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Title: THE GREAT M/KB ON CONSOLE "IS IT CHEATING?" DEBATE CRUSHED...
Post by: MaliciousHiccup on 02:37 AM - 02/27/18
ok so using a m/kb is definitely and edge up, but realistically it cant be considered cheating or even an unfair advantage. if it was only accessible to certain people then yea definitely unfair, but as far as i can tell OBsIV doesnt pick and choose who gets one... nor do any of the other m/kb or alternative controller manufacturers. as was mentioned in another forum on a semi not really similar subject sony themselves have licensed a couple. and if you disagree and think that using a mouse is cheating on console, 1.)W T F are you doing on this site in these forums. 2.)cry about it. did it make it better? 3.)if not cry about it again and see if it helps that time.  ;D
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Post by: Axelstrife on 02:54 AM - 02/27/18
ok so using a m/kb is definitely and edge up, but realistically it cant be considered cheating or even an unfair advantage. if it was only accessible to certain people then yea definitely unfair, but as far as i can tell OBsIV doesnt pick and choose who gets one... nor do any of the other m/kb or alternative controller manufacturers. as was mentioned in another forum on a semi not really similar subject sony themselves have licensed a couple. and if you disagree and think that using a mouse is cheating on console, 1.)W T F are you doing on this site in these forums. 2.)cry about it. did it make it better? 3.)if not cry about it again and see if it helps that time.  ;D
It's pointless arguing with anyone saying it's cheating.
There's native mouse and keyboard support for Fortnite Battle Royale on PS4 and people still call anyone using mouse and keyboard a cheater over on the Fortnite Reddit page when anyone of them can just as easily plug a M/KB in and play.
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Post by: Akiiba on 03:16 AM - 02/27/18
Anyone can get it.. It's not only for a closed group of people.. That what makes it not cheating
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Post by: Naj on 04:07 AM - 02/27/18
Not everyone can get it not everyone can afford it . Yes itís cheating on console . Yes it gives huge adavagte . No am not disabled , yes am getting one to get a competitive edge against console players . At least I admit it .
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Post by: Dutch-siege123 on 05:04 AM - 02/27/18
Anyone can also buy straight op wallhacks. Just google it. So that isn't cheating then? Why is it forbidden in ESL on console to use mouse and keyboard adapters if its not considered cheating? Im using xim4 myself but don't say its not cheating. It is.
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Post by: Dutch-siege123 on 05:26 AM - 02/27/18
There's a clear difference between a wall hack and a xim. I get that it's your opinion but coming on here telling everyone they are cheating isn't really the thing to do. Have a nice day.

Whats the difference? What is hacking? The definition ubisoft gives is using 3rd party software, hardware that isn' supported. By that means xim is cheating. Also, with a xim you can use a titan x and put macros in games like rainbow six where you won't have any recoil. Is that fair to you? Because everyone can do it.
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Post by: Od1n on 05:33 AM - 02/27/18
Whats the difference? What is hacking? The definition ubisoft gives is using 3rd party software, hardware that isn' supported. By that means xim is cheating. Also, with a xim you can use a titan x and put macros in games like rainbow six where you won't have any recoil. Is that fair to you? Because everyone can do it.

that paragraph regarding third party hardware in ubisofts game is invalid as its blocked by sonys and microsofts ToS
when a developer releases a game on a console their game has to agree to the ToS of that console manufacturer
sure they can write additional paragraphs into their own terms of useage but if they go against the console ToS then they just have no legal basis to be enforced

Overwatch lately tried to ban mouse and keyboard users from their console games as they considered it to be illegal
however they had to admit they have no legal right to do so as the console manufacturer (in this case sony) regards it as fine
the developers declared to their community that they have to reach out to sony if they want to see a change
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Post by: xTfn02 on 09:27 AM - 02/27/18
This whole topic is similar to pc gaming. Itís not cheating to go out and buy a 144hz monitor, a gtx 1080, and an intel i9. Will those things give you the upper edge, yes. Are those things seen as cheating, no. Donít see how buying equipment that suits you better can be considered cheating. Everybody can buy a 144hz monitor just like everybody can buy a xim, itís not cheating. When it comes to macros however, those are banned on pc as well as console so those are considered cheating but irrelevant to the topic of solely xims being cheating.
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Post by: XIMRocks on 09:44 AM - 02/27/18
It's not a wall hack or aim bot... I been a pc gamer playing statecraft and cs and hf before I gave up and went to consoles because of all the hackers on pc.. I struggled with controllers badly and found out about the xim 1.. once I got the xim  I was owning clans on gamebattles left and right and was climbing the ladder on the rankings.. was I ever good on pc? Not even close. So yes it is cheating on a console but hell, I'm retarded with a controller so f**k it. At least I can play a fps game without anyone using a aimbot or hackers. Even if you consider it a control preference, until Microsoft or game dev allows it officially, its cheating. Hella unfair but not aimbots unfair.
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Post by: grandpops2015 on 10:02 AM - 02/27/18
I myself know alot of console players that use mouse and keyboard openly but I don't know a single person who as been given a ban for using them. plus if like me you can't use your thumbs properly it's classed has having a disability. so can't use the controller properly if they give me a ban I would call that discrimination wouldn't you?? Plus I'd be looking in to it aswell if it did happen to me.
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Post by: Maxxgold on 10:08 AM - 02/27/18
There's a clear difference between a wall hack and a xim. I get that it's your opinion but coming on here telling everyone they are cheating isn't really the thing to do. Have a nice day.

Whats the difference? What is hacking? The definition ubisoft gives is using 3rd party software, hardware that isn' supported. By that means xim is cheating. Also, with a xim you can use a titan x and put macros in games like rainbow six where you won't have any recoil. Is that fair to you? Because everyone can do it.

XIM is definitely not cheating. I get your point about anti recoil, in my view that would be cheating. I havenít purchased a Titan Two, and that is one of the factors I have thought about. I still may pick one up.  At least with scripts though you can combat it. With a XIM, you can pull against the recoil, which does help.

Wall hacking and aim bots are on a whole different level, and if you canít figure out the difference, then Iím not wasting my time trying to explain it to you.

Iím 50, I grew up playing FPS on PCs. Playing shooters with a controller is a terrible experience, and Iím not going to use a lousy controller to play a game that way. The same way I donít play a driving game with a controller,  cause it just doesnít feel right.

The fact that they have to put in Aim Assit for controllers in an FPS game, just goes to show that FPS games should be played with a keyboard and mouse.
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Post by: xNIN3x on 10:10 AM - 02/27/18
Not everyone can get it not everyone can afford it . Yes itís cheating on console . Yes it gives huge adavagte . No am not disabled , yes am getting one to get a competitive edge against console players . At least I admit it .


Everyone can but a console so is not having one cheating 😑
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Post by: MaliciousHiccup on 11:24 AM - 02/27/18
Not everyone can get it not everyone can afford it . Yes itís cheating on console . Yes it gives huge adavagte . No am not disabled , yes am getting one to get a competitive edge against console players . At least I admit it .
i cant afford a lamborghini. is it cheating that a rich guy can? your argument is semantical at the least. auto aim and autofire are cheating. using peripheals that work better for you is just smart. fyi i am low income on government support for a slew of mental disabilities and im budgeting out a xim. its all about deciding whats important and what isnt
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Post by: MaliciousHiccup on 11:26 AM - 02/27/18
Anyone can also buy straight op wallhacks. Just google it. So that isn't cheating then? Why is it forbidden in ESL on console to use mouse and keyboard adapters if its not considered cheating? Im using xim4 myself but don't say its not cheating. It is.
um... at the word wallhack... that second word... hack? you know where you change the code the programmers wrote or exploit it? yea thats cheating. plugging in a mouse and keyboard is just preference
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Post by: MaliciousHiccup on 11:28 AM - 02/27/18
Whats the difference? What is hacking? The definition ubisoft gives is using 3rd party software, hardware that isn' supported. By that means xim is cheating. Also, with a xim you can use a titan x and put macros in games like rainbow six where you won't have any recoil. Is that fair to you? Because everyone can do it.

that paragraph regarding third party hardware in ubisofts game is invalid as its blocked by sonys and microsofts ToS
when a developer releases a game on a console their game has to agree to the ToS of that console manufacturer
sure they can write additional paragraphs into their own terms of useage but if they go against the console ToS then they just have no legal basis to be enforced

Overwatch lately tried to ban mouse and keyboard users from their console games as they considered it to be illegal
however they had to admit they have no legal right to do so as the console manufacturer (in this case sony) regards it as fine
the developers declared to their community that they have to reach out to sony if they want to see a change
HEY STUPIDS LISTEN TO THIS GUY!!! HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. thank you lol
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Post by: TheCityWok on 12:00 PM - 02/27/18
No but you do gain an unfair advantage. It's unfair at times but I'm not cheating the game.
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Post by: MaliciousHiccup on 12:04 PM - 02/27/18
No but you do gain an unfair advantage. It's unfair at times but I'm not cheating the game.
im always at a disadvantage anyways. i play inverted haha
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Post by: ithinkfit on 12:05 PM - 02/27/18
All hackers are cheaters but not all cheaters are hackers.

This discussion is a moot point and I'm not sure why threads keep popping up like this. This forum is a self-selected group of people that use xim. Even if you had a valid objective opinion, it wouldn't be appreciated here. 
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Post by: Joeyknock0 on 12:06 PM - 02/27/18
Anyone can get it.. It's not only for a closed group of people.. That what makes it not cheating
Just saying, by that logic, aimbots and other hacks are not cheating.
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Post by: MaliciousHiccup on 12:12 PM - 02/27/18
Anyone can get it.. It's not only for a closed group of people.. That what makes it not cheating
Just saying, by that logic, aimbots and other hacks are not cheating.
you forgot in your semantical argument that hacking and modding involves overwriting or exploiting code. xim just offers alternative peripheals. they bypass the games parameters. i would say xim was cheating if not for the fact sony has a couple and xbox is getting ready to release an official one.
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Post by: XIMRocks on 12:12 PM - 02/27/18
Whats the difference? What is hacking? The definition ubisoft gives is using 3rd party software, hardware that isn' supported. By that means xim is cheating. Also, with a xim you can use a titan x and put macros in games like rainbow six where you won't have any recoil. Is that fair to you? Because everyone can do it.

that paragraph regarding third party hardware in ubisofts game is invalid as its blocked by sonys and microsofts ToS
when a developer releases a game on a console their game has to agree to the ToS of that console manufacturer
sure they can write additional paragraphs into their own terms of useage but if they go against the console ToS then they just have no legal basis to be enforced

Overwatch lately tried to ban mouse and keyboard users from their console games as they considered it to be illegal
however they had to admit they have no legal right to do so as the console manufacturer (in this case sony) regards it as fine
the developers declared to their community that they have to reach out to sony if they want to see a change
HEY STUPIDS LISTEN TO THIS GUY!!! HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. thank you lol

So the game developer clearly says it's cheating and creates an unfair advantage on consoles but because of the consoles tos they can't banned players for using it? I would say if the games creator considers it cheating and unfair then it's cheating and unfair. But yes I use xim and it's hella unfair.
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Post by: MaliciousHiccup on 12:19 PM - 02/27/18
Whats the difference? What is hacking? The definition ubisoft gives is using 3rd party software, hardware that isn' supported. By that means xim is cheating. Also, with a xim you can use a titan x and put macros in games like rainbow six where you won't have any recoil. Is that fair to you? Because everyone can do it.

that paragraph regarding third party hardware in ubisofts game is invalid as its blocked by sonys and microsofts ToS
when a developer releases a game on a console their game has to agree to the ToS of that console manufacturer
sure they can write additional paragraphs into their own terms of useage but if they go against the console ToS then they just have no legal basis to be enforced

Overwatch lately tried to ban mouse and keyboard users from their console games as they considered it to be illegal
however they had to admit they have no legal right to do so as the console manufacturer (in this case sony) regards it as fine
the developers declared to their community that they have to reach out to sony if they want to see a change
HEY STUPIDS LISTEN TO THIS GUY!!! HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. thank you lol

So the game developer clearly says it's cheating and creates an unfair advantage on consoles but because of the consoles tos they can't banned players for using it? I would say if the games creator considers it cheating and unfair then it's cheating and unfair. But yes I use xim and it's hella unfair.
as far as the devs go i know that on xbox microsoft is leaving it up to the developers to block m/kb use saying that is nothing more than a couple lines of code or something to that effect.
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Post by: Monch on 12:20 PM - 02/27/18
Hey Mods.... any way we can close this?
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Post by: MaliciousHiccup on 12:25 PM - 02/27/18
Hey Mods.... any way we can close this?
just out of curiosity may i ask why? i only ask because this is your first and only input on this thread
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Post by: Arceye on 12:25 PM - 02/27/18
What is hacking?

Hacking is manipulating code to do things it was not really designed to do.

The XIM does nothing of the kind, it cannot do anything a controller cannot do, it merely acts as a giant joystick which gives a huge amount of control for both large and small movements.

The mouse cannot aim faster or more precisely than a controller on a console, it is the human's ability to control the mouse which makes it more accurate, not the actual hardware.

In REAL LIFE, changing the steering wheel on a car will not make the car go faster or perform better, however it may make the driver more comfortable, so allow them to push a bit harder to get a faster lap time.
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Post by: Arceye on 12:27 PM - 02/27/18
Please close this topic , it creates nothing but arguments.
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Post by: MaliciousHiccup on 12:27 PM - 02/27/18
What is hacking?

Hacking is manipulating code to do things it was not really designed to do.

The XIM does nothing of the kind, it cannot do anything a controller cannot do, it merely acts as a giant joystick which gives a huge amount of control for both large and small movements.

The mouse cannot aim faster or more precisely than a controller on a console, it is the human's ability to control the mouse which makes it more accurate, not the actual hardware.

In REAL LIFE, changing the steering wheel on a car will not make the car go faster or perform better, however it may make the driver more comfortable, so allow them to push a bit harder to get a faster lap time.
Well put homie! :)
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Post by: Bertuzzi1616 on 12:40 PM - 02/27/18
Hardly 'crushed' anything with that OP.

This topic of discussion is simply opinion vs opinion. No one from either side is going to convince the other side that their opinion is the correct one. It's a pointless debate that will never lead anywhere.
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Post by: MaliciousHiccup on 12:48 PM - 02/27/18
YOU KNOW WHAT MODS CLOSE AND DELETE THIS. sorry for being new to the group and not getting to really have this discussion with anyone on a forum before. @#$% me...
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Post by: rangerlee on 12:58 PM - 02/27/18
I guess using a flight stick for flying games is cheating too, and so is using a wheel and pedals for racing games, right? Or is it using the better controller for the genre of game.
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Post by: mikael on 01:02 PM - 02/27/18
Having a steady thumb is cheating , itís an advantage to those without a steady thumb because they canít aim well. We should ban steady thumbs because itís cheating . I have said it multiple times and I will say it again, if you think m/kb are better or superior for aiming then why are we still on a debate about it? As humans , we tend to make good things go away as if we love the drama that comes from handicapping ourselves over and over instead of accepting whatís clearly better and more enjoyable.
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Post by: mikael on 01:06 PM - 02/27/18
This whole argument is a joke dude if you analyze it for more than 1 ms. Like 2 year olds. Why does he get to play with a more natural aiming device and I donít ??? Retardation to high levels
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Post by: mattant on 01:21 PM - 02/27/18
Guys I love the Xim, it allowed me to play Battlefield with my PS4 mates and get back into gaming in my late 20s, but of course it is an unfair advantage and borderline cheating.

It is NOT available to all, it is a niche product that 85% of the console user base would not even know exists, and they would never fathom they could be up against someone with a mouse.

Of course a game like Fortnite with native support is different.

That being said, I will continue to mop the floor with the Xim as I can't shoot a barn wall with a controller.

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Post by: Balor1712 on 01:26 PM - 02/27/18
Guys I love the Xim, it allowed me to play Battlefield with my PS4 mates and get back into gaming in my late 20s, but of course it is an unfair advantage and borderline cheating.

It is NOT available to all, it is a niche product that 85% of the console user base would not even know exists, and they would never fathom they could be up against someone with a mouse.

Of course a game like Fortnite with native support is different.

That being said, I will continue to mop the floor with the Xim as I can't shoot a barn wall with a controller.

It is available to all...
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Post by: grandpops2015 on 01:38 PM - 02/27/18
I don't get the argument if you think the xim is an hack cheat so on why join a cheating hacking forum??? careful sony and Microsoft are watching 👍🙂
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Post by: 007chill on 03:17 PM - 02/27/18
It's not 'cheating' but it is an unfair advantage.

There's a reason mouse and keyboards are not allowed on competitive console sites (GameBattles, UMG Gaming, etc.).

A mouse is clearly more precise to aim with and you can play higher sensitivities while being super accurate giving you a definite advantage. Anyone denying that is delusional.

I bought a XIM for an advantage in competitive.

If you just play public matches with friends, it's not a big deal IMO. If you use it to win money... it's a morality issue - and I'm admitting I do it.
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Post by: Balor1712 on 03:45 PM - 02/27/18
It's not 'cheating' but it is an unfair advantage.

There's a reason mouse and keyboards are not allowed on competitive console sites (GameBattles, UMG Gaming, etc.).

A mouse is clearly more precise to aim with and you can play higher sensitivities while being super accurate giving you a definite advantage. Anyone denying that is delusional.

I bought a XIM for an advantage in competitive.

If you just play public matches with friends, it's not a big deal IMO. If you use it to win money... it's a morality issue - and I'm admitting I do it.

It is an advantage. Not an unfair advantage. If you think it is unfair you will have to defend the plethora of things you can do to your base controller making them better as an unfair advantage as well.

Tournaments arbitrarily draw the line on what they choose to allow. They do allow scuffs, kontrol freaks, and so on. Just because they donít allow m/k adapters that doesnít mean they are cheating. I remember seeing someone try and compare the m/k on consoles to steroids (for athletic comps) in tournaments. It is fine to use it outside of them but not in them as it is seen as cheating. That is an incorrect analogy. How to make it better: Athletic competitions DO allow some steroids and not allow others. The best steroid (mk is the best for most people) is not allowed while worse steroids are allowed.
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Post by: XIMRocks on 06:18 PM - 02/27/18
It's not 'cheating' but it is an unfair advantage.

There's a reason mouse and keyboards are not allowed on competitive console sites (GameBattles, UMG Gaming, etc.).

A mouse is clearly more precise to aim with and you can play higher sensitivities while being super accurate giving you a definite advantage. Anyone denying that is delusional.

I bought a XIM for an advantage in competitive.

If you just play public matches with friends, it's not a big deal IMO. If you use it to win money... it's a morality issue - and I'm admitting I do it.

It is an advantage. Not an unfair advantage. If you think it is unfair you will have to defend the plethora of things you can do to your base controller making them better as an unfair advantage as well.

Tournaments arbitrarily draw the line on what they choose to allow. They do allow scuffs, kontrol freaks, and so on. Just because they donít allow m/k adapters that doesnít mean they are cheating. I remember seeing someone try and compare the m/k on consoles to steroids (for athletic comps) in tournaments. It is fine to use it outside of them but not in them as it is seen as cheating. That is an incorrect analogy. How to make it better: Athletic competitions DO allow some steroids and not allow others. The best steroid (mk is the best for most people) is not allowed while worse steroids are allowed.


Your argument would be alright but this is completely different.. these console games was developed and designed for lazy people who wants to sit on their couch and game with a controller.. I'm pretty sure if they wanted to make a console a pc they could have done it ages ago without us sitting in a forum talking about a mouse a keyboard.... heck, xim might not even be in existence once they allow plug and play m&k and game developers start making console games for m&k.. but they opted not to.. so mouse and keyboard on a console system without being officially allowed by most game developers and console  are a cheat and we're all cheating.
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Post by: Balor1712 on 06:30 PM - 02/27/18
It's not 'cheating' but it is an unfair advantage.

There's a reason mouse and keyboards are not allowed on competitive console sites (GameBattles, UMG Gaming, etc.).

A mouse is clearly more precise to aim with and you can play higher sensitivities while being super accurate giving you a definite advantage. Anyone denying that is delusional.

I bought a XIM for an advantage in competitive.

If you just play public matches with friends, it's not a big deal IMO. If you use it to win money... it's a morality issue - and I'm admitting I do it.

It is an advantage. Not an unfair advantage. If you think it is unfair you will have to defend the plethora of things you can do to your base controller making them better as an unfair advantage as well.

Tournaments arbitrarily draw the line on what they choose to allow. They do allow scuffs, kontrol freaks, and so on. Just because they donít allow m/k adapters that doesnít mean they are cheating. I remember seeing someone try and compare the m/k on consoles to steroids (for athletic comps) in tournaments. It is fine to use it outside of them but not in them as it is seen as cheating. That is an incorrect analogy. How to make it better: Athletic competitions DO allow some steroids and not allow others. The best steroid (mk is the best for most people) is not allowed while worse steroids are allowed.


Your argument would be alright but this is completely different.. these console games was developed and designed for lazy people who wants to sit on their couch and game with a controller.. I'm pretty sure if they wanted to make a console a pc they could have done it ages ago without us sitting in a forum talking about a mouse a keyboard.... heck, xim might not even be in existence once they allow plug and play m&k and game developers start making console games for m&k.. but they opted not to.. so mouse and keyboard on a console system without being officially allowed by most game developers and console  are a cheat and we're all cheating.

It is officially allowed by Sony though.
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Post by: XIMRocks on 06:37 PM - 02/27/18
It's not 'cheating' but it is an unfair advantage.

There's a reason mouse and keyboards are not allowed on competitive console sites (GameBattles, UMG Gaming, etc.).

A mouse is clearly more precise to aim with and you can play higher sensitivities while being super accurate giving you a definite advantage. Anyone denying that is delusional.

I bought a XIM for an advantage in competitive.

If you just play public matches with friends, it's not a big deal IMO. If you use it to win money... it's a morality issue - and I'm admitting I do it.

It is an advantage. Not an unfair advantage. If you think it is unfair you will have to defend the plethora of things you can do to your base controller making them better as an unfair advantage as well.

Tournaments arbitrarily draw the line on what they choose to allow. They do allow scuffs, kontrol freaks, and so on. Just because they donít allow m/k adapters that doesnít mean they are cheating. I remember seeing someone try and compare the m/k on consoles to steroids (for athletic comps) in tournaments. It is fine to use it outside of them but not in them as it is seen as cheating. That is an incorrect analogy. How to make it better: Athletic competitions DO allow some steroids and not allow others. The best steroid (mk is the best for most people) is not allowed while worse steroids are allowed.


Your argument would be alright but this is completely different.. these console games was developed and designed for lazy people who wants to sit on their couch and game with a controller.. I'm pretty sure if they wanted to make a console a pc they could have done it ages ago without us sitting in a forum talking about a mouse a keyboard.... heck, xim might not even be in existence once they allow plug and play m&k and game developers start making console games for m&k.. but they opted not to.. so mouse and keyboard on a console system without being officially allowed by most game developers and console  are a cheat and we're all cheating.

It is officially allowed by Sony though.

Sony, not approved by game developers besides fortnite because they do allow ps4 and pc to cross play.
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Post by: OBsIV on 06:50 PM - 02/27/18
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/accessories/specialty-controllers/

Under "Keyboard and Mouse".
Title: Re: THE GREAT M/KB ON CONSOLE "IS IT CHEATING?" DEBATE CRUSHED...
Post by: Balor1712 on 07:07 PM - 02/27/18
It's not 'cheating' but it is an unfair advantage.

There's a reason mouse and keyboards are not allowed on competitive console sites (GameBattles, UMG Gaming, etc.).

A mouse is clearly more precise to aim with and you can play higher sensitivities while being super accurate giving you a definite advantage. Anyone denying that is delusional.

I bought a XIM for an advantage in competitive.

If you just play public matches with friends, it's not a big deal IMO. If you use it to win money... it's a morality issue - and I'm admitting I do it.

It is an advantage. Not an unfair advantage. If you think it is unfair you will have to defend the plethora of things you can do to your base controller making them better as an unfair advantage as well.

Tournaments arbitrarily draw the line on what they choose to allow. They do allow scuffs, kontrol freaks, and so on. Just because they donít allow m/k adapters that doesnít mean they are cheating. I remember seeing someone try and compare the m/k on consoles to steroids (for athletic comps) in tournaments. It is fine to use it outside of them but not in them as it is seen as cheating. That is an incorrect analogy. How to make it better: Athletic competitions DO allow some steroids and not allow others. The best steroid (mk is the best for most people) is not allowed while worse steroids are allowed.


Your argument would be alright but this is completely different.. these console games was developed and designed for lazy people who wants to sit on their couch and game with a controller.. I'm pretty sure if they wanted to make a console a pc they could have done it ages ago without us sitting in a forum talking about a mouse a keyboard.... heck, xim might not even be in existence once they allow plug and play m&k and game developers start making console games for m&k.. but they opted not to.. so mouse and keyboard on a console system without being officially allowed by most game developers and console  are a cheat and we're all cheating.

It is officially allowed by Sony though.

Sony, not approved by game developers besides fortnite because they do allow ps4 and pc to cross play.

And so my analogy is correct. They allow doping just not the best doping.
Title: Re: THE GREAT M/KB ON CONSOLE "IS IT CHEATING?" DEBATE CRUSHED...
Post by: GuNStArHeRo on 07:09 PM - 02/27/18
If you just play public matches with friends, it's not a big deal IMO. If you use it to win money... it's a morality issue - and I'm admitting I do it.

i mean screw it right ;D
Title: Re: THE GREAT M/KB ON CONSOLE "IS IT CHEATING?" DEBATE CRUSHED...
Post by: full58 on 11:25 PM - 02/27/18
it's an input method. .input methods are not cheating

it's better.  @#$% right it is.

Title: Re: THE GREAT M/KB ON CONSOLE "IS IT CHEATING?" DEBATE CRUSHED...
Post by: Naj on 01:49 AM - 02/28/18
Most mouse players I met often say this when you ask them and you clearly know they are mouses with there max sense and clicky keyboards .

1: are you MnK? No am controller,
2: mouse donít give you adavantage .
3: Am so good - shakes mouse, forgets his playing in an unfair playing field .
4: You only good because of your mouse - gets triggered and says ďI was good with controllerĒ -sure.
4: itís cheating. Gets triggered and compares a scuff as cheating . Last time I checked scuff is in the same category as a regular controller .
5: Go to Pc and play against people on the same level Field. Errrrrrrr I prepare console .

If you play siege youíll know what am on about . Iíve met a lot of mouse players and am trying to keep up with my competition thatís why am buying one  no scuff or magic wand can beat the pure accuracy and precious  you get with a mouse.
Title: Re: THE GREAT M/KB ON CONSOLE "IS IT CHEATING?" DEBATE CRUSHED...
Post by: Monch on 06:43 AM - 02/28/18
YOU KNOW WHAT MODS CLOSE AND DELETE THIS. sorry for being new to the group and not getting to really have this discussion with anyone on a forum before. @#$% me...

Was going to reply, but I see you know why, now.
Title: Re: THE GREAT M/KB ON CONSOLE "IS IT CHEATING?" DEBATE CRUSHED...
Post by: Boseephus on 06:44 AM - 02/28/18
It makes sense that with the XIM gaining some popularity as of late that we'd get some new members to come join the forums.  That's wonderful, but please OP, there's really no need for threads like this.  We already have an abundance of them, and we've been championing a very well articulated version of this debate for a long time now.
Title: Re: THE GREAT M/KB ON CONSOLE "IS IT CHEATING?" DEBATE CRUSHED...
Post by: MaliciousHiccup on 10:09 AM - 02/28/18
It makes sense that with the XIM gaining some popularity as of late that we'd get some new members to come join the forums.  That's wonderful, but please OP, there's really no need for threads like this.  We already have an abundance of them, and we've been championing a very well articulated version of this debate for a long time now.
yea I didn't know that and that's why on page 2 i posted for mods to close this. I had no clue and wasn't trying to upset people.  I'll be honest. People getting pissy with me over @#$% I had no clue about really got under my @#$% skin and that's why I didn't touch this post for two days and just lurked
Title: Re: THE GREAT M/KB ON CONSOLE "IS IT CHEATING?" DEBATE CRUSHED...
Post by: Od1n on 10:32 AM - 02/28/18
It makes sense that with the XIM gaining some popularity as of late that we'd get some new members to come join the forums.  That's wonderful, but please OP, there's really no need for threads like this.  We already have an abundance of them, and we've been championing a very well articulated version of this debate for a long time now.
yea I didn't know that and that's why on page 2 i posted for mods to close this. I had no clue and wasn't trying to upset people.  I'll be honest. People getting pissy with me over @#$% I had no clue about really got under my @#$% skin and that's why I didn't touch this post for two days and just lurked

topics like these are usually a heated debate so dont take most of the replies too serious :)
once the dust has settled youll realize no one here thinks bad of you or will judge you for creating such a topic

at the moment its good to have these type of topics, i prefer our dedicated users to vent their apex excitenment in conversations like these than creating  another 100 topics to ask if its out yet ;)
Title: Re: THE GREAT M/KB ON CONSOLE "IS IT CHEATING?" DEBATE CRUSHED...
Post by: MaliciousHiccup on 10:40 AM - 02/28/18
It makes sense that with the XIM gaining some popularity as of late that we'd get some new members to come join the forums.  That's wonderful, but please OP, there's really no need for threads like this.  We already have an abundance of them, and we've been championing a very well articulated version of this debate for a long time now.
yea I didn't know that and that's why on page 2 i posted for mods to close this. I had no clue and wasn't trying to upset people.  I'll be honest. People getting pissy with me over @#$% I had no clue about really got under my @#$% skin and that's why I didn't touch this post for two days and just lurked

topics like these are usually a heated debate so dont take most of the replies too serious :)
once the dust has settled youll realize no one here thinks bad of you or will judge you for creating such a topic

at the moment its good to have these type of topics, i prefer our dedicated users to vent their apex excitenment in conversations like these than creating  another 100 topics to ask if its out yet ;)
yea i didnt take anything too seriously. ive watched all the quick setup videos  and ive been lurking through the forums soaking up as much as i can and i see what you mean. i see the same 7 or 8 questions reworded over and over and i imagine the members who have been here a while do get irritated with them. ( i would). that being said thank you for the words of encouragement od1n.
Title: Re: THE GREAT M/KB ON CONSOLE "IS IT CHEATING?" DEBATE CRUSHED...
Post by: ceebs on 10:42 AM - 02/28/18
It makes sense that with the XIM gaining some popularity as of late that we'd get some new members to come join the forums.  That's wonderful, but please OP, there's really no need for threads like this.  We already have an abundance of them, and we've been championing a very well articulated version of this debate for a long time now.
yea I didn't know that and that's why on page 2 i posted for mods to close this. I had no clue and wasn't trying to upset people.  I'll be honest. People getting pissy with me over @#$% I had no clue about really got under my @#$% skin and that's why I didn't touch this post for two days and just lurked

topics like these are usually a heated debate so dont take most of the replies too serious :)
once the dust has settled youll realize no one here thinks bad of you or will judge you for creating such a topic

at the moment its good to have these type of topics, i prefer our dedicated users to vent their apex excitenment in conversations like these than creating  another 100 topics to ask if its out yet ;)

You is a nice person. :)
Title: Re: THE GREAT M/KB ON CONSOLE "IS IT CHEATING?" DEBATE CRUSHED...
Post by: Krypto723 on 12:48 PM - 05/30/18
Nobody wants to answer the original question. You xim4 players are leaderboard babies, nothing more. What happens if you show up to MLG vegas with a xim?
Title: Re: THE GREAT M/KB ON CONSOLE "IS IT CHEATING?" DEBATE CRUSHED...
Post by: Od1n on 12:55 PM - 05/30/18
makes sense to dust off an old topic just to call out an entire community