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Title: TuFFrabit keyboads HUZZAH!!!
Post by: tuffrabit on 12:36 PM - 05/15/15
So I'm tired of modding Razer's crap.  Yes, it's doable, but it's also hacky and the end result is often not very attractive.  I had the idea years ago to design and build my own gamepad from the ground up with the desired features baked in.  Now I'm finally getting around to doing it.

Here's my progress so far...

(http://i.imgur.com/MlxwErM.jpg)

Yes.  That is a PCB of my design that arrived in a batch of 10 from China last week.  I know you guys are gonna complain about the Cherry Blues, but that's what I had laying around.  I will update this thread as things develop.
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Post by: ak-xs on 02:06 PM - 05/15/15
nice! i'm sure it will turn out great, better than razer crap by some plus also cheaper by a lot..
keep us posted ^^
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Post by: W11cE on 02:24 PM - 05/15/15
Wait, am i seeing BLUE switches?!?
Im out of here!
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Post by: colb on 03:06 PM - 05/15/15
Hey, I love blues!
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Post by: mist4fun on 03:43 PM - 05/15/15
Looks like fun, keep us updated.
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Post by: tuffrabit on 03:52 PM - 05/15/15
Well, it works.  Wired it up to a teensy and ran my matrix scanner sketch.  Here's the print out:

Code: [Select]
6 = 10
6 = 9
6 = 8
6 = 7
5 = 10
5 = 9
5 = 8
5 = 7
4 = 10
4 = 9
4 = 8
4 = 7
3 = 10
3 = 9
3 = 8
3 = 7
2 = 10
2 = 9
2 = 8
2 = 7

Probably means nothing to most of you.  Having the first PCB I've ever designed work on the first revision boards on the first try??? So cool!
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Post by: Od1n on 06:32 PM - 05/15/15
cherry blue?
uargh

(http://media.tumblr.com/5ddf5666c8d85aa9d147c86cacf4e863/tumblr_inline_mi0utzRXdD1qz4rgp.gif)
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Post by: tuffrabit on 08:55 PM - 05/15/15
You guys are switch snobs.  These blues were free to me and were laying around.  I'm not gonna sell something with blues in it to somebody, but they do just fine in a first run prototype.

Anyways... every time somebody complains about my prototype switch choice I will deduct one influence point from said person's feature and ergonomics design pool.  So put that in your straw and suck it.

Back on topic.  I've got it typing real things now.  Tomorrow I'm gonna mount the PCB on a bare piece of wood and rough carve a wrist support.  Will probably play some Destiny with it.
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Post by: colb on 10:05 PM - 05/15/15
You guys are switch snobs.  These blues were free to me and were laying around.  I'm not gonna sell something with blues in it to somebody, but they do just fine in a first run prototype.

Anyways... every time somebody complains about my prototype switch choice I will deduct one influence point from said person's feature and ergonomics design pool.  So put that in your straw and suck it.

Back on topic.  I've got it typing real things now.  Tomorrow I'm gonna mount the PCB on a bare piece of wood and rough carve a wrist support.  Will probably play some Destiny with it.
Nothing wrong with blues. It's not the first choice for FPS, but I use them over reds for a reason.

If you need a beta tester... You know how to find me ;)
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Post by: tuffrabit on 07:10 PM - 05/16/15
(http://i.imgur.com/HVxjCin.jpg)
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Post by: mist4fun on 08:48 PM - 05/16/15
It looks like the beginning of something great. Have you thought of a name for it yet? Tuff Pad?
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Post by: tuffrabit on 08:51 PM - 05/16/15
Both the bottom of the PCB and my code project is named narwhal.
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Post by: roads on 02:38 AM - 05/17/15
No its Tuffpad as Mist said naming it otherwise is futile. I just think you need some clever idea to make it different. For example start with the third dimension :D
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Post by: 4armed on 03:19 AM - 05/17/15
very nice tuff.  I have absolutely no idea how any of that stuff works, but the fact you're building it ALL yourself is cool.  Good luck with the project :) 

You should ship the first 1000 units of "TuffPad", with limited edition bunny ears lol
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Post by: tuffrabit on 02:30 PM - 05/18/15
Update.  Mounted the finished PCB, extra cherry switch (for a "spacebar"), analog joystick, and a 5-way mini switch. The next step is play test it for a little while to make sure I've got the arrangement and features right. Then I'll start designing a proper enclosure. Played Destiny on Xbox One for a few hours with it, worked like a champ. I call it Narwhal.

(http://i.imgur.com/qPNp5ML.jpg)
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Post by: W11cE on 02:44 PM - 05/18/15
Wait, two joysticks? Interesting...
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Post by: tuffrabit on 02:50 PM - 05/18/15
Nah, the bottom one you see is the hat on top of a 5 way mini switch.  https://www.adafruit.com/products/504
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Post by: roads on 10:07 PM - 05/18/15
Will it have Wifi and an Iphone App to configure, macros and profiles?
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Post by: W11cE on 07:34 AM - 05/19/15
No, but it will have bluetooth and Android app for configuration...
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Post by: roads on 07:36 AM - 05/19/15
euhhhh...
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Post by: tuffrabit on 07:48 AM - 05/19/15
Probably not mobile.  Most likely something cross platform like python and gtk that can run on mac, windows, and linux.
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Post by: W11cE on 08:41 AM - 05/19/15
Hmm. This got me thinking, why we havent tried wifi with these yet? Should be possible to do a web server on teensy. Universal and no coding for multiple systems required. This one goes to my list of endless features.
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Post by: tuffrabit on 08:43 AM - 05/19/15
This is true.  Gotta find a cheap wifi chip though, otherwise the price of the production units go way up.
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Post by: tuffrabit on 08:45 AM - 05/19/15
Maybe this one: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13252
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Post by: W11cE on 08:51 AM - 05/19/15
Yeah, thats the one. In addition to that micro sd card is required for the files.
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Post by: tuffrabit on 08:55 AM - 05/19/15
And probably a LCD screen.  Maybe this one: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/255
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Post by: roads on 08:56 AM - 05/19/15
Cmon guys you cant choose wifi over BT hahaha
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Post by: roads on 08:57 AM - 05/19/15
should work on Xim and PC please.
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Post by: tuffrabit on 08:58 AM - 05/19/15
It already works on XIM.  I've been playing Destiny with it.
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Post by: roads on 09:01 AM - 05/19/15
Then make it work on PC now. Why are you typing messages, the whale needs your help or what was its name? LOL
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Post by: W11cE on 09:03 AM - 05/19/15
Naah, i dont think screen is needed. 3 rgb leds should be enough. Costs nothing.

But it works on PC also aready.
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Post by: tuffrabit on 09:04 AM - 05/19/15
How would one connect it to a wifi network without a screen?  Hook it up to a PC?
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Post by: W11cE on 09:17 AM - 05/19/15
Dont think too far :D
I havent even checked how complicated pairing is. The first thing that comes to my mind is simple configuration over serial connection on usb.
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Post by: roads on 09:37 AM - 05/19/15
Naah, i dont think screen is needed. 3 rgb leds should be enough. Costs nothing.

But it works on PC also aready.

Thought this too first but active configuration shown  is quite cool.
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Post by: tuffrabit on 09:45 AM - 05/19/15
Ok then... we can always add an LCD later if we need to.  Better to start with just the wifi chip and a SD card.  What SD reader and card have you used with teensy in the past?  I'll go ahead and buy the stuff and begin tinkering.
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Post by: roads on 09:48 AM - 05/19/15
Any idea on the shape already?
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Post by: tuffrabit on 09:52 AM - 05/19/15
I have some thoughts on enclosure shape, nothing concrete yet.  My plan was to group design an enclosure.  So any ideas or drawings you (or anybody else) want to do would be welcome.
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Post by: roads on 10:13 AM - 05/19/15
Yes I think it has to be the shape of a boob. Best shape ever :D
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Post by: tuffrabit on 10:17 AM - 05/19/15
I'm fine with a boobie board.  Draw something.
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Post by: roads on 10:35 AM - 05/19/15
What I could image nice is memory foam and only static pieces the keyboad and the stick.
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Post by: tuffrabit on 10:39 AM - 05/19/15
Are you being serious?  Because fire hazard aside, that's not a horrible idea.
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Post by: W11cE on 10:40 AM - 05/19/15
Ok then... we can always add an LCD later if we need to.  Better to start with just the wifi chip and a SD card.  What SD reader and card have you used with teensy in the past?  I'll go ahead and buy the stuff and begin tinkering.
I have used the regular teensy mSD card adapter with just some generic mSD card. You can use even bare SD card socket as the communication is SPI with 3.3v logic.
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Post by: roads on 10:48 AM - 05/19/15
Are you being serious?  Because fire hazard aside, that's not a horrible idea.

Yeah why not, could be comfy
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Post by: tuffrabit on 11:05 AM - 05/19/15
This one should work then: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/544

I only want to buy crap from one place.
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Post by: W11cE on 11:32 AM - 05/19/15
Yeah, that should be ok.
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Post by: tuffrabit on 11:33 AM - 05/19/15
First problem.  That wifi card needs more power than the teensy can give it.
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Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 12:19 PM - 05/19/15
This is really cool, how come you never went for the offset key rows?
Its cool, I suppose the answer to that is "because I wanted straight rows!"

Just thinking if you had any intention to sell/make this for others, a familiar design would be more welcome. Also I hear talk of a wrist pad?

If the whole thing stands no taller then a standard keyboard, I'd say leave the wristpad as either optional or detachable?

Just blurting all this at you because basically I would like one of these very much sir! (With offset keys, standing no taller then a normal keyboard, without a wristpad.) That would pretty much be a perfect layout for me.

I'm a little jealous that I won't get or be able to make one of these :(.
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Post by: tuffrabit on 12:52 PM - 05/19/15
Yes, the intention is to finalize a feature set against a specific design in such a way so that it's (relatively) easy to reproduce and therefore sell.  So far, it's been easier than modding and orbweaver.
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Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 12:56 PM - 05/19/15
Well that's actually surprising to hear, but welcome.

Guess I'll have to follow this, and hope it somehow ends up close to something I'd like and want to use. I get this is your baby, but I feel rather strongly about the offset keys, its the one area I felt most if not all other keypads drop the ball.
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Post by: tuffrabit on 01:00 PM - 05/19/15
Honestly, I prefer non offset.  There will be at least one PCB revision, so it's conceivable that I can produce two different PCB's... one offset and one not.  As far as removable wrist support goes, the enclosure design is still up in the air.
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Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 01:14 PM - 05/19/15
Regardless of my thoughts, this is a no brained awesome idea.
So many XIM users here will jump on this.

The whole reason I bought the Orb was to free up not only my Desk but the plugging / unplugging of my primary keyboard. (I'd tried a USB switcher, but it wasn't consistent enough)

The Orb's shape and layout was horrible, I still felt like there should have been a proper "space bar" type button in place of that clicky flappy panel. Also the incline and wristpad were awkward too..

The one true thing we can all agree on, is the fact that a keyboards height and general layout out is not only familiar, but comfortable too.
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Post by: Winnnie on 01:27 AM - 05/20/15
Im an offical Orbweaver Policeman, i hear by inform you to CEASE work on this atrocity!
Heathen!
Its a monstrosity!

Joke!  ;D ;D

A massive gap in the market Tuff is the left handed players, if you could consider a ambidextrous or a home modifiable options (eg pop the thumb stick over on the left side)

Love it, saw it on your stream, wish i had the brains to do this kinda stuff.

Winnnnnnnnnnnie
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Post by: roads on 03:50 AM - 05/20/15
Winnie has a point no left handed device out there.
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Post by: BuryUrDad on 04:03 AM - 05/20/15
Horay, raise your fist for the left hand players! :)
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Post by: Winnnie on 05:37 AM - 05/20/15
Winnie has a point no left handed device out there.

When i post, i post WITH POWER!

:)

Winnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnie
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Post by: tuffrabit on 07:46 AM - 05/20/15
Left handed ability has been on my mind from the start.  I have ideas for how to implement it.  Fret not.
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Post by: Winnnie on 08:14 AM - 05/20/15
Only because Tuesday the 5th of May, i stood by your bed and whispered into your ear:

THINK OF THE LEFTIES.

Oh, just so you know, it was me that opened the curtains that night.....and i made sure the fridge door was closed, im not sure why it got stuck open.

Winnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnie
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Post by: MrSir on 01:27 PM - 05/22/15
(http://skullsnbones.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/12/shut-up-and-take-my-money-9299-2560x1600111.jpg)
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Post by: B1LL0DDIE on 06:34 PM - 05/22/15
Oooooohhhh mi guuuuuudd
I need dis in mi lyfe
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Post by: roads on 10:28 PM - 05/22/15
Tuff, the design of having three dpads around the stick is quite interesting. Id do two d-pads left and below the thumb stick and a cherry below as kinda shift button.
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Post by: tuffrabit on 08:55 AM - 05/23/15
I dunno roads, that would be very non standard.  I'm going for something that's familiar but with all the features we've always wanted + natively ambidextrous.  I'm not arguing that something like what you're describing could be really useful.  I'm just saying that most people are gonna look at that and say no thanks, myself included.  Most people just want a button for their thumb and a dpad.  Enough people also want a joystick within thumb range to justify including one.  I'm also considering adding some kind of throttle control.  Trying to come up with placement, design, and justification is problematic though.
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Post by: roads on 10:38 AM - 05/23/15
Alright your device was just thinking loud :D
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Post by: Soulo on 01:21 PM - 05/23/15
Holy @#$% this is awesome!   I don't have much input since I don't know crap about this stuff.  I like the belkin n52TE design but I like how orb weavers wrist pad is adjustable to lengthen etc.   You worked on a few belkins for me in the past tuff you sent me yours and what I enjoyed most about it is the elevated button below the dpad.  Its like my thumb slightly rested on it.  You know I have been wanting this @#$% thing forever so hurry up and get to work I want a Tuffpad!
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Post by: tuffrabit on 09:16 AM - 05/25/15
Anybody have any 3d modeling software recommendations?  Right now I'm going through the Tinkercad tutorials and making good progress.
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Post by: killawink64 on 11:47 AM - 05/25/15
Blender, automax 3ds, maya, mudbox.blender is free, the others are free for 3 years (I think you just make an account). Any 3d modeling software takes a bit to learn/get used to. I use automax 3ds myself.
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Post by: tuffrabit on 12:58 PM - 05/26/15
http://www.youtube.com/v/tdHspLP-zmQ&hd=1

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdHspLP-zmQ
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Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 06:14 AM - 05/27/15
Looks good tuff, I'll echo Roads when he said "its your baby, just thinking out loud here".

One problem I have with XIM is wire management, it sits awkwardly wherever I put it because wires come from two sides of the box.

On your Narwhal you have the wires coming out towards you, this could make sense for a couch player, but I imagine would be a headache for desk players?

How about having the USB on a detachable connection, where you can unplug the USB straight from the device, maybe have the option of having the cables somehow come from the top or bottom of the device?

Sounds like more work I guess, and although it doesn't matter what I think, I'm really not liking that one part about it. I would have to drill holes in my desk to hide the cables. My 2 year old would pull the Narwhal straight off my desk with such a setup xD.

But non the less, very impressed, can't wait to see the actually piece printed.
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Post by: tuffrabit on 08:02 AM - 05/27/15
Sorry, in the video when I said wires... I was referring to the connection wires between the side module thumb buttons and the USB controller.  You won't see or interact with those.  The single USB cable will come out of the back or something.
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Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 08:12 AM - 05/27/15
Sorry, in the video when I said wires... I was referring to the connection wires between the side module thumb buttons and the USB controller.  You won't see or interact with those.  The single USB cable will come out of the back or something.

Ohhhh i see, derp sorry, in my defense i was sneakily watching this at work, so i didn't pay a lot of attention to what you were saying outside of "wires coming from here" lol.

I've just watched the video and it actually makes perfect sense xD.
Sorry dude, i have a habit of putting my foot in it.
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Post by: toqy on 09:15 AM - 05/27/15
Just whittle the enclosure from wood so you don't have to learn solidworks
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Post by: tuffrabit on 09:27 AM - 05/27/15
Thought about doing that and then passing it off to a person to 3D model it.  But I'd rather keep this to myself and learn something new.

Besides... somebody, who owns a 3D printer and shall remain nameless, has presented themselves to me and offered their services for prototype printing.  So, I'll get it as close as I can and have a prototype printed, make adjustments and try again.
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Post by: mist4fun on 10:08 AM - 05/27/15
Nice work Tuff. Including the wrist rest, do you know roughly what your intended dimensions are?
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Post by: tuffrabit on 10:33 AM - 05/27/15
I'm gonna post another progress video later today.  I'll talk about dimensions then.  This thing is still in major flux.
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Post by: Beezles on 10:36 AM - 05/27/15
rabit, i left a reply on your vid
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Post by: tuffrabit on 11:22 AM - 05/27/15
http://www.youtube.com/v/Dfb85HCAg4k&hd=1

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dfb85HCAg4k

@mist - It looks like the dimensions are going to be something like:

4.5 inches wide
6 inches long
.75 inches tall
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Post by: tuffrabit on 04:01 PM - 05/28/15
http://www.youtube.com/v/UQ0I2EffDCI&hd=1

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ0I2EffDCI
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Post by: ScopeLoc on 08:25 AM - 06/02/15
Nice work rabbit
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Post by: ScopeLoc on 09:24 AM - 06/02/15
Rabbit would you sell me a few of those PCB you have
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Post by: tuffrabit on 09:39 AM - 06/02/15
Sorry, I'm not selling my current PCB's.  I'd consider selling just PCB's after a hardware revision or two.  They're pretty rough currently.
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Post by: tuffrabit on 09:24 AM - 06/12/15
Update.

I've stopped 3D modelling.  I realized that I could try 3 or 4 times and still not have something sell-able.  I'm talking to a professional right now.  I'll update more when I know for sure what's gonna happen.
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Post by: abc123 on 09:53 PM - 06/12/15
sexy, shouldn't this be in the Member Project's Thread?
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Post by: roads on 10:34 PM - 06/12/15
If you really want to sell that fisjh you should think of the need to be operate it blind and be able to pick it up. Hint : VR
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Post by: flst81 on 03:27 PM - 07/07/15
just checking how things are going. Posted here instead of PM'ing so other people know as well. I know there are many interested parties in this :D
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Post by: tuffrabit on 03:52 PM - 07/07/15
Sigh.  Hit a bit of a road block on the enclosure.  I've got two designers I'm talking to.  It's slow going mainly due to not hearing from either of them for a while.  I may have to hunt down another.
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Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 05:19 PM - 07/07/15
Sigh.  Hit a bit of a road block on the enclosure.  I've got two designers I'm talking to.  It's slow going mainly due to not hearing from either of them for a while.  I may have to hunt down another.

Don't give up tuff! :D
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Post by: flst81 on 09:07 AM - 07/08/15
I'm sure it's frustrating as hell. Hang in the brother, all good projects take time. I bet even Steve Jobs ran into some massive headaches.  As Yeesh said don't give up.
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Post by: roads on 09:10 AM - 07/08/15
I like the comparison :D
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Post by: flst81 on 09:34 AM - 07/08/15
I want this to happen so badly. There are only 2 decent things like this on the market that I know about. One of which I'm currently using. If my man here can make something better I'll be first in line to buy one. I realize comparing Steve Jobs to anyone may be sacrilege to Apple fans but he was the first person that came to mind. Regardless the analogy still holds. No project ever goes smoothly even for the great innovators of our time.
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Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 10:01 AM - 07/08/15
This pic is of the kind of pad i'm looking for, only it would need to have the keys spaced like they are on a regular keyboard (non uniform) with full size mechanical keys.

Essentially just a keyboard cut down the middle i guess.
I can't understand why no one has thought to do this. It's familiar but compact and exactly as comfortable as using a regular keyboard.

(http://www.a4tech.nl/Repository/4217/A4-X7-G100_hires_photo---37eac776-c6dc-4082-8ee8-02f606eb1710.jpg)

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Post by: sbc2k1 on 06:31 AM - 07/09/15
Machine a prototype out of aluminum.

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Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 12:25 AM - 08/28/15
Bump!

Come on tuff when can I place my order?
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Post by: flst81 on 06:51 PM - 08/28/15
I'm already testing out the first production model for him. I wish
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Post by: tuffrabit on 09:58 AM - 08/29/15
Getting the ambidextrous part is proving difficult.  I have two new ideas that I'm playing with.
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Post by: mist4fun on 10:24 AM - 08/29/15
Do you have 3d modelling skills that rival Dale yet?
Title: Re: TuFFrabit keyboads HUZZAH!!!
Post by: GuNStArHeRo on 10:42 AM - 08/29/15
Hey, I love blues!

same here.
Title: Re: TuFFrabit keyboads HUZZAH!!!
Post by: tuffrabit on 03:41 PM - 09/03/15
I may just offer separate left and right handed versions.  Though, that will limit resell value.  Decisions...
Title: Re: TuFFrabit keyboads HUZZAH!!!
Post by: flst81 on 05:43 PM - 09/03/15
Forget about the lefties like everyone else does ;-)
I'll order mine now please.
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Post by: antithesis on 08:41 AM - 09/11/15
Forget about the lefties like everyone else does ;-)
I'll order mine now please.

I'd go the other way - there is NOTHING out there for left-handed gamers, but plenty of options for righties.

Is it better to get 1/10th of 90% (righties), or 9/10th of 10% (lefties)? The marketshare is ultimately the same, but this'll be a much easier sell to lefties due to zero competition, even if it's only half-way competent.

We may be outnumbered by righties, but we have a need that no-one else is fulfilling.
Title: Re: TuFFrabit keyboads HUZZAH!!!
Post by: tuffrabit on 08:46 AM - 09/11/15
I have a plan to accommodate both.  I've given up trying to find a designer.  The few who I talked either wanted WAY to much $$$ or just disappeared.  I've got a really good idea to tackle the ambidextrous problem that should make the 3D modeling much easier.

This is of course assuming somebody like Beezles or Dale doesn't just jump in a do us all a solid and design something amazing.
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Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 03:41 AM - 09/15/15
Probably a little bit of a dick move dropping this in your project Tuff..

I'll open something up in member projects, I can see me wanting to update it a lot as I move along. Plus I'm sat here with quiet a few questions whizzing around.
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Post by: GuNStArHeRo on 06:48 PM - 10/19/15
think you could mod my k95 for me with MX Blues?
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Post by: SE4N on 08:09 PM - 10/29/15
Not sure if anyone's seen this already but I was looking around thingiverse and found basically a 3d print ready n52te/nostromo housing.

link: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:998570

No clue if this helps tuffrabbit with his original idea or w\e but it looks like it could easily be ambidextrous with a small modification. Could also be slightly modified to fit an analog stick instead of an extra mechanical key.

Obligatory image
(https://i.imgur.com/S2XJdt1.jpg)

So, any Ximmers with a 3d printer got some spare time to kill?
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Post by: tuffrabit on 06:46 AM - 10/30/15
Thanks for finding that.

That thing looks rough.  Needs some sanding or something.
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Post by: SE4N on 07:01 AM - 11/04/15
Yo tuff, I just picked up a N52te off ebay last week. I want to mod it with a teensy joystick, but all the threads with pictures are pretty much dead and the pictures are missing. Do you happen to have any wiring diagrams/pictures for the teensy and analog stick?

Also if you don't mind could you link me to the analog stick you're using? Thanks.
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Post by: ScopeLoc on 06:04 PM - 01/14/16
If anyone can make that comptroller body above I would buy one
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Post by: abc123 on 09:30 AM - 03/11/16
where is this tuff?

Yo tuff, I just picked up a N52te off ebay last week. I want to mod it with a teensy joystick, but all the threads with pictures are pretty much dead and the pictures are missing. Do you happen to have any wiring diagrams/pictures for the teensy and analog stick?

Also if you don't mind could you link me to the analog stick you're using? Thanks.

http://xim4.com/community/index.php?topic=8122.0
images here: http://xim4.com/community/index.php?topic=8122.msg477090#msg477090

they are basically just this: http://www.lightinthebox.com/2pcs-replacement-3d-vibrating-rocker-joystick-for-xbox-one-controller_p1638091.html%3Fcurrency%3DUSD%26litb_from%3Dpaid_adwords_shopping%26utm_source%3Dgoogle_shopping%26utm_medium%3Dcpc%26adword_mt%3D%26adword_ct%3D89386576834%26adword_kw%3D%26adword_pos%3D1o1%26adword_pl%3D%26adword_net%3Dg%26adword_tar%3D%26adw_src_id%3D4897065975_319630114_25775423074_pla-51320962143
Title: Re: TuFFrabit keyboads HUZZAH!!!
Post by: tuffrabit on 09:32 AM - 03/11/16
Stuck in development hell trying to figure out an enclosure.
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Post by: abc123 on 09:37 AM - 03/11/16
Stuck in development hell trying to figure out an enclosure.

this gave me a tingle, miss you bro...too bad we are so busy, let me know when it is bourbon tasting time
Title: Re: TuFFrabit keyboads HUZZAH!!!
Post by: flst81 on 10:15 AM - 03/11/16
I wish I could win powerball or something. Then I'd finance the hell out of you guys trying this. I really really believe a product like this would sell like hotcakes.
Title: Re: TuFFrabit keyboads HUZZAH!!!
Post by: tuffrabit on 10:25 AM - 04/26/16
Project not dead. Code feature update: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0vLzi9_Rms

https://github.com/tuffrabit/teensy-stuff/blob/joystick-calibration/joystick_deadzoner/Joystick_Deadzoner.ino
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Post by: flst81 on 04:56 PM - 04/26/16
good to hear
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Post by: ScopeLoc on 10:07 AM - 05/30/16
I do agree if i was rich I would fund this site. OBsiv and the forum guys here are very good and I learn alot reading the post. And i made some great controllers after reading the post using the teensy.
Title: Re: TuFFrabit keyboads HUZZAH!!!
Post by: fire_shinobi1 on 05:26 AM - 01/04/18
any news on this tuff?
Title: Re: TuFFrabit keyboads HUZZAH!!!
Post by: tuffrabit on 01:59 PM - 01/08/21
any news on this tuff?

Yes.

Title: Re: TuFFrabit keyboads HUZZAH!!!
Post by: OBsIV on 02:17 PM - 01/08/21
This is awesome tuff!
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Post by: tuffrabit on 02:34 PM - 01/08/21
Hey, I know you. It's been a little while.
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Post by: GamingLover87 on 06:23 AM - 01/23/21
Hey I was wondering how everything worked out? How was your play test?

And what I wanted to say: I think it is really great that you trying out different stuff! Don't get annoyed just because someone doesn't like that you used blues! If they don't like it they just don't have to use them!

Go on! Great work :)
Title: Re: TuFFrabit keyboads HUZZAH!!!
Post by: tuffrabit on 08:37 AM - 01/25/21
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Hey I was wondering how everything worked out? How was your play test?

Play test was great. Gave myself a few things to tweak especially in the angles of the thumb area.

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And what I wanted to say: I think it is really great that you trying out different stuff! Don't get annoyed just because someone doesn't like that you used blues! If they don't like it they just don't have to use them!

Eh, I don't care. I only used blues years ago because that's what I had laying around. I've built 4 of these so far (3 for alpha testers) and they have all been MX reds.

It's been a fun project. Even if the ultimate demand is low and/or few people are actually interested in something like this, I've had a lot of fun going through the process. Not to mention I've learned a ton about different fields to make it all come together.
Title: Re: TuFFrabit keyboads HUZZAH!!!
Post by: Nataliy on 08:58 AM - 01/25/21
 tuffrabit-Great job, I have a request for you:
https://community.xim.tech/index.php?topic=31309.msg400143#msg400143
Reply #49 on: 03:41 PM - 03/05/14
XIM4 Ballistic Curves,Can you give an actual link to these curves?The online curve editor does not work now, I really need them, thanks)
Title: Re: TuFFrabit keyboads HUZZAH!!!
Post by: tuffrabit on 08:01 PM - 01/28/21
I'd be surprised if that tool was still available, obviously it's not at this point. You're stuck manually copy/pasting those codes or just creating the curve yourself.
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Post by: Nataliy on 02:54 AM - 01/29/21
Yes, I cannot copy, the code is old, can you help me recreate the curve?
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Post by: tuffrabit on 01:43 PM - 01/29/21
Finished test units!

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Post by: Au1d Yin on 03:33 PM - 01/29/21
First off ... nice to see you back  again tuff  :)

Keypad looks very sturdy and built to last !

Out of curiousity ... have you tried it with an Xim ...  wondering if it's plug and play with the xim ?
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Post by: tuffrabit on 03:29 PM - 02/01/21
I've not specifically tested them with XIM yet. BUT, it's running on a Teensy LC using the native HID descriptors, which have historically worked with XIM just fine. I'd be surprised if it didn't. I'll test it though... gotta dig up an Xbox.
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Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 07:57 PM - 03/06/21
 8)This is looking great tuff. 8)
Title: Re: TuFFrabit keyboads HUZZAH!!!
Post by: tuffrabit on 08:58 AM - 03/11/21
Thanks! I've got more updates coming soon. The test phase has generated a good deal of feedback I'm in the middle of sifting through and implementing.
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Post by: Blamer on 11:09 AM - 03/15/21
Id buy one in a heartbeat ;)

Seriously. What's your price?
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Post by: tuffrabit on 07:28 AM - 05/18/21
Latest update:
Title: Re: TuFFrabit keyboads HUZZAH!!!
Post by: tuffrabit on 07:29 AM - 05/18/21
Id buy one in a heartbeat ;)

Seriously. What's your price?

Hey, my aim is not to sell anything from this forum. If you're interested in a product or service of mine, please come find me on Discord or Reddit.

- Discord: https://discord.gg/j7QpAytrVb
- Reddit: https://reddit.com/r/tuffrabitmods/
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Post by: antithesis on 07:36 AM - 05/18/21
The swappable modules look great Tuff!

Is a right-handed model (left-hand using mouse) possible?
Title: Re: TuFFrabit keyboads HUZZAH!!!
Post by: Blamer on 07:53 AM - 05/18/21
Id buy one in a heartbeat ;)

Seriously. What's your price?

Hey, my aim is not to sell anything from this forum. If you're interested in a product or service of mine, please come find me on Discord or Reddit.

- Discord: https://discord.gg/j7QpAytrVb
- Reddit: https://reddit.com/r/tuffrabitmods/
Respectable. Will do!
Title: Re: TuFFrabit keyboads HUZZAH!!!
Post by: tuffrabit on 10:08 PM - 05/18/21
The swappable modules look great Tuff!

Is a right-handed model (left-hand using mouse) possible?

Thanks!

I've not built one for a lefty yet. Though, there's no real reason I can't just mirror the 3D models.
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Post by: tuffrabit on 11:52 AM - 05/27/21
Parts for the first retail units fresh off the printer. Ready for post processing. This has been years rattling around in my noggin. Never thought I'd actually be at this point.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832678272193265714/847528542937022494/IMG_20210527_133450.jpg)
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Post by: tuffrabit on 07:20 AM - 06/10/21
All finished