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Title: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Zombieguy on 08:52 AM - 08/23/13
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Moderators Note:
this Guide is a demonstration on how slow behaving elements such as Turrets, Jets, Vehicles, Tanks and others Objects can be made responsible and enjoyable with XIM running Mouse and Keyboard

The following Tutorial is based on Battlefield 3, however can be translated to any other Game
(see the Guide in combiantion with #4 for instance)

How to Backup and Restore Configs

http://www.xim3.com/community/index.php?topic=23901.msg289838#msg289838

1. Turret Turn Assist for vehicles that have a Turret or Stationary Turret Vehciles.

Below I use BF4 as an example!

Here is a video showing and explaining how it works and how the Tank Turret works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi3dYkeG2f4

This is activated by assigning a key or mouse button in the config files "hotkey" as shown in the picture.
The best key to assign this Turret Assist is to the "forward Mouse Button". I tried many different keys and Buttons and the "Forward Mouse Button" allows you to handle the turret with ease while holding this button. Now when you first start using it, it will take some practice but takes no time to master.

If you are missing fingers, hands, arms then assign the "hotkey" that works for you.

Once you assign this "hotkey" this key is now dedicated through all Configs on your XIM edge.

To use it? While in game simply press the "Forward Mouse Button" and hold to use it. Once you release the button the config disables. However we are not done yet.

How to make it?

Make a new config file using the correct ST for your game or in this case I use the Left4Dead ST as the example for BF4. 

*****IMPORTANT*****
This requires 2 profiles for this to work.

1. Setup this new Profile with all the user fuctions you would use in the game when using your Vehicle turret or Rapid turning assist in Air vehicles. If you are using this for BF4, apply the ballistics curve or your own curve for other games. Name the profile to anything you want.

>>> XIM Edge Ballistics START Paste >>>
XEBH:0100030B1F3B587491A9C8C8C8C8C8C8C8C8C8C8C8C83408
<<< XIM Edge Ballistics END Paste   <<<

Refer to the picture.

(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4581/sgcq.JPG) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/34/sgcq.JPG/)

(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/769/huhc.JPG) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/34/huhc.JPG/)


2. Make a copy of the the new profile you just made. All the input user fuctions are not done. (Note, If you do not match the user fuctions in the profile you just made, it will not work. This is why you copy it so it is done for you) 

Refer to the pictures. Name the profile "Turret Hold"

3. Apply this curve

>>> XIM Edge Ballistics START Paste >>>
XEBH:01C8C8C8C8C8C8C8C8C8C8C8C8C8C8C8C8C8C8C8C8C850C3
<<< XIM Edge Ballistics END Paste   <<<

(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/1913/sajo.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/29/sajo.jpg/)

(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2406/9axd.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/18/9axd.jpg/)


4. Changethe Load behavior to "Temporary Hold". Refer to picture - Save and you are all done.

Make sure that Forward Mouse button or the button you chose to useis not used in any other profiles. If you do and you press this button you will activate it in a profile you do not want too.

To use this while you are in the Turret vehicle, press your hot key to load your profile press and hold your Forward Mouse Button or desired key you picked. If you release it, it will deactivate. It only activates while you hold the button. It wont take long until you master it.

This turret fuction works great for anything that has a very slow turn speed.
Title: BF4 Setup
Post by: Zombieguy on 08:52 AM - 08/23/13
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Title: Re: BF3 Advanced setup and Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Zombieguy on 06:58 PM - 08/23/13
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Title: Re: BF3 Advanced setup and Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Od1n on 08:46 PM - 08/23/13
excellent
so much work, detail, effort and most of all, value for the community!

stickied :)
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Xog on 08:52 PM - 08/23/13
Excellent work! I'm sure many people would be interested in this. I actually recently received a PM from someone on the forum asking how to install the BF3 configs. Next time I'll point them here!

:)
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Zombieguy on 06:10 AM - 08/24/13
Thank you!
 I got a few posts a week about my manual setup and other threads I had going on how to do it. I think what I have written here will eliminate most of that as I have tried to make it simple to install using a file and understand through the pictures and the Video I made. As you can see I am not a video person. I think I did 10 or more retakes haha. I felt so awkward.

In the end I hope I can offer the same best experience as I have playing BF3. You can enjoy all scenarios and vehicles of the game.  Besides the jet as I am still working on that one:)
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: RML on 08:17 AM - 08/24/13
Ok, Now will you please do an advanced setup for Nav users!

Lol... JK man, good stuff.

PS - You're Insane!

 ;)
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: SadCustomer on 08:46 AM - 08/24/13
all seems good until the download links like to install 3 other junkware and not the cfg.......
please don't upload to such @#$% sites
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Zombieguy on 01:04 PM - 08/24/13
ew really? let me change sites
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Xog on 01:20 PM - 08/24/13
Thank you!
 I got a few posts a week about my manual setup and other threads I had going on how to do it. I think what I have written here will eliminate most of that as I have tried to make it simple to install using a file and understand through the pictures and the Video I made. As you can see I am not a video person. I think I did 10 or more retakes haha. I felt so awkward.

In the end I hope I can offer the same best experience as I have playing BF3. You can enjoy all scenarios and vehicles of the game.  Besides the jet as I am still working on that one:)

curious - what is your upload bandwidth? :D
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Zombieguy on 02:34 PM - 08/24/13
Thank you!
 I got a few posts a week about my manual setup and other threads I had going on how to do it. I think what I have written here will eliminate most of that as I have tried to make it simple to install using a file and understand through the pictures and the Video I made. As you can see I am not a video person. I think I did 10 or more retakes haha. I felt so awkward.

In the end I hope I can offer the same best experience as I have playing BF3. You can enjoy all scenarios and vehicles of the game.  Besides the jet as I am still working on that one:)

curious - what is your upload bandwidth? :D

lol 600kbs
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Zombieguy on 03:49 PM - 08/24/13
all seems good until the download links like to install 3 other junkware and not the cfg.......
please don't upload to such @#$% sites

I just tried all the links and I got no junkware or anything.. You must not be using google chrome.. just about any webfile free hosting you are going to get junk. Use Chrome web browser and install ad blocker.
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Od1n on 03:54 PM - 08/24/13
dunno how big the files are but you could probably also upload them to the forum server, they would then be attached below the topic

unsure how that works, maybe ask mist or someone else
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: mist4fun on 04:23 PM - 08/24/13
Try dropbox

https://www.dropbox.com
Title: Re: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: PlaDale on 05:37 PM - 08/24/13
Try dropbox

https://www.dropbox.com

The new version of mega upload is good for that too
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: GreyMouser on 11:34 PM - 08/24/13
all seems good until the download links like to install 3 other junkware and not the cfg.......
please don't upload to such @#$% sites

I just tried all the links and I got no junkware or anything.. You must not be using google chrome.. just about any webfile free hosting you are going to get junk. Use Chrome web browser and install ad blocker.

Yeah, hate to say it but I got some malware too. I use Adblock Plus so any adware links didn't show up on the page (firefox). Within the download file, however, my Malwarebytes quarantined something I can't recall. So maybe I'll just do without the ADS-transition workaround. The other suggestions in this thread are great.
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Zombieguy on 04:21 PM - 08/27/13
For those of you who use Option 1 and option 3, I  have figured out how to group global profiles so you do not have to Lose your "Forward Mouse Button" as a dedicated global Key just for the Tank turret. You would be able to use the forward mouse button for the Infantry on foot.

This now also allows me to include the Jet setup using mouse and keyboard and Turn assist. Since Tank turret turn assist and the Jet Turret turn assist both use the Forward key but different setup you can now use both on the same key.


You cannot use this in Option 2. why? The edge can on read 1 global input at a time. If it reads 2 meaning if you hit 2 global key at the same time it will lock on the last one used and will not reset back thus messing up my loopholes. So again. Only option 1 and 3.

Let me know if you are interested. It will take some time as I will have to completely rewrite all the config files for options 1 and 3.

Yay no more spinning while in primary mode when I accidently hit my "forward mouse button" Tank turret!
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: andy_m on 11:24 PM - 08/27/13
Hi Zombieguy :)

I opted for Option Two, because you said you used it. So I thought I'd give that one a try first.

It took me a couple of hours changing the key bindings to my strange taste, being a numeric keypad user. It was hard work making sure I had all the bindings working the same across the different configs and also understanding what was going on with the temp hold configs. Eventually, after a few fails here and there, I managed to get everything working as it should.

I had a bash in a random forum, which was empty at first. But it soon filled up and I find myself in the middle of an average sized match.

I've never been a good tank driver. I have always disliked the options availabe for forward/reverse. This setup has helped me a great deal, to the point where I am now reasonably confident to jump in a tank and not make a total plonker of myself. I've still to learn how to use a tank in the game, tactically and all that, but that will come with practise.

One thing kept going wrong though. I've not had time since to check out my configs, and I need to write down how to replicate the problem because it appears to be intermittent, but the blue config for Tank Turret, which should be a temp hold load behavior, sometimes gets stuck on and I have to press a key to reload my red or green config.

I think that one thing I am doing it pressing the ADS key, thus loading that config with the right mouse button, and then pressing the mouse forward button so I can turn faster.

Perhaps the XIM has a problem with loading two temp hold configs at the same time. Or it may be that I have slightly messed up one of my configs. I'm also wondering if I should get out of the habit of firing and rapid turning at the same time. It would make sense, I suppose, to release the mouse forward button once in position and then revert to fine aiming once on target...

I won't know for a few days as I won't be online a bit till Friday (her indoors is starting to get a bit miffed at the amount of time I'm spending on BF23 lately lol).
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Zombieguy on 05:03 AM - 08/28/13
Hey Andy I'm glad it's working for you. In option 2 you lose the right mouse button to the ads as a global config just Like the tank turret So when you are in the tank and press the right mouse button and the forward button the xim will lock on that toggle and will not reset. What are you using the right mouse button for while in the tank?

I resolved this issue if you use option 1 and 3 but when I tried the standard ads as in option 1 I could not aim. You dont realize how bad it is when you go back to it.  If in the future we get grouped configs in the manager this will fix all of that. You need to reasign you right mouse button for the tank to something else. Look at the pictures where I explained this for option 2.
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: andy_m on 05:34 AM - 08/28/13
What are you using the right mouse button for while in the tank?


Hmmm... good question, because that button would normally release smoke, if I remember correctly, at least sat in the drivers seat.

I think it is just a matter of getting used to the buttons and to the configs as supplied (barring the usual button binding changes).

And, thinking about it, I should be in "Soldier" mode (red) when I jump into the machine gunners seat. That's when I normally click on the RMB, in order to zoom in, so perhaps I could bind a different button for that purpose. No... that's a load of rubbish... ADS is ADS so I'll have to think of something else. I won't be able to try again until the weekend so it'll have to wait for a bit.

I'm finding that each time I try something different it is like starting over again, especially in "panic" situations. Add to that the fact I've only been playing BF3 for a month or so, I'm taking longer than I thought to get used to the game itself, the gameplay, all the different modes and game types... It's a massive game compared to what I used to play many years ago. In fact, if someone had said to me three months ago that I would end up totally engrosed in a shoot'em up I'd have told them to go play on the motorway. But there ya go LOL.

Keep up the good work dood :) And I'll read over this post some more, just in case I'm missing something (very likely).

May be that the Gaffer sees so much good work done here, just for one game, that we may well get some advanced config groupings in the near future :)
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Zombieguy on 05:51 AM - 08/28/13
Yes, when you are in the drivers seat in the tank you can't use the right mouse button using option 2. In the gunners seat it's set up that if you change seats it defaults back to soldier and you are ok to use the right mouse button.
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: x DOS X EQUiS x on 01:53 PM - 09/01/13
This gave me an idea for Halo 4 vehicles. My only question is the Ballistic curve @500. Would that be enough to have good aiming on H4? I'll give it a try on my G13.
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Zombieguy on 10:25 AM - 09/03/13
I have a working bf3 jet config also using the turret config. I figured out how to load different hotkey profiles attached to the same key. The tank turret and the jet turret assist are different key setups but need to be used on the same forward mouse button. I can now load the right one using the same key for both.  so basicaly iI grouped configs .'m also flying the chopper with this setup and let me tell you, you have way more control using the mouse and keyboard over the controller. I'll post everything this week when I get time.

Also I will explain how to group hotkey profiles to configs using the same key. And blocking that key so you can use it as a regular key function in any config.
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: andy_m on 11:08 AM - 09/05/13
I seriously look forward to that Zombieguy. I was going to have a try at choppers and jets myself tonight and I might still do. I'm an impatient bugger and I'm itching to fly  ;D

Edit:-

Hahaha, I actually managed to fly tonight  8)

It wasn't pretty and I crashed quite a few times. But with the DS3 pad I couldn't even get off the ground, either in chopper or jet.

I'm still finding it very hard though. I'm all over the place. I'm going to need to put in quite a few hours on an empty server practising.

I've simply used the Tank setup for now but I've copied it to a new config just to get myself into the habit of pressing my "in-flight" button.
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Zombieguy on 01:05 PM - 09/05/13
If you do, use the left4dead2 prodfile as the bf3 look mechanic has a huge dead zone.

I'm working 14 hour days so I'm to tired by the time I get home. I'm on my phone right now.
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: andy_m on 01:08 PM - 09/05/13
If you do, use the left4dead2 prodfile as the bf3 look mechanic has a huge dead zone.

Ah, I edited my post as you made yours. So, yeah, as you can see, I'm using the left4dead2 profile that the tank driver config uses.

Can't wait to see what you have done  ;)  :D

I'm working 14 hour days so I'm to tired by the time I get home. I'm on my phone right now.
Hey! No pressure dood, I can wait really......
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: x DOS X EQUiS x on 08:35 AM - 09/06/13
@ Zombie
Can you help/assist me on making one for halo 4 vehicles and turret. I tried to make one but it just wasn't smooth. Thanks in advance. I'm in no rush too so whenever you get the chance.
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: stason40 on 01:26 PM - 09/06/13

I did a profile on the jet using a profile "Left4Dead2". Ballistic curve is the same as for the infantry only a little more sensitivity. I had to use macros for the additional buttons on the mouse to pitch up and down.

Here is my report, my nickname M0P030B

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/ru/battlereport/show/2/95861050/
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Zombieguy on 05:57 PM - 09/06/13

I did a profile on the jet using a profile "Left4Dead2". Ballistic curve is the same as for the infantry only a little more sensitivity. I had to use macros for the additional buttons on the mouse to pitch up and down.

Here is my report, my nickname M0P030B

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/ru/battlereport/show/2/95861050/

Nice K/D, The setup that I have ready you don't need macros and I have the right curve. Its all  made out. I just have to post it.  I think Sunday evening I should have it posted. Sorry for the wait!
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Cg13 on 01:17 PM - 10/14/13
i attempted to implement this into bf4 demo, but the tank turret init button doesnt seem to work.

it works on infantry, i can hold mouse fwd - and spin 1000 times moving mouse an inch.

but when on the tank, and i need to swivel - holding the fwd mouse doesnt seem to improve turn speed.

has anyone found anything that works for the bf4 demo?
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: BigBoss on 05:21 PM - 10/21/13
Will this essentially work on the xim3?
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Zombieguy on 06:11 PM - 10/21/13
I don't own an XIM but if you can use Hot Key'd profiles yes. You can manually set it up, I provided a link how to do it!
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: BigBoss on 06:13 PM - 10/21/13
Hi Zombieguy. What do you use for your colored keys on your keyboard?
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Zombieguy on 06:19 PM - 10/21/13
I used coloured rings for paper holes I got at staples for quick reference when selecting profiles quickly.

(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/921/oiw5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/22/oiw5.jpg/)

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Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: villianci on 08:42 AM - 10/23/13
I cant thank u enough for all the trouble u went through and sharing it with us.  :D
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Zombieguy on 01:41 PM - 10/23/13
Your welcome. I get to do this all over again with BF4:)
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: roads on 03:26 AM - 10/24/13
Obsiv this should be hardcoded as Turret setting meaning you set up a BF4 setting and you generate a Turret/Jet setting with a single click. I cant tell if this is good as I have no console right now but everyone seems happy with Zombieguys work here.
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Cg13 on 11:35 PM - 11/02/13
tried adapting it to bf4,  have you had any success?  i hate how slow tanks are, but tried putting the high sens, mouse fwd profile and it doesnt seem to work.

still pretty slow.

and helicopters on the xim, idk im struggling... trying to get creative like using wsad onto mouse.. hah i dont know
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: stason40 on 01:08 PM - 01/08/14
Zombieguy, I'm your fan. Now I can't find your profile settings infantry for BF3. There was a link to the program for disable  "ADS". Please help
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: roads on 02:32 PM - 01/08/14
tried adapting it to bf4,  have you had any success?  i hate how slow tanks are, but tried putting the high sens, mouse fwd profile and it doesnt seem to work.

still pretty slow.

and helicopters on the xim, idk im struggling... trying to get creative like using wsad onto mouse.. hah i dont know

did you set the ballistics in more options?
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: dpauly84 on 02:54 AM - 01/10/14
Zombieguy, I'm your fan. Now I can't find your profile settings infantry for BF3. There was a link to the program for disable  "ADS". Please help

The link to thread with the ads uncheck app:
http://www.xim3.com/community/index.php?topic=25439.msg307243#msg307243 (http://www.xim3.com/community/index.php?topic=25439.msg307243#msg307243)
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: stason40 on 06:35 AM - 01/10/14
The link to thread with the ads uncheck app:
http://www.xim3.com/community/index.php?topic=25439.msg307243#msg307243 (http://www.xim3.com/community/index.php?topic=25439.msg307243#msg307243)
Thank you very much. You helped me a lot.
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: MuKen on 11:54 AM - 01/31/14
Have all you guys using this tried XIM's built in turn assist function to control turrets instead? What do you consider the advantages of this setup over that to be?  Just curious.
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Od1n on 04:46 PM - 01/31/14
so far i always used the turn assist
while its not a perfect feature it gets the job done fairly easy
takes some time to get used to though and is only recommended to do 180 turns or turns of similar distance
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: 4yearswishedIcouldgetone on 08:33 PM - 08/15/14
Please help, I have an XIM 3 and I would like to put on the turn assist and apply the ballistics curve you made to the L4D2 profile. For my alternate config that I use to drive tanks in Battlefield 3. How do I do all of this on the XIM 3?
Title: Re: Tank, Turret, Vehicle - Advanced setup & Turret Turn Assist setup for any game!
Post by: Zombieguy on 02:00 PM - 08/30/14
Please help, I have an XIM 3 and I would like to put on the turn assist and apply the ballistics curve you made to the L4D2 profile. For my alternate config that I use to drive tanks in Battlefield 3. How do I do all of this on the XIM 3?

This configuration is for the XIM edge.

If you get the XIM4 you can have all of this with out having to do all of this in the XIM edge or trying to get it to work in the Xim3.