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Title: Nvidia Pascal GTX 1080
Post by: asilver on 12:22 PM - 04/12/16
50% more performance over 980 ti, but it's like half the size.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9sFrXg7NWU
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: asilver on 12:25 PM - 04/12/16
They're also in development for a new type of VR with faster rendering or something idk. I'm not getting into VR unless it becomes better for fps games.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: ZioComposite on 04:19 PM - 04/13/16
I'm assuming the 1080 will only be slightly stronger, around  10-15% of the 980Ti while the 1080 ti variant could be 25-50% stronger.   I'm all for better gpu but have little faith in Nvidia not milking it unless AMD decides bring something to the table.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: asilver on 07:14 PM - 04/13/16
Do they usually say 50% increase? I dont usually keep up with everything except to check out the new flagships, but I'm interested in this to see how it does in 4K.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: Od1n on 07:35 PM - 04/13/16
a yeah ago it was rumoured to be even stronger
50% is still a huge step up :)
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: amak1 on 10:23 PM - 04/13/16
Thats not for consumer, thats for industrial. Obvioulsy the consumer versions will be watered down. Still looking forward to an upgrade. June seems to be the majority of the rumors.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: ZioComposite on 11:52 AM - 04/14/16
Thats not for consumer, thats for industrial. Obvioulsy the consumer versions will be watered down. Still looking forward to an upgrade. June seems to be the majority of the rumors.


What are you running currently Amak?

Anyone with a 7xx-960 this would be a great upgrade whichever card comes up next for sure though.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 12:00 PM - 04/14/16
I was nearing buy the 980ti - I may wait and see how this turns out.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: ZioComposite on 12:12 PM - 04/14/16
At this point, I would say definitely hold on.  What's your current card and type of games, resolution/hz do you play with?

I bought my 980 ti back in August 2015 so definitely enjoying the heck out of it. :P  Don't see myself upgrading until 1080ti at the earliest and the more than likely the TI variant in 2017-18
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 12:18 PM - 04/14/16
Currently on a 7970 Ghz edition.

Currently playing 1080p 120hz..

But the GPU upgrade is for VR and Hopefully a 2k + 144hz monitor further down the line. Hopefully before the year is out.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: ZioComposite on 12:36 PM - 04/14/16
Definitely a good time to wait if the 1080 comes out in June.  By then you'd have the option to purchase cheaper 980 TI's, maybe even have VR in stock lol.

Essentially the 980 TI is the 1440P card.  Rise of the Tomb Raider will be 50-60FPS if you like to run things Ultra.  If you don't play Triple AAA games maxed out, it's a great card. 

I have a single 980 TI with the Predator X34 and have most games between 60-90FPS with medium-high settings.


Edit:

Actually I would say the 980 TI is the card for 1080p Ultra.  It's not bad for 1440P however the newer games are already starting to push it to the limit. 
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: amak1 on 01:47 PM - 04/14/16
I have sli 680's and believe it or not theyve done really good up until this point minus some sli issues i have to get in depth with. But for the majority of the time ive had them i was running a surround setup. Its definitely time for me to upgrade, but def waiting for the 1080 for now. 980ti might not be worth the upgrade... Sli can be a pain but its a beast when it works and is more cost effective.

Right now i agree with spiicy wait for the 1080 or ti version. Though its annoying everyone is trying to push the last of this gen hard right now.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: ZioComposite on 02:23 PM - 04/14/16
It really all depends on how DX12/drivers handles as on paper this should allow for SLI to be much more efficient.  Seriously crossing my fingers this allows future titles to yield better results when ran in SLI configurations.  If they can properly yield much better results w/less issues I'm all for buying another 980TI in two years vs buying into the new architecture. 

Monitor-wise, not upgrading for a good 6+ years until they finally have Ultrawide Oleds or the sort with 120hz as the norm lol.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: antithesis on 04:05 PM - 04/14/16
VR currently has issues with SLI, so don't jump the gun too early on that second 980Ti or you'll be pissing money up against the wall.

VR is the only way I'll go back to PC gaming...that and a powerful console-sized box. Until the quantum leap from 1080 to 4K gaming really hits its straps (Ultra should be the 4K default on PC, not Medium) and VR tech matures (if it matures...), I'll stick to the shallow end of the pool and keep on console gaming.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: amak1 on 06:56 PM - 04/14/16
Im pretty sure these guys will make quick work of sli problems with vr. Already there is a system that uses one gpu for each lens in vr. Of course devs have to implement it in the end. Also im really contemplating cancelling my vive order seeing as the games are so limited on that platform right now. Id probably just end up playing flight sims again.

I could be wrong but really my point was a 980ti might not be worth upgrading on the gen thats about to drop, historically the progression between each gen hasnt been super crazy. And if nvidia vr sli becomes widely adopted maybe a cheaper 980ti sli setup would be more cost effective. All speculation though but we will see soon for sure.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: antithesis on 07:10 PM - 04/14/16
Im pretty sure these guys will make quick work of sli problems with vr. Already there is a system that uses one gpu for each lens in vr. Of course devs have to implement it in the end. Also im really contemplating cancelling my vive order seeing as the games are so limited on that platform right now. Id probably just end up playing flight sims again.

There are already patches out to get Rift games working on Vive, including exclusives. The hack can be used for all current and future Rift titles, unless Oculus changes their development methodology to block it.

At this point in time, Vive's the pony to back, but I'm not spending several thousand dollars (thank you Australia tax!) on a decent gaming rig and VR headset just for mediocre tech demos, while Nvidia milks the public for all its worth with incremental upgrades instead of the generation-changing chips they already have up their sleeve.

4K on Ultra, SLI VR and a catalogue of AAA VR titles might win me back into the fold, but I think it's still a good 2-3 years away.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: amak1 on 01:24 PM - 04/15/16
Yea dude 4k triple a vr titles and hardware that will run it are years away.  And also im including rift titles in my analysis of vr titles need a lot of work. Im not scared of a little grease getting rift titles to work on the vive, none of them seem like they are very good though as a whole except flight/space/racing sims. Adrift looks amazing but they are far and few between.
            Cost is also way too high for a bunch of tech demos.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: antithesis on 10:09 PM - 04/15/16
Yea dude 4k triple a vr titles and hardware that will run it are years away.  And also im including rift titles in my analysis of vr titles need a lot of work. Im not scared of a little grease getting rift titles to work on the vive, none of them seem like they are very good though as a whole except flight/space/racing sims. Adrift looks amazing but they are far and few between.
            Cost is also way too high for a bunch of tech demos.

Here's the link - http://xim4.com/community/index.php?topic=39601.msg556673#msg556673

Downloading small game patches is all it takes to convert Rift to Vive. Apparently the Vive's room-scale walky-walky stuff works too.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: amak1 on 07:34 AM - 05/07/16
Gtx 1080 announced releases may 27th. Ill be getting one.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: Amuro on 07:59 AM - 05/07/16
Is the Titan coming out on that date?  I want the ones that use HBM.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: amak1 on 08:33 AM - 05/07/16
Nah just 1080 and 1070. Titan is too rich for my blood though i share the sentiment.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: Amuro on 09:09 AM - 05/07/16
Nah just 1080 and 1070. Titan is too rich for my blood though i share the sentiment.
There's the Ti model. 
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: asilver on 09:17 AM - 05/07/16
I'm waiting for the 1080 Ti
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 09:34 AM - 05/07/16
I'm waiting for the 1080 Ti

I want a GTX1080  i almost bought a 980ti i'm so glad i held out.
How much longer are Ti versions after the main cards?
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: amak1 on 12:31 PM - 05/07/16
Prolly gonna be a while, they need to sell 1080s, when i need more power ill just sli them when the price comes down. I need an upgrade, still rocking 2 680s. 1080ti will prolly take 4- 6 months going by trends.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 01:22 PM - 05/07/16
Prolly gonna be a while, they need to sell 1080s, when i need more power ill just sli them when the price comes down. I need an upgrade, still rocking 2 680s. 1080 will prolly take 4- 6 months going by trends.

So before the years out, or even Q1 2017 I would wait, even though newer cards will be right around the corner then, a 1080ti would be insane for what I need.

Would that card still pair well with a i72700k? (Assuming it will)
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: amak1 on 01:30 PM - 05/07/16
Id think so but at the same time it probably heavily depends on amd's response.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: He4DHuNt3r on 04:50 PM - 05/07/16
Would that card still pair well with a i72700k? (Assuming it will)

Might possibly be a bottleneck if you run it at stock speeds, is your CPU overclocked? :)
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 10:52 AM - 05/08/16
Would that card still pair well with a i72700k? (Assuming it will)

Might possibly be a bottleneck if you run it at stock speeds, is your CPU overclocked? :)

Genuinely? Its not OC'd don't really have any idea about OCing so i just left it alone.. It sounds time consuming.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: Zocus on 08:37 PM - 05/08/16
Would that card still pair well with a i72700k? (Assuming it will)

Might possibly be a bottleneck if you run it at stock speeds, is your CPU overclocked? :)

Genuinely? Its not OC'd don't really have any idea about OCing so i just left it alone.. It sounds time consuming.

2500K/2700K stock clock ... what a waste :) running my 2500K since 2011 at 4.95 Ghz.
Sandy is the best cpu made ever :)
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: amak1 on 04:20 AM - 05/09/16
Yea man im not worried about my 3770k bottlenecking and its a generation newer. Im sure itll be fine and you can oc if needed. Also ocing is pretty simple these days.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: asilver on 07:24 AM - 05/09/16
These are going to be insanely hard to buy at first, I still need a monitor worthy enough. I want to see real benchmarks though, instead of their top of the line rig running a single card.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GP100
Post by: Amuro on 07:54 AM - 05/09/16
Looking at the performance vs 980:
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/geforce-gtx-1080

I do not think it's all that fast other the in VR.  Waiting for the Ti model is probably wiser.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GTX 1080
Post by: asilver on 10:56 AM - 05/19/16
980 SLI still beats it by about 15 fps on most games. 1080 runs tomb raider like a beast tho, but who cares, I'm waiting until next year when asus comes out with their matrix ti version. It would def still be a good upgrade for me at 600$, but when spending that much you gotta go with top of the line, it won't be a flagship for long.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GTX 1080
Post by: antithesis on 03:37 PM - 05/19/16
Meh. Wake me when any card can pull a solid 60FPS @ 4K.

Until then, I'll stick to the far cheaper 60FPS @ 1080p on console and buy a PS4.5.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GTX 1080
Post by: amak1 on 06:25 PM - 05/19/16
The 1080 is more than capable of 4k at 60fps, not with maxxed out settings on most games but capable.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GTX 1080
Post by: asilver on 08:02 AM - 05/20/16
Ultra settings 4K is averaging about 30-50, huge step up for 4K. Still way too early imo tho, especially for fps games.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GTX 1080
Post by: amak1 on 09:12 AM - 05/20/16
People play fps games at ultra settings?
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GTX 1080
Post by: asilver on 10:07 AM - 05/20/16
144hz 120+ fps is what I prefer.

4K has input lag issues last I heard
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GTX 1080
Post by: TheRippedTrojan on 01:04 PM - 05/20/16
I am very excited for the 1080. I am quite impressed by the benchmarks released by various sites and can't wait to see how a Ti does. I recently bought a new house, and I am ashamed to admit that it was important to have an extra bedroom to be used exclusively for room scale VR.

I have been using a GTX 690 for the last few years and it has been (and still is) a great card for 1080p gaming. It just can't reasonably pull off VR. I am super stoked that so much power is available on a single card, SLI has been nothing but a pain in my @#$%.

How much PCIe bandwidth is required to fully utilize the 1080's power? Is PCIe bandwidth affect by your mobo or your processor?
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GTX 1080
Post by: antithesis on 04:00 PM - 05/20/16
The 1080 is more than capable of 4k at 60fps, not with maxxed out settings on most games but capable.

The whole appeal of a PC gaming rig is maxed settings.

I made the transition to console from PC in 2009 after my brand spanking new $3500 quad-SLI GTX 295 bleeding edge PC was still incapable of 1080p at anything resembling a decent framerate and I've barely touched it since. I'll happily play at lower res / FPS on console to forego the hardware circlejerk and MP hackers prevalent on PC, but if I'm gaming on PC I want the absolute best visual fidelity if I'm outlying a few grand on the thing.

Right now, that's 4K @ 60FPS at max settings, though ideally, it'd be 120FPS. I've waited close to a decade for the snail-like pace of PC hardware to meet consumer expectations, I'll wait a little longer.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GTX 1080
Post by: amak1 on 04:48 PM - 05/20/16
You're probably going to wait your whole life. Tbh. :)  Though you will have a cell phone more powerful than your xbone or ps4 in a year or two so thats something to look forward to.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GTX 1080
Post by: mist4fun on 06:22 PM - 05/20/16
How long after release does it usually take to start seeing new architecture in laptops?
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GTX 1080
Post by: gahagafaka on 01:25 PM - 05/27/16
feel like they usually launch in the fall
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GTX 1080
Post by: asilver on 08:39 AM - 06/10/16
They just released a couple days ago, you can get the founders for the advertised price, but the fan makes a little noise. I'm waiting for the evga atx to drop to it's advertised price or waiting for the ti if that doesn't happen. Probably going to dump 1500$+ into this upgrade so I'm in no rush.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GTX 1080
Post by: amak1 on 06:34 PM - 07/09/16
Ended up with a 1070, cant justify the extra price for the 1080 since my gaming is minimal and mostly vr these days. Works great for vr. Although when we get that 4k hmd, eye tracking, and hqrdware that can power it vr will be in its sweet spot. Interesting experience though but on the expensive side for what it is now.
Title: Re: Nvidia Pascal GTX 1080
Post by: PointBlankShot on 09:35 AM - 07/11/16
I am waiting for the 1060 released mid this month. http://www.polygon.com/2016/7/7/12116408/gtx-1060-price-release-date-specs