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Title: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: piiwii on 06:33 AM - 01/12/18
Yup, the Apex supports Joy-Cons (as I wrote about here: http://community.xim.tech/index.php?topic=59386.0).

When I first tried Joy-Con's I hated them. The analogue stick was my biggest gripe. I have since bought Kontrol Freeks for them (had no idea they were available for Switch, I came across them by accident) and they have totally changed my mind about them. While they are still by no means perfect, they are now very much usable as a Nav replacement. The added height of Kontrol Freeks gives you more fine grained control, and the extra rubber padding hides some of the rough / cheap feel of the original sticks.

There are three other benefits too:

1) Digital triggers. Digital triggers are just so much better for FPS games. There is ZERO travel, no mushiness. They are so responsive and snappy.

2) Because is the smaller stick, overall range of motion is tiny compared to other pads, which means if you need to do rapid left / right peeking it just feels so much better.

3) You have two extra buttons compared to the Nav (SL / SR).


Anyway let's get back to the topic at hand!

Some of you might remember the mount I created for my Sony Nav:

http://community.xim.tech/index.php?topic=39138.0

I made this because Nav's handle was too thick, so I was getting cramps when holding onto it for long periods. Now that the Apex supports Joy-Cons, I was having the opposite problem - they're too small!

So I got to work on a new mount, and here are the results:

(https://i.imgur.com/EcdHiGOr.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ooWmJ01r.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2hYnRULr.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/XXsLkABr.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/riILZWJr.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/GJetVzLr.jpg)

It's a custom shaped aluminium mount, designed to match the curvature of my chair, and to position the Joy-Con exactly where my hand is. It feels like itís floating - henceforth they will be known as the Joy-Con Air. Ha! It's held down by some really strong 3M velcro, which makes it nice and firm but it also means I can simply remove it when I'm not playing games. I could glue it on to give it a cleaner look but I prefer having the option to take it off. The 3M Velcro just happened to be exactly the same width as the mount so it looks plenty clean:) I think itís really elegant.

As with my Nav mount, this is designed so that I don't need to grip it that tight, if at all - I can just let my fingers dangle to the side. It's just so much more comfortable this way.

The final solution seems really simple but it was a long road getting here. I prototyped about half a dozen different designs but threw them all out because they were too clunky. I needed a solution that would extend from my arm rest but not get in the way of my thigh or forearm. I also needed something that could be easily removed. Given the armrest is so thin, it was not an easy job!

I also removed the rail from my Joy-Con strap and prototyped a few designs that allowed me to slide my Joy-Con in and out. It was very, very slick I have to say, but unfortunately it covered up the sync button which I need to use sometimes. So this was a no-go.


UPDATE - scroll down to see updated pics of a grip I added, e.g.

(https://i.imgur.com/Zjo0e4Z.jpg)
Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: ceebs on 07:33 AM - 01/12/18
It's a thing of beauty, aesthetically let down only by a solitary trailing wire. What a shame Logitech don't make a wireless mouse as good as the G502. Oh, wait... https://www.logitechg.com/en-gb/product/g900-chaos-spectrum-mouse

Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: piiwii on 07:35 AM - 01/12/18
Not enough buttons.
Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: ceebs on 09:29 AM - 01/12/18
Fair enough
Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: piiwii on 04:03 PM - 01/28/18
Some further mods I just made:

(https://i.imgur.com/41xhGn4.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VHuBJM4.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/x7p47ci.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Zjo0e4Z.jpg)
Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: Die_Hard on 04:14 PM - 01/28/18
This is @#$% fabulous  :P
Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: MattyAu on 09:37 PM - 01/30/18
So are all of the buttons on the Joy-Cons mapable? I'm mainly curious about the capture button, - button, and sync button.
Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: piiwii on 09:49 PM - 01/30/18
No you canít map sync. Just SL and SR. The minus button is definitely mappable too.
Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: MattyAu on 10:16 PM - 01/30/18
No you canít map sync. Just SL and SR. The minus button is definitely mappable too.

Cool cool, what about the capture button? Not necessary, but I like to map the view, home and menu buttons.

Was just looking at these grips by PDP, could be handy also: http://pdp.com/en/nintendo-switch-joy-con-gel-guards
Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: piiwii on 10:36 PM - 01/30/18
Yes the capture button is supported:)

You can map it to anything you want. Examples are Share on PS4, or the home button if you're only using one Joycon like me.

Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: Call_Me_Ozne on 10:59 PM - 01/30/18
How's the mouse not fall off?  :o

It looks comfortable but I'd need way more mouse area.
Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: piiwii on 11:14 PM - 01/30/18
How's the mouse not fall off?  :o

I solved this problem. The G502 uses a magnet to keep the weight lid on. I've piggy backed off this magnet to "stick" it to my mousepad when not in use:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QamfZ56bZr4


It looks comfortable but I'd need way more mouse area.

I use a Steelseries pad as per the video above:)

Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: MattyAu on 07:16 PM - 02/07/18
Hey Piiwii, I'm just curious to know what the pairing procedure is for the Joycon, are you able to elaborate?
Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: piiwii on 04:51 AM - 02/24/18
Hold the sync button on the Joy-Cons for a second, wait until lights start blinking rapidly, then tap the button on the XIM. Done.
Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: Maxxgold on 08:23 AM - 02/24/18
Very Nice!!
Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: Frash brang on 03:03 AM - 05/15/18
Do you prefer joycon to the nav piiwii?
Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: piiwii on 03:38 AM - 05/15/18
Yes I'm a big fan of them, the two biggest advantages:

1) The analogue stick is very short, which means there is less travel. This allows you to do rapid side to side strafing / peeking, almost like a keyboard. After you use a Joy-Con for a while it's hard to go back to a regular stick because they all have so much travel.

2) Digital triggers. Again, zero travel. They are very snappy and responsive. No mushiness. Great for first person shooters!

Bear in mind that it has issues with XIM Apex at the moment, which I have fixed with a Titan Two but it doesn't help people without one. I know J2Kbr is going to look at it but for now, this is something you'll need to keep in mind.
Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: Something on 10:11 AM - 05/15/18
I want to try using my joy con too, what are some of the issues that it has?
Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: piiwii on 05:15 PM - 05/15/18
Two problems:

1) The deadzone is really bad and I donít think XIMís deadzone settings work properly because I canít seem to fix this without scripting. This shouldnít be a problem but it is for some reason.

2) Over time (sometimes as short as 45 mins or so), an outer deadzone develops where you canít sprint anymore and it feels like thereís heaps of lag and you have to keep resyncing to reset / fix it.

Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: S13002931 on 02:54 PM - 07/13/18
Hi

Do you prefer joycon over keyboard  ?

Is it because of your setup  ? Or u don't like keyboard  ?   Press  A & D  at same time, &  found yourself dead  like ,me ?


Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: alanmcgregor on 03:25 PM - 07/13/18
Amaze me the small size of your mouse pad.

You must have a great dexterity piiwii.

Awesome :)
Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: piiwii on 09:07 PM - 07/13/18
Amaze me the small size of your mouse pad.

You must have a great dexterity piiwii.

Awesome :)

Lol one of the trade offs with having a non-monsterous living room setup.

But Iíve gotten used to it:)
Title: Re: Check out my new project: custom Joy-Con + Ikea Poang chair mount!
Post by: piiwii on 09:08 PM - 07/13/18
Hi

Do you prefer joycon over keyboard  ?

Is it because of your setup  ? Or u don't like keyboard  ?   Press  A & D  at same time, &  found yourself dead  like ,me ?

Yeah I just canít used to keyboards. Not sure why because I used to play a lot of CS but I guess Iím just a big fan of analogue movement.