this may explain why I didn't see a change on X1 but did on PS4, a game bug. I'll run more tests.

Good luck. From what I hear, this game has a lot of issues :)
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: mist4fun on 01:19 PM - 06/19/18
Sorry for the false alarm everyone, there are no changes to the look mechanic on PS4. On a side note, this game had me complete a new ST for no reason.. ugh.
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Insaaniity on 01:31 PM - 06/19/18
Sorry for the false alarm everyone, there are no changes to the look mechanic on PS4. On a side note, this game had me complete a new ST for no reason.. ugh.

So no new ST for us?
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: r553 on 02:23 PM - 06/19/18
Sorry for the false alarm everyone, there are no changes to the look mechanic on PS4. On a side note, this game had me complete a new ST for no reason.. ugh.

So no new ST for us?

I would assume no, because there were no changes.
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: iiSlayGodz on 12:23 AM - 06/20/18
Sorry for the false alarm everyone, there are no changes to the look mechanic on PS4. On a side note, this game had me complete a new ST for no reason.. ugh.
So why does the T Hunt aim is way faster than Pvp? T Hunt aim and acceleration is same as it was before the update whereas the multiplayer is complete different and absolute slow compared to the older(pvp)/(current terrorst hunt) version.
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: Insaaniity on 02:54 AM - 06/20/18
Sorry for the false alarm everyone, there are no changes to the look mechanic on PS4. On a side note, this game had me complete a new ST for no reason.. ugh.
So why does the T Hunt aim is way faster than Pvp? T Hunt aim and acceleration is same as it was before the update whereas the multiplayer is complete different and absolute slow compared to the older(pvp)/(current terrorst hunt) version.

Yeah, I don't understand how this is possibile.
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: piiwii on 07:15 AM - 06/20/18
The explanation is easy.

The performance of this game (PvP) is getting progressively worse with each update. So it's diverging further and further away from T-hunt, which has remained consistent(ly bad).
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: EvenStar1 on 06:50 PM - 06/20/18
The explanation is easy.

The performance of this game (PvP) is getting progressively worse with each update. So it's diverging further and further away from T-hunt, which has remained consistent(ly bad).
Now I got a reason to buy ps4 pro.
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: piiwii on 07:22 PM - 06/20/18
I'm a frame rate fanatic, so I have the framerate analyser turned on 100% of the time.

Up until 2-3 seasons ago, it was pretty much a lock. You'd see it go down to 57 or 58 frames very rarely, generally when you were outside.

Then it started hitting 55fps, but again, only outside and only at the start of a round when it didn't really matter.

Over the last few seasons we were seeing it drop to the low 50's when INSIDE.

I have now been told it can go as low as 45fps this season.

I couldn't take it anymore and upgraded to a Pro even though I don't have a 4k TV. I don't care about graphics - framerate is all that matters to me. I'm so glad I upgraded just in time for Para Bellum. My head would explode seeing 45fps.

I would recommend a Pro if you're obsessed with Siege like me. I've been watching it like a hawk and I've only seen it drop very rarely, so it's kind of like returning to base PS4 during the first 6 seasons.

The only time I've seen it drop in large numbers is when I spam the crap out of Maestro / Alibi's shotgun, which I only really do when I'm stuffing around in Casual. But otherwise, so far so good.

ALSO if you're on base PS4, for the love of god don't use the Common Sync setting in Apex. This only works for games that are locked at 60fps.
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: abruzzi81 on 01:31 AM - 06/24/18
hello, then after the update what would be the best configuration according to you so that it is the closest thing 1: 1 to ps4 pro with a g502,
thank you and sorry for my english :'( :'(
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: CAL50vengeance on 02:44 AM - 06/24/18
Piiwii what sync do u prefer? I play on ps4 pro maybe thats why I havnt felt any issues? I use default right now but is it better with common or off? I still cabt really tell any different feeling. Maybe because I never played on pc to know what it should feel like.
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: CAL50vengeance on 02:48 AM - 06/24/18
And a last question I forgot to ask.. the latest version of siege in the app is name 4.3 right?
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: mist4fun on 07:25 AM - 06/24/18
Yes, the latest version is .3
Title: Re: Rainbow Six Siege aim after the update?
Post by: CAL50vengeance on 04:57 AM - 06/27/18
Thx mist4fun. Do u have any recommended settings regarding Siege. Sync for ps4 pro? I use Zowie Za 13 on 3200dpi default curve I dont know what hz I play best with for this mouse have tried both 1000hz and 500hz.