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Title: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: Mazen al shami on 10:02 PM - 04/07/18
So when i got my apex my mouse highest dpi back then was 3200 and my xim sens was bettwen 30 40 but i saw people talk in this community about if you have higher dpi and i lower xim sens it will be better ... so i got razer naga and it was Not cheap so i put it to16k dpi and 1000 hz.... and i lowerd my xim sens as many people told me hereto like 10  .... and it was nice moving on hip ... but when i ads on bf1 i cant make tiny movment ..... my friend told me that its beacuse of the 16k dpi ..... is that right ?? Plz answer me cuz i  bought this mouse just for xim
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: antithesis on 11:23 PM - 04/07/18
10 sens @ 12K = 20 sens @ 6K = 30 sens @ 4K = 40 sens @ 3K. They're all the same.

The reason high DPI mice are recommended is simply because they use more modern, better sensors than most mice. The reason max DPI is recommended is to pull people's mindsets away from really low DPI values like 400 and 800 typically seen on PC, because those DPI settings tend to cause interpolation and pixel-skipping on a Xim.

All you need for optimal performance on a Xim is a mouse capable of around 3000 DPI with a decent sensor under the hood. If you've got an older mouse with a 3310 Pixart optical sensor running at 3200 DPI (e.g most Zowie mice), there's no need to replace it with a 3360 Pixart sensor running at 12K (most Logitech mice), or a 3389 Pixart sensor running at 16K (new Razer mice).

The performance difference on Pixart sensors from 3200 to 16000 DPI is negligible and if anything, you're adding jitter into the mix by going with ultra-high DPI.

If you want to play it safe and go for a "one size fits all" mouse setting, I'd go with 3200 DPI and 500Hz polling, as long as you're using a mouse with a Pixart 3310, 3360, 3366 or 3389 sensor, which is most gaming mice from the last few years.

Steer clear of laser sensors whenever possible, especially Razer mice with "3G" or "4G" laser sensors. They are almost without fail complete crap on a Xim.
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: Domenic.HRO on 04:09 AM - 04/08/18
10 sens @ 12K = 20 sens @ 6K = 30 sens @ 4K = 40 sens @ 3K. They're all the same.

The reason high DPI mice are recommended is simply because they use more modern, better sensors than most mice. The reason max DPI is recommended is to pull people's mindsets away from really low DPI values like 400 and 800 typically seen on PC, because those DPI settings tend to cause interpolation and pixel-skipping on a Xim.

All you need for optimal performance on a Xim is a mouse capable of around 3000 DPI with a decent sensor under the hood. If you've got an older mouse with a 3310 Pixart optical sensor running at 3200 DPI (e.g most Zowie mice), there's no need to replace it with a 3360 Pixart sensor running at 12K (most Logitech mice), or a 3389 Pixart sensor running at 16K (new Razer mice).

The performance difference on Pixart sensors from 3200 to 16000 DPI is negligible and if anything, you're adding jitter into the mix by going with ultra-high DPI.

If you want to play it safe and go for a "one size fits all" mouse setting, I'd go with 3200 DPI and 500Hz polling, as long as you're using a mouse with a Pixart 3310, 3360, 3366 or 3389 sensor, which is most gaming mice from the last few years.

Steer clear of laser sensors whenever possible, especially Razer mice with "3G" or "4G" laser sensors. They are almost without fail complete crap on a Xim.

Hello I have the Logitech G502. He has the sensor 3366 if I understood correctly. It does not keep the 1000 Hz pooling 100%. He runs at 900,950,980,1000 in the change. Should I set my apex pooling to 1000 Hz and set my mouse to 500 Hz?So he can keep the 500 Hz to 100%.I use playstation 4 pro. Is it better to set apex to 250 and mouse also to 250 Hz pooling? Thank you for help.
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: antithesis on 04:26 AM - 04/08/18
If you find your G502 is a little jittery or skips pixels every now and then due to not holding a steady 1000Hz polling, drop down to 500Hz on both the Apex and the mouse.

There's no need to go lower, your mouse should have no trouble holding 500Hz.
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: Charles P on 09:48 AM - 04/08/18
Ya, I can understand your point. I play BF1 with Corsairís new Glaive mouse. Itís capable of 16,000 dpi, so I set it to that and it was absurdly jittery with precision ADS shots. Like you would move the mouse a centimeter and it would move too quick and too far. I set it down to 12,000 and I would say thatís still too much. Maybe 10,000 is good.
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: slickrick on 11:31 AM - 04/08/18
I don't think all DPIs are the same. I'm left handed and only have 1 mouse that's left hand only, the death adder e. it fits my hand perfect with 4500 DPI. I have 2 mice that's left or right hand. g903 12000DPI and razer lance head tournament edition 12000DPI. the two that don't fit my hand as good, but seems to work better and are more responsive  .
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: slickrick on 11:34 AM - 04/08/18
Ya, I can understand your point. I play BF1 with Corsairís new Glaive mouse. Itís capable of 16,000 dpi, so I set it to that and it was absurdly jittery with precision ADS shots. Like you would move the mouse a centimeter and it would move too quick and too far. I set it down to 12,000 and I would say thatís still too much. Maybe 10,000 is good.
it should be a 1 to 1 ratio, unless you have boost on. with the high DPI mice you don't need smoothing as well.
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: Cyanic on 12:13 PM - 04/08/18
10 sens @ 12K = 20 sens @ 6K = 30 sens @ 4K = 40 sens @ 3K. They're all the same.

The reason high DPI mice are recommended is simply because they use more modern, better sensors than most mice. The reason max DPI is recommended is to pull people's mindsets away from really low DPI values like 400 and 800 typically seen on PC, because those DPI settings tend to cause interpolation and pixel-skipping on a Xim.

All you need for optimal performance on a Xim is a mouse capable of around 3000 DPI with a decent sensor under the hood. If you've got an older mouse with a 3310 Pixart optical sensor running at 3200 DPI (e.g most Zowie mice), there's no need to replace it with a 3360 Pixart sensor running at 12K (most Logitech mice), or a 3389 Pixart sensor running at 16K (new Razer mice).

The performance difference on Pixart sensors from 3200 to 16000 DPI is negligible and if anything, you're adding jitter into the mix by going with ultra-high DPI.

If you want to play it safe and go for a "one size fits all" mouse setting, I'd go with 3200 DPI and 500Hz polling, as long as you're using a mouse with a Pixart 3310, 3360, 3366 or 3389 sensor, which is most gaming mice from the last few years.

Steer clear of laser sensors whenever possible, especially Razer mice with "3G" or "4G" laser sensors. They are almost without fail complete crap on a Xim.

Hello I have the Logitech G502. He has the sensor 3366 if I understood correctly. It does not keep the 1000 Hz pooling 100%. He runs at 900,950,980,1000 in the change. Should I set my apex pooling to 1000 Hz and set my mouse to 500 Hz?So he can keep the 500 Hz to 100%.I use playstation 4 pro. Is it better to set apex to 250 and mouse also to 250 Hz pooling? Thank you for help.

Keep it at 1000hz that's why apex is so good if you're not using it you're not using the device to its strengths
Start to feel jittery ? Up your smoothing that's what will reduce to jitters
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: antithesis on 04:13 PM - 04/08/18
I don't think all DPIs are the same. I'm left handed and only have 1 mouse that's left hand only, the death adder e. it fits my hand perfect with 4500 DPI. I have 2 mice that's left or right hand. g903 12000DPI and razer lance head tournament edition 12000DPI. the two that don't fit my hand as good, but seems to work better and are more responsive  .
That's the sensor, not the DPI. The lefty DA is one of the crappier Razer 3G or 4G mice I mentioned perform poorly on a Xim.

Keep it at 1000hz that's why apex is so good if you're not using it you're not using the device to its strengths
Start to feel jittery ? Up your smoothing that's what will reduce to jitters
Smoothing can add floatiness and result in less responsive turning. You're better off adjusting Sync first.


As mentioned in other threads, how you want to handle AA also plays into the decision. High DPI tends to cut through into the hitbox better, but exhibits less AA. Low DPI tends to facilitate stickier AA, but can make it harder to enter the hitbox.
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: Mazen al shami on 04:34 AM - 04/09/18
Thx all for responds ...... i played yesterday at 16k with 20 hip sens and 6 ads  125 hz .... is that good ?
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: Razortechrs on 05:24 AM - 04/09/18
Itís funny because Iím seeing all this argument about buying a 16k or 12k mouse. I have several and it still feels like crap honestly. Jittery on pubg and bf1. Micro movements are impossible. Moves a pixel or more when trying to make very fine adjustments. Granted I didnít have this exact issue with my very very low (1600)dpi mouse but at least I could make small adjustments.
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: Mazen al shami on 06:35 AM - 04/09/18
Now i understand mate ... i tested all .... and tried it all ..... trust me ...... play ut with 125hz believe me its tge best no jitter at all ... i play bf1 on 16k dpi with 20 hip sens and 7 ads and i found it fine ... 1000hz is crap
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: antithesis on 06:38 AM - 04/09/18
Itís funny because Iím seeing all this argument about buying a 16k or 12k mouse. I have several and it still feels like crap honestly. Jittery on pubg and bf1. Micro movements are impossible. Moves a pixel or more when trying to make very fine adjustments. Granted I didnít have this exact issue with my very very low (1600)dpi mouse but at least I could make small adjustments.
Jitter is most likely due to environment, like using a cloth pad at high DPI, particles of dirt, hand shake, inability of the mouse to hold a steady 1000Hz etc.

You've got a few options - drop DPI, drop polling, change Sync mode and/or adjust Smoothing. You should find a setting that allow for fine micro movement control, but it'll ultimately depend on your individual requirements.

You can use 1600 DPI, but don't use Sync > Off or you'll hit the Sensitivity cap. Use Sync > Default or Common instead.
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: GitGud on 07:11 AM - 04/09/18
Everyone gets different results. I never had issues with 12k DPI @1000hz on my Rival 600. I have been using hard pad and then upgraded to a hybrid pad, I guess a lot of you are rocking a cloth pad, it is recommended to run under 4k DPI as high resolution will pick up the little fibres of cloth.

I tested both low DPI and high DPI and was night and day difference for me personally. Never experienced any jitter, micro-movements have been absolutely perfect and better than low DPI and Aim-Assist doesn't mess with my aim too much on games that have it.

There is no "high dpi is better" or "low dpi is better". It all depends on what your setup is.
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: Mazen al shami on 08:47 AM - 04/09/18
Btw xim experts ..... why jitter with 16k 1000hz .. even wheb smoothness to max ?
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: PixelSquish on 09:09 AM - 04/09/18
Btw xim experts ..... why jitter with 16k 1000hz .. even wheb smoothness to max ?

are you on a cloth pad or hard pad
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: Cha0s on 09:16 AM - 04/09/18
10 sens @ 12K = 20 sens @ 6K = 30 sens @ 4K = 40 sens @ 3K. They're all the same.

The reason high DPI mice are recommended is simply because they use more modern, better sensors than most mice. The reason max DPI is recommended is to pull people's mindsets away from really low DPI values like 400 and 800 typically seen on PC, because those DPI settings tend to cause interpolation and pixel-skipping on a Xim.

All you need for optimal performance on a Xim is a mouse capable of around 3000 DPI with a decent sensor under the hood. If you've got an older mouse with a 3310 Pixart optical sensor running at 3200 DPI (e.g most Zowie mice), there's no need to replace it with a 3360 Pixart sensor running at 12K (most Logitech mice), or a 3389 Pixart sensor running at 16K (new Razer mice).

The performance difference on Pixart sensors from 3200 to 16000 DPI is negligible and if anything, you're adding jitter into the mix by going with ultra-high DPI.

If you want to play it safe and go for a "one size fits all" mouse setting, I'd go with 3200 DPI and 500Hz polling, as long as you're using a mouse with a Pixart 3310, 3360, 3366 or 3389 sensor, which is most gaming mice from the last few years.

Steer clear of laser sensors whenever possible, especially Razer mice with "3G" or "4G" laser sensors. They are almost without fail complete crap on a Xim.


This little tidbit of information is interesting. I have a naga v1 which uses a 3.5g laser sensor. I've been at it over a week now and still can't find that sweet spot for sensitivity. And Mirco movement has been a nightmare. Guess it's time to buy a new mouse.😫
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: Cyanic on 12:09 PM - 04/10/18
There is no need for excessive dpi...
3500-12000 will be good enough
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: antithesis on 04:41 PM - 04/10/18
Btw xim experts ..... why jitter with 16k 1000hz .. even wheb smoothness to max ?
Crazy high DPI + crazy high polling = every micromovement or environmental imperfection being detected as input.

You don't need either 16K DPI or 1000Hz polling. Both are recommended to simplify the support process. If you want to stick to both, change Sync in your game configs in Xim Manager from Off to Default or Common, that may resolve the jitter. Avoid Smoothing whenever possible, it may tidy up jitter, but it adds floatiness. Minor Smoothing tweaks however are good for fine-tuning Aim Assist.

If Sync doesn't clean up jitter, head to zowie.benq.com/en-eu/support/mouse-rate-checker.html and check if your mouse can hold a steady 1000Hz (many can't and it varies by individual mouse). If it can't, drop both Apex and mouse polling to 500Hz.You won't notice any performance difference between 1ms and 2ms polling.

Finally, there are diminishing returns for DPI above around 3000 DPI. You should notice a miniscule to no difference between 3K & 16K DPI, and you're adding the potential for both jitter and mouse smoothing into the mix by going ultra-high for DPI. I highly recommend checking out Rocket Jump Ninja's great sensor debate videos on YouTube for more info.

Based on sensor testing data, the right DPI value to avoid mouse smoothing may in fact be 1600. However, I don't think it's prominent enough for most people to notice and 1600 is too low on Xim for Sync > Off without hitting the sensitivity cap, so 3200 is the recommended minimum. That said, 1600 DPI is fine for other Sync settings.

This little tidbit of information is interesting. I have a naga v1 which uses a 3.5g laser sensor. I've been at it over a week now and still can't find that sweet spot for sensitivity. And Mirco movement has been a nightmare. Guess it's time to buy a new mouse.😫
Razer's older laser mice are frankly hard work on a Xim. I used Razer exclusively for over a decade (Satanised left-handed affliction) and none of them exhibited the crispy aim I wanted on multiple generations of Xim. I swapped to a Logitech G303 and the difference in the ability to move, track and aim was significantly improved and immediately noticeable.

That's a sensor thing, not brand-related and it's due to the Pixart PMW-3310, 3360, 3366 or 3389 series of optical sensors being leaps and bounds better than anything prior to their arrival. If you want to stick with the familiar, go with a Naga Trinity, which uses a 3389 sensor and comes with full on-board memory (use Synapse 3 beta). If you feel like a change, every recent Logitech gaming mouse is highly regarded, as are the latest few Steelseries mice. Check the Top 40 mice at www.rocketjumpninja.com (http://www.rocketjumpninja.com) and choose your poison.
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: PixelSquish on 05:49 PM - 04/10/18
the only benefit to using higher DPI is supposedly cutting through AA more but I have yet to figure out by how much and if it's worth it. would like to know more.

the other downside to higher DPI is that even your top of the line mouse adds smoothing at values around 3K and up.

happily using 3200DPI and 500hz polling for a bit now.
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: antithesis on 06:00 PM - 04/10/18
the only benefit to using higher DPI is supposedly cutting through AA more but I have yet to figure out by how much and if it's worth it. would like to know more.
Yep, high DPI and polling is better if you want less AA, but it can add jitter and mouse smoothing, so it's swings and roundabouts. Adjusting Sensitivity, Sync and Smoothing at lower DPI can have a similar effect on AA if you're after cut-through.

TSARGA posted an anti-aim-assist curve in Lithe's(?) thread recently, that's pretty much bang-on if you want to play with curves to fight AA.

In the end, if you don't get jitter and don't like AA, stick with high DPI and a hard pad. If jitter is a problem or you want more AA or prefer cloth pads, there's no requirement to stick with max DPI and polling, it may be detrimental to your performance.
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: mattyb98 on 06:06 PM - 04/10/18
I personally with all the mice iv used with xim4 found 3200 dpi to be the best for context i used a qck heavy cloth pad and my mouse of choice now is the zowie ec1-a i have previously used the deathadder chroma g502 and a g pro with all i found 3200dpi better than max (equivalent for the zowie)
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: jd394y on 10:56 PM - 04/10/18
"If Sync doesn't clean up jitter, head to zowie.benq.com/en-eu/support/mouse-rate-checker.html and check if your mouse can hold a steady 1000Hz (many can't and it varies by individual mouse). If it can't, drop both Apex and mouse polling to 500Hz.You won't notice any performance difference between 1ms and 2ms polling."

this is interesting..... im using a logitech G pro mouse with 12k DPI, 1000 polling and last time i checked the website for my polling rate it wasnt keeping a consistent 1000. kept going back and forth between 900-1000. Do you think it would be beneficial for me to drop down to 500 Polling and 500hz in game manager? Would that give me more consistent aim (so to speak) Do you think my mouse is fighting to hit a steady 1000 and conflicting with the manager? I dont have any problems playing at the moment, but always looking to improve.

Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: GitGud on 12:13 AM - 04/11/18
"If Sync doesn't clean up jitter, head to zowie.benq.com/en-eu/support/mouse-rate-checker.html and check if your mouse can hold a steady 1000Hz (many can't and it varies by individual mouse). If it can't, drop both Apex and mouse polling to 500Hz.You won't notice any performance difference between 1ms and 2ms polling."

this is interesting..... im using a logitech G pro mouse with 12k DPI, 1000 polling and last time i checked the website for my polling rate it wasnt keeping a consistent 1000. kept going back and forth between 900-1000. Do you think it would be beneficial for me to drop down to 500 Polling and 500hz in game manager? Would that give me more consistent aim (so to speak) Do you think my mouse is fighting to hit a steady 1000 and conflicting with the manager? I dont have any problems playing at the moment, but always looking to improve.

Mines a consistent 1000hz. Haven't any issues since day 0 and I use retail firmware. I wonder if that is the reason why people experience jitter. But then you said that you are having no problems, are you using beta? Did u have problems before you upgraded?
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: antithesis on 01:05 AM - 04/11/18
Would that give me more consistent aim (so to speak) Do you think my mouse is fighting to hit a steady 1000 and conflicting with the manager? I dont have any problems playing at the moment, but always looking to improve.
If your mouse is not holding 1000Hz then you're dropping input, which will likely result in pixel skipping or jitter.

You can use Sync > Default (120fps), Common (60fps) or Slow (30fps) to counter it, or drop both mouse and Apex to 500Hz and leave Sync on Off. Note that changing Sync does not change the speed the Apex communicates with the console.
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: jalalsami_87 on 05:05 AM - 04/11/18
what if you using Titan two +Xim apex what is the best poling rate is it 1000hz or 500hz
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: jd394y on 11:20 AM - 04/11/18
Would that give me more consistent aim (so to speak) Do you think my mouse is fighting to hit a steady 1000 and conflicting with the manager? I dont have any problems playing at the moment, but always looking to improve.
If your mouse is not holding 1000Hz then you're dropping input, which will likely result in pixel skipping or jitter.

You can use Sync > Default (120fps), Common (60fps) or Slow (30fps) to counter it, or drop both mouse and Apex to 500Hz and leave Sync on Off. Note that changing Sync does not change the speed the Apex communicates with the console.


So if im running Xbox X + APEX @ 1000hz + mouse at 12k DPI, 1000 Polling should i be running stuff on Default or common? ive been running at Common. whats the difference if i switched to Default?  also went back to that website and im averaging around 950 polling. so if YOUR opinion what would YOU do? thanks for the help btw
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: Mazen al shami on 10:33 PM - 04/11/18
Hello again  guyz and im really glad u are there ...... help me plz ... so after i found out tge jittry issue on 1000 or 500 or 250 even though i tried smoothness.... some told that i have to  update since its factory software... so i updated to latest one ... and still jitter ... so i i thought what the hell im gonna go back to 125hz ..... at least no jitter there .... and the surprise was with this update it will jitter even with 125 ...... for the love of god ...... how do i go back into factory frame .... help plz
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: Razortechrs on 11:42 AM - 04/12/18
Hello again  guyz and im really glad u are there ...... help me plz ... so after i found out tge jittry issue on 1000 or 500 or 250 even though i tried smoothness.... some told that i have to  update since its factory software... so i updated to latest one ... and still jitter ... so i i thought what the hell im gonna go back to 125hz ..... at least no jitter there .... and the surprise was with this update it will jitter even with 125 ...... for the love of god ...... how do i go back into factory frame .... help plz
Good luck. Everyone says they have no jitter at 1000hz and I think Iíve just gotten use to it. What mouse are you using? Could be a sensor issue or mousepad issue too
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: ceebs on 03:22 AM - 04/13/18
12k isn't needed at all it's over kill and marketing hype. I wonder if 12k is suggested because some people play on TV's?

12K DPI is useful when using a 4K screen, but not essential. IMO it is mainly marketing. Cramming more and more pixels into a camera's sensor may improve detail, but it also increases noise. But big numbers sell!
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: Mazen al shami on 07:57 AM - 04/13/18
Tried every thing lower sens lowerdpi 125hz ... any thing ... still jitter .... hehehe i think i  got my hope so high in this xim....  any way thx for the the nice community
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: Razortechrs on 10:02 PM - 04/14/18
Tried every thing lower sens lowerdpi 125hz ... any thing ... still jitter .... hehehe i think i  got my hope so high in this xim....  any way thx for the the nice community
Agreed
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: antithesis on 10:46 PM - 04/14/18
Jitter is usually environmental. It's either an issue with the mouse settings (high DPI or polling, or a poor sensor), environment (uncalibrated mousepad, dirt, hair etc) or physical (hand shake, nervous energy).

Xim has several tools to mitigate jitter, but it's largely in your own hands, literally, to solve.
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: Cyanic on 09:23 PM - 04/15/18
Tried every thing lower sens lowerdpi 125hz ... any thing ... still jitter .... hehehe i think i  got my hope so high in this xim....  any way thx for the the nice community

Make sure you're selecting the right console and loading the correct config
If I was to use my ps4 fortnite config on Xbox same settings everything I get a bad jitter if I was to use it on xbox
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: Sangi on 12:46 AM - 04/16/18
Dunno how people get these problems.

I'm using Logitech G502 at 12k DPI, 1000Hz with the Apex, no problem, playing Battlefront 2 on PS4 Pro at 12 hip and 10 ads, everything feels butter smooth compared to the Xim4..
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: said the sky on 12:56 AM - 04/16/18
Depends on your play style and what you like best. I've tried a @#$% load of mice and setups over the past few weeks and there is absolutely no advantage of 12k/16k over a 3200-4000 dpi mouse.

Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: jd394y on 12:07 AM - 04/17/18
so is 3200 DPI preferred over 10-12k dpi?? What would i gain on the APEX if i switch down to 3200, more AA?
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: roads on 01:57 AM - 04/17/18
The XIM does pixeljumps at high sens values. So the goal is to lower the sens as much as possible. High DPI helps lowering the sens so true 12K, yes please.
For the Hz I understand higher Hz is lower lag. So yes 1000hz please.
No?
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: micha16 on 02:13 AM - 04/17/18

Based on sensor testing data, the right DPI value to avoid mouse smoothing may in fact be 1600. However, I don't think it's prominent enough for most people to notice and 1600 is too low on Xim for Sync > Off without hitting the sensitivity cap, so 3200 is the recommended minimum. That said, 1600 DPI is fine for other Sync settings.


so this is the way to go in every game?
DPI to 3200 and Sync off?

I thought you should use the Sync thats fits the game (30 fps, 60fps etc.) ?
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: Razortechrs on 03:42 AM - 04/17/18
So 1600 or 3200? First it was 12k is the best now I need to lower it and turn sync on? I have sync enabled now with 12k but I have it set to default because all options feel odd now
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: mjfame on 04:12 AM - 04/17/18
10 sens @ 12K = 20 sens @ 6K = 30 sens @ 4K = 40 sens @ 3K. They're all the same.

The reason high DPI mice are recommended is simply because they use more modern, better sensors than most mice. The reason max DPI is recommended is to pull people's mindsets away from really low DPI values like 400 and 800 typically seen on PC, because those DPI settings tend to cause interpolation and pixel-skipping on a Xim.

All you need for optimal performance on a Xim is a mouse capable of around 3000 DPI with a decent sensor under the hood. If you've got an older mouse with a 3310 Pixart optical sensor running at 3200 DPI (e.g most Zowie mice), there's no need to replace it with a 3360 Pixart sensor running at 12K (most Logitech mice), or a 3389 Pixart sensor running at 16K (new Razer mice).

The performance difference on Pixart sensors from 3200 to 16000 DPI is negligible and if anything, you're adding jitter into the mix by going with ultra-high DPI.

If you want to play it safe and go for a "one size fits all" mouse setting, I'd go with 3200 DPI and 500Hz polling, as long as you're using a mouse with a Pixart 3310, 3360, 3366 or 3389 sensor, which is most gaming mice from the last few years.

Steer clear of laser sensors whenever possible, especially Razer mice with "3G" or "4G" laser sensors. They are almost without fail complete crap on a Xim.

agreed
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: micha16 on 04:37 AM - 04/17/18
So 1600 or 3200? First it was 12k is the best now I need to lower it and turn sync on? I have sync enabled now with 12k but I have it set to default because all options feel odd now

yeah it's pretty confusing right now at wich point the xim performs the best.. i just want to figure out wich settings to use for rb6
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: lmulli on 04:39 AM - 04/17/18
I've been running my G502 at 3200DPI and 500hz polling, however, I switched it to 12K and 1000Hz polling (despite mouserate.exe showing that the mouse, or any of my other devices aren't stable at 1000hz) and no issues whatsoever with jitter, and that's using a cloth mouse pad - Roccat Taito Control or Cooler Master Swift-RX (do have hard pads but prefer the feel of cloth).

I don't know if its just my perception, but it seems to be better at tracking with this setting - it feels smoother when scoped and keeping track of enemies is easier.


Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: mjfame on 06:01 AM - 04/17/18
So when i got my apex my mouse highest dpi back then was 3200 and my xim sens was bettwen 30 40 but i saw people talk in this community about if you have higher dpi and i lower xim sens it will be better ... so i got razer naga and it was Not cheap so i put it to16k dpi and 1000 hz.... and i lowerd my xim sens as many people told me hereto like 10  .... and it was nice moving on hip ... but when i ads on bf1 i cant make tiny movment ..... my friend told me that its beacuse of the 16k dpi ..... is that right ?? Plz answer me cuz i  bought this mouse just for xim

unfortunately many mice drop extra frames as a form of smoothing at extreme DPI levels 32 frames at 16kdpi with my razer mice  it's terrible. keep your dpi below 1800 and you will only have the minimum 2frame buffer. if you really want to run high dpi without this issue try the g502 it is capable of running 12kdpi with only 2dropped frames. now the g502 3366 sensor feels great for many games at max dpi but battlefield 1 ads was still a bit sluggish for me unless using sync-free.

i've experienced your BF1 issue and you can correct it by using any of these settings which i have used at one time or another. if your naga ony does 500Hz with XIM then divide the sens by 2 for the 1000Hz setups.

800DPI @ 1000Hz and using framerate sync. this will provide a nice controlled and responsive feel. the framesync will make it feel just as smooth as extreme dpi with nosync if not better.

400dpi @125hz with 2 smoothing for both hip and ads with synchronization disabled. my sens was somewhere between 300-333.3. it performed great.

1800dpi 125hz between 60 - 66.66 sens no smooth no sync

1800, 1000hz, 500sens, 20 smooth, no sync.


1600dpi, 1000Hz, Common Sync, 36sens

Under advanced controls enable uniform soldier aiming and leave coefficient at 133 if playing at the default field of view or use 178 for fov of 90. DISABLE your ADS translator on XIM MANAGER also by clearing the activation key.

also, the naga uses a laser sensor and it would be best to use one with an optical especially if using with a cloth mousepad.  one last thing, laser mice have acceleration issues over distance especially at higher dpi.
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: Benjamin720 on 07:02 AM - 04/17/18
Depends on your play style and what you like best. I've tried a @#$% load of mice and setups over the past few weeks and there is absolutely no advantage of 12k/16k over a 3200-4000 dpi mouse.

Well idk if itís just in my head but it seems easier to track with 12k than with lower dpi. Aim assist is there but itís more controllable w/ 12k than with 3200 or at least it feels that way for me (easier to break through bubble if needed). This was my experience with overwatch though.
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: lmulli on 07:47 AM - 04/17/18
Well idk if itís just in my head but it seems easier to track with 12k than with lower dpi. Aim assist is there but itís more controllable w/ 12k than with 3200 or at least it feels that way for me (easier to break through bubble if needed). This was my experience with overwatch though.

I've recently moved back to 12k/1000hz from 3200/500hz and have also noticed that tracking is better (smoother).  Could be a placebo effect, but its certainly reflected in my points score.
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: mjfame on 04:22 AM - 04/18/18
Depends on your play style and what you like best. I've tried a @#$% load of mice and setups over the past few weeks and there is absolutely no advantage of 12k/16k over a 3200-4000 dpi mouse.

Well idk if itís just in my head but it seems easier to track with 12k than with lower dpi. Aim assist is there but itís more controllable w/ 12k than with 3200 or at least it feels that way for me (easier to break through bubble if needed). This was my experience with overwatch though.

Any DPI can work fine with proper config. it's more about how you utilize the DPI in your config with the given settings than anything else.
Title: Re: Is high dpi REALLY better ? I dont think so
Post by: KingRa on 07:15 AM - 04/18/18
I dont think it necessarily matters. If its lower rock higher sensitivity, and if its higher rock lower. Personaly i use 16k Dpi and I think I play fairly well. I posted a 13kill duo in fortnite on my channel https://youtu.be/PQjGwZ8ognc  its preference though.