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Title: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: doses502 on 07:52 PM - 01/05/16
Hey guys, should I buy a gaming monitor for my xim4 set up or an LED 1080p? Im no expert on monitors/tv, so i need ur input on what to look for if i buy a LED tv!


Also, the RaZER Tartarus CHROMA.. Anyone use this joystick? my xim4 arrives tomorrow and im thinking about buying this joystick for my set-up. i know the razer tartarus is on the compatible list but is there any difference on the chroma version?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160106/8e67c87767c0cbf41c313545df7a27c3.jpg)
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: antithesis on 08:23 PM - 01/05/16
A monitor has lower lag than a TV, but a good TV has low enough lag that it doesn't really matter.

It all comes down to whether or not you game on the desktop, and what size screen you want to use.

I use a 32" Sony Bravia KDL32W700B on my desktop because that extra screen size makes a substantial difference over monitors, which typically top out at 27". With only 14ms of display lag, which is less than the time it takes to draw a single frame of a 60FPS game, it's "near enough is good enough" territory for my money.

Chroma simply means "customisable lighting" on the Tartarus. Get the Orbweaver if you want more buttons. Also, the thumbstick is digital rather than analog, which makes it useless for movement. Shouldn't matter if you use WASD for movement and is a good spot to map a d-pad.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: MindControlZombies on 10:17 PM - 01/05/16
A monitor has lower lag than a TV, but a good TV has low enough lag that it doesn't really matter.

It all comes down to whether or not you game on the desktop, and what size screen you want to use.

I use a 32" Sony Bravia WDL32W700B on my desktop because that extra screen size makes a substantial difference over monitors, which typically top out at 27".


Tvs suck for gaming they don't use the full rgb range, the input lag is worse then they print on the box
and they use more power + its quicker to look around 24inches then a Big tv, gaming on Big tv gives me a sore neck and over works my eye balls.
A 24 inch 1ms lcd monitor is the well better option. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Stevie_Wonder_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: antithesis on 10:49 PM - 01/05/16
thanks for ur input! yeah i may just get a tv since i get 'more bang for my $' as it is bigger. my budget is $200 or less. i was just worried about lag

I dare say for your $200 budget, you'll get a better monitor than TV though, so beware the brand you buy as not all TVs are created equal.

so 60mhz is more than enough or should i aim for more

60mhz is the fastest refresh rate you'll get on console. Anything more is a waste and will likely create more display lag as the increase mhz is usually done by post-processing, which is the opposite of what you want for gaming.

A 24 inch 1ms lcd monitor is the well better option.

Maybe better for you, but not for me. 24" is too small and likewise, the input lag is not as advertised.

I'm not the least bit concerned about 14ms display lag when I can spot an enemy easier on a larger screen.

Besides, the real enemy is internet lag and there's nothing a 1ms screen can do about that. Not to mention Father Time takes its toll on both eyesight and reaction speed.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: MindControlZombies on 11:00 PM - 01/05/16
lcd monitor stated input lag 1ms probably really 10ms Tv stated input lag 14ms more like 25 to 40ms
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: antithesis on 11:02 PM - 01/05/16
lcd monitor stated input lag 1ms probably really 10msTv stated input lag 14ms more like 25 to 40ms

Not mine, my friend. Independently tested at 14ms ;) I couldn't find any Sony data and had to rely on third-party testing.

Check out the model I posted and its big brother, the 40". Best gaming TVs money can buy. Otherwise, I would have stuck to a smaller, less impressive, dumb-terminal monitor.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: MindControlZombies on 11:26 PM - 01/05/16
its not just the fact that TVs lag more, limited rgb for gaming is inferior to full rgb which looks much better
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: antithesis on 11:29 PM - 01/05/16
its not just the fact that TVs lag more, limited rgb for gaming is inferior to full rgb which looks much better

Maybe for high-end PC gaming, but not console gaming, where we make sacrifices like frame-rate, turn-speed, poly counts and resolution in return for low-cost ease-of-play, so it's a complete non-factor.

Aside from quibbles like RGB and display lag, which let's be honest, are minor factors at best, I personally prefer what a TV does for gaming more than a small-screen monitor. I used to feed my PC racing games out to a 55" Bravia. It looks freaking awesome and is significantly more immersive than staring at a tiny box on a desktop.

The point is TVs are not as bad for gaming as they're made out to be by PC snobs and wanna-be CoD armchair warriors. There are pros and cons to both and unless you're a pro gamer, there's little point worrying about an undetectable amount of display lag at the cost of screen real estate. Just make sure the TV screen has a decent gaming mode, look into the display lag before purchase to ensure it's not a complete dog's breakfast and enjoy the other stuff you get to do with it, like...I dunno...watching TV.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: MindControlZombies on 11:41 PM - 01/05/16
if i was to put my monitor on limited rgb games look less good then full rgb :o



(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UbDoOkO624I/TCdIKFhO_HI/AAAAAAAABUQ/n5Z77MLvN0s/s1600/Stevie_Wonder_-_Get_It_(Featuring_Michael_Jackson).jpg)


Bed time for me :cya O)
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: antithesis on 11:42 PM - 01/05/16
if i was to put my monitor on limited rgb games look less good then full rgb :o

Sounds like a problem with your monitor ;)

Just as well my TV supports full Dynamic Range, meaning FULL RGB. I ran this test on my TV (http://www.nicolaspeople.com/ch3rokeesblog/?p=16), and it passed with flying colours. I can distinguish every box colour with ease.

Unfortunately, the 27" iMac right next door to the TV could not - the entire top row looks the same colour, no matter how high I crank the Brightness :hmm:.

Not that it matters, I never bothered to look into Limited vs Full RGB. I enabled Full RGB on my consoles and had the TV set to Auto, so I'm guessing it worked. I've now set all HDMI inputs to Full and will see if there's any difference.

Point being...TVs have Full RGB, depending on the model, so again, moot argument. I'll happily play on my Full RGB, 14ms confirmed display lag TV for the extra 5" of screen real estate it provides. It may not sound like much, but it's a dang sight bigger than 27" & substantially larger than 24" (way too small - I had a PS3D Display previously, which is dwarfed) and hits a real sweet spot for my eyes at the distance I sit from the screen. That said, if the TV was any larger than 32", I'd need a retina transplant and neck brace.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: MindControlZombies on 06:10 AM - 01/06/16
There is no problem with my monitor full rgb mode is for gaming and the correct setting , limited is for tvs for movies and TV, using limited limits the rgb range the screen can use, using full rgb is self explanatory

when they used my screen for MLG everyone had it set to full RGB

have you ever read any george orwell? 1+1=2

ant you make very good points and diagrams at times so i am not sure why your fighting common sense
when you are clearly smarter than that ;) (http://991.com/NewGallery/Stevie-Wonder-Sir-Duke-574937.jpg)
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: sbc2k1 on 06:50 AM - 01/06/16
For me anything over 23" is too big. 32" would be way too big.

Smaller is better IMO because it is a lesser area you have to focus on. I don't use my peripheral because I can literally see everything. For me it's much harder to spot enemies on larger screens ( it's a lot harder to discern movement once you get out of your central vision).

Your eyes best vision is only in the central 5 degrees of you FOV. Think about how ridiculously small an area that is. Even with images being larger they are still harder for me to see and react to. If I have to move my eyes too look for enemies then i'm not gonna have nearly the time to react if I just always look straight and can always see everything. 

I notice drastic improvements in my gaming along with much less strain on my eyes once I go under 27". After 23" I notice drastic 'negative returns'.

Obviously this is just my opinion, but I would never use anything over 23" and it would definitely be a monitor. Most pros use 23-24". Bigger is NOT better - everyone has their sweet spot (I have 20/20 vision).

Again, this is just my opinion that many people share... find yours.

Here is another thread. Most people don't play on large monitors.

http://xim4.com/community/index.php?topic=38421.15


http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/29648-27-inch-monitor-too-big/
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: antithesis on 07:18 AM - 01/06/16
ant you make very good points and diagrams at times so i am not sure why your fighting common sense
when you are clearly smarter than that ;)

Logic dictates that a 24-27", 1ms monitor is the "best" gaming screen. Logic also dictates that a PC is a far superior gaming option than a console.

So why do we game on consoles and use TVs as screens? Because if we let logic dictate our behaviour, we'd all be wearing sandals, driving Volvos and playing on beige PCs.

What's "best" is relative to the individual. Some of us prefer couch or desktop, small screen or large. My argument is simply not to rule out a quality HDTV because it can have both low display lag and full RGB, which is the basis of your position against TVs.

Both requirements can be met and you get a much larger screen to boot, along with additional functionality like TV, internet and media servers built-in, as well as comfort things like gaming on the couch, if that happens to float your boat.

For me anything over 23" is too big. 32" would be way too big. 

I notice drastic improvements in my gaming along with much less strain on my eyes once I go under 27". After 23" I notice drastic 'negative returns'.

Bigger is NOT better. Everyone has their sweet spot.  (I have 20/20 vision)

I don't have 20/20 vision and it's only going to get worse. 24" used to be positively monstrous, but it's tiny compared to what my eyes are comfortable with today.

Find what works for you. There are good monitors and good TVs, but most are bad. Invest in good gear and the technical differences are largely irrelevant and it becomes a decision about what "feels" right rather than letting logic dictate the outcome.

Most pros use 23-24".

Ah...the pros argument. But how many of us can make that claim? 99.9999999% of us AREN'T pros, so don't base a decision on what someone else is doing, find your own path. Simply do what feels right and is comfortable to use. For you, that's a 23" monitor. For me, it's a 32" HDTV. Both of us have relatively low-lag displays with full RGB. Neither of us is wrong. It's a simple matter of personal choice and no-one can categorically state what is and isn't "best" for someone else.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: sbc2k1 on 07:35 AM - 01/06/16
Exactly. Let people figure out what they prefer.

Most competitive gamers prefer smaller to bigger OP.

Independently find out what you like. If you are trying to play FPS competitively or aspire to play the best you can then 99% of anyone with any credentials will suggest a smaller monitor.

Most people prefer smaller monitors. Since most people prefer smaller monitors by a huge margin I think it would be safer to recommend what most people like over what the minority of people use.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: kayoussoldier on 07:42 AM - 01/06/16
For 200 bucks you'd be better off to go with a monitor. The benq rl2455hm is good for console gaming.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: antithesis on 07:47 AM - 01/06/16
Most people prefer smaller monitors. Since most people prefer smaller monitors by a huge margin I think it would be safer to recommend what most people like over what the minority of people use.

Likewise, most console gamers prefer to game from the couch by a huge margin. In which case, a smaller monitor isn't going to help, so it's easier to recommend what most people like over what the minority of people use.

Different horses, different courses.

I absolutely agree - for most desktop gamers, a low-lag 24-27" screen is the way to go, particularly considering the budget. Just know there are alternatives if you're not one of the bleating herd.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: sbc2k1 on 07:49 AM - 01/06/16
Most people prefer smaller monitors. Since most people prefer smaller monitors by a huge margin I think it would be safer to recommend what most people like over what the minority of people use.

Likewise, most console gamers prefer to game from the couch by a huge margin. In which case, a smaller monitor isn't going to help, so it's easier to recommend what most people like over what the minority of people use.

Different horses, different courses.

Play from the couch!? That's blasphemy.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: MindControlZombies on 08:01 AM - 01/06/16
For 200 bucks you'd be better off to go with a monitor. The benq rl2455hm is good for console gaming.
+1
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: MindControlZombies on 08:02 AM - 01/06/16
Most people prefer smaller monitors. Since most people prefer smaller monitors by a huge margin I think it would be safer to recommend what most people like over what the minority of people use.

Likewise, most console gamers prefer to game from the couch by a huge margin. In which case, a smaller monitor isn't going to help, so it's easier to recommend what most people like over what the minority of people use.

Different horses, different courses.

Play from the couch!? That's blasphemy.
haha  :)
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: Web-head on 09:54 AM - 01/06/16
I bought the Tartarus chroma and the Logitech G13 at the same time to test them.  While there are things I liked about the Tartarus better, I returned it and kept the G13.  The reason?  The analog stick.

Not going to go into a lengthy breakdown, but if you want to use the stick for movement, then the Tartarus is not going to work.  It is a digital... nub.  It's not even a stick.  It's almost like those old school arcade dials that you would find on games like Breakout or Arknoid, except it doesn't spin.  It is a nightmare to try and use for movement.

If you are interested in a gamepad with an analog stick that you can actually use for movement, get the G13.  If you are going to use WASD for movement, then the Tartarus is a good choice, because it is adjustable and a little more comfortable, to me, than the G13.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: MindControlZombies on 11:57 AM - 01/06/16
 Tartarus n52 etc with a analog stick mod wud b even better

 80 is a lot to drop on the g13 if you find it hurts your hand to use the stick and press buttons so best advice is to go to a shop and ask to try one instore and if its good 4u great  buy it :)

or order one check the for comfort if good gr8 if not send it back :) its like marmite u like it or u hate it
but they need to make a new improved version i doubt they will though man :(
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: Web-head on 12:10 PM - 01/06/16
G13 doesn't hurt my hand at all.  It's comfortable and very well made/sturdy.  I just think the Tartarus was a little better ergonomically.

G13 is like $50 on Amazon.  I see used n52te's for 3 times that, and then you have to mod them... how is that cheaper lol?
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: MindControlZombies on 12:20 PM - 01/06/16
pick n52s up cheap 2nd hand over here i got 1 from a flea market the originals were only about 25 until razer pimped it to a nostrom then they went up dude

i have had a g13 for about 3 or 4 years i tried to make it work out for me but it hurts my hands
the keys are cheap feeling too. i much prefer my corsair keyboard just waiting my t1 now and just checked tracking it is still in the usa i ordered it last week lol last tracking update was this "CHICAGO IL,
   Arrived at USPS Facility    December 31, 2015 - 8:45 am :( ha
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: Web-head on 12:26 PM - 01/06/16
I hear you, but I'm talking about now.  The price on used ones are pretty steep.  Not doubting that they aren't really good.  I loved the shape and the joystick angle, but not spending that much on something used, only to then have to either get parts for it to mod myself, or send it to someone to mod, for even more money.

For me, G13 and some Sugru for a better thumbstick nub ($60 total) was a better option.  If I could get an N52te for brand new with an analog stick already in it for that price, then I would definitely choose that.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: MindControlZombies on 12:39 PM - 01/06/16
yeah man i hope one day they see sense and make one it would be auwsome but razer would force you to uses cloud no onboard memory because they are ultra morons they say there for for gamers by gamers but they and logitech ignore what people want and give out half assed products that could have been perfect with just a lil extra stuff we need :)

(http://media.riffsy.com/images/0ac59d2e6b9c5544ad5baa19a6afd2ef/raw)
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: Web-head on 01:11 PM - 01/06/16
I really appreciate everyones input!  my xim4 is in my mailbox at home and gonna pick up the tartarus later and shop for a small new tv or monitor!     

Are you wanting to use the stick for movement?  Don't think I saw you answer this.  If you are, the TArtarus won't be good for that.  If not, then it's great.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: Web-head on 02:09 PM - 01/06/16
Cool. You should be happy with it then.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: gunit2004 on 02:26 PM - 01/06/16
its not just the fact that TVs lag more, limited rgb for gaming is inferior to full rgb which looks much better

Maybe for high-end PC gaming, but not console gaming, where we make sacrifices like frame-rate, turn-speed, poly counts and resolution in return for low-cost ease-of-play, so it's a complete non-factor.

Aside from quibbles like RGB and display lag, which let's be honest, are minor factors at best, I personally prefer what a TV does for gaming more than a small-screen monitor. I used to feed my PC racing games out to a 55" Bravia. It looks freaking awesome and is significantly more immersive than staring at a tiny box on a desktop.

The point is TVs are not as bad for gaming as they're made out to be by PC snobs and wanna-be CoD armchair warriors. There are pros and cons to both and unless you're a pro gamer, there's little point worrying about an undetectable amount of display lag at the cost of screen real estate. Just make sure the TV screen has a decent gaming mode, look into the display lag before purchase to ensure it's not a complete dog's breakfast and enjoy the other stuff you get to do with it, like...I dunno...watching TV.
Undetectable? Have you actually tried to see the difference? I guess it depends on the TV but if I can see a significant delay gong from a low input lag LED computer monitor and my Sony Lcd TV.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: Web-head on 03:08 PM - 01/06/16
Depends on the display.  There isn't a huge difference going from 9ms input lag (the best monitor) to around 20ms (the best non-monitor display).  It's when you get past 30ms that it really starts to be a problem, and even then, we are talking about a problem for elite gamers, not Joe Average.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: antithesis on 03:26 PM - 01/06/16
Depends on the display.  There isn't a huge difference going from 9ms input lag (the best monitor) to around 20ms (the best non-monitor display).  It's when you get past 30ms that it really starts to be a problem, and even then, we are talking about a problem for elite gamers, not Joe Average.

Bingo.

I don't know why so many people aspire to or pretend to be pro gamers. A difference of 5-10ms is bee's dick for the general public. I hate to tell you, but the vast majority of us ARE the general public.

We don't need pro gear, near enough is good enough for console gaming. If it wasn't, we'd be on PC to run the frame-rates that take advantage of low ms gear, playing games that turn on a dime.

Do some research and get a GOOD HDTV and the lag will be negligible. Given the best I can hope for my internet ping is 25ms, I'm pretty sure 14ms of display lag and 8ms of controller lag is going to do very little to my KDR when it takes, at BEST 16ms and more likely 25+ms, to draw a single frame.

If 10ms mattered that much, no-one would be playing Call of Duty on XB1 - the PS4 can hold a steady 50-60FPS whereas the XB1 struggles to hit above 35-45FPS. Convenience comes at a compromise and console gaming is all about convenience.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: am0b on 03:49 PM - 01/06/16
You could always get a CRT ......  ;D
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: Bertuzzi1616 on 06:38 PM - 01/06/16
Depends on the display.  There isn't a huge difference going from 9ms input lag (the best monitor) to around 20ms (the best non-monitor display).  It's when you get past 30ms that it really starts to be a problem, and even then, we are talking about a problem for elite gamers, not Joe Average.

Bingo.

I don't know why so many people aspire to or pretend to be pro gamers. A difference of 5-10ms is bee's dick for the general public. I hate to tell you, but the vast majority of us ARE the general public.

We don't need pro gear, near enough is good enough for console gaming. If it wasn't, we'd be on PC to run the frame-rates that take advantage of low ms gear, playing games that turn on a dime.

Do some research and get a GOOD HDTV and the lag will be negligible. Given the best I can hope for my internet ping is 25ms, I'm pretty sure 14ms of display lag and 8ms of controller lag is going to do very little to my KDR when it takes, at BEST 16ms and more likely 25+ms, to draw a single frame.

If 10ms mattered that much, no-one would be playing Call of Duty on XB1 - the PS4 can hold a steady 50-60FPS whereas the XB1 struggles to hit above 35-45FPS. Convenience comes at a compromise and console gaming is all about convenience.
::)
They really aren't that different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eek-JUnFQ40 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eek-JUnFQ40)
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: MindControlZombies on 09:15 PM - 01/06/16


If you have a gaming monitor you have to match the settings with the screen


So your monitor will be set on full rgb 0-255 as default and your console will be set on limited rgb 16-235 as default

A TV uses 16-235 color range, computers use 0-255 and gaming monitors are  set on this setting
unless you change it .

Tv's are set at 16-235 color range unless you change it.

So here is a simple test for you with your console connected to your monitor with hdmi/dvi

Step1 check settings and make sure your monitor
is set to to full range RGB 0-255

Step2 set your ps4/ps3 or xbox1/xb360 on RGB 16-235 limited
take a few seconds to look at the result and then go back to settings

Step3 set your consoles RGB range to full take a few seconds to look at the result and then go back to settings

Step4 set your ps4/ps3 or xbox1/xb360 on RGB 16-235 limited
boot cod and play a short private match against the bots.

Step5 close cod and set your consoles RGB range to full
boot cod and play a short private match against the bots.




 Full range RGB will always be superior to limited. It's a wider gamut range,
but do not change your Tv to full unless it fully supports full rgb or it will look worse and may even damage your TV



I can feel the delay on a lg tv even in game mode and when a tv is not in game mode its like 44ms delay
compared with 9ms or 10ms on a low lag gaming monitor, if you cant feel that lag in fps then good for you
I can it is not placebo.Slow input is slower and Fast input is faster its pretty simple really.

Copy and past this post and send it as a question To visual experts like Richer sounds and they will confirm that it is correct.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: mikael on 11:21 PM - 01/06/16
I can notice the difference very very clearly I guess it's different depending on people. I can't even play for more than 10 minutes on a TV anymore even though I have a TV that advertises as 2 milliseconds
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: antithesis on 04:16 AM - 01/07/16
I can feel the delay on a lg tv even in game mode and when a tv is not in game mode its like 44ms delay
compared with 9ms or 10ms on a low lag gaming monitor, if you cant feel that lag in fps then good for you
I can it is not placebo.Slow input is slower and Fast input is faster its pretty simple really.

You should see the difference between 44ms and 10ms, that's a large enough performance gap for it to register. I can definitely feel the difference between 50ms (old ISP) and 25ms (new ISP) ping. But the difference between 14ms and 10ms? Not likely.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: flyingbanana on 07:49 AM - 01/07/16
Hey guys, should I buy a gaming monitor for my xim4 set up or an LED 1080p? Im no expert on monitors/tv, so i need ur input on what to look for if i buy a LED tv!

Whatever you chose to buy, check on displaylag.com before buying. And let me assure you, my tv has a gaming mode preset which basically tries to lower the input lag to as low as possible but it doesn't even come close to the monitor I usually use for console gaming which is a benq rl2455hm (under 200$ btw so u might wanna check it out).

Also, bigger isn't better, since with e.g. a 24" monitor, you can focus on a smaller area.

Whatever you do, play on a wired connection, otherwise you're wasting your time thinking about input lag from your screen.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: Starkasm on 09:12 AM - 01/07/16
Tartarus Chroma is what I use. It works great.

There is a lot of latency using a TV in my experience. I use an HDMI monitor,  feels great!

Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: Web-head on 09:27 AM - 01/07/16
@MindControl,

Not sure why you are mentioning 44ms input lag and asking if people will feel a difference.  I already said that it is when input lag gets over 30ms that you start to perceive issues.  There are displays that aren't monitors that have input lag in the low 20's, though, so... yeah.

The best monitors have the lowest input lag available, but there are non monitor displays that have lag times in the low 20's.  Some of them, like the Sony 40ES, don't even sacrifice PQ to get lag times that low.  If you want to use a monitor to play with, then by all means do so.  Just know, that there are other options, and again, the difference between 9ms and 20ms is negligible.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: Web-head on 11:51 AM - 01/07/16
The 4ms listed for that monitor is not the input lag number.  It refers to response time.  Not the same.
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: MindControlZombies on 12:05 PM - 01/07/16
:-)  another issue for me is my TVs use more power our electric bills are smaller because of lower energy tech compared with what we had a few years ago but my Tvs still use far more then a 24monitor

And TVs give off more heat, in summer i have to have fans blazing and if i put the Tv on it gets much worse
i think my old tv uses 300watts of power my monitor is probably 60 to 90watts
if i put my old lg tv on and a fat ps3 theres no need to have the heating on as those two
would heat the whole house :) an the ps4 gets quite warm too :)
Title: Re: Monitor or TV? also Razer Tartatus Chroma
Post by: Ding Chavez on 12:15 PM - 01/08/16
FPS gaming - monitor, xim, desk, headphones

Everything else - projector (best screen size to price ratio!), controller, couch, surround sound system