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Title: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: gunit2004 on 01:14 AM - 09/05/13
Just wondering if dedicated servers on COD Ghosts is going to help any with this problem?

New season on BO2 and already getting DDOS'd. Same sh*t, different day.  >:(
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Beezles on 04:36 AM - 09/05/13
The DDOS attacks your IP, i believe.  So i would assume you could be DDOS'ed at any time.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: PlaDale on 04:47 AM - 09/05/13
Won't help on 360 unless there's a big dashboard update, maybe on Xbox One.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: amak1 on 05:38 AM - 09/05/13
As long as someone can get your ip you can be ddos'd.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: SadCustomer on 06:11 AM - 09/05/13
3/4 of cases are not ddos but actually dos attack which floods  the victims ip with packets making his connection drop
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Souver on 06:19 AM - 09/05/13
with the p2p system its easier to find out the other players ip addresses than it is with dedicated servers. In fact if done right, noone should be able to see other ppls ip addresses, but the dedicated server itself.

So if thats what you had in mind- yes dedicated servers are better in that department. Like in many many others (dashboarding is useless, no more host migrations, more stable connection etc.)
Title: Re: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: PlaDale on 07:00 AM - 09/05/13
You can pull ip addresses from recent players in the dashboard right now so with the current system dedicated servers won't help
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 07:53 AM - 09/05/13
The process of finding someone's IP on dedicated and P2P is the same, most people use Cain and Abel. Its really easy and there are 1032948019 tutorials on youtube. Once they have the IP flooding it is super easy.. you can use a botnet, stresser, and many online services do it for a couple $$ a month...That's why you see it so often now.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: trenth on 08:55 AM - 09/05/13
If you go and join a pre-game lobby and that is on dedicated servers, they will NOT be able to get your IP address.

But, if the system is like it is now for BLOPS2 League Play, everyone connects to a "host" and then he finds the best dedicated server. And if that is the case, then they will be able to get your IP.

Better hope for the first option is all i've got to say.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: tuffrabit on 09:00 AM - 09/05/13
sigh... guys it's not hard.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/steriley/archive/2006/07/10/configure-your-router-to-block-dos-attempts.aspx

If you're silly walmart d-link router doesn't give you those options then flash it with DD-WRT or setup a pfsense box.

Or if you really want to be safe... route your xbox through a proxy so they never get your real IP.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Souver on 09:01 AM - 09/05/13
its pathetic that some ppl care so much and use "advanced" techniques to make others lag just over a win in a fkn game...
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 09:05 AM - 09/05/13
If you go and join a pre-game lobby and that is on dedicated servers, they will NOT be able to get your IP address.

But, if the system is like it is now for BLOPS2 League Play, everyone connects to a "host" and then he finds the best dedicated server. And if that is the case, then they will be able to get your IP.

Better hope for the first option is all i've got to say.

Not true, its easy to get pre-game lobby, and in-game in leagueplay.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 09:05 AM - 09/05/13
CBN bought a VPN for 15$ a month that forwards his IP to a random address.. works really well.
Title: Re: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: PlaDale on 10:31 AM - 09/05/13
sigh... guys it's not hard.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/steriley/archive/2006/07/10/configure-your-router-to-block-dos-attempts.aspx

If you're silly walmart d-link router doesn't give you those options then flash it with DD-WRT or setup a pfsense box.

Or if you really want to be safe... route your xbox through a proxy so they never get your real IP.

Ninja got DOSd behind his enterprise firewall there's no hope for us mortals except lag vpn
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: tuffrabit on 10:45 AM - 09/05/13
meh... he probably chicken nubbed a setting wrong.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: trenth on 11:30 AM - 09/05/13
If you go and join a pre-game lobby and that is on dedicated servers, they will NOT be able to get your IP address.

But, if the system is like it is now for BLOPS2 League Play, everyone connects to a "host" and then he finds the best dedicated server. And if that is the case, then they will be able to get your IP.

Better hope for the first option is all i've got to say.

Not true, its easy to get pre-game lobby, and in-game in leagueplay.

Because of the way Xbox does the recent players list, ya.
Title: Re: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: trenth on 11:32 AM - 09/05/13
sigh... guys it's not hard.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/steriley/archive/2006/07/10/configure-your-router-to-block-dos-attempts.aspx

If you're silly walmart d-link router doesn't give you those options then flash it with DD-WRT or setup a pfsense box.

Or if you really want to be safe... route your xbox through a proxy so they never get your real IP.

Ninja got DOSd behind his enterprise firewall there's no hope for us mortals except lag vpn

Doesn't matter how expensive your firewall is, if you don't have enough bandwidth it doesn't matter.

ex; have 100mb connection someone attacks me with 150 and are just doing a basic UDP/ICMP flood I lose.

ex; have 100mb connection someone attacks me using HTTP get (website/server attack) or slow loris(my favorite) and they have only 50mb connection without a firewall i'd be in trouble. But with a firewall I can block those attacks.

tl;dr your e-penis isn't big enough as someone elses they'll knock you offline
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 11:45 AM - 09/05/13
If you go and join a pre-game lobby and that is on dedicated servers, they will NOT be able to get your IP address.

But, if the system is like it is now for BLOPS2 League Play, everyone connects to a "host" and then he finds the best dedicated server. And if that is the case, then they will be able to get your IP.

Better hope for the first option is all i've got to say.

Not true, its easy to get pre-game lobby, and in-game in leagueplay.

Because of the way Xbox does the recent players list, ya.

I dont think its because of the recent player list... I receive and send packets to each player during each league play game. You can tell who's in your party and who is not based on the amount of packets received, I think thats because of party chat. But regardless, dedicated servers does nothing to help the way its setup now.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: trenth on 12:10 PM - 09/05/13
If you go and join a pre-game lobby and that is on dedicated servers, they will NOT be able to get your IP address.

But, if the system is like it is now for BLOPS2 League Play, everyone connects to a "host" and then he finds the best dedicated server. And if that is the case, then they will be able to get your IP.

Better hope for the first option is all i've got to say.

Not true, its easy to get pre-game lobby, and in-game in leagueplay.

Because of the way Xbox does the recent players list, ya.

I dont think its because of the recent player list... I receive and send packets to each player during each league play game. You can tell who's in your party and who is not based on the amount of packets received, I think thats because of party chat. But regardless, dedicated servers does nothing to help the way its setup now.

No you're right, I was doing some Cain & Abel scanning trying to figure out how it worked. What I was able to find, I cannot get IP addresses while in game. I can see who's in my party because of the packets. But the actual IP addresses of the players wasn't able to be obtained unless I was in lobby.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 12:14 PM - 09/05/13
sigh... guys it's not hard.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/steriley/archive/2006/07/10/configure-your-router-to-block-dos-attempts.aspx

If you're silly walmart d-link router doesn't give you those options then flash it with DD-WRT or setup a pfsense box.

Or if you really want to be safe... route your xbox through a proxy so they never get your real IP.

Ninja got DOSd behind his enterprise firewall there's no hope for us mortals except lag vpn

Doesn't matter how expensive your firewall is, if you don't have enough bandwidth it doesn't matter.

ex; have 100mb connection someone attacks me with 150 and are just doing a basic UDP/ICMP flood I lose.

ex; have 100mb connection someone attacks me using HTTP get (website/server attack) or slow loris(my favorite) and they have only 50mb connection without a firewall i'd be in trouble. But with a firewall I can block those attacks.

tl;dr your e-penis isn't big enough as someone elses they'll knock you offline

Not true. A hardware firewall can easily prevent a host boot. Not a cheap one but trust me we do this all time to protect game servers in general.

The information you are providing is not accurate in this post. You have no idea what you are talking about. You can not beat a solid hardware firewall by blasting it with packets. It won't kill the connection or even fluctuate the speed of the connection...I am not sure where you get your info but it isn't accurate.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 12:17 PM - 09/05/13
If you go and join a pre-game lobby and that is on dedicated servers, they will NOT be able to get your IP address.

But, if the system is like it is now for BLOPS2 League Play, everyone connects to a "host" and then he finds the best dedicated server. And if that is the case, then they will be able to get your IP.

Better hope for the first option is all i've got to say.

Not true, its easy to get pre-game lobby, and in-game in leagueplay.

Because of the way Xbox does the recent players list, ya.

I dont think its because of the recent player list... I receive and send packets to each player during each league play game. You can tell who's in your party and who is not based on the amount of packets received, I think thats because of party chat. But regardless, dedicated servers does nothing to help the way its setup now.

No you're right, I was doing some Cain & Abel scanning trying to figure out how it worked. What I was able to find, I cannot get IP addresses while in game. I can see who's in my party because of the packets. But the actual IP addresses of the players wasn't able to be obtained unless I was in lobby.

you can also pull the IP's of people during game play. From recent players. Or in the pregame lobby.

Difference is if you do it while IN game its easy to tell who is your team or the other team but you are not sure wich specific player you will boot.

Yet the data is all there.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: trenth on 12:44 PM - 09/05/13
sigh... guys it's not hard.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/steriley/archive/2006/07/10/configure-your-router-to-block-dos-attempts.aspx

If you're silly walmart d-link router doesn't give you those options then flash it with DD-WRT or setup a pfsense box.

Or if you really want to be safe... route your xbox through a proxy so they never get your real IP.

Ninja got DOSd behind his enterprise firewall there's no hope for us mortals except lag vpn

Doesn't matter how expensive your firewall is, if you don't have enough bandwidth it doesn't matter.

ex; have 100mb connection someone attacks me with 150 and are just doing a basic UDP/ICMP flood I lose.

ex; have 100mb connection someone attacks me using HTTP get (website/server attack) or slow loris(my favorite) and they have only 50mb connection without a firewall i'd be in trouble. But with a firewall I can block those attacks.

tl;dr your e-penis isn't big enough as someone elses they'll knock you offline

Not true. A hardware firewall can easily prevent a host boot. Not a cheap one but trust me we do this all time to protect game servers in general.


The information you are providing is not accurate in this post. You have no idea what you are talking about. You can not beat a solid hardware firewall by blasting it with packets. It won't kill the connection or even fluctuate the speed of the connection...I am not sure where you get your info but it isn't accurate.


That's why you got host booted behind your hardware firewall? Or is that why I have a bachelors in networking systems and I have no idea what i'm talking about.

I have nothing nice to say here so it was removed.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 12:49 PM - 09/05/13
Im not gonna pull quotes cause this thread could get really long- but ninja is 100% correct in his last post. You can pull IPs at any time. Ingame/pregame/postgame... Im not savy on hardware firewalls so Ill let you two duke it out on that.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Joey McCamper on 12:52 PM - 09/05/13
CBN gets DDOS'd but because he is bad.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: facade on 12:55 PM - 09/05/13
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Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: trenth on 12:55 PM - 09/05/13
Im not gonna pull quotes cause this thread could get really long- but ninja is 100% correct in his last post. You can pull IPs at any time. Ingame/pregame/postgame... Im not savy on hardware firewalls so Ill let you two duke it out on that.

I only tried it once and I couldn't get IP's in game. Then again I didn't actually try to attack any of them but I did have a FEW ip's some of the starting with 65 which is Microsoft Servers and then 1 which I googled and it said it was blackops server.

I think it only had maybe 3 extra ip's which could of been all of my team or maybe some of their team. Anyway it didn't list EVERY IP address.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: trenth on 12:56 PM - 09/05/13
Oh let's also mention, go on WebHostingTalk and ask them about BotNetting and how it actually works. Hardware firewalls get @#$% melted, throwing packets at it doesn't matter. Those packets have to go through the modem before they go to the firewall. So yes, your connection still gets flooded. How is this not black & white to you? Do some Googling before you run your mouth. I've been doing networking for 5 years now.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 12:59 PM - 09/05/13
It does list everybody's IP even if you have a VPN.. it just lists a fake IP in that case.

108. and 209. IP addresses are microsoft servers - you stay away from those.

Usually the people on the other team show up last on your list because they are sending less packets than the players in your partychat.

This isnt really an appropriate conversation when we get into this much detail so I wont say more.


Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 04:54 PM - 09/05/13
I don't care what your degrees are?

You really don't have a clue. Its just a fact. I discovered..that the ONE time I was host booted my firewall was not connected...my kid had re routed the internet directly to his PC so he could run some fake runescape server or something without telling me and I didn't find out until afterwards..

Trust me it caught me off guard too. But my firewall never gets pulled so I didn't expect to see that.

However if you want to try to host boot me you are more than welcome to try.


You may have a "bachelors in networking" When in reality that isn't what it would be called unless you got it from some ghetto school.

On the other hand..I build the servers. I build the XLSP SG's that the games have to route through. I also know how to protect the servers. Go ahead...try to attack one of the Microsoft servers.

Again. you won't get very far because they are well protected. We can run over 500,000 concurrent users per 100mbit so don't think that the connection saves them.

It is the firewall. You as always come and try to challenge be and assume that because you have a degree that you know what you are talking about? I have fired more people with degrees than I care to count.

Fact is I know more about networking than you. I also have more experience dealing with the xbox live environment and protecting it than you do.

Yet no one in these forums takes anything you say seriously or as logical.

Fact is as follows.

If you set up your sniffer cain..etc to monitor for traffic on the proper xlsp port...you will get nothing but public IP's connecting to an xlsp sg or xbox live.

You then sort through those as to who is your party and who isn't this can be done easily by marking the IP's in your lobby as "friendly" before you start connecting to a game.

Then all you will have are MS IP's wich are easily identified and other players.

Bomb away.

I am just saying you need to stop trying to call me out because quite frankly...you have never proven me wrong. So just give it up.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: BroTsla on 05:33 PM - 09/05/13
Where does it say league play is on servers? Maybe I missed something but up until season 4 of BO2 league used p2p just like the rest of the game(that's when I stopped playing BO2 for a bit).. lol I find it hard to believe that they spent money on servers later and added them ONLY to league play. Anyone got any proof league is even on servers?


Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 06:06 PM - 09/05/13
yes, they got dedicated servers around season 5.
Title: Re: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: PlaDale on 04:36 AM - 09/06/13
yes, they got dedicated servers around season 5.

I think they started using them when everyone was playing full team trying to get in that tournament
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: gunit2004 on 08:40 PM - 09/07/13
I came up with my own solution:

To simply not play against Top 10 Master losers... any of them.

I simply just back out whenever I see one now because 99% of the time, they are NOT legit.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: dmxwyrw on 09:27 PM - 09/07/13
just wow. Does the one that builds servers work in a NOC? Traffic from large DDOS attacks has to be rerouted. Tis common for whole switch to be effected by such an attack. firewall isnt going to block it. zombie horde(ddos) at you door(firewall computer doesnt matter) you need to move them before you can get out to the street(internet). MS just reroutes the ddos traffic.
NinjaX2 - youre wrong with absolutly no credentials to back your stuff up.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 09:21 AM - 09/08/13
easy solution: whoever thinks they have solved host booting- let pick a time, and Ill give it a test. If you are indeed immune, than you can report back to here with your findings and have the backing that you have indeed figured it out.

So far the only person that Ive seen totally immune is CBN who bought a VPN. When you try and locate his IP is gives you a fake one.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: FacialAbuse on 12:49 PM - 09/08/13
Or even better you can just dos the dedicated server :D
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: FacialAbuse on 12:51 PM - 09/08/13
easy solution: whoever thinks they have solved host booting- let pick a time, and Ill give it a test. If you are indeed immune, than you can report back to here with your findings and have the backing that you have indeed figured it out.

So far the only person that Ive seen totally immune is CBN who bought a VPN. When you try and locate his IP is gives you a fake one.

Sorry for double posting, but you can dos the VPN which will reveal his real IP and then flood him:)
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 09:37 AM - 09/09/13
just wow. Does the one that builds servers work in a NOC? Traffic from large DDOS attacks has to be rerouted. Tis common for whole switch to be effected by such an attack. firewall isnt going to block it. zombie horde(ddos) at you door(firewall computer doesnt matter) you need to move them before you can get out to the street(internet). MS just reroutes the ddos traffic.
NinjaX2 - youre wrong with absolutly no credentials to back your stuff up.


I am not wrong...If someone gets bots into your network sure. They can ddos from the inside.

DDos from the outside to someone's external interface is pointless with a legitimate firewall.

yes I work in a NOC..I have worked in datacenters multiple times throughout my career. I used to support 50 different international companies at once!.


I currently support servers that have over 65 million registered players. With 800-900k concurrent users / players at any given time and support the network with all of the employees as well.

None of those servers are down, and they are all around the globe. No lag..they run perfectly your more than welcome to give it your best shot.

You can say I do not have the credentials. You can say I do not know what I am talking about.

Ask most anyone here and they will tell you. I am not gonna argue with you bit you have a bot on your internal machine at home DDOSing you then you are retarded.

If you have a legitimate hardware firewall you can not DDOS the person directly.

If you really want to risk DDOsing an ISP switch or router be my guest. But then your knocking out an entire area of people, and finding that IP address is more complicated than sniffing someones IP with cain and able like most noobs.

Again I am not gonna sit here and argue with someone who wants to argue and try to prove me wrong.

You like to say "Ninja you are wrong" but with no real information on how you intend to back that up.


A real firewall, can not be ddos'd You would never make it past the firewall to hit my connection. The firewall I have configured would drop any traffic it wouldn't even process it. You wouldn't even be able to send data at it much less attack it.


Our connections are like ghosts. I know the IP's...I know where they sit. But I can't hit them with any data.

Its a pretty simple process.


I mean think about it...banks...blizzard....any massive corporation you can think of is not open to DDOS attacks...unless it is absolutely massive and pinpointed attack on a place that they know to be weak.

Otherwise there is redundancy and secondary connections in place anyways..but the fact remains.


I have firewalls that will automatically block IP's that it believes are ddosing it..by looking at packet size and number of attempts.

Then it sends me logs...

again dude I can go on forever and ever. I have two firewalls sitting in the other room. And I could probably buy your house, and pay off your car with what we paid for just ONE of them.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 09:41 AM - 09/09/13
And just to clarify I am a CCIE in two disciplines. Before you say "server guy"

What I was explaining is that I also build the XLSG security gateways that route the traffic. and the proxies that distributes the load.

I know how the whole system works.

I am a CCIE and have practically every Microsoft certification known to man but I don't really care about those.

My experience is what counts. I have been building international networks for over 10 years.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 09:56 AM - 09/09/13
Ninja,

-Would someone be able to find your IP with C+A?
-If so, what would happen if someone tried to ddos it? It just wouldn't work? Would it slow you down at all?
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: facade on 10:25 AM - 09/09/13
^

I'm pretty sure he brought up the CCIE because it is relevant to the discussion (Networking) and knows it's not a MS cert. 

But.. this is the internet..
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 10:31 AM - 09/09/13
Route switching an security.

I have MCSA I am a Microsoft Certified Server architect. I also have other certs I was required to obtain for partnership purposes in regards to MS Exchange.

However like I said these MS certs are irrelevant really for me. And no...just because you have a tonf os MS certs does not mean you work for them. I would never work for Microsoft. Bunch of dummies in a fail upwards company IMO.

Google flew me to California for an interview however. Offered good money and I turned them down because when I was walking the campus with them I felt like I was actively moving around in a tv show with the brady bunch....

I said "@#$% that" and they said not to cuss!!! I was like..bahahaha no thanks.


Anyways but yes. I just brought up the MS stuff because he called me a server guy. When in fact I am fist and foremost a Network Engineer.

I have done work for the government. Security Clearences all that jazz...

Again I am not lacking for experience or knowledge. I just really do not care enough to sit here and argue with internet trolls.

Hell half the time I do not even take the time to spell check my poss or verify my grammar...half these messages are written half way between work..emails..and configuration so I alt tab and start where I left off a lot...hence the book long posts sometimes.


Nice of you to delete your post there Bionic.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: BionicTbag on 10:35 AM - 09/09/13
Route switching an security.

I have MCSA I am a Microsoft Certified Server architect. I also have other certs I was required to obtain for partnership purposes in regards to MS Exchange.

However like I said these MS certs are irrelevant really for me. And no...just because you have a tonf os MS certs does not mean you work for them. I would never work for Microsoft. Bunch of dummies in a fail upwards company IMO.

Google flew me to California for an interview however. Offered good money and I turned them down because when I was walking the campus with them I felt like I was actively moving around in a tv show with the brady bunch....

I said "@#$% that" and they said not to cuss!!! I was like..bahahaha no thanks.


Anyways but yes. I just brought up the MS stuff because he called me a server guy. When in fact I am fist and foremost a Network Engineer.

I have done work for the government. Security Clearences all that jazz...

Again I am not lacking for experience or knowledge. I just really do not care enough to sit here and argue with internet trolls.

Hell half the time I do not even take the time to spell check my poss or verify my grammar...half these messages are written half way between work..emails..and configuration so I alt tab and start where I left off a lot...hence the book long posts sometimes.


Nice of you to delete your post there Bionic.


I deleted it out of respect for you bro.


and Tuffs recent take on souvers post in another topic.


sorry man to delete my post, your a good resource, hope these peeps realize that!
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 10:39 AM - 09/09/13
Ninja,

-Would someone be able to find your IP with C+A?
-If so, what would happen if someone tried to ddos it? It just wouldn't work? Would it slow you down at all?

If you have a firewall capable of handling/ disgarding the packets properly the DDOS is ineffective.

The firewall would have enough processing power to filter out billions of packets per second and just completely disregard them. Packets over a certain size are obviously bombs in most cases so the firewall automatically blocks the source IP.

If you are bombing from multiple IP's from multiple locations unless you have an unrealistic number of IP's bombing it it would just block them all...as in automatically create an access list to filter them.

Then it wouldn't even really need to process much at all.

It would maybe, if I was doing a speed test at the same time and you bombed it. Maybe drop a slight bit in speed for about a minute. Then you would no longer be effective.

But you definitely wouldn't boot me offline.

Especially here at the corporate office...we have 4 internet conenctions. 4 routers. 4 firewalls. All redundant links.

You wouldn't be able to bring it down unless you hit all 4 at once and manages to kill the firewalls protecting it.

The only effective way to DDOS our switch would be from the inside and you would need a virus for an internal botnet to accomplish this.


This is just how any company would design their infrastructure.

At home. With a smaller asa I used 6gb/s ddos on my own equipment and I didn't even feel it.

Granted the backplane on an asa is only like 35/mbs. However it will filter out a DDOS pretty quick...DDOS are nothing new.

Most cisco gear nowadays automatically flags them.

Granted its not cheap.

A Linksys would choke on the data for example.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: BionicTbag on 10:44 AM - 09/09/13
didn't cicso buy linksys?


they didn't upgrade linksys? to cysco standards?
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 10:47 AM - 09/09/13
Also to cover the VPN piece.

You know why this works?

It is because you are routed through a datacenter that does just VPN's. It isn't split tunneling the traffic you are routing through this service to xbox live. Otherwise it would still reveal your local IP.

The reason you can not bomb the VPN IP and succeed is because it is behind a real firewall at a data center.

If they bombed this IP and succeeded it would still boot you off line.



Granted using vpn creates other possible problems if it isn't a local vpn server. In the sense that your traffic is being routd through a remote facility but as long as their net is good your fine.


So basically if a VPN has split tunneling it works like this.

All traffic destined for remote subnets -- vpn tunnel.

All other traffic goes over local connection.


This is obviously not the case if yoru connecting to xbox live because you would just reveal your local IP anyways.

So your routing traffic through a monster data center that then reveals the IP from that location. ANd if you bomb it...it just drops the traffic.

If the data center cant handle the traffic then it would boot you off of xbl still by disconnecting you from the VPN service. Then in turn if you were to somehow stay connected (I doubt it) it would then reveal your real IP anyways.


So all your doing with the vpn service is doing exactly what I have described above. You are just masking your IP and borrowing someone elses firewall. That's it.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 10:48 AM - 09/09/13
didn't cicso buy linksys?


they didn't upgrade linksys? to cysco standards?

Linksys still sucks. They don't have the hardware of automated logic the higher end ones do (automated ACL's etc) They are just link sys with cisco's name on it.

They suck. Period.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: dmxwyrw on 12:21 PM - 09/09/13
LOL NinjaX2 seriously. the more you say you know, the more you're proving that you don't know jack. ddos a switch directly? ha @#$%. so dumb man. bots from the inside the network. revealing your own ip in a ddos. L O #@ L if i run a botnet you'll only see the bots. You'll never see the controller's IP. A single computer cannot create enough to qualify as a ddos it will just be ignored. "a datacenter that does just VPN's" what in the hell are you talking about.  Don't go wiki some more acronyms to use as a rebuttal. You've obviously already done that. Your unintelligible gibberish seems to be copied from the wiki page which only contains generic information anyway.  Just stop man. Stop talking.

Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 12:31 PM - 09/09/13
dmxwyrw, do you feel there is a way to stop ddos attacks? If so, are you capable of doing it?
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: dmxwyrw on 01:00 PM - 09/09/13
Not really. Get faster internet and/or a VPN such as vyper vpn. i think theres a trial.
Theres not much you can do traffic needs to be rerouted. This is why DDOS on corporations are successful.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 01:04 PM - 09/09/13
Okay, then the only proper way to to settle this debate is for someone to try and ddos ninja once he has his setup properly configured. (given that he's okay with that of course) If hes able to ward off an attack, then he wins-- right?

edit: MY 1500th post!
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 01:08 PM - 09/09/13
rofl. There are venters that sell VPN connections to people for 15 bucks a month to tunnel your traffic.

That is all they do.

That is what I am talking about.

You can question me all you want. If it is so possible why aren't blizzards servers off all the time ?


I can only say there are more people here that can vouche for my credentials than there are for you.

You can try to attack. you will not be the first. You will not be the last. You also won't ever prove me wrong. Many have tried...all have failed.


Nothing here I have stated is on a wiki? It looks like gibberish because as always I am working..typing half sentences as I go and trying to remember where I left off.

You attack me credibility and my understanding of networks. You can do this if you choose.

Fact is I am right. DDOSing a website =/= a successful attack on a company.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: dmxwyrw on 01:30 PM - 09/09/13
rofl. There are venters that sell VPN connections to people for 15 bucks a month to tunnel your traffic.

That is all they do.

That is what I am talking about.
uh ok

You can question me all you want. If it is so possible why aren't blizzards servers off all the time ?
because they have more than 1 server and are also able to reroute the traffic. and those attacks when they happen are on a small enough scale that they dont bother to mention it.
They are, however, not able to stop it.

I can only say there are more people here that can vouche for my credentials than there are for you.
Spelling is vouch. and um sure ok


You can try to attack. you will not be the first. You will not be the last. You also won't ever prove me wrong. Many have tried...all have failed.
Attack what? your buisness? i dont even.. who has failed?


Nothing here I have stated is on a wiki? It looks like gibberish because as always I am working..typing half sentences as I go and trying to remember where I left off.
yes talk of automated ACLs and datacenters that only do "VPN's". "All traffic destined for remote subnets -- vpn tunnel."
The only effective way to DDOS our switch would be from the inside and you would need a virus for an internal botnet to accomplish this.
   gibberish
You attack me credibility and my understanding of networks. You can do this if you choose.
yes. i have. and yes thank you. I will and as stated before, have done so. thanks for the permission though. ;D
Fact is I am right. DDOSing a website =/= a successful attack on a company.
Right about the following equation? or the following equation shows that you are right? wth does that even mean?

Okay, then the only proper way to to settle this debate is for someone to try and ddos ninja once he has his setup properly configured. (given that he's okay with that of course) If hes able to ward off an attack, then he wins-- right?

edit: MY 1500th post!

---Before anyone gets their low orbit ion cannons out know that it's a felony. --
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 02:14 PM - 09/09/13
Again I am not trying to spell check or spell it out for you.

Automated ACL's is definitely part of the process if you know anything about Cisco or any form of massive network management.

It detects, modifies the ACL and sends me a notification of it doing so.

Except that you claim everything is gibberish and have yet to prove anything.


You obviously do not understand how any of this works. The fact you shrug half of what I am telling you off only validates that point.

You can use an ACL to redirect a DDOS if need be. No reason to do so when most attacks are irrelevant and can simply be dropped.

If I wanted a massive corporation style attack to come attack a kid on xbox you have bigger issues.

Fact is my ASA can prevent a host boot from any person on these forums that is for sure.

hen again, you have no idea what you are talking about so I am not sure why I even bother responding. I have nothing to really prove to someone who can't or doesn't even understand the premise of a split tunnel VPN.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: mist4fun on 02:30 PM - 09/09/13
To the person who keeps on reporting posts on these debates. What I'm seeing aren't personal attacks, they are debates between two people who think they are correct. I'm not sure why you think the posts you've reported are offensive. If anything this is the most offensive post I've seen and you didn't report this person so please stop your witch hunt, we are watching.

Also, dmx please a little more civil in your posts. Thanks :)

LOL NinjaX2 seriously. the more you say you know, the more you're proving that you don't know jack. ddos a switch directly? ha @#$%. so dumb man. bots from the inside the network. revealing your own ip in a ddos. L O #@ L if i run a botnet you'll only see the bots. You'll never see the controller's IP. A single computer cannot create enough to qualify as a ddos it will just be ignored. "a datacenter that does just VPN's" what in the hell are you talking about.  Don't go wiki some more acronyms to use as a rebuttal. You've obviously already done that. Your unintelligible gibberish seems to be copied from the wiki page which only contains generic information anyway.  Just stop man. Stop talking.


Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 02:35 PM - 09/09/13
Its all good he can win. Like I said I really have no desire to argue..it always ends the same.

With me being right. :) Because people want to tell me I am wrong. Yet they can never bring a counter argument or and explanation of how exactly I am wrong with any form of proof. Because they just want to say I am wrong.


So carry on. Think I am wrong. I am at work and have stuff to do...you know. The stuff I have no idea how to do.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: dmxwyrw on 02:46 PM - 09/09/13
Its just easier to call you out and read as you attempt to offer an explanation. Sorry about the hostility and enjoy your self proclaimed victory.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 02:50 PM - 09/09/13
You haven't called me out on anything however. You just go wrong wrong wrong.

No counterpoints. Congratulations. Again. If you want to bring some form of logical argument I am more than welcome to hear it.

Yet you have yet to say anything other than.."Ninja said it so it must be wrong" ?

Bear in mind you are the one who had no data to support his argument. You do not know how to split tunnel VPN or how it works or why it helps people prevent being host booted.

Yet something that simple. And you still want to call me out on everything else...I just do not have the time man.

I have work to do.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: dmxwyrw on 02:54 PM - 09/09/13
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Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: gunit2004 on 06:15 PM - 09/09/13
Hmm... was just screwing around with router settings and found some options for 'SPI Firewall' which was set to Low. I changed it to High and it wouldn't let my Xbox connect at all. Lowered it to Medium and Xbox is able to connect to Live.

Not sure if it will make any difference, but we'll see the next time sometime boots my team offline lol.
Title: Re: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: RookCheck on 07:13 PM - 09/09/13
Hmm... was just screwing around with router settings and found some options for 'SPI Firewall' which was set to Low. I changed it to High and it wouldn't let my Xbox connect at all. Lowered it to Medium and Xbox is able to connect to Live.

Not sure if it will make any difference, but we'll see the next time sometime boots my team offline lol.

Basicaly you've blocked ports that are required by XBL. You can set your firewall back to "high" and then set the specific ports needed for XBL to port-forward (Google the ports, don't remember off the top of my head).
Title: Re: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: RookCheck on 07:15 PM - 09/09/13
(http://www.xim3.com/community/avatars/users/avatar_2195_1369856810.png)

Hey. You should probably relax with the trolling/flaming.


Ninja. Don't play into his shiznit so easily.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 07:15 PM - 09/09/13
I agree with mist. No flaming here.

More if an argument than a debate however as there is no argument to attack.

This is more of an e peen slapped and he said she said. Not really worth continuing.


The short answer is for a majority if all players you can be dosed.

For the few of us that can afford it and have the knowledge level it can be avoided.

Fact is someone will always be a tool in online games. It's just something you learn to deal with.


Amazing. Autocorrect from my phone actually works!!
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 07:17 PM - 09/09/13
Hmm... was just screwing around with router settings and found some options for 'SPI Firewall' which was set to Low. I changed it to High and it wouldn't let my Xbox connect at all. Lowered it to Medium and Xbox is able to connect to Live.

Not sure if it will make any difference, but we'll see the next time sometime boots my team offline lol.

Basicaly you've blocked ports that are required by XBL. You can set your firewall back to "high" and then set the specific ports needed for XBL to port-forward (Google the ports, don't remember off the top of my head).

Most important being 3074 udp... Allow tcp for good measure.

Without 3074 you won't be able to connect to xbl. You can set it to high then port forward just the ports you need Fluor Xbox . Upnp sucks and is incredibly insecure.


But hances are it won stop a host boot if its a low end firewall it will choke in the data.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: gunit2004 on 07:41 PM - 09/09/13
Hmm... was just screwing around with router settings and found some options for 'SPI Firewall' which was set to Low. I changed it to High and it wouldn't let my Xbox connect at all. Lowered it to Medium and Xbox is able to connect to Live.

Not sure if it will make any difference, but we'll see the next time sometime boots my team offline lol.

Basicaly you've blocked ports that are required by XBL. You can set your firewall back to "high" and then set the specific ports needed for XBL to port-forward (Google the ports, don't remember off the top of my head).

Most important being 3074 udp... Allow tcp for good measure.

Without 3074 you won't be able to connect to xbl. You can set it to high then port forward just the ports you need Fluor Xbox . Upnp sucks and is incredibly insecure.


But hances are it won stop a host boot if its a low end firewall it will choke in the data.

Yeah mine is just the modem/router combo I got from my ISP so I doubt the firewall is all that great, lol.

But yeah, the way it seems to work on my router is there are 3 settings for SPI Firewall:
Low - all ports are open (Xbox works)
Medium - only certain ports are open (includes port 3074 so Xbox still works)
High - more limited number of ports (this list doesn't include any required for xbox, so I can't connect to Live with it activated)

And I don't seem to be able to adjust the list of ports for each option, each has it's own set list of ports which isn't changeable, which is odd
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: dmxwyrw on 08:54 PM - 09/09/13
Any port open can be ddos'd. Set you firewall as high as you want. If there is a port open you can be ddos'd you can be booted. You could disable ping and icmp in your router if that is available. might keep some of the noobs out.
Dont worry about the firewall setting if theres a port open and you will have the common ones open they will ddos it. If you're playing on xbl then 3074 is open so your firewall setting doesnt matter. they will attack it and you will be booted.
Don't mess up your network just to play some cod.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: PlaDale on 09:13 AM - 09/10/13
I'd like to file a freedom of information act request  to find out who it is that reported this thread, thanks
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Beezles on 09:44 AM - 09/10/13
I'd like to file a freedom of information act request  to find out who it is that reported this thread, thanks
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couldn't resist, lol
Title: Re: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: RookCheck on 10:22 AM - 09/10/13
I'd like to file a freedom of information act request  to find out who it is that reported this thread, thanks
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couldn't resist, lol

Best check yoself afor you wreck yoself. Ima go all Gandalf on your a$$!

Jk. Love you.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 10:56 AM - 09/10/13
LoL.

Yes you could flood port 3074. If you could encrypt the traffic.

If you are port forwarding and the only device listening on port 3074 is the xbox it will drop all traffic that isn't specifically encrypted by Microsoft.

That's the magic of xbox live and their custom kernals. Your can not flood 3074 IF that port is going to / from and xbox or to/from xbox live.

Their entire system is deisnged to be fully exposed. XLSP traffic isn't even designed to be behind a firewall (we do it for the sake of sound network design and it makes me feel better) but the system isn't vulnerable even sitting on the internet.


Again this is where my level of knowledge goes beyond what you typically think of network design. Its all under NDA and I can not go into specifics but no. you cant flood the traffic on 3074 if that port is patted directly to an xbox.

All the traffic will be dropped. Period.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: dmxwyrw on 11:31 AM - 09/10/13
why would i need to encrypt the traffic. forget the xbox. the router is going to allow that in and you'll be ddos'd before the info even get to the xbox. You keep talking about the XLSP (xbox live server platform). you're not even on the same planet. This has nothing to do with ddosing a server.
"DoS and DDoS attacks do not happen in the Xbox Live service. Instead, they happen through the IP address of the attacked device.

For more information about preventing DoS and DDoS attacks, contact your ISP."
where was this quoted from uhhhh oh yeah... http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-live/connecting/dos-attacks-faq#3b3ea0d02df241dab927b02efdab3eaa
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 12:46 PM - 09/10/13
*sigh*

You miss the point. Entirely. Ignore all relevant information.

If you are blocking all ports for example..except 3074.

3074 is patted directly to the xbox...meaning the firewall just passes it along directly.

The xbox would drop this traffic..it wouldn't interrupt the connection. We have tested this a million times....again I do not need to argue I deal with it on a daily basis.

That simple.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: dmxwyrw on 12:55 PM - 09/10/13
Why then are DDOS attacks/host booting on port 3074 "straight to an xbox" successful?

Please prove that you do this on a daily bases as this is a constant response.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: BionicTbag on 01:44 PM - 09/10/13
*sigh*

You miss the point. Entirely. Ignore all relevant information.

If you are blocking all ports for example..except 3074.

3074 is patted directly to the xbox...meaning the firewall just passes it along directly.

The xbox would drop this traffic..it wouldn't interrupt the connection. We have tested this a million times....again I do not need to argue I deal with it on a daily basis.

That simple.


Hey Ninja,


it does bring up a good question though!  perhaps not so good if i am misunderstanding...


but when you pat a port directly, and your routing system simply passes all valid inbound traffic to port 3074 to your xbox, you say your xbox just ignores it?


then why would anyone jump through so many hoops to block DDOS attacks, IF your xbox simply ignores it?


I know you have a ton of expensive equipment between your xbox and your internet to prevent DDOS, (stated elsewhere in other threads)


why do you bother doing all that IF the xbox simply ignores it all?  or are there other things going on when a DDOS attack happens outside port 3074?




--------------------------------------------------------------


Just read the answer....


If you are port forwarding and the only device listening on port 3074 is the xbox it will drop all traffic that isn't specifically encrypted by Microsoft.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: dmxwyrw on 01:46 PM - 09/10/13
before you answer remember direct from the xbox site : "DoS and DDoS attacks do not happen in the Xbox Live service. Instead, they happen through the IP address of the attacked device."
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: BionicTbag on 01:48 PM - 09/10/13
before you answer remember direct from the xbox site : "DoS and DDoS attacks do not happen in the Xbox Live service. Instead, they happen through the IP address of the attacked device."


what do you do for a living man? because te guy your calling out does this @#$% for a living.


If you are port forwarding and the only device listening on port 3074 is the xbox it will drop all traffic that isn't specifically encrypted by Microsoft.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: dmxwyrw on 02:03 PM - 09/10/13
before you answer remember direct from the xbox site : "DoS and DDoS attacks do not happen in the Xbox Live service. Instead, they happen through the IP address of the attacked device."


what do you do for a living man? because te guy your calling out does this @#$% for a living.
Correction, though it is just semantics i feel that it is important to clarify, "He claims to do this for a living".

If you are port forwarding and the only device listening on port 3074 is the xbox it will drop all traffic that isn't specifically encrypted by Microsoft.

The xbox must first look at the packets to see if they are valid this is why a DDoS works. There is just too much for the device to process, drop, look at how ever you want to word it. this is why a ddos works. the xbox cannot sort through the packets to see if they are encrypted or not. The xbox does need to check if these packets are intact encrypted. time that it doesn't have. This is why you timeout and get disconnected. This is why ddos work and why there really isn't anyway to prevent them.

I have been trained in electronics engineering also network design and administration.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: BionicTbag on 02:12 PM - 09/10/13
before you answer remember direct from the xbox site : "DoS and DDoS attacks do not happen in the Xbox Live service. Instead, they happen through the IP address of the attacked device."


what do you do for a living man? because te guy your calling out does this @#$% for a living.
Correction, though it is just semantics i feel that it is important to clarify, "He claims to do this for a living".

If you are port forwarding and the only device listening on port 3074 is the xbox it will drop all traffic that isn't specifically encrypted by Microsoft.

The xbox must first look at the packets to see if they are valid this is why a DDoS works. There is just too much for the device to process, drop, look at how ever you want to word it. this is why a ddos works. the xbox cannot sort through the packets to see if they are encrypted or not. The xbox does need to check if these packets are intact encrypted. time that it doesn't have. This is why you timeout and get disconnected. This is why ddos work and why there really isn't anyway to prevent them.

I have been trained in electronics engineering also network design and administration.


ok, well then you must know that when a device receives a packet!!! ANY PACKET that there are things called headers, and footers.


These are TINY little portions of code at the very beginning of the packet that tell the device a lot about the packet. One being its encryption and QOS status.


Since you understand, then you will believe me when I say the header is tiny compared to any real DDOS packet, and IF its not got the correct header, then your xbox can dish it OUT quickly and easily. meaning that tyou will or would only see a tiny drop in frame rate or speed of your connection.


We all know that your internet can only handle so much inbound traffic... and if that if your rebuttal, then...


I guess we are all screwed, because anyone can pound a 10megabit connection with 10megabits of data, far before it ever gets to your xbox....


If you are that worried about it man, then go get some hardware to prevent all the DDOS you must face. Or go post to a forum specifically about thsi so you will respect those facts you believe are only opinions
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: G502DoBeHeavy on 02:30 PM - 09/10/13
Not sure if it's been mentioned before or not. However, even if you CAN block a DDOS attack. That won't protect the 3 other people on your team assuming we're talking League play. In most cases you will still lose the game anyways down one guy let alone two or three. Idc how amazing you are, you will most likely still lose the game.

I understand that's not the point of this topic but just figured I'd throw that in there. I too wish there was a way to stop the attacks. They're annoying and make me lose a little hope in humanity that people have to stoop to that level to win a video game.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 03:32 PM - 09/10/13
before you answer remember direct from the xbox site : "DoS and DDoS attacks do not happen in the Xbox Live service. Instead, they happen through the IP address of the attacked device."


what do you do for a living man? because te guy your calling out does this @#$% for a living.
Correction, though it is just semantics i feel that it is important to clarify, "He claims to do this for a living".

If you are port forwarding and the only device listening on port 3074 is the xbox it will drop all traffic that isn't specifically encrypted by Microsoft.

The xbox must first look at the packets to see if they are valid this is why a DDoS works. There is just too much for the device to process, drop, look at how ever you want to word it. this is why a ddos works. the xbox cannot sort through the packets to see if they are encrypted or not. The xbox does need to check if these packets are intact encrypted. time that it doesn't have. This is why you timeout and get disconnected. This is why ddos work and why there really isn't anyway to prevent them.

I have been trained in electronics engineering also network design and administration.

Wrong. You have know idea how this encryption works. Just saying. Again you are making assumptions.

You do not know the environment. You seem to have a basic understanding of how it works. Yet when it comes to the stuff I work with every day. You do not.

However trying to explain it to someone who already has it in their head that they know better is pointless.

You do not understand this traffic, how it works or how it is accepted in any way. But you THINK you do. Its like arguing with a brick wall.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 03:36 PM - 09/10/13
Look its like this. Your xbox builds a tunnel effectively to Microsoft when it boots. Almost like a VPN but not really but its hard to explain things that I am not really allowed to explain.

Once that xbox hits Microsoft for xbox live. If the only port you have open / patted to your xbox is 3074. You can not, in any chape form or fashion be attacked on that port.

Its that simple.

So short of breaking an NDA there is nothing else to say to you. Tuffrabit is the only one who may know anything but he has seen the white papers :)

I built it. I deal with it daily. Don't believe me...I do not really care..simply tell me I am full of it out of ignorance and carry on.

But ffs stop trying to argue with me about something you do not understand.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: dmxwyrw on 03:48 PM - 09/10/13
NDA is might convenient is it not?
Im guessing the NDA extends to keeping your place of work quiet?
Quote
Once that xbox hits Microsoft for xbox live. If the only port you have open / patted to your xbox is 3074. You can not, in any chape form or fashion be attacked on that port.


Wow man how can you even say this. When it does in fact happen?
How in the hell are host boots possible?
You are so full of it.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: gunit2004 on 04:05 PM - 09/10/13
NDA is might convenient is it not?
Im guessing the NDA extends to keeping your place of work quiet?
Quote
Once that xbox hits Microsoft for xbox live. If the only port you have open / patted to your xbox is 3074. You can not, in any chape form or fashion be attacked on that port.


Wow man how can you even say this. When it does in fact happen?
How in the hell are host boots possible?
You are so full of it.

The way I read it he is saying if someone only has the port 3074 open to their Xbox (and not open to ANY other devices), then that specific port can't be used for DDOS because only the Xbox is being attacked and it will drop the traffic?

But that is usually not the case as many people using default settings on their router have the port 3074 open to not only their Xbox but the rest of their devices as well?

Or are you saying booting port 3074 shouldn't work at all, Ninja?

Anyways, for sh*ts and giggles I finally decided to look up how people go about doing this booting stuff and it is so disgustingly easy... no wonder there are so many @#$% people doing it. It's simply a matter of watching a YouTube video.... smh.  >:(

I was able to successfully boot myself USING port 3074.

Title: Re: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: RookCheck on 04:12 PM - 09/10/13
NDA is might convenient is it not?
Im guessing the NDA extends to keeping your place of work quiet?
Quote
Once that xbox hits Microsoft for xbox live. If the only port you have open / patted to your xbox is 3074. You can not, in any chape form or fashion be attacked on that port.


Wow man how can you even say this. When it does in fact happen?
How in the hell are host boots possible?
You are so full of it.

Because no one host boots via that port? All it takes is the IP and a botnet, which you know. The modem/router gets flooded and -whammo- offline. It's all the other ports that are the issue, not the XBL traffic.

Credentials: common sense and Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 04:22 PM - 09/10/13
I don't think closing all ports except 3074 would work if you have a regular grade router because that would be way too easy. (everybody would do that).. reading all the conversations on gamebattles.com about the problem it seems that there is a consensus that the only way to safeguard yourself is to get a VPN. Im sure commercial grade routers might be able to do it as well, but it cant be as easy as closing all ports except 1.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: gunit2004 on 04:36 PM - 09/10/13
I don't think closing all ports except 3074 would work if you have a regular grade router because that would be way too easy. (everybody would do that).. reading all the conversations on gamebattles.com about the problem it seems that there is a consensus that the only way to safeguard yourself is to get a VPN. Im sure commercial grade routers might be able to do it as well, but it cant be as easy as closing all ports except 1.

My crappy ISP provided modem/router doesn't even give me the ability to be that specific with what ports are closed and which ones aren't, otherwise I would test this theory out myself lol.

At least I have a way to battle back with those losers who feel the need to boot my team offline. As soon as they do, I have all their IP's (as long as they're not on a VPN) and can proceed to boot THEM offline so they can't win the game either and everyone loses  :P

So basically if you're on a VPN and know how to boot people, you can pretty much make your self into an unbootable Xbox Live moderator of sorts and have the ability to defend your team against attacks whenever you need to. If of course, I am understanding everything correctly  :P
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: amak1 on 05:19 PM - 09/10/13
So one question, is there no way to trace where the packets are coming from before you get shutdown or are they routed all over the place.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: dmxwyrw on 05:26 PM - 09/10/13
So one question, is there no way to trace where the packets are coming from before you get shutdown or are they routed all over the place.

Yes you can see the sources. Wirecast or logs in your router will tell you the origin ips. Actually just call your isp they take this stuff very seriuously.
Title: Re: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: dmxwyrw on 05:27 PM - 09/10/13
NDA is might convenient is it not?
Im guessing the NDA extends to keeping your place of work quiet?
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Once that xbox hits Microsoft for xbox live. If the only port you have open / patted to your xbox is 3074. You can not, in any chape form or fashion be attacked on that port.


Wow man how can you even say this. When it does in fact happen?
How in the hell are host boots possible?
You are so full of it.

Because no one host boots via that port? All it takes is the IP and a botnet, which you know. The modem/router gets flooded and -whammo- offline. It's all the other ports that are the issue, not the XBL traffic.

Credentials: common sense and Wikipedia.
Yet that is the first port that host booters will use. Tube it. Take it from successful booters instead of someone hiding behind an NDA. One that has said more than once that it isnot possible to ddos an xbox on that port.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: amak1 on 05:39 PM - 09/10/13
So one question, is there no way to trace where the packets are coming from before you get shutdown or are they routed all over the place.

Yes you can see the sources. Wirecast or logs in your router will tell you the origin ips. Actually just call your isp they take this stuff very seriuously.

Report away guys! Get these kids beat by there parents and xboxes taken away.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: G502DoBeHeavy on 06:03 PM - 09/10/13
So one question, is there no way to trace where the packets are coming from before you get shutdown or are they routed all over the place.

Yes you can see the sources. Wirecast or logs in your router will tell you the origin ips. Actually just call your isp they take this stuff very seriuously.

I called mine, Time Warner Cable. They could care a less. Of course they try to play it off to being some sort of network problem on my end. To which I explain it certainly is not. Even tell them about how I got a message afterwards asking me "How did you like getting hit offline?" I was talking to someone that sounded like they were in the Middle East somewhere. I suppose if I pursued it hard enough and got to a higher level support preferably someone American I could have gotten further.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: gunit2004 on 06:22 PM - 09/10/13
So one question, is there no way to trace where the packets are coming from before you get shutdown or are they routed all over the place.

Yes you can see the sources. Wirecast or logs in your router will tell you the origin ips. Actually just call your isp they take this stuff very seriuously.

Report away guys! Get these kids beat by there parents and xboxes taken away.

Reporting doesn't do a @#$% thing lol. Better to fight fire with fire in this case.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: amak1 on 06:23 PM - 09/10/13
I thought it was a felony.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 06:27 PM - 09/10/13
it doesn't matter if you report it because the ip flooding (unless your really dumb) comes from a botnet which is a huge number of IPs, all of which aren't yours.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: BionicTbag on 07:21 PM - 09/10/13
I thought it was a felony.


wire fraud...
Title: Re: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: PlaDale on 05:01 AM - 09/11/13
So one question, is there no way to trace where the packets are coming from before you get shutdown or are they routed all over the place.

Yes you can see the sources. Wirecast or logs in your router will tell you the origin ips. Actually just call your isp they take this stuff very seriuously.

I called mine, Time Warner Cable. They could care a less. Of course they try to play it off to being some sort of network problem on my end. To which I explain it certainly is not. Even tell them about how I got a message afterwards asking me "How did you like getting hit offline?" I was talking to someone that sounded like they were in the Middle East somewhere. I suppose if I pursued it hard enough and got to a higher level support preferably someone American I could have gotten further.

If you ain't talking to the retention department you're doing it wrong. You have g to start every phone call off by threatening to cancel until you get them on the phone.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 11:15 AM - 09/11/13
Your ISP can't do much about it. And mostly the people you talk too wouldn't understand it.

And when you did get to someone who understood it they would explain it to you clearly like this.

"There is nothing we can do" because it comes from multiple sources that can changes constantly.

However, you can protect yourself with a proper configuration. as stated previously. It costs money.

I mean if you get host booted every 10 minutes I see a reason for it. I may see my team get booted 3 or 4 games a night however in league play...always by rank 10+ masters. When generally they are trying to boot me because my team mates suck..but they couldn't boot me then it becomes a 1 v 4...

This happens to dale quite often as well from the way he has explained it...

A good or even half decent team can win easily 3 v 4 or 2 v 4

Its quite humorous.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: PlaDale on 11:22 AM - 09/11/13
If you are down a guy in s&d you have a chance, in CTF you can get the w if the other team doesn't know what they are doing, in hard point you're screwed
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 03:04 PM - 09/11/13
Yeah..but that's being down 1 person.

If the yboot everyone but you ?

Yeah..whats the point of being boot proof if your gonna get the Loss anyways.

All I am saying.

I have one search matches 1 v 4 multiple times. CTF against an organized team your screwed if your down a man especially if the two people you play with suck..

That and I hate CTF anyways.

Hard Point? You cant win 3 v 4 unless they are just incredibly bad. (wich happens on occasion)
Title: Re: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: gunit2004 on 07:15 PM - 09/11/13
So one question, is there no way to trace where the packets are coming from before you get shutdown or are they routed all over the place.

Yes you can see the sources. Wirecast or logs in your router will tell you the origin ips. Actually just call your isp they take this stuff very seriuously.

I called mine, Time Warner Cable. They could care a less. Of course they try to play it off to being some sort of network problem on my end. To which I explain it certainly is not. Even tell them about how I got a message afterwards asking me "How did you like getting hit offline?" I was talking to someone that sounded like they were in the Middle East somewhere. I suppose if I pursued it hard enough and got to a higher level support preferably someone American I could have gotten further.

If you ain't talking to the retention department you're doing it wrong. You have g to start every phone call off by threatening to cancel until you get them on the phone.

Reporting to your ISP is pretty much useless. The way I understand it is you won't be able to get the booters actual IP address if he's using some kind of pay service for booting. You will simply get tons of random IP's from the servers of the booting service which doesn't really help you at all.

If they are using their own connection to boot you (which usually isn't the case) then you can pick up their IP I suppose.

Title: Re: Re: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: PlaDale on 07:21 AM - 09/12/13
So one question, is there no way to trace where the packets are coming from before you get shutdown or are they routed all over the place.

Yes you can see the sources. Wirecast or logs in your router will tell you the origin ips. Actually just call your isp they take this stuff very seriuously.

I called mine, Time Warner Cable. They could care a less. Of course they try to play it off to being some sort of network problem on my end. To which I explain it certainly is not. Even tell them about how I got a message afterwards asking me "How did you like getting hit offline?" I was talking to someone that sounded like they were in the Middle East somewhere. I suppose if I pursued it hard enough and got to a higher level support preferably someone American I could have gotten further.

If you ain't talking to the retention department you're doing it wrong. You have g to start every phone call off by threatening to cancel until you get them on the phone.

Reporting to your ISP is pretty much useless. The way I understand it is you won't be able to get the booters actual IP address if he's using some kind of pay service for booting. You will simply get tons of random IP's from the servers of the booting service which doesn't really help you at all.

If they are using their own connection to boot you (which usually isn't the case) then you can pick up their IP I suppose.

Doesn't matter, nobody would do anything. Even if you called their isp with definitive proof nothing would happen. They would rather keep getting paid by the offender every month. If you complain to the right people at your own isp you can at least get free stuff
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: BionicTbag on 09:37 AM - 09/12/13
here is something that may clear up any questions...


http://cdn.asset.slashdotmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/dell_What_to_Look_for_When1.pdf (http://cdn.asset.slashdotmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/dell_What_to_Look_for_When1.pdf)
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: facade on 09:45 AM - 09/12/13
Even though it is a felony reporting it is pretty much pointless as no company is going to spend time/money to find out who knocked off little Timmy while he was playing CoD.

You need to knock of something that matters for them to look into it.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: gunit2004 on 12:58 AM - 09/13/13
Haha, some Rank 2 tried to hit my squad offline but little did he know he was about to receive some return fire.

Kicked him and his 3 teammates and we won.  ;D
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: amak1 on 02:40 AM - 09/13/13
Yes ddos wars... you guys are brilliant. Lmao. At least you gave him the taste but at that point why play? Might as well go pubstomping.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Od1n on 02:54 AM - 09/13/13
ddos wars...

... return of the CoD Tryhards?




honestly guys, stop that ddos @#$%

if you ddos an EU player he can sent you 3 years into jail on your next EU trip, this really aint a childish game
in the UK you get 2 years jail for just downloading ddos software (LOIC), even worse if you start to make use out of the software
a maximum of 10 years can await you on severe cases

and that just are the punishments for ddosing home networks
do a companies network and you deal with jail for 5 years or more
if you dont end up in jail, the punishment fees are enormous

and no, you are not anonymous in the internet
pretty much all ISPs are specialized for that @#$% over here, just ddos the wrong person that does a phonecall to his/her ISP or the next police station and you re gonna have a funny time on your next EU trip when leaving the plane
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: PlaDale on 04:41 AM - 09/13/13
Odin the chances of that are so far to the right of the decimal (i guess comma for you) 0.0000000000000... that they are effectively 0%
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: BionicTbag on 06:36 AM - 09/13/13
ddos wars...

... return of the CoD Tryhards?




honestly guys, stop that ddos @#$%

if you ddos an EU player he can sent you 3 years into jail on your next EU trip, this really aint a childish game
in the UK you get 2 years jail for just downloading ddos software (LOIC), even worse if you start to make use out of the software
a maximum of 10 years can await you on severe cases

and that just are the punishments for ddosing home networks
do a companies network and you deal with jail for 5 years or more
if you dont end up in jail, the punishment fees are enormous

and no, you are not anonymous in the internet
pretty much all ISPs are specialized for that @#$% over here, just ddos the wrong person that does a phonecall to his/her ISP or the next police station and you re gonna have a funny time on your next EU trip when leaving the plane


if what you say is true, then this would mean that any US person could have any other US based person arrested upon arrival in the EU simply by correctly spoofing the others IP/ID @#$%.



Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Od1n on 07:00 AM - 09/13/13
ddos is regarded a lot weaker in USA, but yeah, in general your statement is true

over here however ddos is regarded as a violent computer manipulation, similar to hacking
thats how its written in the law of my country for example
(violent computer manipulation is the 1:1 word translation, there surely is a better word for it)

ofc you dont end up with a jail case on your first court report, unless court can prove you do it more often
which usually is the case, or you have a criminal background already
friend of mine got ddosed a few times, called his ISP and police station and short time later the person that did that received a fee in the 4 digit range

there are laws over there that force the ISP to give out all necessary data to the police in those cases, its done in very short time as it all got standardized some time ago


and yes, if you ddos from US to EU an EU arrest order will become valid as soon as you lay your foot on EU ground
if its a bigger arrest order they even can demand your delivery, although this surely wont be the case with a ddos lol
however i think money fees can even be executed cross continential


your only saviour right now is that barely any victim knows about their rights
close to no one will make the move to the police station
heck even most of the victims dont know that they got ddosed in the first place, they will call it a technical error with their connection or whatsoever
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 07:09 AM - 09/13/13
odin, there's no software required...  most kids launch the ddos attacks from websites like as "ipstressor.com" which is only a couple dollars a month for more than enough power...

1- you cant get in trouble for being a member of a website
2- technically your not ddosing anybody if the website is sending the packets
3- they cant even get you for creating a botnet

But your one point still remains good- its dumb to go through that much trouble just for a game.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Od1n on 07:12 AM - 09/13/13
yes thats the workaround harney, by now you are sort of save going that way as the hoster of the website is the one being targeted
and those are much harder to root back with their offshore servers than a person that executes the ddos from his own computer via software


i still wouldnt do it
far too much risks involved for just a mere game
have the web hoster being caught and let him have a saved database and this could get dirty
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: facade on 08:17 AM - 09/13/13
While kinda OT for this topic just thought I would say apparently they are sprinkling in Dedicated servers in Pubs now.

Found one last night when I wanted to try to confirm if this rumor was true or not. I'm not going to lie I thought it was going to be BS, but I was wrong. They are few & far between but they are out there now. I'm assuming that they are rolling them out for testing for Ghosts on XB1.

IT.WAS.GLORIOUS.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 09:44 AM - 09/13/13
...how could you tell it was dedicated?
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Ryoga on 09:59 AM - 09/13/13
...violent computer manipulation...

Sounds like HAL.... Dave...
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: facade on 10:01 AM - 09/13/13
...how could you tell it was dedicated?

Cain & Able and did a whois/ping -a on the IP with the most packets sent/recieved.

It belonged to a Choopa server.
http://www.choopa.com/

Edit:
When I get home I can give you a SS of the info itself that's still on my screen as well.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: tuffrabit on 10:03 AM - 09/13/13
I seriously doubt Microsoft is outsourcing Azure tech to Choopa for management.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: facade on 10:07 AM - 09/13/13
I seriously doubt Microsoft is outsourcing Azure tech to Choopa for management.

Doesn't League use the Choopa servers as well though? Only thing I can think of is they are simply testing how it will work in pubs maybe?

I honestly have no idea and I agree that I'm sure they won't be using that when they start using their cloud system. I'm simply relaying what I found when looking for myself after seeing a Drif0r vid on this.

Edit:

Here is the vid I was referring to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6FFnEQI3Zs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6FFnEQI3Zs)
Title: Re: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: PlaDale on 10:13 AM - 09/13/13
I seriously doubt Microsoft is outsourcing Azure tech to Choopa for management.

Doesn't League use the Choopa servers as well though? Only thing I can think of is they are simply testing how it will work in pubs maybe?

I honestly have no idea and I agree that I'm sure they won't be using that when they start using their cloud system. I'm simply relaying what I found when looking for myself after seeing a Drif0r vid on this.

Yeah my friend made a Reddit post about it on the bo2 sub, driftor mentions him in the vid, league uses a game hosting company for sure. Not to say they'll use them for xb1, but they might use them for ps3/360 if they try to make all systems on dedicated servers
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 10:18 AM - 09/13/13
lol @ Choopa.

Maybe the host was playing from work.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: tuffrabit on 10:23 AM - 09/13/13
why people are using cain & able instead of wireshark is beyond me.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 10:24 AM - 09/13/13
Cain and Able = noob friendly.

Wireshark requires the pcap and such and a knowledge of how to sort the data. But yes wireshark provides more information.
Title: Re: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: PlaDale on 10:24 AM - 09/13/13
lol @ Choopa.

Maybe the host was playing from work.

When you pay league you connect to Choopa / GameServers
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 10:37 AM - 09/13/13
*shrug* I am just saying it doesn't make sense o do it that way for any extended period of time.

I would assume these move to a real colo with release.

Not saying it isn't happening now..never really bothered to check.

We for example host our own dedicated servers 10 feet outside of my office :P
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: facade on 11:06 AM - 09/13/13
why people are using cain & able instead of wireshark is beyond me.

Just didn't need it.

I think last time I used wireshark was when it was called ethereal.  I only downloaded & used C&A for this test in general & will delete it within a week.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: cbn on 01:20 PM - 09/13/13
Anyone who doesnt mind spending $7-10/month can get a VPN and never worry about 12 year old kids knocking you offline.

I manually add the VPN in the Change adapter settings on my PC, then share it with my Xbox which is connected to my 2nd ethernet port on my PC. Very easy solution. Or you can configure your router for a PPTP/Open VPN with dd-wrt, which is advanced for the normal PC user. You can also buy configured routers from some vpn providers.

These are 2 simple methods to accomplish this without using a configured router:

1) Shared VPN connection with LAC1
Local Area Connection 1 (XBOX)
Local Area Connection 2 (Internet)

2) Bridged LAC1 with Wifi
Local Area Connection 1 (XBOX)
Wifi (Internet )


My VPN speed is unlimited so I stream and play at the same time without a problem. Just make sure the company you buy a VPN from has a server close to your location.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 02:03 PM - 09/13/13
Right.

That's because you route all of your data from the xbox over the vpn tunnel. They get the data center's IP and they can handle the DDOS. With the proper security in place.

If the data center didn't have the proper security they could just hammer you until the vpn dropped at the data center and still disconnect you :P
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: gunit2004 on 02:18 AM - 09/17/13
Yes ddos wars... you guys are brilliant. Lmao. At least you gave him the taste but at that point why play? Might as well go pubstomping.

I just like to screw with people who think they're invincible.

Just did it again tonight. We were playing with a team of 4 and got matched up with a bunch of Rank 1's who were on a 40+ win streak. As soon as the game started the DDOS war commenced and we came out on top.

It's funny because they kept messaging us after the game threatening that they were going to "fry" our routers, lmfao. But they never did because they probably never bothered saving our IP's.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: amak1 on 05:12 AM - 09/17/13
They should change league play to "packet play" lol... i feel for u guys that are super competetive but you know league play is dead with the next cod anyway. Always happens... league play is bo2s infected which is bos gungame which is mw2s search yada yada yada.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: gunit2004 on 05:58 AM - 09/17/13
They should change league play to "packet play" lol... i feel for u guys that are super competetive but you know league play is dead with the next cod anyway. Always happens... league play is bo2s infected which is bos gungame which is mw2s search yada yada yada.

Yeah... lol.

Oh well, I'm pretty much done with this BS game now that GTA: V is out.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 07:24 AM - 09/17/13
They should change league play to "packet play" lol... i feel for u guys that are super competetive but you know league play is dead with the next cod anyway. Always happens... league play is bo2s infected which is bos gungame which is mw2s search yada yada yada.

... leagueplay isnt super competitive... its only 1 step above pubs

If you try doing any of this ddos garb in GB's you'll get perm banned instantly. They dont mess around with this at all.
Title: Re: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: PlaDale on 07:31 AM - 09/17/13
They should change league play to "packet play" lol... i feel for u guys that are super competetive but you know league play is dead with the next cod anyway. Always happens... league play is bo2s infected which is bos gungame which is mw2s search yada yada yada.

... leagueplay isnt super competitive... its only 1 step above pubs

And GB is easier than league play when you cherry pick and only play game types you're good at, hence your w/l in league is lower than your w/l in GB.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 07:41 AM - 09/17/13
my w/l is league is lower than GBs because I leave games all the time when we get GB matches, teammates leave games, you get iron leaguers at 4ths, and you get ddossed every other game you play.

They changed the gb system now anyways- theres no levels. Its all completely random. You just have an arrow telling you whether a team is higher or lower than you. If your level 8 and your playing a lower level team than you could be getting a level 7.
Title: Re: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: PlaDale on 07:58 AM - 09/17/13
my w/l is league is lower than GBs because I leave games all the time when we get GB matches, teammates leave games, you get iron leaguers at 4ths, and you get ddossed every other game you play.

They changed the gb system now anyways- theres no levels. Its all completely random. You just have an arrow telling you whether a team is higher or lower than you. If your level 8 and your playing a lower level team than you could be getting a level 7.

So how many matches out of ten do you select a higher level team :P

Also you have more legit league losses than GB losses fo sho, hard point is hard
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 08:34 AM - 09/17/13
*sigh*
Title: Re: Re: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: RookCheck on 08:41 AM - 09/17/13
They should change league play to "packet play" lol... i feel for u guys that are super competetive but you know league play is dead with the next cod anyway. Always happens... league play is bo2s infected which is bos gungame which is mw2s search yada yada yada.

... leagueplay isnt super competitive... its only 1 step above pubs

And GB is easier than league play when you cherry pick and only play game types you're good at, hence your w/l in league is lower than your w/l in GB.


my w/l is league is lower than GBs because I leave games all the time when we get GB matches, teammates leave games, you get iron leaguers at 4ths, and you get ddossed every other game you play.

They changed the gb system now anyways- theres no levels. Its all completely random. You just have an arrow telling you whether a team is higher or lower than you. If your level 8 and your playing a lower level team than you could be getting a level 7.

So how many matches out of ten do you select a higher level team :P

Also you have more legit league losses than GB losses fo sho, hard point is hard

Easy there Souver.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 08:52 AM - 09/17/13
There are only 31 higher teams , and over 16,000 lower teams. So yeah, most of the time we choose lower ones. But if we choose a random lower team, it could literally be any one of those 16,000 teams.

We try and steer clear of Hardpoint in GBs - if you run into a westcoast based team and your on eastcoast it can become a nightmare. You can win SnD with a crappy connection, Hardpoint is a different story... especially when you have to play 2 out of 3 matches on the other team's host.

If you get Ddos'ed in Gb's and dispute with proof the other team will get perm banned immediately. Thats the nice thing about having a private ladder- any "competetive" system that is implemented within the game itself will not be able to police itself. Alot of the top 10 masters are only there because of ddos... which is just dumb

The season that I got #1 masters I ran into this other #1 masters kid who was "holding the #2 guy offline" for the whole day at the end of the season...
Title: Re: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: PlaDale on 12:17 PM - 09/17/13
They should change league play to "packet play" lol... i feel for u guys that are super competetive but you know league play is dead with the next cod anyway. Always happens... league play is bo2s infected which is bos gungame which is mw2s search yada yada yada.

... leagueplay isnt super competitive... its only 1 step above pubs

And GB is easier than league play when you cherry pick and only play game types you're good at, hence your w/l in league is lower than your w/l in GB.


my w/l is league is lower than GBs because I leave games all the time when we get GB matches, teammates leave games, you get iron leaguers at 4ths, and you get ddossed every other game you play.

They changed the gb system now anyways- theres no levels. Its all completely random. You just have an arrow telling you whether a team is higher or lower than you. If your level 8 and your playing a lower level team than you could be getting a level 7.

So how many matches out of ten do you select a higher level team :P

Also you have more legit league losses than GB losses fo sho, hard point is hard

Easy there Souver.

You don't even play league let alone GB so you can take it easy. There's a reason they go nowhere in playoffs, because it's not s&d only and you have to play hard teams. Souvenir wasn't wrong, he's just an id so nobody pays him any mind


*sigh*

I'd sigh too if I tried to be on their team and they booted me. Inb4 you didn't get booted.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 01:14 PM - 09/17/13
the reason why we haven't done well in playoffs thus far is:

1) its gb variant which is dumb (nobody plays gb variant, not even the major lan tournements which play MLG variant) ie. no flackjacket/trophysystems/tacmask/TF/MMS/killstreaks/awareness)... basically if you throw a flash, theres nothing you can do but be stunned for 20 seconds.... there's no counter.... and nobody uses sound at all you just run around randomly and hope you see someone first.

2) seasons past it was only the top 8 teams (which means its VERY good teams, not just good teams)

stop being a hater just because I dissed on your precious leagueplay. If you read my story about the guy who was holding someone offline for an entire day because he wanted the #1 slot you would realize how ridiculous the system is.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: PlaDale on 01:21 PM - 09/17/13
I like league play but I don't take it seriously for various reasons but

1. It's way better than pubs, you play hard people 100x more often at least.

2. GB is barely above league at all in terms of what is "harder" but league play is much more convenient


And everyone knows GB variant is trash but the other team is playing it too so...
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: RookCheck on 01:33 PM - 09/17/13
I'm not sure what my experience in league or GBs has to do with anything.

I'm just amused at this seemingly out-of-nowhere butthurt.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 01:45 PM - 09/17/13
I like league play but I don't take it seriously for various reasons but

1. It's way better than pubs, you play hard people 100x more often at least.

2. GB is barely above league at all in terms of what is "harder" but league play is much more convenient


And everyone knows GB variant is trash but the other team is playing it too so...

So if the playoffs were bolts only/ shields only / or hardcore radar always on than the best team would win that too? Its a niche style that requires different strats. Camping on one side of the map and chucking lucky nades trying to get stuns isnt my idea of fun - so we stick to MLG variant. It just so happens that all the actual pros agree with us and play that as well.

Champs league is better than pubs but because of the lack of rosters / having to play with randoms all the time / rampant ddosers the actual ranking system cant be taken seriously. And this is coming from someone who got masters #1..
Title: Re: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: PlaDale on 02:06 PM - 09/17/13
I'm not sure what my experience in league or GBs has to do with anything.

I'm just amused at this seemingly out-of-nowhere butthurt.

You are the only one that is butthurt itt pal

If Dale chooses to insert himself and GB into this thread for no reason I'm free to comment on it right?
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 02:31 PM - 09/17/13
I said that they don't take ddosing lightly in GB, you will get perm banned.

That's good information to post considering that ddosing (as you can see from this thread) is so rampant in league play.

Not sure how that falls under "no reason to post"...

you woke up on the wrong side of the bed boatz
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 03:10 PM - 09/17/13
Just saying..I play league play with people all the time. I do well..and its more fun than pubs for me..but hardly challenging. Anytime there IS a challenge or a good team my team gets host booted.

So I just do not take care if I win or lose..am masters or not..its all pointless and not an accurate display of skill, in the sense that most of the people at the top booted their way to the top.

I don't even get mad when it happens anymore and I find it humerous because honestly rank doesn't mean much.

I was running around with accord and some of his friends..they were all masters and I was carrying most of them. They aren't terrible players by any means, but they are hardly "amazing" Accord and I could always out score them.

However they were competent players so it works for a majority of league play games. It was enjoyable.

I am just saying I was bronze rank...the rest of my team is masters and I was topping the leaderboard almost every game.

Just saying the rank system is kinda poo. However I do agree that people tend to try a little more in league play than in pubs.

However I would not refer to leagueplay as "competitive"

just a place to play and pick off noobs who rage moreso than people in pubs wich is entertaining.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: PlaDale on 03:11 PM - 09/17/13
I'm just wasting idle time by picking on Dale.

Anyway,

Ddosing lots of stuff will get you in trouble, but you only mentioned one that you happen to have a good record in, have in your Sig, brag about regularly here. I just had to remind everyone of the evidence Souvenirs undercover investigation revealed a while back. Besides, I was ranked in masters when you were still bragging about being a 6kd pub star so I don't want to hear it!
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: FacialAbuse on 04:33 PM - 09/17/13
There are only 31 higher teams , and over 16,000 lower teams. So yeah, most of the time we choose lower ones. But if we choose a random lower team, it could literally be any one of those 16,000 teams.

We try and steer clear of Hardpoint in GBs - if you run into a westcoast based team and your on eastcoast it can become a nightmare. You can win SnD with a crappy connection, Hardpoint is a different story... especially when you have to play 2 out of 3 matches on the other team's host.

If you get Ddos'ed in Gb's and dispute with proof the other team will get perm banned immediately. Thats the nice thing about having a private ladder- any "competetive" system that is implemented within the game itself will not be able to police itself. Alot of the top 10 masters are only there because of ddos... which is just dumb

The season that I got #1 masters I ran into this other #1 masters kid who was "holding the #2 guy offline" for the whole day at the end of the season...

Is getting perma banned for ddosing just an xbox thing? Cuz on ps3 even if you do all the required steps in proving they ddosed you, you win the match but they dont immediately get banned.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 05:25 PM - 09/17/13
we've got a few teams that tried to ddos us permbanned / disbanded... are you premium members? that could have something to do with it.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 05:43 PM - 09/17/13
Yeah. I am not sure. I am not knocking you PlaDale, but souvers undercover investigation really means nothing.

You can either A. Play no matches or just accept any match you can.

Host booting in GB's rarely happens because it is obvious when its the case. And most are recorded.

However it doesn't really matter at the end of the day. I didn't brag about being a 6kd pubstar just clearly stated that it is incredibly easy to get a good KD in pubs. In pubs I avg 5-6 kd.

In leagueplay about 2.5-3kd.

*shrug* I have been masters a few times. I just for one (until lately) have not been able to play much. I am however available again to play when needed. If no one I want to play with is on I generally solo queue it up or play diablo 3 :P
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: PlaDale on 05:50 PM - 09/17/13
I was replying to Dale, you replied at the same time
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 09:01 AM - 09/18/13
I was replying to Dale, you replied at the same time

lol its all good.

And if the ybooted me from the team I would understand..I was MIA for about 3 months. I am back now and all is good. But to be honest I am not worried about GB's or anything competitive really until next gen now.

Just taking it easy playing Diablo and jumping on for some COD occasionally.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: PlaDale on 09:17 AM - 09/18/13
Yeah I'm playing borderlands , I've never made it through a full cod cycle
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 09:30 AM - 09/18/13
Didn't boot for any reason except that we had to make room for people for playoffs- Only have 2 premium members now so we can only have 8 people on the roster.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: facade on 09:30 AM - 09/18/13
Yeah I'm playing borderlands , I've never made it through a full cod cycle

MW3 was the only one I made it through. LOVED KC.

Played that pretty much exclusively and made it into the 900s ranking prior to the leaderboards going to ****.

Couldn't stick with BO2, as horrible as the MW3 connections were at launch trying to play BO2 did nothing but piss us off with the sheer amount of bs occuring every game. Which was sad because I did enjoy the gameplay of BO2 more.
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 12:53 PM - 09/18/13
Didn't boot for any reason except that we had to make room for people for playoffs- Only have 2 premium members now so we can only have 8 people on the roster.

I have a premium acct..fyi if needed. I know man. Haters gonna hate and all that jazz. I am fully aware that the past few months I have been sporadic at best. Its settling down now. :)
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: Dale on 12:59 PM - 09/18/13
Ah that actually would be super helpful- but the rosters just got locked for the rest of the season .... balls
Title: Re: Can you be DDOS'd on dedicated servers?
Post by: NinjaX2 on 01:02 PM - 09/18/13
No worries.