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Title: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 11:52 AM - 04/22/10
So i was driving my GF home (yes, i am one of the few people on this forum with a significant other that is female)after going out to eat and a movie. I notice that a car is stopped at a light, with a highschool  boy, from a separate car, waving a flashlight to direct traffic away from the stopped car.  The stopped car was a mexican highschool student who was passed out, with his foot on the brake (it was not in park...), and face on the wheel.  
So i pulled my car up behind the passed out car (as he was in the middle lane and the kid with the flashlight was an idiot).  SO remember, this is all occurring at a stoplight.  
The kid apparently wakes up.  He starts to drive through a red light, where 2 cars, who have the green light, are slamming on their breaks and swerving out of the way.  
He nearly hits a brick wall before he jerks the car at a 45 degree angle, literally going in between 2 HUGE trees (something i doubt most people could do sober going that speed) and then missing a metal pole and a side of a bridge (where actual scratches were found from his car) and went down a 15 foot trench where he hit trees.  And between his 45 degree turn, he nearly hit 2 more cars as he went across a median and the wrong way down their street.

I arrive and find that a bunch of people are already there calling the police ( i guess the people who almost got hit stopped to help).  Yet no one was helping him.... I know this because i asked d,did anyone get the driver?, and 5 people gave me a blank stare. I hate the bystanderd effect.
So i told my girl to stay in the car and call the police (i didnt want her to get in the way/say things like be careful when im doing this..).  The incline down to the car was at a 65 degree angle, 15 feet down, all paved cement, with no footing at all.  i slid down went through the 1 foot deep creak and opened his door.  the car was smoking,the engine was on, there was a lot of @#$% going on.  This wasnt my first accident i had to help in,do all the work too, and smelt gas with the engine on and thought this was the part of the movie where i blow up.  the guy was conscious, so i turned off the car, and i dragged him out (after i asked him to move and he could use his back/neck properly).  I took him up the 15 foot incline, by myself, by his hands...while everyone just watched (@#$%, i hate bystanders). i cut a 3 inch wide hole in my leg from a piece of metal on the incline that i had no idea existed...
and to give you an idea of how steep it was, when the firefighters came, they used a harness and rope to go down there...

anyways, the guy was obviously @#$% up.  he was not just drinking or smokin a lil somethin somethin. clearly is was prescription pills of some kind with alcohol. and this random mexican came in a decked out car, took a bunch of things from the kid (obviously drugs) and left.  the cops did not arrive by this time, and the firefighters cared less for some reason.  the kid even went BACK DOWN to throw away some drugs from the car, and say he was smoking a cigarette.  and the kid with the flashlight disappeared, but that was no surprise.  So i gave my statement, to some rent-a-cops that were at the scene, and gave them my address.  

I received a letter telling me
NO ONE who was there, about 8 people, who said they would testify, are going to anymore. The letter says im the only one left.  and after telling you the majority of the whole story, should i?
I remember being a stupid kid, not like that, but still, and seeing my friends who got DUIs that ended up ruining there lives because of it.  obviously i will do what needs to be done, but in this case idk what that means. (they wont give me his real name until i agree, so i cant ask/talk to him to see the kind of person he is)
and so do i send him to JAIL for over 5 years they say, or let it slide, where he could do it again or worse...?
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: ideez on 02:48 PM - 04/22/10
I'll admit it's a bit strange you posted this story on forums.....on the internet...on xim360 forums...lol

the way i look at it, he's made a mistake, and he did what he did, he put other's people lives in danger from the choice that he himself made.

It's good that you helped him it's very commendable, everyone should be more like that.  That's a tough decision because like you said, you have to consider is he going to do it again or have a high chance? Is he just being at the wrong place at the wrong time?

I will say though you shouldn't feel guilty doing either decision just because there's nothing you can really do.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 03:38 PM - 04/22/10
ya i know it is weird i posted on the forums lol.
but i figured this was a place for discussion, with people who quickly respond, and im on here a alot anyways... haha
allegedly, my friends say hes cousins with some big time drug dealer. why else would this guy show up, in the kind of car he did, where obviously they are lower income, and take such quick action without being shocked in anyway. and thats why no one will testify. of course ALL of that is speculation, and something out of a movie. ive never been the kind of person to backdown to intimidation, if anything i give the finger and do the opposite of what they say, so i refuse to let THAT be a reason.  
he deserves it if i do, and idk if he would change if i dont (or even do...)
never had a decision where someone's life is in my hands and all i need to do is push a button...
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: combo on 03:46 PM - 04/22/10
Just do what feels right to you, deep down.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 03:56 PM - 04/22/10
you cant feel something after you are thinking about it.  its impossible lol.  once you "leave the moment" and think, then its done.  i dont feel anything other than the weight of my pending choice.  but thank you for the alruistic support.  i dont mean to bash, and im sorry if you thought i was, as the reason i posted on this forum was for the plethora of different points of views and walks of life.  thanks again for the post.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: ideez on 04:52 PM - 04/22/10
to clarify my earlier statement, pretty much imho as much as a situation it is i don't see how you can make a "serious" decision.  Sounds like if the kid went to jail he deserved it, and if not he WILL get what's coming to him, especially that lifestyle and setting he's in (whether you believe karma or not)

It's like choosing between a red and yellow bell pepper when you're born colorblind.


Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: Ub3rn00ber on 04:57 PM - 04/22/10
sounds like it's not just this guy but also alot of people whom he's associated with.  I say put him in jail.  It may give him a chance to break some of his thuggish habits.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: slayersteve on 05:33 PM - 04/22/10
I'm a little torn. Personally I think the drug war is stupid (and I don't use drugs...) but many of the participants are criminals aside from the drugs.
I'd wager this kid probably is too. Who knows, like uber said, this might straighten his @#$% out. Of course if he goes to prison instead of county lockup he may just end up deeper.

you just don't know man...

also, what's the charge? is it "just" DUI at this point? if so, they don't need you to testify to @#$%, the state will shithammer him on their own.
if it involves other charges, I think it depends on what you KNOW vs what you THINK. you KNOW he was under the influence, you KNOW he caused some public property damage (did he cause damage to private property at all?) and you THINK he may have had drugs on him or in his vehicle (you can't know that unless you saw the drugs). if the charges do not jibe with what you KNOW, then I wouldn't testify.
particularly if it meant getting f'ed with by some bangers over something that is relatively trivial. on the other hand, if he did injure someone then you hammer him gang affiliation or not. did he? your account seems to indicate not.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: mist4fun on 05:40 PM - 04/22/10
I say mind your own business. You did your part by pulling him out. He definitely had blood taken after the accident and was tested for drugs and alcohol. If he continues to live his life this way he won't survive next time or will be in jail some other way. There is no point in endangering yourself in something that is just going to run its course anyway.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 06:38 PM - 04/22/10
I agree with what you guys are saying. And I can't swear past the fact that they were pills. He would get it in the end from karma and lifestyle choices too. And it isn't something I think is worth getting headshotted in real life over wither. I just hate being passive or having a victim ( I can't do anything about it) mentality either. In this case though I suppose the right choice is to forget about it. @#$% that's annoying lol. Thanks guys
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: Shrimpanzee on 08:13 PM - 04/22/10
If NOT testifying could potentially put other people's lives in danger (again), which it sounds like it might... then I'd do it.

Also, I'm flattered that you'd come to us nooblets for advice on "real life" @#$%.  ;D
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 09:46 PM - 04/22/10
it is real life but it is also not.  i mean im disassociated from the act anyways the second i proceed in trying to be as logical as possible.  but i know what you mean, and like i said, thats exactly why i am asking you guys.  maybe there is something im missing.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: slayersteve on 11:15 PM - 04/22/10
I think tis stellar you're rollin up in here thinking you may get good advice.
clearly you think the folks that chill here are groovy man.

like I said though, if what you know is equal to or less than a dui, fudge it.
although, I do have to say, I got hammered on a DUI in CO for not actually driving. people that drive and @#$% @#$% up, I have no sympathy for man.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: CEOrko on 11:38 PM - 04/22/10
Given the circumstances of the event you have given, incarceration seems the more secure (and possibly less-costly) solution over letting the issue go. Should the incident repeat itself, there is a good chance its costs will outweigh a single person's tax-funded stay in a penitentiary, however ineffective it may be at curbing such behavior. It's a shame you can't just give some people their lumps, walk them through a rehabilitation course, and never have to hear about bad things coming from them again, but we don't seem able to accept the "complicated animal" definition as a species. Maybe that's a good thing, but I'm not going to throw out answers that don't exist at this point in time.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: tweak on 11:47 PM - 04/22/10
Does it not concern you at all that the 8 people aren't going to testify anymore?  I mean, what's their reason behind not testifying?  Especially if this is something that involved drugs and money...
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 12:03 AM - 04/23/10
I think tis stellar you're rollin up in here thinking you may get good advice.
clearly you think the folks that chill here are groovy man.
i definitely do.  i mean we are a community here, and people joke about it, but i really think a lot of people would buy a beer for at least someone on the forum (first being obsiv id say haha). but we are not all from the same town, state, country, or even continent.  its strange to post it here but it is also natural to me.  especially since, in any discussion, a personal levity/signature is on even the most cold logical explanation or remark. which makes everything personal but not really at the same time. the diversity of the community is astonishing and makes it a great forum to post anything on, which wouldnt be true, if the interconnectivity that does exist, was not here.  hell even people who join today acknowledge this observation and try to instantly be apart of the community and become antiquated with. newbies always rant and rave about how they love this forum and the people. we respect the person but not their stupid comment, bad way of stating something, or really anything that could be wrong lol. in other words, you dont have people just cursing and bashing one another. you dont have many forums, that i know of, that people see the same user enough to be able to banter back and forth over  past posts or whatever and develop an image of that person (whether the image is accurate or not...)
it may be the shrink in me explaining it the way i did, but really the forum is just as badass as the xim imo lol. well maybe a little less  ;D

example, like 10 min after i posted this rofl
Quote
roads I'm really not trying to insult you or stop you from asking questions. what I'm saying is if your are going to ask questions on a community forum, to get the best responses it may help to put a little more thought into what ur asking and make more use of the information already given to u.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 12:18 AM - 04/23/10
Does it not concern you at all that the 8 people aren't going to testify anymore?  I mean, what's their reason behind not testifying?  Especially if this is something that involved drugs and money...
it did make me think twice, of course.  but i refuse to make that the reason for me to do it or not to do it.  ive seen enough people in my life who live afraid, who only react (if you can call cowering a reaction), and dont act (or even have the will to act) during the most important times of their life. im tired of watching people become passive, as if free will is a myth and people are just determined by their environment (determinism/fatalism), and that is just the way life works.  i know that sounds naive, but i would rather live a life where i can believe in something and not just back down because its just to @#$% hard right then.  im not acting this way because i have ideals i need to live up to. im acting this way because this is who i am and those ideals are merely an extension of that.  i will always fight to be a person, not another bystanderd.  

if it sounds like i sidestepped your comment that is not my intention.  i just dont focus past that reality when the scary thug is suppose to deter me from what i believe to do is right or wrong.

i guess ill just ask them about the info of the case, what kind of case they have, what my role would be, and see if it would go through to a sure conviction and decide from there....
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: slayersteve on 11:06 AM - 04/23/10
@#$% A.

my thing is, is it worth the hassle over something trivial?
and if it's not trivial, then you have to man up. period.

you are being asked to testify, which make me think it's beyond a DUI....
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 11:15 AM - 04/23/10
I called and they said i would be contacted within the day...
so we shall see mr steve!
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: roads on 12:22 PM - 04/23/10
Interestingly we were told at med school that we are not allowed to rescue someone if there is some danger possible. Itís not our job the firemen have to do that. So its not us pulling the guy out of the burning car, burning house out of the water etc. If there is no danger for yourself of course go help. Same for testifying, if its dangerous, don't. I was at the wrong place, wrong time three times now. Just put my stuff in the trunk. Help please help. No... not again. I ABC reanimate and when the guys with proper equipment arrive and take over I give them heads up and I leave. Not giving my name. I helped thatís it. By the way there are always those 10 peeps standing around doing nothing. Last time I chaced away a dentist who could not reanimate with me together and a mom with his ten year old stood there watching me getting the guy back. The kid asked the mommy about what exactly is happening like it was tele. Donīt want to repeat what I told the mother.
Oh and before I forget you have to do cardiac massage at 100bpm. Thatís exactly highway to Hell. Just keep it quiet :)
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: toysrme on 12:37 PM - 04/23/10
That issue depends entirely upon where you live.
Most US states have "Good Samaritan" lawls, most also have "Duty to Rescue" laws.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: mist4fun on 01:09 PM - 04/23/10
Remember the last episode of Seinfeld when they were arrested for videotaping a crime and not helping? Good stuff.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 03:17 PM - 04/23/10
Remember the last episode of Seinfeld when they were arrested for videotaping a crime and not helping? Good stuff.
SuCh a funny episode. 
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 01:28 AM - 04/25/10
so i talked to the prosecuter yesterday.  he has to nearly be my age (21).  i listened, and heard phrases that made me laugh in my head.  he talks to me like im a moron (obvious that he just graduated) and has no REAL case other than a dui (where he doesnt need me).  he wants to just get a high level conviction that makes him instantly look good, or use me as a threat to get a higher sentence when pleading out.
my father is a civil attorney, so i know enough BS phrases that sound good but dont mean @#$% (lawyers...rofl).  so i told him my 2 sense about how its barely circumstantial and i will get murdered  when i go on the stand, during cross examination (pun!).  his instant reply is "its not like on TV".  ive been in at least 12 hours of REAL court cases.  i work at my fathers firm and do near paralegal work all the time. i KNOW what happens on the stand, even if you lie...haha.  o well.
 i didnt rant off into any of that i just told him, "that may be, but if you cant convince me then i dont know how you will convince a jury beyond a dui". he told me thats fine, i regret you can not help in the case blablabla.  then that was it.  
they will probably plead out too and the guy will get a fine/community service/no drivers license. justice is served!...
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: roads on 02:29 AM - 04/25/10
would have done the same bdm.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: TheycallmeDee on 03:20 AM - 04/25/10
BDM. I have a girlfriend. Why take a shot at everyone like that in your first few sentences?
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: mist4fun on 11:24 AM - 04/25/10
Yeah most of this community is over the age of twenty with a wife/gf/kids.

http://xim3.com/community/index.php?topic=3450.msg35152#msg35152
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 11:57 PM - 04/25/10
ok...
i really didnt believe people would be so offended.  we are nerds.  it doesnt matter if you are the captain of the football team (as i was), or the manliest man in the world.  we own an XIM and play games.  we are nerds.  from most of the nerd community i find that its just a joke to say "YOU have a gf?".  it is a direct joke, either about the person, or really about the stereotype that comes from playing games (being a "nerd").  saying you have a gf is a joke about the stereotype more than the person...
that makes it harmless, unless people are insecure about something and find it offensive for their own reasons.
i thought if someone posted about the reference, itd be an LOL, not a, @#$%.  i figured most people were seasoned enough to laugh about a harmless joke that has grown over the years.
i find it strange though, at this point in the thread, that this "offensive" comment is what you find noteworthy.  I am talking about REAL stuff and like to find something to smile about on any occasion, especially when its hard to. i am also astonished that you think i ACTUALLY believe that, not even from the fact i said "lol" but as if it were a hatespeach i was writing about the forum/members that i clearly appreciate and respect (obvious in how much activity i have on here...).  
I do NOT apologize.  
what is it you found so offensive about the statement? how do you feel attacked or offended, specifically? so then why do you feel like you should defend yourself to the most minute insignificant part of the post, to someone who in no way knows you, who (in your perspective of finding it offensive) is just some jackass on the internet, where it SHOULD make no difference in any way to you?

So lets just assume, that it was just something more that you dont like and nothing special.  so you had to tell me that and insist on your current relationship status. which shows me: 1. you did not understand the joke,  2. you feel challenged by the statement so you must banter back (which trust me, has its own merit to ask yourself WHY you would), and 3.you obviously either didnt read or failed to realize, from the rest of the 1-2 pages of description, i have an immense respect for any individual and their life. even if they nearly killed people...
so what are YOU really talking about?
and thanks for the backup mist, i thought we were cool  :'( lol, and i posted on their a while ago my age i believe.  
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: Moo Juice on 01:06 AM - 04/26/10
Hmmm..I think I understand what you REALLY meant by that opening line. Let me highlight the clue  ;) "(yes i am one of the few people on this forum that has a significant other that is female"
SO IT COMES OUT! You called us all homosexuals. How DARE YOU!  ;D Just kiddin', there isn't anything wrong with being happy. Haha, I wouldn't have even noticed that last part if that one guy hadn't gotten upset about you putting that in there. I have to admit, I thought it was odd that you had to put it in there, I didn't see the joke you say is in there at first. It was like "Uhhh..Was it necessary to add in a statement that implies you are better than the others here and pretty much throw it in their faces?" =] I haven't been here that long, so I don't know your history with everyone, but normally that's just kind of a braggish/boasting comment that just came off as stupid and not needed to be mentioned.

I wasn't personally insulted, but I was a little annoyed by the perceived feeling of superiority that emanated from the statement.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: mist4fun on 09:23 AM - 04/26/10
I wasn't offended.. I don't think anyone would be able to take offense to that. I don't remember if you posted in that thread and I linked it because I also thought most of everyone were teenagers. If the link wasn't beneficial to you than it is a random fun facts thread for someone else. All the new users we have for example. We are cool.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 11:04 AM - 04/26/10
Hmmm..I think I understand what you REALLY meant by that opening line. Let me highlight the clue  ;) "(yes i am one of the few people on this forum that has a significant other that is female"
SO IT COMES OUT! You called us all homosexuals. How DARE YOU!  ;D Just kiddin', there isn't anything wrong with being happy. Haha, I wouldn't have even noticed that last part if that one guy hadn't gotten upset about you putting that in there. I have to admit, I thought it was odd that you had to put it in there, I didn't see the joke you say is in there at first. It was like "Uhhh..Was it necessary to add in a statement that implies you are better than the others here and pretty much throw it in their faces?" =] I haven't been here that long, so I don't know your history with everyone, but normally that's just kind of a braggish/boasting comment that just came off as stupid and not needed to be mentioned.

I wasn't personally insulted, but I was a little annoyed by the perceived feeling of superiority that emanated from the statement.
hahahaha i forgot i added that little ending. i was so en-rapped in stating how it was a joke i forgot the actual text (and notice how the DEE guy failed to see that part and focused only on the "NO GF" part...interesting).  I did say the joke evolved over the years  ;)
i can see how people might think of it as braggish, maybe, but it always reduces to the harmless rhetoric of trash talking amongst equals. I just poke at them, i get poked back, with a preferably witty and crude comment, and it never amounts to anything beyond that. I believe mist called me a stalker in one post, and i took it with grace on the chin and replied in turn with a comment that played back ( http://xim3.com/community/index.php?topic=4887.0 ) - but that was before he had the responsibility of being the moderator, awww.  the wit and direction/subtlety of the rudeness is an entertainment value, and mine was actually a pretty good one from the looks of it as i am pretty entertained haha.  (disclosure: i am not laughing at you but laughing at my comment which suggests I am the only one entertained by the said comment) --so i guess i should do that now for any potentially harmful comments? hahaha
and i figure if i am going to be giving a HUGE description of an event, i should start off with a little LOL before going into the heavy moral dilemma which comes from sending someone to jail or not (its not anymore BUT IT WAS! haha)




Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: ryan123 on 11:08 AM - 04/26/10
from experience, maybe only my experience.. but girlfriends are made in this world, to take money from you ;(
i wouldn't mind another girlfriend, but i sure as hell aint lookin' :D (getting so few hours at work as it is)


and, 'we are nerds' biggest truth of the world! if somebody is afraid to admit to being a nerd, they should stop gaming :P
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 11:12 AM - 04/26/10
To all the new users we have, We are cool....
HAHAHAHAAH --funniest thing you have said in a while. ( so what if i edited it the way you meant it, your a moderator so do something about it  :o xoxo)

yaya mist i know your ever present (unless dire circumstances) neutrality.  its part of the moderator position id assume, like a priest, judge, .. moderator  lmao.    
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 11:20 AM - 04/26/10
and, 'we are nerds' biggest truth of the world! if somebody is afraid to admit to being a nerd, they should stop gaming :P
well obviously i agree fully, i said it lol.  but like i said, most people who feel offended these days say so because of their own insecurities.  only on rare occasion are things offensive through an established logical reasoning that equates a how, why, and to what end, the comment or offensive manner is harmful.

soon it will get to the point where i say some words and get sued, because my words are causing harmful damage....and i dont mean ill say them abusively, but SOMEONE will be offended as SOMEONE is always offended by ANYTHING. 
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: mist4fun on 12:27 PM - 04/26/10
- but that was before he had the responsibility of being the moderator, awww.  the wit and direction/subtlety of the rudeness is an entertainment value

Nope I was a mod when I posted that. It was funny, why not post it? :)
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: MindControlZombies on 01:23 PM - 04/26/10
wow wow drink driving is bad but grassing some one up for smoking gods plant? nooo! freemasons built america with the aid of hemp its
so much part of the usa history , but freemasons got it banned
because it makes people free think an thats the last thing they want they only want that power for them , there are etched cannibis leaves in the headstone of an old freemason grave near my house . 3 strikes an your out over your way ? for one of gods plants which the powers that be use an keep away for jo public dont snitch on weed smokers god gave you plants nazis took them away!.....down with monsanto!
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 02:55 PM - 04/26/10
wow wow drink driving is bad but grassing some one up for smoking gods plant? nooo! freemasons built america with the aid of hemp its
so much part of the usa history , but freemasons got it banned
because it makes people free think an thats the last thing they want they only want that power for them , there are etched cannibis leaves in the headstone of an old freemason grave near my house . 3 strikes an your out over your way ? for one of gods plants which the powers that be use an keep away for jo public dont snitch on weed smokers god gave you plants nazis took them away!.....down with monsanto!
BAHAHAHAHAHA
i said PILLS not weed....
weed has conspiracy theories? REALLY...
and i didnt even say it was EVIL, if anything, by the simple comparison, i made the shiggedy look like  a lesser evil than the pills and drinking...
obviously you wanted to get this off your chest for a while though, DoAwG
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 02:57 PM - 04/26/10
It was funny, why not post it? :)
idk man, apparently the forum has grown sensitive and are used to political correctness (hypocritical thinking). im so very offended by that mist, i want to talk to your boss to get your mod privileges taken away for abuse/hatred, just because im white (and you can tell over the internet, who cant)
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: paulrules on 09:19 PM - 04/26/10
To be honest, it's your call. On one side, what would it do for you other than the selfish feeling of doing something right? On the other side, you're teaching the kid a proper lesson, though that could also be seen as selfish.

I would just stay out of it. I have better things to do than send a kind to jail. If he didn't learn his lesson once, he'll probably kill himself the next time he does this sort of @#$%.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: Moo Juice on 01:05 AM - 04/27/10
Oh well hey now, =D If it was all in in a joking attitude, it's okay. Its all in the attitude, I guess. If you were sayin' it with a certain negative way, Then its something. I'm all for good jokes, even off-color jokes. Although I would like this in formal writing and have a vocal statement beforehand in any joking matters so as to further eliminate any possible misunderstandings, of course... (if that joke wasnt funny in the slightest, I'm blaming it on the fact that its 3:05 AM and I'm tired)
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 01:08 AM - 04/27/10
well before everyone tries to eat this to the bone...
being selfish isnt a bad thing.
every intention is a selfish act, good or bad (and yes i will tell you how its not always bad).  
selfishness as an abstract thing is not bad.  we can make selfish acts bad or good, since every act is selfish, and we/society have only made selfishness an evil trait.  and if your an altruist, @#$% of here.  thats a lie.  you are being selfish but calling it selfless. moderation is what makes selfishness good, extremes are what make it/anything bad (where altruism is one extreme of selfishness, mixed with self deception).  if you do a good act and it makes you feel good, thats bad?

I am proud to be selfish in moderation.  its HEALTHY.  im not walked on and dont seek to walk on others.  i take care of what i value, who i value, and feel good for doing what i believe in. am i suppose to feel guilty for that? and if you denote that doing the right thing is bad (assuming you mean selfishness is bad) i dont follow how doing the right thing can be warped into a bad act...unless i am merely forcing my value system upon others, undeservingly.

(fountainhead, atlas shrugged, theres a consistency to my insanity rofl)

anyways

i decided not to, from my discussion with the prosecuter, described in a previous post.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 01:17 AM - 04/27/10
Oh well hey now, =D If it was all in in a joking attitude, it's okay. Its all in the attitude, I guess. If you were sayin' it with a certain negative way, Then its something. I'm all for good jokes, even off-color jokes. Although I would like this in formal writing and have a vocal statement beforehand in any joking matters so as to further eliminate any possible misunderstandings, of course... (if that joke wasnt funny in the slightest, I'm blaming it on the fact that its 3:05 AM and I'm tired)
ill let it slide lol
and yes, action intention and outcome are inherent qualities to discuss when thinking if an act is good or bad.  attitude i would assume into intention, as i dont think many people have an attitude they dont intend lol.  (studying for a kantean philosphy -which assumes those 3 qualities of an act- so i can deepen my knowledge of aristotle's 4 causes, to know the effects of those 4 causes on psychology today  ::)) if i am sounding abstract lately, thats why lol.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: TheycallmeDee on 11:38 AM - 04/27/10
... Oh my god bdm, I misunderstood your joke. Relaaaxxxx. I read it as: "I am bdm, I have a girlfriend and you don't and I only assume that because you are posting on the XIM forums".

In other news. I want to be happy with toysrme. The fact that Alabama has won 13 national championships gives me a chubby.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: mist4fun on 12:06 PM - 04/27/10
lol toys might have room for another boyfriend. He's juggling voli and flowzilla right now.. but you could be #3 ;)
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: Voli on 12:23 PM - 04/27/10
Hahahaha @ Dee. Mist.. Toys has the biggest mojo of us all.. He's also a virtual juggalo via Xbox live

@ bdm.. Send him to jail. I did some wild things in high school but that's just excessive.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 01:59 PM - 04/27/10
... Oh my god bdm, I misunderstood your joke. Relaaaxxxx. I read it as: "I am bdm, I have a girlfriend and you don't and I only assume that because you are posting on the XIM forums".

In other news. I want to be happy with toysrme. The fact that Alabama has won 13 national championships gives me a chubby.
im going to a liberal arts college that is probably one of the most conservative in the country. I had to "defend my position" (an actual thing that is done in class) and had to bring out everything and the @#$% mattress to get these kids to @#$% about their "points" that were only reworded statements of their previous point. anyways,  it was earlier that day when you posted, and saw that and was like @#$% THAT @#$% lol. i definitely went overboard, but i found it to be a good argument  :P, at the time at least. 
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: TheycallmeDee on 03:02 PM - 04/27/10
bdm.. The fact that you're going to a mostly conservative liberal arts college makes me cringe FOR you. Those Bill O'Reilly, Shepard Smith loving fox news-ers don't gang up on you and give you swirlies in the boys room do they?

Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: toysrme on 03:24 PM - 04/27/10
lol voli
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 03:39 PM - 04/27/10
bdm.. The fact that you're going to a mostly conservative liberal arts college makes me cringe FOR you. Those Bill O'Reilly, Shepard Smith loving fox news-ers don't gang up on you and give you swirlies in the boys room do they?



hahahaha
well i am conservative in ideals i suppose...but i HATE BOTH parties equally (hippies i hate the most- as they are a subgroup/party).  but it seems to be truly a conservative in their eyes, you can not be open to OTHER possibilities.  you can not think that the "right way" does not have drawbacks for other people.  theres so much hypocracy, that i begin to hate people at my school who i would agree with on abortion or whatever, BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO REAL REASON.  just because your parents said so, or you think god will punish you if you dont stand up against it, ARE NOT REASONS, they are excuses....

coming to college was suppose to be the best years of my life, from what im told. so far its only been torture.  theres no way im a liberal, but you dare not put me in the category of conservatives (after living in this filth for some time now).  maybe i am part of a silent majority that just goes "@#$% IS GOING ON WITH EVERYONE" lol. 
blah!
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: toysrme on 03:56 PM - 04/27/10
to answer the OTOD, send the ***** to jail
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: Voli on 04:35 PM - 04/27/10
GLENN BECK AND BILL OREILY FOR PRESIDENT AND VP!!!!!!
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: toysrme on 05:00 PM - 04/27/10
trust me dude. college is like high school. its only the best years of your life if you drink excessively, make a massive amount of friends & sleep around.
Title: Re: Should I Send Someone to Jail?
Post by: bdm214 on 11:50 AM - 04/28/10
ya....
i did MORE than enough of that in highschool lol.  I was blindly hoping that THIS experience would be different because the type of college this is suppose to be (what moron put that in people's heads, i wanna kickem square in the nuts). 

I guess it is different.  people drink less, but get more drunk.  people say they are @#$% up, but are tipsy.  girls think taking their clothes off means going down to their braws.  and if you do any of the above as they actually ARE, you are a strange outsider.  its like living in @#$% preschool with kids who play/act like their grownup (since the school itself is a TINY bubble, where no one ever leaves or goes into the city). 
kids in their 20s have air guitar competitions, with girls in the audience, and thats how they GET [email protected]#$%!
you wouldnt believe half of the stories i put on here about my experiences.  maybe ill make a thread and update it, because i really dont think most of anyone would believe the day to day experience, let alone the real CRAZY stories. 

and i stay because its one of the best/most prestigious colleges for psychology.  98% of the students got into any of the grad schools they want.   I think more and more of the people being treated by the students from here, and it becomes scary lol. 
FML