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Title: Home networking advice
Post by: Beezles on 11:50 AM - 07/14/16
Hey guys, long time - no post.

So I just bought a house and i'm planning on having my router in the living room and my computer/xbox in the basement.

Here's what i'm looking for:

what kind of cabling do i need? cat6 (or variant) or should i future proof and go cat7?

does it need to be shielded?

I want to make it look nice, so i'm going to have a 4port ethernet outlet next to the router, along with another one in the basement.
Do the female RJ45 connectors need to be cat specific?

Thanks for the help!
Title: Re: Home networking advice
Post by: PointBlankShot on 12:48 PM - 07/14/16
the cat ends are all the same.

go cat 7+ and shielded.  the longer the run the more important the shielding is. also cat 7 gives a reduced slowdown and loss over a longer run.  Although your runs wont be long enough to gain a supreme advantage over cat6, cat 7 is capable of faster transmission.

I would get the latest cat cable your devices can support.

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Title: Re: Home networking advice
Post by: Gurnaldo on 01:24 PM - 07/14/16
Go with the highest grade your devices support - thats the best piece of advice there but if ur just running cables internally or even channeled into the wall i think unshielded would be fine.  Shielded works better externally and is isnt best used for areas of bends etc.

Do some research and you mught find you dont need to go over the top and could save yaself some cash.
Title: Re: Home networking advice
Post by: Beezles on 01:28 PM - 07/14/16
ya, i plan to go through the wall.  it's probably about a 15' distance that'll be covered in the wall.
Title: Re: Home networking advice
Post by: Gurnaldo on 03:14 PM - 07/14/16
Distance wont be an issue as max distance on most common ethernet standards are 100 meters (90 for structured and 5 either side for patch cables)
Title: Re: Home networking advice
Post by: RML on 05:02 PM - 07/14/16
I have a 100ft. CAT5 ran through the attic to the man cave. I have the same performance I had with a 3 ft. cable. 

That being said, I would probably go CAT6 if I ever need a new cable. I don't really see the need to spend the money on CAT 7 ATM.

But hey, nothing wrong with Over Kill.
Title: Re: Home networking advice
Post by: PointBlankShot on 11:35 AM - 07/15/16
this is where i get all mine...

http://www.monoprice.com/category?c_id=105&cp_id=10525

monoprice
Title: Re: Home networking advice
Post by: Beezles on 11:40 AM - 07/15/16
Thanks for all the advice and information - i'll probably just end up with the cat7 to future proof (never know when/if google fiber or something similar will show up).

now... just gotta make some holes
Title: Re: Home networking advice
Post by: GreyMouser on 05:52 PM - 07/16/16
Hey Beezles,
Somewhat related, I found THIS (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001RV4T3U) to be very helpful when I ran a HDTV coax cable from my attic, through the wall, into a media center box in the floor below. Shoving bare wire through that wall was a nightmare. (Once it hit any resistance, the wire would just bunch up and not go any further). This pull rod was strong enough to punch past any resistance.

It's basically a giant, sectioned fly casting rod. The customer criticism that the sections come off while running the cable is real, but I worked around it by duct-taping the sections so they wouldn't come apart. (Also duct taped the cable to the end of the rod I ran through the wall so it wouldn't come loose). OFC, it only works in a relatively straight shot from point A to B as it doesn't bend that much.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Home networking advice
Post by: Amuro on 11:19 PM - 07/16/16
Is this the pull rod?  The technicians used something like that to pull the fibre through wire tube in the wall and  under the floor all the way from back of the kitchen to the living room.

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/andrewyl/HKBN/006.jpg)
Title: Re: Home networking advice
Post by: GreyMouser on 09:56 PM - 07/17/16
Is this the pull rod?  The technicians used something like that to pull the fibre through wire tube in the wall and  under the floor all the way from back of the kitchen to the living room.
Yes, very similar concept (if you were directing your question to me).
Title: Re: Home networking advice
Post by: Beezles on 11:24 AM - 07/18/16
i'm gonna borrow a few things from some friends - but after taking a look at where i'm running the cable - it appears as though it'll be pretty easy.
Title: Re: Home networking advice
Post by: PointBlankShot on 11:41 AM - 07/18/16
its called a fishing tape or "fish tape"... and usually comes in a reel.
Title: Re: Home networking advice
Post by: Beezles on 12:10 PM - 07/18/16
ya, he's letting me borrow a fishing line
Title: Re: Home networking advice
Post by: trenth on 09:41 PM - 07/24/16
I just put Cat 6 in my house. The difference between Cat 6 & 6A is that 6A will do 10Gbps over 100meters and 6 will only do 10Gbps at 110-165ft.

There is no reason to use Cat 7 unless you've got a router/switch that can use those speeds.
Title: Re: Home networking advice
Post by: PointBlankShot on 08:43 AM - 07/25/16
most routers bought within the last year can do cat7 speeds 1GBPS

100mbps is for the dummies
Title: Re: Home networking advice
Post by: Beezles on 02:26 PM - 07/26/16
Ya, I ran the lines last friday - had a little trouble getting through insulation without fishing rods, but i made it work.  Now just waiting for internet/cable to be activated to confirm that they work (they worked when i wired them, just waiting to confirm)
Title: Re: Home networking advice
Post by: FortyOne on 05:05 PM - 07/27/16
Hmm Cat7 seems like overkill and a waste of money.

Also, NO most devices don't use 10gbs speed.  Your computer, Router, and Console is most likely rated for 1Gbs.  A 10gbs nic alone costs between 300$ - 500$.  Unless your going to be doing some heavy data transfer or streaming hd video to something like a plex server you will probably never be using the max speed of 1Gbs.  Also in order to handle that network traffic you are gonna need one hell of an expensive industrial router.

Save some money.  The monoprice cat6 utp will work just fine.

most routers bought within the last year can do cat7 speeds 1GBPS

100mbps is for the dummies
  Cat7 is rated for 10Gbs I believe

Also you dont need shielded cable.

If you don't mind me asking how much did you pay for Cat7 cables?
Title: Re: Home networking advice
Post by: Beezles on 12:35 PM - 07/29/16
i ended up going with cat6, 200ft for like $17
Title: Re: Home networking advice
Post by: PointBlankShot on 01:06 PM - 07/29/16
http://www.monoprice.com/category?c_id=105&cp_id=10525
Title: Re: Home networking advice
Post by: RML on 04:46 PM - 08/02/16
Heck, after seeing the price of cat7 at that link I probably would've just gone for it. That's dirt cheap compared to the local market.