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Title: Tutorial - Best Mouse & XIM Polling Rate
Post by: Od1n on 04:45 PM - 05/25/18
let me know if you guys would like to see more videos :)


Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPWwpB9jFa0


Link to previous tutorials:

How To Increase & Decrease Aim Assist: http://community.xim.tech/index.php?topic=66110.0
Best XIM Mouse DPI Settings: http://community.xim.tech/index.php?topic=65749.0
How To Find Your Perfect Mouse Sensitivity: http://community.xim.tech/index.php?topic=60845.0
Title: Re: Tutorial - Best Mouse & XIM Polling Rate
Post by: nutnsbolts on 05:05 PM - 05/25/18
Most definitely. These are the videos that really help understand. I would love to see the following:

How boost works?
How smoothing should be applied?
Maybe even adjusting and creating curves in general?

Seeing it visually really helped like your videos!
Title: Re: Tutorial - Best Mouse & XIM Polling Rate
Post by: Blue0ce4N on 06:48 PM - 05/25/18
Thank you odin for this video.It helps me choose the best polling rate for my mouse.
Title: Re: Tutorial - Best Mouse & XIM Polling Rate
Post by: jd394y on 07:05 PM - 05/25/18
thank you so much for taking the time to make these videos, they have helped out ALOT! QUESTION.... so with the resources you have provided about mouse polling rate I ran some tests and would like your opinion.

Mouse: Logitech G903 (Capable of 12k DPI, running: 4,000 DPI)
Test: Direct Input Mouse rate
500hz test: averaged 509 / Peak: 515
1000hz test: averaged 1019 /  peak: 1039Hz

so should i go with 500hz since the average and peak are closer to the polling rate where as 1000 is farther away where it should be?

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Tutorial - Best Mouse & XIM Polling Rate
Post by: biscojoe on 12:28 AM - 05/26/18
thank you so much for taking the time to make these videos, they have helped out ALOT! QUESTION.... so with the resources you have provided about mouse polling rate I ran some tests and would like your opinion.

Mouse: Logitech G903 (Capable of 12k DPI, running: 4,000 DPI)
Test: Direct Input Mouse rate
500hz test: averaged 509 / Peak: 515
1000hz test: averaged 1019 /  peak: 1039Hz

so should i go with 500hz since the average and peak are closer to the polling rate where as 1000 is farther away where it should be?

Thanks in advance!

I was wondering this as well. On the mouserate program my 1k hz polls at 999 constant pretty much... the Hz goes over 1,000 often, sometimes up to 50 or past, but so does 500...... On the direct input test it reads like yours says, my peak is higher on 1000hz then it is on 500hz, it stays at about 511-515 compared to 1021-1027... does that mean 500hz is more stable?

I remember always overclocking my old school mice to 500hz and not bothering with 1k, but i know with todays mice it's kind of obvious these can poll 1k. Or marketing? lol. That's why i've considered the finalmouse, I have the old one from 2015.. bit outdated though. Its locked at 500 lol.

But why does my 500hz tests show the same kind of as 1k? The Hz goes over the average but the results on the direct input test "claim" its more stable on 500hz i guess since the peak is lower??? Am I understanding this correctly?
Title: Re: Tutorial - Best Mouse & XIM Polling Rate
Post by: Od1n on 12:27 PM - 05/30/18
thank you so much for taking the time to make these videos, they have helped out ALOT! QUESTION.... so with the resources you have provided about mouse polling rate I ran some tests and would like your opinion.

Mouse: Logitech G903 (Capable of 12k DPI, running: 4,000 DPI)
Test: Direct Input Mouse rate
500hz test: averaged 509 / Peak: 515
1000hz test: averaged 1019 /  peak: 1039Hz

so should i go with 500hz since the average and peak are closer to the polling rate where as 1000 is farther away where it should be?

Thanks in advance!

yes go with 500hz
to double check you can use the mouserate.exe its the best test out of the three since you can scroll through the individual reports
Title: Re: Tutorial - Best Mouse & XIM Polling Rate
Post by: Od1n on 12:31 PM - 05/30/18
I was wondering this as well. On the mouserate program my 1k hz polls at 999 constant pretty much... the Hz goes over 1,000 often, sometimes up to 50 or past, but so does 500...... On the direct input test it reads like yours says, my peak is higher on 1000hz then it is on 500hz, it stays at about 511-515 compared to 1021-1027... does that mean 500hz is more stable?

I remember always overclocking my old school mice to 500hz and not bothering with 1k, but i know with todays mice it's kind of obvious these can poll 1k. Or marketing? lol. That's why i've considered the finalmouse, I have the old one from 2015.. bit outdated though. Its locked at 500 lol.

But why does my 500hz tests show the same kind of as 1k? The Hz goes over the average but the results on the direct input test "claim" its more stable on 500hz i guess since the peak is lower??? Am I understanding this correctly?

you will always have a minor jitter on the polling, its how the mice are made so you cannot undo this
the question is at which polling is the jitter in an acceptable range, +/- 50hz jitter or even more is quite significant while having a jitter of less than 20 is much better

next to that you also have to look into how often your mouse hits the desired polling rate in the individual reports (with +/- 1hz) so say 499, 500 and 501
when you have a jitter of around 50 then this sounds like you hardly hit the 1000hz but its more like 1020, 950, 1050, ... and just on average is 999 or 1000
Title: Re: Tutorial - Best Mouse & XIM Polling Rate
Post by: biscojoe on 01:26 PM - 05/30/18
I noticed I see my polling rate hit 499,500,501 a lot more then i see 999,1000,1001. it still jumps on 500hz but not as much as 1000 i suppose... on the other program my peak is 20 Hz+ on 1000 and only about 11-12+ peak on 500. I'm assuming I should use 500 then?
Title: Re: Tutorial - Best Mouse & XIM Polling Rate
Post by: Od1n on 01:27 PM - 05/30/18
yes go with 500hz then, let me know how it works out for you and if your mouse movements feel more stable (as in less jittery)
Title: Re: Tutorial - Best Mouse & XIM Polling Rate
Post by: roads on 11:56 PM - 11/13/18
Alright I checked the G403 and the G-pro wireless if they can do the Kilohertz compared to the G-pro wired which is perfect at 1000hz is deviates 10hz at 12000 DPI. And there comes the point, the DPI.
The G503 does not make it at 12kdpi goes down to 950 never reaches 1000hz well. I Did not test the G305 at lower DPI as I am not interested in DPI lower than 12K a I am a high sens player.  Neither does the G-pro wireless at 16000 DPI but it does well as wired at 12k DPI.

So:
G-pro wired at 12K DPI - 1000 hz - perfect really keeps that 1000hz
G-pro wireless 12K DPI- 1000 hz perfect, fails at 16K
G305 12K DPI - 500 hz perfect
, fails at 1000 hz

Question to Obsiv how much deviation from 1000hz is tolerable? What deviation will be seen on the screen? Something like should not go under x hz so XIM can compensate.
Title: Re: Tutorial - Best Mouse & XIM Polling Rate
Post by: roads on 12:24 AM - 11/14/18
Testing this on and the G-pro wired does not keep the 1000 constantly averages at 940-950. They all do keep the 500hz steady. Seems to me it does not make sense to buy a G-Pro wireless over a G305 as they both perform super stable at 500hz. Will test ingame if I see a difference between G305 12K and G-Pro 16K at 500hz.

Edit:
Yeah G-Pro wireless runs nicely at 16K with 500 hz deviating up to 5 hz. So if 940hz at 1000hz Xim is bad then there is no reason to get the wired G-pro. At 500hz 12K the G 305 performs as well as the G-pro wireless. G-Pro wireless if you want 16K DPI. 
Title: Re: Tutorial - Best Mouse & XIM Polling Rate
Post by: Od1n on 12:02 PM - 11/14/18
how does it do in wired mode? (or is the gpro always wireless and only charges via wire?

my g502 gets pretty close to 1000hz, usually 980-989
only my zowie gets constant 1000-999hz

(both are wired though)
Title: Re: Tutorial - Best Mouse & XIM Polling Rate
Post by: BLM3L3SS on 10:22 PM - 02/26/19
Hey guys I have a question! I drop my DPI from 12k to 3200 dpi! But I still suffer from mayor stutter why? Running Synch OFF & 500hz on my logictech g502!! I thought running at a lower DPI would help with less stutter?thanks
Title: Re: Tutorial - Best Mouse & XIM Polling Rate
Post by: Od1n on 10:32 AM - 02/28/19
Hey guys I have a question! I drop my DPI from 12k to 3200 dpi! But I still suffer from mayor stutter why? Running Synch OFF & 500hz on my logictech g502!! I thought running at a lower DPI would help with less stutter?thanks

sync off usually cases some major stutter in a lot of games, try sync default (or even better sync common) and your mouse stutter should be gone
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Title: Re: Tutorial - Best Mouse & XIM Polling Rate
Post by: Ezechiele on 11:57 PM - 06/20/21
let me know if you guys would like to see more videos :)


Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPWwpB9jFa0


Link to previous tutorials:

How To Increase & Decrease Aim Assist: http://community.xim.tech/index.php?topic=66110.0
Best XIM Mouse DPI Settings: http://community.xim.tech/index.php?topic=65749.0
How To Find Your Perfect Mouse Sensitivity: http://community.xim.tech/index.php?topic=60845.0
Ciao io sto usando la xim da pc per poter utilizzare l'aim astiss con mouse e tastiera. Volevo sapere se i 500 hz di polling rate vanno bene anche per me o se devo continuare a tenerlo a 1000 hz . Grazie
Title: Re: Tutorial - Best Mouse & XIM Polling Rate
Post by: Od1n on 06:52 AM - 06/21/21
Ciao io sto usando la xim da pc per poter utilizzare l'aim astiss con mouse e tastiera. Volevo sapere se i 500 hz di polling rate vanno bene anche per me o se devo continuare a tenerlo a 1000 hz . Grazie

Hey,

that is something that no one has really tested yet i think. In theory 500hz should be better but maybe give both a try and let us know what is better :).
Title: Re: Tutorial - Best Mouse & XIM Polling Rate
Post by: Ezechiele on 04:44 PM - 06/21/21
Ciao io sto usando la xim da pc per poter utilizzare l'aim astiss con mouse e tastiera. Volevo sapere se i 500 hz di polling rate vanno bene anche per me o se devo continuare a tenerlo a 1000 hz . Grazie

Hey,

that is something that no one has really tested yet i think. In theory 500hz should be better but maybe give both a try and let us know what is better :).
hello sorry my bad english :) i tried with razen mouse with 3500 dpi and P-R 500 hx and 1000 hz. I must say that the Aim Asstiss works much better with 500 hz, both close and very far away. In my opinion the xim used on PC with mouse and keyboard gives a lot of satisfaction, pleasant surprise :)
I did my texts on Warzone with game setting aim asstiss standard dead zone 07 and levers 20 20 with xbox one controller connected to xim. Value FOV 110. With Polling rate at 500 hz the strength of the aimm asstiss is much stronger and faster than 1000 hz, I ran several tests with different weapons with both settings. Hope it helps :)