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Title: Xbox One and PlayStation 4
Post by: BionicTbag on 05:24 PM - 05/21/13
 .......... is Microsoft positioned as the clear winner?


Lets compare?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: JerginsSoft on 05:25 PM - 05/21/13
This is gonna go great!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Chance on 05:25 PM - 05/21/13
I reckon PS4 will win.  ;D
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BionicTbag on 05:27 PM - 05/21/13
from everything I have seen I am currently going with xbox... however the finer details are yet to come in 19 days at E3


I am thinking that MS and the smart glass app on windows 8.. that we might be able to connect the two for additional storage...


has anyone seen a Ethernet cable port on the connect?


either way, currently i can control my xbox 360 with smart glass .. and i am certain you will be able to do much more with the ONE...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Jdawg on 07:27 PM - 05/21/13
Too early for this thread, the real comparison starts @ E3 when we will see in-game comparisons most likely.
Title: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Beezles on 07:39 PM - 05/21/13
I like how the ps4 has been more advertised about the gamer as opposed to the xbox's multimedia center.  But E3 will be the deciding factor. And price points as well.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Threewheels on 08:14 PM - 05/21/13
whatever most of my friends get, I'll get.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 08:15 PM - 05/21/13
http://www.youtube.com/v/0rJDn0jRnUQ#!&hd=1

Waiting for the xbox version
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: thegurujim on 08:50 PM - 05/21/13
Consider this, with the Xbox One being a SOC (System On a Chip, meaning the CPU and graphics are integrated on a single chip) games might be developed on a PS4 (dedicated CPU and Discrete graphics) and ported to Xbox One.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: FacialAbuse on 08:52 PM - 05/21/13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QJ0OTzAxGg

dont know how to embed video
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 09:07 PM - 05/21/13
xbox > ps
360 > 3
1 > 4
xbl > pso
hackbox > hack credit cards
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: gunit2004 on 09:28 PM - 05/21/13
Some things to think about:

- Xbox MUST be connected to the internet to play a new game.
- Xbox must connect to the internet at least ONCE EVERY 24 HOURS.
- No more letting your friends borrow your games, they will have to pay a license fee (full MSRP of the game)
- Must pay a license fee (full MSRP of the game) to play a used game.

If you are in a situation where you won't have internet access (in the army or something), there's pretty much no point in buying the new Xbox as it will simply be a paper weight.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 09:31 PM - 05/21/13
if true i support all of those bullet points
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Chance on 09:32 PM - 05/21/13
http://www.youtube.com/v/0rJDn0jRnUQ#!&hd=1

Waiting for the xbox version

LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 09:33 PM - 05/21/13
Leave the fanboy stuff for gamespot....
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 09:42 PM - 05/21/13
if true i support all of those bullet points
Me too...  none of it seems unreasonable at all.

I never understood why people feel entitled to discounted used games.  We're not talking about cars here...  games don't depreciate in value just b/c somebody else used them before you.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: gunit2004 on 09:50 PM - 05/21/13
if true i support all of those bullet points
Me too...  none of it seems unreasonable at all.

I never understood why people feel entitled to discounted used games.  We're not talking about cars here...  games don't depreciate in value just b/c somebody else used them before you.

But people who don't have access to an internet connection should be told to go F themselves?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 10:05 PM - 05/21/13
But people who don't have access to an internet connection should be told to go F themselves?
In a much more polite manner, but yes, that is what they should be told.  Since when is it mandatory that Xbox is accessible to everybody that wants one?  If you don't have internet, don't buy an Xbox...  it's that simple.

The sense of entitlement the gaming "community" has is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 10:52 PM - 05/21/13
No used games on Xbox or M$ getting the money not the seller is a clear advantage for the PS4. This means the games for the ONE cost double. The games are expensive already. This is a big ONE  for Sony and the best decision they made. Game price is not to underestimate.

ASk Obsiv how much more XIMs he sold with half priced Edge even if worse than XIM3 hardware wise.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: gunit2004 on 11:15 PM - 05/21/13
But people who don't have access to an internet connection should be told to go F themselves?
In a much more polite manner, but yes, that is what they should be told.  Since when is it mandatory that Xbox is accessible to everybody that wants one?  If you don't have internet, don't buy an Xbox...  it's that simple.

The sense of entitlement the gaming "community" has is ridiculous.

People won't... that's my point. Xbox will lose plenty of sales from their decision to be online only alone.

Sony has already stated they won't be so "anti-consumer".
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PhiZaRoaH on 12:57 AM - 05/22/13
But people who don't have access to an internet connection should be told to go F themselves?
In a much more polite manner, but yes, that is what they should be told.  Since when is it mandatory that Xbox is accessible to everybody that wants one?  If you don't have internet, don't buy an Xbox...  it's that simple.

The sense of entitlement the gaming "community" has is ridiculous.

People won't... that's my point. Xbox will lose plenty of sales from their decision to be online only alone.

Sony has already stated they won't be so "anti-consumer".


Fully agree.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ABigDeal on 01:10 AM - 05/22/13
No used games on Xbox or M$ getting the money not the seller is a clear advantage for the PS4. This means the games for the ONE cost double. The games are expensive already. This is a big ONE  for Sony and the best decision they made. Game price is not to underestimate.

ASk Obsiv how much more XIMs he sold with half priced Edge even if worse than XIM3 hardware wise.

This.

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Also how are people who criticize a product a fan boy? isn't that the opposite?
Telling people if they dont have a internet connection they can go F themselves, that some hard white knighting of the xbox brah

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Since when is it mandatory that Xbox is accessible to everybody that wants one?

Isn't that exactly what every company wants their product to be?


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I never understood why people feel entitled to discounted used games.  We're not talking about cars here...  games don't depreciate in value just b/c somebody else used them before you.


It's has always been that way, supply and demand of 2nd hand goods. Of course we're not talking about cars, its a product that devalues from lack demand and 2nd hand use like every other product. They do devalue, if i can buy a physical copy of a game new in packaging for $60, why would i buy it used and 2nd hand for the same price? And if its a digital downloadable game, age and demand will drop value of the digital store price depending on whoever is running sales.






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"Anyone else using your console can also play it, but using the disc on any other Xbox One would mean having to pay a full price activation fee to run it."
http://metro.co.uk/2013/05/22/xbox-one-charges-fee-for-second-hand-games-must-be-online-once-a-day-probably-3804045/

No thanks Jeff. But could just be speculation.

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"Microsoft issued a statement after the market's close regarding Wired's report, stating the news wasn't accurate, but wouldn't detail exactly how the information was incorrect."



Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 01:33 AM - 05/22/13
It's has always been that way, supply and demand of 2nd hand goods. Of course we're not talking about cars, its a product that devalues from lack demand like every other product.
How is it a lack of demand?  If I sell my game and you buy it isn't the net demand staying the same?  Used game prices should mimic the new games' prices.  If a brand new CoD is sitting on the shelf priced at $59.99 why shouldn't the used copy sitting beside it have the same price?  It's the same game, the demand is the same.

This is assuming there is no physical damage to the used game, ofc.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ABigDeal on 01:51 AM - 05/22/13
It's has always been that way, supply and demand of 2nd hand goods. Of course we're not talking about cars, its a product that devalues from lack demand like every other product.
How is it a lack of demand?  If I sell my game and you buy it isn't the net demand staying the same?  Used game prices should mimic the new games' prices.  If a brand new CoD is sitting on the shelf priced at $59.99 why shouldn't the used copy sitting beside it have the same price?  It's the same game, the demand is the same.

This is assuming there is no physical damage to the used game, ofc.

Sorry not only lack of demand but used goods will never get the same as shelf price. Not only is it used by a stranger, older, and has no retail/consumer protection etc. What incentives does a physical 2nd hand game have to justify full price?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: THE-MARAVINGY on 03:21 AM - 05/22/13
It's has always been that way, supply and demand of 2nd hand goods. Of course we're not talking about cars, its a product that devalues from lack demand like every other product.
How is it a lack of demand?  If I sell my game and you buy it isn't the net demand staying the same?  Used game prices should mimic the new games' prices.  If a brand new CoD is sitting on the shelf priced at $59.99 why shouldn't the used copy sitting beside it have the same price?  It's the same game, the demand is the same.

This is assuming there is no physical damage to the used game, ofc.

I think you will find its consumer law which protects us from the store doing this its not allowed, plus the store would for it to work have to pay me the full shelf price to buy it back and they aren't going to do that because of the word Profit as there is none to made now.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: THE-MARAVINGY on 03:31 AM - 05/22/13
I'm on the fence till E3 where the proof will be in the pudding.
Both have pro's and con's at the moment until you see it in the flesh working in all its glory then all anyone can do is speculate.
Besides this pay to play second hand games may not go ahead if the community shout loud enough then they may pedal back on that one, lot fan boys here in the uk are already up in arms over it.

No backwards compatibility too PS3 did that and it lost them a lot of fans, the one thing it will do is when launched the 360 will become worthless over night they will be 10 a penny there will be a lot of people from both sides even PS3 will be the same as millions end up getting traded in.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ABigDeal on 04:08 AM - 05/22/13

Besides this pay to play second hand games may not go ahead if the community shout loud enough then they may pedal back on that one, lot fan boys here in the uk are already up in arms over it.


I hope so man, even if its implemented at first and it starts to suffer hopefully they re-think things
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 04:40 AM - 05/22/13
PS4 So far has me, with watching friends play over a cloud and being able to watch then join them instantly all the time talking to them. Being able to jump in and virtually pass the player one pad to your online buddy so he can complete that hard part of the level for you?

Much like we all used to do when we had friends round playing the old offline consoles.
PlayStation have the foresight here.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ABigDeal on 04:46 AM - 05/22/13
PS4 So far has me, with watching friends play over a cloud and being able to watch then join them instantly all the time talking to them. Being able to just in and virtually pass the player one pad to your online buddy so he can complete that hard part of the level for you?

Much like we all used to do when we had friends round playing the old offline consoles.
PlayStation have the foresight here.

Did not know, thats pretty @#$% cool
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 06:50 AM - 05/22/13
PS4 So far has me, with watching friends play over a cloud and being able to watch then join them instantly all the time talking to them. Being able to just in and virtually pass the player one pad to your online buddy so he can complete that hard part of the level for you?

Much like we all used to do when we had friends round playing the old offline consoles.
PlayStation have the foresight here.

Did not know, thats pretty @#$% cool

http://www.youtube.com/v/aAeLosTpQBE&hd=1
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: stoneyftw on 07:35 AM - 05/22/13
All of the used game stuff is conjecture at this point, and even if some reps said one thing, others said another, and the reality is that no one that's talking really knows a @#$% thing.

E3 is coming soon, and a lot of questions will be answered then.  Believe me, Microsoft pulled a ton of punches yesterday.  They are saving the haymakers for E3.

On a side note, I am still thoroughly excited for Nintendo's 1st party title announcements.  I'm however much more excited  to stand in line in the freezing cold with my mini propane heater to buy an Xbox One.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 07:47 AM - 05/22/13
All of the used game stuff is conjecture at this point, and even if some reps said one thing, others said another, and the reality is that no one that's talking really knows a @#$% thing.

E3 is coming soon, and a lot of questions will be answered then.  Believe me, Microsoft pulled a ton of punches yesterday.  They are saving the haymakers for E3.

On a side note, I am still thoroughly excited for Nintendo's 1st party title announcements.  I'm however much more excited  to stand in line in the freezing cold with my mini propane heater to buy an Xbox One.

Well said, and i can't wait to see what the xbox one can do on the gaming side of things..
But as of now? for communications player to player i can't see how it would be anything but just another re iteration of onlive..
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: tuffrabit on 08:10 AM - 05/22/13
I'm however much more excited  to stand in line in the freezing cold with my mini propane heater to buy an Xbox One.

pre-order dude.  show up an hour after the doors open.  no need to wait.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: gahagafaka on 08:47 AM - 05/22/13
getting both day one I don't miss out on games since ps2 gen  8)


Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 09:09 AM - 05/22/13
But people who don't have access to an internet connection should be told to go F themselves?
In a much more polite manner, but yes, that is what they should be told.  Since when is it mandatory that Xbox is accessible to everybody that wants one?  If you don't have internet, don't buy an Xbox...  it's that simple.

The sense of entitlement the gaming "community" has is ridiculous.

People won't... that's my point. Xbox will lose plenty of sales from their decision to be online only alone.

Sony has already stated they won't be so "anti-consumer".

They've actually danced around that topic, saying yes you can play used games and later saying that they can't go into detail at the moment. I'd wait until E3 before throwing MS under the bus, I wouldn't be surprised if this was an initiative by the publishers for both platforms.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 09:13 AM - 05/22/13
and here is the xbox version

http://www.youtube.com/v/KOxdMQhDMIU&hd=1
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: HolyFenix on 09:25 AM - 05/22/13
"we forgot to bring any bloody games, but don't worry it will just be a bunch of men with guns" hahaha classic
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 09:27 AM - 05/22/13
hahahah mocap dogs , dogs dogs dogs, proper dogs , proper dogs!!! I laughed , pretty awesome...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Zacharybinx34 on 09:32 AM - 05/22/13
If it's close I will go with MS because I believe they are a better company.

IF PS4 has GDD5 and XBOX has GDDR3 and PS4 allows used game sales while XBOX ruins that, I will get a PS4 for sure.


I pretty much buy all of my games used on console - except for the new COD's.

And if MS doesn't go with GDDR5 they are morons.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 09:34 AM - 05/22/13
If it's close I will go with MS because I believe they are a better company.

IF PS4 has GDD5 and XBOX has GDDR3 and PS4 allows used game sales while XBOX ruins that, I will get a PS4 for sure.


I pretty much buy all of my games used on console - except for the new COD's.

And if MS doesn't go with GDDR5 they are morons.

Do you know the difference between gddr3 and gddr5? There are tradeoffs and both have pros and cons
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Zacharybinx34 on 09:36 AM - 05/22/13
If it's close I will go with MS because I believe they are a better company.

IF PS4 has GDD5 and XBOX has GDDR3 and PS4 allows used game sales while XBOX ruins that, I will get a PS4 for sure.


I pretty much buy all of my games used on console - except for the new COD's.

And if MS doesn't go with GDDR5 they are morons.

Do you know the difference between gddr3 and gddr5? There are tradeoffs and both have pros and cons

Mind explaining? Everything I read said that GDDR5 offers major advantages.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 09:39 AM - 05/22/13
I haven't heavily researched it but from what I've read gddr3 is faster but has less bandwidth than gddr5. Maybe gddr3 made more sense in MS's design.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: facade on 09:57 AM - 05/22/13
I haven't heavily researched it but from what I've read gddr3 is faster but has less bandwidth than gddr5. Maybe gddr3 made more sense in MS's design.

Various sites I'm finding on Google are stating that GDDR3 is pretty much the same speed as GDDR5 but 5 has more bandwidth.

Edit:
Here is a site that tries to show the difference, although it is from back in 2012 so some info may be outdated. Just thought I'd put it here.

http://knocyc.blogspot.com/2012/03/gddr3-vs-gddr3-vs-gddr5.html
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Zacharybinx34 on 10:17 AM - 05/22/13
So why does MS feel not meeting PS4's tech is necessary?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 10:23 AM - 05/22/13
Thanks I'll read up on it more.


http://www.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 10:27 AM - 05/22/13
That comparison shows gddr3 with faster clocks but lower bandwidth, which matches the info I read elsewhere.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: facade on 10:39 AM - 05/22/13
Noticed the same thing after you said that.

I don't know why the sites I read were saying it's around the same then, although I guess I could kinda see why since it doesn't seem to be that much faster, but faster is faster.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 10:41 AM - 05/22/13
Yeah now that I see data I wonder if the speed justifies the smaller bandwidth. Need more data to form an opinion.

Also, we don't know if x1 has gddr3 or gddr5 yet.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: attila4go on 11:01 AM - 05/22/13
is this true?

(http://abload.de/img/untitledxcstj.png)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: GreyMouser on 11:14 AM - 05/22/13
Hardware-wise, I don't see a ton of difference between the two.

For my choice of next-gen it's going to be which can meet my needs better:

[console most of my IRL friends choose]>>>[XIM compatibility]>>[price (within reason)]>[hardware specs]

As for the 'spying' thing -- don't both the PS4 and 'One have ability for others to watch you? If that's a concern, why not throw a towel on top of the camera? "Always listening"? Switch off the power on the powerstrip/UPS. Regardless, I'm sure 'big brother' has enough info on me 'cuz of my smartphone+tablet usage
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Beezles on 11:17 AM - 05/22/13
not an exciting controller....  but look what happens when it EXPLODES!!!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 11:23 AM - 05/22/13
I think it's assumed that the ram is gddr3 because they didn't specify during the reveal but I haven't read anything about the speed from MS.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 11:45 AM - 05/22/13
No used games on Xbox or M$ getting the money not the seller is a clear advantage for the PS4. This means the games for the ONE cost double. The games are expensive already. This is a big ONE  for Sony and the best decision they made. Game price is not to underestimate.

ASk Obsiv how much more XIMs he sold with half priced Edge even if worse than XIM3 hardware wise.

something i dont get is why this argument gets lost so fast although its pretty much the biggest point that will lead ps4 to its success

imo on the long run ps4 will do the race, not only due to the reason above
a launch is always pure marketing, but on a longer timeframe the real pros and cons will decide the winner



ask yourself:
new CoD Crap Ops 4 comes out

option A) 100$ = Xbox One (60$ game + 40$ yearly xblox live subscription)
option B) 30$ = PS4 (no pay to play online + buy the game used)

yeah right, like any non enthusiast will ever go for option A

also:
this forum is full of enthusiasts, dont take your OWN decision as the general one
you payed 90$ or 250$ for a mouse and keyboard adapter just to enjoy a game more, the oppinion within this forum doesnt resemble the general mood just one bit ;)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 11:48 AM - 05/22/13
People aren't that logical odin.

Even though an android phone has better specs, they will still buy an iphone cause of the name.

Even if a COD release doesnt hit the mark, people will stand in line and shell out the money.

Right now, XBOX has the lead in console gaming, it might take something big to bump them off.

People are creatures of habit.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 11:50 AM - 05/22/13
PS4 So far has me, with watching friends play over a cloud and being able to watch then join them instantly all the time talking to them. Being able to just in and virtually pass the player one pad to your online buddy so he can complete that hard part of the level for you?

Much like we all used to do when we had friends round playing the old offline consoles.
PlayStation have the foresight here.

Did not know, thats pretty @#$% cool

not only that, but you can stream your ps4 game to your mobile PSP Vita and continue your session there wherever you are

call me optimistic but i expect the next gen sony xperia smartphones or its successor to be fully compatible with this service, so no Vita is needed anymore



@ harney

yeah but i think thats more of a marketing thing and is nothing that cannot be changed
PS2 was the market leader once and lost to the xbox some years ago, its not like those changes arent doable at all
same for nintendo some time before
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Shrimpanzee on 12:26 PM - 05/22/13
Given that multi-platform games look nearly identical on 360 and PS3, who cares about hardware?

I guess the only question is if it will remain that way.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 12:32 PM - 05/22/13
True. good point. Its not like they are going to release 2 different versions of COD, or one that hardware lags on xbox, but not on PS4....

for my money, its whichever system works with a XIM, or another m/kb adapter.....

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: gahagafaka on 12:37 PM - 05/22/13
the whole kinect living room thing is weird to me becausse xboxes are used at tourneys atm


imagine having someone just shout XBOX OFF during a tourney :p


doubtful they would develop a kinectless version just for championships
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Beezles on 12:51 PM - 05/22/13
the whole kinect living room thing is weird to me becausse xboxes are used at tourneys atm


imagine having someone just shout XBOX OFF during a tourney :p


doubtful they would develop a kinectless version just for championships

lol, that would be hilarious to do while playing online - say it loud enough and everyone in the lobby's xbox will shut off (unless those wearing headphones) lol
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: HolyFenix on 02:30 PM - 05/22/13
I have decided what how I am going to pick. I will know use my PC for all shooters and strategery games. Then I will pick which system I want based on which has the best adventure/fighting/quirky games. Now This puts xbox at an obvious disadvantage because PSN will most likely still be free and why should I pay for an online service when I am playing single player games.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 02:33 PM - 05/22/13
Isn't the PS4 also released in shops much earlier?
Title: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Beezles on 04:27 PM - 05/22/13
Anyone else read the article that indie developers won't be able to publish on Xbox?  So you won't see games like fez or braid, etc on Xbox anymore.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 05:09 PM - 05/22/13
From what ive seen im leaning towards the ps4 but im sure theres a lot we dont know yet.

As for ddr3 and ddr5 i think since xbox 1 is marketed for a more multimedia and computing experience they chose ddr 3. While sony is more marketing towards hardcore gamers they chose ddr5. Any high end gpu you buy for your pc uses ddr5 so im guessing its better for graphic rendering.

It seems that they each will do different things better and its up to you if you want to watch sports or play crysis 3 on medium settings.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Zombieguy on 05:29 PM - 05/22/13
When it comes to Gaming power, The PS4 will come out on top. This is what I want, Power. 8 gigs of GDR5 all for gaming power.

Xbox has a lot of neat stuff and is stronger in media but its not for me. 8gigs if GDR3 for gaming and a Media operating system will suffer in gaming.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 05:44 PM - 05/22/13
Well you never know since developers can knock out 2 birds with one stone on multiplatform games by developing for the pc or xbox alone... then port it over to the sony because they are the odd man out. Who knows if that extra power will even be utilized by the devs.

Really well have to see how everything plays out.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 09:38 PM - 05/22/13
Best post ive read on this stuff yet...

"People are misunderstanding how much more powerful the PS4 is than the Xbox One.

This generation the 360 had a better GPU, but worse CPU, slower but unified RAM. The PS3 had a better, but more esoteric, CPU, worse GPU and faster but segregated RAM.

So in practical terms it was mostly a wash. Each system had strong points, each had weak points.

The PS4 runs almost an identical hardware set-up as the Xbox's, except its GPU is 50% more powerful and it has 7Gb of better RAM compared to the Xbox's probable 5Gb of slower RAM but with a 32Mb fast buffer (these numbers based on what is allocated to games). And more CPU power will be used on Xbox for Kinect, 3OSes etc.

I think the difference will be a lot more marked than this gen when it comes to games, simply because the architectures are pretty much the same but one is significantly faster and has more RAM than the other."

I'm not a programmer, but this articulates my thoughts quite well...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BroTsla on 11:53 PM - 05/22/13
Yes the PS4 will be able to play used games, but that doesn't mean it wont have a fee to do so. Just like Xbox One. For me personally it'll come down to what we learn at E3.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: attila4go on 01:32 AM - 05/23/13
Vote pls.

http://www.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/ (http://www.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ABigDeal on 02:46 AM - 05/23/13
Vote pls.

http://www.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/ (http://www.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/)


holy crap lol 89% ps4 11% xbox?

is this real life?



I was expecting these consoles to graphically beat the average gaming PC, at least for a year or so, the rendered videos that where shown are nothing really special.. i think im going to be sticking to PC for a good while now unless there are some juicey console only games that are xim friendly
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 04:03 AM - 05/23/13
XBOX as yet haven't really said much if anything about there online gaming features.
Where as PlayStation have.

And to be honest it sounds amazing.

The GDDR5 over GDDR3 for those wondering is purely for future support of 4K resolution panels.
Once again Sony pushing the boundaries "blu ray" which XBOX is now using.

In a nut shell GDDR5 will allow for more bandwidth when up scaling to 4k screen resolution?
They most certainly didn't just stick it in there for bragging rights.

As someone said in this thread earlier on though, XBOX has still got some punches to pull.
But as of right now, you would be stupid not to be enticed by PlayStation.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Bizzar1 on 07:30 AM - 05/23/13
I'm already sold on the X1 just due to the Tv part of it. No seriously. I ALREADY use my 360 to watch most TV shows with hulu, Xfinity, ESPN and Windows media center. My cable tv runs through my pc which is linked to my console and controlled with my windows remote via IR. For basic tv its with windows media through the console, the rest is all streamed over internet. Some of it comes in HD some not but watching movies is fantastic as well as my sports (nfl, nhra).

It will only get better with the next gen. Sony just isn't up the times with a "gaming" console. We as consumers want the added features of an all in one system. It just makes more sense. Look at cell phones for example. for years all they were meant for was making calls. Then text came along, internet and now gps, gaming, apps, notepads etc etc. Just as cellular phones have evolved so too will the home entertainment console. Once again sony is a step ahead in the hardware but a step behind in how to use it.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 07:56 AM - 05/23/13
I'm already sold on the X1 just due to the Tv part of it. No seriously. I ALREADY use my 360 to watch most TV shows with hulu, Xfinity, ESPN and Windows media center. My cable tv runs through my pc which is linked to my console and controlled with my windows remote via IR. For basic tv its with windows media through the console, the rest is all streamed over internet. Some of it comes in HD some not but watching movies is fantastic as well as my sports (nfl, nhra).

It will only get better with the next gen. Sony just isn't up the times with a "gaming" console. We as consumers want the added features of an all in one system. It just makes more sense. Look at cell phones for example. for years all they were meant for was making calls. Then text came along, internet and now gps, gaming, apps, notepads etc etc. Just as cellular phones have evolved so too will the home entertainment console. Once again sony is a step ahead in the hardware but a step behind in how to use it.


http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/05/22/how-playstation-already-did-tv-integration-right/

not forgetting it has app TV also including *to my UK knowledge some UK channels*
Netflix and the like..

whats your point?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Zacharybinx34 on 08:06 AM - 05/23/13
TV.... who under 30 watches TV any more?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ABigDeal on 08:13 AM - 05/23/13
Who under 30 watches the price is right?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 08:14 AM - 05/23/13
TV.... who under 30 watches TV any more?

I do not watch TV nightly, I've watched Breaking Bad recently about 3 to 4 months ago..
And The Walking Dead. I might catch the ODD* Britain's got talent bloopers on YouTube from time to time..

Only time i'll sit in front of that brain wash box, is to watch a film.
Which is maybe one a fortnight, *if* there is anything worth watching.

TV is for dem_sheep like my wife who watches all sorts of vampire @#$%.
Apparently that's as far as her imagination will allow, since she thinks she's Einstein watching Catch Phrase.

She gets mad when i walk past the TV and shout it out when there is only one block revealed.

TV Bahh
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 08:42 AM - 05/23/13
People don't "watch TV"... but they usually have a list of shows / events that they follow... Xbox is doing something interesting - their system is going to compete with roku/appletv/other streamers, while xboxlive is going to try to compete with hulu/netflix/etc... the problem is that these markets are already extremely competitive. Hulu does TV very well, Netflix does movies, it seems like xbox sees a need for "live TV / sports" and is trying to find a nitch there.... 

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 08:57 AM - 05/23/13
mist, it uses micron 2133mhz GDDR3. you can see it clear as day on wired's pictures. FWIW, the 2133mhz GDDR3 memory on my A10-5800k and 1/3rd of the horsepower the 7790 in the one has still pulls 90fps in world of tanks, and fraps / OBS's it at 60fps+. gddr3, its a smart move on microsoft's part. its cheap. 32mb of T6-sdram as an on-die. that's more than enough to contain 1080p 3D or 4K frame buffer. the exact same reason 360 crushed the ps3's performance in pretty much all games is back to close the memory bandwidth gap.

the GPU is 33% slower if they both run known clocks.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 10:06 AM - 05/23/13
Vote pls.

http://www.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/ (http://www.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/)


holy crap lol 89% ps4 11% xbox?

is this real life?

makes sense, i mean theres not a single point in which the xbox one outshines the ps4 right now

oh wait, there is - TV!


going to vote for ps4 now :)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Chance on 10:11 AM - 05/23/13
Vote pls.

http://www.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/ (http://www.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/)


holy crap lol 89% ps4 11% xbox?

is this real life?

makes sense, i mean theres not a single point in which the xbox one outshines the ps4 right now

oh wait, there is - TV!


going to vote for ps4 now :)

I'm with you Od1n, after over 10 years I'm back on Sony's side!  8)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 10:23 AM - 05/23/13
i always loved sony, most of my favorite games are all playstation exclusives

here another chart that shows how much the PS4 dominates over the Xbox ONE
everyone that wants to buy something future proof definitely shouldnt choose the xbox lmao

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BK8gzPkCEAABMgn.gif)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 10:26 AM - 05/23/13
System specs don't really matter.. all "big" games will be released for both systems... which means developers will use the lowest benchmarks (looking like the xboxone) to determine how far they can push.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: DrCube on 10:29 AM - 05/23/13
I agree with toys. People talking up the PS4's GDDR5 are overstating the benefits. I suppose it does provide some future proofing and developers will greedily consume the additional memory bandwidth but the XBOne won't be starved for memory bandwidth with its GDDR3. Hardware wise, the two are very much on an even playing field. The PS4's GPU has a little more oomph but it's not enough to be concerned about. Anandtech has a good overview of the chips: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4 (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4).

Barring a hardware issue like the 360's red ring of death or an idiotic pricing decision like the PS3 with its $599 debut, this fight is going to come down to software services, apps, features of the online platform (i.e. Live/PSN). It's a longshot but there is also the possibility that someone will figure out a killer app for Kinect. Microsoft can kill off the used game market if they do it like Valve did with their Steam service by having great sales but Microsoft is playing russian roulette with their entire Xbox division if they kill off used games AND keep the existing pricing model for console games.

Microsoft's XBOne's conference/announcement was the weaker of the two. They are too enamoured with TV which is a legacy and slowly fading tech in my opinion. Streaming, IPTV, watching video over the internet/netflix/youtube/twitch is what the younger generations are into.

As for myself, I will go with whatever platform has the largest, most active online player base and right now that is Xbox Live. Unless that changes and the majority of the people on my friends list jump to PSN, I will be saving up for an XBOne. I don't think I would buy either console on launch though. You're paying top dollar and the initial games will still be designed with the PS3/360 in mind. 2014 is when I plan to upgrade.

EDIT: One more thing. I won't be buying any of these consoles if they don't work with the XIM (current or future models).
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BionicTbag on 10:36 AM - 05/23/13
personally It would not be disappointing if PS4 is the clear winner... and we all say "GO FUCT YOURSELF MS" all at once!


unfortunately the one integrates with my PC...


Does the PS4 have a DVR?  The one does...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 10:40 AM - 05/23/13
Ill wait till the E3 and wait for more information about both consoles.

But it looks like MS is aiming for the casual market and PS4 more towards gamers.

What good is TV throughput if you still need a receiver (DVB-C or DVB-S) and need a second tv remote to switch channels. Why would I want to have 2 devices running when I only want to watch TV for a couple of hours? Unless its IPTV on Xbox One ofcourse, which will probably be only available in NA and its number of channels will be very low.

I can see how it benefits MS though to offer TV through-put- > they can put their own ads over the TV program using overlays.

And the other thing with Kinect 2.0- why would I have a device like that running all day, which probably consumes 5-10 Watt, only to tell it 1-5 times a day to switch to youtube or Twitch TV or something? Are ppl that lazy that they arent willing to press a couple of freaking buttons now and then? Ppl move less and less and get over the average size and now u want a device that follows your voice commands so u dont even have to move a finger?

Next thing with the used games fee rumour and probably allways on or 1x Day ON- if thats the case, I wont even consider the XO.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 10:47 AM - 05/23/13
System specs don't really matter.. all "big" games will be released for both systems... which means developers will use the lowest benchmarks (looking like the xboxone) to determine how far they can push.

i highly doubt that

on the current gen it was the case as ps3 and xbox where pretty much one and the same regarding their specs
but the difference now is huge

you can compare it to the ps2 vs xbox1 lots of years ago
pretty much any multiplatform title had a noticeable better gfx on xbox as it had much more power
timesplitters for example, the james bond titles and pretty much any other mutliplatform title too
even the game cube version had better gfx than the ps2 on the very same title
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 10:52 AM - 05/23/13
We're not talking big differences in the two systems.. a better (more modern) comparison would be xbox360 to PS3. Cross platform games look identical for the most part.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 10:57 AM - 05/23/13
That's the big question, why? MS has said a few times they want to be input 1 on the tv, an hdmi in to pass through cable and an onboard bluray player help make that a possibility. Ads could be one reason but I think it's more of remaining relevant, developing strong roots in the way people consume entertainment in an ever evolving world. If they can integrate xbox with tv and services like skype or interaction like we saw with fantasy football updates they might accomplish this. There is so much that integration could do that we haven't seen or thought about yet. It makes sense for them, it sucks for gamers who now have weaker hardware as a result but that brings up another question.

XB1 is supposed to become more powerful over time via offloading non essential tasks to the cloud. Are third party developers going to use this? Developers this gen would design for the easier system and then port over to the more difficult system. The ps3 was underutilized this gen because it's architecture was difficult. Is it going to be easy for devs to offload to the cloud, do they have an incentive, why would they do extra work for one platform. PC ports didn't even get proper aiming mechanics or graphic options this gen, why would they spend any amount of time figuring out this cloud tech when Sony will have a console that's straightforward and XB1 is as well.. without the cloud. MS is banking on this cloud tech for advancing the power of the xbox according to what we know as of now but I'm worried it won't be embraced because it's not a standard.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 11:10 AM - 05/23/13
cloud computing is more of a gimmick than it will really change anything. You have such a delay betw. commands beeing computed on the cloud and sent back. It will not change much if anything at all.

They use DDR3 or 5 ram with 100 something Gbit per second bandwith and a delay of couple of nanoseconds. And now u want to outsource tasks on the cloud computers which have delays of several hundreds milliseconds... ? Makes no big sense.

Well its understandable why MS offers HDMI throughput. They want ppl to have the Xbox turned on as often and as long as possible. This way ppl will more likely use another service by MS like Zune Store- streaming movies, music and tv shows. Its quite understandable. Also for the purpose of advertisement. They will allways find a way to sneak in some Ads popups or something like that.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 11:16 AM - 05/23/13
MS is banking on this cloud tech for advancing the power of the xbox according to what we know as of now but I'm worried it won't be embraced because it's not a standard.

and i doubt with all the people in the rural areas (i think a big part in the us can be put into this category) running on 1-3mbits connection this will ever play a big role
maybe an optional one for those with fast connections in the cities

and also, sonys gaikai looks like the better approach towards this stuff
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 11:17 AM - 05/23/13
Quote
XB1 is supposed to become more powerful over time via offloading non essential tasks to the cloud.

Sorry, what will they offload to the cloud? Maybe they want to offload the lag. Yeah that would be nice. Every time I am confronted with cloud I see this. They could also name it BAR.

(http://www.vbforums.com/attachment.php?s=aee46bd4f6616dcfa9476394d590f548&attachmentid=100217&d=1368698350)

Also Microsoft operating systems are known to be big, bulky, slow and very very badly organized.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 11:22 AM - 05/23/13
something i just research for those that always think xbox is dominating the market
overall sales per unit worldwide xbox vs ps3

PS3      77,200,439    units sold overall
X360    77,250,473    units sold overall

xbox in lead with 50k units, a draw regarding the 77 million
(wii on 100 million now)


PS3      127,649       units sold last week   
X360    92,388         units sold last week   

ps3 sold 45k more units last week which is almost half as much as xbox360



source:
http://www.vgchartz.com/charts/weekly.php?reg=date=41406
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 11:26 AM - 05/23/13
While Sony may have sold more than MS last week you should know that VGCharts is known in the industry as an inaccurate source of sales info. It's basically rough numbers for bloggers to "report" on.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 11:33 AM - 05/23/13
I don't think people believe that the xbox360 was dominating the ps3 in sales... but that they were dominating them in games...

Many of my non-gamer friends chose the PS3  (mostly cause the blueray / free live) while my gamer friends chose xbox because of the xboxlive community / competition

Check it out, MLG.com

10,070 XBOX360 BO2 teamladder teams
3,345 PS3 BO2 teamladder teams

This looks like it may turn around tho ......


Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 11:34 AM - 05/23/13
u should probably even extract a couple of millions from xbox sales, which were due to the old Xboxes getting a RROD after the warranty expired. And banned xboxes that had a flashed drive. (sony hardly ever banned ppl from PSN)

Matter fact is- MS is following the casual path and talking about cloud computing like its of any use which it isnt. It might be useful for long time researches like [email protected] or stuff like that, but not anything related to entertainment/games.

How are u gonna have stuff computed on the cloud, having a 3 mbit connection with 300ms ping..
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 11:37 AM - 05/23/13
Quote
due to the old Xboxes getting a RROD after the warranty expired

He has a point.

Quote
How are u gonna have stuff computed on the cloud, having a 3 mbit connection with 300ms ping..

http://pbskids.org/rogers/songLyricsLetsThinkOfSomethingToDo.html
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 11:38 AM - 05/23/13
I wonder what the new "texture pop in" will be this gen, for both platforms.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 11:41 AM - 05/23/13
whys everyone defending the xbox in there so much? :/


just imagine the cards would be the other way round, xbox one being much stronger than ps4
everyone in this forum then would start to scream "yeah, sony finally dead now" or "this will be their end"
everyone would already cream theirselves by all the opportunities the xbox has over the new ps4
how great the new gfx will be and by how much the xbox will outsell the ps4


but what you read instead here about the real situations
"oh well, xbox still might have something up on their sleve"
"the presentation was weak and the specs look moderate, but i still consider the xbox"
"i am a diehard gamer but yay, my favorite xbox turns into a multi device, i like how they took away the focus on games"
or my most favorite
"i like TV!"


i really dont get it
just by analyzing the currently known facts theres not a single reasonable point in heading for the xbox one
and dont tell me to wait on E3 now as all the posts within the last 2 days here only serve the purpose of expressing your current feelings with the given facts


honest question to all those xbox optimists:
what do you expect microsoft to come up with on E3 that can outshine all the pros that the ps4 has right now over the xbox one???
dont tell me you dont know as then all you are basing on is mere hope, showcasing that you personaly want the xbox to be the best console
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 11:42 AM - 05/23/13
I don't think anybody here is defending the xbox... Whichever system works best with xim3 will be my choice, everything else is just blah blah blah...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 11:44 AM - 05/23/13
I think I've read more people say they are switching to ps4, or whichever is xim compatible.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 11:44 AM - 05/23/13
Its hard to change and turn around opinion on a hardware. Right now Playstation is still the slower, worse graphics, always ported to, hard to program, less online experience device. 
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 11:45 AM - 05/23/13
I think I've read more people say they are switching to ps4, or whichever is xim compatible.

Now only Xbox 0.1 compatible to XIM would be a problem.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 11:51 AM - 05/23/13
I think I've read more people say they are switching to ps4, or whichever is xim compatible.

my general impression was the oppositite, but due two pretty busy days i couldnt read any post properly, might have taken a bad post choice when i skipped through the pages :)




@ souver

exactly my point
i mean what do you want to offload into a cloud when the general gamer runs on a 1-6mbits connection paired with a weak standard router that doesnt even max out the connection?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 12:00 PM - 05/23/13
Those pro xbox posts are there but as the dust settles I'm seeing people embracing the ps4.

I'll wait until we know more about them or play each to decide which will be my primary platform.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: DrCube on 12:01 PM - 05/23/13
I agree with both of drharney's last posts.

While hardware sales/install base seems to be even, the software sales are what matter and there is no question that Xbox titles are moving more units and have a higher sell through rate. Going by NPD's top 10 sales data, over the past few year end holidays, the PS3 software sales were getting utterly trounced by the number of copies the 360 was moving. It's a big reason why the 360 became the main target platform this generation. It's like compounding interest.

The cloud computing advantage that Microsoft has with their Azure technology/platform is also something that has been and will continue to be overlooked by the press and general consumers but I believe server side processing (i.e. offloading certain tasks to a data center) will become increasingly important as the years go by. Games will make use of it and online platforms like Live/PSN will be utterly dependent on it. You are absolutely nuts if you think a streaming service like Gaikai is in any way comparable to the flexibility and power of a more general purpose system like Azure, especially as Azure continues to evolve and mature. Microsoft is a technology company to a far greater degree than Sony is and this is one area that Microsoft has an overwhelming advantage. If games ever start making heavy use of it or become dependent on it (and I believe they will) there is no way for Sony to quickly catch up in this area.

All this being said, the majority of people seem to be leaning PS4 because of Microsoft's policy regarding used/borrowed games. Yes their heavy emphasis on TV didn't help them but the PS4 doesn't have much of a hardware advantage despite all the trumpeting of GDDR5. I think the real issue for people are the games and many many people avail themselves of used games. No used games is a real problem for MS if they decide to go ahead with it.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 12:01 PM - 05/23/13
the fact alone that after the xbox presentation ppl make weird GIFs, funny videos and meme pics (which I didnt see as many of after PS4 presentation) speaks volumes imo.

Im not trying to bash xbox, ive played 90% on xbox360 compared to ps3. But im not liking the direction microsoft is heading in.

Casualising the crap out of a gaming console. It didnt work with wii u and it probably wont work that good with xbox one. But I will wait for more informations before making final decision.

I too think the console with better xim functionality will be my favourite.

In all honesty I wish that sony wins this gen though, because MS is starting to monopolize and mannipulate gaming with their Dashboard full of Advertisement, movie and music offers etc. Its not good for the end user when a single company is ruling 1 specific thing not having a big competition. Sony has to get bigger this time for the sake of better games and services for us end users. Otherwise MS will do whatever they want and come up with stupid ideas and force them on ppl.

@Drcube- well doesnt help much when ISPs are so slow with upgrading their cables and cant offer a good internet line to ppl. Theres only so much u can compute through a 3 Mbit line or even 10 mbit, doesnt matter. 10 Mbit is like 1 MB per second. Its like a floppy disk speed or smth.

What would stop Microsoft from blocking used games completely if there wasnt another console that says "we wont block used games"? MS can do whatever they want if the competition wont be strong.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 12:13 PM - 05/23/13
Uhmm no, I waited ages for that floppy after load ,8,1 :D
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Xog on 12:14 PM - 05/23/13
I'm actually in favor of microsoft casualizing gaming on xbox. Lol console games amirite?

@ od1n, i personally can't wait to utilize the xbox's TV features

@od1n cloud computing offers so much expansion!!

@od1n skype + OLED wallpaper!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: DrCube on 12:20 PM - 05/23/13
the fact alone that after the xbox presentation ppl make weird GIFs, funny videos and meme pics (which I didnt see as many of after PS4 presentation) speaks volumes imo.

There's a lot of little negative things that they've done that are rubbing the "core" gamer (i.e. people that take the time to watch shows like E3 and then post mocking GIFs about it on neogaf) the wrong way but the general/wider consumer audience probably doesn't know or care.

Im not trying to bash xbox, ive played 90% on xbox360 compared to ps3. But im not liking the direction microsoft is heading in.

Casualising the crap out of a gaming console. It didnt work with wii u and it probably wont work that good with xbox one. But I will wait for more informations before making final decision.

They talk about TV and Kinect and that gives the perception of appealing to casuals but the processing power for traditional "hard core" games is still there. They do want to appeal to a bigger audience since Nintendo got away with it and it paid off handsomely so Microsoft's PR strategy is not going to make the next Halo or Call of Duty the centerpiece of their marketing efforts. Yes, they will still feature in ads and Microsoft will write big checks to fund 343i's next Halo game and send bags of cash to Activison to ensure CoD DLC remains a timed exclusive but AAA games are now just one tentacle/direction in their strategy. The simplicity of the PS2 era is over.

I think the bottom line is going to boil down to the multiplayer/online base. The console that has the larger, more active online population is going to win and be more profitable. Wider appeal is essential for that. If a really cool kids game becomes a hit then that's gold for Microsoft; even better if it's a Kinect game which I still believe has major potential.

I too think the console with better xim functionality will be my favourite.

In all honesty I wish that sony wins this gen though, because MS is starting to monopolize and mannipulate gaming with their Dashboard full of Advertisement, movie and music offers etc. Its not good for the end user when a single company is ruling 1 specific thing not having a big competition. Sony has to get bigger this time for the sake of better games and services for us end users. Otherwise MS will do whatever they want and come up with stupid ideas and force them on ppl.

Stuff like the ads is obnoxious but my bigger gripe with them is how they haven't pushed any major upgrades to Live in years. For the past 2 or 3 years all they have really done is dicked around with the user interface. We've seen the debut of some apps like the Netflix app or Hulu app which see some use but I am looking for some more community oriented and gaming features like a Steam Groups feature, twitch.tv streaming support. We did kind of/sorta get cloud saves but I am expecting a lot more. I think they decided to save all major new features for the next generation version of Xbox Live which will, predictably, only be available when using an XBOne.

Edit: One more thing. You want Sony to act as a counterbalance for Microsoft's growing influence. Sony isn't who Microsoft is really worried about. The mobile market (tablets and smartphones) and any future products from Apple is what really has both Sony and Microsoft looking over their shoulders. The growing mobile market threatens to eventually obsolete consoles entirely. Cloud computing too if we woke up one day and all had fiber optic internet service.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 12:23 PM - 05/23/13
Stuff like the ads is obnoxious but my bigger gripe with them is how they haven't pushed any major upgrades to Live in years. For the past 2 or 3 years all they have really done is dicked around with the user interface. We've seen the debut of some apps like the Netflix app or Hulu app which see some use but I am looking for some more community oriented and gaming features like a Steam Groups feature, twitch.tv streaming support. We did kind of/sorta get cloud saves but I am expecting a lot more. I think they decided to save all major new features for the next generation version of Xbox Live which will, predictably, only be available when using an XBOne.

Agree on this, there is a Twitch App though, as far as I can tell u can download it with a US account on XBL. With my euro account I didnt even find it under apps.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 12:27 PM - 05/23/13
i mean what do you want to offload into a cloud when the general gamer runs on a 1-6mbits connection paired with a weak standard router that doesnt even max out the connection?

When deciding which console to get you decide based on YOUR situation.  Who cares if Mike down the street has a 1mbit connection and will struggle with the cloud @#$%...  my connection will handle it just fine.  Why use somebody else's substandard situation as a reason why the console won't work for YOU?


Casualising the crap out of a gaming console.

To be fair, the Xbox One is not a simply a "gaming console"...  it's more of a "home entertainment console" and is being marketed as such.  The vast majority of people playing console games are CASUAL gamers, thus "casualising" a console is actually probably a good thing. 

When I think about my IRL friends that play video games, I honestly think every one of them would welcome the new Xbox One features.  Hell, a good number of them already use Netflix on Xbox as their only means for watching TV.  None of them are hardcore gamers, they're social gamers.  They don't care about graphics, type of RAM, processing power, use of a cloud, etc.  They just want to be able to sit down and shoot the @#$% with friends at the push of a button.  That's the type of crowd that Xbox One is geared towards, and there are WAAAAAY more of them than there are us.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 12:33 PM - 05/23/13
Yeah that wont work. My XBMC that never had something to do with an uncracked Xbox system is much better than the Xbox can ever do movies. My dreambox/Vu+ will will never surpassed by the Xbox.
They go for the $, they want it from the movies, from tele and from used games. There lies the error and the fail.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Beezles on 01:14 PM - 05/23/13
To be fair, the Xbox One is not a simply a "gaming console"...  it's more of a "home entertainment console" and is being marketed as such.  The vast majority of people playing console games are CASUAL gamers, thus "casualising" a console is actually probably a good thing. 

this worries me the most.  The reason xbox became so popular was because of the hardcore gamers.  Now they're just trying to push them to the side for the money-grabbing larger audience (which is understandable as a business model).  But still, to not acknowledge the community that put you where you are today, might turn around and bite you in the butt.

Again.... E3... but microsoft has some catching up to do....
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: GreyMouser on 01:21 PM - 05/23/13
My XBMC that never had something to do with an uncracked Xbox system is much better than the Xbox can ever do movies.

WAT! (link) (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/modding-xbox-ultimate-multimedia-center,807.html)

just teasing ;). (I also just got an Android stick with XBMC on it. Great stuff).

I also have a game-playing media center right now called a PC, LOL. With a TV tuner, I got a DVR on top of it.

Back on topic. I think I'll just wait it out a year to see which console my buddies buy. That's my personal decision maker. At this moment, I'm undecided (as are they).
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: asilver on 01:40 PM - 05/23/13
The only reason I ever bought a xbox360 is b/c of xim3... Other than that it's a DVD player.

I wont buy a next gen until I know I'll get some use out of it.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: lilgreaze on 01:52 PM - 05/23/13
i don't see why you would get an xbox1 and pay for live for stuff like tv, skype, etc.  personally i have an old laptop that's connected to my tv at all times to use for netflix/youtube/anything over the network.  the only time i've ever used a tv app on my 360 was to have an extra baseball game up on another tv (MLB.tv premium, streaming 4 games on my laptop on the main tv, local broadcast on another and one more on my xbox+monitor  :))

with the 360 it's still much slower changing apps than alt+tabbing/opening a new tab in firefox.  isn't it easier to just keep a bluetooth mouse and keyboard near your couch and have the full functionality of a PC?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: HolyFenix on 01:54 PM - 05/23/13
To be fair, the Xbox One is not a simply a "gaming console"...  it's more of a "home entertainment console" and is being marketed as such.  The vast majority of people playing console games are CASUAL gamers, thus "casualising" a console is actually probably a good thing. 


this worries me the most.  The reason xbox became so popular was because of the hardcore gamers.  Now they're just trying to push them to the side for the money-grabbing larger audience (which is understandable as a business model).  But still, to not acknowledge the community that put you where you are today, might turn around and bite you in the butt.

Again.... E3... but microsoft has some catching up to do....

"Hardcore" gamers is a bit of a joke in my mind when it comes to console games. Especially shooters. Think about how many of us completely dominate most pub matches. I know there are better pad players out there than me at games like Call of Duty but not many.

Let me weave you a story. Some of the best COD players on xbox are on this forum. 1v1 they would probably smash on 99.999999999999% of pad players. Team games are even worse for the pads. Now I know my rank when I was playing a lot of BO2 was in the 500k in pub matches. Now how many of those people that were ranked better than me were xim players? probably around 1000 or so maybe more maybe less. Now I don't consider myself a hardcore gamer by any means. If I did I would spend way more time playing. Join a clan, and try to go pro. If you consider yourself a "hardcore Gamer" and you are worse than me you need a new hobby. Now I think MS is making the right call here even if all these internet trolls don't see it. This console will appeal to people like me and people worse than me perfectly. As long as they keep a stream of relatively good games coming people will buy the One and Live just like they did 360. At this point its going to come down to which is cheaper, and who has the better E3 performance/ as well as best launch titles.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 01:56 PM - 05/23/13
Some of the best COD players on xbox are on this forum.

hahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahaha.. yeah right. not even close. ximmers have such delusions of grandeur... I blame pubs, they inflate your heads.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Beezles on 01:59 PM - 05/23/13
"Hardcore" gamers is a bit of a joke in my mind when it comes to console games. Especially shooters. Think about how many of us completely dominate most pub matches. I know there are better pad players out there than me at games like Call of Duty but not many.

Depends on your definition of hardcore gamer, mind you - i didn't say pro-gamer.  I define a hardcore gamer as someone who plays video games as their main hobby.  They don't necessarily have to be great at what they do, but enjoy doing it and play it a lot.  Doesn't matter about what game, just any game in general.  While most of us love shooters, there are other games we enjoy playing (trials, assassins creed, fez, etc.).
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: HolyFenix on 02:02 PM - 05/23/13
Some of the best COD players on xbox are on this forum.

hahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahaha.. yeah right. not even close. ximmers have such delusions of grandeur... I blame pubs, they inflate your heads.
I stand by what I said. Maybe they don't post as much anymore but they are still around.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 02:03 PM - 05/23/13
i mean what do you want to offload into a cloud when the general gamer runs on a 1-6mbits connection paired with a weak standard router that doesnt even max out the connection?

When deciding which console to get you decide based on YOUR situation.  Who cares if Mike down the street has a 1mbit connection and will struggle with the cloud @#$%...  my connection will handle it just fine.  Why use somebody else's substandard situation as a reason why the console won't work for YOU?

did you actually read what i wrote?!
when did i write my situation lol

so you dont care about the people with the weaker connections just because you have such a great connection right?

then lets face the facts
vast majority of people with weak connection not benefiting from cloud surely is a great basis to market that gadget
lets not care about the other people, lets be egoistic cause microsoft only cares for the individuum as thats where you make the money lol


like any big company like EA will ever consider to offload huge amounts of data into a clould when they know the basis of their customers will never be able to use it properly due to connection problems

at best it will be an option to use, but never be compulsory cause then you start to divide the market, which means huge money lose
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: HolyFenix on 02:05 PM - 05/23/13
i mean what do you want to offload into a cloud when the general gamer runs on a 1-6mbits connection paired with a weak standard router that doesnt even max out the connection?

When deciding which console to get you decide based on YOUR situation.  Who cares if Mike down the street has a 1mbit connection and will struggle with the cloud @#$%...  my connection will handle it just fine.  Why use somebody else's substandard situation as a reason why the console won't work for YOU?

so you dont care about the people with the weaker connections just because you have such a great connection right?


Pretty much sums up my opinion of other people. Its like if I were to car that other people don't have as nice of a car or house as me. Should I downgrade myself because of their misfortune?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 02:08 PM - 05/23/13
i mean what do you want to offload into a cloud when the general gamer runs on a 1-6mbits connection paired with a weak standard router that doesnt even max out the connection?

When deciding which console to get you decide based on YOUR situation.  Who cares if Mike down the street has a 1mbit connection and will struggle with the cloud @#$%...  my connection will handle it just fine.  Why use somebody else's substandard situation as a reason why the console won't work for YOU?

so you dont care about the people with the weaker connections just because you have such a great connection right?


Pretty much sums up my opinion of other people. Its like if I were to car that other people don't have as nice of a car or house as me. Should I downgrade myself because of their misfortune?

different pair of shoes

xbox is carried by the mass, it will flop with a low community offering services only to the people with special access to internet and stuff

cars instead are independant units, you are not dependant on what the others have or use


so you definitely should care about what move the mass will do to have a great experience
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 02:11 PM - 05/23/13
Fenix, go ahead. But its not the truth. Are you referring to shadow and his crew? They are good, but his crew is 75% controller players. He would agree with me. My crew is over 50% controller players. Why? because people here on the xim forums would get destroyed by them. I've tried picking up people here and very few have panned out. I would put the average COD ximmer above the average pub player... but better than only about 70% of controller players. Your saying they are top 99%.... Again, delusions of grandeur.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 02:18 PM - 05/23/13
it will flop with a low community offering services only to the people with special access to internet and stuff

You're make assumptions as to what the extent of the bandwidth usage is really going to be.  You're also making assumptions that the average person in the market for a new console has internet specs that are below that assumed number.

You say people here are making up reasons to like the Xbox, but it looks like you're making up reasons to hate the Xbox.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: HolyFenix on 02:20 PM - 05/23/13
Fenix, go ahead. But its not the truth. Are you referring to shadow and his crew? They are good, but his crew is 75% controller players. He would agree with me. My crew is over 50% controller players. Why? because people here on the xim forums would get destroyed by them. I've tried picking up people here and very few have panned out. I would put the average COD ximmer above the average pub player... but better than only about 70% of controller players. Your saying they are top 99%.... Again, delusions of grandeur.

I said some of the best. Not the whole forum. I've seen some amazing play by some of the people on here. Including in tourney matches. Probably about 1% of this forum is all I am talking about.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: glenn37216 on 02:23 PM - 05/23/13
   Although I'm admiting I'll buy the new Box I definately will be purchasing a couple of PS4's for me and my teenage'd kids. Usually, this is the other way around for my family with new console launches.

        I'm really disturbed about how MS failed to consider the mainstream hard core gamers who want just a console that is beastly powerful , plays with this gen graphics and beyond and above all .. IS portable friendly.  Every lan I've ever been to has always had the players packed in to a$$holes and elbows. I can't fathom how difficult it would be to carry that behemoth to a lan or to your friends house next door. .... The wired controler ports are in the back? @#$% !

    According to one of the XB reps there will be only one SKU. For the life of me I can't understand the reason in not making a smaller.. stripped down version of the ONE for the gamers who just want the core and not the included TV crap. Don't get me wrong .. I'm not taking sides but if SONY uses E3 to take advantage of everything the ONE  is now.

 If the PS4 is smaller , more powerful ... games are PRIORITY ONE.. no bloatware... the ablility to play used games with no fee.. they will bury MS in the next gen console wars.
 Honestly, it's like the original XBOX team has finally grown up and became lazy. I can switch between my cable and my console right now just fine with a remote...
......who really gives a rats arse about fantasy leaugues on consoles when you have the portability of your smartphone? 

Sure I'll buy the ONE .. like I said .
But for me, 2014 looks promising for the ps4 to rise up and dominate the lan events I go to annually.  :o
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Foxtrot4u on 02:25 PM - 05/23/13
Threeve. combination of three and five.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 02:53 PM - 05/23/13
it will flop with a low community offering services only to the people with special access to internet and stuff

You're make assumptions as to what the extent of the bandwidth usage is really going to be.  You're also making assumptions that the average person in the market for a new console has internet specs that are below that assumed number.

You say people here are making up reasons to like the Xbox, but it looks like you're making up reasons to hate the Xbox.

do you want to tell me broadband companies are going to get vibre optic to 2000 people towns?
do you know how much towns there are in the US and any other country with less than 5000 people?
even in the bigger or big cities there are lots of areas limited to 6mbits or 16mbits max
my comment doesnt base on assumptions, there are lots of pages for countries that showcase you the maximum potential internet connection in your country, expand your hoizon

germany probably is one of the industrial countries pushing the most in connectivity, yet it looks bad when going above 6mbits or 16mbits
those are the max connections, ofc not everyone runs on his/her max connection!

http://www.zukunft-breitband.de/DE/Breitbandatlas/breitband-vor-ort.html




i highly doubt a 16mbits connection is sufficient to benefit from those cloud offloading
i mean they are talking about noticeable performance increasements


and yes i hate on the xbox, because im angry on how much microsoft has @#$% it up
so much years, so much potential ways, and they took the worst a company in their situation could do
how could i not hate lol
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 02:57 PM - 05/23/13
Aaron Greenberg answering tough questions on GTR

http://www.gamertagradio.com/new/2013/05/episode-385-podcast-exclusive-aaron-greenberg-on-xbox-one/
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BroTsla on 03:08 PM - 05/23/13
Again I don't care about the platform, something tells me they're gonna be similar. It'll come down to the games, which is why I choose an Xbox in the first place.

Xbox360 = Number of games: 952 Console exclusive 78
PS3 = Number of games: 772 Console exclusive: 8

If the PS4 is the same way, I can't see myself picking one up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Mamba on 03:24 PM - 05/23/13
Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember when the specs for PS3 and 360 first came out, everything I saw said that PS3 was more powerful and because of that was going to dominate this generation.

But that didn't happen, that tells me that the raw power of the machine isn't what makes people purchase it.

For over 8 years I have gamed with basically the same group of guys on xbox, won actual tournaments with my clan on xbox, and we are all going to get the next xbox because that is just where we play. We don't game on playstation, we have always gamed on xbox. And I think a lot of people(maybe not here) will make their purchasing decision the same way. Brand loyalty is a huge thing, how many people have used the same brand of toothpaste their whole life? I'm guessing most of you.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: glenn37216 on 03:35 PM - 05/23/13
I'm sorry but you sound very shallow. ^ I choose not by name but instead by substance.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Mamba on 04:28 PM - 05/23/13
Shallow? Sorry you misinterpret.

It's not that I buy something because its popular, I buy it because its comfortable and what I've always used(just like most people). I buy Nike running shoes because I have used their brand my whole life, reebok could be better but I know Nike and trust their product. Who doesn't do that?

But I say again I'll get the next Xbox over the ps4 because that's what everyone I've played with forever will get and I enjoy playing with friends. I am not someone who cares if each blade of grass is rendered perfectly and looks marginally better than another version. Some people care about that and they can get a ps4. It's all about choice and going with what is best for you.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 04:55 PM - 05/23/13
The whole thng sounds kind of illogical the way you are explaining it. You bassically make purchases off of tradition.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Mamba on 05:07 PM - 05/23/13
Not tradition. When a company produces products you like, enjoy, and trust then you keep purchasing from that company until you no longer enjoy their products or you feel you aren't getting value for your money.  You know they produce quality and as consumers that's what most people want.

I really can't make it any clearer than that. If you don't understand it I'm sorry and we can drop it(don't want this topic to go off the rails)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PhilAshio on 05:18 PM - 05/23/13
Personally, I don't trust cloud gaming. Didn't Microsoft have a whole month where they had trouble with their servers. I lost a bunch of saves because of that. Plus, until you have quantum entanglement based internets there is going to be latency. Is it enough to close the gap between PS4's native hardware advantage and Xbox 1? Will every developer make use of it? When will it start getting implemented. Who says Sony can't implement their own cloud method on top of their existing hardware advantage by that time. The cloud argument in defense of PS4's advantage sounds like grasping at straws.

As far as going for the casual/tv market. That's a huge gamble as Sony learned. Especially when that tech is so competitive and fast changing. PS2 sold a great deal in part due to it being a cheap DVD player. PS3 flopped initially because Sony thought they could repeat that same success except PS3 wasn't cheap and Blu-ray wasn't anywhere as big of a deal as DVD's thanks to Netflix. Microsoft are counting on replacing set-top boxes but streaming services are still so much more convenient. Which they themselves should have known. Sony took the far safer road to success and they will be successful. Microsoft chucked the bird in their hand and belly flopped in the bush. Whether that'll work out for them remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 08:51 PM - 05/23/13
BroTsla, go back and re-read the wiki you quoted and consider your folly...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 09:38 PM - 05/23/13
xbox live > pso
XBL playerbase > pso playerbase
xbox dashboards > ps dashboards
xbox content > ps content
MS patents > Sony patents (xbox 360 supported IPTV natively like four years ago)
MS's xbox support > PS's ps support
developer support on xbox > dev support on ps
xbox sales in NA > ps sales in NA
xbo's APU is based on a more power efficient card

what advantage does xbox not have??? 33% less gpu power? big @#$% deal? it had LESS gpu power THIS GEN and still stomped the @#$% out of the ps's frame rates because sony was short sided. and let's not forget the second massive problem PS has. both systems had 512mb of memory, but sony illogically locked exactly half of it to the graphics card and half to system memory. dev's ran out of memory a year into the product cycle VS both xbox and xbox 360 they could shuffle the memory around all they wanted. microsoft learned that lesson BEFORE they released the original xbox and touted it as such at that time. sony still many NOT have learned that lesson after a decade and a half!


without a big overclock, no it wont be better FPS, but here's the kicker short sided asshats don't get.... the hardware will already push every game out there at 1080p60fps. i know. i just built a similar system a few months ago with an A10-5800K that has exactly half the GPU power the xbox one's stand-alone GPU has.... i play everything at 1080p60 and stream everything at 720p30/60 depending on the game.

ill take my always on, never hacked, never down for an hour per year, bigger playerbase XBL with a company that has a track record of being the leader in adding features in a timely manner every 6 months. not go a year and a half between "major" dashboard updates. lol
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PhilAshio on 10:17 PM - 05/23/13
ROFL!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 11:50 PM - 05/23/13
Toys - since this gen both boxes are playing in the same proverbial sandbox (unlike last gen where Sony clearly played its cards wrong), which hardware would you rather have? 
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RoskaL on 12:17 AM - 05/24/13
can i ask what it matters about the hardware? u want hardware get a pc, fact is theyre both designed to play pretty much the same games at specific constant fps, the only difference in deciding should be things like what it looks like, the controllers and the dashboard and other fancy features
theyre both gunna be faster than what we have now, theyll both play the games as intended and theyll both cause complete frustration
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:22 AM - 05/24/13
My educated guess is Tanks will be Xbox exclusive, Toys knows from Ninja, and that is why you will see him on the ONE.

A bad move is also the big brother Kinect that is always on. People will not like the feeling doing nasty stuff while watched by the cams.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Zacharybinx34 on 05:52 AM - 05/24/13
MS is a better company than sony - but every company eventually jumps the shark.

MS just did.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 06:05 AM - 05/24/13
Yeah I enjoy M$ since Win 3.1 worst firm that had lucky monopole I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PhilAshio on 07:39 AM - 05/24/13
can i ask what it matters about the hardware? u want hardware get a pc, fact is theyre both designed to play pretty much the same games at specific constant fps, the only difference in deciding should be things like what it looks like, the controllers and the dashboard and other fancy features
theyre both gunna be faster than what we have now, theyll both play the games as intended and theyll both cause complete frustration

Here's another fact. Console cycle changes are hinged on more powerful hardware or what's the point of having new hardware? So why shouldn't I get the most powerful hardware in the category for the money? Guess what, not everybody can justify paying $2000 for a PC that's outdated in two years just to play games or wants the hassle that comes with PCs.

I remember five years ago the consensus on these forums being that most people got an Xbox and a Xim because you were basically getting the PC experience at such a greater value that the sacrifices were worth it. Back then 360 being more powerful than PS3 was a big deal and it wasn't even as much more powerful as the PS4 is than Xbox 1. Then two years ago consoles had fallen so far behind that everybody started flooding back to PC. Now we're at a point where consoles are again going to have the value advantage. If PC gamers start coming back to consoles why would they want to go back to a considerably weaker @#$% console?

The "it don matta 'cause is all 1080ps 60 fpses" statement is either outright retarded or disingenuous bull @#$% because that's not even close to being the whole story. Also, did you just say power doesn't matter but what matters is what the @#$% box looks like!? Seriously!? Reeeeeealy!?!? ROFLMOA!

Then you go on to say that fancy gimmicks are more important than power, dashboard which isn't going to effect gameplay and that you'll rarely even see if you mostly use consoles for games is more important. I mean... WOW! At least the controller part is valid but you are aware what site you are on right?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RoskaL on 08:27 AM - 05/24/13
can i ask what it matters about the hardware? u want hardware get a pc, fact is theyre both designed to play pretty much the same games at specific constant fps, the only difference in deciding should be things like what it looks like, the controllers and the dashboard and other fancy features
theyre both gunna be faster than what we have now, theyll both play the games as intended and theyll both cause complete frustration

Here's another fact. Console cycle changes are hinged on more powerful hardware or what's the point of having new hardware? So why shouldn't I get the most powerful hardware in the category for the money? Guess what, not everybody can justify paying $2000 for a PC that's outdated in two years just to play games or wants the hassle that comes with PCs.

I remember five years ago the consensus on these forums being that most people got an Xbox and a Xim because you were basically getting the PC experience at such a greater value that the sacrifices were worth it. Back then 360 being more powerful than PS3 was a big deal and it wasn't even as much more powerful as the PS4 is than Xbox 1. Then two years ago consoles had fallen so far behind that everybody started flooding back to PC. Now we're at a point where consoles are again going to have the value advantage. If PC gamers start coming back to consoles why would they want to go back to a considerably weaker @#$% console?

The "it don matta 'cause is all 1080ps 60 fpses" statement is either outright retarded or disingenuous bull @#$% because that's not even close to being the whole story. Also, did you just say power doesn't matter but what matters is what the @#$% box looks like!? Seriously!? Reeeeeealy!?!? ROFLMOA!

Then you go on to say that fancy gimmicks are more important than power, dashboard which isn't going to effect gameplay and that you'll rarely even see if you mostly use consoles for games is more important. I mean... WOW! At least the controller part is valid but you are aware what site you are on right?

Yeh the console cycle being roughly 10 years I should hope the hardware improves for the new tech, I'm saying they're pretty evenly matched so why does it matter about which one can benchmark abit more? You will still be playing the same games on either console, I have never seen a ps3 have any extra games that have even mildly better gfx than a 360 even though its better specced,
What are you expecting from it? Your not playing PC games which is where hardware actually makes a difference being able to adjust the gfx
So it basically comes down to the preference of thing like that. I hate Sony's dashboard and its controller is dick so is there online community compared to the 360
But @#$% it, ps3 had better hardware it could play better games (but it doesn't) your crap about having the best hardware is invalid seeing as they're closely matched mr selfPhilAshio
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 08:36 AM - 05/24/13
roskal why dont you just read what phil writes lol?

ps3 - xbox360 comparisons in terms of specs do suck as ps3 clearly had the much more challenging way to programm
barely any dev took the challenge cause of the massive work it required, therefore you never really saw a game that showcases the difference


but now ps4 and xbox one are pretty much one and the same in those terms, your comparison doesnt make sense at all
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RoskaL on 08:42 AM - 05/24/13
roskal why dont you just read what phil writes lol?

ps3 - xbox360 comparisons in terms of specs do suck as ps3 clearly had the much more challenging way to programm
barely any dev took the challenge cause of the massive work it required, therefore you never really saw a game that showcases the difference


but now ps4 and xbox one are pretty much one and the same in those terms, your comparison doesnt make sense at all

Because its bloody long on the phone and I couldn't be passed to read the second bit xD
I just have though would like to retract what I said, well some of it
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PhilAshio on 08:44 AM - 05/24/13
can i ask what it matters about the hardware? u want hardware get a pc, fact is theyre both designed to play pretty much the same games at specific constant fps, the only difference in deciding should be things like what it looks like, the controllers and the dashboard and other fancy features
theyre both gunna be faster than what we have now, theyll both play the games as intended and theyll both cause complete frustration

Here's another fact. Console cycle changes are hinged on more powerful hardware or what's the point of having new hardware? So why shouldn't I get the most powerful hardware in the category for the money? Guess what, not everybody can justify paying $2000 for a PC that's outdated in two years just to play games or wants the hassle that comes with PCs.

I remember five years ago the consensus on these forums being that most people got an Xbox and a Xim because you were basically getting the PC experience at such a greater value that the sacrifices were worth it. Back then 360 being more powerful than PS3 was a big deal and it wasn't even as much more powerful as the PS4 is than Xbox 1. Then two years ago consoles had fallen so far behind that everybody started flooding back to PC. Now we're at a point where consoles are again going to have the value advantage. If PC gamers start coming back to consoles why would they want to go back to a considerably weaker @#$% console?

The "it don matta 'cause is all 1080ps 60 fpses" statement is either outright retarded or disingenuous bull @#$% because that's not even close to being the whole story. Also, did you just say power doesn't matter but what matters is what the @#$% box looks like!? Seriously!? Reeeeeealy!?!? ROFLMOA!

Then you go on to say that fancy gimmicks are more important than power, dashboard which isn't going to effect gameplay and that you'll rarely even see if you mostly use consoles for games is more important. I mean... WOW! At least the controller part is valid but you are aware what site you are on right?

Yeh the console cycle being roughly 10 years I should hope the hardware improves for the new tech, I'm saying they're pretty evenly matched so why does it matter about which one can benchmark abit more? You will still be playing the same games on either console, I have never seen a ps3 have any extra games that have even mildly better gfx than a 360 even though its better specced,
What are you expecting from it? Your not playing PC games which is where hardware actually makes a difference being able to adjust the gfx
So it basically comes down to the preference of thing like that. I hate Sony's dashboard and its controller is dick so is there online community compared to the 360
But @#$% it, ps3 had better hardware it could play better games (but it doesn't) your crap about having the best hardware is invalid seeing as they're closely matched mr selfPhilAshio


ROFL, that's a good one. Much applause.

PS3 isn't better than 360. From what I've read it has a slightly better CPU but slightly worse GPU. Even with it's minor advantage (up until recently at least) 360 versions of games, especially COD, usually looked and ran noticeably better on 360. 50% more powerful GPU isn't a minor advantage and it's not pretty much evenly matched. You might be playing the same game but that doesn't mean you're having the same experience.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RoskaL on 08:49 AM - 05/24/13
can i ask what it matters about the hardware? u want hardware get a pc, fact is theyre both designed to play pretty much the same games at specific constant fps, the only difference in deciding should be things like what it looks like, the controllers and the dashboard and other fancy features
theyre both gunna be faster than what we have now, theyll both play the games as intended and theyll both cause complete frustration

Here's another fact. Console cycle changes are hinged on more powerful hardware or what's the point of having new hardware? So why shouldn't I get the most powerful hardware in the category for the money? Guess what, not everybody can justify paying $2000 for a PC that's outdated in two years just to play games or wants the hassle that comes with PCs.

I remember five years ago the consensus on these forums being that most people got an Xbox and a Xim because you were basically getting the PC experience at such a greater value that the sacrifices were worth it. Back then 360 being more powerful than PS3 was a big deal and it wasn't even as much more powerful as the PS4 is than Xbox 1. Then two years ago consoles had fallen so far behind that everybody started flooding back to PC. Now we're at a point where consoles are again going to have the value advantage. If PC gamers start coming back to consoles why would they want to go back to a considerably weaker @#$% console?

The "it don matta 'cause is all 1080ps 60 fpses" statement is either outright retarded or disingenuous bull @#$% because that's not even close to being the whole story. Also, did you just say power doesn't matter but what matters is what the @#$% box looks like!? Seriously!? Reeeeeealy!?!? ROFLMOA!

Then you go on to say that fancy gimmicks are more important than power, dashboard which isn't going to effect gameplay and that you'll rarely even see if you mostly use consoles for games is more important. I mean... WOW! At least the controller part is valid but you are aware what site you are on right?

Yeh the console cycle being roughly 10 years I should hope the hardware improves for the new tech, I'm saying they're pretty evenly matched so why does it matter about which one can benchmark abit more? You will still be playing the same games on either console, I have never seen a ps3 have any extra games that have even mildly better gfx than a 360 even though its better specced,
What are you expecting from it? Your not playing PC games which is where hardware actually makes a difference being able to adjust the gfx
So it basically comes down to the preference of thing like that. I hate Sony's dashboard and its controller is dick so is there online community compared to the 360
But @#$% it, ps3 had better hardware it could play better games (but it doesn't) your crap about having the best hardware is invalid seeing as they're closely matched mr selfPhilAshio


ROFL, that's a good one. Much applause.

PS3 isn't better than 360. From what I've read it has a slightly better CPU but slightly worse GPU. Even with it's minor advantage (up until recently at least) 360 versions of games, especially COD, usually looked and ran noticeably better on 360. 50% more powerful GPU isn't a minor advantage and it's not pretty much evenly matched. You might be playing the same game but that doesn't mean you're having the same experience.

So playing cod on the PlayStation will be different? Playing FIFA will be different? The only difference is the out of game stuff like the controller/ dashboard and how you communicate in game

I'd have thought people realize its not all about power. Look atacs v pc . macs aren't as powerful as most PCs but they're rapid in comparison
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 08:53 AM - 05/24/13
roskal why dont you just read what phil writes lol?

ps3 - xbox360 comparisons in terms of specs do suck as ps3 clearly had the much more challenging way to programm
barely any dev took the challenge cause of the massive work it required, therefore you never really saw a game that showcases the difference


but now ps4 and xbox one are pretty much one and the same in those terms, your comparison doesnt make sense at all

I think Ninja would disagree with you in terms of which is easier to dev on ... and since he's in the field where there's actual hand's-on time with the XB1 and PS4 I think there's some credibility to his claim.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PhilAshio on 08:55 AM - 05/24/13
can i ask what it matters about the hardware? u want hardware get a pc, fact is theyre both designed to play pretty much the same games at specific constant fps, the only difference in deciding should be things like what it looks like, the controllers and the dashboard and other fancy features
theyre both gunna be faster than what we have now, theyll both play the games as intended and theyll both cause complete frustration

Here's another fact. Console cycle changes are hinged on more powerful hardware or what's the point of having new hardware? So why shouldn't I get the most powerful hardware in the category for the money? Guess what, not everybody can justify paying $2000 for a PC that's outdated in two years just to play games or wants the hassle that comes with PCs.

I remember five years ago the consensus on these forums being that most people got an Xbox and a Xim because you were basically getting the PC experience at such a greater value that the sacrifices were worth it. Back then 360 being more powerful than PS3 was a big deal and it wasn't even as much more powerful as the PS4 is than Xbox 1. Then two years ago consoles had fallen so far behind that everybody started flooding back to PC. Now we're at a point where consoles are again going to have the value advantage. If PC gamers start coming back to consoles why would they want to go back to a considerably weaker @#$% console?

The "it don matta 'cause is all 1080ps 60 fpses" statement is either outright retarded or disingenuous bull @#$% because that's not even close to being the whole story. Also, did you just say power doesn't matter but what matters is what the @#$% box looks like!? Seriously!? Reeeeeealy!?!? ROFLMOA!

Then you go on to say that fancy gimmicks are more important than power, dashboard which isn't going to effect gameplay and that you'll rarely even see if you mostly use consoles for games is more important. I mean... WOW! At least the controller part is valid but you are aware what site you are on right?

Yeh the console cycle being roughly 10 years I should hope the hardware improves for the new tech, I'm saying they're pretty evenly matched so why does it matter about which one can benchmark abit more? You will still be playing the same games on either console, I have never seen a ps3 have any extra games that have even mildly better gfx than a 360 even though its better specced,
What are you expecting from it? Your not playing PC games which is where hardware actually makes a difference being able to adjust the gfx
So it basically comes down to the preference of thing like that. I hate Sony's dashboard and its controller is dick so is there online community compared to the 360
But @#$% it, ps3 had better hardware it could play better games (but it doesn't) your crap about having the best hardware is invalid seeing as they're closely matched mr selfPhilAshio


ROFL, that's a good one. Much applause.

PS3 isn't better than 360. From what I've read it has a slightly better CPU but slightly worse GPU. Even with it's minor advantage (up until recently at least) 360 versions of games, especially COD, usually looked and ran noticeably better on 360. 50% more powerful GPU isn't a minor advantage and it's not pretty much evenly matched. You might be playing the same game but that doesn't mean you're having the same experience.

So playing cod on the PlayStation will be different? Playing FIFA will be different? The only difference is the out of game stuff like the controller/ dashboard and how you communicate in game

I'd have thought people realize its not all about power. Look atacs v pc . macs aren't as powerful as most PCs but they're rapid in comparison

Playing the same game on one system with worse graphics and a less stable frame rate is different. As far as controller goes. Again, you do realize what site you're on? Yeah, the XBox 1 pad is probably better for shooters. But again... you do realize what site you're on?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 09:00 AM - 05/24/13
ps4 hits europe in 2013 is confirmed now :)

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/05/24/advert-confirms-ps4-launch-in-the-uk-this-year/

(http://www.thesixthaxis.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/metro.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 09:02 AM - 05/24/13
roskal why dont you just read what phil writes lol?

ps3 - xbox360 comparisons in terms of specs do suck as ps3 clearly had the much more challenging way to programm
barely any dev took the challenge cause of the massive work it required, therefore you never really saw a game that showcases the difference


but now ps4 and xbox one are pretty much one and the same in those terms, your comparison doesnt make sense at all

I think Ninja would disagree with you in terms of which is easier to dev on ... and since he's in the field where there's actual hand's-on time with the XB1 and PS4 I think there's some credibility to his claim.

did ninja had access to the ps4?
i think it was only the xbox dev kit right?


lots of other devs from ea and other companys already tweeted that there barely is a difference between the two
even if xbox is easier to code, as long as the difference is minor i dont see any problem at all
i mean difference between xbox360 and ps3 was like night and day or so
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RoskaL on 09:18 AM - 05/24/13
can i ask what it matters about the hardware? u want hardware get a pc, fact is theyre both designed to play pretty much the same games at specific constant fps, the only difference in deciding should be things like what it looks like, the controllers and the dashboard and other fancy features
theyre both gunna be faster than what we have now, theyll both play the games as intended and theyll both cause complete frustration

Here's another fact. Console cycle changes are hinged on more powerful hardware or what's the point of having new hardware? So why shouldn't I get the most powerful hardware in the category for the money? Guess what, not everybody can justify paying $2000 for a PC that's outdated in two years just to play games or wants the hassle that comes with PCs.

I remember five years ago the consensus on these forums being that most people got an Xbox and a Xim because you were basically getting the PC experience at such a greater value that the sacrifices were worth it. Back then 360 being more powerful than PS3 was a big deal and it wasn't even as much more powerful as the PS4 is than Xbox 1. Then two years ago consoles had fallen so far behind that everybody started flooding back to PC. Now we're at a point where consoles are again going to have the value advantage. If PC gamers start coming back to consoles why would they want to go back to a considerably weaker @#$% console?

The "it don matta 'cause is all 1080ps 60 fpses" statement is either outright retarded or disingenuous bull @#$% because that's not even close to being the whole story. Also, did you just say power doesn't matter but what matters is what the @#$% box looks like!? Seriously!? Reeeeeealy!?!? ROFLMOA!

Then you go on to say that fancy gimmicks are more important than power, dashboard which isn't going to effect gameplay and that you'll rarely even see if you mostly use consoles for games is more important. I mean... WOW! At least the controller part is valid but you are aware what site you are on right?

Yeh the console cycle being roughly 10 years I should hope the hardware improves for the new tech, I'm saying they're pretty evenly matched so why does it matter about which one can benchmark abit more? You will still be playing the same games on either console, I have never seen a ps3 have any extra games that have even mildly better gfx than a 360 even though its better specced,
What are you expecting from it? Your not playing PC games which is where hardware actually makes a difference being able to adjust the gfx
So it basically comes down to the preference of thing like that. I hate Sony's dashboard and its controller is dick so is there online community compared to the 360
But @#$% it, ps3 had better hardware it could play better games (but it doesn't) your crap about having the best hardware is invalid seeing as they're closely matched mr selfPhilAshio


ROFL, that's a good one. Much applause.

PS3 isn't better than 360. From what I've read it has a slightly better CPU but slightly worse GPU. Even with it's minor advantage (up until recently at least) 360 versions of games, especially COD, usually looked and ran noticeably better on 360. 50% more powerful GPU isn't a minor advantage and it's not pretty much evenly matched. You might be playing the same game but that doesn't mean you're having the same experience.

So playing cod on the PlayStation will be different? Playing FIFA will be different? The only difference is the out of game stuff like the controller/ dashboard and how you communicate in game

I'd have thought people realize its not all about power. Look atacs v pc . macs aren't as powerful as most PCs but they're rapid in comparison

Playing the same game on one system with worse graphics and a less stable frame rate is different. As far as controller goes. Again, you do realize what site you're on? Yeah, the XBox 1 pad is probably better for shooters. But again... you do realize what site you're on?
yeh i do realise what site im on but the majority of gamers dont even know what a xim is so generally speaking, also i only use xim for shooters, its not so cracking for racing games so yeh the controller still comes into play
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Zacharybinx34 on 09:39 AM - 05/24/13
So far I see no advantages of the XBox one over the PS4.
Aside from MS is usually a better company than Sony.

If it's a tie, or close, and the prices are the same, I'll get a Xbox.

If XBOX get's rid of used games and has a pretty inferior hardware specs, I'll get a PS4.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RoskaL on 09:51 AM - 05/24/13
anyone seen about the cloud rendering xbox1 is talking about to make online games have better latency?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 10:01 AM - 05/24/13
anyone seen about the cloud rendering xbox1 is talking about to make online games have better latency?

great feature

- latency problems
- requires high broadband connection that like 50% of the people dont have
- the past showed that clouds can go down, always online doesnt work one bit
- hackers will love to crash those clouds just to show microsoft how @#$% stupid their next gen approach is


on the pc there are already games that do processing through cloud
and they suck pretty hard
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 10:24 AM - 05/24/13
http://thechive.com/2013/05/24/the-xbox-one-reveal-in-2-minutes-video/

you will love this one, if I could preorder the PS4 I swear I would...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 10:37 AM - 05/24/13
great feature

- latency problems
- requires high broadband connection that like 50% of the people dont have
- the past showed that clouds can go down, always online doesnt work one bit
- hackers will love to crash those clouds just to show microsoft how @#$% stupid their next gen approach is

Man, you really do love making assumptions to prove your points haha. 

And you do realize that PSN was hacked, 77 million people's personal details were stolen, and the entire service was down for 24 days right?  That is some serious @#$%, and much easier to do than take down a cloud (which is pretty @#$% hard to do anyway).
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RoskaL on 10:38 AM - 05/24/13
anyone seen about the cloud rendering xbox1 is talking about to make online games have better latency?

great feature

- latency problems
- requires high broadband connection that like 50% of the people dont have
- the past showed that clouds can go down, always online doesnt work one bit
- hackers will love to crash those clouds just to show microsoft how @#$% stupid their next gen approach is


on the pc there are already games that do processing through cloud
and they suck pretty hard

Never played a online rendered game but can't imagine it being to cracking
All I know is I'm getting the Xbox1 no matter how crap it is it'll always have a better controller and online service than Sony and I honestly don't care what anyone else plans on getting. Most people will get one or then other. That's their choice
Question is will there be a xim involved in the next gen? Whether a new device or a firmware update or however its done. Will there be one?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 10:44 AM - 05/24/13
As of right now I'm leaning towards the ONE simply because of Xbox Live and its 300,000 servers! Doesn't really matter though because I will buy both systems just because I'm anal like that. Still, I have a feeling I'll be playing the 1 more unless Sony fixes its network. Never trust in anything that's free!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BionicTbag on 10:52 AM - 05/24/13
ps4 hits europe in 2013 is confirmed now :)

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/05/24/advert-confirms-ps4-launch-in-the-uk-this-year/ (http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/05/24/advert-confirms-ps4-launch-in-the-uk-this-year/)

(http://www.thesixthaxis.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/metro.jpg)


was it unknown that it may or may not appear in 2013?


also, is MS going to encode the game to your console and make it unable to sell or trade or get used or rent?



Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 11:41 AM - 05/24/13
great feature

- latency problems
- requires high broadband connection that like 50% of the people dont have
- the past showed that clouds can go down, always online doesnt work one bit
- hackers will love to crash those clouds just to show microsoft how @#$% stupid their next gen approach is

Man, you really do love making assumptions to prove your points haha. 


feel free to break my points with proper facts then

what i wrote above are excerpts from the neogaf forum where some proper minds explained it pretty well for why the stuff above is correct
i aint the technician as they are so it would stupid to rephrase their words with my own, which is why i just summed it up



also
with some thinking you know that those 4 points are pretty valid even without being a pro computer technician, no matter weather it are assumptions or not
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 11:53 AM - 05/24/13
Od1n, I've come up with an AKA for you "THE ANTI-ONE".  ;)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 11:57 AM - 05/24/13
rumor: x1 will also feature remote play according to two anonymous devs

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/24/4361974/the-xbox-one-can-talk-to-you-will-feature-remote-play
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Beezles on 12:17 PM - 05/24/13
interesting
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BionicTbag on 12:20 PM - 05/24/13
read that article and your sitting in your chair wonder how the hell they would allow you to do this as all your friends would never have to buy any games...they just remote play yours all day while your at work...
i do not think M$ would ever say, "Xbox One's ability to speak will allow it to function more like the iPhone's Siri, according to Microsoft officials who presented the feature"


= BS to me... IMO, yet interesting nevertheless
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 12:24 PM - 05/24/13
^ Pretty simple really, you both have to own the game.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BionicTbag on 12:28 PM - 05/24/13
http://www.polygon.com/2013/2/20/4006146/playstation-4-streaming-ps3-games-playstation-cloud-gaikai (http://www.polygon.com/2013/2/20/4006146/playstation-4-streaming-ps3-games-playstation-cloud-gaikai)


this  is the PS4 version of the same thing


sounds to me like hopeful speculation from M$ lovers.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 12:49 PM - 05/24/13
If it's true it makes sense to require both gamers own the game that is being played remotely.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: glenn37216 on 01:55 PM - 05/24/13
Wish I knew more about C++ . During the time I saw the Durango kit I remember seeing lines of code in Microsoft Visual studio that referenced to cloud and the client commands that could be hosted there.  Azura Tools ? Who else saw a Durango kit upclose ? Anyone?

    If I remember correctly the cloud gives the game dev the ability to have more than one server check for latency locations of the players in multiplayer matches. This is a huge breakthrough over what client side prediction does now. If the 300,000 ONE servers adapt to this new networking tech it will far surpass what sony can do on its free or + services now.  :P
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 03:16 PM - 05/24/13
baller. microsoft is bringing back shared CD keys.

GENIUS!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 03:30 PM - 05/24/13
Every xbox one could be potentially three times as powerful with cloud computing at launch.

http://www.oxm.co.uk/54748/xbox-one-specs-are-boosted-by-the-equivalent-of-three-xbox-ones-in-the-cloud/

Quote
"We're provisioning for developers for every physical Xbox One we build, we're provisioning the CPU and storage equivalent of three Xbox Ones on the cloud," he said. "We're doing that flat out so that any game developer can assume that there's roughly three times the resources immediately available to their game, so they can build bigger, persistent levels that are more inclusive for players. They can do that out of the gate."

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Bizzar1 on 03:45 PM - 05/24/13
The way I see cloud working is by offloading the info a game/console needs to send through a packet such as gamer tags, camo, gun skins, class loadout etc. instead of an instant large packet sent the way games are currently coded. Sort of unloading what the console needs to do in an instant. In games when you kill a player its not just who shot who and where. It's also what they were carrying, what gun with what attachments, colors, skins and what not. Sounds like a bunch of extra garbage that needs to be sent with each kill in an instant. Leave the consoles job for instant packet info like map location, hit detection and character position. Let the cloud handle the rest of the not so important crap.

Same as matchmaking. When searching for a lobby it could be beamed up to the cloud (no not literally) where the cloud sorts, prioritizes and then sends back the info vs the standard ping, return, ping, return, ping. This should in theory speed up the matchmaking process by offloading the consoles workload and result in better matching.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: glenn37216 on 03:50 PM - 05/24/13
Hmm .. sounds like this is what the EA guy meant or maybe he was just confused when he said "a generation ahead of the highest end PC .."
 cloud computing can help game devs offload cpu / gpu loads to the web.. in theory freeing up console resources for other uses. I can see how this would increase visuals but again I think MS is overhyping this "cloud" ability they have. -E3 cant come soon enuff ..  ???

@Bizzar1 .. actually the cloud will handle all latency issues with multiple servers checking for player model locations in game. A far better tech than peer to peer hosting does now. Fully dedicated servers for every game !
https://twitter.com/JamesStevenson/status/336955409187348482
-Imagine client side prediction on crack .   ;D (less cod @#$% moments.)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 04:05 PM - 05/24/13
and it gets even worse

according to kotaku the xbox one can only access 90% of the gpu workload for games, making it 1,107 tflops
ps4 now on 66% more output rather than the 50% from the comparisons before

http://kotaku.com/the-five-possible-states-of-xbox-one-games-are-strangel-509597078



it remains to be seen if xbox ones cloud gaming can really maintain their 40x improvement that they claim
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 04:27 PM - 05/24/13
I can see how this would increase visuals but again I think MS is overhyping this "cloud" ability they have. -E3 cant come soon enuff ..  ???

They may or may not be overhyping it, but we need to remember they are hyping it's max potential.  It's still going to be up to the game devs to actually use it and implement it properly.  If it's a hassle to implement it may become a forgotten feature  :-\
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 05:24 PM - 05/24/13
I thought this was funny

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLEL8sTCMAAD5fh.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 05:36 PM - 05/24/13
^ Laggy Gaming  ;)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Emanuel on 07:11 PM - 05/24/13
lol how can you assume it will be laggy gaming? I can do the same saying Xone tons of features will use your internet and rise your ping. Non-sense.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 07:39 PM - 05/24/13
something to think on, posted a more indepth post in the xbox one reveal topic

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/24/xbox-one-will-kinect-2-use-visual-drm

Quote
"The users consuming the content on a display device are monitored so that if the number of user-views licensed is exceeded, remedial action may be taken," it reads.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 06:23 AM - 05/25/13
lol how can you assume it will be laggy gaming? I can do the same saying Xone tons of features will use your internet and rise your ping. Non-sense.

No assuming, just going off past experiences. Believe me though I certainly hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PhilAshio on 08:50 AM - 05/25/13
The cloud being used to get rid of lag and increase power three fold is the kind of thing I want to hear as a gamer but as a skeptic who went through blast processors, emotion engines, and cells using your refrigerator for extra beef it falls into the category of "I'll believe it when I see it."

Also, I don't know how networking works but isn't adding an extra destination for information to travel just going to increase lag? What it sounds like is adding a thicker layer of lag comp on top of the lag comp in the game's own netcode. People always scream that dedicated servers are the panacea but based on how rubber bandy BC2 was, insta-death ridden Battlefield 3 was for half a year and Medal of Honor always was... I don't know.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 09:11 AM - 05/25/13
Don't forget -- ps3 was going to allow "dormant" ps3's work in parallel with those that are playing so they can have an even more powerful machine. 

All that turned into Folding at Home...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Acc0rd on 10:46 AM - 05/25/13
I dont like the xbox idea of always being on and you cant buy used games without paying a fee to play it on yours. You get the idea, screw going to redbox anymore to try the game or borrow from a friend. Andyou think Gamestop will give you jack @#$% now that they know the next owner has to buy a fee on top of the gamestop fee? Youll be lucky to get 10 bucks for each of your xbox games used. I really am leaning on going back to PS for the next gen system. I love my PS1 and I owned a PS2 but sold it cause it just sat there when PC gaming was huge. Xbox was my choice because all my real life friends had it, this time however I dont mind the RL friends and just want the best bang for my buck. I like renting games before I buy and I hated the EA policy of paying for another key code once it was used.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 11:10 AM - 05/25/13
Don't hold your breath, Sony has been tight lipped about how they will handle used games. I wouldn't be surprised if they did the exact same thing. I'm hoping for full disclosure at E3 for both sides.

I wouldn't mind the new used games system though. The industry is taking a dive right now, look at how many studios have went bankrupt over the last three years. Even a major publisher went under, THQ. Giving publishers and devs a cut on used games is only fair I think. Besides, you're only buying a license to use the game, it's been like that for 13+ years.

Also, now that the market may be more digital we have the possibility to see steam like sales. MS has already started doing this every month with xbla, dlc, and games on demand.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 11:45 AM - 05/25/13
Don't hold your breath, Sony has been tight lipped about how they will handle used games. I wouldn't be surprised if they did the exact same thing. I'm hoping for full disclosure at E3 for both sides.

I wouldn't mind the new used games system though. The industry is taking a dive right now, look at how many studios have went bankrupt over the last three years. Even a major publisher went under, THQ. Giving publishers and devs a cut on used games is only fair I think. Besides, you're only buying a license to use the game, it's been like that for 13+ years.

Also, now that the market may be more digital we have the possibility to see steam like sales. MS has already started doing this every month with xbla, dlc, and games on demand.

I actually agree 100%. However I'm not exactly poor and consider myself fortunate. I am more then willing to pay for better service and for better games. It is rediculous that soo many dev companies are going under. If all these developers weren't struggling so badly I might complain about pricing, but only a few are making the big bucks, it's a feast or famine industry. My daughter wants to be a developer and I have to admit I worry at times about her future. The cool thing is that my other daughter writes books and has a few published already (she's only 16) so they plan to create something together. I really like what the industry is doing to allow small developers to get there work published and recognized. So you never know.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: flst81 on 12:17 PM - 05/25/13
I agree whole heartedly that devs should get a cut of used games. I know games can be an expensive hobby for the consumer. I personally don't mind paying a small licensing fee if that helps some developers stay afloat. They made the game and they should get a piece of the pie, not just Gamestop, Gamefly etc. If the games are good, I wouldn't think most people wouldn't have a problem paying the fee. The consumer is still getting it at a reduced price over new. It's business, and all should be getting a cut of the profits. The problem lies in who gets what percentage. Corporate greed is what messes everything up.  :'(
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 12:35 PM - 05/25/13
Another pro to consider if this is true is publishers now have a sales "tale". In the past they would earn the most of there sales in the first 3-6months. After that most games are bought used and they don't see a dime of that money. Games are priced at $60 accordingly with this model. If they can now continue to profit after that period they could sell games for less than $60. Of course this is up to them but it opens up the possibility of cheaper starting prices and more discounted sales. If done right this could really benefit consumers, if done wrong obviously people will be upset but it will still benefit the industry and keep it alive.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: OBsIV on 01:13 PM - 05/25/13
It's still unclear what the pricing model is going to be for used games. But, I agree with the move. Mentioned here GameStop built a business around used games. Consumers sell their games, GameStop applies a considerable markup and then turns a nice profit (repeat over and over). The only winner there is GameStop. I'm fine with Sony and Microsoft taking steps to reclaim that revenue. I'm not sure how borrowing a game from a friend will work. But, I doubt that's what their focus is -- used game sales is the issue.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 02:45 PM - 05/25/13
gamestop/ebgames can cease to exist AFAIC.

i took a game to one for wakeboarder. not only was it MIB and unopened, but it had the un-tampered celophane plastic around it. It was a $65 dollar game and they wanted to give $15 dollars for it. i cussed the guy out in front of everybody there. we took it to wlamart without a receipt and they gave us the money. (walmart has a no receipt required, no questions asked return policy)


im fine with the used game policy and paying a license when you buy it. as with any software, the license is only for the original license holder. as gamers we've simply been allowed to skirt laws for years. that fact doesn't make it any more legal.
as many games as i burned for xbox 360 over the years (a hundred give or take some?) I was on the record years ago when EA Sports started including a CD-Key to access multiplayer, and if you didnt have it you had to buy one for a few dollars. who cares? the publishing company can make their profits that way if they want. and that's not an xbox 360 only policy EA has. that's on every system now already! don't be acting like xbox one brought us some new idea; that shows nothing more than you've had your head up your @#$% for the last three years as that's become more & more common in current gen games.

all i know is when i sold my main 360, the guy didnt want the unbannable 360 + ixtreme drive. he didnt want the xim-2, he didnt want the microsoft racing wheel, he didnt want the half dozen controllers, headsets & XBL webcam. or custom rock band drum kit.
what he wanted was the massive collection of burned games i had.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 03:09 PM - 05/25/13
@odin- it doesnt suprise that xbox games can only utilize 90% of the cpu power, because the other 10 are used for collecting information via Kinect. Its actually surprising that its 90% and not less. Id imagine the Windows 8 with all the background processes (skype, etc.) and kinect take up to 20% cpu load.

And the next thing- it doesnt surprise that the xbox one has weaker hardware than the ps4 (like less tflops) since every x1 comes with kinect, which is not cheap to produce, so they had to save money on the cpu/gpu to stay in a certain price limit of like 400-500 dollars. PS4 doesnt come with any sorts of Spyne(c)t thus beeing able to deliver slightly better hardware specs and still stay in the price range of like 400 dollars.

The Spynect is what breaks the deal for x1. I wish they didnt force this thing on every sold xbox, because many gamers still dont need this crap. Instead they shoulda invested in a better cpu/gpu and sold kinect separately.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 03:30 PM - 05/25/13
You know the PS4 is coming with an improved Eye camera right? They haven't talked about it a lot, something they are saving for E3.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 03:38 PM - 05/25/13
what would that change mist :/
if it turns out to be as worse as xbox one kinect, all it would do is erase or euqalize one point among a handfull of points in which sony is ahead...
a drop in the bucket


@ souver

absolutly my point of view, at no point im going to invest into a console thats one big spy-hardware for my living room
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RoskaL on 03:40 PM - 05/25/13
LOL at all you conspiracy theory people. Oh they want to spy on us all. @#$% off
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 03:41 PM - 05/25/13
PS4 doesnt come with any sorts of Spyne(c)t thus beeing able to deliver slightly better hardware specs and still stay in the price range of like 400 dollars.

The Spynect is what breaks the deal for x1. I wish they didnt force this thing on every sold xbox, because many gamers still dont need this crap. Instead they shoulda invested in a better cpu/gpu and sold kinect separately.

Odin, it was in regards to Souvers comment quoted above.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 03:44 PM - 05/25/13
a software that is designed to check how much people are infront of the tv, how else do you call that?
the potential to hack into your xbox and watch you and your family eating dinner or doing some sweet love, how do you call that?

another step towards a police state given that you cannot deactivate it, and by ducktaping the camera you still have the problem of the recorded audio

im not a conspiracy guy but why on earth would i put by my own will such a unit into my home?!



@ mist

all right :)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: flst81 on 03:51 PM - 05/25/13
Do you have a smartphone? I believe there was a show about how they can turn on your phones camera and  audio remotely and capture its current surroundings. So if you do, they probably have already started spying on you. ;)  lol
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RoskaL on 03:56 PM - 05/25/13
Microsoft have stated you can disable all kinect features. U have to have it plugged it but you can turn it off. I guess that's not enough for you and everyone wants to watch you living room I suppose don't they? Pretty sure people stopped watching big brother cuz its boring as hell can't imagine your living room being the new entertainment
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: flst81 on 04:02 PM - 05/25/13
I do understand where Od1n is coming from. There are enough whack jobs out there who would be willing to take the time to hack  into someone's stream if it's on and invade your privacy.  I'm not saying any of us here is important enough to do that to but, I'm sure there are some important people out there that would have the Xbox1 or PS4. Celebs, government employees, etc.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RoskaL on 04:04 PM - 05/25/13
They can hack into mine. But if I'm sat ball naked bashing one out and they want to see it then that's up to them
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 04:09 PM - 05/25/13
unplug kinect usb cord much?
put opaque object in front of cams difficult?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: flst81 on 04:12 PM - 05/25/13
unplug kinect usb cord much?
put opaque object in front of cams difficult?
Nope, in fact that's what I do now. That's all fine and dandy if all you're gonna do is play a game. If you want to take advantage of the other features they're talking about though....
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: flst81 on 04:24 PM - 05/25/13
They can hack into mine. But if I'm sat ball naked bashing one out and they want to see it then that's up to them
ROFLMAO. What's your ip address? I'll post that on my Govt, porn, hacker, thief website/database.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 04:24 PM - 05/25/13
When my Kinect grows little legs and starts following me around the house then I'll smash the little @#$%! Until then, I'm not really concerned about it. My consoles in the living rm. where the Gaming happens, I still have kids so everything else happens in the bedroom!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RoskaL on 04:37 PM - 05/25/13
They can hack into mine. But if I'm sat ball naked bashing one out and they want to see it then that's up to them
ROFLMAO. What's your ip address? I'll post that on my Govt, porn, hacker, thief website/database.
How about my actual address, you can get them to peer through my window, live and uncut ;)

Seriously though people are too paranoid. Everyone's smart phone has a camera and mic that they carry everywhere, even sending a message on Facebook pinpoints ur exact location on Google maps

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: flst81 on 05:37 PM - 05/25/13
Some people care some people don't. To each his own.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 05:54 PM - 05/25/13
You know the PS4 is coming with an improved Eye camera right? They haven't talked about it a lot, something they are saving for E3.

Yeah I know they showed this camera. But it wasnt clear though if it comes bundled with every ps4, was it?

Anyhow- the eye camer is a simple camera and nothing else, much like a camera inside a smart phone + a microphone.

Its not such a complex thing like kinect is, with recognizing gestures, voice etc., with a motor that makes it change the angle when you move in the reoom.

Having said that- I think the eye camera is very cheap in production compared with kinect. We wil know more after e3 i assume. Then we can have next level of discussion.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ABigDeal on 06:13 PM - 05/25/13
True about Facebook, also everything you put on Facebook from info to conversations to photos is not your property, you declared by signing an agreement. they also use all that information and sell it to market research and governments. wouldn't be surprised if kinect was the same
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: stoneyftw on 06:13 PM - 05/25/13
I don't know why all you neanderthals are worrying about having a camera in the system, being as that our species is a stones throw away from biological hardware integration, including network access. 

Plug in.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 09:23 PM - 05/25/13
Giving publishers and devs a cut on used games is only fair I think. Besides, you're only buying a license to use the game, it's been like that for 13+ years.

THIS!!!  There's a difference between buying a physical game and a license to play a game.  I find it funny when people who regularly use Steam and have had games locked to their account for years start @#$% about this supposed no used game thing.  Why is it ok for Steam to do but not Microsoft?

the potential to hack into your xbox and watch you and your family eating dinner or doing some sweet love, how do you call that?

I assume you have all your windows and doors boarded up then, right?  You can't honestly think that there is somebody out there that wants to and/or is going to hack your effing Xbox and watch your family eat dinner.

Rofl the extent to which you will go to to make Xbox sound like @#$% is hilarious ;D
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 09:34 PM - 05/25/13
xbO has cameras on all the time? and my smartphones, ipad, two laptops & my xbox 360 didnt have theirs on all the time? lol
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: glenn37216 on 09:54 PM - 05/25/13
^ Oh toys. Using simple logistics he speaks the truth every time.  ;D

Wonder how scailing is going to be on these consoles ? It would be nice to finally be able to choose a native res in game according to what you were playing on .   :P

Toys.. thoughts please !
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Acc0rd on 11:13 PM - 05/25/13
iM reading all of these omg the devs need money. Im sorry bit i dont give 2 @#$% about them making money. They get money off the original sale and that makes them millions hand over fist. Also, you put gamestop outa buisness how many thousands upon thousands of jobs do you loose? No one thinks about that until they loose their own job. I feel console gaming has really taking a huge down turn in the past 10 years. Most people buy the big 4 or 5 games a year anyhow cause most games are just lame. Im just gonna be up in the air here until I see whats up. But if Sony says no fees on used/rented games, im going with them. E3 is a few more weeks away, will be waiting in the background to see whats their final say.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ABigDeal on 02:06 AM - 05/26/13
Couldnt care less if the studios get rich or not, if its a @#$% game that no one wants, its a @#$% game that no one wants, they took the risk, like in every business. To give you and idea on how big the gaming industry already is, Music industry in US: 10.4 Billion (08), Movie industry in US: 9.5 Billion (07), Video Game Industry in US: 18.5 Billion(07) and they are old statistics from 2007, 6 years ago... What is going to make me, the consumer pay full price for 2nd hand game, if your game sucked? Do you really think i will fork out that cash? Now that i know if a review tells me a game is horrible or not worth the money, im not going to even bother traveling to a mates place to trail it let alone buy it. IMO its just going to worsen for the lower end studios, as you buy a few games which suck, and you paid full price, you just learnt a lesson. Let alone trying to offload the trash game knowing you will get next to nothing, which it already is... if you can still do it. It would just push people to buy the big titled games knowing they are going to get what they paid for. The whole advantage of console was having a library of games and being able to share em with ya mates, now its just xbox OS limited PC on your tv which i do anyway but with a proper pc.

More and more ways to suck out every dollar out of the consumer, obviously not every publisher or company, but Black ops II, $1 BILLION DOLLARS in revenue in 15 days, has anyone here ever seen publishers give any sort of generosity, what so ever?


Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 02:18 AM - 05/26/13
Good points all around... its just kinda funny in a wierd way that ppl get so fired up over games and not over @#$% that really matters... im to blame aswell but im entertained and couldnt agree with you guys more.

Well see AT RELEASE .. not E3.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 07:01 AM - 05/26/13
I would rather see jobs lost at Gamestop (and my daughters boyfriend works there) then Devs jobs lost. I agree that greed is the issue. Someone always makes money, unfortunately, the rich get richer as they say. But a company like Gamestop that makes money by simply being the middle man and ripping people off. How can you support such a thing? The hillarious thing is people actually believe Gamestop is doing them a fav. You bought a game, you hate it, you're pissed at those that developed it and now suddenly Gamestop is your friend? You apparently didn't notice in all your anger at the Devs that you just got screwed again. Nope, instead you were just happy to get what ever you could for the piece of crap, right?

Look, I'm not against buying and selling used games. I'm actually for it, I'm against Free Loaders! I'm not a democrat and I don't believe that the wealth should be shared. I believe you earn what you get or you get nothing!

I think what M$ is doing with buying and selling used games "In the cloud" is Brilliant and I truly hope it comes to fruition. I would much rather my money go to the Devs or even M$ then to Gamestop. Atleast  they add something to the gaming community and deserve it. The only thing you might hear me complain about is DLC. It's obvious that sometimes DLC is only there to bring in extra cash flow. However, DLC is still a great concept when it is not being abused.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 07:47 AM - 05/26/13
i support gamestop/ebgames going bankrupt because i hate ebay & craigslist, but id still rather deal with them
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PhilAshio on 12:27 PM - 05/26/13
LOL at all you conspiracy theory people. Oh they want to spy on us all. @#$% off

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9158818/Pennsylvania_schools_spying_on_students_using_laptop_webcams_claims_lawsuit

Another pro to consider if this is true is publishers now have a sales "tale". In the past they would earn the most of there sales in the first 3-6months. After that most games are bought used and they don't see a dime of that money. Games are priced at $60 accordingly with this model. If they can now continue to profit after that period they could sell games for less than $60. Of course this is up to them but it opens up the possibility of cheaper starting prices and more discounted sales. If done right this could really benefit consumers, if done wrong obviously people will be upset but it will still benefit the industry and keep it alive.

I don't think any of that is the case. Gamestop's used game model has been in effect as long as I remember, at the very least since 1998. Yet, gaming has been rapidly growing until around 2010 when you started seeing drastic decreases in sales on a yearly basis. I think it had more to do with generation fatigue and the general drop in quality of games than used game sales. Back in 2009 Bobby Kotick himself said console manufacturers needed to hurry up and release something new or this very thing would happen.

If game sales truly were such a huge problem the better balance of consumer and publisher interest would have been something like publishers setting up their own distribution channels online and offering trade in's of used games for credit to secure the money for themselves. While Gamestop's model is ridiculous Microsoft's (and possible Sony's) approach of practically getting rid of used games is a scorched earth approach. It's all about disarming the consumer and squeezing every penny.

While I'm probably in the minority, for me used games aren't about the financial side of it. It's more about having what ever little power to say "@#$% your @#$% game". When you get duped into buying a game that's not up to par the only thing you can really do is either give away or sell your copy to make sure that the publisher doesn't profit on another copy sold. Losing that power just means I'm taking less risk on purchasing new games especially from new IPs. At this point that pretty much cuts down the list down to about four or five series. I think more than anything that's what the effect of all of this is going to end up being. More reliance on fewer big brand series maybe some cheap XBLA/indie type games and nothing in between.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Ryoga on 12:56 PM - 05/26/13
Giving publishers and devs a cut on used games is only fair I think. Besides, you're only buying a license to use the game, it's been like that for 13+ years.

THIS!!!  There's a difference between buying a physical game and a license to play a game.  I find it funny when people who regularly use Steam and have had games locked to their account for years start @#$% about this supposed no used game thing.  Why is it ok for Steam to do but not Microsoft?

I personally have no quarms about this new game/used game stuff since it's the direction that all companies want to go. Digital distribution is the future and won't go away. What will end up happening is that I won't go and buy a game anymore purely for wanting to try out a game. Much like my Steam account, it only has games that I really want to play and any games that have been heavily discounted such as the Counter-Strike collections, the annual Steam sales, etc, etc.

Of course, a demo or a timed version of the game available digitally will solve this problem, but as many of you know, demos generally don't represent the experience a full title will offer - example - the demo/beta version of CoD multiplayer ends just before the release of the game. There is no way I could experience this from the PSN store or Xbox Live after such period. I have to either go to a friends house, borrow a copy from my friend or go to a store to experience this. As WORD OF MOUTH is the strongest marketing tool to increase sales of a product, the fact that I can't borrow a title to try out without having to access to a friends account prevents me from trying out the game.

I'm wondering what the likes of GameFly, LoveFilm, RedBox will take from this when they can't effectively rent out Xbox One games to Joe Public. I'm assuming that procedures and systems will be in place to accommodate such services. Microsoft would be smart to allow digital rentals of their games on Xbox One. Once the rental goes up to the cost of the game at $60/£50, the consumer will keep the game on their hard drive without additional charge. This is a smarter move than restricting used game sales to just approved retailers.

Which brings me to the next bit: What about the independent retailers on the High Street that rely on used game sales to keep them afloat? If they are not on the approved partners program, then they would not be able to sell and trade used games for the Xbox One.

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 12:59 PM - 05/26/13
There's nothing stopping them from doing timed demos of the full game, sony does this. I think it's 60 minutes.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Ryoga on 01:06 PM - 05/26/13
There's nothing stopping them from doing timed demos of the full game, sony does this. I think it's 60 minutes.

Agreed. And that's the reason why Sony is miles ahead in accommodating the consumer. I still think my idea of digital game rentals is the way to go.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PhilAshio on 02:08 PM - 05/26/13
But they'll just blow their budget on that 1 hour and if you bought that shite based on the demo, that's it, you're out of options. I bought Bioshock because the demo was promising and as soon as you pass the demo portion in the game you start slowly finding out it's actually not that great.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 02:52 PM - 05/26/13
Holy be-Jesus! You didn't like Bio-Shock? Tough crowd!

The future is digital download, just like music is now. Gamestop, EBgames, Wal-mart, Bestbuy all of them will feel a squeeze soon enough I'm sure. I personally can't wait till every single game is a DAY1 digital launch.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Ryoga on 03:41 PM - 05/26/13
But they'll just blow their budget on that 1 hour and if you bought that shite based on the demo, that's it, you're out of options. I bought Bioshock because the demo was promising and as soon as you pass the demo portion in the game you start slowly finding out it's actually not that great.

Which is why I'm saying that my digital rental scheme is the way to go. 2.99/3.99 per 24 hours. After a months worth of play, you would have hit the $60 mark of what a new game costs, so you've essentially paid for the game in installments because you've taken the time to play through the game for that long.

If you didn't like the game, you would've only just taken 1-3 days to figure it out, costing you only between $3/$4 and $9/$12, instead of $60. In that effect, you wouldn't need to take that phsyical copy back to GameStop/EB/CeX for a trade-in simply because you have the convenience of the digital store to choose another game on the rental system. The rental scheme can then be implemented amoung the retailers by "selling" codes to allow access. The industry would benefit because that rental fee can be distributed among the publishers, retailers and themselves without pissing of the retailers and the consumers. Someone on a budget would more likely pay a small amount for a couple of days instead of dishing out $60 per game.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 05:30 PM - 05/26/13
oh dont mis-represent it. gamestop doesnt deal in trade-ins. they rip you off for 1/5th the price of the game
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Ryoga on 07:07 PM - 05/26/13
Here's another thing that Microsoft has missed a trick on. If they allowed the private resell of games or at least deactivation by the user themselves through the Xbox One, they could gather so much information regarding user habits. For example, they could effectively figure out if a user is lending a copy to a friend since the key code to that game would be linked to the friend's LIVE profile from it's history. If that friend registers another key code of the same title, it then means that they have bought that game thus converting a borrow to a buy.

This sort of data is very valuble for a number of reasons. They could also figure out how many times that copy was passed on thus getting circulation data. They could figure out what the conversion rates are for paritcular titles, which subsequently could be used for marketing as well as sellling that data to publishers.

Add this with my rental scheme, and you've got yourself a powerful system of statistics that could enable developers and publishers to improve what theyy deliver.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ABigDeal on 04:02 AM - 05/27/13
Quote
I assume you have all your windows and doors boarded up then, right?  You can't honestly think that there is somebody out there that wants to and/or is going to hack your effing Xbox and watch your family eat dinner.

Rofl the extent to which you will go to to make Xbox sound like @#$% is hilarious ;D

When microsoft bought skype they also got a patent to silently record conversations, and i think its the same with kinect

"You should not expect any level of privacy concerning your use of the live communication features (for example, voice chat, video and communications in live-hosted gameplay sessions) offered through the Service."
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Ryoga on 06:11 AM - 05/27/13
More on the Xbox One: It's rumoured been confirmed that all games are region-locked. Not really an issue if the games are released same day/week globally - but a pain if you live in a region where the game may not be out officially.

Fingers crossed that the PS4 is region-free like the PS3...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 06:14 AM - 05/27/13
That’s awful as I hate German translations so I hope my "Region" at least expands to the UK.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 08:12 AM - 05/27/13
EU usually is one single region with multi language option, you should be save in that regard roads
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 08:35 AM - 05/27/13
http://kotaku.com/rumor-the-ps4-has-used-games-drm-509969406
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 10:28 AM - 05/27/13
Here's another thing that Microsoft has missed a trick on. If they allowed the private resell of games or at least deactivation by the user themselves through the Xbox One, they could gather so much information regarding user habits. For example, they could effectively figure out if a user is lending a copy to a friend since the key code to that game would be linked to the friend's LIVE profile from it's history. If that friend registers another key code of the same title, it then means that they have bought that game thus converting a borrow to a buy.

This sort of data is very valuble for a number of reasons. They could also figure out how many times that copy was passed on thus getting circulation data. They could figure out what the conversion rates are for paritcular titles, which subsequently could be used for marketing as well as sellling that data to publishers.

Add this with my rental scheme, and you've got yourself a powerful system of statistics that could enable developers and publishers to improve what theyy deliver.
thank you for giving us absolutely useless information considering in current gen both microsoft and sony already know who is playing what games as soon as you plug the system in to the internet....
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Ryoga on 10:36 AM - 05/27/13

thank you for giving us absolutely useless information considering in current gen both microsoft and sony already know who is playing what games as soon as you plug the system in to the internet....

LOL! how is that useless? Bet those companies don't know which copies are used or new...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 10:48 AM - 05/27/13
you're stating the obvious bro. every game has unique serials as does every console.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ShadowIG on 11:16 AM - 05/27/13
how much do you think i could get for my xbox and games?
better to sell it now to get more $ out of it
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 11:21 AM - 05/27/13
http://kotaku.com/rumor-the-ps4-has-used-games-drm-509969406

Haha I can't wait to see how many of these Xbox haters come crawling back once Sony finally comes clean with everything that's gonna be in the PS4.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 11:37 AM - 05/27/13
how much do you think i could get for my xbox and games?
better to sell it now to get more $ out of it

If you don't mind being out a console for a while now is the time to do it. I don't know what you would get but if I were you I would do it before E3. Trade in value may decrease after the full reveals and you would also have money to put down on your preorder.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 11:41 AM - 05/27/13
you wont get much for it. a couple hundred if. craigslist here is flooded. ebay is starting to flood.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ShadowIG on 01:24 PM - 05/27/13
By the looks of boise Craigslist there arent many consoles for sale and the ones that are for sale are xbox slims with 4-5 games for 350-375. For all the cod's, halo's, gow's and other random games plus dlc content that's on there you think 450-500 is good?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 05:37 PM - 05/27/13
By the looks of boise Craigslist there arent many consoles for sale and the ones that are for sale are xbox slims with 4-5 games for 350-375. For all the cod's, halo's, gow's and other random games plus dlc content that's on there you think 450-500 is good?

wow, that much?

i would have said 200$ is the maximum you could get at the moment, im kinda shocked to see they go for 300-400$
if thats the current price im speechless haha

your price seems fine then shadow if you regard the other pricetags, however i doubt youll find someone that has a need for ALL your games
therefore id go with the 450$ as 500$ might be a bit high for someone that eg doesnt like halo or gow
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 05:44 PM - 05/27/13
I dont really see anyone paying over 200$ for an xbox when you can get a refurbed one for 100$ at gamestop. Ps3 seems to be holding its value better for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ShadowIG on 07:08 PM - 05/27/13
i might as well throw the astros in and just sell each item 1 by 1, already got offers for items when i posted on facebook. it will suck not having a console to play esp when the new cod comes out but i can tell its going to be garbage so i can hold out on it.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 07:29 PM - 05/27/13
But it has dogs
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ShadowIG on 09:02 PM - 05/27/13
I have real gsd in my backyard, as far as they are concerned im set.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: glenn37216 on 10:38 PM - 05/27/13
I guess now is a good time to sell a Wii U...
This is an add taken from the eBay Germany's Facebook page...  ;D


(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18p0t33fa1xddjpg/k-bigpic.jpg)

Notice the lower right hand corner..

Translation :
- No used-game locking
- No mandatory online
- No fuss
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 01:10 AM - 05/28/13
ya shadow entire decked out & modded 360's are only going for about $200 here right now
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ABigDeal on 01:30 AM - 05/28/13
and combo. @#$% get the @#$% out sending me private messages.
the unbannable 360

shut up fool, you ain't c4eva, so stop sounding like you know so much when you actually don't.

@#$% idiot.

(http://i.imgur.com/vtCTZLE.jpg)



if you knew anything you'd know in spring of 2010 microsoft was selling refurbished xbox 360 arcades with incorrectly referbed lite-on drives, causing thousands of consoles to be shipped out which were then banned in the April 2010 ban wave.
microsoft had to permanently unban ALL consoles in those serial chunks. of which, i bought two from walmart.


ya lick my @#$% combo, lick it harder. @#$%

lol @ c4eva praise

Had an xkey for like 1 and a half years and the commodore claims you gonna get banned

brb never have to flash
brb just put games on usb
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: McNappa on 03:15 AM - 05/28/13
I personally know c4eva. The man is a genius. However. Everyone gets things wrong from time to time and always remember he is up team xecuters arse ...probably why he said xkey would get you banned. Xkey is better than any firmware hack or j-tag. Long live xkey
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 03:40 AM - 05/28/13
I guess now is a good time to sell a Wii U...
This is an add taken from the eBay Germany's Facebook page...  ;D


(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18p0t33fa1xddjpg/k-bigpic.jpg)

Notice the lower right hand corner..

Translation :
- No used-game locking
- No mandatory online
- No fuss

All i see is:

Album: Timeline Photos
Share with  @ public

in lower right corner glenn ;/?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ABigDeal on 04:53 AM - 05/28/13
I personally know c4eva. The man is a genius. However. Everyone gets things wrong from time to time and always remember he is up team xecuters arse ...probably why he said xkey would get you banned. Xkey is better than any firmware hack or j-tag. Long live xkey

No [email protected], just at his cult followers! Im sure he is, he kept me playing xbox for ages.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 09:55 AM - 05/28/13
It's a repost publix, I think I saw it on kotaku.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 01:41 PM - 05/28/13
I was trollin..

He said lower right, when in actual fact, that which he was referring to was located bottom left.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 02:10 PM - 05/28/13
oohhhhhhh
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 04:06 PM - 05/28/13
oohhhhhhh

... cba
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: tuffrabit on 05:38 PM - 05/28/13
I don't see the point in selling your 360 at this point.  You're not gonna get much for it if you do actually get somebody to bite.  Once PS4/One hits you essentially have a supped up Roku to put wherever you want... or in my case a office game machine.

Now if you have multiple 360's in good enough shape to sell.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PhilAshio on 07:27 PM - 05/28/13
Unless GTAV gets announced for next gen consoles I can't imagine selling the 360. That's probably the last and only current gen game I'm buying from this point on. With the exception of maybe the new Call of Juarez game when I finish Deus Ex HR. That COJ game probably has the best look mechanic.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 07:42 PM - 05/28/13
With the exception of maybe the new Call of Juarez game when I finish Deus Ex HR.

It's actually been getting really great reviews. I was surprised.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: GreyMouser on 07:54 PM - 05/28/13
With the exception of maybe the new Call of Juarez game when I finish Deus Ex HR.

It's actually been getting really great reviews. I was surprised.

Wow, never considered getting CoJ 'til now. Thanks for the tip.

But I have such a huge backlog now on PC though.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 05:23 AM - 05/29/13
this one looks like it fits:

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18ogx2ftnu8aegif/k-bigpic.gif)

u can see more fun pics here:

http://kotaku.com/the-internet-reacts-hilariously-to-the-xbox-one-event-509292028
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 05:31 AM - 05/29/13
Only problem with the new COJ - No Multiplayer!!!

I was pissed when I heard that, I actually loved the Multi in the second game, they had some really fun maps!

But for 1200 MSP what would you expect, probably part of why the reviews are so good "The Price"!

Still I do consider myself a bit of a fan. I would love to see a Western COD lol...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: OMGsus on 05:56 AM - 05/29/13
and combo. @#$% get the @#$% out sending me private messages.
the unbannable 360

shut up fool, you ain't c4eva, so stop sounding like you know so much when you actually don't.

@#$% idiot.

(http://i.imgur.com/vtCTZLE.jpg)



if you knew anything you'd know in spring of 2010 microsoft was selling refurbished xbox 360 arcades with incorrectly referbed lite-on drives, causing thousands of consoles to be shipped out which were then banned in the April 2010 ban wave.
microsoft had to permanently unban ALL consoles in those serial chunks. of which, i bought two from walmart.


ya lick my @#$% combo, lick it harder. @#$%

There is no such thing as an unbannable 360. There _are_ some that are harder to detect pirating and certain mods due to a possible false-positive, but, much like you, are not "unbannable".

Also, stop reposting PM conversations in public. It's not cute.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 06:58 AM - 05/29/13
Sounds like there's a lot of licking going on if you ask me....

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 07:17 AM - 05/29/13
Sounds like there's a lot of licking going on if you ask me....

More then you know!

 :P
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 07:38 AM - 05/29/13
combo sure loves those private messages...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 07:44 AM - 05/29/13
combo sure loves those private messages...

You too  ???

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Chance on 08:14 AM - 05/29/13
With the exception of maybe the new Call of Juarez game when I finish Deus Ex HR.

It's actually been getting really great reviews. I was surprised.

Yeah, I LOVE Call of Juarez: Gunslinger, it's developed by the same guys that do Dead Island so the aiming mechanics are good, you have sensitivity & deadzone.


Edit - Souver, I like this one     (http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18ogypkrrn66tgif/ku-medium.gif)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 08:55 AM - 05/29/13
Nice one Souver!  ;D
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: NinjaX2 on 01:00 PM - 05/29/13
I am personally partial to Microsoft for a number of reasons.

One..every single game I own...I buy new. Why ? Because thats how I am.

Two, I could care less about gamestop or their employees. I think used games and the ability to resell games screws game companies in the end.

This also helps mitigate the risk of copyright infringement...while I already know there will be ways around this. It is however going to stop a lot of the goofballs who do it.

The Xbox is infinitely easier to develop for. I have heards this from developers time and time again. Why? I am not too sure because I haven't really discussed it in detail with them and I do not write video games. They do however.


Keep an eye on WG...especially since we own at LEAST one of the new franchises being announced.

Now PS4...has great hardware noone can deny that, and for those people who are not enthusiats..or maybe just want pretty graphics, can have a PS4.

I will personally OWN BOTH. I own BOTH now. I will own BOTH in the future..I have always owned one of almost every console...I in fact have Neo Geo sitting in my closet.

Now I personally think MS will make more money, and sell more. Just call it a hunch..a gut feeling because that is all it is. I however think they are moving in the right direction. I am not sure why everyone is so worried about it.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 02:03 PM - 05/29/13
There is no such thing as an unbannable 360. There _are_ some that are harder to detect pirating and certain mods due to a possible false-positive, but, much like you, are not "unbannable".
you worded that wrong, but you're wrong on both meanings
1) you can unban any 360 if you have the ID's of another unbanned xbox to use
2) the arcades i had WERE unbanned by microsoft and left that way because they were referbished with dvd drives that flagged the consoles for banning. they all got banned & microsoft's only way to solve the problem was to unban all of those referbed consoles and have their DVD/game security flags not count towards the console being banned.

Quote
Also, stop reposting PM conversations in public. It's not cute.
i dont really care at all if you think PM's should be public or private. kid needs to quit being a douche-bag if he wants his PM's to remain private. 'cause IDGAF
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 08:49 PM - 05/29/13
"The Xbox is infinitely easier to develop for. I have heards this from developers time and time again. Why? I am not too sure because I haven't really discussed it in detail with them and I do not write video games. They do however."

Interesting that you say this as an insider.  All the articles / developer comments since both unveilings have been absolutely the opposite.  Wonder how much of it is real and how much of it is Sony $$$ talking from the press.  My guy(s) have said that both are easy, with PS3 being a million times better than it was in the past for folks that came from the PC world. 

I also wonder if that's what everyone is referring to as well -- PS4 being soooooooo easy because they're comparing things to how they were with PS3. 

Guess only time will tell.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 04:38 AM - 05/30/13
u can put it this way- developing games for the ps4 is as easy or hard as making games for pc. Because its hardware and architecture is nothing but a pc. Sure ps4 will have some extra things like security measures etc. But given its a x86/x64 architecture and games will run like DirectX games on windows- there will be no lead plattform this time around. The lead platform to design games will be the pc. Which is how it should be in the first place.

So this is not an argument any more in my book. The "difficulty" with the SDK will be probably like +- 5-10% between the 2 consoles which is close to irrelevant.

The architectury of the 2 systems looks to be almost identical, but the ps4 having slightly better raw power, which should result in slightly improved visuals-> maybe more AA or just 60fps instead 30fps and stuff like that. I certainly am looking forward to e3 and learning new details.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 08:56 AM - 05/30/13
xbox render https://sketchfab.com/show/qsRPEw7hTKC4E02XMop9DUpu2wb
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: tuffrabit on 09:22 AM - 05/30/13
u can put it this way- developing games for the ps4 is as easy or hard as making games for pc. Because its hardware and architecture is nothing but a pc. Sure ps4 will have some extra things like security measures etc. But given its a x86/x64 architecture and games will run like DirectX games on windows- there will be no lead plattform this time around. The lead platform to design games will be the pc. Which is how it should be in the first place.

So this is not an argument any more in my book. The "difficulty" with the SDK will be probably like +- 5-10% between the 2 consoles which is close to irrelevant.

The architectury of the 2 systems looks to be almost identical, but the ps4 having slightly better raw power, which should result in slightly improved visuals-> maybe more AA or just 60fps instead 30fps and stuff like that. I certainly am looking forward to e3 and learning new details.

You know this how?  Are you a programmer who has access to a PS4 dev kit?  Have you EVER written any software?
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 09:29 AM - 05/30/13
u can put it this way- developing games for the ps4 is as easy or hard as making games for pc. Because its hardware and architecture is nothing but a pc. Sure ps4 will have some extra things like security measures etc. But given its a x86/x64 architecture and games will run like DirectX games on windows- there will be no lead plattform this time around. The lead platform to design games will be the pc. Which is how it should be in the first place.

So this is not an argument any more in my book. The "difficulty" with the SDK will be probably like +- 5-10% between the 2 consoles which is close to irrelevant.

The architectury of the 2 systems looks to be almost identical, but the ps4 having slightly better raw power, which should result in slightly improved visuals-> maybe more AA or just 60fps instead 30fps and stuff like that. I certainly am looking forward to e3 and learning new details.

You know this how?  Are you a programmer who has access to a PS4 dev kit?  Have you EVER written any software?
Beat me to it. I always enjoy watching some of our members talking out their rear-ends.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: NinjaX2 on 09:30 AM - 05/30/13
I will ignore souver's post.

I mean I am only in an office with a room full of developers who do this and have done this for I dunno..their entire lives. I think they would know better than he, or even myself.

I guess however all of them could be full of crap and have no idea what they are talking about.

*shrug* I will end this with one of my favorite Benjamin Franklin quotes...


"Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn."

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: OBsIV on 09:30 AM - 05/30/13
Since the PS4 is x86-based, it will be easier to develop games. The only difference will be the quality of the tools. I don't know what the PS4 is using as far as compilers/debuggers/IDE's/etc.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: NinjaX2 on 09:32 AM - 05/30/13
"The Xbox is infinitely easier to develop for. I have heards this from developers time and time again. Why? I am not too sure because I haven't really discussed it in detail with them and I do not write video games. They do however."

Interesting that you say this as an insider.  All the articles / developer comments since both unveilings have been absolutely the opposite.  Wonder how much of it is real and how much of it is Sony $$$ talking from the press.  My guy(s) have said that both are easy, with PS3 being a million times better than it was in the past for folks that came from the PC world. 

I also wonder if that's what everyone is referring to as well -- PS4 being soooooooo easy because they're comparing things to how they were with PS3. 

Guess only time will tell.

*shrug* I am not sure man. Again I am personally not a developer. I just know what they tell me so I can not confirm one way or the other. I personally couldn't develop for either console :)

However we may be moving away from the PS4 all together.... :)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: NinjaX2 on 09:36 AM - 05/30/13
Since the PS4 is x86-based, it will be easier to develop games. The only difference will be the quality of the tools. I don't know what the PS4 is using as far as compilers/debuggers/IDE's/etc.

Their tools and the coding is completely different. For PC developers maybe it is easier? I only know our console guys seem to have serious problems with it. They say it is buggy and it may be easier? Somehow, but it may also be harder...not really harder..maybe my terminlology is wrong.

Maybe it is just because it is something new to them. Again I do not know in detail. I just know that they are not fans of the PS4 development. Granted Microsoft also provides tons of tools and such, a lot of wich are also buggy and use old school ways of doing things (AKA broadcasts instead of simply using dns lookups causing the software to fail if your network is properly designed to prevent broadcasts)

But anyways yes. I am personally...not saying one or the other is easier, I am not a developer and have no credentials to make this assumption. I am only going by what I hear. And developers are very strange...but fun...people. So I am not sure where their angle comes from, all I hear is constant complaining about it.

Then again though like I have mentioned earlier. We are will most likely be exclusive to MS anyways...E3 will tell :)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 09:45 AM - 05/30/13
I'm not sure why the difficulty of developing games matters??

For the most part, games are developed on the PC with high-end 3D programs. Then lighting/materials/textures/animation is baked into super highend textures and made to work with Direct X etc. Then, everything downgraded and ported to consoles. I cant imagine that the process of porting to the PS4, or Xbox one would force a game company not not release a product.

It cant be THAT hard to port to PS4 that you would cut your consumer base down by 50% right out of the gate.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: NinjaX2 on 09:54 AM - 05/30/13
No No Dale.

We didn't make the decision based off of development deifficulty. I guess I didn't put it in the right context.


Possible exclusivity deals....etc may be having some part in this decision...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 09:59 AM - 05/30/13
Right, I guess that's what I'm saying. Exclusivity* if that's a word, will be decided by contracts and deals... not so much by whichever is easiest to develop for...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: NinjaX2 on 10:09 AM - 05/30/13
Always for sure.

I am sure our guys are smart enough to figure it out. They even started development for PS4. they just hated it. But I think it was halted recently.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PhilAshio on 10:45 AM - 05/30/13
Since the PS4 is x86-based, it will be easier to develop games. The only difference will be the quality of the tools. I don't know what the PS4 is using as far as compilers/debuggers/IDE's/etc.

Their tools and the coding is completely different. For PC developers maybe it is easier? I only know our console guys seem to have serious problems with it. They say it is buggy and it may be easier? Somehow, but it may also be harder...not really harder..maybe my terminlology is wrong.

Maybe it is just because it is something new to them. Again I do not know in detail. I just know that they are not fans of the PS4 development. Granted Microsoft also provides tons of tools and such, a lot of wich are also buggy and use old school ways of doing things (AKA broadcasts instead of simply using dns lookups causing the software to fail if your network is properly designed to prevent broadcasts)

But anyways yes. I am personally...not saying one or the other is easier, I am not a developer and have no credentials to make this assumption. I am only going by what I hear. And developers are very strange...but fun...people. So I am not sure where their angle comes from, all I hear is constant complaining about it.

Then again though like I have mentioned earlier. We are will most likely be exclusive to MS anyways...E3 will tell :)

ROFLMAO!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: NinjaX2 on 10:52 AM - 05/30/13
You quoted it twice?

I guess I missed the ROFLMAO part?

I never once said I had the credentials to say one is easier or harder. Again, all just stuff I hear. I am sure every developer or coder is different too and some may prefer one way or the other just like anything else.

Its like me...I can build a netowkr with any equipment. I prefer Cisco. I am a CCIE. On the other hand I HATE HP, I HATE ADTRAN..etc...

But I can work on them, I can make them do the same things, but I HATE WORKING with them because their syntax to me is stupid and inefficient, and its just a pain.

It however does not mean I am incapable.

It is the only way I can explain it.


I am sure there are other Network Engineers who see the opposite....some guys hate cisco syntax and prefer HP or adtran etc etc.

So Again I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, just telling you what I have hard from OUR devs. Not that it is right or wrong...

I dunno I suck at explaining things but i hope what I am saying makes sense.


You should have seen me trying to explain what i needed for the look mechanics for the XIM one day...our developer was like..ARE YOU HIGH??? @#$% ARE YOU TALIING ABOUT??? etc etc...I finally got them working on it...but now with E3 coming up the yare far too busy :D
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 11:02 AM - 05/30/13
I just wonder Ninja what you were talking about when you said the nextgen Xbox will be so amazing having insight NDA stuff blabla. Right now it’s a piece of hardware I will just walk by in the store like the Nintendo stuff.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: NinjaX2 on 11:20 AM - 05/30/13
What are you talking about ?

That is simply my opinion. It isn't fact. I do however thing and solely believe that the xbox wil lcome out on top, and outsell the PS4. I do also know that some of the PS4's biggest exclusives are not exclusive anymore..while xbox is picking up a bunch of new ones.

XBL imo is far superior to the crap that playstation runs...etc. But again it is all opinion.


I will own both consoles..I always do.

But when it comes to numbers. XBOX as always will be superior, and make more money.

If you want to base it on hardware meh..slight differences.

I would say it comes down to game selection and online experience. If you want to cry about the inability to sell your games used or buy games used. Then dont buy an xbox.

I do however believe this will be a far smaller problem than most want to believe. I say screw gamestop and their employees if you ask me.

I will own both consoles..and I will have the best of both worlds. :)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 11:26 AM - 05/30/13
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What are you talking about ?

Oh I dont want to dig it up too lazy, never mind.

Quote
I will own both consoles..and I will have the best of both worlds.

Its your job sure you will need both I see a lot of us having none of them and this could be a PC and/or Steambox revival.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: NinjaX2 on 11:31 AM - 05/30/13
Its not MY job..I am not a developer! I am a Sr. Network engineer.

I support everything these games run on and connect too. The entire backend.

The only reason i would have these consoles is to play games lol not because its my job!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 11:32 AM - 05/30/13
You should have seen me trying to explain what i needed for the look mechanics for the XIM one day...our developer was like..ARE YOU HIGH??? @#$% ARE YOU TALIING ABOUT??? etc etc...I finally got them working on it...but now with E3 coming up the yare far too busy :D

You should ask obsiv if he could provide sample code or a theory of how it should work.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 11:36 AM - 05/30/13
I am sure Obsiv could give the parameters that make the XIM work perfectly and at the same time make standards impossible to play. A XIM exclusive if you want.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: NinjaX2 on 11:38 AM - 05/30/13
You should have seen me trying to explain what i needed for the look mechanics for the XIM one day...our developer was like..ARE YOU HIGH??? @#$% ARE YOU TALIING ABOUT??? etc etc...I finally got them working on it...but now with E3 coming up the yare far too busy :D

You should ask obsiv if he could provide sample code or a theory of how it should work.

He has given me all I need, and the information is there. It is hard to explain..for example.World of Tanks that is coming to console.

The look mechanic, and variables for EVEERY SINGLE TANK, also depending on mods..is different. Different acceleration values..different TSL's depending on the vehicle you are in.

ADS and such ALL change with every vehicle. This would make it near impossible to play with an XIM from what I can tell.

But again it is still a work in progress so only time will tell. But I have delivered the information to the ninja devs, but sadly they are being slaughtered with UI work and such at the moment.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 11:40 AM - 05/30/13
You quoted it twice?

I guess I missed the ROFLMAO part?

My guess is he was laughing about this!

"And developers are very strange...but fun...people."

 :D
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: NinjaX2 on 11:49 AM - 05/30/13
You quoted it twice?

I guess I missed the ROFLMAO part?

My guess is he was laughing about this!

"And developers are very strange...but fun...people."

 :D

Well they are...dude they are the only people I know that make 6+ figures / yr here....and look homeless. But they are a blast man...can drink like nobodies business and party hard :D
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PhilAshio on 12:01 PM - 05/30/13
Nah, it's that for months he would vehemently proclaim that the PS4 isn't any easier to develop for than PS3 and after one sentence from a skilled programmer it's "I don't know... maybe the guys I'm hearing from don't know their butts from their elbows."
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 12:09 PM - 05/30/13
I think you guys are making too much of this.... as I said before, games are not developed on XBOX or PS4... they are developed on PC and ported to consoles. Contracts and Deals govern which systems they are ported to - not the ease of the process. If Xbox or PS4 doesnt pay for an "exclusive release" Im guessing they would just port to both systems to keep the largest customer base.

For example, a blockbuster movie is ported to digital / various film reels / imax / 3d / dvd... Once the movie is made the smart move is to distribute to as many markets as possible. It doesn't matter how hard the process is. We're not talking about iphone games, we're talking about big gaming studios.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: NinjaX2 on 12:18 PM - 05/30/13
Again it is harder for them to program for the PS4 than the PS3...again though you dolt, it is what the yare TELLING ME. I have said this 10000x. It has nothing to do with me and my opinion.

They simply stated that the process has changed ,and the yhate it..they have processes and build machines and scripts and plans for development on PS4.

These games are developed specifically for console not necessarily on pc and ported.

The code is compiled and sent to a file that is only readable by the xbox or the emulator on the machine, but the same still applies.

It is a pain for them to develop for the PS4 compared to the PS3...yet you keep asking me why and my answer is the same.

I AM NOT A DEVELOPER. I know like...very vey very basic crap. I almost failed C++ in college..and made one hello world and crappy snake game in visual basic 6?

I am not a developer. My credentials mean nothing and my opinion is solely an opinion. If you want to interpret what other people tell me, and what I am assuming as fact that is on you.

I am however very direct with they have told me over and over the PS4 is a pain in the butt for them to develop for. Why ? I don't freaking know.

Again..relaying information I have heard. I never onse stated or told anyone that it was a FAC. Just that developers have told me and still DO tell me it is a pain in the butt.

Its noe because they do not know what the yare doing, but at the same time it is just because things have probably changed outside of the norm. Again all of it is irrelevent considering they wont be devving for the PS4 anymore anyways.

Can I make it any more clear, than even when I did in my original post?

I AM NOT A DEVELOPER BUT THIS IS WHAT I HAVE HEARD / BEEN TOLD REPEATEDLY BY PEOPLE WHO DEVELOP FOR THESE CONSOLES FOR A LIVING.

TO someone like OBsIV maybe it is easier? Again I cant tell you because I DO NOT CODE.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: facade on 12:39 PM - 05/30/13
Again it is harder for them to program for the PS4 than the PS3...again though you dolt, it is what the yare TELLING ME. I have said this 10000x. It has nothing to do with me and my opinion.

They simply stated that the process has changed ,and the yhate it..they have processes and build machines and scripts and plans for development on PS4.

These games are developed specifically for console not necessarily on pc and ported.

The code is compiled and sent to a file that is only readable by the xbox or the emulator on the machine, but the same still applies.

It is a pain for them to develop for the PS4 compared to the PS3...yet you keep asking me why and my answer is the same.

I AM NOT A DEVELOPER. I know like...very vey very basic crap. I almost failed C++ in college..and made one hello world and crappy snake game in visual basic 6?

I am not a developer. My credentials mean nothing and my opinion is solely an opinion. If you want to interpret what other people tell me, and what I am assuming as fact that is on you.

I am however very direct with they have told me over and over the PS4 is a pain in the butt for them to develop for. Why ? I don't freaking know.

Again..relaying information I have heard. I never onse stated or told anyone that it was a FAC. Just that developers have told me and still DO tell me it is a pain in the butt.

Its noe because they do not know what the yare doing, but at the same time it is just because things have probably changed outside of the norm. Again all of it is irrelevent considering they wont be devving for the PS4 anymore anyways.

Can I make it any more clear, than even when I did in my original post?

I AM NOT A DEVELOPER BUT THIS IS WHAT I HAVE HEARD / BEEN TOLD REPEATEDLY BY PEOPLE WHO DEVELOP FOR THESE CONSOLES FOR A LIVING.

TO someone like OBsIV maybe it is easier? Again I cant tell you because I DO NOT CODE.

So how long have you been creating games for?

 ;D
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 12:57 PM - 05/30/13
Next topic
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Beezles on 01:04 PM - 05/30/13
yes plz... so uhh.... E3's comin' up soon..
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 01:29 PM - 05/30/13
So..... who's going to do better at E3 Xbox or PS4?

LMAO!!!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 01:38 PM - 05/30/13
I dunno, I think we should ask Ninja, cause hes a developer :)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 01:51 PM - 05/30/13
AMD will win E3. Guaranteed.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Chance on 02:01 PM - 05/30/13
So..... who's going to do better at E3 Xbox or PS4?

LMAO!!!

PS4.

Because with XB1 lending someone a game & to play it they have to pay a @#$% FEE.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 02:07 PM - 05/30/13
It's all about the Wii-U, fools....
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 02:29 PM - 05/30/13
It's all about the Wii-U, fools....

xenoblade 2 and bayonetta, not a single equal game on ps or xbox :/
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: NinjaX2 on 02:49 PM - 05/30/13
Bleh :/

There is no winner if you ask me. I buy both. I will probably spend a majority of my time on my xbox however.

One..I do not lend my friends games...EVER.

And I do not borrow games if I want it I buy it.

*shrug* Who knows they may have a "rental" option with the games on demand..so you can pay 5 bucks to play a game for a week before you decide to buy it...all of these are possible solutions.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 03:08 PM - 05/30/13
Its about selling them when you are done with them.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Bertuzzi1616 on 03:58 PM - 05/30/13
(You Will Be Able To Trade Xbox One Games Online, Microsoft Says)

Xbox One games will require a one-time activation code to use, but you'll still be able to trade and sell them online, Microsoft tells Kotaku —although we're not 100% clear on the details.

Speaking to us at the big event in Redmond today, Microsoft corporate vice president Phil Harrison clarified a couple of details about the system's used game policy and explained that there will be a solution for people who want to trade games with their friends.

Here's how the system works: when you buy an Xbox One game, you'll get a unique code that you enter when you install that game. You'll have to connect to the Internet in order to authorize that code, and the code can only be used once. Once you use it, that game will then be linked to your Xbox Live account. "It sits on your harddrive and you have permission to play that game as long as you’d like," Harrison said.

Other users on the console will be able to play that game as well, Harrison said. So you don't need to buy multiple games per family. "With the built-in parental controls of the system it is shared amog the users of the device," he said.

But what if you want to bring a game disc to a friend's house and play there? You'll have to pay a fee —and not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that game—in order to use a game's code on a friend's account. Think of it like a new game, Harrison said.

"The bits that are on that disc, you can give it to your friend and they can install it on an Xbox One," he said. "They would then have to purchase the right to play that game through Xbox Live."

"They would be paying the same price we paid, or less?" we asked.

"Let’s assume it’s a new game, so the answer is yes, it will be the same price," Harrison said.

But that doesn't mean used games are dead. In fact, Harrison told us, you'll be able to sell your Xbox One games online.

"We will have a solution—we’re not talking about it today—for you to be able to trade your previously-played games online," Harrison said.

The Xbox exec wouldn't give further details on how this system will work, but we're assuming that once you're done with a game, you can trade the code online and it will be erased from your machine. But what will you get? Other games? Microsoft Points?

No matter how the final system works, it is not likely to please GameStop, the world's biggest buyer and seller of used video games, but it could be a tantalizing way to share games with your friends in the virtual space.

Update - Microsoft's Larry Hryb has issued the following clarification:

Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend’s house –should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile.

What this means is that if you take a game to a friend's house and try to play the game on their system using their account, you'll need to pay. If you take it to their house and try to play it on their system using your account, you won't need to pay.

In other words: playing while you're there is free. If you want to lend it to them for a few days/weeks? They'll have to pay.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BroTsla on 06:05 PM - 05/30/13
So..... who's going to do better at E3 Xbox or PS4?

LMAO!!!

PS4.

Because with XB1 lending someone a game & to play it they have to pay a @#$% FEE.

Yeah but I wont be surprised if PS4 has some sort of DRM in place as well. I mean they haven't clarified exactly how they're handling second hand games(All they said was you can still play used games, which is no different than xb1), and with all the rumors, I'm guessing you'll have to pay a fee as well. If it's one area that Sony and Microsoft can agree on is that they can make more money by eliminating 'used' games.. I doubt one system will let you play used games(without a fee) while another is completely against it. It would be too much of an competitive advantage I feel. Though I do hope PS4 has zero restrictions on used games, I don't think it's likely to happen. I guess will learn more at E3.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: gahagafaka on 07:38 PM - 05/30/13
Bleh :/

There is no winner if you ask me. I buy both. I will probably spend a majority of my time on my xbox however.

One..I do not lend my friends games...EVER.

And I do not borrow games if I want it I buy it.

*shrug* Who knows they may have a "rental" option with the games on demand..so you can pay 5 bucks to play a game for a week before you decide to buy it...all of these are possible solutions.


pretty much came in here to say this

but im not sure which I will be maining... may be a 33/33/33 split between pc, xbone, and ps4 from the looks of it :/

thats a hell of a lot of good gaming if you ask me, I don't really get siding with corps because they don't side with you lol
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: DrCube on 11:53 AM - 05/31/13
So..... who's going to do better at E3 Xbox or PS4?

LMAO!!!

PS4.

Because with XB1 lending someone a game & to play it they have to pay a @#$% FEE.

Yeah but I wont be surprised if PS4 has some sort of DRM in place as well. I mean they haven't clarified exactly how they're handling second hand games(All they said was you can still play used games, which is no different than xb1), and with all the rumors, I'm guessing you'll have to pay a fee as well. If it's one area that Sony and Microsoft can agree on is that they can make more money by eliminating 'used' games.. I doubt one system will let you play used games(without a fee) while another is completely against it. It would be too much of an competitive advantage I feel. Though I do hope PS4 has zero restrictions on used games, I don't think it's likely to happen. I guess will learn more at E3.

I think BroTsla is exactly right. Through the XBone's reveal I kept thinking that Microsoft was ceding a massive advantage to the PS4 by doing away with or massively restricting the sale/trade of used games. It would drive a lot of gamers to the PS4 but I now believe that Sony has a similar system or plan with the PS4. The giveaway is not just their lack of specifics on the matter. The giveaway is EA and their termination of online passes. People are seeing EA's axing of online passes as a good thing but there's a hidden message. EA did it for all platforms (not just Xbox) and EA wouldn't do this unless there was another solution for used games. I'll bet Sony's system makes it optional (i.e. leaves it up to the developer/publisher) that way Sony can say "they" don't restrict used games. Of course, Sony knows that all devs will make use of this feature but in the meantime Sony can keep such details in their pocket and let Microsoft take all the upfront public relations heat.

I am primarily a multiplayer/coop gamer so the online community (Live/PSN) is what I care about. I care about my friends list. I go where my friends are. I go where the communities are the largest and have the most active player base/populations and right now that's Xbox Live. I assumed the console that permitted unrestricted used game sales would eventually end up having the larger, healthier online population. This was looking to be the PS4, but now I believe the PS4 will have strong restrictive DRM so I am back to square one.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 02:21 PM - 05/31/13
Everyone keeps listing and picking on the negative or perceived negatives of the XB1 while completely ignoring the fact that those very same issues will likely be present in the PS4. Of course no one has a complete picture ... because all those juicy details aren't available until E3.

Stop coming up with wild conjecture and learn a little patients FFS.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 02:30 PM - 05/31/13
Everyone keeps listing and picking on the negative or perceived negatives of the XB1 while completely ignoring the fact that those very same issues will likely be present in the PS4. Of course no one has a complete picture ... because all those juicy details aren't available until E3.

Stop coming up with wild conjecture and learn a little patients FFS.

ZOMG BUT WE HAVE TO PAY TO PLAY GAMES!!!11!  HOW DARE THEY DO THAT TO US!!1
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Chance on 02:45 PM - 05/31/13
It's all about the Wii-U, fools....

xenoblade 2 and bayonetta, not a single equal game on ps or xbox :/

Well, the 360 had Bayonetta. :P
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 03:47 PM - 05/31/13
Everyone keeps listing and picking on the negative or perceived negatives of the XB1 while completely ignoring the fact that those very same issues will likely be present in the PS4. Of course no one has a complete picture ... because all those juicy details aren't available until E3.

Stop coming up with wild conjecture and learn a little patients FFS.

(http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/208987-1/Dramatic-cat-shocked-reaction.gif?) (http://forgifs.com)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 04:14 PM - 05/31/13
It's all about the Wii-U, fools....

lol.

This happened at a studio recently:

(http://i.imgur.com/UT350bJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 04:17 PM - 05/31/13

ZOMG BUT WE HAVE TO PAY TO PLAY GAMES!!!11!  HOW DARE THEY DO THAT TO US!!1
Say What!!!

(http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/76211-3/Reporter_faints.gif?) (http://forgifs.com)
Havin fun with Gifs today hahah....
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 04:22 PM - 05/31/13
Did she faint or is this a sketch?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 04:27 PM - 05/31/13
sketched, but it still cracks me up, especially when that thing falls on her head (its a dummy  ;))

thought it was fitting with some of the reactions around Pay to Play haha..
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Chance on 04:34 PM - 05/31/13
It's all about the Wii-U, fools....

lol.

This happened at a studio recently:

(http://i.imgur.com/UT350bJ.jpg)

LOL!!

That proves just how valuable it is to some.  :o
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 07:49 PM - 05/31/13
So both consoles are available on Amazon for pre order at £599

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 02:32 AM - 06/01/13
So both consoles are available on Amazon for pre order at £599

They both also say that those aren't the official prices.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 12:49 PM - 06/01/13
thats how the xbox one controller should actually look like ;)

(http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/a3YvY13_700b_v1.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Chance on 12:52 PM - 06/01/13
Yeah, that's XB1! :P
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: DrCube on 03:24 PM - 06/01/13
Well look at this. Sony officially states that THEY will not enforce used game DRM but will leave the option up to the publishers.

http://tech2.in.com/news/console/sony-officially-states-that-playstation-4-will-not-have-drm-against-used-games/875088

"According to Yoshida, "At a roundtable this morning, Sony's game studios chief, Shuhei Yoshida, told reporters that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that."

Sony knows full well that publishers, especially the big ones like EA or Ubisoft, will make use of such a feature but Sony can tip toe around the issue by stating to the press that "they" don't require it.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Ryoga on 04:53 PM - 06/01/13
Nice. I wonder if EA will re-introduce the online pass for PS4?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 06:06 PM - 06/01/13
Why wouldnt they?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ABigDeal on 08:25 PM - 06/01/13
Well look at this. Sony officially states that THEY will not enforce used game DRM but will leave the option up to the publishers.

http://tech2.in.com/news/console/sony-officially-states-that-playstation-4-will-not-have-drm-against-used-games/875088

"According to Yoshida, "At a roundtable this morning, Sony's game studios chief, Shuhei Yoshida, told reporters that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that."

Sony knows full well that publishers, especially the big ones like EA or Ubisoft, will make use of such a feature but Sony can tip toe around the issue by stating to the press that "they" don't require it.

thats a big sales pitch for ps4, just whether or not publishers want to use it. With Microsoft's used game policy, as compulsory, who is the $ going to? Microsoft or the publishers? I'd Imagine Microsoft would be getting a good chunk of it or they wouldn't be making it compulsory.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 08:26 PM - 06/01/13
sure they will, like they EA would miss out on any potential dollar they can do lol




here the full interview with Yoshida:

- no initial DRM for used games
- PS4 can be completely used without internet
- no initial online game registration (kinda results out of above lol)


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=60460101&postcount=1
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 09:22 PM - 06/01/13
What maybe is not very evident yet, without the used game market it will be impossible to buy games below half price no matter how old the game is. Check Xbox live the prices are insane dont expect any different with the Xbox One.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 02:02 AM - 06/02/13
there's already DRM on playstion 3. the now dead. ea sports online pass. introduced 2010.

you paid $13usd (or more) to activate your EA game's online play *if* you didn't have the CD key that shipped with the game (or you swapped the license). that generated 10 million in the first year. you've got Sony, THQ, Ubisoft & Activision still actively using similar stuff.

this is a great move. now instead of money grubbing publishing houses setting prices, we get an industry wide flat rate.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 08:28 PM - 06/02/13
a killzone developer just revealed that the ps4 will let you choose your prefered resolution

killzone shadow fall will offer 1080p @ 30 fps for the fancy gfx people
and 720p @ 60 fps for the smooth gameplay folks

pretty nice if you ask me, although i wonder for why 1080p on 60fps shouldnt be doable with those specs
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: royoverinnan on 05:21 AM - 06/04/13
To choose resolution and frames pr second is a great feature.
Although the best is 1080 and 60 fps, it is nice to have the choice.

I will choose 60 fps over 1080 resolution.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 06:07 AM - 06/04/13
a killzone developer just revealed that the ps4 will let you choose your prefered resolution

killzone shadow fall will offer 1080p @ 30 fps for the fancy gfx people
and 720p @ 60 fps for the smooth gameplay folks

pretty nice if you ask me, although i wonder for why 1080p on 60fps shouldnt be doable with those specs
Now I really did not think 60 frames would be an issue for next gen consoles. Pretty standard on PC gaming for dunno maybe  2 years?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BionicTbag on 12:47 PM - 06/04/13
makes me want to look into a 720p 3D tv  on the cheap.


what would you suggest?


I can get a samsung 55 inch 3d 240hrz tv at costco for $2100




a bit more than I want t o spend...


You can also got a 75 inch for about $4500
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 12:52 PM - 06/04/13
makes me want to look into a 720p 3D tv  on the cheap.


what would you suggest?


I can get a samsung 55 inch 3d 240hrz tv at costco for $2100




a bit more than I want t o spend...


You can also got a 75 inch for about $4500

I spotted a small typo.

"3D"

You'll want to omit that bit.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BionicTbag on 12:53 PM - 06/04/13
yeah, why?


is 3D bad for gaming?  I thought that it was the new age @#$%...


perhaps this bad boy then?


SHARP AQUOS 90" Class 1080P 120Hz Full Array LED Smart 3D HDTV LC90LE745U (http://www.costco.com/.product.990745.html)Item # 990745$2,200 OFF & Free Shipping


http://www.costco.com/.product.990745.html (http://www.costco.com/.product.990745.html)


a mere $9,699.99

here is a 70 inch vizio for less than two grand
http://www.costco.com/.product.100015771.html?cm_sp=RichRelevance-_-itempageVerticalRight-_-MultiItemViewCP&cm_vc=itempageVerticalRight|MultiItemViewCP (http://www.costco.com/.product.100015771.html?cm_sp=RichRelevance-_-itempageVerticalRight-_-MultiItemViewCP&cm_vc=itempageVerticalRight|MultiItemViewCP)

Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 12:55 PM - 06/04/13
yeah, why?


is 3D bad for gaming?  I thought that it was the new age @#$%...

It's complete crap. A passing fad. Lag for dayz.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BionicTbag on 12:56 PM - 06/04/13
thanks for the heads up.. do you have a suggestion from what costco offers?



Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 01:39 PM - 06/04/13
On my buddies 3d lg blops 2 had close to if not more than a second of lag. Be careful with that.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BionicTbag on 02:00 PM - 06/04/13
eeeeeeeeew
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 02:06 PM - 06/04/13
Ill agree with rook on 3D. Major broadcasting networks (including us) are giving it up / canceling channels / stopping from broadcasting major events in 3D.... Its going down fast.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 05:11 PM - 06/04/13
oh boy, i laughed so hard on the following stuff
xbox one going to fail so miserably...(http://smilies.kurisutaru.net/Pangya/Smilies/Normal/032.gif)


apparently pretty much the entire XBOX ONE Reveal was faked to its finest, to at least showcase something nice to the audience
well imo not a single thing was impressive in that reveal but thats just my personal oppinion
halo 3 E3 reveal comes into my mind again!

even better:
the TV function that they boasted around so much is lagging so hard, its unreal
absolutly unusable if it remains that way, i definitely want to watch NFL that way(http://smilies.kurisutaru.net/Pangya/Smilies/Normal/032.gif)
oh wait, i hate NFL but still...
 
so funny lol, how can microsoft agree to such an interview where you can see how bad the implementation actaully is?
faceplam to its finest, but look on your own


read here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=576505


GIF @ smooth 30fps:
(http://i.minus.com/ibqdrfIUSn00AV.gif)


actual video where the huge lag can be seen

http://www.youtube.com/v/ifa9Q7ATfVA&hd=1
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 05:25 PM - 06/04/13
hit a new page so people dont skip this

oh boy, i laughed so hard on the following stuff
xbox one going to fail so miserably...(http://smilies.kurisutaru.net/Pangya/Smilies/Normal/032.gif)


apparently pretty much the entire XBOX ONE Reveal was faked to its finest, to at least showcase something nice to the audience
well imo not a single thing was impressive in that reveal but thats just my personal oppinion
halo 3 E3 reveal comes into my mind again!

even better:
the TV function that they boasted around so much is lagging so hard, its unreal
absolutly unusable if it remains that way, i definitely want to watch NFL that way(http://smilies.kurisutaru.net/Pangya/Smilies/Normal/032.gif)
oh wait, i hate NFL but still...
 
so funny lol, how can microsoft agree to such an interview where you can see how bad the implementation actaully is?
faceplam to its finest, but look on your own


read here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=576505


GIF @ smooth 30fps:
(http://i.minus.com/ibqdrfIUSn00AV.gif)


actual video where the huge lag can be seen

http://www.youtube.com/v/ifa9Q7ATfVA&hd=1


oh and for the guys claiming that the lag due to an unfinished programm - as the woman said early built

who on earth being in charge at microsoft would allow an interview then where you can see unfinished footage that does anything but positive advertise?
i mean read the youtube comments or the gaf, not a single positive comment in there lmao
makes no sense at all

either way, theres definitely something going wrong in the microsoft xbox department!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 06:00 PM - 06/04/13
oh and for the guys claiming that the lag due to an unfinished programm - as the woman said early built

who on earth being in charge at microsoft would allow an interview then where you can see unfinished footage that does anything but positive advertise?
i mean read the youtube comments or the gaf, not a single positive comment in there lmao
makes no sense at all

either way, theres definitely something going wrong in the microsoft xbox department!

So the Xbox will suck b/c an early build has slow video when it's "snapped" or w/e you call it?  Because, you know, that has a ton to do with how it plays games and everything  ::)

Logic, man....  use it.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 06:09 PM - 06/04/13
Odin, everything we've seen from both sides is unfinished. Both companies are crunching right now. I'm not surprised to see an unfinished feature.

What you see on neogaf are ill informed people jumping onboard a hate train before they can make an informed decision. This seems to be the popular stance right now.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 07:06 PM - 06/04/13
Going to say this one last time:

(http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu284/PublicZz/Untitled-4.png)

What isn't sinking in?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 11:12 PM - 06/04/13
Oh I like new info brought in before the E3 will reveal full crappness. M$ is so big in adding features no one needs just because no one else has them. I see this from windows version to windows version. Metro surface was the last braindamaged move. I cant imagine a weak PC system, that the ONE is, working well with the crappy OS8 that is running at all time and sits in the system like this:

(http://hipsterjew.com/files/2011/06/images.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Mr Drood on 06:35 AM - 06/05/13
I think it has less to do with features and more to do with where your friends end up. I know that most of the people I play with will choose Xbox One, thus that's where I will end up.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 08:09 AM - 06/05/13
Yes the Xbox hate train is a rollin haha...

Like it or not used game sales will be a thing of the past in the near future. With everything eventually becoming downloads, etc. I actually give props to M$ for atleast being straight up about their intentions, it may not be a wise decision but they're the industry leader so they took the lead, kudos! Then there's Sony still wearing their sheep skin hiding behind comments like "we'll leave it up to the publishers" knowing full well that the pubs will practically demand it! Seriously, don't kid yourselves Sony will eventually unzip and the train will just keep a Rollin! In the mean time I will more then likely spend the majority of my time on Xbox Live with the cloud and their 300,000 servers. Although I will have a PS4 as well.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 08:33 AM - 06/05/13
oh and for the guys claiming that the lag due to an unfinished programm - as the woman said early built

who on earth being in charge at microsoft would allow an interview then where you can see unfinished footage that does anything but positive advertise?
i mean read the youtube comments or the gaf, not a single positive comment in there lmao
makes no sense at all

either way, theres definitely something going wrong in the microsoft xbox department!

So the Xbox will suck b/c an early build has slow video when it's "snapped" or w/e you call it?  Because, you know, that has a ton to do with how it plays games and everything  ::)

Logic, man....  use it.

and you surely should start to read my posts properly ffs


the fail is that the people in charge showcase a software that isnt even half finished
if you showcase something you definitely want to use the very best built you have at that time, which in their case is an early built as the micosoft correspondant says

that means that any newer built either doesnt run stable or isnt ready to showcase, maybe works even worse
one of the two must be the reason or else the people in charge are just plain stupid
which imo they are, the console compared to the PS4 doesnt see any land at all


now to answer your question
the entire xbox presentation was 60% based on TV
the guy most likely said this word 150 times during the show
its a multifunctional console now rather than a gaming console heavily based on tv

now a week or two after the repesentation, you see in an actual unfaked but plausible scenario how blantantly the function fails
almost 2 seconds delay in the EPG, my tv can refresh the EPG in ~20 milliseconds
5 fps framerate in the preview window, the EPG of my tv has none

how on earth isnt it valid to say then that the xbox one sucks?!
i mean the xbox has 3 gig DDR3 dedicated to the OS alone with an 8 core cpu on top
my TV most likely has like 500mhz cpu if best and can do the very same but better lol

and secondly, i never said in my previous post that the xbox fails in games, you just added that to your comment without any real relation to my post lol

and yes this has something to do with how the game plays
if even an easy function like the TV system doesnt work right now, how can you expect to run the games properly?
its like half a year to the initial release, you should expect much better results by now
looks pretty unfinished if you ask me

you couldve answered this all by reading my post!





@ roads

yeah i absolutly agree
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 09:40 AM - 06/05/13
most laughable thing is the claim that we can get 3x the power of the xbox one through cloud computing.. Ofcourse, you can just stream 16 cpu cores and 2 dedicated graphics cards through DSL..

The scenario that theyve described with cloud computing "like letting the cloud calculate the lighthning angles in a level so you can reduce loading times ..." etc. doesnt make much sense either to me. You can optimize the actual system to calculate such things parallel to other things, when theres not too much load ingame. etc.

Either way it must be nonsense, since it would be unprofitable from economical standpoint. They sell 1 console with barely any profit, why on earth would they maintain cloud computers for every user for additional computing power? The console has basically enough power as it stands. You dont really believe that MS will gift ppl additional computing power, do you? Its a lose/lose situation for them. Either way you look at it- if they want to have additional power- its just cheaper to invest in a stronger cpu/gpu rather than maintaining cloud computers for additional computing tasks.

So far theyve only talked about cloud computing with theoretical scenarios (the show with major nelson after x1 reveal), none of which actually made much sense to have those tasks outsourced to cloud computers to start with. They didnt show or name one exact scenario where a console would benefit from such gimmicks in particular.

But hey i understand- in the future we will only need 1 monitor with an internet connection, and we will stream the pc from the internet to our house. heck what am i writing, we will stream the monitor from the itnernet as well.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 09:51 AM - 06/05/13
I think the collective fear is that the XBone will be a jack of all trades, master of none.  And since we here are all crazy dedicated gamers, knowing that PS4 seems to be catering (at this point at least) to our crowd it seems like a better option possibly. 

If their online backbone improves, with the hardware specs they have / smaller OS footprint / *some* developers claiming it doesn't suck to program for any longer / etc / there's a good chance that Sony may regain the proverbial gaming throne. 

As for E3, of course MS will show a ton of games, as will Sony.  Both wil have new IPs, and both will have a ton of stuff cross-platform.  (Prepare for a ton of Sony fanboy "look, PS4 has less jaggies in the upper right hand corner so it's clearly better than XBone" crap.) 

As I've said a million times, graphics are on the low end of the care spectrum for me.  Innovative games and good control / little online lag FAR outweigh a little tearing or jaggies here or there. 

Time will tell.


Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 11:51 AM - 06/05/13
The reason you can't say it sucks is the same reason you can't say the PS4 sucks - they aren't out, there's been no hands on, and the few details we get are incomplete and scrapped together from across the internet (and largely from sources looking to discredit aka biased).

Mountains out of mole-hills.

Wait till E3.

Stop being determined to hate the XB1.


Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 12:20 PM - 06/05/13
I think the One will suck badly.

(http://polpix.sueddeutsche.com/polopoly_fs/1.1679726.1369332459!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/900x600/image.jpg)

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Beezles on 01:15 PM - 06/05/13
so far, i'm leaning towards PS4, but there will be a clean slate right before E3 comes out.  i'll weigh out my options then.  Even so, i still won't get the console on release day and wait maybe a month to see comparisons online between the two.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: NinjaX2 on 01:53 PM - 06/05/13
Uhh No offense but in the gaming industry stuff fails at demos all the time (the first few days of E3 behind closed doors this happens all the time) There have been events where the sony playstatio ncrashed on stage...and a microsoft windows product bluee screened on stage.

unfortunatly it is just a risk you take.

You have to understand times to do these demos and itnerviews is limited. You want the space, but at the same time your product is not ready? You test it the best you can and pull the trigger. SOmetimes a feature got missed in testing, or something is bugged and someone missed it.

It happens. You think anyone will lose thier jobs over it? Nope...because people behind the scenes actually understand the process.

If everyone wanted ot wait to reveal something until it was 100% finished..you would still be waiting for the reveal...most people wouldnt have even seen the new xbox until it was on shelves.

But there are publishers..advertisers...sponsors..tons of money tied up in these things, and the dates are set in stone.

You do it and your ready...or your not. ANd quite frankly a lot of times the deadlines are outrageous. And no person regardless of skill level will have 100% finished in time.


E3 we are the premeiere on stage release with MS. Know how many times we have had the opportunity to test the build they will be displaying of our product???

Zero.

Because it won't be finished  until the day before the reveal...

Again people who are not informed on these things like to say "wait until its finished" but this is not an option. E3 etc does not change their dates because you need to finish something.


So you take the chances of revealing and or displaying something, when all the press etc etc is there. It will work or it wont.

Or your other option is to miss out on the media and such that said events and interviews provide.

I am just saying that sometimes. You just gotta roll the dice. ANd it works out for the better more often than not. All that failed here is one feature. Easily fixed by release. its not that big of a deal.

Generally half the crap you see on stage is untested. Or it was tested and there was a bug..someone made a change to try and fix it..but the fix wasnt tested...that could also end badly etc etc.

Just a lot to take into account. People are however entiteld to their assumptions and opinions. And I also agree in part...that everything being revelaed should be tested fully to the best of its ability. THis is inline with your argument.

What I add to the end of that is "within the timeframe provided"

Granted these timelines can be quite unrealistic.

Like the network cutover I did here in the office was a massive undertaking on short notice..very little planning etc. And could have brought the entire company to its knees.

I finished the configuration and installation as people were walking through the door to work monday morning. I hadn't tested anything. It all worked flawlessly. This could have also gone terribly wrong and nothing worked as intened if I had missed even one piece.

On one hand I am an IT Ninja and saved the day and looked amazing. But at the same time on the other hand if it had failed. I would have been the jackass, brought the company to its knees. I had poor planning and didn't test etc etc etc.

Unfortunatly deadlines are double edged swords.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Old Man Jeanty on 06:43 PM - 06/05/13
Planetside 2 on PS4???? Sold. Can't wait for that to drop with XIM support. Idk much about DC online universe tho

http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/53737/ps4-nabs-planetside-2-dc-online-universe
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Beezles on 07:32 AM - 06/06/13
Just got a confirmation from Major Nelson via twitter:
Quote from: MajorNelson
Larry Hryb @majornelson
When you plug the #XboxOne controller in via mini USB, that turns the radios off & all data is sent down the wire mjr.mn/13cRy09

That link points here: http://majornelson.com/2013/06/06/more-details-about-xbox-one-controller/
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 07:35 AM - 06/06/13
good find guys. things are looking up :)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 08:53 AM - 06/06/13
I don't think it can be any clearer than that.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Rambos_BFF on 09:06 AM - 06/06/13
This is awesome news.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mikael on 09:57 AM - 06/06/13
Anyone confirmed that the ps4 will be able to do the same?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: McNappa on 10:04 AM - 06/06/13
This can only be good news. However , Sony is embracing free 2 play. Warframe is coming to ps4 but not xbox one. Lets see what e3 holds
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: GreyMouser on 10:07 AM - 06/06/13
Just got a confirmation from Major Nelson via twitter:
Quote from: MajorNelson
Larry Hryb @majornelson
When you plug the #XboxOne controller in via mini USB, that turns the radios off & all data is sent down the wire mjr.mn/13cRy09

That link points here: http://majornelson.com/2013/06/06/more-details-about-xbox-one-controller/
(http://i.imgur.com/4ebx3O4.gif)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 10:27 AM - 06/06/13
This can only be good news. However , Sony is embracing free 2 play. Warframe is coming to ps4 but not xbox one. Lets see what e3 holds


Have you played warframe? It's terrible, generic, pay to win. it's good to see them accepting other models like f2p though, maybe tf2 will see a refresh on consoles.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: McNappa on 10:54 AM - 06/06/13
This can only be good news. However , Sony is embracing free 2 play. Warframe is coming to ps4 but not xbox one. Lets see what e3 holds


Have you played warframe? It's terrible, generic, pay to win. it's good to see them accepting other models like f2p though, maybe tf2 will see a refresh on consoles.

Try playing it again. There has been a hell of a lot of new content added including clan dojos. Warframe is awesome .
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 04:33 PM - 06/06/13
pretty informative and interesting read:

1)
here a statement from xbox on how the once in 24h requirement really works
it can be also once every hour in a certain case

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/connected

Quote
With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies. 
In areas where an Ethernet connection is not available, you can connect using mobile broadband.




2)
how the game trading is going to work
looks better than expected

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license

Quote
Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.



3)
here some infos on how kinect will record and film your living room
sounds a bit too positive for what it actually does, but read it on your own

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/privacy




4)
and last but not least a pretty bitter information on the GPU raw power

not 100% confirmed as stuff like that wont be officially confirmed for a certain reason, but as people claim the GPU output can only get up to 900 Flops
with the information from kotaku that the xbox one can only access 90% of the GPU for games due to the rest being reserved for the OS (~810 Flops then), the PS4 with 1,84 TFLOPS has 227%  the power of the xbox one...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=576869

(i know mist you re not a fan of neogaf, but i thought this is interesting even though its just a rumour)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Xog on 05:14 PM - 06/06/13
yo

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xboxone/how-it-games

------------
Introducing Smart Match, Xbox One’s revolutionary multiplayer matchmaking system. Completely reengineered for a new generation of gaming, Smart Match uses advanced algorithms to pair players based on skill, language, and now reputation. That means you play people that are most like you.

And best of all, you no longer have to wait in lobbies while a match is found. Feel free to play a game, watch TV, or listen to music while we find your perfect match. Then you can jump in instantly.
And thanks to the power of the cloud, your favorite matches are always running behind the scenes, so you can quickly find the people you like to play with most.
-------------

Would be nice if they didn't use a picture showing how they match a player from each continent to one server. LOL
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 05:26 PM - 06/06/13
I saw that on reddit this morning, interesting.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 07:08 PM - 06/06/13
Why the hell can't we just see a ping #, number of players / number openings, and choose the lowest based on game type ? 

Seriously -- I don't get this stuff -- why can't it happen on console like on PC?  P2P -vs- dedicated servers? 
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 07:13 PM - 06/06/13
Lol i remeber playing my first cod game on console and going crazy because i couldnt find the server browser.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 08:36 PM - 06/06/13
Take it with a grain of salt as he is PR but Larry Hyrb denied the downclock rumor today.

Quote
Scott Dyer ‏@theScott117 5h
@majornelson  This eSRAM issue i read about on NeoGaf is concerning me. Im pretty sure its not true. Any light u can shed on thus?

 Larry Hryb ‏@majornelson 5h
@theScott117 Definitely not true, I can't respond to every unsourced online rumor . . but that is false.

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: glenn37216 on 12:15 AM - 06/07/13
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/xbox-one-controller-feature

I think my only concern now is at what speeds does the controller send data down the wire while it's plugged in ?
If it is at USB 3.0 speeds.. there could possibly be a communication problem for the Xim.

..."The data transfer rate between the controller and console has been improved, allowing for higher fidelity "


 I'm still hoping the controller reverts to usb 2.0 speeds while plugged into the box..
-Fingers  crossed.    :-\
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 12:26 AM - 06/07/13
Yeah USB 3.0 could mean XIM redesign I guess.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: attila4go on 12:58 AM - 06/07/13
 :D :D :D :D :D

(http://gamepod.hu/dl/upc/2013-06/80679_idiota.thumb.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cn_NoMjuFLc#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cn_NoMjuFLc#!)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:13 AM - 06/07/13
LOL good one.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ABigDeal on 02:30 AM - 06/07/13
I read in some articles that 360 controllers wont work on the one, most likely the usb speed incapability?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 02:34 AM - 06/07/13
I read in some articles that 360 controllers wont work on the one, most likely the usb speed incapability?

Along with the audio enhancements, sensor communications with kinect, and a handful of other things I'm sure.  Assuming, ofc, that the rumor is true.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: attila4go on 02:43 AM - 06/07/13
 :D

Angry joe

(http://gamepod.hu/dl/upc/2013-06/80679_xboxlol.thumb.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryB-hdtpQRw&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryB-hdtpQRw&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: THE-MARAVINGY on 03:39 AM - 06/07/13
I just wish they would both get back to brass tacks they both started life as a Gaming Console so keep them that way.
Most of whats on them both today are not needed, when theres an update let me decide which parts of that update I would like added to my system give me a series of check boxes in a list so I can check off the ones that I don't want.
Like last year Sony pushed out an update including Sing Star ffs seriously its burned into the hard drive and can not be deleted thus taking up space that's not needed as I would never play that game.
And why on earth do I need a facebook app or a youtube app or Netflix, lovefilm why oh and a create photo's on a console really I have never even clicked on any of those things and never will I mean why do I need them when I already have a web browser using bookmarks that's fine that's enough.
TV why do I want it or need it on my console I already have a device connected to my TV which can do all that its called Cable.

Dear MS and Sony,

Please concentrate all resources on making a Gaming Console and not an Entertainment system as the afore mentioned is its primary use.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: glenn37216 on 05:25 AM - 06/07/13
..has anyone heard if Sony has retracted the use of this patent on the Ps4?
(http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/US20130007892A1/US20130007892A1-20130103-D00000.png)
 
http://www.google.com/patents/US20130007892

Hmm .. can't seem to find the article from months back stating Sony had already designed the console around the tech.. Oh well .. only a few days left and all will be revealed.  8)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 06:00 AM - 06/07/13
The smart move from Sony would now be not to use this and not connect the Gamertag with the Game package ID. Otherwise it’s the same @#$% as on the Xbox1.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Chance on 06:13 AM - 06/07/13
:D

Angry joe

(http://gamepod.hu/dl/upc/2013-06/80679_xboxlol.thumb.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryB-hdtpQRw&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryB-hdtpQRw&feature=youtu.be)

I love Angry Joe, always hits the nail on the head! ;D
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: attila4go on 06:29 AM - 06/07/13

I love Angry Joe, always hits the nail on the head! ;D

Best part. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ryB-hdtpQRw#t=687s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ryB-hdtpQRw#t=687s)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: attila4go on 06:39 AM - 06/07/13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TunVj9LwtNw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TunVj9LwtNw)


The new Playstation 4 controller wired ;)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Chance on 06:46 AM - 06/07/13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TunVj9LwtNw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TunVj9LwtNw)


The new Playstation 4 controller wired ;)

That's good! That means it's something that'll help XIM4 work on PS4!  8)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 06:47 AM - 06/07/13
haha angry joe is always a good laugh, he always hits the right points lol



@ attila

wow great, thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Zombieguy on 07:10 AM - 06/07/13
Question: Lets assume we can use the Edge on the PS4.

The controller, can the Edge output enough power for the controller with the lights, LED screen etc..?

I can almost assume we will have to use a USB power supply for the edge.

Again, who knows.

I want to freeze myself....Cartman did it!



Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 07:34 AM - 06/07/13
:D

Angry joe

(http://gamepod.hu/dl/upc/2013-06/80679_xboxlol.thumb.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryB-hdtpQRw&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryB-hdtpQRw&feature=youtu.be)

you can use this to embed video

Code: [Select]
[center][flash=720,480]http://www.youtube.com/v/{VIDEO-ID}&hd=1[/flash][/center]
Add video ID in place of {VIDEO-ID} before posting!

Like this -

http://www.youtube.com/v/ryB-hdtpQRw&feature&hd=1

http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryB-hdtpQRw&feature=youtu.be

The video ID in this case would be highlighted in red above.  ;)

Nice video btw  :)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 08:35 AM - 06/07/13
hahahaha so it was officially confirmed that you have to connect XO to internet once every 24 hours, otherwise u wont be able to play games ;)

And basically that used games will be blocked (the publishers can decide if their games will be able to sell as a used game- in other words it will be close to not existent).

So much to your "wait to e3 and decide then etc.". No thx ms.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/microsoft-confirms-required-24-hour-check-in-for-xbox-one-6409419

http://www.gamespot.com/news/preowned-games-on-xbox-one-decided-by-publisher-6409422
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Acc0rd on 12:32 PM - 06/07/13
Angry joe is amazing, I found this on my own a few days back. Im buying a PS4 for sure, I just hope the XIM will still work for PS. One things for sure im gonna start playing with a controller from here on out to get my old controller skills back again. Ill be right on the list to buy the new XIM for the ps4 if he makes one but till then I still wana play some of the console games. Oh well microsofts loss here, ill still be buying XIM products for sure!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 02:32 PM - 06/07/13
I may still buy both, but I'm with Accord and Odin after this last announcement.  PS4 is a lock for me at this point since I'm drooling for Last of Us / anything Naughty Dog does at this point.   They really have become my favorite developers over this last cycle...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 02:58 PM - 06/07/13
Gotta be careful judging a system before you know the specifics... if you told me that I would be giving up my cable subscription for watching tv/movies online 10 yrs ago I wouldn't believe it. I may have even been reluctant. While we all may want to feel like we just bought something "tangible" , this may be the way of the future. This forum doesn't handle change well, so I don't expect ya'll to agree -- I'm reserving judgement till I try it. 
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Acc0rd on 03:18 PM - 06/07/13
if PS plays the same bs about non resale games etc that xbox is pulling. Ill just say to hell with it and go back to PC fulltime. I like consoles cause i can play with RL friends who cant afford big gaming rigs etc and if the game sucks, I can go dump it on ebay. PC has much better graphics etc, so if im locked in to that game being mine perm, then ill stay with PC solely. I just wish Destiny would be on PC but I think its console only. Oh well time to mow the lawn before work, then try to play some mw3 with just a controller again haha. Noobs r us when I get on the controller, im lucky to keep a 1:1 ratio cause I cant hit tiny @#$% for nothing.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 03:21 PM - 06/07/13
God I hope I like the Xbox One, then I won't have to be on the same platform as these cry babies.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Zombieguy on 03:45 PM - 06/07/13
if PS plays the same bs about non resale games etc that xbox is pulling. Ill just say to hell with it and go back to PC fulltime. I like consoles cause i can play with RL friends who cant afford big gaming rigs etc and if the game sucks, I can go dump it on ebay. PC has much better graphics etc, so if im locked in to that game being mine perm, then ill stay with PC solely. I just wish Destiny would be on PC but I think its console only. Oh well time to mow the lawn before work, then try to play some mw3 with just a controller again haha. Noobs r us when I get on the controller, im lucky to keep a 1:1 ratio cause I cant hit tiny @#$% for nothing.

The sole reason why I went to console is because all my friends have it and no longer play on PC. I don't want to be lonely and I like my friends.. So I have my PS3.

As much as I would love to back to PC and enjoy the sweet eye candy, it would get old and suck. Like any game and or significant other, the cover may look awesome but in the long run you want substance and content.

On a Console note, think about it, all your budies are playing having a great time and you're all alone on your shiney PC..

Stop threatening your own brain that you're going back to console.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Quad Damage on 04:37 PM - 06/07/13
XBONE is out for me.  Tired of Xbox sequels anyway - Halo, Forza, Gears, etc.
Took my XBL Gold sub off of auto-renew today.
Ball is in Sony's court now.  If the DRM isn't too bad, I'll be jumping ship.  It's already supposedly more powerful, and doesn't need to be online.
E3 is going to be too fun to watch.  Can't wait for the megatons.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 05:46 PM - 06/07/13
They both look good, I'm waiting until Christmas and xim support either way

I suspect this is happening here http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-positive-reddit-comments-2013-6
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Xog on 02:52 AM - 06/08/13
Meh, I really have no concern about the xbox one. I've listened to all the hate, I've read all the angry blogs, I see everyone's stance on it.

But none of the points raised even affect me in the slightest. They are actually simulating Steam's store with even better features, like giving someone your copy of your game.

Can you imagine if Steam did that?

My kinect has to be connected. Ok, no problemo. It'll be sitting in the same spot it would be if it were unplugged.

I buy my games on Steam. I own more games for PC than I do for console. Steam is great. I do prefer to have a digital copy rather than a physical copy cluttering up my mess I call an apartment.

I see people complaining about the internet connection required. I have no problem with this. It's plugged in. It's connected. I don't need it for offline gaming. I don't even like offline games.

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 03:27 AM - 06/08/13
Yeah sure Steam does that but you buy steam keys around 30$ and not 60$

Check this Black ops 2 69,90 Euro not dollars. Its out for over half a year! 
http://marketplace.xbox.com/de-DE/Product/Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops-II/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d802415608c3?nosplash=1

Or wanna buy it for 29,70 for Steam? http://inexus.us/call-of-duty/black-ops-ii-steam-cdkey-eu?affiliate=gamekeyfinder

That will be the problem.

Its an EU key and this game is one that holds its price for the longest.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 03:56 AM - 06/08/13
Its just funny... ms did a horrible presentation and even though im leaning towards sony dont you think every retarded deatail ms has described sony will follow suit if it makes them money? Right? Intel releases chipset, AMD Releases chipset with the same specs maybe marginally better... Nvidia releases crazy GPU, AMD releases same spec gpu marginally better, apple releases iphkne 5, samsung releases same spec note 2 with a big screen and marginally better performance.....

Anyone else see a pattern? This is capitalism... this is money for everyone... this is, 'merica!  :P
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 06:28 AM - 06/08/13
xog at least the performance difference should affect you
so far its a guaranteed 66% difference between xbox one and ps4, which if the rumours are right can get up to 227%

you always say 120 fps is what you enjoy the most, i highly doubt you would want to settle for an xbox one to play your favorite game in 30 fps while ps4 offers it in 60 fps or even higher
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 06:59 AM - 06/08/13
Anyone else see a pattern? This is capitalism... this is money for everyone... this is, 'merica!  :P

Haha... Que the Music Please!

 
http://www.youtube.com/v/NteVmdoo1yI&hd=1
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 12:50 PM - 06/08/13
as a US inhabitant you pretty much lose all your privacy rights when buying an xbox one

just read this german article, in which microsoft along with the xbox confirmed that they participate in PRISM programm from NSA/FBI
they (NSA/FBI) can access to all the necessary xbox features when they have a "proper" incident that they want to investigate

man, even the last person must realize that this is NOT a gaming console but a police state device
even if xbox one is the only next gen console with xim compatibility i wont buy it, its just not worth it
im not giving up my human rights to play games

http://kurier.at/politik/ausland/datenskandal-bei-apple-facebook-skype-google-us-regierung-greift-auf-daten-zu/15.029.130

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/c28916081184abfa8e6a09c282941b71/tumblr_mnmghgM6dJ1qk5zuho1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:02 PM - 06/08/13
This is an awesome medical device to watch elderly people if they are OK. HR monitor included
Ill buy one for my dad :)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 01:16 PM - 06/08/13
This is an awesome medical device to watch elderly people if they are OK. HR monitor included
Ill buy one for my dad :)

or if you are a exhibitionist at heart you just stand infront of the xbox one, say "jihad, bin laden, obama" out loudly and you can be sure to have the NSA/FBI guys on the other side of the camera while you do your live strip!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Chance on 01:21 PM - 06/08/13
If that's the case Od1n, I'm DEFINITELY not getting an XB1!
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 01:54 PM - 06/08/13
If that's the case Od1n, I'm DEFINITELY not getting an XB1!
Except its not.

It's paranoid reactionaries hoping on a hate train. The funniest part about it all is that all of the issues that they are blowing out of proportion are going to be present on the PS4.

Meh, whatever.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 01:56 PM - 06/08/13
If that's the case Od1n, I'm DEFINITELY not getting an XB1!

So I assume you're going to get rid of your Facebook, YouTube, Skype, Gmail, and iTunes accounts as well as stop using Google and Bing as your search engines since, you know, you are scared of Prism and everything.  Right?

Or are you just gonna use it as another manufactured reason to hate the Xbox?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 02:09 PM - 06/08/13
If that's the case Od1n, I'm DEFINITELY not getting an XB1!
Except its not.

It's paranoid reactionaries hoping on a hate train. The funniest part about it all is that all of the issues that they are blowing out of proportion are going to be present on the PS4.

Meh, whatever.

uhm where exactly is there any paranoia that isnt waterproof?!
any reliable sources you got that claim differently?!


honestly, the PRISM stuff is so big in my country newspapers right now, and a lot of serious newspapers also grab the microsoft-prism relation next to apple, google and other relations as well
actually the biggest and most reliable newspaper from my country wrote it today too

i honestly see NO point for why its not true
- official patents have been passed
- official microsoft confirmations
- serious journalists do hours of research for their articles

i couldnt care less what console you buy rookcheck, but you shouldnt make people believe its all just hot air
cause its truly not, its real and present



and weather the ps4 will go the same way or not is totally unkown at the moment
all we know so far is that sony playstation eye toy is not part of the ps4 by default therefore its somewhat save to say it works differently from microsoft xbox kinect





here another good article from polygon
nails it pretty well

Quote
After a month of vague corporate comments from Microsoft executives, we now know the Xbox One's game licensing policy was written from the ground up for companies. It's aggressively anti-consumer and anti-middle class, and it outright ignores underprivileged gamers. It's gross, despicable, greedy, pathetic, cowardly and out of touch with a growing global resentment for corporations.

http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/7/4406170/xbox-one-internet-trade-policy
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 02:16 PM - 06/08/13
If that's the case Od1n, I'm DEFINITELY not getting an XB1!

So I assume you're going to get rid of your Facebook, YouTube, Skype, Gmail, and iTunes accounts as well as stop using Google and Bing as your search engines since, you know, you are scared of Prism and everything.  Right?

Or are you just gonna use it as another manufactured reason to hate the Xbox?


just because we already have occupy implementations its ok to add even more of them?
things that are much more severe?

why not have a huge big brother state where we can all see what everyone does 24/7
you really are crazy speagles to say it in an non offensive way
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 02:18 PM - 06/08/13
Drop it Odin let them buy what they want. I dont fear big brother that much as I am too unimportant.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 02:22 PM - 06/08/13
you really are crazy speagles to say it in an non offensive way

Nope, not crazy.  I just believe that fear mongering is one of the most pathetic things somebody can do.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 02:28 PM - 06/08/13
Drop it Odin let them buy what they want. I dont fear big brother that much as I am too unimportant.

yeah you are right
i just always feel like preventing people to buy crap
same thing with the headsets and tritton/astro

i should cut it, arguing in the internet is a lost place tbh
anyhow, im glad if i could manage make some people change their mind

and once again i have to say im truly glad i dont live in the US (regarding PRISM)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 02:29 PM - 06/08/13
“Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you”
― Joseph Heller, Catch-22
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: flst81 on 02:41 PM - 06/08/13
I'm sure I'll get both consoles as usual. They can spy on me if they want. I've got nothing to hide. To me there are already soooo many ways for them to invade my privacy, a few more will not make a difference. That's my personal opinion. I know others don't feel the same and that's cool. I want to play the games and whatever else. If they want to watch me do it then, oh well, they can. If BIG BROTHER wants to watch you they will find a way whether its through a console or not. I believe Verizon already keeps all text messages in a database for a while (which could be a little embarrassing for me :P )   I don't care though. Not to mention all the security cams everywhere on streets and businesses to track my movement if they wanted.
I'm sure someone out there looks at what I purchase through my credit card. In fact I know there is. My credit card company called me to verify I was in possession of my card when they saw I was spending outside my norm. One time I'm glad they do because someone apparently had my number and was using it and I was issued another card. There are pros and cons to being monitored. Sometimes good and other times bad.
On the flip side, 1984 anyone? For you illiterates out there it's a book, jeez try reading some time ;D
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Chance on 02:55 PM - 06/08/13
If that's the case Od1n, I'm DEFINITELY not getting an XB1!

So I assume you're going to get rid of your Facebook, YouTube, Skype, Gmail, and iTunes accounts as well as stop using Google and Bing as your search engines since, you know, you are scared of Prism and everything.  Right?

Or are you just gonna use it as another manufactured reason to hate the Xbox?

Nah, just with Kinect being used like that is merely another reason why I ain't getting an XB1. I had already decided that XB1 isn't happening for me, the FEES to play a game that you have borrowed from a friend is another reason why I'm staying away from One.
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 05:09 PM - 06/08/13
If that's the case Od1n, I'm DEFINITELY not getting an XB1!

So I assume you're going to get rid of your Facebook, YouTube, Skype, Gmail, and iTunes accounts as well as stop using Google and Bing as your search engines since, you know, you are scared of Prism and everything.  Right?

Or are you just gonna use it as another manufactured reason to hate the Xbox?


I thought Odin was the biggest Microsoft fanboy to walk the earth until this thread. You've dethroned him.

I nominate Speagles for Microsoft apologist of the month. Anyone willing to second?
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 05:34 PM - 06/08/13
I thought Odin was the biggest Microsoft fanboy to walk the earth until this thread. You've dethroned him.

I nominate Speagles for Microsoft apologist of the month. Anyone willing to second?

I am not what some people may term as "for the Xbox", but I am strongly against hating on it for reasons that don't matter to me personally or for rumors that haven't been confirmed.  I'm also against using bad logical arguments to try and prove a point.

Person A says they won't buy Xbox b/c they don't want Big Brother spying on them.  Person A then leaves this forum and does a Google search.  Their logic fails and at that point they are just making up reasons to hate Xbox.

Person A also decides to hate Xbox b/c they can't resell their game.  Person A also declares that they're going to build a gaming rig and switch to PC gaming.  Again, an illogical argument.

Hate or love whatever products you want, but ffs at least have a valid reason for it before you try and shove your opinions down other people's throats.

As for me, I'm leaning towards Xbox not because I'm a "fanboy", but b/c they haven't announced anything that affects me enough to make me want to leave my friends (which btw is the only reason I bought a console to begin with).  I don't buy/sell used games.  I have perfect internet service.  I don't fear Big Brother nor am I naive enough to think that there is somebody sitting at Microsoft watching a live feed from my Kinect...  I have no reason to not get Xbox.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 06:53 PM - 06/08/13

and weather the ps4 will go the same way or not is totally unkown at the moment ...



This. This right here.

We know nothing about the PS4 in order to draw solid conclusions about its limitations or privacy concerns or used games or connection to the internet etc.

Just like the Xbox.

And yet you draw out these doom and gloom prognostications. You claim these Orwellian dystopias will come to be, that Fahrenheit 451 is around the corner, that it's the end of gaming as we know it and all we have to do is buy an Xbox for us to sign away our souls.

It's a double standard.

One that you are completely blind to.



It's tiring.
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 11:01 PM - 06/08/13

and weather the ps4 will go the same way or not is totally unkown at the moment ...



This. This right here.

We know nothing about the PS4 in order to draw solid conclusions about its limitations or privacy concerns or used games or connection to the internet etc.

Just like the Xbox.

And yet you draw out these doom and gloom prognostications. You claim these Orwellian dystopias will come to be, that Fahrenheit 451 is around the corner, that it's the end of gaming as we know it and all we have to do is buy an Xbox for us to sign away our souls.

It's a double standard.

One that you are completely blind to.



It's tiring.

Ugh give it a rest rook check. We've known for months that the ps3 was going to be more powerful and that's reason enough to buy it. I refuse to play games at 30fps anymore. Microsoft is focusing too much on non gaming.  Since you are a casual Xbox makes sense for you.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 11:23 PM - 06/08/13
Yeah 30 frames and/or 720p is ridiculous for next gen consoles. We are talking about the next 6 years when on the PC 4K 60 frames will be possible in 2-3 years. But maybe 1080p 60 frames will become standard for a long time as energy consumption is more and more an issue.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 11:25 PM - 06/08/13
I must say Valve has an easy matchball here if they do it right.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:57 AM - 06/09/13
http://video.golem.de/games/10925/castlevania-los-2-pes-2014-metal-gear-solid-5-e3-2013.html

check the MGS5 part and the lights in that game. Was brief but looked completely different. Sorry theres an add before the video.

Also a + for the PS4.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 10:34 AM - 06/09/13
Very neutral and interesting article imo. Summizes all the information (official) that was released so far and kinda opens the eyes about the xbox one.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-07-microsoft-kills-game-ownership-and-expects-us-to-smile
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 10:41 AM - 06/09/13

and weather the ps4 will go the same way or not is totally unkown at the moment ...



This. This right here.

We know nothing about the PS4 in order to draw solid conclusions about its limitations or privacy concerns or used games or connection to the internet etc.

Just like the Xbox.

And yet you draw out these doom and gloom prognostications. You claim these Orwellian dystopias will come to be, that Fahrenheit 451 is around the corner, that it's the end of gaming as we know it and all we have to do is buy an Xbox for us to sign away our souls.

It's a double standard.

One that you are completely blind to.



It's tiring.

i can see your point

but on the other hand its necessary to get those infos to the crowd, so microsoft can see from the feedback what further actions need to be done

if no one talks about the stuff they just patented or invented they might think its all good
with all the complaints and shouts im sure we will hear an announcement on monday, that says they re-thought on it and made some downgrades

well at least i hope so
and it remains to be seen with what sony comes up to on monday too
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 10:50 AM - 06/09/13
I also hear what everyone is saying and alot of good points have been made. But I would only be kidding myself if I said I wasn't going to buy both!

PS4

+


Xbox
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Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Acc0rd on 02:00 AM - 06/10/13
Im still standing strong on PS4 this time unless xbox totally retracts all of its new ideas but I highly doubt it. And, the ps is more powerful, I miss the PS days I used to have so I wont be butt hurt going back at all. There will still be tons of XIM guys to play with!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 04:31 AM - 06/10/13
people are scared of change, this thread show it the most..

Hopefully there will be more information from you to choose from after E3.
Personally i won't even be buying a console, because there is nothing there for me at all.

I will however buy one after they have been out 12 to 24 months when the "better" console is apparent.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 04:41 AM - 06/10/13
Its just all the information released by ms on one is @#$% creepy. Its like @#$% "scream" while taking your money.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 05:14 AM - 06/10/13
Quote
I will however buy one after they have been out 12 to 24 months when the "better" console is apparent

This is smart as you wont have any time for gaming very soon. Propably what I will do too if I can resist some games.
Title: Re: E3 - Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BionicTbag on 06:36 AM - 06/10/13
E3 is going to be the @#$% today!!!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 10:33 AM - 06/10/13
When I read back my post's from time to time.
I think @#$% i really should proof read more often.

I sound like a complete retard 99% of the time...
I just type and press enter sorry people lol.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: DOLK on 03:27 PM - 06/10/13
if publisher decides that people are not allowed to resell their game what happens to the PS4 version then?

Publishers decide whether you can trade in your games and may charge for this.
Publishers decide whether you can give a game you own to someone for free, and this only works if they have been on your friends list for 30 days

people can @#$% and moan all they like, this move is something publishers are crying tears of joy for. And i would not be surprised that eventually SONY will put some similar system in place after pressure from publishers.

because if they decide you cant resell their game, SONY to have the game on their console, would probably have to put a fee someplace.

Title: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: stoneyftw on 01:05 AM - 06/11/13
God I hope I like the Xbox One, then I won't have to be on the same platform as these cry babies.

Haha +1
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Xog on 01:41 AM - 06/11/13
rofl
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 02:03 AM - 06/11/13
It's hard to believe there is going to be one console with such restrictions competing with a console with zero invasive drm. I wouldn't be surprised if MS backed down a little. Sure if the publisher option of used game fees was taken off the table that's one problem gone but it's not that easy. They banked on the cloud. It is said that the console's power will evolve through the cloud.  But then this whole infrastructure that they've invested in and planned on can't be used as intended. It wouldn't be a guaranteed resource to develop games around without the 24 hour check in. So what then? They are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 02:19 AM - 06/11/13
I am quite sure the firm itself has not realized what they have done. Its numbers and comparisons to other consoles after months after release that will trigger groups of people who then look for the cause and it is not sure they will find it but make some changes...dunno to the controller or some faceplates or some other crazy stuff. 
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Xog on 02:35 AM - 06/11/13
And why is nobody talking about this!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_j9uKBmUEk&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 02:36 AM - 06/11/13
Its numbers and comparisons to other consoles after months after release that will trigger groups of people who then look for the cause and it is not sure they will find it but make some changes...dunno to the controller or some faceplates or some other crazy stuff.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/55d3d164b079de7f3186e2dd8f257e28/tumblr_mltz4ydovv1so5wpmo1_500.jpg)

Dunno why, but I read this 5 times and still don't know what you're saying here.  Can somebody pls translate?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 02:36 AM - 06/11/13
Roads thinks they are going to look at data post launch, then make a decision.

Looks great xog, definitely on my watch list.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 03:08 AM - 06/11/13
Yea xog looks great not much hype though... im pretty die hard clancy thiugh so ill be getting it.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Chance on 06:35 AM - 06/11/13
That game looks awesome Xog!  ;D
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: McNappa on 06:45 AM - 06/11/13
i think your all missing a trick here. Microsoft has stated that there will be NO FEE for using second hand games. Any game you have bought on disc is yours to do as you please, be that trade, sell, or even give it to a friend. it will be the same as it is now except you will also be able to trade in your digital downloads as well..no one else not even steam offer this. In the first xbox one reveal microsoft also stated that all online multiplayer will be DEDICATED. Now sony are gonna charge you a subscription for online multiplayer just the same as xbox live. PSN sucks now and will suck with ps4. one last point on the cloud. Has anyone here tried OnLive, its a cloud based gaming service that allows full streaming of many top titles on pretty crap p.c hardware, for instance i can play arkham city in 1080p with all graphics at max on my poop core2 duo 2.66GHz @ 3.2GHz with 4GB RAM and a £50 ati 6670HD because i can stream the game from their cloud. now imagine what could be possible with xbox one. they could effectively (given time) double the power of your console by offloadin a lot of cpu intensive processes to the cloud.  xbox one is pretty much future proof and a lot of the games on xbox one are gonna take advantage of this and will be able to create much much larger worlds for which to play in. SONY CAN SUCK MY BALLS.
p.s every sony product i have ever owned failed in under a month. vid cam dead. minidisc that will play but not record ps3 dead in under a week.  also why does the ps4 look like the twin of the xbox one. sony couldnt even design there own bloody case... newbs
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 06:57 AM - 06/11/13
^ worth reposting, nicely said! Apparently gamers aren't ready for change, what surprises me the most though is how many people in a forum like this aren't ready for it either. Xbox offered a RPG with no @#$% load times, that's right NO LOAD TIMES! What did PS4 offer? No change, no innovation just the same old typical graphical advance and to be honest the games I saw on X1 looked better then PS4 graphically.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: McNappa on 07:03 AM - 06/11/13
^^
Here here
Gamers are meant to be innovators not technophobe fear mongers

On another note, project spark is free to play and so is killer instinct 3.sweet
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Atomfire on 07:04 AM - 06/11/13
i think your all missing a trick here. Microsoft has stated that there will be NO FEE for using second hand games. Any game you have bought on disc is yours to do as you please, be that trade, sell, or even give it to a friend. it will be the same as it is now except you will also be able to trade in your digital downloads as well..no one else not even steam offer this. In the first xbox one reveal microsoft also stated that all online multiplayer will be DEDICATED. Now sony are gonna charge you a subscription for online multiplayer just the same as xbox live. PSN sucks now and will suck with ps4. one last point on the cloud. Has anyone here tried OnLive, its a cloud based gaming service that allows full streaming of many top titles on pretty crap p.c hardware, for instance i can play arkham city in 1080p with all graphics at max on my poop core2 duo 2.66GHz @ 3.2GHz with 4GB RAM and a £50 ati 6670HD because i can stream the game from their cloud. now imagine what could be possible with xbox one. they could effectively (given time) double the power of your console by offloadin a lot of cpu intensive processes to the cloud.  xbox one is pretty much future proof and a lot of the games on xbox one are gonna take advantage of this and will be able to create much much larger worlds for which to play in. SONY CAN SUCK MY BALLS.
p.s every sony product i have ever owned failed in under a month. vid cam dead. minidisc that will play but not record ps3 dead in under a week.  also why does the ps4 look like the twin of the xbox one. sony couldnt even design there own bloody case... newbs

You caught my attention on "all online multiplayer will be DEDICATED", this may make me think twice about moving to PC as it's my biggest frustration on console. I can live with the other crap and to be honest as you say it has it's benefits but if they have dedicated servers that's a whole different ball game. Is there any info anywhere to back this up.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: McNappa on 07:08 AM - 06/11/13
Watch the xbox one reveal. Also every developer so far has said their games run on dedicated servers. Can only be a good thing. The way it's goin you will probably be able to rent servers as well just the same as in bf3 or PC land. Imagine having your own halo 5 or titanfall server...oh yes
I would also like to point out that xbox one will work with ANY set top box that has HDMI. You plug your cable/sky/freeview/freesat straight into the HDMI passthrough thn you position a IR transmitter near you set top box and BAM no more lookin for the bloody remote after the kids have been playin with it. I can just say xbox cbeebies and boom cbeebies channel straight on..kids pacified..no stress
Here is the proof of all games to use dedicated servers http://www.examiner.com/article/xbox-one-multiplayer-games-all-have-dedicated-servers-up-to-128-players    Ps4 lol
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 08:12 AM - 06/11/13
i think your all missing a trick here. Microsoft has stated that there will be NO FEE for using second hand games. Any game you have bought on disc is yours to do as you please, be that trade, sell, or even give it to a friend. it will be the same as it is now except you will also be able to trade in your digital downloads as well..no one else not even steam offer this. In the first xbox one reveal microsoft also stated that all online multiplayer will be DEDICATED. Now sony are gonna charge you a subscription for online multiplayer just the same as xbox live. PSN sucks now and will suck with ps4. one last point on the cloud. Has anyone here tried OnLive, its a cloud based gaming service that allows full streaming of many top titles on pretty crap p.c hardware, for instance i can play arkham city in 1080p with all graphics at max on my poop core2 duo 2.66GHz @ 3.2GHz with 4GB RAM and a £50 ati 6670HD because i can stream the game from their cloud. now imagine what could be possible with xbox one. they could effectively (given time) double the power of your console by offloadin a lot of cpu intensive processes to the cloud.  xbox one is pretty much future proof and a lot of the games on xbox one are gonna take advantage of this and will be able to create much much larger worlds for which to play in. SONY CAN SUCK MY BALLS.
p.s every sony product i have ever owned failed in under a month. vid cam dead. minidisc that will play but not record ps3 dead in under a week.  also why does the ps4 look like the twin of the xbox one. sony couldnt even design there own bloody case... newbs

You caught my attention on "all online multiplayer will be DEDICATED", this may make me think twice about moving to PC as it's my biggest frustration on console. I can live with the other crap and to be honest as you say it has it's benefits but if they have dedicated servers that's a whole different ball game. Is there any info anywhere to back this up.

microsoft said multiplayer games will be on dedicated servers
nothing more, nothing less
it remains to be seen on how much devs do make use of it and how much it costs them

also companies like EA do use their own dedicated servers which also run on the ps3
i dont know how sony will handle the multiplayer on ps4 but maybe it will be full dedi too
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Chance on 08:17 AM - 06/11/13
Considering they're giving the option for PSN+, gotta be doing dedicated servers if they're charging, just like Live.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 08:21 AM - 06/11/13
i for one welcome our new japanese overlords!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Chance on 08:34 AM - 06/11/13
I think when I get PSN, I'll get your tag, I dunno what PSN names are referred to as.  ;D
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 08:44 AM - 06/11/13
You guys just don't get it, Consoles will never have enough power and be affordable without Innovation, Innovation like Cloud computing which yes requires the Internet! Instead we'll stick with mediocre crap that you can pay $399.00 for.  You seriously need to raise your expectations! Step out of the @#$% box! Do you guys truly realize the potential here, why are you settling for this garbage? If cloud computing fails it is a huge set back for console gaming and for PC's as most games are built around the abilities of a console. I'm not talking about Graphics, I'm talking about huge expansive worlds, better multiplayer and smarter games, No load times. Where's the vision here?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Chance on 08:51 AM - 06/11/13
This looks interesting, I forgot how to post videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=uQc8daYz_Ng
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 08:51 AM - 06/11/13
all i can say is QUAD  brotherhood ppl. will be glad to meet yAll on beaststaton quattro.

it started w a fail name xb1 and the rest was kinda snowballed fail tbh. every true gamer needs to be thankful to sony  today for not stomping our rights sith feet and forcing a 10. bigger. ompany to chance gheir plan, which i aSSume MS wil.

iphone typing nvm the mistakes.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 09:04 AM - 06/11/13
by the way, the last ace that sony still has in their hand is the gfx card
all we know so far is that its noticeably superiour to what microsoft has

let them annouce the real models and expect a new wave of sony faboyism!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 09:05 AM - 06/11/13
all i can say is QUAD  brotherhood ppl. will be glad to meet yAll on beaststaton quattro.

it started w a fail name xb1 and the rest was kinda snowballed fail tbh. every true gamer needs to be thankful to sony  today for not stomping our rights sith feet and forcing a 10. bigger. ompany to chance gheir plan, which i aSSume MS wil.

iphone typing nvm the mistakes.


I can't believe another one thanking Sony. Thank the gamers, if the community didn't outrage Sony would've followed suit. They don't give a crap about you, all they did was kick MS while they were already on the ground. They saw an opportunity and took it. Congrats to them for that, but that was a business decision, nothing more. MS clearly had them beat as far as exclusives and Innovation. But, money talks so give people $100.00 discount and watch them flock like sheep. I'm glad MS didn't bury Sony though, competition is a good thing. The Irony is the ONE could've been the beginning of the end for Sony as Sony did NOTHING that impressed me. Sony gained ground because MS @#$% themselves, Period!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Atomfire on 09:14 AM - 06/11/13
I am not too bothered regarding the extra cost of the X1, £80 one off cost, if it's better I will probably pay without thinking twice. Also I am the type who buys games on release, prefers not to have to enter disks to play a game and rarely trade in games for the small rebate I get in return. I see the issues that MS changes cause but I don't think they will be as big an issue as is being made out, I also see the advantages to what they are proposing. Although there is always a 3rd option, no not the Wii U, I mean the PC, if either console fails to excite then i'm going back to PC.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 09:15 AM - 06/11/13
the logic is funny xbo could be the beginning of ghe end for sony just because sony didnt show anything that impressed YOU. hmm yeah i see the point.

speakng about impressed whats impressive on. xbo? kinect 2? all the restri tions and 24h on?

its gamers who screamed loud but sony couldnt give less Fs if they wanted to, yet they de cided against all the bs so we have to thank them in fact. did Ms give a flying F about gamers complainng? they didnt and wouldnt ever consider it if sony didnt exist. its as simple as that.

otherwise fanboys are gonna fanboy, its a thing that wong change.

@1 above - so u like to have dled games, never consider selling or trading games. hAs no problems with all sorts of drm and restrictions.. good for u tell us more about it.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Oxxy on 09:19 AM - 06/11/13
all i can say is QUAD  brotherhood ppl. will be glad to meet yAll on beaststaton quattro.

it started w a fail name xb1 and the rest was kinda snowballed fail tbh. every true gamer needs to be thankful to sony  today for not stomping our rights sith feet and forcing a 10. bigger. ompany to chance gheir plan, which i aSSume MS wil.

iphone typing nvm the mistakes.


I can't believe another one thanking Sony. Thank the gamers, if the community didn't outrage Sony would've followed suit. They don't give a crap about you, all they did was kick MS while they were already on the ground. They saw an opportunity and took it. Congrats to them for that, but that was a business decision, nothing more. MS clearly had them beat as far as exclusives and Innovation. But, money talks so give people $100.00 discount and watch them flock like sheep. I'm glad MS didn't bury Sony though, competition is a good thing. The Irony is the ONE could've been the beginning of the end for Sony as Sony did NOTHING that impressed me. Sony gained ground because MS @#$% themselves, Period!

This so much lol, sony did nothing ha. And everyone is praising them like the next coming of jesus for @#$% that should be expected.

In australia the ps3 is only $50 less too, so choosing on price is irrelevant for us. Even if it was $100 less it still wouldn't even be a deciding factor for me.

edit: did people go absolutely ape @#$% like they are now when the ps3's price was announced? pretty sure the 360 to ps3 price difference was huge. Holy crap I can just imagine.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 10:11 AM - 06/11/13
I've watched and seen everything both consoles have to offer.
I've said all along wait for E3 and i'll be honest i was expecting xbox to pull something big out the hat.

But playstation rofl stomped the competition.
The whole way that you can game and spectate singleplayer friends and jump into there games (take over the pad to do the hard part of the mission for them) blew me away in terms of online functionality.

The only thing dividing xbox and ps3 was cross game chat, sony took that idea and blew it up!
I'm not a fan boi "if anything i'm more a pc  fanboi than console"

But it makes no sense at all to come onto a forum and start crying at other people.
If what i have seen from sony is true, then xbox will lose in eventual sales this gen.

Because right now there are alot of people clinging onto microsoft with both hands.
But narrow mindedly dont see that its not about the name or brand its about the innovation in game play and online functionality. XBOX ONE will just be xbox live 2.0 e.g exactly the same as 360 with new menu and layout.

Playstation have realised that all people want is good online services.
And i think they have realised that fully and i for one! cant wait to play on one.

The price is just a bonus.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 11:04 AM - 06/11/13
This is clearly what is called a shitstorm and I find it very good it brings fear to a company that just never listens. I wish COD had a competion as M$ has with the PS4.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: McNappa on 11:19 AM - 06/11/13
Lol lol lol. Some of you need to do your research. Sony were the ones to patent the technology to stop the use of second hand games. Only reason ps4 allows the use of second hand games is because all the Sony fanboys jumped on the Microsoft hate wagon about stopping the second hand market when it was Sony who planned to do it in the first place so much so they even patented a microchip to stop the use of second hand games.cant be arsed to post a link as its easy to google this stuff. Microsoft are allowing use of second hand games. Most of you already pay a fee imposed by developers when you buy a second hand game then have to buy an online pass. My bet the same system will be used for both xbox one and ps4.
Lol to " ps4 has a better graphics card mur mur mur blah blah" , you still do not understand the power of the cloud. The cloud can be used to generate massive worlds. Your console won't have to process physics, fluid motion, lighting, geometry. Hell....probably the only thing your xbox will need to concentrate on is texturing and hit detection and maybe player models, everything else can be streamed from the cloud. 128 player battlefield 4 anyone? http://www.examiner.com/article/xbox-one-multiplayer-games-all-have-dedicated-servers-up-to-128-players
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: tuffrabit on 11:24 AM - 06/11/13
Your console won't have to process physics, fluid motion, lighting, geometry.

Yes, yes it will.  It most certainly will.

Hell....probably the only thing your xbox will need to concentrate on is texturing and hit detection and maybe player models, everything else can be streamed from the cloud.

No, no, and no.

you still do not understand the power of the cloud

Quite true.  It is a thing of far less worth than MS and Sony would want you to believe.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: McNappa on 11:28 AM - 06/11/13
Go checkout OnLive cloud gaming service. Then report back
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: tuffrabit on 11:32 AM - 06/11/13
Game streaming services and what you are claiming the cloud can do are two very different things.

Go checkout a game engine's source code and then report back.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: McNappa on 12:26 PM - 06/11/13
Lol. Microsoft are innovators and have near limitless funds. Wait and see. I seen a lot of developers saying their game is only possible on xbox one hardware with the cloud, never heard any Sony developers sayin their games are only possible on ps4. That my friend is due to the cloud. You don't know what this cloud is capable of and neither do I, also anything is possible . New generation new source code new way of programming. We could argue this all day. Lets see what's shown in the coming months.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 12:34 PM - 06/11/13
Mcnappa give up the fight, your acting like your bill gates himself.
Both console have pros and cons but i see your name in every thread defending the xbox.

I know your just excited, but your coming across as butt hurt.
No offence of course. Just chill out lad
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 12:38 PM - 06/11/13
Nappa, the cloud can only work as fast as people's internet connections. The guy who spent 500$ on an xbox and has a .5/.5 connection will be expecting to play the same games as the guy with a 50/50 connection. Even if the "cloud" has all that potential that you say, they wont be able to take advantage of it without releasing games with a "must have a #/# connection" disclaimer, which wont happen... at least not anytime soon.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BionicTbag on 01:02 PM - 06/11/13
Lol lol lol. Some of you need to do your research. Sony were the ones to patent the technology to stop the use of second hand games. Only reason ps4 allows the use of second hand games is because all the Sony fanboys jumped on the Microsoft hate wagon about stopping the second hand market when it was Sony who planned to do it in the first place so much so they even patented a microchip to stop the use of second hand games.cant be arsed to post a link as its easy to google this stuff. Microsoft are allowing use of second hand games. Most of you already pay a fee imposed by developers when you buy a second hand game then have to buy an online pass. My bet the same system will be used for both xbox one and ps4.
Lol to " ps4 has a better graphics card mur mur mur blah blah" , you still do not understand the power of the cloud. The cloud can be used to generate massive worlds. Your console won't have to process physics, fluid motion, lighting, geometry. Hell....probably the only thing your xbox will need to concentrate on is texturing and hit detection and maybe player models, everything else can be streamed from the cloud. 128 player battlefield 4 anyone? http://www.examiner.com/article/xbox-one-multiplayer-games-all-have-dedicated-servers-up-to-128-players (http://www.examiner.com/article/xbox-one-multiplayer-games-all-have-dedicated-servers-up-to-128-players)


Taking a look at the BF4 preview it seems that this 128 player BF4 might jsut be real...  If you take  a look at the BF4 play time on E3 you will see the player looking forward to about 12 other team players.. then all the sudden he looks left to see yet another squad of at least 12 players running in the same general direction.


Therefore I for one and up for a 128 player BF4 battle!!! oohhh yessss


Take a look at the Microsoft AZURE hosting for web.  You can scale these sites to multiple Virtual Machines and Dedicated Machines with the flick of a switch and create multiple instance of your boxes all on the fly.


And people still believe that MS has not got their @#$% together. what evs...


for all of you struggling to make sense of all this hoopla... go here


http://www.t3.com/features/microsoft-xbox-one-vs-sony-playstation-4 (http://www.t3.com/features/microsoft-xbox-one-vs-sony-playstation-4)



Title: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Beezles on 01:25 PM - 06/11/13
I, for one, am still torn between the two. I like what both have to offer and since both require a multiplayer fee, that's not a factor. It will come down to game choices that I prefer, which consoles more of my friends choose, and convenience.  Granted I haven't seen either conference since I'm out of state for bereavement. But first chance I get, I'm watching them.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 01:30 PM - 06/11/13
^ you'll lol... when he announces the price for the X1 and the rm almost goes silent haha...

Cheapskates!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: colb on 01:34 PM - 06/11/13
Is everyone poor all of a sudden? The PS3 was $500 @ launch and it did just fine.

I've changed my mind. I'm still gonna buy a PS4, but I like the future of the X1 and will buy it as well.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: glenn37216 on 01:40 PM - 06/11/13
Actually I think my ps3 was $599.00 AT LAUNCH..60 Gig .. -But atleast you had the option to go cheaper if you wanted to .
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: GreyMouser on 01:43 PM - 06/11/13
Shamelessly stolen from reddit: "Some questions about the PS4 Answered"
http://imgur.com/a/zSN57#EHOvxZF (http://imgur.com/a/zSN57#EHOvxZF)

First two answers are comforting to current PS3 owners.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 01:49 PM - 06/11/13
Wow.. region free. Finally. Is that legal though? Isn't there a reason for region locks? Government restrictions in Germany/Australia for example.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 01:54 PM - 06/11/13
Wow.. region free. Finally. Is that legal though? Isn't there a reason for region locks? Government restrictions in Germany/Australia for example.

there should be
however europe always is and was one region, in which every country did it different
games have multilanguage packages for each european country

usually germany and austria got strict rules whereas the uk is fine by giving 15 years old a 18+ copy
as a german customer all you had do to was ordering from the uk to surpass the whole system

so a huge region free block isnt any different than what we have now in europe, just order from a different place and you are fine
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 02:08 PM - 06/11/13
Oh ok. Well now you guys can have more buying options online which is always good. There's going to be a lot of gamers who will be able to play japanese games now as well.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: GreyMouser on 02:23 PM - 06/11/13
More information on PS4 from the same guy (who I never heard of before last night).

https://twitter.com/yosp/status/344369977438126080 (https://twitter.com/yosp/status/344369977438126080)

EDIT: This is good news for multi-users on same console (e.g., families, roommates, etc)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 02:26 PM - 06/11/13
Oh ok. Well now you guys can have more buying options online which is always good. There's going to be a lot of gamers who will be able to play japanese games now as well.

yeah, i cant wait to get some rpgs with japanese dub :)
also not every US or JP game comes to EU and vice versa, you now can play whatever you want
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 02:35 PM - 06/11/13
More information on PS4 from the same guy (who I never heard of before last night).

https://twitter.com/yosp/status/344369977438126080 (https://twitter.com/yosp/status/344369977438126080)

EDIT: This is good news for multi-users on same console (e.g., families, roommates, etc)


Cool, that was a nice little feature x1 offered.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 02:51 PM - 06/11/13
uh oh

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/11/e3-2013-ps4-used-game-restrictions-up-to-publishers
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 02:56 PM - 06/11/13
from that article

Quote
Publishers of PS4 games, then, can do what's already done on existing PlayStation software: Limit or lock content behind online passes or redemption codes (or opt out of restrictions altogether), which differs from Microsoft's limited licensing of Xbox One software.

so nothing more than what he have right now
just a workaround like with the BF3 or BF BC2 games

still not as evil as what microsoft does with their 1x share to 30days buddylist policy :/
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 04:05 PM - 06/11/13
(http://www.gamertagradio.com/new/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/comprehensive_8th_generation_console_comparison_by_yamamoto114-d667kw7.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: lucky88 on 05:50 PM - 06/11/13
hmmm where is TITANFALL?!?! probably the only xbox exclusive thats worth mentioning at all.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: colb on 05:51 PM - 06/11/13
Primal Carnage is coming to PS4? Hahaha
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 06:12 PM - 06/11/13
Yep they messed up. Source is at the bottom of the image, go yell at him.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: colb on 06:18 PM - 06/11/13
hmmm where is TITANFALL?!?! probably the only xbox exclusive thats worth mentioning at all.

Titanfall is under XBO/360/PC exclusive.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 06:26 PM - 06/11/13
retract previous hit
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: anony on 07:13 PM - 06/11/13
Judging from internet craze going on now Ps4 seems to be a winning console as it is converting a tonne of xbox players over. Haven't heard of a single Ps3 player converting to xboxone. Anyone out there...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Xog on 07:17 PM - 06/11/13
Athene's "PS4 vs. Xbox One" quick video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBS4821EiUw
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 08:11 PM - 06/11/13
Your console won't have to process physics, fluid motion, lighting, geometry.

Yes, yes it will.  It most certainly will.

Hell....probably the only thing your xbox will need to concentrate on is texturing and hit detection and maybe player models, everything else can be streamed from the cloud.

No, no, and no.

you still do not understand the power of the cloud

Quite true.  It is a thing of far less worth than MS and Sony would want you to believe.

Slow clap, +1, etc


Go checkout OnLive cloud gaming service. Then report back

You are aware Sony purchased Gaikai for a reason?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 10:22 PM - 06/11/13
The cloud: I wonder what people imagine of a system, whatever Serverfarm is on the other side that is large like the moon, when it is bottlenecked by the internet.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 10:31 PM - 06/11/13
I am happy PSN now costs money as they have to deliver if they take the cash. The overall situation is quite bad for the user. There is not one PS4 exclusive I am super hot for but 3 or 4 exclusives  I would get for the weaker and more annoying machine.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 10:34 PM - 06/11/13
Agreed roads. My feelings exactly.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: colb on 11:31 PM - 06/11/13
Call me a noob, or whatever... but how can you say they can't take advantage of cloud computing? I can play PC games with maximum graphics settings on my Galaxy S3 via freaking 4G. I use OnLive with my work laptop (it's about an 8 year old laptop) to get game sessions in at work when I'm bored.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: stoneyftw on 11:59 PM - 06/11/13
Call me a noob, or whatever... but how can you say they can't take advantage of cloud computing? I can play PC games with maximum graphics settings on my Galaxy S3 via freaking 4G. I use OnLive with my work laptop (it's about an 8 year old laptop) to get game sessions in at work when I'm bored.

I think that people on this board (especially this board) are referring to the additional latency that accessing resources from the cloud will effect the common twitch shooter.  It those cases, I'd imagine the cloud will be far less useful.

For the common single player game (and a vast majority of multiplayer games) however, cloud computing can be a massive benefit.  As I said in the other thread, if I remember correctly, PS4 is setup to stream games over the internet, which although cloud based, is not cloud powered processing, which is what Microsoft is stressing so hard.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: colb on 12:11 AM - 06/12/13
Well, even if it's accessing an entire game and rendering it via the cloud, the input lag is still minimal. It's a little noticeable, but I'm playing Homefront right now with OnLive (multiplayer).

But that's not what the cloud on the One is intended for. I believe they want to combine it with the current hardware, to really push high end games on consoles.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: singlecoilpickup on 12:39 AM - 06/12/13
Well, even if it's accessing an entire game and rendering it via the cloud, the input lag is still minimal. It's a little noticeable, but I'm playing Homefront right now with OnLive (multiplayer).

But that's not what the cloud on the One is intended for. I believe they want to combine it with the current hardware, to really push high end games on consoles.

Onlive is like watching streamin video you can control. Pretty much no software is running on your device. The Xbox One, by comparison, is primarily running on your machine. That being the case, the cloud can really only be useful for calculation, so things like physics and AI. It's not going to be able to do much for your rendering throughput and system memory is still a major bottleneck - especially since 3GB of 8GB is reserved for the OS.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: combo on 12:45 AM - 06/12/13
Don't forget guys whilst these arguments are going on between mostly USA and Europeans (with the general consensus, not just on this forum by the way, being that ps4 is going to win) you have to remember the Japanese market where to be honest I'd be surprised if x1 is even released.

The main reason I'd want an x1 over ps4 is killer instinct, man I loved that game,  oh and of course the matter of which console friends choose.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 12:57 AM - 06/12/13
The best way in my opinion is to get the PS4 then wait til Microsoft gets its sh.it together. You cant seriously sell a weaker machine for a 100 Euro more with so many restrictions you have to google on how the f* to give your friend a game and for a kinect that flopped almost as bad as the HD-DVD player.

First thing they need to do is leave ot the Kinect and sell it for 100$ less at least they keep their face
secondly remove all DRM and leave it to the devs as Sony does
Then do something about the hardware and stop bloated WIN 8 when no one needs it. This is just the most stupid design I can think of.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:03 AM - 06/12/13
This is a design that would have BLOWN ME AWAY, unfortunatedly it’s the only firm that is able to design stuff and get something new on the market. If there will be a Skynet it will be apple and the terminator will be white with a start button LOL

(http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/06/macpro.jpg)
Title: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: stoneyftw on 01:06 AM - 06/12/13
Well, even if it's accessing an entire game and rendering it via the cloud, the input lag is still minimal. It's a little noticeable, but I'm playing Homefront right now with OnLive (multiplayer).

But that's not what the cloud on the One is intended for. I believe they want to combine it with the current hardware, to really push high end games on consoles.

Onlive is like watching streamin video you can control. Pretty much no software is running on your device. The Xbox One, by comparison, is primarily running on your machine. That being the case, the cloud can really only be useful for calculation, so things like physics and AI. It's not going to be able to do much for your rendering throughput and system memory is still a major bottleneck - especially since 3GB of 8GB is reserved for the OS.

You are talking like that's a good thing.  The US has serious issues with Internet architecture, and rendering and streaming everything through a cloud is probably not going to go as well as planned at first.

I'm not a guru but I don't think it's the graphical bottleneck that Microsoft is worried about pushing through with the cloud.  Its the raw computational horsepower needed to integrate massive persistent universes.  I don't a need to render outside of box, so ps4 streaming is kind of moot IMO, since it is just streaming and not helping with computation in the slightest.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: attila4go on 03:22 AM - 06/12/13
Don Mattrick says:

"Unfortunately we have a product for people that aren't able to get some form of connectivity. It's called Xbox360."  :o
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 03:37 AM - 06/12/13
LOL Where do they find these people?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: attila4go on 03:59 AM - 06/12/13
Xbox One Controller vs Xbox 360 Controller: Comparison Demo at E3 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ5s3jVOToQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ5s3jVOToQ)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: glenn37216 on 04:07 AM - 06/12/13
SHIOT MIST POSTED ON THIS EARLIER... SORRY.  :o

Looks like there still a possibility DRM online restrictions could happen on the PS4 after all.  :-[

..."Speaking on GTTV at E3, Sony's Jack Tretton said: "The DRM decision for third-party games will be up to publishers."  (http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a489220/ps4-online-restrictions-up-to-third-party-publishers-says-sony-e3.html)


..."Sony Says Any DRM For Used Games Will Be Left Up To Publishers"

..."The DRM decision is going to have to be in the hands of the third parties, yeah, that’s not something we’re going to dictate or control or mandate or implement..." (http://www.gamesthirst.com/2013/06/11/sony-says-any-drm-for-used-games-will-be-left-up-to-publishers/)

In other news probably already reported..  ;D

"Microsoft delays Xbox One launch in Asia by a whole year...." (http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/11/xbox-one-launch-asia-2014/)

Looks like this could give THE REGION FREE PS4 some sales boost ... another M$ GOOF- UP.  ???
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 04:10 AM - 06/12/13
Roads the new mac pro looks like a trash can.
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 04:45 AM - 06/12/13
Roads the new mac pro looks like a trash can.

Looks like R2D2's cousin
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 04:50 AM - 06/12/13
Yeah no question but its new trashcan LOL

(http://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/L11271874.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 04:55 AM - 06/12/13
Actually the new controller makes the XIM cheaper as you dont need a wired controller :)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 05:01 AM - 06/12/13
Xbox One Controller vs Xbox 360 Controller: Comparison Demo at E3 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ5s3jVOToQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ5s3jVOToQ)

thanks, I bet it’s a regular 10K Ohm pot in there twice. Lot of BS talk.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 05:09 AM - 06/12/13
The best way in my opinion is to get the PS4 then wait til Microsoft gets its sh.it together. You cant seriously sell a weaker machine for a 100 Euro more with so many restrictions you have to google on how the f* to give your friend a game and for a kinect that flopped almost as bad as the HD-DVD player.

First thing they need to do is leave ot the Kinect and sell it for 100$ less at least they keep their face
secondly remove all DRM and leave it to the devs as Sony does
Then do something about the hardware and stop bloated WIN 8 when no one needs it. This is just the most stupid design I can think of.

yep, thats my plan
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 06:32 AM - 06/12/13
The best way in my opinion is to get the PS4 then wait til Microsoft gets its sh.it together. You cant seriously sell a weaker machine for a 100 Euro more with so many restrictions you have to google on how the f* to give your friend a game and for a kinect that flopped almost as bad as the HD-DVD player.

First thing they need to do is leave ot the Kinect and sell it for 100$ less at least they keep their face
secondly remove all DRM and leave it to the devs as Sony does
Then do something about the hardware and stop bloated WIN 8 when no one needs it. This is just the most stupid design I can think of.

yep, thats my plan

 I too fear they will make changes to the X1 early in its life cycle to try and appease all the pissed off gamers. It's rare to see something implode as fast as The Xbox has, these guys better have something magical up thier sleeve. I don't really even care about the X1 until 2014 anyways when Titanfall releases! However, I probably will not buy a PS4 either until an XIM is announced for next Gen. My plan all along has been to stick with the 360 until 2014.

By the way, there's one major gain here for XIM fans. When the next Gen XIM does get here, It will be easy enough to trample on the hardcore PS fans. Imagine how fun it's going to be to stomp all those Xbox guys and Gals trying to learn how to use that God Awful PS4 Controller. I can hear the Raging already! lol....  ;)

OMG.... These PS4 guys are good!!! hahahahahha.....
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 06:35 AM - 06/12/13
Quote
I fear they will make changes to the X1 early in its life cycle to try and appease all the pissed off gamers.

Not only the gamers but the publishers who slowly realize they have put their bet on the wrong horse. Those release date publishers are strongly dependant on how the console sells they sold their souls to.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 08:15 AM - 06/12/13
as far as i understood only thing the cloud computing will offer is loading some levels slightly faster because it can send the game info of the lightning angles etc. But thats unconfirmed. All their talk is theoretical. They didnt show 1 exact example of whats the real world benefit of having this cloud computing. Plus its again dependant of internet. personally I wouldnt want to stress my internet connection when Im just playing the campaign.

Heck the pcs have allways the best hardware from all systems and no game dev saw an advantage of using this gimmick of cloud computing for games, at the end its just marketing like mice companies market their 15.000 dpi mice.

The difference that cloud computing makes will probably stay within 1-5% of extrapower of the actual dedicated hardware u are using. And beeing this low- its easier to just upgrade the cpu/gpu and save u all the cloud computing bs.

A gpu and cpu / RAM can communicate with a speed of UP TO few hundreds of Gigabits per second. The latency of CPU / GPU / RAM calculations is as low a few nanoseconds. I dont see how a cloud computer can be of any serious benefit in real world scenario for computing game code.

But whatever. PS4 atm is just more sympathetic since they dont force Happynect on ppl for 100 euro more, or in the case of PS4 eye toy camera 50 euro more. (350 eur PS4+ eye toy vs 400 eur XO + Happynect).

@RML - yeah imploded is the right term. MS imploded with their windows 8 and massive critisim from the press, users etc. Like it was not enough- now they come up with dubious restrictions and drm policies and continue to annoy end users. Whats with MS's delusion wanting to force things on ppl, first Metro UI for desktops, now all kind of Efed up DRM policies, game sharing/reselling restrictions etc.? Whos idea were those stupid decisions? I hope that moron/group of morons get fired very quickly, before any of the stupid nonsense gets actually spread around and ppl have to deal with it.

Im glad that eu actually looks very critically at the Happynect privacy concerns and all other bs that MS wanted to come up with. At least over here the union lets ms know that they cant do every shady BS they want.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: colb on 09:42 AM - 06/12/13
Gimmick.

That made me lol.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: tuffrabit on 09:49 AM - 06/12/13
OnLive should have been called GameFlix or NetGames in all honesty.  Instead of streaming movies with play/stop buttons you have streaming games with WASD.  Video frames are video frames.  Hats off to them for finding a way to mitigate the input lag and make the games playable.

What OnLive does and what people are claiming cloud computing will do for the Xbone are worlds apart.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: stoneyftw on 09:59 AM - 06/12/13
Souver while I do agree with some of the points you make, I think you are misunderstanding exactly what the point of cloud computing is, because cloud computing isn't meant to give performance boosts.  It's meant to do tasks that you just simply cannot do on the actual console, no matter what the hardware.

These are things like gigantic computational words and MMO functionality, that are important to RPG's such as Elder Scrolls and games like WoW.  I'm sure there are other applications out there, and I think the whole point is that cloud computing gives developers a new tool to create even bigger games.

No worthwhile developer is going to use the cloud for something that they can do locally on the hardware level.  The cloud is for a completely different purpose, and I think most people misunderstand the cloud.

My old man is VP of cloud services at Oracle and we have very nerdy dinnertime discussions, usually about technology and the paradigm shifts that technology like cloud computing provides.  It's all very interesting and powerful stuff actually.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: tuffrabit on 10:03 AM - 06/12/13
Souver while I do agree with some of the points you make, I think you are misunderstanding exactly what the point of cloud computing is, because cloud computing isn't meant to give performance boosts.  It's meant to do tasks that you just simply cannot do on the actual console, no matter what the hardware.

He's not misunderstanding anything.  He's combating the ignorant statements and claims made by people who are sad the Xbone has lesser hardware and want it to be better than the PS4.

Somebody actually claimed that the Xbone would probably only have to render textures because the cloud would handle everything else... like physics, lighting, blah blah blah.

Yes, people are making those claims.  It's so silly.

And yes, I just stood up for Souver.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: colb on 10:05 AM - 06/12/13
Right. Like most MMO games are technically cloud computing. I own and operate a dedicated server out of St Louis for an older MMO. Pretty much the only thing done on client side, is 3d rendering and input commands. All calculations, and game information is stored server side.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: DrCube on 10:45 AM - 06/12/13
This is a repost of something I just wrote in another thread.

There is a good thread on reddit going on right now focusing on xbox one.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1g4zk1/people_who_are_still_backing_the_xbox_one_over/

I would like to call special attention to two posts in particular:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1g4zk1/people_who_are_still_backing_the_xbox_one_over/cagtfov

http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1g4zk1/people_who_are_still_backing_the_xbox_one_over/cagulun

As a multiplayer gamer I go where the community goes. I go where my friends list goes. If they decide to stay on Live then it's an Xbox One for me. It remains to be seen if the built up network of friends and communities on Live will make the effort to switch and rebuild/reconnect on PSN. I would keep your eye on the big twitch streamers. They are the indicator. They will be the bellweather. They know where the audience (i.e. the multiplayer gamers) are playing and will follow suit.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BionicTbag on 10:54 AM - 06/12/13
DrCue - absolutely great points!!!!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: stoneyftw on 11:01 AM - 06/12/13
Souver while I do agree with some of the points you make, I think you are misunderstanding exactly what the point of cloud computing is, because cloud computing isn't meant to give performance boosts.  It's meant to do tasks that you just simply cannot do on the actual console, no matter what the hardware.

He's not misunderstanding anything.  He's combating the ignorant statements and claims made by people who are sad the Xbone has lesser hardware and want it to be better than the PS4.

Somebody actually claimed that the Xbone would probably only have to render textures because the cloud would handle everything else... like physics, lighting, blah blah blah.

Yes, people are making those claims.  It's so silly.

And yes, I just stood up for Souver.

I don't care even slightly what system anyone buys.  It is annoying when people spout out false information about things they don't know anything about.  So many people think they know what cloud computing is, however they do not.  I suppose I misunderstood Souver.

As of now, the difference I see between XBone and PS4 is that PS4 can handle better graphics locally (although I feel we are approaching the point of diminishing returns, which is debatable), while XBone can handle similarly great graphics over larger scales because of the cloud.  But really, no one even knows what they can do with a cloud powered console, because there has never been a cloud powered console, and that is the elephant in the room that all of this console war is detracting from.

Also, if the cloud does in fact allow every single developer to power their games on dedicated servers, well that's the only determining factor I'll ever need.  30 fps on dedicated server > 60 fps on P2P.  And XBone isn't running shooters at 30 FPS.

In fact, if PS4 doesn't have dedicated servers for COD, and XBone does, I'll bet anyone dollars to donuts that it spells the beginning of PS4 doom.  Not instant death, but definitely a critical hit.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 11:19 AM - 06/12/13
I also agree that probably the biggest factor will be how good multiplattformers run on each system. Big games like cod, bf, gta, watchdogs and few others. Simply because there are like 20x more multiplattformers than exclusives.

I too think if xbox has dedicated for cod and ps4 doesnt, more ppl will buy the xbox. But I assume that developers will go one route with dedicated servers and not two routes with dedi+p2p. Its just not very economical and also sort of discriminating to run 2 different systems.

Just like BF3 runs on dedis on xbox and on PS3 as well. So I think we can assume dedi support will be on both systems absolutely identical.

Exactly noone knows how their cloud computers will work since there was no console supporting it before. But assuming just by what we have in the pc sector right now and what is possible on cloud computers right now- it wont be groundbreaking and wont affect the gaming experience in such a big way as many ppl hope or just assume.

@DrCube- thats not quite correct. Sure the biggest cod youtube community was on xbox but that didnt stop some commentators become one of the most popular in the scene like whiteboy who played on the ps3 and couple of other big guys who posted gameplay on ps3. Whiteboy is inarguably one of the biggest in the scene even though i dont like his vids. ;)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 12:02 PM - 06/12/13
In fact, if PS4 doesn't have dedicated servers for COD, and XBone does, I'll bet anyone dollars to donuts that it spells the beginning of PS4 doom.  Not instant death, but definitely a critical hit.


that is something we dont know and no one from microsoft ever said that
all that was said is that there are 300.000 servers ready for xbl
no one knows the exact useage of those

all that has been done were assumptions that those 300.000 are used for dedicated servers
wait until microsoft will do an announcement on that



next to that no one every said ps4 wont have dedicated servers too
just assumptions by the media, no real backup in those articles
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: tuffrabit on 12:37 PM - 06/12/13
The one thing that for sure makes the case for M$'s cloud infrastructure is MP dedicated servers.  If the 300,000 claim is true there would be enough for M$ to offer each publisher a certain number of them for their MP games.


win win win
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BionicTbag on 12:48 PM - 06/12/13
300,000 servers is a drop in the bucket compared to all the servers M$ provides/ ownes


How microsoft went about one of their last server ventures... which FYI was 5-10x more than xbl 300,000


"In a nutshell, Microsoft wanted to recreate Windows so that Redmond could run users' applications and store their data across multiple Windows Server machines located in Microsoft's (plus a few partners') own datacenters."

I have not read every page of this topic... but where are all the discussions about the resolution the systems provide?  @#$% I hear PS4 is doing true blue ray at like 32xx X 22XX or some @#$%... whatever retina displays at...


and XB is for sure NOT doing that... only doing 1080p.... like PS3 does.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Ryoga on 02:29 PM - 06/12/13
I also agree that probably the biggest factor will be how good multiplattformers run on each system. Big games like cod, bf, gta, watchdogs and few others. Simply because there are like 20x more multiplattformers than exclusives.

I too think if xbox has dedicated for cod and ps4 doesnt, more ppl will buy the xbox. But I assume that developers will go one route with dedicated servers and not two routes with dedi+p2p. Its just not very economical and also sort of discriminating to run 2 different systems.

Just like BF3 runs on dedis on xbox and on PS3 as well. So I think we can assume dedi support will be on both systems absolutely identical.

Exactly noone knows how their cloud computers will work since there was no console supporting it before. But assuming just by what we have in the pc sector right now and what is possible on cloud computers right now- it wont be groundbreaking and wont affect the gaming experience in such a big way as many ppl hope or just assume.

@DrCube- thats not quite correct. Sure the biggest cod youtube community was on xbox but that didnt stop some commentators become one of the most popular in the scene like whiteboy who played on the ps3 and couple of other big guys who posted gameplay on ps3. Whiteboy is inarguably one of the biggest in the scene even though i dont like his vids. ;)

Agreed. If CoD runs on dedicated servers for the Xbox One, then expect the same on all other platforms unless the workload is split between several developer teams, just like Titanfall, where the Xbox 360 version is developed by another team.

However, one thing to add is the added costs of having dedicated servers for multiplayer. The reason for having P2P in multiplayer on this-gen and last-gen consoles is due to the costs of running dedicated servers to run each session. The only thing thats dedicated are the lobbies to form games, much like what CoD and Halo do today.

I would assume that developers that are creating game exclusively for Microsoft will get a decent deal for using their Azure infurstucture. But what about the multiplatform games like Far Cry? Unfortunately, I can only see these games stay P2P due to the costs of having dedicated servers running for both Xbox One and PS4.

Now if the customer takes the brunt of the costs for setting up dedicated servers (which infact isn't dedicated, but just a VM running on a couple of cores) then you would see more server setups just like what we already have in the PC market. We saw a taste of this with Battlefield 3, which is a step in the right direction, but I bet $20 that the feature wasn't popular on console.

So, at the end of the day, it's all about whether the running costs of servers outweight the costs of creating multiple versions of the same game for both P2P and dedicated servers.
Title: Xbox One - A conspiracy theory ?
Post by: miropro011 on 02:45 PM - 06/12/13
What if by applying the used game policy , they attract more game developrs and ps4 only has @#$% games , they are also sponsoring TV shows , a lot ads so even if Mircosoft has 2 times less customors , they will still make the same profit as the ps4 . What if all game companies go to xbox one . I know this sounds stupid but M$ cant be so dumb to leave it like that or maybe they have a contract with SONY and they take turns , the first year M$ wins the next year SONY wins . I mean M$ know about the hate and they are not even trying to respond or fix their console here is the ultimate troll by SONY and the ultimate "selftroll" by M$ :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA


http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=microft+responds+to+ps4&oq=mi&gs_l=youtube.3.0.35i39j0l2j0i3l2j0l5.1765.2391.0.4102.3.3.0.0.0.0.142.295.1j2.3.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.lMVMGx-_W7o
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 03:20 PM - 06/12/13
Illimiroom and dedicated servers are two things that interest me greatly regarding XBone, and two reasons why I might get both systems in the end. 
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 03:34 PM - 06/12/13
300,000 servers is a drop in the bucket compared to all the servers M$ provides/ ownes
well talking about console gaming and xbox live services, they have stated that they currently own 15,000 servers. so this is not only a 20 fold increase in server count, but more powerful hardware being installed by how many times over?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 03:38 PM - 06/12/13
im with od1n. who gives a @#$% about anything beyond 1080/1440p??? first off, these console's are likely to NOT have the graphics power to play high quality (true) 1080p 3D games. so why would anyone possibly want to watch 4k games on them? i dont doubt they could show a 4k video... but who wants another console generation of "well output one resolution, but it's really just upscaled".

_---------------------------------
it's still unknown what has faster hardware. noone can tell you the clock rates of the systems:
fanboi's can't answer you

this is what is known:
what can you infer about it?
food for thought. xbox 360 has less powerful hardware on paper than ps3, but the embedded ram lets x360 crush the frame rates ps3 can do. Quake games, Unreal games... thats pretty much what? half the games made right there? any time anti-aliasing is enabled (virtually all 360 games have 2xaa with little to no hit in performance, few ps3 games have any aa)





so will the eSRAM have the same impact as the eDRAM had for the 360??? relatively speaking, the eSRAM is 49% faster than the xo's main memory while the eDRAM was only 42% faster than the 360's main memory.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: stoneyftw on 03:39 PM - 06/12/13
I think NinjaX2 has it right on.  Why are we all fighting, when at the end of the day,we should all be absolutely psychotically stoked that we will have a brand new high end toy to play with this Christmas season.

A new toy!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 03:49 PM - 06/12/13
having owned several projectors, i am also all about illumiroom if that comes to fruition. thats a must-have for me

http://www.youtube.com/v/_AIswMnWfkI


being able to use my ipad as a control input is also a great tipping point if developers start using mobile devices as auxiliary data feeds / controls. who needs an xim and autohotkey or autoit to macro when you can just do it on your ipad...

the xo cloud will be interesting; tho until proven that developers allow it to do something useful AFA game processing it is nothing. the example we were given was lighting and that would be absolutely game-changing graphics wise. lighting gobbles up more resources than anything!
and one thing to keep in mind here is that its not that fundamentally different than how MW2+ uses texture swapping during the game. it takes less than a second to grab textures off a slow USB2.0 flash drive. it doesnt really matter how many frames the cloud lighting would be behind to start with. remember that streaming textures from the ps3's blue-ray drive without install would take up to 6 seconds for the texture swap to happen.
FYI, the game launch timer is longer than 6 seconds. so the in-game play isnt impacted as bad as you would imagine... plus lighting is less visible than textures... #justsayin





one more thing. diablo 3 uses similar streaming and starcraft 2 was patched to use a similar option. somewhat to improve quality and somewhat to reduce hacking. after the big SC2 update in 2012 much of your content is actually streamed live from blizzard's servers!

so don't act like it hasn't been done on a LARGE scale already and proven to work!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Xbox One - A conspiracy theory ?
Post by: toysrme on 03:58 PM - 06/12/13
let's keep something in mind when discussing used game policy. regardless of platform, and even in CURRENT GEN, the publisher controls who can use their multiplayer match-making services. if you dont put your online code in for EA Sports games from 2010-2012, you dont get to play multiplayer. doesnt matter if its 360 or ps3. you gotta pwny up the 12 bucks for it. EA sports has stopped that, but it generated millions of dollars in revenue. many other big publishers have similar systems in place to protect multiplayer. why are these systems in place? they are NOT to price-gouge players. they are because so many of us play illegal versions of games. let us not forget that is the reason why EPIC killed off the Unreal series. They looked at the number of illegal UT3 copies playing the game VS paid copies and that was that.

why can't publishers implement tools to keep people from copying games??????? 25 years ago you had to answer a question from the game manual to start the game... that was DRM and nobody complained.
the problem with the [email protected]#$% crying about DRM is that unlike myself. I dont mind if they make systems where they get paid and make money even if i do burn the game anyway.

What if by applying the used game policy , they attract more game developrs and ps4 only has @#$% games , they are also sponsoring TV shows , a lot ads so even if Mircosoft has 2 times less customors , they will still make the same profit as the ps4...
this is an AMAZING point.
owning hard copies has been dead for years. steam and itunes killed owning "hard" copies of anything years ago and large publishers like Blizzard and microsoft offering direct download downloadable games put the nail in the coffin.
Single player is dead. Even iphone games are multiplayer.

ALSO!!! Free to Play is where its at.
let's look at that from the xo's perspective. microsoft has been doing the direct download thing of big games for three or four years now on XBL.

and here's the big kicker. with the HDMI input so xo can run your cable/sat tv through it. that could open up another huge revenue window for free to play content. your TV show goes to a commercial break->bam! overlay a gaming ad over whatever is being broadcasted (thats not illegal!)


free to Play is the biggest thing to hit gaming. xo is going to have your TV broadcast run through it. do the math.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: colb on 05:25 PM - 06/12/13
What about Sony's patented "DRM chip" (for lack of a better term)?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 05:49 PM - 06/12/13
What about Sony's patented "DRM chip" (for lack of a better term)?

I think they dropped that in there so Microsoft would do the same and since they never implemented it, Microsoft look like tits.

Art of war @#$% yo! sun tzu mang!! < he Chinese but you get the idea.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 05:49 PM - 06/12/13
who knows. the only thing we can say about the DRM is well know closer to launch / after launch / once it gets hacked lol!
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 06:47 PM - 06/12/13
What about Sony's patented "DRM chip" (for lack of a better term)?

Companies file more patents that they don't use than they do.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 07:26 PM - 06/12/13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIC_(Nintendo)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/10nes.JPG)


if Tengen could do it, maybe someone else will too!
Title: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: stoneyftw on 08:20 PM - 06/12/13
Integrated live voting on things like political elections is a selling point(not to mention game changer) for me.

Using my controller to interface with new and exciting TV features is awesome.  It's not about changing the inputs.

It's about adding interactivity to television.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: colb on 10:04 PM - 06/12/13
I just think it's crazy so many people are having this honey moon with Sony.... a company that has a history of DRM and f***ing over it's customer base.


Did everyone already forget about the root kit on PC's? Back in 2005? Google search it:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 10:16 PM - 06/12/13
Hope they learned from that one Colb.....
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: colb on 10:26 PM - 06/12/13
I hope they did too. But people are praising Sony like they are some trustworthy honorable company.
Title: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: stoneyftw on 10:36 PM - 06/12/13
I hope they did too. But people are praising Sony like they are some trustworthy honorable company.

As is my policy with the PS3, ever since storing usernames, passwords, and credit card info in plain text in their databases, Sony will never have my real credit card info, email address, or name.  Just like PS3, I will not use PSN on PS4.

I have other(better) options for next gen online play, and having my bank account drained because a company consistently doesn't have it's @#$% together is not an option.

In my book, a company can make that mistake precisely zero times before they lose my business.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:20 AM - 06/13/13
Integrated live voting on things like political elections is a selling point(not to mention game changer) for me.

Using my controller to interface with new and exciting TV features is awesome.  It's not about changing the inputs.

It's about adding interactivity to television.

Oh really will it start my surround system and set the right input like my Logitec harmony remote, will it allow me to skip ads like my VU+ (dreambox Linux settop), will it allow me to record whatever I want, will it allow me to watch mkv as my mac allows me to do connected to my TV? See there is the problem, most user have more than just a TV and the Xbox. Also DRM is worse than my parents when I was 6 considering my wishes watching whatever whenever. I dont need that again. The moment I am restricted I am done with the system and I choose the one that doesn’t.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 01:24 AM - 06/13/13
I have other(better) options for next gen online play, and having my bank account drained because a company consistently doesn't have it's @#$% together is not an option.

In my book, a company can make that mistake precisely zero times before they lose my business.

Agree 100%

I'm honestly amazed at how nobody seems to care about Sony's prior SERIOUS screw ups.  This kinda stuff goes waaay beyond the scope of DRM or always online requirements.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:38 AM - 06/13/13
I have other(better) options for next gen online play, and having my bank account drained because a company consistently doesn't have it's @#$% together is not an option.

In my book, a company can make that mistake precisely zero times before they lose my business.

Agree 100%

I'm honestly amazed at how nobody seems to care about Sony's prior SERIOUS screw ups.  This kinda stuff goes waaay beyond the scope of DRM or always online requirements.

I first did no know if you ment the Xbone or PS3. It was 2011...

http://www.technewsdaily.com/7250-microsoft-freezes-xbox-accounts-after-credit-card-hack.html
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: colb on 01:43 AM - 06/13/13
That wasn't a hack. That was people who had their Windows Live accounts stolen by other means.  Sony was hacked.  Most live accounts were phised through email or other means. Thats not a Microsoft screw up. Thats user error.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:50 AM - 06/13/13
Ah OK didn’t know.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:58 AM - 06/13/13
On the other hand the PS3 did not overheat like the redring and had a blueraypayer, did not make the HD-DVD brick and paperweight. So its not really m$ did everything right.
Guys I am sad its not the other way round, it would be a clear decision but right now its too many arguments for the PS4 The Bone will touch homes when it gets cheaper for sure.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 02:13 AM - 06/13/13
Kinda funny how ppl bring up old stuff. ;)

What can sony do when some uber talented hackers invade their system? Happens to sony, happens to steam, happens to Amazon and other huge companies. All you can do is just learn from it and improve the security. Ofcourse things are gonna get hacked, the security mechanisms of today that are considered hack proof might not be that hackproof in 3-4 years.

I can only blame ppl who put their credit card infos everywhere. CC is a huge security hole and basically is inviting scammers to rip off ppl. Because of how easy it is to abuse. If you dont wanna take any risks- buy MS points or PSN cards and dont spread your CC info all over internet.

Last but not least- I remember how you could buy china xbox accs with any ammount of MS points you wanted, those were basically stolen accs you could use to DL games to your xbox. At the end it makes no difference if the whole system was hacked or thousands of accounts got stolen through phishing or whatever- ppl lost some money. Its all thats relevant at the end.

If you dont want to get scammed- dont fkn share your CC number everywhere, dont pay with CC in the internet. Its baffling how some ppl who are into eletronics and stuff complain about how companies get hacked and sensitive user data gets compromised, yet pay with CC all over the internet knowing how easy it is to abuse the CC, once you get the CC infos.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 02:15 AM - 06/13/13
On the other hand the PS3 did not overheat like the redring and had a blueraypayer, did not make the HD-DVD brick and paperweight. So its not really m$ did everything right.
Guys I am sad its not the other way round, it would be a clear decision but right now its too many arguments for the PS4 The Bone will touch homes when it gets cheaper for sure.

C'mon...  you can't honestly be comparing the Xbox's overheating to storing personally identifiable financial information in PLAIN TEXT and having those details of MILLIONS of your customers stolen.  Storing such information in plain text is such an amateur move it's unbelievable...  not even somebody after their first week of taking Computer Security 101 would make that mistake.

Everybody can be hacked, I'm not faulting them for that.  But storing things in plain text is a completely different issue...  I can't even put into words how amateur that is.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 02:32 AM - 06/13/13
I am not comparing it The Sony thing is a maxi Screw-up just saying M$ has dead bodies in the cellar too. Disc scratching was fun also especially the slim still having the problem.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: attila4go on 03:01 AM - 06/13/13
 :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVT_8g-mD-4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVT_8g-mD-4)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Xog on 03:17 AM - 06/13/13
(http://i.imgur.com/5ATLlWV.png)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: attila4go on 04:35 AM - 06/13/13
;D

(http://uberhumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/whitehawk.gif)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 04:53 AM - 06/13/13
crazy, Ps4 win in Poland Hungary ...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: attila4go on 04:56 AM - 06/13/13
crazy, Ps4 win in Poland Hungary ...

It does not matter, they are too small market.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: stoneyftw on 08:07 AM - 06/13/13
On the other hand the PS3 did not overheat like the redring and had a blueraypayer, did not make the HD-DVD brick and paperweight. So its not really m$ did everything right.
Guys I am sad its not the other way round, it would be a clear decision but right now its too many arguments for the PS4 The Bone will touch homes when it gets cheaper for sure.

Lol dude neither system is going to fail.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 08:18 AM - 06/13/13
Didn’t say that, of course M$ will turn its neck 180° if necessary. It will just sell well later with this opening price.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: stoneyftw on 08:46 AM - 06/13/13
It's going to end up like just about every political election in the US.

Just about 50% of people will buy either system with a percentage going to wii u, but with enough of a market share to ensure a long lifetime for both systems.

Not only that, but a close enough competition in market share to really drive the development of truly innovative software.

the consumer will be better off the closer the console war is.  Even if it isn't close, the market will ebb And flow with new Ip and adjust.  One system will always be better in each consumers eyes, but each system will have enough players to succeed into the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 09:03 AM - 06/13/13
My decision on which console I will buy and when is highly dictated by the XIM4 release or EDGE compatibility. *whispers* which is a secret */whispers*
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: stoneyftw on 10:21 AM - 06/13/13
My decision on which console I will buy and when is highly dictated by the XIM4 release or EDGE compatibility. *whispers* which is a secret */whispers*

I think you mean, "I'm going to buy a console on launch day", and if the other one is the only one supported by XIM, then I'll be buying that one too.   :P
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 10:28 AM - 06/13/13
Dunno yet tbh Id love the Bone to be more user friendly and less like my mother.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: NinjaX2 on 10:50 AM - 06/13/13
Its like this I havent read all 38 pages of this.

However. Microsoft does more for small independant game development companies. They are also far ahead in innovation. Trying to add, change or IMPROVE things. While it may not always work out in their favor, or be a bust. They try to move things forward.

Sony sticks with what works. Well sort of works considering noone has ever bee nable to tap the full potential of the Playstation due to the way the system is deisgned. They put a brick wall in front of their devs basically.

However. I see both sides of the argument. For some reason everyone is so Anti - Microsoft for a number of reasons I can also see.

However they charge more, and charge subsriptions because...well its their goal to make money. And don't let Sony fool you their only goal is to make money too.

However they react defensively. Microsoft is more agressive.

I honestly have no problem shelling out 500.00 bucks and paying my monthly subscription for something I get enjoyment out of and probably will for the nest 8 years. Its really quite a small investment.


If people think paying monthly 8 - 10 bucks is too much. Then I am not sure what to tell you. Sure sony doesn't charge I am sure. However their infrastructure isn't nearly as reliable or secure. Not saying you will be hacked blah blah, but thier infrastructure is weak.

Microsoft on the other hand has top quality infrastructure, security, custom designed kernals for xlsp traffic etc etc. It cost money to innovate and move things forward.

Sony will always continue to ride their coat tails, and stick with what they are comfortable with. -- This is not a bad thing if it works it works.

Microsofts innovation can be taken two ways because it could be good, or bad. At least they have the balls to take that risk. Someone has too.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 02:08 PM - 06/13/13
However. Microsoft does more for small independant game development companies.

I can already hear it coming so I'll say it myself, Sony is allowing Inde game devs to self Publish. I imagine that's a pretty big deal for the Devs!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 02:49 PM - 06/13/13
Oh look another butt hurt thread! You guys wanna give it a rest anytime soon?

Geeze
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 03:04 PM - 06/13/13
don't tell half-truths people
On the other hand the PS3 did not overheat like the redring
wrong.
at launch PS3 failure rates was a full 10% of units sold. xbox 360 was just over 20%. don't act like ps3's never fail... the first revision of the xbox 360 dropped the failure rate to the same number as equivalent ps3 models and subsequent revisions actually made the failure rate LOWER than that of ps3 5% vs 6%.

also, is a greatly misunderstood issue. it was not at any point an overheating or board-warping issue. the problem is that in 2002 the USA-EPA mandated lead-free solder be used in all devices and this was coming in full force in the production run-up of all electronic devices. china plants hadn't figured out what to do and the solder quality used was piss poor. these solder joints were not only the wrong type of solder, but they were baked at a low temperature because the assembly was for a solder with a lower melting point.
to quote myself at the time:
Quote from: Toysrme
The actual amount of board flexing via thermal expansion of a general 4 & 6 layer PCB of this type (green Fiber reinforced resin) is around 6 millionths of an inch between 65*F and 300*F. The board itself would never see a fluxuation between 60*F and 155*F. The stabilized operating temp on the board for any of them is 140-150*F.
in both the xbox 360 and ps3's cas:
it wasn't under-cooling (even original xbox 360's can't hit 60*C on the cpu with the original non-dual heatsink/heatpipe cooler)
it wasn't heat causing board flexing

it was simply the wrong solder applied at the wrong temperature.


Quote from: roads
blueraypayer / did not make the HD-DVD brick and paperweight.
thank god the xbox 360 didn't have a blueray player. the ps3 is a horrible blueray device. it is VERY loud for a piece of A/V equipment and as a piece of gaming equipment it was @#$%. the seek time is 4 times longer than any of the 360 DVD drives while the transfer was lower.
unfortunately for the ps3, the blueray drive hampered it. that generation of console gaming never needed more space than a DL-DVD could provide.

blueray > HD-DVD, but microsoft and bestbuy both had a buy-backs for HD-DVD players. big loss...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: G502DoBeHeavy on 03:41 PM - 06/13/13
Haven't read through the whole thread so I'm not sure if this has been posted yet.

Current pre order sales from Amazon.

https://www.facebook.com/AmazonVideoGames?v=app_153839431317646&rest=1

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 03:52 PM - 06/13/13
Haven't read through the whole thread so I'm not sure if this has been posted yet.

Current pre order sales from Amazon.

https://www.facebook.com/AmazonVideoGames?v=app_153839431317646&rest=1

Are you sure that's accurate?  Not only does the 20:1 ratio seem like a bunch of BS b/c nearly every poll I've seen has the ratio at closer to 2:1, but the overall sales numbers seems low too imo.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: G502DoBeHeavy on 03:55 PM - 06/13/13
Yeah I'm not sure. I saw that link in another forum, so it could be bull. The FB page is legit though so idk.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 04:24 PM - 06/13/13
I've read it was a poll, not sales data.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PhilAshio on 04:59 PM - 06/13/13
Finally got to check out some of the E3 coverage. Exciting stuff. Haven't been this interested in gaming on the whole in years. I kind of like how a lot of games seem to be going open-world/arena-type gameplay. Corridor style linear single player games I just don't see the value in them. I'll get the negative stuff out of the way first.

Halo reveal was hilariously retarded.

Never really been a fan of Killer Instinct but they have a good point with the pay per character model. It's true, I get a fighting game I usually get dedicated to three characters max. The problem is how will they let you try out other characters before buying. How much will each character cost. And will every opponent you fight online just be Jago?

Titan Fall's traversal gameplay is great. Kind of like what Brink should have been. But the HUD makes it look like a cheap free to play and I'm not digging it's weapons.

BF4 didn't do it for me. Singleplayer looks great but MP seems off visually. Maybe it's just early in development but while some of the post processing and reflections are great artistically it looks worse than BF3 to me. It looks like those military sims where they're going for a realistic scale but they're not really worried about the little details. The weapon sway is also ridiculous and the weapons modeling is worse than any other Battlefield. Gameplay wise it looks pretty much exactly like BF3 which isn't my cup of tea. The skyscraper demolition was neat though.

Metal Gear Solid V was impressive. First time I'm interested in MGS since 2. I'm definitely getting it unless word gets out that there are 90+ minute non-gameplay story segments. Infamous and The Division look amazing. Final Fantasy and Destiny look great. Even Forza looks good. I wouldn't mind giving Dead Rising and Thief a try. I'd also like to get my hand on Below, I don't get why that can't be on 360 as well.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 05:03 PM - 06/13/13
Oh I should have updated that thread, KI was cleared up. They give you one character in the demo and you can upgrade the game if you'd like or buy the complete digital edition.

Drive club is kind of doing the same thing. PS+ members get drive club for free, but it's stripped down. You can purchase upgrades in that game as well. I don't know if you can buy the complete digital game like KI but I imagine so.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: attila4go on 02:19 AM - 06/14/13
(http://cdn1-www.playstationlifestyle.net/assets/uploads/2013/06/playstation4systembox.jpg)
(http://www.microsoft.com/global/en-us/news/publishingimages/press/2013/06-10XboxOneBoxshot_Web.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 02:42 AM - 06/14/13
Is this playroom thing coming with the PS4 or do you buy it extra?

http://www.youtube.com/v/Q4TcJdy-BGs&hd=1
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 03:25 AM - 06/14/13
Looks like it needs the Eye, which is sold separately.  But wth does it even do?  That video was really unclear as to what exactly it was showing off.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 03:52 AM - 06/14/13
Yeah video shows nothing its more what they do with that touchpad.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 03:54 AM - 06/14/13
If the eye costs 99$ then again the Bone is the same price as it has the kinect is in the package. Then again which one works best?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 04:21 AM - 06/14/13
http://www.golem.de/news/xbox-one-anonymer-microsoft-entwickler-verteidigt-drm-1306-99803.html

An anonymous Dev at M$ defends  DRM saying it is to lower prices of games and get the money to the publishers not the used game sellers, Steam like. Well on Steam a new release like Remember me costs 40 Euro, I dont call that cheap. That’s maybe 10 Euro less than I paid for Xbox games that were on disc and those I could sell for 25€. Steam works because keys can be bought for about 25€ and I dont want to know where they are from.

If DRM persists a buying factor are the game prices on Xbox Live. If they are 50 Euro plus as they are right now, no thanks. If they really drop below 30 Euro then I change my mind and go with the XBoner from the beginning.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 06:20 AM - 06/14/13
dont worry roads, you can buy digital on both consoles which microsoft and sony confirmed
question remains ofc for what prices
Title: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Beezles on 07:19 AM - 06/14/13
I thought I read somewhere that the new ps eye was gonna be like $59 as an accessory.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 07:29 AM - 06/14/13
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-13-right-now-oddworld-new-n-tasty-isnt-coming-to-xbox-one-or-xbox-360

someone mentioned that ms supports small developers way more than sony. Thats clearly nonsense. I remember how many small devs complained that how expensive the patches are on xbox so they cant afford to patch the games frequently.

etc.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Chance on 08:11 AM - 06/14/13
R.I.P. M$
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: singlecoilpickup on 08:58 AM - 06/14/13
Speaking as a developer that has to work across various platforms (not video game platforms, mind you), I can surely tell you that if both systems are x86 based and neither should present significant development challenges. I don't need to know the full details of the system to know that, a degree in computer science is more than enough.

As far as the provided tools for the dev kits, all I'll say is "a poor workman always blames his tools." Anyone saying *either* system is harder to develop for this next console generation is likely full of it.

Now, some of the system-specific APIs might be easier or harder to work with, like the camera APIs or the Kinect APIs or the Cloud APIs or whatever. But for the most part those things are optional. If I hear something about [insert console version here] is worse than [insert other console version here] because console A is harder than console B from a developer working on something like Call of Duty then I'm very apt to call BS. That flew last generation since there was a substantial difference in effort due to the Cell processor. That excuse is now dead.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 11:05 AM - 06/14/13
i only half agree. i agree x86 is moot.
i do not agree that (x86) was an issue last gen. remember than both systems used a cell processor. its just that sony went balls deep and used a real cell processor while microsoft had the forsight to just use the best part of it! still talking about compiling into xex either way.

what really killed ps3 dev was the locked 256mem. when was the last time anyone played a real game that ran well on 256 video memory!? i mean world of tanks can do it, but you have to manually compress the game textures down to 3% their normal size!?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 03:40 PM - 06/14/13
Following Toys / extending -- What really killed ps3 was their shite dev kits that were absolutely an abomination compared to what MS provided.  This wasn't remedied until almost 14 months after launch. 

AFTER LAUNCH.

The fact that they had guys from Santa Monica and Naughty Dog providing classes and help sessions to others ( with a lot of $$$ from Sony to do so) was a testament to their crap kits.

THat being said, the entire PS4 creation was built around avoiding that misstep again. I hope it works.

Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 04:07 PM - 06/14/13
I thought I read somewhere that the new ps eye was gonna be like $59 as an accessory.

I read the same. I liked the Playroom demo too. Kids would love that.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 08:17 PM - 06/14/13
maybe worth to share

apparently all xbox one stands on the E3 are running on windows 7 OS desktops featuring a GTX Titan
1000$ Titan GPU with 4 TFlops against the 1,24 TFlops @ 0,9 actual TFlops regular downclocked GPU that the xbox one has

i really wonder if any of the demostrations will actually feel the very same on the console itself then
or even look like...
i mean 1000$ Titan vs 140$ 7790 what the xbox one actually has comes with
on the other hand the games arent finished and also arent optimized for the console ofc

here the pics
the only cards featuring that label are the GTX 770, 780 and Titan
a high res version of this picture will reveal that its a Titan

(http://www.cinemablend.com/images/sections/56733/_1371234242.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMu7UCsCcAAzUtv.jpg:large)
(http://www.cinemablend.com/images/sections/56733/_1371234074.jpg)




on the other hand, anything sony related was actually done on the real console

(http://abload.de/img/jblowlgpxr.png)
(http://abload.de/img/tweet2iaaut.png)
(http://abload.de/img/ps4-errorozui8.jpg)









last but not least

more and more rumours are appearing claiming PS4 release is on late october!
an EA representative even accidentally said it will be released together with BF4 on 29th (?) of october!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 08:52 PM - 06/14/13
oh wow.. good find od1n
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:36 AM - 06/15/13
Wow thanks Od1n Holmes, nice find. Yeah it was said the PS4 will come out earlier. Late October would be a huge marketing benefit for Sony. They would have enough Devices ready for Christmas.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 02:36 AM - 06/15/13
Quote
Hall is looking ahead and says that the game will likely come to next-gen consoles after the PC release. After hearing the details of the Xbox One, however, Hall may only be bringing DayZ to the PC and PS4, considering Microsoft's indie-unfriendly policies.

This is sadly how devs will react in my opinion.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 03:17 AM - 06/15/13
haha really nice find odin. So the XO games are not even running on W8 but W7... How efed up is that? W8 is out since 7-8 months, even 10 months if you consider the w8 beta.

At least it tells us one thing- XO controller will work on windows ;) So the chances to have a new KBM adapter are very high. And the new console architecture is really like pcs, so we should get higher quality Multiplats titles on PCs.

Great stuff ms, they keep surprising us more and more. By the looks of it, Microsoft progress on the XO is behind PS4 by a little bit. And the main reason for that is porbably the TV inside the xbox. And Kinect, which they want to be able to recognize faces and stuff. And ofcourse the idiotic DRM with so many restrictions probably took a while to code it.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 09:31 AM - 06/15/13
Quote
Hall is looking ahead and says that the game will likely come to next-gen consoles after the PC release. After hearing the details of the Xbox One, however, Hall may only be bringing DayZ to the PC and PS4, considering Microsoft's indie-unfriendly policies.

This is sadly how devs will react in my opinion.

Well at least it will come to console. I'd like to point out that Bohemia Interactive is not indie, not sure why x1 policies would affect him or the studio he works for.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 10:48 AM - 06/15/13
the best GFX i have seen besides the cryengine 3 tech demo
played on a ps4 console in REALTIME
click on the pictures to enlarge

http://www.youtube.com/v/BqeuHGESZBA&hd=1

(http://abload.de/img/gdeszuxk.jpg)

(http://images.gamersyde.com/image_the_dark_sorcerer-22313-2753_0002.jpg)

(http://images.gamersyde.com/image_the_dark_sorcerer-22313-2753_0004.jpg)

(http://images.gamersyde.com/image_the_dark_sorcerer-22313-2753_0005.jpg)

(http://images.gamersyde.com/image_the_dark_sorcerer-22313-2753_0007.jpg)

(http://images.gamersyde.com/image_the_dark_sorcerer-22313-2753_0012.jpg)

(http://images.gamersyde.com/image_the_dark_sorcerer-22313-2753_0013.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 11:04 AM - 06/15/13
Oh yes this is the blast if not prerendered.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: glenn37216 on 02:18 PM - 06/15/13
maybe worth to share

apparently all xbox one stands on the E3 are running on windows 7 OS desktops featuring a GTX Titan
1000$ Titan GPU with 4 TFlops against the 1,24 TFlops @ 0,9 actual TFlops regular downclocked GPU that the xbox one has

i really wonder if any of the demostrations will actually feel the very same on the console itself then
or even look like...
i mean 1000$ Titan vs 140$ 7790 what the xbox one actually has comes with
on the other hand the games arent finished and also arent optimized for the console ofc
the only cards featuring that label are the GTX 770, 780 and Titan
a high res version of this picture will reveal that its a Titan


on the other hand, anything sony related was actually done on the real console


Seems like this was a pattern E3 for Microsoft. I'm beginning to wonder if the only games that was running on the actual console were only Kinect related.
First Bf4 was played off as if it was running on the console.. until they showed M &K players side by side with controller players..

Then you have Forza 5 ... which was held at an E3 event all by itself , which was found out to be running on laptops ...   :-\



I Got Thrown in Microsoft 'Jail' For Taking Pictures Of Nothing... (http://jalopnik.com/i-got-thrown-in-microsoft-jail-for-taking-pictures-of-512918787)

What's the excuse for this ? Not enough consoles ? ..or was it that they just didn't want to take a chance showcasing real hardware>?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 02:24 PM - 06/15/13
I kinda expected this kind of thing from both sides... i thought thats usually how they do it.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 05:16 PM - 06/15/13
It's possible they're just not fully ready with them yet...  their dev cycle is behind PS4's after all.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: glenn37216 on 06:29 PM - 06/15/13
(https://imageshack.com/scaled/large/545/9nt3.jpg)
 I remember when the 360 games were demo'd on a mac g5 at e3..  ;D



BUT you'd think this time around they would atleast stick to Dev kit specs like the ps4 guys did. Nvidia's tessellation is far different from AMD's . Running code that's been written on dev kits which was optimized for AMD gpu's proved to be problematic for some Xbox One demo's @ E3. Last I counted there were atleast 4 titles that crashed to blue screen or CTD WINDOWS  7. Several Dev's have already pointed the finger towards the PC's running the Xbox one code ...

-Peter Moore finally confessed after being confronted about the "hitches" on the BF unveil during E3 live. (Which btw was a bold face lie.)
..." Regarding BF4, they were all PCs spec'd to Xbox One, you've been around a long time and you know how it is, there's no final hardware yet. That's how it's going to run on the console though. 1080p and 60fps..."

when in doubt.. lay the blame on someone else.  ;D
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 01:41 AM - 06/16/13
Lulz... it better run at 60 after all this bs.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:52 AM - 06/16/13
M$ will have a hard time. The more I think about the positives a console launch can have like the best Exclusives, user friendliness and price, the release date is the heavist factor. People already having the PS3 and being happy with it will have no urge to buy the Boner while its expensive and will wait until the child diseases and bugs are cured.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 02:04 AM - 06/16/13
Dont get me wrong... as good as the ps4 sounds over the ms brick its all talk. Ms made a horrible debut... but wierdly enough they were brutally honest. I actually give them credit for that because sonys hype right now has been through being vague. Ms pretty much came out and said "like it or not this is the future of gaming." Like a leader should.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 07:09 AM - 06/16/13
not the slightest glimbs in insight...

Quote
Microsoft’s Major Nelson said in an interview recently that Sony’s PS4 console isn’t going to make them change anything about their Xbox One system.

The PS4 pretty much beat out the Xbox One in positive press this week with it’s lack of used game DRM, lack of 24-hour check-ins, and price tag. When asked if these announcements by Sony will influence Microsoft and make them change what they’re doing with Xbox One he had this to say:

“I don’t think,… I mean we’re really not going to change anything we’ve done with Xbox One. We’re very happy,… did you see the games on stage during our briefing? Did you see the exclusives? I mean we’re really really proud of the system and the games that are coming out. When you look at games like TitanFall,… have you gone through Titanfall yet? Enough said. Conversation over. We’re really happy with what we showed on stage as well as what we’re showing here in the booth so I think it is uh,… it’s safe to say that we’re confident where we’re going. We’re also confident that gamers are going to love our vision of the future and what we’re going to offer for gaming”
source: http://gimmegimmegames.com/2013/06/microsoft-ps4-wont-make-us-change-anything-weve-done-with-xbox-one/



also

titanfall to be released on PS4 too, just a little bit later
so its just a half-exclusive for xbox one
Title: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Beezles on 07:26 AM - 06/16/13
Where did you see titanfall for ps4? I have not heard that anywhere.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 07:38 AM - 06/16/13
Titan devs said ps4 isnt ruled out yet,  but it comes to xbox first.

Wow man I dont know what to say about what this puppet Gayjor Nelson said in the interview.

After all- all of youve seen the Angry Joes rant on xbox one and his ask 1 question which I cant agree more with- do you guys who basically support Xbox One have a feeling that MS respects you as a gamer? Do you feel like MS is listening to the gamer community, their needs and requests or actually cares about it at all?

Judging by whats going on right now I dont think they do.

Lmao beeing brutally honest doesnt change the fact that their policies and restrictions still suck giant godzilla a.ss.

"Oh yeah this guy killed someone, but hes so brutally honest, that I actually give him credit". Makes no fkn sense to start with.

And MS is not even close to be the leader. Luckily theres nintendo even though it doesnt matter that much and ofc Sony. If MS wants to control everyone so hard, lets see who they gonna control when nobody buys their sh1t.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 09:48 AM - 06/16/13
Like it or not the future of entertainment is direct downloads. It will happen eventually, Luckily for those not willing to except this It will yet it again only be a partial reality this next Gen.

Some one said MS had a lack of vision, I say they're probably looking too far ahead at this point. You, the Gamer aren't ready for that drastic of a change yet. I for one welcome it as I'm sure millions of others will as well.

I just wish the hammer beating down on MS was purely about the Kinect. I could definitely live without the Kinect but have no problem with downloading all my games as long as there's a cyber market to sell them in.

 @#$% Gamestop and @#$% hard copy used games sells, I have no pity for the leaches of the world. It's a setback if we don't see a used game cyber market this Gen IMO. I won't my money to go to Sony and MS or the Devs that created it. They deserve it, Gamestop doesn't deserve @#$%! Apparently some of you can't grasp the fact that used game sells ='s Higher sales prices.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 10:11 AM - 06/16/13
Quote
Apparently some of you can't grasp the fact that used game sells ='s Higher sales prices.

Yes I am one of those, I still think that is not true. The games will be slightly cheaper but far from half price. That is how you get the games right now. You buy them full priced and sell them half. Or you buy them half when old. Cybermarket means full control by M$ and the devs, meaning full 90% price even if its so old that sprites fly over the screen.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: flst81 on 10:46 AM - 06/16/13
Wouldn't it be great if we as gamers could organize a worldwide ban on orders of xbone for say a month to hurt their sales. Letting them know we do no like some of their new policies. Maybe that would scare them enough to ease up a bit. I love my 360 and will get the bone eventually but some of the policies do bother me. Before you all get riled up, I know this isn't a realistic idea and will not happen. It's just a thought.

I know digital downloads is the future. I personally prefer having a physical copy in my possession, I don't sell games back. I keep them for myself and let friends borrow them. That being said, shouldn't digital downloads make the games cheaper because they publishers don't have all the production costs of the discs and packaging? Do you think they'll reduce the price of new games? Probaby not :-[  I'm ranting now so I'm out. Peace.
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 12:00 PM - 06/16/13
Quote
Apparently some of you can't grasp the fact that used game sells ='s Higher sales prices.

Yes I am one of those, I still think that is not true. The games will be slightly cheaper but far from half price. That is how you get the games right now. You buy them full priced and sell them half. Or you buy them half when old. Cybermarket means full control by M$ and the devs, meaning full 90% price even if its so old that sprites fly over the screen.

All you have to do is look at the ebook market if you think that digital will substantially lower the prices for the end user
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 12:05 PM - 06/16/13
OK lets wait and see how it goes, no trust from my side.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Ryoga on 05:32 PM - 06/16/13
Like it or not the future of entertainment is direct downloads. It will happen eventually, Luckily for those not willing to except this It will yet it again only be a partial reality this next Gen.

Some one said MS had a lack of vision, I say they're probably looking too far ahead at this point. You, the Gamer aren't ready for that drastic of a change yet. I for one welcome it as I'm sure millions of others will as well.

I just wish the hammer beating down on MS was purely about the Kinect. I could definitely live without the Kinect but have no problem with downloading all my games as long as there's a cyber market to sell them in.

 @#$% Gamestop and @#$% hard copy used games sells, I have no pity for the leaches of the world. It's a setback if we don't see a used game cyber market this Gen IMO. I won't my money to go to Sony and MS or the Devs that created it. They deserve it, Gamestop doesn't deserve @#$%! Apparently some of you can't grasp the fact that used game sells ='s Higher sales prices.

Microsoft should have just done digital only and sell their games at the price of PC games. Even at a console price of $499, a game priced at $39.99 would totally get punters buying the console. Follow the Steam model. They missed a trick here.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 05:53 PM - 06/16/13
They have the steam model but with more flexibility. Aside from the kinect and nsa fears I don't know why everyone is so upset.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 05:59 PM - 06/16/13
@ Mist - 3 Operating systems all running at once and hogging memory, inferior RAM, pay wall remaining for services you already pay for elsewhere, $100 higher price point than their main competitor, poor indie support, inability to easily share with a friend from school or work, etc etc etc.

All that being said, I'm still a potential buyer...   =).

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 06:05 PM - 06/16/13
meh

At the end of the day it's steam with more flexibility. I refuse to give in to the drama as of late. I like what I'm seeing from both sides.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Xog on 06:11 PM - 06/16/13
I'm still voting on xbone but i'll wait a month or two after release before I make my final decision ;)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 06:15 PM - 06/16/13
If they could even get the current dashboard functioning fluidly I would have more faith in their ability to get seamlessly switching between TV/PC and game to happen like it was in their faked debut. I don't see it happening, hopefully I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 06:29 PM - 06/16/13
worth to mention:
next big events where both microsoft and sony will attend

- GAMESCOM 22.8 - 25.8
- TGS 19.9 - 22.9

lets hope well get an official release date during gamescom :)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 06:33 PM - 06/16/13
I like to think of it as their vision or proof of concept of how it will work. We rarely see finished code before a products launch and even then the dashboard was continuously evolving after work.

Gamescom is going to be fun this year odin :)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 06:46 PM - 06/16/13
yeah i might even check it out, well see :)


something that sucks:

my XBL Gamertag "beamimpact" is already in use on PSN
@#$%, i hate to use non-original tags :(

Beam1mpact looks so odd :(
maybe i resurrect my old PS2 PSN profile Od1n :/ :(
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 06:56 PM - 06/16/13
Can you believe someone took my forum name on psn? Obsiv's too. We discovered this when we started ps3 development.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: GreyMouser on 06:59 PM - 06/16/13
Can you believe someone took my forum name on psn? Obsiv's too. We discovered this when we started ps3 development.

I'll sell them to both of you for some shares in XIM Technologies. ;)

j/k. (couldnt' resist)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 07:11 PM - 06/16/13
Can you believe someone took my forum name on psn? Obsiv's too. We discovered this when we started ps3 development.

I'll sell them to both of you for some shares in XIM Technologies. ;)

j/k. (couldnt' resist)

Who's joking?

I've had them claimed and on reserve since XIM1 for this very day.

Let me name the next iteration of XIM and i'll give you them mist & ob's
I'm not joking, these are my demands.


Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 07:13 PM - 06/16/13
@ mist

man i feel with you, it sucks to think about a new nickname after lots of years


I think when I get PSN, I'll get your tag, I dunno what PSN names are referred to as.  ;D


wait, did you really register "beamimpact" on psn??? :(
i thought it was a joke by yours at that time but now i aint sure anymore lol

http://www.xim3.com/community/index.php?topic=27623.msg337326#msg337326
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 07:14 PM - 06/16/13
lol busted. Get the rope.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Xog on 08:50 PM - 06/16/13
holy crap LOL


@ mist

man i feel with you, it sucks to think about a new nickname after lots of years


I think when I get PSN, I'll get your tag, I dunno what PSN names are referred to as.  ;D


wait, did you really register "beamimpact" on psn??? :(
i thought it was a joke by yours at that time but now i aint sure anymore lol

http://www.xim3.com/community/index.php?topic=27623.msg337326#msg337326
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: anony on 01:38 AM - 06/17/13
The internet (Amazon poll) has spoken about this debacle. Ps4 clearly the winner by an insane margin http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Grabs-95-Consumer-Votes-Amazon-Ends-Poll-Early-56766.html
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 04:19 AM - 06/17/13
Can you believe someone took my forum name on psn? Obsiv's too. We discovered this when we started ps3 development.

Maybe that’s to punishment you two for being so ignorant against the PS3 back then. :D
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 04:21 AM - 06/17/13
The internet (Amazon poll) has spoken about this debacle. Ps4 clearly the winner by an insane margin http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Grabs-95-Consumer-Votes-Amazon-Ends-Poll-Early-56766.html

I dont believe that poll. It’s a vote not actual orders. Reality is more than this vote here the PS4 outselling  2:1.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Chance on 10:05 AM - 06/17/13
@ mist

man i feel with you, it sucks to think about a new nickname after lots of years


I think when I get PSN, I'll get your tag, I dunno what PSN names are referred to as.  ;D


wait, did you really register "beamimpact" on psn??? :(
i thought it was a joke by yours at that time but now i aint sure anymore lol

http://www.xim3.com/community/index.php?topic=27623.msg337326#msg337326

I didn't register "Beam Impact" on PSN, just 360. I'm borrowing a mate's PS3, trying MW2 using the BO2 ST for 360 & it's perfect, just controls not.  8)

Edit - Oh yeah, I'm Chance_SL on PSN too, getting ready for PS4!  ;D
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 10:29 AM - 06/17/13
does anyone know if Xbone's kinect will automatically mute the mic when it reads i'm about to fart ? would be very useful and not induce a friend to think a grenade or something exploded near me...

and would be amazing to stop hearing people chewing and burping due to mic on auto pick up instead of push2talk.. or at least making me stop gaming to mute those caveboys
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 11:14 AM - 06/17/13
@ mist

man i feel with you, it sucks to think about a new nickname after lots of years


I think when I get PSN, I'll get your tag, I dunno what PSN names are referred to as.  ;D


wait, did you really register "beamimpact" on psn??? :(
i thought it was a joke by yours at that time but now i aint sure anymore lol

http://www.xim3.com/community/index.php?topic=27623.msg337326#msg337326

I didn't register "Beam Impact" on PSN, just 360. I'm borrowing a mate's PS3, trying MW2 using the BO2 ST for 360 & it's perfect, just controls not.  8)

Edit - Oh yeah, I'm Chance_SL on PSN too, getting ready for PS4!  ;D

all right then

must be some other pangya fan that registered the nick then :(
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Bertuzzi1616 on 11:25 AM - 06/17/13
http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/xbox-one-allows-you-to-share-games-with-ten-family-members-but-some-details (http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/xbox-one-allows-you-to-share-games-with-ten-family-members-but-some-details)
Here are some better details about "Family Sharing" on X1. This actually sounds a lot better than sharing physical discs. I could share my entire games library with 10 friends who are 3000 km away and vice versa.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 11:36 AM - 06/17/13
http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/xbox-one-allows-you-to-share-games-with-ten-family-members-but-some-details (http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/xbox-one-allows-you-to-share-games-with-ten-family-members-but-some-details)
Here are some better details about "Family Sharing" on X1. This actually sounds a lot better than sharing physical discs. I could share my entire games library with 10 friends who are 3000 km away and vice versa.

so only 1 person can play at any given time...well that is fair at least. but i see MS could be limiting this real soon if they sell enough xbones, Sony had a 5 users per digital game policy and now it's 2 users only... let's hope not.

 and let's not forget kinect ensures that anyone not the owner is another user so my brother is the no2 guy, best friend no3, so on so on, my cousins or other guests can't play my games how cool xD
(i kid, i think xbone will have a guest account, right? right??)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 11:44 AM - 06/17/13
http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/xbox-one-allows-you-to-share-games-with-ten-family-members-but-some-details (http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/xbox-one-allows-you-to-share-games-with-ten-family-members-but-some-details)
Here are some better details about "Family Sharing" on X1. This actually sounds a lot better than sharing physical discs. I could share my entire games library with 10 friends who are 3000 km away and vice versa.

in an interview with reddit and angry joe major nelson made clear that exactly that wont be possible
you cannot share games with friends
there will be certain measurements to prevent this
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 11:54 AM - 06/17/13
in an interview with reddit and angry joe major nelson made clear that exactly that wont be possible
you cannot share games with friends
there will be certain measurements to prevent this

links plx kthx
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 12:05 PM - 06/17/13
in an interview with reddit and angry joe major nelson made clear that exactly that wont be possible
you cannot share games with friends
there will be certain measurements to prevent this

links plx kthx

i no longer have the reddit interview link but heres the angry joe video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RtSGFryKwo
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Bertuzzi1616 on 12:11 PM - 06/17/13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RtSGFryKwo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RtSGFryKwo)

Here's the interview. I'm not sure if they cover it again later but it is one of the first questions asked. He never says anything about preventing friends. He says when referring to is it restricted to just "family", "I'm sure people will get creative with it". I took that as meaning, "I'm sure some people will have more than just family members". This interview along with other Microsoft Execs saying that it is not limited to just family members has me believing just that. It is not limited to only family.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 12:15 PM - 06/17/13
Cringe interview.. Larry seemed uncomfortable the whole time. You can tell he doesn't like joe.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 12:19 PM - 06/17/13
Cringe interview.. Larry seemed uncomfortable the whole time. You can tell he doesn't like joe.

on their first interview joe actually made fun of him due to his unprecise answers
like "you dont look like a gamer, how do you want to know what gamers want"

they havent had the best start so to say lol
also joe was fairly formal and calm in his attitude this time lol
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 12:21 PM - 06/17/13
something that caught me interested in the youtube comments:

Quote
Actually sony recently announced they won't allow devs to put online passes on PS4 since PS4 owners would be paying through PS+ to use online multiplayer.

anyone got a source for this?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 12:26 PM - 06/17/13
something that caught me interested in the youtube comments:

Quote
Actually sony recently announced they won't allow devs to put online passes on PS4 since PS4 owners would be paying through PS+ to use online multiplayer.

anyone got a source for this?

That rumor's been around for some time now.  I don't see how Sony could do that unless they are going to share the PS+ revenue with the devs.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 12:31 PM - 06/17/13
something that caught me interested in the youtube comments:

Quote
Actually sony recently announced they won't allow devs to put online passes on PS4 since PS4 owners would be paying through PS+ to use online multiplayer.

anyone got a source for this?

what i read and saw on kotaku articles and youtube in the fallout of E3 was that they would end online passes (in their studios), EA committed to not using them again (HA! promises!), and that Sony has not forbid it but they do not endorse it and have set the example and have been "clear" about it. i think it's safe to assume online passes will die out in this new gen (on consoles at least) but that doesn't mean no DRM, quite the opposite.. the REAL reason online passes are ending is because in PS4/Xbox1 you can DRM without them better than with them!

it has nothing to do with PSN+ just so we're on the same page.. Sony doesn't need to write a rule to devs to end a procedure if they want, same for MS, they can pressure just fine. devs don't have any say in this actually, it's the publishers that do this. with EA setting taking the first step so directly only the likes of ubisoft would remains insisting on the passes but i doubt it when they can much more easily do it the "Sony/MS way"..
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 12:33 PM - 06/17/13
X1 check in can be done with a cell phone over smart glass. Cool
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 01:12 PM - 06/17/13
a nice interactive 3d model of the ps4
https://sketchfab.com/show/b7LzIm8JrnPw4GBDOMBNGYc39qM

same for the xbox
https://sketchfab.com/show/qsRPEw7hTKC4E02XMop9DUpu2wb
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:46 PM - 06/17/13
The Boner will be noisy btw looks like it has a Fan in the Kinect thing also. Nice 3D, thanks Odin.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Xog on 06:39 PM - 06/17/13
in an interview with reddit and angry joe major nelson made clear that exactly that wont be possible
you cannot share games with friends
there will be certain measurements to prevent this

links plx kthx

i no longer have the reddit interview link but heres the angry joe video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RtSGFryKwo

came here to post that

and you're interpreting it wrong. Major Nelson said that if the publishers of the games want their customers to be able to lend physical games to their friends, then that was completely doable. He said Microsoft will do everything in their power to help the publisher.

also here's the reddit link
http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/1giitc/who_actually_wants_to_buy_anything_from_these/
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 06:41 PM - 06/17/13
The Boner will be noisy btw looks like it has a Fan in the Kinect thing also. Nice 3D, thanks Odin.

Insert FryNotSureIfTrolling.gif

It "looks" noisy. The picture is conveying sound.

Did I miss something?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 06:50 PM - 06/17/13
(http://cdn.meme.li/instances/300x300/38840226.jpg)
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 07:59 PM - 06/17/13
@ mist

man i feel with you, it sucks to think about a new nickname after lots of years


I think when I get PSN, I'll get your tag, I dunno what PSN names are referred to as.  ;D


wait, did you really register "beamimpact" on psn??? :(
i thought it was a joke by yours at that time but now i aint sure anymore lol

http://www.xim3.com/community/index.php?topic=27623.msg337326#msg337326

I didn't register "Beam Impact" on PSN, just 360. I'm borrowing a mate's PS3, trying MW2 using the BO2 ST for 360 & it's perfect, just controls not.  8)

Edit - Oh yeah, I'm Chance_SL on PSN too, getting ready for PS4!  ;D

all right then

must be some other pangya fan that registered the nick then :(

You'd be surprised what's taken, quite a few of my friends have their taken and they aren't even common or desirable handles. I think it's halfway because since it's been  free to register and play on multiple accounts people go through a lot more of them
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 11:02 PM - 06/17/13
Quote
He said Microsoft will do everything in their power to help the publisher.

Yeah like they try to help the publishers right now on Xbox live where there is no physical copy and M$ could sell the games super cheap to help the Game studios but no, they sell super old games for about the double price as you get them used sometimes still even higher as we get them at launch. One of the most  capitalist firms being good to another one when its not the only one and being dependant on it makes me piss myself from laughing.
Helping the studios is clearly just pretextual. Its them who want the money.   
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 11:19 AM - 06/18/13
Studio founder Vince Zampella explained to IGN that neither EA nor Respawn initially planned to go exclusive with Microsoft, but the advantage that its hardware provides was too appealing to pass up. “It allowed us to think of the game a little differently,” he said.

The game offloads computer AI to the cloud as well as dedicated servers, providing a far more smooth and enjoyable online experience.


http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/xbox-ones-cloud-computing-a-major-draw-for-respawns-titanfall-19933

So is he full of the SHIZNIT? Or is the "Cloud" really a factor here. Also, he mentions the Dedicated servers as if just MAYBE the other console may not have offered it.

Or it could just be the Money talking as I'm sure some of you will say. But do you really believe it? Could they've made just as much or more doing multiplatform?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 11:28 AM - 06/18/13
What AI? What game has a good KI? THE WHOLE KI WHOOOHOOO!!!!!! That is half of the Blueray disk and tremendous processing power is needed RIGHT RIGHT RIIIIGHT?
Cmon this is Bull we are not talking about the Xbox 360 here, that would have needed such things.

Golem.de stated the Region lock is so tight Germans will not even be able to buy Austrian Games. They are uncut and mostly English. German synchronisation is mostly as if Arnold Schwarzenegger would speak all your games.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 11:31 AM - 06/18/13
This article (http://www.polygon.com/e3-2013/2013/6/12/4419110/titanfall-respawn) has a lot of good stuff in it.

It actually says the whole reason they went with the Source engine in the first place was b/c it worked so well with the PS3.  When they decided to skip this gen and focus on next gen, it looks like the Xbox offered what they needed to really get the game to where they wanted it to be.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 11:46 AM - 06/18/13
So only this guy, or these guys, have found such "wondrous" features so appealing that they gave up on other platforms because they rather have it than make more money ? features so remarkable that MS itself doesn't market and just leaves it do the devs own discretion. boy are they a confident.

out of so many devs in the business, who i can assure you half value AI a LOT only 1-2 groups saw it as a miracle tech... they must be visionaries then. and tell me again, why on PC this doesn't happen..
LOL


you even break you own theory. studios exist to make money, not the best game ever. so many proofs of that out there from the big greedy bastards like the COD bunch to small or epic outcast studios.. the only real argument devs will have to debate over these features is that it only works online with enough bandwidth, something not everyone wants to commit to for obvious reasons.


that maybe is a very big one. let me give you another small maybe then, Sony started to charge for online MP, MAYBE it's because they need money to pay for dedicated servers..


you really need to learn to distinguish marketing ploys from feature talk. Sony has gakai, you want a better cloud for gaming? it's a whole gen in front of MS, but they can't offload a small AI to it while being the best at streaming games tech??


do you expect MS to come to E3 without any exclusives and stuff? look at them, it's not from their own studios so as it always has been since the Nintendo VS Sega days it's money money... and to be clear Sony is doing the same ofc, even in a more desperate way than MS this gen
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 11:55 AM - 06/18/13
Look I understand why alot of you are hating on the Boner. I'm just posting what a respected Dev is saying. Whether you like it or not, it's his claims, claims like this -

- The AI for the grunts is designed to run off of Microsoft's cloud servers, a service that the Xbox One maker is offering to all game creators on the new console. The cloud service isn't the same as the 24-hour check. That check is lightweight and once a day, at most. Cloud computing can be constant. A game that uses it might have to maintain a connection, most likely. Titanfall's use of it wouldn't be a hassle. After all, the game is multiplayer; it needs to be online just for that, alone.

With Zampella there, I sense I can get some answers on whether this cloud stuff is really just hype. I mention I'd seen plenty of games that don't use the cloud rendering tons of characters on screen, though maybe not in multiplayer. "It’s better to do it on the cloud," Zampella said. "It’s more secure. It’s a better experience. It also lets us focus on the experience we’re giving to you, the rendering experience, all that power. The more we can offload the better, because then we can do more locally on your box." In other words, if they calculate the grunt AI remotely, the Xbox One can spend more processing on graphics.

It's not just that.

The cloud servers, Zampalla said, are "dedicated servers so there’s no host advantage. The game spins up fast." No host system has to be bogged down with that grunt AI. "When that’s handled on the cloud, now it’s the same experience, it’s not lagging for you. If I’m the host, and I’m calculating AI on my box or if we’re both calculating AI on our boxes and we have different things..." That wouldn't be good. The cloud helps. To Titanfall's busy multiplayer design, perhaps it's essential. -


Here's the articule from Kotaku

http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-one-believers-513819282
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 11:59 AM - 06/18/13
microsofts could cant hold what it promises, its just that easy

(http://i.imgur.com/fmBrMjR.gif)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 12:03 PM - 06/18/13
RML i've read that article, i know what you mean. if they did take advantage of this in practice not in theory it could be nice alright.. but MS isn't making any promises nor any showcases. they don't dare speak about this directly anywhere, they only leave it to devs to do it.. but then, who is showcasing this to the devs?

and again, WHY don't they do the same on PC? all of this stinks of fishiness.. it's all i'm saying.. the actual dev talk sounds nice, but i've seen bigger devs talking bigger features that turn out to be pure gimmicks, like say, on PS3 several times.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 12:06 PM - 06/18/13
WHY don't they do the same on PC?

What do you mean by this? 

Are you talking about cloud computing?  Dedicated servers?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BionicTbag on 12:15 PM - 06/18/13
The more we can offload the better,


This could lead to issues, but I assume that M$ would do this @#$%...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Xog on 12:20 PM - 06/18/13
I'm going to order an Xbox One just to be a part of the Microsoft/Xbox/Futuristic Master Race.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 12:21 PM - 06/18/13
WHY don't they do the same on PC?

What do you mean by this? 

Are you talking about cloud computing?  Dedicated servers?

yep.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 12:33 PM - 06/18/13
WHY don't they do the same on PC?

What do you mean by this? 

Are you talking about cloud computing?  Dedicated servers?

yep.

Because there is no giant corporation (like MS/Sony) that oversees the entire platform.  I doubt any independent dev would have the resources or desire needed to setup a cloud computing network that covers the entire world.

With next gen consoles you have MS saying "here devs, we built this huge network of 300,000 servers for you to use at your disposal, have at it!"  Sony might also do the same thing, that's why you see it being done on consoles.

Also, a lot of PC games already run on dedicated servers.  In that case there would be no need for any kind of cloud computing network.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 12:43 PM - 06/18/13
WHY don't they do the same on PC?

What do you mean by this? 

Are you talking about cloud computing?  Dedicated servers?

yep.

Because there is no giant corporation (like MS/Sony) that oversees the entire platform.  I doubt any independent dev would have the resources or desire needed to setup a cloud computing network that covers the entire world.

With next gen consoles you have MS saying "here devs, we built this huge network of 300,000 servers for you to use at your disposal, have at it!"  Sony might also do the same thing, that's why you see it being done on consoles.

Also, a lot of PC games already run on dedicated servers.  In that case there would be no need for any kind of cloud computing network.

i find it hard to believe you don't realise the flaw in your reasoning.

MS can use the same cloud for PC on windows just as easily by working alongside dev's.. they could even do it on mac if they were stupid enough to.

and you are wrong to think that running on dedicated servers covers the need for cloud computing, one thing is completely different in both purpose and resources to the other. nevermind the fact that said servers you are talking about are being paid for by publishers and not MS. why would MS pay to lure people into PC like they do to the box, now that is a very bright question with a very easy answer: they wouldn't, because windows has no real competition unlike xbox. (the point being they could allow it for PC to strong arm studios out of Sony's console while keeping their games multiplatform. but that would lower interest on Xbone. so again MS focusing simply on their agenda and how to further exploit consumers.)

EA isn't the average cat. if they wanted to use cloud computing to add to a game they could do it easily.. look at simcity.. they don't need MS' gifts, but of course spending less money to get to the same place is something very appealing to them. shall we balance the clouds costs vs money made from PC sales and/or subscriptions?


which is why linux, and what valve is doing, is so necessary for consumer happiness...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 12:59 PM - 06/18/13
WHY don't they do the same on PC?

What do you mean by this? 

Are you talking about cloud computing?  Dedicated servers?

yep.

Because there is no giant corporation (like MS/Sony) that oversees the entire platform.  I doubt any independent dev would have the resources or desire needed to setup a cloud computing network that covers the entire world.

With next gen consoles you have MS saying "here devs, we built this huge network of 300,000 servers for you to use at your disposal, have at it!"  Sony might also do the same thing, that's why you see it being done on consoles.

Also, a lot of PC games already run on dedicated servers.  In that case there would be no need for any kind of cloud computing network.

i find it hard to believe you don't realise the flaw in your reasoning.

MS can use the same cloud for PC on windows just as easily by working alongside dev's.. they could even do it on mac if they were stupid enough to.

and you are wrong to think that running on dedicated servers covers the need for cloud computing, one thing is completely different in both purpose and resources to the other. nevermind the fact that said servers you are talking about are being paid for by publishers and not MS. why would MS pay to lure people into PC like they do to the box, now that is a very bright question with a very easy answer: windows has no real competition unlike xbox.

which is why linux, and what valve is doing, is so necessary for consumer happiness...

I find it hard to believe YOU don't realize the flaw in YOUR reasoning.

MS doesn't run the PC platform, nobody does.  It's not up to MS to maintain a worldwide cloud computing network for PC devs to use.

And I'm not wrong about the dedicated servers thing.  MS's cloud computing is nothing more than extra computing power for the devs to utilize, thus freeing up some processing power on your local machine.  Dedicated servers do that just fine.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 01:13 PM - 06/18/13
Hrmmm. We have a huge render farm 100+ machines, over 800 nodes that we use to boost the speed of our viewports. VRAY RT allows us to see a preview of a raytraced image (not just openGL or direct X) in your 3D application viewport. This is essentiall what cloud computing is, a renderfarm.

The problem is, all the information that is "computed" on your "cloud" needs to be sent back to your xbox through your network connection and utilized in a real-time....

Think about it this way.. if you play a PC game on your HD it runs fine. If you run that same game off an external drive connected to your PC using a USB 1.0, it will run super slow (maybe not at all).. and most network connections will send/receive data even slower than that....
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 01:21 PM - 06/18/13

I find it hard to believe YOU don't realize the flaw in YOUR reasoning.

MS doesn't run the PC platform, nobody does.  It's not up to MS to maintain a worldwide cloud computing network for PC devs to use.

And I'm not wrong about the dedicated servers thing.  MS's cloud computing is nothing more than extra computing power for the devs to utilize, thus freeing up some processing power on your local machine.  Dedicated servers do that just fine.

did you read this part at all?
why would MS pay to lure people into PC like they do to the box, now that is a very bright question with a very easy answer: they wouldn't, because windows has no real competition unlike xbox.

EA isn't the average cat. if they wanted to use cloud computing to add to a game they could do it easily.. look at simcity.. they don't need MS' gifts, but of course spending less money to get to the same place is something very appealing to them. shall we balance the clouds costs vs money made from PC sales and/or subscriptions?



everything is ran on servers, both cloud computing and dedicated game servers. that is obvious.. but they set up the systems for different purposes thus a set of machines tailored for one thing may not be the best for the other. otherwise then both Sony and PC already have the tech too in place and not just MS like they claim, the only difference being the numbers and price.

i can run a dedicated server for a game on an average desktop, but i could not use the same desktop for cloud computing in the game with good results.. software requires different things from the hardware, very different.

to further explain my point, take Battlefield as an example. Dice would go mad over cloud for processing so many details of the game and they could do it on PC no problem, as well as on Xbone, and why would Sony be a problem? they could do it too the only problem being having to charge consumers for it, which they would easily do being EA in charge or they could just strike a deal with Sony... makes no sense that this is an Xbone exclusive feature thinking like dedicate servers are plain equals to a cloud.
i think Crytech would also love it.. they build very good AI's and could use the cloud for graphical purposes too in terms of effects..
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 01:29 PM - 06/18/13
Hrmmm. We have a huge render farm 100+ machines, over 800 nodes that we use to boost the speed of our viewports. VRAY RT allows us to see a preview of a raytraced image (not just openGL or direct X) in your 3D application viewport. This is essentiall what cloud computing is, a renderfarm.

The problem is, all the information that is "computed" on your "cloud" needs to be sent back to your xbox through your network connection and utilized in a real-time....

Think about it this way.. if you play a PC game on your HD it runs fine. If you run that same game off an external drive connected to your PC using a USB 1.0, it will run super slow (maybe not at all).. and most network connections will send/receive data even slower than that....

great layman's explanation!

this is why gakai was such an important buy for Sony to keep itself in the business, MS would own them without that, and still software-wise MS still does rape Sony hard.. it's actually very sad MS doesn't overpower Sony through software development alone.. the only thing they did was win the dev work easing on xbox360, but if they didn't then the world would be lost xD
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 02:56 PM - 06/18/13
Hrmmm. We have a huge render farm 100+ machines, over 800 nodes that we use to boost the speed of our viewports. VRAY RT allows us to see a preview of a raytraced image (not just openGL or direct X) in your 3D application viewport. This is essentiall what cloud computing is, a renderfarm.

The problem is, all the information that is "computed" on your "cloud" needs to be sent back to your xbox through your network connection and utilized in a real-time....

Think about it this way.. if you play a PC game on your HD it runs fine. If you run that same game off an external drive connected to your PC using a USB 1.0, it will run super slow (maybe not at all).. and most network connections will send/receive data even slower than that....

Remember MS held a mixer when Onlive went under to snatch up a few of their best. Latency will always be an issue but if it doesn't work then why r&d and then run with it?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 03:14 PM - 06/18/13
My guess is that MS assumes that latency will improve over time. All the statements that MS has made in regards to the cloud seem to be geared towards "forward thinking"... as in, "its not here yet but when it gets here we'll be ready"....

According this article the US's average internet speed is 7.4Mbps

https://www.cabletechtalk.com/broadband-internet/u-s-moves-up-in-average-worldwide-internet-speed-rankings/

However, developers cant create games to this 7.4Mbps benchmark because there will always be 49% of the population that has <7.4Mbps connection.. so I think what we're likley to see is games running fine AS-IS, but things like textures / resolutions being uprezed the faster your connection is... That would be in the future, you cant do jack squat with 7.4Mbps coming in......
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Xog on 03:24 PM - 06/18/13
http://www.xim3.com/community/index.php?topic=21198.msg258267#msg258267
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 03:27 PM - 06/18/13
Yeah, exactly. I hadn't read this thread, but ObsIV said exactly what I've been explaining:

"I may as well chime in here as I have an opinion on this one.  I don't think cloud-gaming is going to become mainstream. My reasons are: 1) network latency, and 2) Moore's Law. For network latency, acceptable network input latency for high-fidelity AAA title video delivery to the full target customer base doesn't exist now and won't for a very long time. And, even more important, is the continuing trend of cheaper/smaller high processing power devices invalidating the benefits of providing that same power remotely in the cloud."
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 03:37 PM - 06/18/13
meh with proper coding from devs things like AI can be very effective over cloud actually.. the amount of data going around doesn't need to be very big and they can refresh in set intervals or use triggers to demand info at key moments to minimise latency issues..

simple use case:

throw nade at bot, send trigger alert to cloud, cloud process bot escape, send course of action to bot.

player pulls out rocket launcher, send trigger to cloud, cloud processes bot priorities, focus player with the RL using special attack


also for textures they can use cloud to do the physics calculations and only send the data of what actually happens to the gfx.. so a "small" package can really offload a LOT of data processing effectively..



but i don't mean to disagree that the average internet speeds on US are not crappy and quite limiting.. but then again MS openly said you'd net both internet and a proper speed, even if imo they understated the speed needed for good results..

it will be so easy for them to dismiss so many issues and blame it on people's networks, i will laugh so much at xbone owners if it happens... as i will cry if Sony fails to deliver on the paid online MP, won't buy the console before testing it someway and giving time for online scrutiny even if i get the money...

God i hope Sony doesn't overdo the stupid facebook integrations and social annoyances like it's most likely they will..
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 03:47 PM - 06/18/13
i don't see gakai being of value as a service to stream games, i really don't and i don't need to be a beta tester for that.. to me OB's comment pretty much sums it up..

the way i was mentioning it before is about Sony using it to keep up with MS on the whole cloud assist thing and networking tech..

something MS can foam all they want but they'll never have (atm) is a Vita to a) play streamed games from PS4 over local wi-fi; and b) use as a controller or remote play "soft games" over good internet connections.. that for me is quite the feature set.. and let's not get into the "play with your tablet" debate. MS would be smart not remarkably stupid if they stream to PC etc since they own windows.. i mean, even the TV services they love so much would come in handy streamed to windows. but you know MS, MurpSerp #nothingsincegatesrmissing



wi-fi ac norms are really good for streaming anything around as long as you have the full bandwidth available btw finally we have that!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 03:47 PM - 06/18/13
official sony ad in the sun reveals a release date
21th of november

not sure how far gaikai is, but the ad claims to stream ps3 games
lets see if it works on launch, there are some ps3 games id really like to play

(http://www.next-gamer.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/PS4-Release-Datum.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 04:44 PM - 06/18/13
since cboat was right with all of his/her leaks by now, i  thought to also share the following of him/her
its what i thought is the real reason behind all those 300.000 servers being online in the first place

Quote
^_^ cloudpower=praroleofficer. desined from [email protected] DRM. peirod. uknoo this alreyad thogh.,, MS idaea. aproached third parties wplan not otherway around. EA/Ubi bigest boostrs but lesa Activbliz whcih makes mye haed fulll of weird#!

^_^ ONE drm tos plans iws worse than you know. asmnow btw but I can;t get cororobating proof frrorm my fpeoples. theyr sadcared for jobs. it s com*ing tho IT IS COMING ):

translation

Quote
3. Cloud power was designed as DRM. Period. DRM was Microsoft's idea. EA and Ubisoft are supporters, Activision slightly less so.

4. DRM plans are actually worse than what they've stated.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 05:33 PM - 06/18/13
od1n don't put any money on gakai for day1, and they said 2014 for it so not at launch no.

wow. that translations i actually quite necessary. and i pride myself of being able to interpret most writings...
that guy seriously want to hide his writing style or something xD


that doesn't surprise me at all but what does bother me is that Sony wants digital DRM just as much as MS, they are just not in the financial place to do it. and they are just playing those cards like they did at E3 strictly because Sony is so deep in capital sh*t they need to make every cent possible.. they must be so happy with MS, Sony are proly Xbone's biggest fanboy ever, and they will continue to love MS to the bone for paving the way they will follow and MS soaking all the heat for it instead of them.. it's not even funny.

Sony was already pushing digital so they can DRM the crap out of us before all of this mess, and now, it's like all-you-can-DRM-on-digital buffet...
even PC will end up on a worsening path after a while i tell you
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 05:59 PM - 06/18/13
Lol...

I love how a simple mention of the "Cloud" gets this thread a rollin again!

That's awesome.

Where's Rabbit?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 06:10 PM - 06/18/13
Lol...

I love how a simple mention of the "Cloud" gets this thread a rollin again!

That's awesome.

Where's Rabbit?

door no1 - working
door no2 - drunk
door no3 - playing with vuvuzelas

any combination of the doors may be aplicable..


actually this would have been a much better joke on a natgeo documentary tone..
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 06:52 PM - 06/18/13
A few others in search of the mysterious Cloud!


(http://www.whatsonxiamen.com/news_images/e9eb3762c0745a72e3948122_camp1.jpg)

(http://picfave.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/cliff-camping.jpg)

(http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4578904355572193&pid=1.7)

(http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4845596032369880&pid=1.7)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 08:37 PM - 06/18/13
Nerves of steel.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: tuffrabit on 09:02 PM - 06/18/13
sigh
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 10:52 PM - 06/18/13
No No and NO to those pics.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 05:24 AM - 06/19/13
lol the last picture must be a joke haha
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 05:49 AM - 06/19/13
lol the last picture must be a joke haha

i actually see more pic no2 as a joke simply because things tend to get messy when a boy and a girl sleep together..

would be a very nice way to beat terminal cancer though, flying (free fall may not be flying but it's close enough) to your (instant) death after being with the girl you love sounds like the way to go meet your ancestors...

- grand-grandparents: "hey son, how did you get here so soon?"
- "hey pops, oh you know, my princess sent me flyin'.. next thing i knew: heaven" ^^
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 07:20 AM - 06/19/13
With AI in the cloud now you can:

~Lag in single player games!
~Lag switch in single player!
~Have a chance against veteran bots because it takes them 100+ms to realize you're there!

Also, just to make sure we ate all on the same page by now, we all understand that the cloud won't:

-Increase your resolution
-Increase your frame rate
-Increase your texture quality
-Load your game faster
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: attila4go on 07:35 AM - 06/19/13
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4 (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4)

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-xbox-one (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-xbox-one)

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 07:38 AM - 06/19/13
the text below the dead rising 3 picture pretty much says it all
microsoft currently is harvesting crops from a high end pc
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BionicTbag on 07:53 AM - 06/19/13
With AI in the cloud now you can:

~Lag in single player games!
~Lag switch in single player!
~Have a chance against veteran bots because it takes them 100+ms to realize you're there!

Also, just to make sure we ate all on the same page by now, we all understand that the cloud won't:

-Increase your resolution
-Increase your frame rate
-Increase your texture quality
-Load your game faster



Lets change the page?




I want to say the cloud can assist in your list of NOs


as the cloud will take away the need for your XBONE to process additional @#$%, so it has more power to produce your graphics, frame rate, texture quality, and it should assist in load times as well, matter of a fact it should stop most of the loading on huge environments, says M$...  they say specifically it will help with load times.. so that one for sure is incorrect In My Opinion
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 08:05 AM - 06/19/13
With AI in the cloud now you can:

~Lag in single player games!
~Lag switch in single player!
~Have a chance against veteran bots because it takes them 100+ms to realize you're there!

Also, just to make sure we ate all on the same page by now, we all understand that the cloud won't:

-Increase your resolution
-Increase your frame rate
-Increase your texture quality
-Load your game faster



Lets change the page?




I want to say the cloud can assist in your list of NOs


as the cloud will take away the need for your XBONE to process additional @#$%, so it has more power to produce your graphics, frame rate, texture quality, and it should assist in load times as well, matter of a fact it should stop most of the loading on huge environments, says M$...  they say specifically it will help with load times.. so that one for sure is incorrect In My Opinion

All games are installed to hard drive, is your net speed faster than your hard drive? If yes, maybe it'll help. If not, maybe it'll help a little. Let's hope the US doesn't move to metered connections for home like the mobile industry has.

Also, your GPU does most of that work and you are used to seeing it done in far less time than a round trip to the azure server.

What exactly do you think it is? Also keep in mind that it still didn't work as of E3 or I'm sure they would have shown us a direct comparison with a cloud and non cloud version of the same game. Instead they waved their magic marketing wand.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 08:08 AM - 06/19/13
loading of huge environments? no.
the cloud will take away the need for your XBONE to process additional @#$%, so it has more power to produce your graphics, frame rate, texture quality, and it should assist in load times as well, matter of a fact it should stop most of the loading on huge environments

Not true Tbag, not the way it is now. Even if you had 10000 super computers calculating your stupid game that creates 1000000000GBs of info, you still have to get all that data back to your xbox through your crappy internet connection.

Your standard 7200RPM HD can run information at 6GB/second.
Your standard internet connection can run info 7.5Mbps.

Thats a VERY small, almost insignificant amount.

We're not there yet.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 08:30 AM - 06/19/13
loading of huge environments? no.
the cloud will take away the need for your XBONE to process additional @#$%, so it has more power to produce your graphics, frame rate, texture quality, and it should assist in load times as well, matter of a fact it should stop most of the loading on huge environments

Not true Tbag, not the way it is now. Even if you had 10000 super computers calculating your stupid game that creates 1000000000GBs of info, you still have to get all that data back to your xbox through your crappy internet connection.

Your standard 7200RPM HD can run information at 6GB/second.
Your standard internet connection can run info 7.5Mbps.

Thats a VERY small, almost insignificant amount.

We're not there yet.

not to mention the internal BUS speed of the consoles itself :)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 08:37 AM - 06/19/13

Your standard 7200RPM HD can run information at 6GB/second.
Your standard internet connection can run info 7.5Mbps.

Thats a VERY small, almost insignificant amount.

We're not there yet.

let's not even bring SATA3, PCI-e or SSD's into the talk because PC will completely ruin this thread in 2 seconds xD

it's so lovely that DEDICATED machines these days can barely be on par with multipurpose, issue-plagued driver dependent, OS ruined, but sadly expensive machines we like to call PCs.

again, linux and some related stuff will seriously threaten MS if situation favours it. i wish the likes of J.Carmack would make it their pet project. too bad that kind of talk is too good to come true on the world we live in.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 08:56 AM - 06/19/13

Your standard 7200RPM HD can run information at 6GB/second.
Your standard internet connection can run info 7.5Mbps.

Thats a VERY small, almost insignificant amount.

We're not there yet.

let's not even bring SATA3, PCI-e or SSD's into the talk because PC will completely ruin this thread in 2 seconds xD

it's so lovely that DEDICATED machines these days can barely be on par with multipurpose, issue-plagued driver dependent, OS ruined, but sadly expensive machines we like to call PCs.

again, linux and some related stuff will seriously threaten MS if situation favours it. i wish the likes of J.Carmack would make it their pet project. too bad that kind of talk is too good to come true on the world we live in.


They aren't on par because they are a fraction of the cost of what you mentioned.

However,

$400 PS4 > $400 PC for a while at least.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 09:52 AM - 06/19/13
but sadly expensive machines we like to call PCs.



They aren't on par because they are a fraction of the cost of what you mentioned.

However,

$400 PS4 > $400 PC for a while at least.

people never read everything, just what they like apparently..  :P


i should hope so. but if a major OEM decided to make dedicated PC's for gaming in a steambox manner with proper investment and on a very VERY symbiotic relation with Valve i assure you they could make it so $400d PC > $400 PS4. all they are lacking is the major investment, because they could get the returns needed in some years time.. but we are talking very risky investment and in the possible worst time in history for it
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: GreyMouser on 10:00 AM - 06/19/13
Very cheesy commercial showing some PS4 interface features. Who writes these things?
LOL
http://www.youtube.com/v/7s32Q7MxvH0&hd=1
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 10:01 AM - 06/19/13
the article is old, but I still missed it somehow. Still very interesting, u see some mainboard pictures of xbone.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4/2
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 10:48 AM - 06/19/13
MS > Sony in commercials all the way.. and all you have to say is that Sony is Jap. those guys are a different breed as far as ads go, it's def the weirdest crap on youtube excluding ciryak's work...
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 12:02 PM - 06/19/13
but sadly expensive machines we like to call PCs.



They aren't on par because they are a fraction of the cost of what you mentioned.

However,

$400 PS4 > $400 PC for a while at least.

people never read everything, just what they like apparently..  :P


i should hope so. but if a major OEM decided to make dedicated PC's for gaming in a steambox manner with proper investment and on a very VERY symbiotic relation with Valve i assure you they could make it so $400d PC > $400 PS4. all they are lacking is the major investment, because they could get the returns needed in some years time.. but we are talking very risky investment and in the possible worst time in history for it

The only ways out could be cheaper is if

1. They sold at a bigger loss
2. They manufactured a much higher volume to get the parts cheaper
3. A combination of 1 and 2

I don't think that would happen at this point unless Apple decided to make a gaming console, which is unlikely. But they would price it at a premium anyway so...
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 01:14 PM - 06/19/13
The only ways out could be cheaper is if

1. They sold at a bigger loss
2. They manufactured a much higher volume to get the parts cheaper
3. A combination of 1 and 2

I don't think that would happen at this point unless Apple decided to make a gaming console, which is unlikely. But they would price it at a premium anyway so...

i didn't say anything about cheaper. you don't study engineering do you? it's all about how you use what you have. it should be what MS would have most in their favor since they "invented" the Xbox 0 but it's MS, they never get anything right as it should...

i was thinking along the lines of Samsung, nevermind the fact that Samsung could actually get a console done cheaper than everyone else, they are very well placed on the market to do such a thing and they could very well accept the Valve symbiosis without issue..

about selling at a loss that is kinda a given, money would come back through Steam sales. Valve being Valve could disregard profits a bit in exchange for the investment and support. Gabe is smart enough to do it, the problem is really the investor side, R&D is expensive as gold...
Title: Re: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 01:41 PM - 06/19/13
The only ways out could be cheaper is if

1. They sold at a bigger loss
2. They manufactured a much higher volume to get the parts cheaper
3. A combination of 1 and 2

I don't think that would happen at this point unless Apple decided to make a gaming console, which is unlikely. But they would price it at a premium anyway so...

i didn't say anything about cheaper. you don't study engineering do you? it's all about how you use what you have. it should be what MS would have most in their favor since they "invented" the Xbox 0 but it's MS, they never get anything right as it should...

i was thinking along the lines of Samsung, nevermind the fact that Samsung could actually get a console done cheaper than everyone else, they are very well placed on the market to do such a thing and they could very well accept the Valve symbiosis without issue..

about selling at a loss that is kinda a given, money would come back through Steam sales. Valve being Valve could disregard profits a bit in exchange for the investment and support. Gabe is smart enough to do it, the problem is really the investor side, R&D is expensive as gold...

Ugh just as slow and arrogant as ever aren't you. You implied same price for greater power, when you apply logic to that statement you can get same power for cheaper price.

Samsung will have to wait until PS4 or XB1 comes out on top so they can decide who to copy. And it'll have to be android powered because Samsung phones were @#$% before android, so I doubt the can make a console OS.

I guess foxconn could make a cheaper console to couldn't they...

Title: Re: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 02:12 PM - 06/19/13
Ugh just as slow and arrogant as ever aren't you. You implied same price for greater power, when you apply logic to that statement you can get same power for cheaper price.

notice the difference in the elegance of my remark vs the crude insults from you towards myself?


now i know for sure you are not in engineering, and i don't mean IT, any engineering would do. heck math or physics areas in general.

indeed your logic is correct out of context, to be clear. but in this particular area that may not hold trust me, several people in this forum should back up my claims if they chose to. you see the thing is there are these "sweet spots" where cost efficiency is at the peak and that moving upwards/downwards from that will lower said cost efficiency. even in games there are plenty of examples of that, but ofc game logic doesn't always apply to real life contrary to this case.

we could have discussed this without any offensive talk, as in insults. my remark was not meant as any demeaning to you. not everyone can master the same things, and thank God for that, so it's only normal i don't see a point in some themes as easily as someone else. doesn't mean i have anything lacking other than knowledge.. and to my knowledge there isn't anyone on the course of history who knew everything in the world.

i'm not slow in any way. neither has anyone whom i've met said such a thing.


Samsung will have to wait until PS4 or XB1 comes out on top so they can decide who to copy. And it'll have to be android powered because Samsung phones were @#$% before android, so I doubt the can make a console OS.

I guess foxconn could make a cheaper console to couldn't they...



foxconn could sure.. more so than Sammy.

i understand you are joking but actually as far as OS goes linux is the way and nothing else. with a Valve overlay.. i agree that if it was Samsung making the UI it would be crap, worse than Sony's by far which is very concerning.. even if it was a UI by Valve it would suck as does Steam's...

i like their game's GUI's though. i wish cannonical made a or the linux community made the OS, they'd do a better job than basically anyone xD
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 03:08 PM - 06/19/13
and now?

Quote
So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:

An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.

Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.

In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 03:13 PM - 06/19/13
http://kotaku.com/microsoft-is-removing-xbox-one-drm-514390310?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow

HOLY CRAP MS WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU LOL

well it's very good news, if only they'd drop the spy-kinect BS


i can't wait to see if Sony will answer this... it destroys half their campaign

boy oh boy this is starting to be one hell of a new gen war, kinda makes you wish Nintendo decided to jump in the game instead of being that nerd playing pokemon on his gameboy by the goal ^^
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 03:50 PM - 06/19/13
is today 1st April by a chance? Or did a game reporter troll us by a chance?

Will first believe when the console is here and several ppl have confirmed it.

Just incase its the truth, all of us need tho thank ourselves and sony also. Without sony ms would show us a huge middle finger and tell us to go s.tfu and suck on a lemon. Fkn bunch of capitalist sh1teaters.

Now they come sliming our as.ses because they want our money and know that ppl would boykott their mediocre piece of sh1t console with all the restrictions. Looks like some analysts who have a clue told MS how retarded their plans were and told them to stop the sh1t as soon as they can.

At least ppl responsible for damage control seem to not be total morons like those who came up with shady idiotic ideas.

The news can be read on official xbox site too right here:

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 03:58 PM - 06/19/13
a step into the right direction
now lets get that kinect stuff away and its all good

the gap in terms of gpu output still wont make me buy the xbox
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 04:03 PM - 06/19/13
I feel bad for Adam Orth :( That was all for nothing.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 04:07 PM - 06/19/13
Souver they see the future man! it's just that the consumers that will buy said future are refusing to accept it with their wallets, those stupid bastards consumer dudes! xD

i already disliked MS before they build the 360 but if i didn't this whole mess along with win8 would be the turning point for sure...

i still thank MS dearly for making this an actual competition now, i hope they bend Sony's behind so the PS4 gets some new selling points now that some are gone.


and to any Xboner future owner reading this, good luck when MS decides to rape you after it's too late.. "fool me once..." and they will pull it off. there are some holes in this reversal i wonder how will MS exploit them if they choose to do so.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 04:11 PM - 06/19/13
ak-xs maybe they want to see the future
in realty they will see nothing unless they drop to a 399€ price + stuff like better indi support, better gpu, no kinect

i mean who is willing to pay 100€ more for weaker specs, makes no sense at all
price is still argument nr1

Quote from: FlyFaster
So now xbone is just a weaker, more expensive, kinnect mandatory PS4.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 04:27 PM - 06/19/13
and this my friends is HOW TO TELL IF SOME REPORTER IS BIASed:

http://gizmodo.com/the-xbox-one-just-got-way-worse-and-its-our-fault-514411905?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

now at first glance he's onto something right? not MS fanboi at all right? WRONG!

i agree with him that this had negative impacts despite the positives, could not agree more. but you who decided to bring those bad things ? was it the consumers outcry that demanded them? are they mandatory after reversing the other stuff? HA don't make me laugh, MS is behaving like a 13year old b*tch girldfriend..

"oh so you are saying that other girl is beautiful? then i will fu*k your best friend. how do you like me now ?"
no more family share. no more full game install needing the disc to play.etc

Sony let's you share your digital games with AT LEAST 1 person currently. and that was 5 before. odds are that won't change without something external to Sony influencing it. i think this is the perfect time for a demand or at least the start of the quest to get it on PS4, preferably with that 5 number. Steam is rumored to be preparing something like game lending so this is it. this is that point in history that will be referred to decades from now..

either we demand now or lose rights forever. called it!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 04:30 PM - 06/19/13
See what can happen if people speak their mind and ban together?... now if only we could do this for things that are really important.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 04:30 PM - 06/19/13
lmao guys if you saw the Angry Joe interview Major Nelson at E3, take a look at this image lmao:

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18rcbhz0hr4xcjpg/ku-medium.jpg)

Also this one isfunny too:

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18mjvrxxbfjtljpg/ku-medium.jpg)
now change the name too away from the fail name:

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18rc8lu5t8r5opng/ku-xlarge.png)

and this my friends is HOW TO TELL IF SOME REPORTER IS BIASed:

http://gizmodo.com/the-xbox-one-just-got-way-worse-and-its-our-fault-514411905?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

now at first glance he's onto something right? not MS fanboi at all right? WRONG!

This guy is a retard clearly and/or trolling. Hes complaining abot features were gonna miss through stepping back from drm and 24h check in, yet no concrete features we are gonna lose were mentioned specifically. So its speculation at best. What features? What could you possible get from having DRM on every game and connecting to internet once every 24 hours for like 1-2 minutes? Nonsense.

That guy really makes no sense and is just provoking with his bs article. I guess he just wanted to stand out from 100s other sites reporting the same news and attention wh0re.

Just ignore the moron.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 04:35 PM - 06/19/13
"Today's news proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the internet has a voice. You're heard, and you can effect change in the things that you care about deeply. It's oddly fitting that the news comes as fan-saved Futurama gets ready to go off the air again. But today also proves how widely that nerd-influence can swing an entire generation of hardware, based solely on the whims of internet jokes based on information that isn't even accurate, and tinfoil fears about worst-case scenarios."

so he says we have a voice. and he talks about futurama which as a response to an outcry was saved and is now dying all the same again, as in, that voice means sh1t! LOL

other than that he doesn't lie outright in that citation, but the tone he uses is quite revealing. i can do that to very easily and i'm not a reporter, i'm not even in a wrod based line of work (don't joke coding uses words please be serious xD and also don't need the "y so serious?" quote LOL)

man i hope MS at least pays these guys otherwise they must be very mentally impaired. well engadget and gizmodo are known to be biased and allegedly bought  by many of their readers..
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 04:39 PM - 06/19/13
"But today also proves how widely that nerd-influence can swing an entire generation of hardware, based solely on the whims of internet jokes based on information that isn't even accurate, and tinfoil fears about worst-case scenarios."

I love whoever wrote this.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 04:44 PM - 06/19/13
"But today also proves how widely that nerd-influence can swing an entire generation of hardware, based solely on the whims of internet jokes based on information that isn't even accurate, and tinfoil fears about worst-case scenarios."

I love whoever wrote this.

you do realise the info WAS accurate, fears were PROVEN, and it was more of a MS-SAID-IT'LL-BE scenario

also was said from the same person that claims as almost certain that MS would lower prices in Steam like fashion base on thin air. because not even MS implied such thing, quite the opposite if anything.

i hope that was meant as an irony or that you just liked the wording.. ^^
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 04:47 PM - 06/19/13
Yeah like anyone is stupid enough to get influenced by nerds, based on inaccurate internet jokes. Nonsense.

I suppose nerds should make some internet jokes about politics, lets see if government gonna change their decisions.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 05:04 PM - 06/19/13
i guess main reason was the lack in sales
ps4 outsold xbox in pretty much any store

by the way, the latest changes also mean that the 10 family project doesnt work anymore, am i right?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 05:18 PM - 06/19/13
Yeah like anyone is stupid enough to get influenced by nerds, based on inaccurate internet jokes. Nonsense.

I suppose nerds should make some internet jokes about politics, lets see if government gonna change their decisions.

man i'd love to see it done yesterday xD


i guess main reason was the lack in sales
ps4 outsold xbox in pretty much any store

by the way, the latest changes also mean that the 10 family project doesnt work anymore, am i right?

you are, they were very explicit about that. they really mean EVERYTHING will be JUST like IT IS NOW in the 360. they panic-defaulted LOL
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 05:57 PM - 06/19/13
I'm tired of people saying we would have seen lowered prices from Microsoft if they adopted the steam model. It's not true. Look at their current prices, when they are trying to compete with the used game market, they prices are outrageous. When they gimp their competitor, why they hell would they benevolently lower prices?

Let's look for some other clues. They made the dashboard less efficient so they could fit a bunch of ads in it, and I didn't see the cost of my XBL membershit go down.

Has Microsoft recently taken something else that was a good idea and could be used in tandem with their current offerings and wholly F'ed it up? Yeah, Windows 8 metro UI forced on desktop users. Who thought that was a good idea? Oh the same people that thought it was a good idea that you couldn't play a single player game alone in your basement if you didn't check into an online server while your kinect listens to you call and order Papa Johns pizza in your underwear, only to display you a Domino's ad tomorrow.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: JerginsSoft on 06:54 PM - 06/19/13
Its really good news, for gamers. I'm still really looking forward to the ps4, but now xbox has me curious, and really considering buying both. Before this, I certainly wasn't considering that.

Now to break the news to my wife...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 07:50 PM - 06/19/13
let me tell you why i dislike MS without talking conspiracy-like:



(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18rcpso7kkxrjjpg/k-bigpic.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RoskaL on 08:18 PM - 06/19/13
U lot are actually hilarious. And none of you seem to actually know anything.
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 08:32 PM - 06/19/13
U lot are actually hilarious. And none of you seem to actually know anything.

Bless us with your knowledge oh great one
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 09:29 PM - 06/19/13
Went and put $$$ down for launch PS4 earlier today.   

Talked to a high level / regional manager who oversees or has ties to "a metric @#$% ton" of stores.  In the greater Chicagoland area according to his numbers, most stores have "between 35-50 ps4 pre-orders in each location, and between 10-15 XBox Ones". 

He was shocked, and said their initial allotments have been increased by Sony at every request.  He's hoping the announcement today will get mainstream coverage and help those numbers increase for XBone going forward.

Interestingly enough, he declared himself an "Xbox fanboy through and through" and a "Halo junkie"  but in the end was "pissed at Microsoft for his customers more than anything else."  He felt customers were definitely swayed by the $100 price difference as much as anything.
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RoskaL on 09:37 PM - 06/19/13
U lot are actually hilarious. And none of you seem to actually know anything.

Bless us with your knowledge oh great one
this is exactly what i mean, u see something, u change it to suit what you want it to say

where in what i said does it say i know? it doesn't

everyone is to quick to slag things off, Microsoft announced the xbone. everyone slagged it off. xbone changes because it what the kids want. everyone's slagging it off

all i know is neither of them "care" about gamers especially Sony, they just saw a chance and took it, at least Microsoft had the balls to try and change things. as soon as that went against them they pussied out
if either of them cared for gamers they would allow keyboard and mouse, our own standard jack headsets, just basic stuff like that instead of having to use their own accessories. but hey that money lost to them if they do that

ill be getting the xbone just because iv always had xboxs, im not a "fan-boy", its just what im used to and i dont get why everyone thinks its a battle of gamers, leave the battling to the companies
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: anony on 10:09 PM - 06/19/13

all i know is neither of them "care" about gamers especially Sony, they just saw a chance and took it, at least Microsoft had the balls to try and change things.

ill be getting the xbone just because iv always had xboxs, im not a "fan-boy", its just what im used to and i dont get why everyone thinks its a battle of gamers, leave the battling to the companies

LOL you are a fanboy. Sony has mouse and keyboard support for some games. They have tried. At the end of the day its on the developer to do it. They even have the tac nori mouse adaptor. If anything, Xbox treats gamers worst. Look at PS+, a tonne of free games look at xb live - jack all. Look at Sony - more support for indie games, Look at MS - jack all. They put all their money on Galo, Gears and Kinect.

Face it you are a fanboy in denial
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 10:24 PM - 06/19/13
Shitstorm Vs. M$
4 to ONE

The intentions on M$ were very bad, the gamers wont forget that.  Preordered the Boner again. Next they will lower price as preorders wont change much.

You guys listen to Glenn  he predicted this also quite precisely.  Hes my XIM oracle from now :D
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RoskaL on 10:30 PM - 06/19/13

all i know is neither of them "care" about gamers especially Sony, they just saw a chance and took it, at least Microsoft had the balls to try and change things.



ill be getting the xbone just because iv always had xboxs, im not a "fan-boy", its just what im used to and i dont get why everyone thinks its a battle of gamers, leave the battling to the companies

LOL you are a fanboy. Sony has mouse and keyboard support for some games. They have tried. At the end of the day its on the developer to do it. They even have the tac nori mouse adaptor. If anything, Xbox treats gamers worst. Look at PS+, a tonne of free games look at xb live - jack all. Look at Sony - more support for indie games, Look at MS - jack all. They put all their money on Galo, Gears and Kinect.

Face it you are a fanboy in denial

Lmao get laid. Ur still trying to argue something for what purpose? Incase u get sponsored a free console? Iv never been treated badly on either console, do they give u abuse or something?
Ur still not quite getting it are you
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: anony on 11:37 PM - 06/19/13
Lmao get laid.

Didn't read the rest. Obviously not worth talking to. Go get your xboner and enjoy your kinect
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 12:13 AM - 06/20/13
This should happento COD also there is just no competition sadly.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 01:05 AM - 06/20/13
Hooefully there will be soon.
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 02:51 AM - 06/20/13
U lot are actually hilarious. And none of you seem to actually know anything.

Bless us with your knowledge oh great one
this is exactly what i mean, u see something, u change it to suit what you want it to say

where in what i said does it say i know? it doesn't

everyone is to quick to slag things off, Microsoft announced the xbone. everyone slagged it off. xbone changes because it what the kids want. everyone's slagging it off

all i know is neither of them "care" about gamers especially Sony, they just saw a chance and took it, at least Microsoft had the balls to try and change things. as soon as that went against them they pussied out
if either of them cared for gamers they would allow keyboard and mouse, our own standard jack headsets, just basic stuff like that instead of having to use their own accessories. but hey that money lost to them if they do that

ill be getting the xbone just because iv always had xboxs, im not a "fan-boy", its just what im used to and i dont get why everyone thinks its a battle of gamers, leave the battling to the companies


well when you say other people don't know anything about what they are speaking you must at least know more than them, or how would you know they don't know? magic? i think that's his point.


where exactly are people criticizing the things the Xbone changed to better over the 360? yeah if some company has the balls to change things for worse i will be very vocal about it. must suck to be a fanboi who likes to take up from the behind... i bet you are the kind that if they try to mug and rape you on the street you'll just say "please don't stop i love you" and later shrug it as stockholm syndrome when it suits you.


Sony allows mouse and keyboards since 2006 and your own headphone jack since 2006 too. so knowledgeable you are!


tell you what, it was a battle for consumer rights. a battle for consumer privacy. a battle for consumer freedom. but since you don't get it, i'm sorry to say you clearly have something lacking mentally or emotionally and you should get professional clinical help, no disrespect intended.



Sony doesn't really care for us gamers, so true, but at least they are still worried about courting us and not disappointing us or upsetting us to the point MS did, which is great.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 04:31 AM - 06/20/13
U lot are actually hilarious. And none of you seem to actually know anything.

Bless us with your knowledge oh great one
this is exactly what i mean, u see something, u change it to suit what you want it to say

where in what i said does it say i know? it doesn't

everyone is to quick to slag things off, Microsoft announced the xbone. everyone slagged it off. xbone changes because it what the kids want. everyone's slagging it off

all i know is neither of them "care" about gamers especially Sony, they just saw a chance and took it, at least Microsoft had the balls to try and change things. as soon as that went against them they pussied out
if either of them cared for gamers they would allow keyboard and mouse, our own standard jack headsets, just basic stuff like that instead of having to use their own accessories. but hey that money lost to them if they do that

ill be getting the xbone just because iv always had xboxs, im not a "fan-boy", its just what im used to and i dont get why everyone thinks its a battle of gamers, leave the battling to the companies

And what company does care about the customer? They do what they need to do so that they can make the customer happy because it's in their best interest. At least Sony  was smart enough to look at how gamers respond to that type if DRM on PC and decide it wasn't worth it. And you can use your own stuff on ps3, and they did allow mouse and keyboard on their console. Microsoft has been boning the customer this whole current gen. Everything they sold was super marked up. $60 Wi-Fi adapter, Sony had it built in. $60 dollar wireless mic, Sony accepted any Bluetooth headset. First party only wireless accessories. Memory cards way marked up, Sony let you use USB storage. 

The fact that you are getting one console over the other without making an informed decision, just because you've always had one, then going on the internet and defending your console of choice without knowing anything about the current or next gen competition is exactly what a fanboy would do.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 05:12 AM - 06/20/13
*clap*clap* PlaDale.

and let's not forget Sony let's you on both PS3 and PS4 change the HDD just fine, scram an SSD in there for all they care... MS and the Xbone will charge you A LOT when your HDD get's full. (to be clear, i mean a lot more than what the simple HDD will cost. and that is if they LET YOU put a new one in there and don't just say "buye the new Xbone slim")

that to me is a dealbreaker by itself. my PSN+ ALONE in a year has used around +550GB so a nex-gen oriented 500GB will be nothing. i think 1TB even won't suffice.. i used to have music in the PS3 and the occasional movie for non-gaming intervals at friends house's now i have digital games i can't install due to lack of space since i only have 500GB HDD on the PS3...

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 05:16 AM - 06/20/13
AND THE XBOX ONE IS NOT REGION FREE.

MS HAS NOT SAID SO ATM. they only said you can play offline anywhere in the world, which could be just that you can take your NA Xbone on vacation with you as long as you buy the power adaptors.. they said NOTHING about region unlocked. and all these news sites saying otherwise better luck out and i better be wrong or you will pay for it... literally LOL

someone please correct me on this if i'm wrong, would hate to be talking fudd
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: anony on 05:26 AM - 06/20/13
I smh to all the xbox fanboys. I used to be on xbox but now want to be on ps4 after E3. Theres just so much more benefits to actual gaming. Sony has a strong focus on gamers from now. Xbone doesn't and that worries me as a gamer. They are trying to dive into TV through console users. Think about it, most console users don't want to use their consoles for TV - its a niche. I believe MS is making a huge mistake here.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 05:57 AM - 06/20/13
Went and put $$$ down for launch PS4 earlier today.   

Talked to a high level / regional manager who oversees or has ties to "a metric @#$% ton" of stores.  In the greater Chicagoland area according to his numbers, most stores have "between 35-50 ps4 pre-orders in each location, and between 10-15 XBox Ones". 

He was shocked, and said their initial allotments have been increased by Sony at every request.  He's hoping the announcement today will get mainstream coverage and help those numbers increase for XBone going forward.

Interestingly enough, he declared himself an "Xbox fanboy through and through" and a "Halo junkie"  but in the end was "pissed at Microsoft for his customers more than anything else."  He felt customers were definitely swayed by the $100 price difference as much as anything.

Exactly as I expected. Microsoft didnt change all the BS because "they listened to us". Its likely because they took a look at the preorder numbers and additionally spoke to some independent analysts who have a clue of what would happen, not those as.s sucking Microsofts own ANALysts.

I wish they didnt change their mind THIS EARLY. I wish they sticked to their ridiculous plan and released the console as it was planned to be. It would be hilarious to see them fail and see how many gamers boycott their piece of sh1t hardware and ofcourse games (software). Also it would be hilarious see them come to us sliming our as.ses after theyve failed and changing their whole idiotic DRM system after console's release.

Those restrictions were a deal breaker even if Xbones hardware was on par with ps4. But even now I dont see the real benefit of xbone. If you take away the couple exclusives games, theres nothing else there worth getting the xbone. The hardware is sub par, you get gaynect forced on you. Oh cloud computing I forgot? Which makes xbone 4x more powerful... trololol. U can have better AI with it- amazing! When you look at what type of games are popular (cod, bf) with insanely stupid enemies running at you with a group of 40 other soldiers, and you still mow them down like flies- who the fukc needs better AI? Sure not those COD/BF kids- and honestly those are the most popular games. So theres no reason making the enemy soldiers as smart as professors of elite universities.

But whatever- hey "cloud computing bro, infinite power from the cloud. It makes your console 5000x better" (no it doesnt).
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 07:33 AM - 06/20/13
I agree with whomever said M$ royally screwed up when they included TV with the One. I know it wasn't their undoing but it was a silly Idea if you aren't going to put out a console that is as strong or stronger then the comp. at pure Gaming! I literally only watch 3 things on tv, Walking Dead, G.O.T's and NFL.

So..........  That's Boner Idea #1!

Trying to do this + making everyone purchase a Kinect and still trying to keep a competitive price.

Boner Idea #2!

Counting on SONY to follow their lead with DRM, Regional locks, etc.etc.etc.

Boner Idea #3!

And then there's the biggest Bonehead Idea of all, Believing that Gamers are loyal fans to Anyone! Gamers go wherever the best Gaming is at, at an affordable price.

Lol... truth is ALOT of gamers had been waiting for this day. This is still a generation of gamers that remember how great the PS and PS2 was.

It took M$ and The XBOX over a decade to dethrone the king. They'd do well to remember the past because it only took them 1 E3 to give the reigns back.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 07:47 AM - 06/20/13
They look up to Apple. I think the idea was to solve having no Apple TV and trying to have a Siri TV or whatever Apple is planing.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 07:49 AM - 06/20/13
I agree with whomever said M$ royally screwed up when they included TV with the One. I know it wasn't their undoing but it was a silly Idea if you aren't going to put out a console that is as strong or stronger then the comp. at pure Gaming! I literally only watch 3 things on tv, Walking Dead, G.O.T's and NFL.

So..........  That's Boner Idea #1!

Trying to do this + making everyone purchase a Kinect and still trying to keep a competitive price.

Boner Idea #2!

Counting on SONY to follow their lead with DRM, Regional locks, etc.etc.etc.

Boner Idea #3!

And then there's the biggest Bonehead Idea of all, Believing that Gamers are loyal fans to Anyone! Gamers go wherever the best Gaming is at, at an affordable price.

Lol... truth is ALOT of gamers had been waiting for this day. This is still a generation of gamers that remember how great the PS and PS2 was.

It took M$ and The XBOX over a decade to dethrone the king. They'd do well to remember the past because it only took them 1 E3 to give the reigns back.

let me just say that i watch those series but NEVER on TV and always on PC.. the reality is everyone has a PC more or less these days and gamers in particular are prone to take advantage of piracy and other stuff, isn't that why they go to all the trouble of DRM? makes no sense to me how can someone be so far from this simple reality and logic.. Gamers are not the TV no1 fans and people that want TV entertainment and whatnot usually have "better" alternatives.. it's like what has been said, they aimed at a niche like it was the mass.

they could do so much more with a full Windows kernel running along side the console OS, but then again they don't want to cannibalize PC or tablet, so they can only add and not "compete" with them...
so many people in the business are crying "MS drop Xbox OS on PC/tablet/wtvr" and for such good reason..
Sony already does it, they have the complete habitat and it was a big turning point for them since they started to endorse it.. Vaio,Xperia tablet,Xperia phones, Vita. the whole PSMobile is the core idea just done poorly (hey it's Sony, ofc they would be like this xD)



You 'MURICAns like to take BS so much. Football (i don't mean your pansy ape sport, i mean "soccer") here is bigger than NFL there times 10 and most people watch the games in coffee shops or the PC as far as our demographic is concerned because they won't burn the cash unless the older generation pays to install "Sport TV" paid channels in the living room, and God forbid someone tried to use the fantasy football features in the midst of a game, a lot father-son murders would be on the news i assure you xD


they could have leveraged the same stuff, all the Xbox one capabilities so much better so easily.. and like, i don't know, EVERY gen since gaming inception has proven: price is king. look at nintendo selling sh1t like candy just because they have such a low price point
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 07:50 AM - 06/20/13
They look up to Apple. I think the idea was to solve having no Apple TV and trying to have a Siri TV or whatever Apple is planing.

this^
that^
and so much rightness in that statement is epiphanizing
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 07:52 AM - 06/20/13
Yes and this TV thing- its actually through-put of your receiver. Only advantage having this is for lazy ppl to be even more lazy.. So you dont have to press a button on your remote control to switch HDMI input from HDMI1 to HDMI2. You can just say tv and xbox shows u TV... Amazing feature MS, let the fat ppl get even fatter.

Now sure ms has IPTV service, where u stream it from internet, like for example SKY on european xbox 360s. But the quality is rather sh1tty and its as expensive as if you ordered sky via cable or sat if not more expensive. So theres no reason to use the IPTV service from xbox, except your dont have cable or sattelite TV already or youre just too lazy.

Nonsensical morons it just pushed the price higher for features hardly anyone really needs. Same with Gaynect. They even had to use a weaker gpu to stay in a certain price range, otherwise it would even cost 550 dollars or 600.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 08:34 AM - 06/20/13
Football (i don't mean your pansy ape sport, i mean "soccer") here is bigger than NFL there times 10

Although I cannot understand why, I know Soccer is popular in ALOT of countries and looking at the Globe probably the most popular sport in the world. But I wouldn't call Football (NFL style) "Pansy" compared to Soccer. Now maybe if you were comparing to Football to say Rugby.  :)


They look up to Apple. I think the idea was to solve having no Apple TV and trying to have a Siri TV or whatever Apple is planing.

Understandable, they thought maybe they could kill two birds with the ONE stone, Oops.. thought wrong, shouldn't underestimate how important gaming is too Gamers!


God forbid someone tried to use the fantasy football features in the midst of a game, a lot father-son murders would be on the news i assure you xD


Made me Lol....  ;D
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: modwarfare on 09:06 AM - 06/20/13
let me tell you why i dislike MS without talking conspiracy-like:



(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18rcpso7kkxrjjpg/k-bigpic.jpg)


my top results were  ugly, terrible, going to fail, watching you, crap, doom, awesome so wow do your results vary , but good point
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 09:11 AM - 06/20/13
i actually also tried it and those are nowhere near the real results.

google: "the xbox one is always listening"
that is the only one.

bing: won't show me anything actually.


that pic is taken from gizmodo.com and the article much like my post is strickly humorous. not my fault you can't even tell that..


to add to that, let me tell you that the top results of the google hit i pasted are articles from credible news sites talking about kickt responding to voice commands and even for the console turning on. i don't use that kind of feature but i actually think it is quite cool, so long as i can turn it off at will and trust it minimally to stay that way until i decide otherwise..
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 09:27 AM - 06/20/13
(http://www.imgur.com/fBtfcEB.jpeg)

(http://www.imgur.com/4ItVQnt.png)

(http://www.imgur.com/31Q1QsR.png)

(http://www.imgur.com/spcTo0l.png)


Worked for me, if you leave "the"off the front you get different results
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 09:29 AM - 06/20/13
Although I cannot understand why, I know Soccer is popular in ALOT of countries and looking at the Globe probably the most popular sport in the world. But I wouldn't call Football (NFL style) "Pansy" compared to Soccer. Now maybe if you were comparing to Football to say Rugby.  :)


it is the no1, i also don't have a clue why. i like it but i like racing a lot more,even if it's not so exciting to watch. then again i like to be in on the action not just looking as it bores me xD

oh "soccer" is quite the pansy drama queen filled crap especially these days, can't compare to your football that way. but i meant it compared to rugby, those guys are insane..

but i don't really endorse "violent" sports. i do like martial arts though don't bother trying to comprehend xD


RML you can't imagine the apecrap that simple matches provoque or the interference with other spectators in the wrong moment.. i've seen people calmly get up out of their chair in a coffee walk up 2 tables and littlely meteor punch a guy for blocking the guys view at a goal and being too loud on a "vital" moment, the victim went straight to the floor chair followed, almost hit a table which was a miracle or he would die i guess, and stayed down until paramedics came, he was knocked out cold for a good 15 minutes...

not to mention bar fights because people don't shut up and are too loud or to fierce talking about the game, and you guessed it, refs and fallen players..

my friends have gotten real mad at me for not letting them in peace watching a game too several times xD
i've seen family's fight among themselves and being like cats and dogs for weeks just because of something someone did or said during the game.. etc etc pur @#$% moments
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: modwarfare on 09:34 AM - 06/20/13
I don't lnow how to post screeenshot from my laptop otherwise I would but mine reads differently and my phone does too ugly is the top result
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 09:44 AM - 06/20/13
Well maybe u have a Windows Phone..
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 09:53 AM - 06/20/13
im curious how the further development will be like

i mean despite the change in DRM, the xbox one still sucks so bad, its unreal
as a customer with rational intention you still will buy the ps4 as theres just no resonable point in spending more money for the weaker system

i expect microsoft to change a lot more within the next month, yet nothing will let the catch up the hype and sales that sony already has

for me sony already won the fight
best case scenario for microsoft is to catch up to a 50-50 market share
but im not going to see that happening as with every coming month and year the huge difference in gpu output will let the ps4 shine brighter and brighter compared to the boner

a point will come when casuals will ask theirself for why a boner game plays so bad compared to the fluid gameplay on ps4
even casuals can determine a 30fps to 60 fps difference
in a few years the games will have a gfx level that wont allow 60 fps on the boner except you go 640x480 lol
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 09:59 AM - 06/20/13
as a customer with rational intention you still will buy the ps4 as theres just no resonable point in spending more money for the weaker system

This is honestly the most ignorant statement that I have read from this entire "debate".

Get over yourself dude...  stop acting like your opinions are 100% right and anything that even slightly varies is 100% wrong.  People buy consoles for different reasons.

To sit here and call somebody an irrational/unreasonable person simply b/c they want to buy an Xbox...  WOW...  I don't even know what to say to that.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: modwarfare on 10:09 AM - 06/20/13
as a customer with rational intention you still will buy the ps4 as theres just no resonable point in spending more money for the weaker system

This is honestly the most ignorant statement that I have read from this entire "debate".

Get over yourself dude...  stop acting like your opinions are 100% right and anything that even slightly varies is 100% wrong.  People buy consoles for different reasons.

To sit here and call somebody an irrational/unreasonable person simply b/c they want to buy an Xbox...  WOW...  I don't even know what to say to that.

^ THIS
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 10:11 AM - 06/20/13
but hes right, to be honest. Unless MS separates Kinect and makes it optional like sony- I dont quite agree with their price point and selling strategy.

Now ofcourse there are exceptions, like if you really want the boner exclusives and dont like ps4 exclusives, if you really WANT the kinect or the TV fucntions, which by the way is nothing but a though put of an HDMI signal of your SAT receiver / cable receiver. So more like 2 exceptions, because everything else like cloud computing is just a legend at the moment and is very uncertain.

If you dont put any weight on boner exclusives or Kinect- and just look to play multiplattform games and have the best graphics possible, like probably 80-90% of all gamers- its simply unsmart to bank your money on the weaker horse and again pay 100 euro more for something you dont even need AND get weaker hardware too, by the way. Theres just not much sense in doing so judging by the information which was shared so far.

Its like paying more for a weaker Processor which has some gimmicks you dont need when you could buy a cheaper processor that doesnt have the gimicks (you dont really need) but does have more power. What would be the most common sensical decision?

And were not talking about 1-5% more power, were talking about 20-30% more Tflops/second type of power.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 10:12 AM - 06/20/13
as a customer with rational intention you still will buy the ps4 as theres just no resonable point in spending more money for the weaker system

This is honestly the most ignorant statement that I have read from this entire "debate".

Get over yourself dude...  stop acting like your opinions are 100% right and anything that even slightly varies is 100% wrong.  People buy consoles for different reasons.

To sit here and call somebody an irrational/unreasonable person simply b/c they want to buy an Xbox...  WOW...  I don't even know what to say to that.

sure it is, as the reasons of the people buying the boner are not rational but emotional
they buy the console due to friendlist or brand loyality

that has nothing to do with rational thinking

rational thinking means to compare both consoles and pick the better one
and if you do that the ps4 is better in any aspect except for 1 or 2 exclusive games

its not arrogant but the truth
a rational thinking person will NEVER buy a 100€ more expensive console which has 40% the output
makes no sense at all
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 10:16 AM - 06/20/13
as a customer with rational intention you still will buy the ps4 as theres just no resonable point in spending more money for the weaker system

This is honestly the most ignorant statement that I have read from this entire "debate".

Get over yourself dude...  stop acting like your opinions are 100% right and anything that even slightly varies is 100% wrong.  People buy consoles for different reasons.

To sit here and call somebody an irrational/unreasonable person simply b/c they want to buy an Xbox...  WOW...  I don't even know what to say to that.

sure it is, as the reasons of the people buying the boner are not rational but emotional
they buy the console due to friendlist or brand loyality

that has nothing to do with rational thinking

rational thinking means to compare both consoles and pick the better one
and if you do that the ps4 is better in any aspect except for 1 or 2 exclusive games

its not arrogant but the truth
a rational thinking person will NEVER buy a 100€ more expensive console which has 40% the output
makes no sense at all

So...

What if I'm a person that is looking forward to the TV integration?

What if I enjoyed Kinect games and am looking forward to the new and improved Kinect?

What if I can't afford a gaming PC but still want to play Titanfall?

What if I don't want to be a part of a network that has a history of MAJOR security problems?

What if...

What if...

What if...


There are plenty of reasons to choose Xbox.  They might not apply you personally, but the reasons are there and they are valid.  Again, get over yourself.

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: modwarfare on 10:19 AM - 06/20/13
Odin^
I guess with your logic the original wii and ps2 should have rationally failed since the wii was the weakest system to come out that generation with the most gimmicks and the ps2 was weaker than the original xbox. But we know features (what you call gimmicks),  game titles, and exclusives do matter. I think the ps4 will win, but there is room for both consoles to do well. Hell all three consoles did well last generation.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 10:22 AM - 06/20/13
What if I'm a person that is looking forward to the TV integration?

What if I enjoyed Kinect games and am looking forward to the new and approved Kinect?

What if I can't afford a gaming PC but still want to play Titanfall?

What if I don't want to be a part of a network that has a history of MAJOR security problems?

What if...

What if...

What if...


There are plenty of reasons to choose Xbox.  They might apply you personally, but the reasons are there and they are valid.  Again, get over yourself.

TV integration is nothing but through-put of HDMI signal, so theres technically no difference if u send the signal via boner or directly to TV.

Kinect and Exclusive games are a valid reason indeed, but Respawn didnt rule out a later version for PS4, so waiting couple of weeks/months might be the solution here.

We dont know how the Network will be in the future consoles, so its just speculation. There are some reasons that speak for the boner indeed, but lets not split the sand corns here. If you exclude those 3-4 scenarios which speak for the boner, there will be like 96 other scenarios left that speak for the ps4, judging by the hardware power alone, price point etc.

@modernwarfare- wii was like 2x cheaper than the rest, had a unique, non gimmicky gaming experience with the remote control where u didnt look like a moron when playing with it, contrary to the Kinect. So this example is broken.

PS2 was weaker than the xbox although not by 20-30% which is whats the alleged difference btw. boner and ps4, but PS2 also had like 50 times more exclusives than boner 1. THat is not the case with the next gen. So that examply also kinda doesnt apply. Also PS2 wasnt 100 euro more expensive than boner 1 was at the same time having weaker hardware.

But I agree both consoles have potentioal, thats again if ms separates Kinect and goes down with the price. No real gamer wants to play Gaynectimals and hump around like a moron in Gaynect Sports.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 10:36 AM - 06/20/13
I'm buying both consoles but, Honestly, if the Boner offers dedicated servers for all their games and PS4 doesn't then I'll only be playing the Boner, just saying. Please note that in no way did I say this is factual, it would just appear right now that this scenario could play out.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 10:36 AM - 06/20/13
TV integration is nothing but through-put of HDMI signal, so theres technically no difference if u send the signal via boner or directly to TV.

If my memory serves me correctly, and it may not since the conference was so long ago, it appeared to be more than just a through-put of the signal.  Things like snapping the TV to the sidebar so both are visible simultaneously (kinda like PiP), realtime checking/editing of fantasy rosters, live alerts of events that affect your fantasy team (like somebody scoring a TD) and the ability to instantly bring that up on TV to watch, etc. are supposed to exist (I think).

Those features I mentioned might not be 100% accurate because tbh I don't care about the TV stuff and didn't pay much attention to it, but I do know that it does more than simply playing your TV signal through the Xbox.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 10:38 AM - 06/20/13
Sportchampions on PS3 with the move was really cool in the ping pong and gladiators modes.. i sweat a few cl both slamming my friends and getting beaten the crap out of me ^^

also very nice for light mood afternoons with friends on a bad weather day. plus i could actually play with girls without feeling like a complete idiot.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 10:40 AM - 06/20/13
So...

What if I'm a person that is looking forward to the TV integration?

What if I enjoyed Kinect games and am looking forward to the new and improved Kinect?

What if I can't afford a gaming PC but still want to play Titanfall?

What if I don't want to be a part of a network that has a history of MAJOR security problems?

What if...

What if...

What if...


There are plenty of reasons to choose Xbox.  They might not apply you personally, but the reasons are there and they are valid.  Again, get over yourself.



rational thinking means to compare ALL given facts, which you surely dont
you just picked one positive point for the boner but leaving out all the other points
if your way of thinking would be right, the boner would sell like nothing else, but the reality is different
so piece by piece so you can follow...

Quote
What if I'm a person that is looking forward to the TV integration?

that only works in the NA states to start with
that means a huge amount of people, actually the bigger part of the cake, wont be able to use that

secondary a smart tv pretty much does the same stuff for you
most people already have a smart tv at home + receiver with integrated hdd for timeshift and other stuff

the real question now is do i need voice control?
am i so lazy do not use he remote?
is it worth to spend 100€ more on it?


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What if I enjoyed Kinect games and am looking forward to the new and approved Kinect?

true but a rational thinking person will also consider the spying and PRISM issue
which imo is much heavier

microsoft already has it written in their contract that they are going to analyse your habbits through pre-written software running on kinect
examples they gave where sportive people will see more sport brand advertises on dashboard whereas "bigger" people will see dorito ads or whatever

on a rational basis you now will evaluate weather the new functions are worth it to be spyed on or not
so this point is pretty much unclear and cannot be answered in general

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What if I can't afford a gaming PC but still want to play Titanfall?

titanfall is released on PC and boner on the same date
a ps4 version will come out on a later date

that is what the devs signed in their contract with microsoft
its not a full exclusive game as pretty much all other too

read cboats leaks, microsoft forces all publishers to claim its exclusive although a ps4 version is already made in the garage

Quote
What if I don't want to be a part of a network that has a history of MAJOR security problems?

man why do i even answer this, lmao...

so russian hackers as well as chinese hackers do hack into pentagon and us goverment servers on a monthly basis
with your way of thinking living in the US would be risky then right?

ANY company is hacked, they just dont reveal it
sony had the backluck that it went public

facebook got hacked multiple times and millions of adresses and habbits got stolen, yet you still are in facebook

your point is so weak i wonder why i actually take the time to answer it




now my turn

please answer me for why IN YOUR CASE a rational thinking person would NOT go for any of the tree points below

- ps4 is 100€ cheaper (that is 134$)

- ps4 has decent dev support allowing them to patch their games for no 40.000$ like on XBL

- ps4 has the much better hardware with 66% more output at least but can get up to 227% if AMD cannot solve the eSRAM issue
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 10:42 AM - 06/20/13
I'm buying both consoles but, Honestly, if the Boner offers dedicated servers for all their games and PS4 doesn't then I'll only be playing the Boner, just saying. Please note that in no way did I say this is factual, it would just appear right now that this scenario could play out.

weve already discussed that- if boner will have dedi servers, its more than likely that ps4 will have too.

example: BF3 dedi on Boner 360, BF3 dedi on PS3. COD p2p on boner, COD p2p on PS3.

@speagles- as to the tv functions- I really dont know exactly what they will do nor do i care about. All i know is when i want to watch tv, i turn it on. If I want to do something during watching TV I do it on the Ipad. But alright- I can see it beeing a valid reason for some gamers to prefer boner over ps4. But the reasons that speak for ps4 outweight imo. Looking from bang for the buck perspective ps4 has clearly more to offer. There will be exceptions however and its legit. If a guy wants to do the thing with fantasy what u wrote (which I dont have a clue what it is) its ok to look fofward to the boner.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 10:53 AM - 06/20/13
Od1n, I'm done with you...  I enjoy chess, but certainly not with a pigeon.

If you ever decide to get down off your high horse then maybe we can talk.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 11:03 AM - 06/20/13
I defer back to the second post on this thread!

This is gonna go great!

Lol...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 11:05 AM - 06/20/13
Od1n, I'm done with you...  I enjoy chess, but certainly not with a pigeon.

If you ever decide to get down off your high horse then maybe we can talk.

you are on a high horse too.. but i won't put your right to be in question.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 11:17 AM - 06/20/13
Lol guys we argue here, speaking about what console is more bang for the buck etc.

With all the discussion imagine how bad some Nintendo fans must feel.  ;D Noone really takes wii u seriously and I dont want to switch the topic but its truth :)

I guess nintendo would kill to be able to bring up stuff like "but we have cloud computing that makes your console better" ;) They dont even have that. They dont have most multiplatform titles, hardly any exclusives out yet and so on.

But tbh honest again, if we can make MS lower the price, separate the kinect- I would see no reason to not buy the boner for the sake of having the best of 2 worlds, maybe next year though. But I first wanna be absolutely sure that MS wont come up with another stupid idea so ill wait a couple of months to see what MS is cooking with their boner.

Right now for the sake of lack of all the BS that MS went through, and the sake of better hardware and lower price, and most likely earlier release date- PS4 it is Lads.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 11:26 AM - 06/20/13
Oddie he is breaking up with you, chocolate may help.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 11:27 AM - 06/20/13
you are on a high horse too..

Perhaps it may come off that way, but I at least acknowledge that there are some benefits to the PS4 and am not belittling future PS4 users by calling them irrational/unreasonable.

There's no point in trying to continue to debate with somebody (Od1n) who is completely unwilling to at least acknowledge the existence of the other side and listen to their thoughts.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 11:32 AM - 06/20/13
Girls, where is Glenn I need to hear his next prediction.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 11:36 AM - 06/20/13
well I think we all are kinda pissed about what MS was planning.

I guess all he wanted to say is that even now that they reversed the stuff, its still not quite the best bang for the buck offer. And just going by price for value MS still has to do alot to be competitive with what PS4 is offering right now.

heck many gamers will pick a ps4 or boner, just because they dont like the controller of the other console. But all that aside, you get more value for your money from sony ATM.

Have MS separate the Kinect and sell the boner for 350-370 euro and they will be right there in the same ball park with sony in terms of value for the money.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 11:40 AM - 06/20/13
you are on a high horse too..

Perhaps it may come off that way, but I at least acknowledge that there are some benefits to the PS4 and am not belittling future PS4 users by calling them irrational/unreasonable.

There's no point in trying to continue to debate with somebody (Od1n) who is completely unwilling to at least acknowledge the existence of the other side and listen to their thoughts.

i actually view the situation reversed almost.. he is not calling others that trust me.
and he does acknowledge the Xbox1 he's just dismissing it from his POV and stating it is a very clear and broad POV.. i think most would agree with that.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 11:56 AM - 06/20/13
@ak-xs - This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about:

rational thinking means to compare both consoles and pick the better one
and if you do that the ps4 is better in any aspect except for 1 or 2 exclusive games

its not arrogant but the truth
a rational thinking person will NEVER buy a 100€ more expensive console which has 40% the output
makes no sense at all

He refuses the accept the fact that the word "better" is completely subjective.  There is no such thing as truth when it comes to deciding outright which of two things is "better".  What's cool for you might suck for somebody else, and vice versa.

PS4's specs are technically better.  But it's not about who has better specs on paper, it's what the devs get out of it...  only time will tell on that issue.  The PS3 had better specs than the Xbox 360, didn't it?  Look how that turned out.

Then there's the whole group of people (which tbh is probably most of the console market) who don't know or don't care what the specs are.  They game to have fun, not so they can say they play on the machine with better hardware.  Specs are in no way the be-all and end-all of consoles, far from it.

There is absolutely no way to sit here 5 months before launch and make a definite decision about which one is "better".  An across-the-board better console has not, does not, and never will exist.  It is completely subjective.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 12:01 PM - 06/20/13
Speagles devs tend to make the games on the stronger console I would say and port it to the other console. I am not sure but this time it could be the PS4 that gets the games made for primarily.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 12:12 PM - 06/20/13
Speagles devs tend to make the games on the stronger console I would say and port it to the other console. I am not sure but this time it could be the PS4 that gets the games made for primarily.

I agree, but the keyword here is COULD.  It absolutely could end up being the better one, but it could also end up not working out how ppl hoped it would.  At this point, nobody really knows what's going to happen and to sit here and say that somebody is irrational for even considering the alternative is ignorant.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BionicTbag on 12:16 PM - 06/20/13
Speagles devs tend to make the games on the stronger console I would say and port it to the other console. I am not sure but this time it could be the PS4 that gets the games made for primarily.


I want to play devils advocate and disagree...?


I heard that Xbox is making it easy for PC devs to make games on XBl... and the port process is easier.. basically using the PC engine for XB?


PS is not that way, at least it wasn't on PS3... IF PS4 offers better porting abilities then I agree.. but I do not think that PS4 has that ability.


One thing to consider is that SONY, the maker of PS4 is also the maker of BLUE-RAY so that could throw a wrench into he mix?


Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 12:32 PM - 06/20/13
Odin and other PS4 proponents, if you spent even half the amount of time scrutinizing Sony's PS4 as you do on the Xbox One you might be more credible.

As it stands the majority of what I read from your "side" (which is dumb anyways, not sure why it's a competition) are the most minor details blown out of proportion and then harped on as if legitimate concerns.

The silence surrounding the PS4 is deafening - and that, more than silly jabs at hardware or DRM, concerns me.

Further more, the fact that A) DRM was as big an issue as it was made to be and B) now that is off the table it is being downplayed by the "PS4 fanboys" as not such a big deal, only goes to show how ridiculous your criticisms really are. You have no legs to stand on, and yet you stand so proudly atop your soap-box decrying the evils of Microsoft. It's nauseating, and it reeks of blind zealotism.



And lastly, let me pull out my own soap box while I have your attention.

DRM. Who the hell are you to @#$% and moan about rights management. How dare we deny a publisher their dues.

So you have to spend 5 or 10 or even 20 more dollars on a game. Fine! So you have to hold off on buying one or two titles. Fine! If you don't buy and others don't buy due to price, guess what? They'll drop the price! That's how a free market works! As it stands the price for a copy of Black Ops 2 (which is coming up on its one year mark) is still 60. Does this guarantee a change in the pricing model? No, of course not. But it opens up the market for price reductions, sales, etc a la Steam.

On top of that it absolutely guarantees that the developers get their profits. And if you think for even a minute that they don't deserve those profits or that they "earn to much" then I'd be happy to take your hard earned payroll as I'm sure you don't deserve it either.

It blows my mind that there are gamers out there who would rather perpetuate the leaches that are GameStop etc than encourage developers.

/endrant
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 12:34 PM - 06/20/13
One thing to consider is that SONY, the maker of PS4 is also the maker of BLUE-RAY so that could throw a wrench into he mix?

Bluray was not created nor is it owned by Sony. It belongs to the BDA which consists of a slew companies and was originally developed by almost a dozen companies.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: glenn37216 on 12:41 PM - 06/20/13
Girls, where is Glenn I need to hear his next prediction.


<Crystal ball is cloudy atm.   :o

Lot's of animosity here in the forums . I'd like to chime in but I'm having a hard time keeping up with the gossip.  ;D  There's so many unknown facts about both parties right now .. I'm just going to wait until launch to comment on either consoles. Until then I'll be watching with popcorn from the sidelines.   ;)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 12:43 PM - 06/20/13
Odin and other PS4 proponents, if you spent even half the amount of time scrutinizing Sony's PS4 as you do on the Xbox One you might be more credible.

As it stands the majority of what I read from your "side" (which is dumb anyways, not sure why it's a competition) are the most minor details blown out of proportion and then harped on as if legitimate concerns.

The silence surrounding the PS4 is deafening - and that, more than silly jabs at hardware or DRM, concerns me.

Further more, the fact that A) DRM was as big an issue as it was made to be and B) now that is off the table it is being downplayed by the "PS4 fanboys" as not such a big deal, only goes to show how ridiculous your criticisms really are. You have no legs to stand on, and yet you stand so proudly atop your soap-box decrying the evils of Microsoft. It's nauseating, and it reeks of blind zealotism.



And lastly, let me pull out my own soap box while I have your attention.

DRM. Who the hell are you to @#$% and moan about rights management. How dare we deny a publisher their dues.

So you have to spend 5 or 10 or even 20 more dollars on a game. Fine! So you have to hold off on buying one or two titles. Fine! If you don't buy and others don't buy due to price, guess what? They'll drop the price! That's how a free market works! As it stands the price for a copy of Black Ops 2 (which is coming up on its one year mark) is still 60. Does this guarantee a change in the pricing model? No, of course not. But it opens up the market for price reductions, sales, etc a la Steam.

On top of that it absolutely guarantees that the developers get their profits. And if you think for even a minute that they don't deserve those profits or that they "earn to much" then I'd be happy to take your hard earned payroll as I'm sure you don't deserve it either.

It blows my mind that there are gamers out there who would rather perpetuate the leaches that are GameStop etc than encourage developers.

/endrant

Relevant

http://www.youtube.com/v/2G_f8YBy39M&hd=1
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 12:53 PM - 06/20/13
@ak-xs - This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about:
rational thinking means to compare both consoles and pick the better one
and if you do that the ps4 is better in any aspect except for 1 or 2 exclusive games

its not arrogant but the truth
a rational thinking person will NEVER buy a 100€ more expensive console which has 40% the output
makes no sense at all


He refuses the accept the fact that the word "better" is completely subjective.  There is no such thing as truth when it comes to deciding outright which of two things is "better".  What's cool for you might suck for somebody else, and vice versa.

PS4's specs are technically better.  But it's not about who has better specs on paper, it's what the devs get out of it...  only time will tell on that issue.  The PS3 had better specs than the Xbox 360, didn't it?  Look how that turned out.

Then there's the whole group of people (which tbh is probably most of the console market) who don't know or don't care what the specs are.  They game to have fun, not so they can say they play on the machine with better hardware.  Specs are in no way the be-all and end-all of consoles, far from it.

There is absolutely no way to sit here 5 months before launch and make a definite decision about which one is "better".  An across-the-board better console has not, does not, and never will exist.  It is completely subjective.

ok granted. i'm actually proud of this post you made, almost seems like a different person altogether than some other ones..

from a hardcore gamer POV what od1n would be as simple as that and correct. but not everyone is like that.. many bought the PS3 as an entertainment center ( lets ALL remember that when thinking about what MS did this time since it could also be a reason behind it ) and didn't play a single game on it.. i even know some cases.

but don't compare the difference in power between PS3 and 360 and the next gen. the reason being that this time, both use very similar parts.. difference for devs is almost down to the memory and nothing else hardware-wise (there are others, it's not a simple matter.but this is the only console gen where we actually get this to date. so expect great things to come out of it, this is even true for the close gap between PC and next gen. porting and cross platform are on a new unprecedented level now)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:05 PM - 06/20/13
The guy is totally right Mist, the suspicion remains that M$ will control the price and NOT give the money to the studios. Right now, on Live, why is the price so high? Isnt it M$ putting 50% on top for using the Live platform? I mean there is no physical copy, no paper to print for the manual or a DVD box and no shop that has to pay its workers, storage space and so on. Already working on Steam/Origin. Well its not working its also expensive like s.hit. If you buy on steam you are stupid. Its keys from vendors that are 50% cheaper everyone buys, no idea where they come from maybe huge quantities.
So in my opinion if you give M$ the steering wheel it will squeeze us like a lemon. I see no positive move from M$ for decades but only if something works badly. Windows 8 for 50 Euro and the Boner DRM cancelled are examples for this. We know why.
Its not about the used games, it’s the retail price that is not gonna drop a cent. Games will even get more expensive, much more expensive.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 01:17 PM - 06/20/13
^ I understand your trust issues with M$ they're very warranted. But after what just happened to them do people still not see that Steam would indeed work and be BETTER then used game sales. If they don't give discounts people will not buy their games and force their hand just like the did with the One. With the internet of today it's not hard to turn the mob lose on anyone!

@mist, great find and That guy is SPOT on IMO!

Personally, I want my money to go to those that deserve it, even if I do pay more. I want better games and used game sales is slowing down progress!

Unfortunately now this F***ing cycle continues for another decade all because Sony has no freakin Balls!

I wouldn't doubt for a sec that there was a secret hand shake between M$ and Sony Exec. agreeing on DRM etc. M$ "We'll take the lead if you follow, it will be better for all in the long run", Sony "But of course we will  8)".

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_le3r2gLfEP1qfjfh5o1_500.jpg)

SUCKERS!!!

Sony ='s Buddy F***ers!!   ;)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:31 PM - 06/20/13
Girls, where is Glenn I need to hear his next prediction.


<Crystal ball is cloudy atm.   :o

Lot's of animosity here in the forums . I'd like to chime in but I'm having a hard time keeping up with the gossip.  ;D  There's so many unknown facts about both parties right now .. I'm just going to wait until launch to comment on either consoles. Until then I'll be watching with popcorn from the sidelines.   ;)

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Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 02:23 PM - 06/20/13
Odin and other PS4 proponents, if you spent even half the amount of time scrutinizing Sony's PS4 as you do on the Xbox One you might be more credible.

...

/endrant

yeah i see that and i also dont deny that

for the moment (given all the unknown facts) the ps4 looks better which is why i promote it
if microsoft comes out with some great changes next month the whole thing might change and ill be set for the boner
heck it might even be sony to reveal their real evil intentions, who knows

but yeah ill get the message, im taking out some pace :)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 02:27 PM - 06/20/13
mist, please somehow make it so that nobody can post on this forum again until they watch that video.

I love me some TB 8)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 02:53 PM - 06/20/13
That may be beneficial but I think people are a little to set in their ways. Those that want to hear why blocking used games is good for the industry watch the video above. It starts at about 1:30.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 03:00 PM - 06/20/13
It was a good vid but in the end id like to see more cooperation with entities within gaming than see all those guys lose their jobs. It sounds like the whole game markets infrastructure is totally screwed up. I think @#$% has to be revamped and i dont think the removal of the used game market is the only solution. There has to be balance.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 03:05 PM - 06/20/13
please give me a fair amount of time to write the proper response to that video and bear with the length of the wall of text, i will make sure it is suitable writing for anyone to read instead of my usual dramatic/overthetop/"biased"/offensive/not clear rants/ironies...

i promise you that i will make more holes in his view than he has on other's. and to start off i don't disagree on many points he makes but there is a flaw in the conclusion he takes out of the flawed arguments. he picked some very well picked wrong arguments indeed, not to say he his manipulating anything but rather that they are the common speech.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 03:05 PM - 06/20/13
latest news on the ps4 release

- US ps4 release 29th of october along with BF4 as a starter title
- EU west release 13th of november (eu continental)
- EU uk 21th of november (eu island)

dunno why they release 2 weeks earlier in the us
probably to get an early hold on the strong xbox market

here a picture taken in a dutch media markt
its part of the biggest electronical store chain in europe

(http://i.imgur.com/TPTs1wK.jpg)

media markt homepage

(http://abload.de/img/ps4edubv.png)

another pic from a different store

(http://abload.de/img/ps4bolbarw8.jpg)

boner to be released on 21th of november in eu
see picture below

(http://s14.postimg.org/i9wf0gjfl/xbone.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 04:08 PM - 06/20/13
@ak- yeah the video isnt wrong with all points he made, but some are just wrong.

Only because some Reseller chains like Gamestop leech off used games market, they shouldnt ban it for everyone.

Not everyone buys or sells their used games from gamestop. Why dont they force reselling fees from gamestop instead punishing every single gamer out there? Like forcing stores to pay reselling fees if they sell used games commercially and let private users sell their games without fees?

Also he makes it look like many gaming companies which went bankrupt because of the used games market- which is simply BS. If devs make great games- theres enough profit for eveyone and even bonus profit to pay for future games development.

And its not truth that a game has to be a huge blockbuster like GTA in order to make good profit. Look a t Minecraft- most simply designed game but insanely popular, what like 3-5 guys developed the first version of Minecraft? And now theyve sold millions of copies and made millions of profit.

When the games suck they shouldnt be surprised that studios get closed, best recent example is MOH. This POS got stomped into the floor not because of the pirating or used games market- its because no one was stupid enough to buy this crap in the first place.

So while he makes some valid points, its not as easy as the guy probably thinks it is. But doing away with the used games it would not be guaranteed that we will have more and better games, not at all.

I could counter all of his points by simply claiming that great games sell amazingly well despite used games market with real wordl examples like GTA, Borderlands, Skyrim, Minecraft, Metro etc.

A game that is garbage and doesnt sell many of new copies- even if you take away used game market- it will not change alot. Because where you dont have many new games spread around gamers, there wont be many of potential used games as well.

In other words simply removing used game market isnt the right approach. Heck Id even be ok with the online pass if it was around 5 dollars, which go 100% to the developer. But taking away the used games market completely isnt the right approach.

I would also counter his claims by pointing out that we allways had used games before- with SNES, PS1 just every console up until now- and gaming industry is still going strong. We have franchises that outsell the best movie blockbusters. we have way more game releases than ever before. we have gaming companies worth billions like EA, Blizzard, Ubisoft, Activision etc. So if it worked before-> theres no reason why it shouldnt work in the future.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 04:55 PM - 06/20/13
Souver the biggest flaw of all in nearly EVERYONE's talk is something even you said now:

money from games and online passes or DLC's or wtvr doesn't go to the Dev's PERIOD.
only INDIE DEVS GET THEIR PROFITS LIKE THAT (disregarding MS,Sony and Valve's cuts)

every other game will be:

consumer spends money

money goes to retail or digital store

then money goes to publisher

FROM THERE, it may or may not go to the devs AT ALL and it will surely NOT be 100%


this without speaking about studio outsourcing and the average wage of a dev.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 04:55 PM - 06/20/13
For me, the argument is not about the health of the gaming industry but rather making sure the people who deserve the money actually get it.  Maybe I'm biased b/c I'm in the software development industry, idk.  I do know, however, that if I worked for years on a single player game and 3 million people play that game I'd be a little bit upset if I only saw money from 1 million of them.  Developers deserve a cut from every sale of the game, be it new or used.  Companies that sell used games could solve all of this by simply giving the game companies their fair share.  I don't think that's too much to ask.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 05:52 PM - 06/20/13
Ak that's wrong. Each developer negotiates a deal with the publisher on a per game basis. DLC and passes are apart of that negotiation. It can be flat or they can share a percentage or both. Sometimes the deals suck, other times both parties are pleased. You didn't think they did all of that extra work for free did you?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 06:18 PM - 06/20/13
Ak that's wrong. Each developer negotiates a deal with the publisher on a per game basis. DLC and passes are apart of that negotiation. It can be flat or they can share a percentage or both. Sometimes the deals suck, other times both parties are pleased. You didn't think they did all of that extra work for free did you?

" it may or may not go to the devs AT ALL and it will surely NOT be 100%"

how is what you are saying different from the above? only the dlc and online passes. and the publisher still gets a cut out of dlc, online passes i'm just assuming..

i don't see a difference in what you say compared to what i said at all after reading it twice 0.o'
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 06:26 PM - 06/20/13
Souver the biggest flaw of all in nearly EVERYONE's talk is something even you said now:

money from games and online passes or DLC's or wtvr doesn't go to the Dev's PERIOD.
only INDIE DEVS GET THEIR PROFITS LIKE THAT (disregarding MS,Sony and Valve's cuts)

Why are you yelling this by the way?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 07:22 PM - 06/20/13
i meant that it goes to publisher who then gives their cut to the devs.

because it's a misconception that we, gamers, always talk these matters as if publishers and devs are the same organism when the ugly naked truth is not that at all. investment is obviously needed for certain games. i get that. but what publishers do is inhumane imho

the actual dev teams get a cut so low from the profits it makes me laugh, dark humor i have. as someone working in the area, or studying to it upsets me dearly..

because if you tell a gamer he is "stealing" or undermining the dev that makes the games he loves so much it will really impact most gamers. it's very upsetting. but while not a lie it's not accurate. the one you are hurting most is in fact the publisher, after that we could get into a discussion about the studios and the wages of devs but let's not for the sake of ontopic and not wall of texting..


point is, that detail makes a lot of difference in the matter of profit from games and what happens to it or how used games impact that. i could not care less if EA doesn't get a cent from used games, DICE how ever i'd like to see growing.

so by that reasoning the argument that used BF3 games end up being more direct in the giving money to devs than new copies starts to be valid. and a lot of pressure and problems in gaming is due solely to publishers...

do you see League of Legends having problems because their game is not on retail stores? it has more players active in 11 days than all global latest COD sales.. ofc we can't compared f2p to a paid game, obvious. specially since f2p pushes a more sustained business than a pay-once game but then we get into "the industry is wrong, not consumers and their used games" point.. f2p is not the only way, subscriptions are not the only way..

the way is to get publishers to know their place, and put them there. they are clearly out of control and THAT is the single problem of this whole talk about DRM and used games.. both publishers and storefront outright braindead policies... like selling a game digitally for 60€ 1 year after it came out, yeah fu*k the new copies in that situation i hope they sell zero like that..

saying that not buying it will drive the price down is really naive. what will happen is the publisher will write if as the game being garbage and blaming you know who? THE DEVS. you know.. the one's people are so keen to defend, like the guy from the youtube clip.... am i lying here? do we not see this happen? good studios get either raped or death over stuff like this..

DRM only good purpose is anti-piracy. but it doesn't matter how you punish the crime of stealing food if you starve a people. because someone will always come and do it disregarding the consequences...

OFC gaming is a luxury and not like eating, it's just a metaphor to explain why DRM is not gonna win vs piracy just like that.. give people adequate prices and honest or creative business models and they stop in the majority, as much has been proven.

another point to make is AMAZON. villainizing gamestop or whatever and talking like there is no other game store in the world that doesn't have the same kind of politics is really a twisted sight of reality...


just because in the US and in the UK (as the main examples) YOU, THE CONSUMERS, have ENDORSED and ALLOWED such idiotic greedy coorp to put the existing environment in place doesn't mean it's like that everywhere, it sure as hell isn't like that here, quite far from it as far as used games go. it isn't perfect here, but not as bad by FAR..

so #1 blame yourselves for that. "you" worked for them, "you" bought from them, you were the biggest contributor to the system that is in place..
so you wake up now and wanna change it? great, but don't confuse things around.

so back to amazon, they pretty much do what we need to be done universally. they sell day1 at the "normal" full price, and then as time passes the price comes down. PERIOD, it always comes down. depending on demand it can go as low as 10% of the original or stay at a ceiling of say (i'm just gonna throw a number in the air for continuing the text purpose) 60-80% (around it) until the game dissapears from stock.
then used games come.

but used games are sold by normal users, not for full price minus 5€. and used game stores also may have fair prices or may not, running the risk of not selling and being forced down..

perfect system? no. but amazon cuts are not 90% of price. and they are high still, don't we know that because of the XIM possibility of being there we discussed in the past?.. the other stores in that case, also make their profit. as they should.. again now the margin will vary depending on how stupid the consumers are when they sell their games to the used game store.. because if consumers refuse to accept ridiculous price for for buybacks then the used game store will go under at least in that branch of business, won't it?

so where is the problem here exactly? consumer pays less if he needs/wants. can sell and buy used games for paying less and gaining value from their original purchase. stores make their profits fair and square without abusing anything or anyone unless people want to be exploited or cave in. and DEVS make the money THEY SHOULD.




now let me get into that for a bit..
i'm not completely against the idea of devs making more money than a single purchase intake for paying servers and crap. but when they sell their games they advertise it and don't say "but you need to keep payings something or we will close down the advertised feature" do they?
much like they STATE very clearly you need Steam or internet or whatever in the prerequesites on the cover. and much like they advertise when the game requires a subscription. they should say if they NEED extra income for something. otherwise they are selling a product with a service that has no other strings attached or that would be deceiving the buyer would it not?

so they are either DUMB because they can't predict common sense things and need to be out of a job or forced to understand that. or they are really just trying to exploit us every way we will accept.. and think this former is the ONE


QUAKE INVENTED THE WHOLE ONLINE WITHOUT CHARGING US PASSES, DRM, SUBSCRIPTIONS OR WTVR didn't they? why is now any different? instead of wasting millions on useless visual crap or hollywood crap, think first about the actual core need of your project maybe or else you should bite the dust.
and AGAIN, mostly it's all the publisher fault. if it's not only their fault (ok ok granted) it is the biggest part, because they are the one's generally pushing studios to make decisions they don't want. devs getting cornered by investors and flamed is a day to day scenario in the gaming world and more often than not the publisher is the one to truly blame..






TLDR:
this is just a "mental diarrhea" about the subject. i need to listen to the clip again and rewrite to make this a suitable text worthy of a broad public to read, but as a sketch it's a start to explain some of my views on the matter that so many seem so oblivious  about.. i would love serious help in perfecting the whole point from anyone who is patient enough to read the whole thing
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 08:58 PM - 06/20/13
^ Holy Crap AK, I'll have to read that tmw. Too freakin tired tonight!  ???
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 09:00 PM - 06/20/13
Here's a list of people who currently have a problem with the inability to resell IP because of DRM on other platforms such as IOS, iTunes, Android and Steam.


















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Digital works, people enjoy low prices, content provides get paid. Embrace the future.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 09:31 PM - 06/20/13
Yeah because the people who have a problem with it get it for free
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 10:05 PM - 06/20/13
Here's a list of people who currently have a problem with the inability to resell IP because of DRM on other platforms such as IOS, iTunes, Android and Steam.

Digital works, people enjoy low prices, content provides get paid. Embrace the future.

oh mist.. you make it so easy...

so you seem to think i have a problem with the inability to resell IP because of DRM on other platforms such as IOS, iTunes, Android and Steam. and your answer is making a list of the people who currently have that problem.

aaand you don't put at least my name on it. *CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*
way to dig your own grave...


now onto the real business:

so all those people in the countries USA invades that have no problem with their current states of affairs have to be "saved" but loss of consumer freedom doesn't since gamers don't mind whoring out since they get nice sales. ok...



now in all seriousness;

digital works, would work even better with proper "used" resell policies. people would enjoy EVEN MORE low prices and having their rights by LAW restored. embrace A BETTER future. devs would make even MORE money to top it off.

i still fail to see how your comment is a response to mine since i didn't talk about digital sale but rather the used physical media.


i would "love" to see the day that for some reason steam goes to crap and you lose all your property. you and the millions that do not understand apparently the rights and freedoms they are selling for nice discounts would then maybe, just maybe kinda outrage.. ofc in a real scenario people would flash recipes if they still had them and stuff like that but it's not hard to see publishers dismissing it all somehow. it would be quite similar to the bank scandals of the recent past.. banks manage wrongly and lose all the investor's money, managers are left unpunished or at least not nearly accordingly, governments then "steal" citizen's money to inject on the banks so they don't "drag the economy down" and "crash it".. such a working system, just look at how the rich got, err, richer..


AAAND to give a final nail to your coffin, if rumors about steam prove to be true then why is Valve designing ways to lend games and sell or whatever? because of their fierce competition??? to rip consumers of their money??? LOL they must be insane to alter the "digital works".. because change is only good if it's to a digital without rights future, if it's change for a different thing where both digital and physical work BETTER than IT'S BAD! who has heard of diversity in the market being GOOD? BLAGH we should only have ONE option cut all the physical media!


" a troll, in the mist, for fun " would suffice to answer to your post. but i'm just "this" kind of guy..
how do you americans say it?.. it's like stomping people in the head after dominating them... how was it... something with a b.. burn is it? yes.. BUUUURN! xD
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 10:21 PM - 06/20/13
Yeah because the people who have a problem with it get it for free

this is proly your best remark ever.. so much win! xD
even if it was aimed against me i would still have to take my hat to you..

example:

i love gearbox's work, i swear.. borderlands was given to me by PSN+, i loved it, ended and wished i had the DLC. didn't buy any of them. then borderlands2 came out and i wasn't going to spend the money on it unless i won the loto, which i didn't mind you, so i just went jack sparrow style into it.. i wouldn't get the DLC either even if someone gifted me the game.. and the only real reason aside from moral and supporting the devs for buying borderlands2 was to play online. sadly i get to do it all the same with the jolly roger version..
BETTER YET, i can actually play with any friend who has a good enough PC since they don't need to buy the game either...

so the lesson here is:
i would not buy the game anyway, so at least i got to enjoy it to it's fullest and even beyond what normal buyers can, and i made all the publicity i could to the game. since i loved it so much.. thank you digital works, making a poor gamer student's life so much better..

oh and thank you Sony, me and my friends loved your vision of the ACTUAL future up until lvl15, then we just moved on from borderlands1 and played the other games i own which among them some you also gave me for the 4,2€ a month deal..
maybe if i was rich and live in a part of the world where my wage can buy more stuff i'd loved MS instead.. oh, nope, in that case i'd just gone with a decent PC, what i messed up world we live in.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 10:33 PM - 06/20/13
AK please compress yourself. People who read your two page post:

(http://a66c7b.medialib.glogster.com/media/95/956667033bee954193e2c23058a569f0683432e89b7f4ea90ad41ed1f9622438/30423-clipart-illustration-of-a-blank-lined-college-ruled-piece-of-paper-with-binder-ring-holes.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 11:18 PM - 06/20/13
Oh I didn't want to debate, just expressing my views.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 12:00 AM - 06/21/13
Oh I didn't want to debate, just expressing my views.

Yeah we all do :)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: McNappa on 03:42 AM - 06/21/13
Buying a game second hand is as bad as pirating the game . Neither dev nor publisher gets any money from second hand sales. Might as well go DL em off pirate bay then pay the uploader 20 quid . Same fookin thing in my opinion. Never purchased a second hand game EVER. Especially when you can normally get games half price a month or two after release brand new.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 03:50 AM - 06/21/13
I think we all agree second hand games are not good but cant a firm like M$ advertise half price games with the DRM? The shitstorm would have been a dogfart instead of a full hurricane.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 04:05 AM - 06/21/13
AK please compress yourself. People who read your two page post:
LOL! that's to be expected but it really can't be compressed a lot, the clip was a good 20 minutes or something and just 4 minutes of talk translates into a big wall of text, look at rap lyrics i know you LOVE the genre so much!

Oh I didn't want to debate, just expressing my views.

oh i'm sorry that wasn't clear at all, i thought you (a mod and all) just wanted to go open flame war  ;D
come on let me be a little childish in the least, i've been behaving well on the forum.. ^^


Buying a game second hand is as bad as pirating the game . Neither dev nor publisher gets any money from second hand sales. Might as well go DL em off pirate bay then pay the uploader 20 quid . Same fookin thing in my opinion. Never purchased a second hand game EVER. Especially when you can normally get games half price a month or two after release brand new.

all those garage sales and sites for people's used stuff to be sold should be charged with murder ! let s come at them with shovels pikes and fire ! burn everyone who sell/buys used! they are ripping off all those poor creators of stuff that don't get a cent ! LOL



will someone tell me any product where to buy used you pour money into the original creator? straw maybe? some to buy a lot of that..
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 04:12 AM - 06/21/13
Smallest violin in the world for the game devs. Lmao this has been going on in music forever... i do think used game resellers should play ball though no doubt.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 05:17 AM - 06/21/13
II wonder what would happen if you had to pay Ford a license fee for your used car and it had to be online every 24 hours or it wouldn't start

I'd also like to point out that the digital music industry exists along side an unfettered used physical media industry, and they are doing just fine. If anything they have it harder because they are selling a technically inferior product.

As does the ebook industry, even though the publishers criminally colluded with Apple to fix prices, they still compete with used physical books (which might be the cheapest used items other than toilet paper.)

In other software industries I can transfer my license to someone else through sale or gift. Photoshop for example

Quote
If you sell or give your Adobe software to an individual or business, you can transfer the license accordingly


I don't see why the game industry should get to be a special case. And why couldn't they still have cheap digital games while they compete with used discs? Because they don't want to compete, they want to fix prices. Now that they aren't getting exactly their terms they are taking their ball and going home.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 05:29 AM - 06/21/13
in the Software business (and games are basically just software) you can mostly every case sell your used product no questions asked.

pro software like the Adobe example will usually work through licensing and still let you be able to use any machine you please, even if X number only at a given time, and even if they have massive DRM to fight piracy and abuse they don't enforce policies like Steam's or itunes'..

Steam and itunes can only do what they do to us legally since you agree with the retarded TOS. because by LAW any products sold is property of the buyer period, and there are rights the owner has.. the has been so discuss in the last years.. both Film, music and game business are completely distorted from all the rest.

how much does a musician get from an album sale? 10%? how fair is that ???
film is just a retarded industry filled with legal criminals since its inception. nothing is right about how they do things..
and games are a unique case due to both the typical consumer and the typical gaming businessman behaving in ways other markets would not really see happen..
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 09:10 AM - 06/22/13
Adam Najberg - TWSJ
"The biggest lesson I hope Microsoft takes away from its most-recent joust with consumers is that you should carefully listen to them and weigh the commercial pros and cons before you forge ahead with technology that will force them to change their behavior. Revolutionary technology has to be so radically better, easier, faster, more-intuitive or jaw-droppingly convenient that the customer not only doesn’t care that you’ve changed it and their accepted ways of using it that they also appreciate it. Over time, great technology makes the consumer forget the old technology or wonder why or how they ever used the previous version".


Well Said!

Sarah Fox - Theslanted
"Just a few hours after Microsoft made the announcement to kill off the online DRM and used-game policies, the Xbox One finally was back to being the No. 1 besteller on the Amazon video game page. It took just hours, not even one-day, for fans to finally change their mind, or come off the fence, about the decision."


Interesting, public responce seems to be going better then this Forum would suggest.


Eddie Makuch - Gamespot
"Electronic Arts has confirmed that its Online Pass system will not be resurrected following news that the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 will support used games without any limitations."

"[There is] no change to our decision to discontinue Online Pass," an EA representative told Polygon. "It is dead."


Didn't matter to me but I'm sure it makes someone happy!

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 10:26 AM - 06/22/13
Is Amazon showing overall best seller for each console taking into account different packages and whatnot or is it just what is currently trending?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 10:41 AM - 06/22/13
Is Amazon showing overall best seller for each console taking into account different packages and whatnot or is it just what is currently trending?

its refreshed every hour which is all they say on the homepage
no clue what timeframe they do use

also note how ps4 has 5 different console units in the top20 but xbox only once
ps4 still should be top1 if you add all those 5 units to one

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=vg_homepage_quicklinks_bestsellers?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-leftnav&pf_rd_r=5F794CE9E592405590F7&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1567748922&pf_rd_i=468642
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 10:43 AM - 06/22/13
how many people just preordered the xbone now, with also a PS4 preorder and will wait 'til later to cancel one of the preorders?

still very different from this forum stats..

also EA doesn't need online pass now, both consoles can now DRM without onliness pass so why would they do it?
i hope they don't make PC games require always-on internet though i really do

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 11:10 AM - 06/22/13
RML...ps4 is represented over multiple sku numbers.

Don't fall prey to incompetent reporting. 
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 11:24 AM - 06/22/13
RML...ps4 is represented over multiple sku numbers.

Don't fall prey to incompetent reporting.

I'm not falling prey to anything, all I suggested was that this varied from our vote on here. Granted it's not overall sales, just sales since M$ did a 180. Also we have to take into account that a TON of PS4's have allready been preordered.

I have NO doubt in my mind that PS4 will outsell XB1 and I'm fine with that. However, I'm also glad to see that more people are now preordering XB1's, there needs to be competition for the gamers to win.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 11:55 AM - 06/22/13
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd, I'm done. 
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: toysrme on 12:27 PM - 06/22/13
a rational thinking person will NEVER buy a 100€ more expensive console which has 40% the output
makes no sense at all
yet that's pretty much what 70 million playstation 3 owners have done over the last 8 years.

ZING!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 12:42 PM - 06/22/13
a rational thinking person will NEVER buy a 100€ more expensive console which has 40% the output
makes no sense at all
yet that's pretty much what 70 million playstation 3 owners have done over the last 8 years.

ZING!

not even close sadly,but you tried bazinga.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 12:58 PM - 06/22/13
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd, I'm done.

You were pretty much done when you stuck with PS3 over Xbox 360, sry...

You must be estactic that Sony has regained the title atleast so it appears.

Why are PS folk soo @#$% uptight?

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 01:24 PM - 06/22/13
dude you should really see how uptight some xbox folk are, better than that how many were.. (they have changed xD)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 03:37 PM - 06/22/13
I mean I get it to an extent, and I won't lie I prefer Xbox but that's only because of my experience with current Gen. Live over PSN. Xbox controller > PS controller stupid little preferential things really. Things that could turn in a hurry, will they? I doubt it. But I don't really care which one comes out on top. I only care which one suits me most and lags the least.

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: DOLK on 03:42 PM - 06/22/13
i prefer live over PSN aswell, and ill be getting an xbox

i was gonna get both, but now i think ill stay away from PS4, and the only reason for that is how disgusting the SONY fanboys are.

it's like it's their personal vendetta to force their opinions about MS and their games down everyone who doesn't like sony's throat.

during these weeks, i've developed such hate for them, and their behavior i genuinly wish i could drown them in a puddle

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 05:11 PM - 06/22/13
i prefer live over PSN aswell, and ill be getting an xbox

i was gonna get both, but now i think ill stay away from PS4, and the only reason for that is how disgusting the SONY fanboys are.

it's like it's their personal vendetta to force their opinions about MS and their games down everyone who doesn't like sony's throat.

during these weeks, i've developed such hate for them, and their behavior i genuinly wish i could drown them in a puddle



And yet you fight fire with fire, lowering yourself to the same level.

GG WP

Meh, people still getting emotional about plastic objects?

Some of the comments I've read on this forum since E3 leads me to think that quiet a large proportion of members on this forum still live at homes with there parents.

Its like your hating on people for having opinions.

Of course i'm kind of doing the same thing here, but i'm just trying to point out how retarded it is hating on people just because they like a console  / object you don't.

Get a grip of your lives, its just a console.........[email protected]
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 05:22 PM - 06/22/13
@∞

how much trouble did you go to in order to get that symbol ?
go back to fb/twitter you maturity fanboi.. that brand is the worse. only really crazy people buy into that..

and ike you are any better? you still get emotional just like the people you are attacking, how much it pays you to write this stuff ?
i hate you and your kind from the bottom of my heart even when my words say otherwise.
because of you i'll never come to this forum again, hf with the report i just did gl with your ban..


my work here is done  8)
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: FirstRespond3r on 05:24 PM - 06/22/13
i prefer live over PSN aswell, and ill be getting an xbox

i was gonna get both, but now i think ill stay away from PS4, and the only reason for that is how disgusting the SONY fanboys are.

it's like it's their personal vendetta to force their opinions about MS and their games down everyone who doesn't like sony's throat.

during these weeks, i've developed such hate for them, and their behavior i genuinly wish i could drown them in a puddle

I've seen some disgusting MS fanboys on the internet too. Doesn't hurt getting both. I think in the long run PS4 is going to have more and better exclusives and new IPs. But I also pre ordered an Xbox one because I want titanfall, dead rising 3, etc.

Whenever I read fanboy comments I just laugh. I'm just like .. Lol you can only afford one
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 05:51 PM - 06/22/13
Let's stay civil please
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 05:54 PM - 06/22/13
Whenever I read fanboy comments I just laugh. I'm just like .. Lol you can only afford one

don't laugh at people's economic misery , it can be you one day or worse, your children.  :-\
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: JerginsSoft on 06:11 PM - 06/22/13
i prefer live over PSN aswell, and ill be getting an xbox

i was gonna get both, but now i think ill stay away from PS4, and the only reason for that is how disgusting the SONY fanboys are.

it's like it's their personal vendetta to force their opinions about MS and their games down everyone who doesn't like sony's throat.

during these weeks, i've developed such hate for them, and their behavior i genuinly wish i could drown them in a puddle



And yet you fight fire with fire, lowering yourself to the same level.

GG WP

Meh, people still getting emotional about plastic objects?

Some of the comments I've read on this forum since E3 leads me to think that quiet a large proportion of members on this forum still live at homes with there parents.

Its like your hating on people for having opinions.

Of course i'm kind of doing the same thing here, but i'm just trying to point out how retarded it is hating on people just because they like a console  / object you don't.

Get a grip of your lives, its just a console.........[email protected]

You're an equal opportunity hater, pub! You aren't discriminating between either set, so, at least you're fair :D

And can I call a thread, or what?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 06:37 PM - 06/22/13
Let's stay civil please

Sry guys didn't mean to turn this back into a console fanboy thread. I didn't think my comments were that biased, I guess others just ran with it!

How about something we can all agree on -

(http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4648577325859003&pid=1.7&w=300&h=188&c=7&rs=1)
(http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4788464398762605&pid=1.7&w=198&h=180&c=7&rs=1)

FOR THE WIN!!!!

YEEEEEEEEEEEAH!!!

 :D

Now stop being a bunch of BUDDY F***ers!!!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 09:26 PM - 06/22/13
As I've said in many other posts I'm probably getting both when all is said and done. 
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 05:35 AM - 06/23/13
Stand by because:

This is gonna go great!

@∞

how much trouble did you go to in order to get that symbol ?
go back to fb/twitter you maturity fanboi.. that brand is the worse. only really crazy people buy into that..

and ike you are any better? you still get emotional just like the people you are attacking, how much it pays you to write this stuff ?
i hate you and your kind from the bottom of my heart even when my words say otherwise.
because of you i'll never come to this forum again, hf with the report i just did gl with your ban..


my work here is done  8)

Yep, i'm going to get banned because i'm spouting profanities all over this forum.

My kind? look ak-xs i did say that i was just as bad for doing the same thing:

Of course i'm kind of doing the same thing here, but i'm just trying to point out how retarded it is hating on people just because they like a console  / object you don't.

Get a grip of your lives, its just a console.........[email protected]

And as i had said, i was pointing out how stupid it is to draw a line and spout hate at others over an entertainment system.

And i use the word "stupid" in every sense of the word.

If anything its your kind that lowers this forum. As i have said over the course of this whole E3 debacle!
I have been at times a bit of a troll. But to be honest i normally only do so in nonsensical threads.

When i see something that i am personally interested in "like this next up and coming generation of consoles". I will get a little more involved and come out from under the bridge to be a little more social.

But it would seem that there are far to many simple minded people clinging onto random facts and old statistics along side a good helping of mindless rage, which is only dragging this forum down into cartoon network land.

When there is a decent topic with something worth talking about i'll contribute.
But when people start talking rhubarb i'll put them straight.

Consider your self perpendicular ak-xs, good day sir*
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 05:50 AM - 06/23/13
publix someone is not getting sarcasm when they read it  :'(

wanna try it again? or do you want me to tell you outright i was just joking?! i didn't think it would be very hard to tell... if you want i'll edit or repost the real meaning behind what i said.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: McNappa on 07:22 AM - 06/23/13
Ps4 specs and xbone specs are about  even. Devs will easily be able to utilise the esram on the xbone to overcome the inherent bandwidth limit when using ddr3. If the esram is utilized then the xbone should have about 168GB bandwidth versus ps4 172GB bandwidth. If devs don't use esram then I will definitely switch to ps4
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 07:30 AM - 06/23/13
Ps4 specs and xbone specs are about  even. Devs will easily be able to utilise the esram on the xbone to overcome the inherent bandwidth limit when using ddr3. If the esram is utilized then the xbone should have about 168GB bandwidth versus ps4 172GB bandwidth. If devs don't use esram then I will definitely switch to ps4

don't forget the windows kernel will eat up valued resources too, PS4 also has some kind of OS eating up that should be of lower quality than windows but should also be more "simple" i guess... Sony has some experience with this thank God, i hope they don't ruin it..



how pissed will people be when their Xbox1 starts to BSOD? LOL i keed i keed but for real do you guys think virus will start to pop up on the Xbox1 ? will be an easier feat than on current gen..
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 09:27 AM - 06/23/13
Ps4 specs and xbone specs are about  even. Devs will easily be able to utilise the esram on the xbone to overcome the inherent bandwidth limit when using ddr3. If the esram is utilized then the xbone should have about 168GB bandwidth versus ps4 172GB bandwidth. If devs don't use esram then I will definitely switch to ps4

in that regard yes

but xbox one needs 3/8 gig for the OS and kinect permanently, so you are left with 5 gig for the game
ps4 instead, depending on the sources, has at least 7 gig for the games

in total the ps4 has 66% more raw power for the gpu, assuming theres no downclocking on the xbox gpu when it launches
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 09:29 AM - 06/23/13
Ps4 specs and xbone specs are about  even. Devs will easily be able to utilise the esram on the xbone to overcome the inherent bandwidth limit when using ddr3. If the esram is utilized then the xbone should have about 168GB bandwidth versus ps4 172GB bandwidth. If devs don't use esram then I will definitely switch to ps4

don't forget the windows kernel will eat up valued resources too, PS4 also has some kind of OS eating up that should be of lower quality than windows but should also be more "simple" i guess... Sony has some experience with this thank God, i hope they don't ruin it..



how pissed will people be when their Xbox1 starts to BSOD? LOL i keed i keed but for real do you guys think virus will start to pop up on the Xbox1 ? will be an easier feat than on current gen..

I like the part where you provided proof and source for that example. Very compelling.
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 10:20 AM - 06/23/13
I like the part where you provided proof and source for that example. Very compelling.

what example ?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 10:25 AM - 06/23/13
^ Lol....
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 10:45 AM - 06/23/13
i hate you and your kind from the bottom of my heart even when my words say otherwise.

Non of what your wrote seemed "joking" to me, especially that part.
 
If you have to drop sarcasm bombs on a forum, please try to be a little more obvious.
Since people from different cultures and backgrounds may not get another persons sarcasm at all.

I've learned that the hard way on the forum lol.
Anyway i suppose i have to apologies now don't i?

Well i'm sorry.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 11:23 AM - 06/23/13
I like the part where you provided proof and source for that example. Very compelling.

what example ?

I was using sarcasm to show a point.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 11:27 AM - 06/23/13
i hate you and your kind from the bottom of my heart even when my words say otherwise.

Non of what your wrote seemed "joking" to me, especially that part.
 
If you have to drop sarcasm bombs on a forum, please try to be a little more obvious.
Since people from different cultures and backgrounds may not get another persons sarcasm at all.

I've learned that the hard way on the forum lol.
Anyway i suppose i have to apologies now don't i?

Well i'm sorry.

politeness is always nice but you didn't really need to apologise xD
just like you didn't get what i was saying because you can't foretell my state of mind, i can't know that you weren't drunk when you read and had perfect reason to misinterpret LOL neverminding what you said that obviously on a forum things will be always more unclear than what we want them to..


that part was actually what i meant most to be the opposite. i may behave a little childish at times but i do love a guy who will chime in to do what you did while having the credibility in his previous behaviour to back it up (some people will say nice things at time but they don't behave accordingly unlike you)


i'm sorry if i wasn't clear, the joke was to "stupidly" do to you what you were asking for people to drop xP
classic troll.. not exactly the best taste or the better done joke.. i'm not so good with jokes  :-\
Title: Re: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 11:28 AM - 06/23/13
I like the part where you provided proof and source for that example. Very compelling.

what example ?

I was using sarcasm to show a point.

what point ?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 11:36 AM - 06/23/13
ROFL.... ^
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 11:36 AM - 06/23/13
If that was sarcasim Ak then you failed. It looked like a personal attack.. almost released the hounds.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 12:07 PM - 06/23/13
If that was sarcasim Ak then you failed. It looked like a personal attack.. almost released the hounds.

omG tell me you are joking and b serious, this is getting out of hand i'm beginning to doubt mist's seriousness...

but it was, no matter the reason,  for the purpose of humor, the biggest fail ever.
[sarc] i need to sleep more,3h/day seemed so plenty in the first days..[/sarcasm]
i blame Xbone, it's keeping me awake at night, the worst part is that it's because it likes to watch so much.. that is why i dissaprove Xbowners
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 12:14 PM - 06/23/13
If that was sarcasim Ak then you failed. It looked like a personal attack.. almost released the hounds.

I still think it was mist, i was being sarcastic.
I guess he never got that: haha classic troll -.-?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 12:17 PM - 06/23/13
If that was sarcasim Ak then you failed. It looked like a personal attack.. almost released the hounds.

I still think it was mist, i was being sarcastic.
I guess he never got that: haha classic troll -.-?

even if i did suspect it, i wanna set it straight because rookcheck had a good point.

i'm afraid you come kill me if i upset you pub.. no need to bother yourself with that, i can do it just fine.. i'll just take longer, but the longer it takes the more one can suffer so it's win-win ^^
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 02:07 PM - 06/23/13
I like the part where you provided proof and source for that example. Very compelling.

what example ?

I was using sarcasm to show a point.

what point ?

That making baseless claims about unknown performance on two unreleased systems is ... dumb?

It was sarcasm when I said you made a good point and provided proof for it - in reference to the Window kernel vs the Sony counterpart.

For someone touting their ability for sarcastic repartee, you seem to have missed the mark.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 02:32 PM - 06/23/13
If that was sarcasim Ak then you failed. It looked like a personal attack.. almost released the hounds.

I still think it was mist, i was being sarcastic.
I guess he never got that: haha classic troll -.-?

even if i did suspect it, i wanna set it straight because rookcheck had a good point.

i'm afraid you come kill me if i upset you pub.. no need to bother yourself with that, i can do it just fine.. i'll just take longer, but the longer it takes the more one can suffer so it's win-win ^^

Lost the plot you mate.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 07:01 PM - 06/23/13
I like the part where you provided proof and source for that example. Very compelling.

what example ?

I was using sarcasm to show a point.

what point ?

That making baseless claims about unknown performance on two unreleased systems is ... dumb?

It was sarcasm when I said you made a good point and provided proof for it - in reference to the Window kernel vs the Sony counterpart.

For someone touting their ability for sarcastic repartee, you seem to have missed the mark.

All of the performance assumptions at this point come from dev leaks and they actually have hardware on hand so............................. ............................ ............................ ............................ ............................ ............................ ............................
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: anony on 08:35 PM - 06/23/13
Lol this thread is full of children. Lets just all shut up, then reunite, and get the obviously better system for this gen:


All hail the
PLAYSTATION 4
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 08:48 PM - 06/23/13
I like the part where you provided proof and source for that example. Very compelling.

what example ?

I was using sarcasm to show a point.

what point ?

That making baseless claims about unknown performance on two unreleased systems is ... dumb?

It was sarcasm when I said you made a good point and provided proof for it - in reference to the Window kernel vs the Sony counterpart.

For someone touting their ability for sarcastic repartee, you seem to have missed the mark.

All of the performance assumptions at this point come from dev leaks and they actually have hardware on hand so............................. ............................ ............................ ............................ ............................ ............................ ............................

So nothing. Point me in the direction of comparative benchmarks and then we can talk.

Otherwise it's rumor and hearsay. Which is as valuable as exactly jack.

Besides which, my point still stands. If he is going to make these authoritative statements then let's see the source.

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: McNappa on 02:20 AM - 06/24/13
Ps4 specs and xbone specs are about  even. Devs will easily be able to utilise the esram on the xbone to overcome the inherent bandwidth limit when using ddr3. If the esram is utilized then the xbone should have about 168GB bandwidth versus ps4 172GB bandwidth. If devs don't use esram then I will definitely switch to ps4

in that regard yes

but xbox one needs 3/8 gig for the OS and kinect permanently, so you are left with 5 gig for the game
ps4 instead, depending on the sources, has at least 7 gig for the games

in total the ps4 has 66% more raw power for the gpu, assuming theres no downclocking on the xbox gpu when it launches

lol. who has told you 3 gigs are reserved for the os. thats total BS. as for any other specs all hearsay. no one has confirmed the actual cpu in the xbone.  everyone is claiming its the same jaguar 8 core cpu thats in the ps4. Microsoft have only said its a custom 8 core cpu. could be a faster chip. these consoles arent out for another 5 months and people are trying tech comparisons. lol. what we need to see is a cross-platform game running side by side on both machines.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 03:26 AM - 06/24/13
FreeBSD 9.0 on PS4 as OS Unix based wohooo I am so much sold, this will be stable as s.hit.

source http://www.vgleaks.com/some-details-about-playstation-4-os-development/
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 06:21 AM - 06/24/13
McNappa.

http://gimmegimmegames.com/2013/05/microsoft-confirms-xbox-one-os-uses-3gb-ram-5gb-ram-for-games/

And here's the interview. 

https://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2013/05/21/interview-with-xbox-ones-chief-product-officer-marc-whitten.aspx

"It has been rumored for months now that the OS for the new Xbox would use 3GB RAM and Whitten confirmed in this interview that it will require “around” 3GB. So it could be a bit more, could be a little bit less. This leaves about 5GB RAM for game developers."
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 09:00 AM - 06/24/13
3GB is a lot.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 09:23 AM - 06/24/13
Lol this thread is full of children. Lets just all shut up, then reunite, and get the obviously better system for this gen:


All hail the
PLAYSTATION 4

It seems you've made some typo's my good man. I believe it should've read something like this.

Lol... The PSN is full of children. Lets just all shut up, then reunite, and get the obviously better system for this gen:


All hail the
(http://cdn.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Microsoft-Gearbox-1.jpg)(http://cdn2.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/gtx680_XboxOne.jpg)
GeForce ONE!  ;D
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 10:16 AM - 06/24/13
LOL
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 03:06 PM - 06/24/13
Lmao
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 08:53 PM - 06/25/13
Whether or not you like the fact the Kinect is bundled with the Xbox, you can't deny that this is some pretty cool technology.

http://www.youtube.com/v/Hi5kMNfgDS4&hd=1
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 08:59 PM - 06/25/13
The lag present between movement he makes and what shows on screen is Wii-tastic.  Ugh. 

I hated the Wii.  I hated the PS Eye.  I hated Kinect.  I don't see how this is any different. 
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 10:12 PM - 06/25/13
Yes that video wants to make me preorder the Boner again. I can really use it to make my golfswing better LOL
The biometrics are really scary. NSA has suddenly millions of cameras around the globe with face recognition. Its not a joke its scrary as @#$%. This should not be in a home the last resort of privacy.
Still the kinect does have potential this time.  I think the adapted the Kinect picture to the room camera as there is no lag visible and that TV alone should give you at least a 100msec.
nice video.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 11:41 PM - 06/25/13
I cancelled my PS4 preorder after seeing that video and I will get the XBone. I have a Kid she will love the kinect as it works now.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 12:23 AM - 06/26/13
Lol...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 12:30 AM - 06/26/13
yeah may buy the PS4 later
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 12:52 AM - 06/26/13
Whether or not you like the fact the Kinect is bundled with the Xbox, you can't deny that this is some pretty cool technology

Did anyone else laugh when he pulled a hadouken!! and the presenter went silent?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: McNappa on 04:57 AM - 06/26/13
McNappa.

http://gimmegimmegames.com/2013/05/microsoft-confirms-xbox-one-os-uses-3gb-ram-5gb-ram-for-games/

And here's the interview. 

https://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2013/05/21/interview-with-xbox-ones-chief-product-officer-marc-whitten.aspx

"It has been rumored for months now that the OS for the new Xbox would use 3GB RAM and Whitten confirmed in this interview that it will require “around” 3GB. So it could be a bit more, could be a little bit less. This leaves about 5GB RAM for game developers."
Oooohhhh that's really really bad. That is absolutely rediculous. Bloatware OS. Well @#$% that @#$%.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 06:37 AM - 06/26/13
Whether or not you like the fact the Kinect is bundled with the Xbox, you can't deny that this is some pretty cool technology.

"cool" is often confused with "gimmicky". My smartphone can do 1 million things and it has an app for pretty much every possible scenario. How many times did I use certain apps? More often than not Ive used the MAJORITY of all apps for like 2-3 times and then I was like, alright meh.. been there done that. Instead there are like I dont know maybe like 5-10 apps I use on regular. Just to make a point with all the gimmicky BS.

So what- the new kinect basically acts like a mirror? So you can have you mirror image in the TV instead standing in front of an actual mirror? And it can also see ppl masturbate in the dark and measure their pulse at the same time?

Might be interesting for some doctors/scientists but I fail to see how the features introduced in the video are of any serious benefit for gamers over long time.

Sure its "interesting" to see how this works a couple of times, abut after a while noone will bother standing in front of a TV like a douche and humping around or just throw arms and legs like a tard. Same thing happened to Wii remote control games. They just collecting dust in ppls house now.

Voice control? That sh1t exists since like 10-15 years now, nothing new imo. The device might be capable of quite alot funny/gimmicky features, but the benefit of those features is highly questionable in my book. Then again- Im not 12 any more and/or no fan of dance dance revolution games, kinectimals and other BS.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Zombieguy on 06:39 AM - 06/26/13
So I found this article and it's basically saying that the Xbox Cloud Computer Data Centre is not even built yet?  If this is the case then they are 2-3 years away from up and running stable.

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/159495-xbox-ones-700m-datacenter-should-help-combat-the-ps4s-onslaught

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 06:44 AM - 06/26/13
Yeah man that cloud computing BS is the nonsense of the year, even according to dev companies which are now developing their games to support the "cloud computing". Well they dont say it this rough, but between the lines it does sound like it.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 07:06 AM - 06/26/13
That making baseless claims about unknown performance on two unreleased systems is ... dumb?

It was sarcasm when I said you made a good point and provided proof for it - in reference to the Window kernel vs the Sony counterpart.

For someone touting their ability for sarcastic repartee, you seem to have missed the mark.

it's not hearsay or claims when there is so much info online about it.. even in this forum people have spread that info around. look at the posts above. i understood your sarcasm but you didn't understand the "what xxxx" irony, i missed the mark as much as a bullet in the head...

the only part which is speculation about what i said is the one about the PS4 OS being simpler, with less "functions" let's call it. and linux > windows so as far as that goes the PS4 will be more efficient at some levels. about the Sony experience on the matter you have the obvious ps3 and what Sony has made in the Vaio PC's and Bravia TVs, which have their little OS' to enable basic media/app functionality.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 07:28 AM - 06/26/13
i look forward to the "kinect" tech and what the future of this kind of uses may hold but just not with me as either guinea pig or user. let me know when other companies other than MS make some use of the presented features, and i don't mean in hardware terms, it's just that so many tech is overlooked these days or used for gimmicks and Dance revolutions or whatnot. it's the exact opposite of the Oculus Rift the kinect as in so many Devs and consumers want in on exploring what VR can do compared to what movement recognition and process can achieve...

just look at voice control, here for so long and used so little. i said the same about the Eyetoy when it came out, as it was pointless for anyone over 5 and i flamed Sony for trying to push it to consumers instead of devs.. look how it turned out, pure useless until the Move tech came.



if MS didn't force always connected kinect it would be such a different scenario.. why is it that if the kinect is so great they must force consumers to have it "on", why just give the option through software to disable the kinect, why not let us disconnect it? oh to make sure everyone has one and rule out that complain when devs refuse to take advantage and media flames?.. good tech always starts to be used even if it takes a lot of time without you having to point a gun at people. dev studios have competition too, not just console makers, they need to distinguish themselves from other similar games and captivate the consumer. ofc that goes to crap when consumers start to swallow everything the big coorps try to push
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 08:36 AM - 06/26/13
btw, to all those who are interested in the PSN vs XBL matters and have skipped the latest news..

Xbox one will not come bundled with a headset. so prepare to face a lot of users on XBL that will only own the kinect mic, which means you'll hear a lot more background noise and "far away" voice. in contrast with Sony's "we just arrived to 2008" bundling headsets with PS4 effectively solving one of the issues of PSN.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 09:39 AM - 06/26/13
Whether or not you like the fact the Kinect is bundled with the Xbox, you can't deny that this is some pretty cool technology.

"cool" is often confused with "gimmicky". My smartphone can do 1 million things and it has an app for pretty much every possible scenario. How many times did I use certain apps? More often than not Ive used the MAJORITY of all apps for like 2-3 times and then I was like, alright meh.. been there done that. Instead there are like I dont know maybe like 5-10 apps I use on regular. Just to make a point with all the gimmicky BS.

So what- the new kinect basically acts like a mirror? So you can have you mirror image in the TV instead standing in front of an actual mirror? And it can also see ppl masturbate in the dark and measure their pulse at the same time?

Might be interesting for some doctors/scientists but I fail to see how the features introduced in the video are of any serious benefit for gamers over long time.

Sure its "interesting" to see how this works a couple of times, abut after a while noone will bother standing in front of a TV like a douche and humping around or just throw arms and legs like a tard. Same thing happened to Wii remote control games. They just collecting dust in ppls house now.

Voice control? That sh1t exists since like 10-15 years now, nothing new imo. The device might be capable of quite alot funny/gimmicky features, but the benefit of those features is highly questionable in my book. Then again- Im not 12 any more and/or no fan of dance dance revolution games, kinectimals and other BS.

Well, nowhere did I say that it was going to benefit gaming in any way.

Computer vision is a seriously cool topic, whether it's a Kinect, a camera that analyzes traffic flow, a camera that recognizes cheaters in a casino, etc.... it doesn't matter.  Sorry you can't appreciate what's really going on here from a technology standpoint w/o trying to come up with some way to put down the Xbox.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BionicTbag on 09:45 AM - 06/26/13
Whether or not you like the fact the Kinect is bundled with the Xbox, you can't deny that this is some pretty cool technology.

"cool" is often confused with "gimmicky". My smartphone can do 1 million things and it has an app for pretty much every possible scenario. How many times did I use certain apps? More often than not Ive used the MAJORITY of all apps for like 2-3 times and then I was like, alright meh.. been there done that. Instead there are like I dont know maybe like 5-10 apps I use on regular. Just to make a point with all the gimmicky BS.

So what- the new kinect basically acts like a mirror? So you can have you mirror image in the TV instead standing in front of an actual mirror? And it can also see ppl masturbate in the dark and measure their pulse at the same time?

Might be interesting for some doctors/scientists but I fail to see how the features introduced in the video are of any serious benefit for gamers over long time.

Sure its "interesting" to see how this works a couple of times, abut after a while noone will bother standing in front of a TV like a douche and humping around or just throw arms and legs like a tard. Same thing happened to Wii remote control games. They just collecting dust in ppls house now.

Voice control? That sh1t exists since like 10-15 years now, nothing new imo. The device might be capable of quite alot funny/gimmicky features, but the benefit of those features is highly questionable in my book. Then again- Im not 12 any more and/or no fan of dance dance revolution games, kinectimals and other BS.


@and measure their pulse at the same time? = this could be great, as music is a real exciter!  it can totally alter the game..and IF the see your heart rate rising.. they could amp up the music.. thus increasing your experience.
@Im not 12 any more  = probably why you feel that way... as a lot of gamers are.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 10:45 AM - 06/26/13
Honestly, the Kinect is the ONE thing that makes me NOT want an X1. But it's not really a big deal to me, it'll be facing the wall and on pause 95% of the time. Maybe I'll put some ear muffs on it too lol....
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 11:21 AM - 06/26/13
Well, nowhere did I say that it was going to benefit gaming in any way.

Computer vision is a seriously cool topic, whether it's a Kinect, a camera that analyzes traffic flow, a camera that recognizes cheaters in a casino, etc.... it doesn't matter.  Sorry you can't appreciate what's really going on here from a technology standpoint w/o trying to come up with some way to put down the Xbox.

Doesnt have anything to do with that. Its just why would someone include extra features which hardly any customer will use? Its like failing the market demands. Im not saying everyone dislikes Kinect, but simply forcing it on everyone is kinda stupid. Just as it was stupid to force Metro UI on every desktop user. What happened was ppl went ahead and installed tools like Start8 or StartIsback to get rid of the bullsh1t forced on them. Fkn Microsoft doesnt learn their lesson.

Its like if they sold a Porsche with a tow-bar only. "But you can do many great things with it like connect a caravan etc.". "I dont need your fkn tow-bar on a Porsche dude" would be my answer. And if they refused to sell the Porsche without a tow-bar, Id get an Audi R8 that doesnt force a tow-bar on u and be happy with it.
 
I am using new advanced technologic products like tablets, smartphones, bicycle-computers, navigation systems and whatnot. But what Im not using are worthless gimmicks, which Kinect seems to be more that it isnt. Honestly its not that new of a concept, when you take a look at how they use motion sensors, motion cameras etc. in film and gaming industries. Its just a new gimmick in consumer market, benefit of which is highly questionable.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 02:33 PM - 06/26/13
Interesante:  http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/26/sony-sacrificed-the-playstation-4-camera-to-beat-microsoft-on-price?utm_campaign=fbposts

It seems like MS and Sony shared the same vision when it comes to a lot of different things for the next gen.  It's definitely smart business to do what Sony's done by allegedly scrapping a number of their initial plans, but aren't any PS4 supporters at least a little bit worried that the majority of Sony's marketing scheme is comprised of jabs at MS rather than pushing PS4's own unique features?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 04:10 PM - 06/26/13
I for one welcome the decision to separate the camera. Those who are interested can still buy it and probably use it in some games and whatnot. Having the freedom of decision is more important than having some extra gimmicky special features.

I mean I dont rule out that I could buy the  camera later, but it has to convince me first that its actually useful. Im not buying a product in hope that it could turn out great.

See thats the thing with xbox new IPs. You dont know whether or not the games will turn out as blockbuster titles. Whereas Sony can come up with some established amazing IPs, which Im not start naming because most of you know them already. LEt alone Naughty Dog studio titles are nothing short of amazing.

While xbone new IPs are speculation at best. (Ryse, that Halo meets Borderlands game and whatnot)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 04:30 PM - 06/26/13
The strengths are better hardware, no @#$%.

They are building on the strengths of current gen without getting too far away from their core focus and only adding minimal crap (touch pad on controller is stupid) 
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 07:23 PM - 06/26/13
Don't care about marketing.  Don't care about PSeye or Kinect.  Don't care about interactive TV. 

Do care about 1 gig OS with 7 gigs DDR5 to work with -vs- 3 gig OS with only 5 gigs ddr3 to work with.
Do care about $100 cost difference.
Do care about indie games that I play (flower, journey, etc...)
Do care about no paywall to access services I already pay for like Netflix. 
Do care about dedicated servers for online gaming.


Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: anony on 09:44 PM - 06/26/13
http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1h2qxn/xbox_one_vs_ps4_memory_subsystems_compared/caqdheg

PS4 is better built for gaming. Xbone is better built for multi-tasking. There you go

Oh and the cloud marketing stunt by M$ is not going to make a huge difference. Its all clever marketing twisted

http://www.shacknews.com/article/79390/xbox-one-specs-supposedly-boosted-by-the-cloud
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: glenn37216 on 07:51 AM - 06/27/13
Your post is m00t. ^   ::)
Who really cares about what the ps4 or xbox one holds if the game dev's can't code a GAME WORTH A CRAP ON IT ?

 Ps3 had better specs and came out a year later than the 360..... and @#$% did it have TONS MORE lower res and shoddy looking multiplatform games . There's not much to look forward to if your going by the rep of the ps3.

-Wouldn't it be a let down if this generation was the same ?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 08:42 AM - 06/27/13
There are zero indications that this generation will be the same, and many to the contrary.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/191007/inside_the_playstation_4_with_mark_.php?print=1 for example
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 09:31 AM - 06/27/13
Difficulty of developing is an issue not even worth mentioning. We're not talking iphone/android apps made from joe-pizza in his basement. If there's money to be had for releasing a game multi-platform than they will do it.

The only games that wont be multi-platform will be due to "exclusive" contracts... Microsoft/Sony makes it worthwhile for developers to keep game on one system...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 09:47 AM - 06/27/13
Your post is m00t. ^   ::)
Who really cares about what the ps4 or xbox one holds if the game dev's can't code a GAME WORTH A CRAP ON IT ?

 Ps3 had better specs and came out a year later than the 360..... and @#$% did it have TONS MORE lower res and shoddy looking multiplatform games . There's not much to look forward to if your going by the rep of the ps3.

-Wouldn't it be a let down if this generation was the same ?

see the problem with your thinking is that you talk about consequence without even knowing/considering what caused it. that is such a bad way to analyze something, it never leads to a correct answer.

now last gen ps3 > 360 spec wise and 360 > ps3 ease for dev's wise
but that was due to both the very different hardware and software platforms. MS gave devs a cake while Sony made them swallow horse piss to make a game..


now this gen BOTH systems are leagues easier than before due to x86 build and Sony has an even easier platform to work on since hardware works like a normal PC where the Xbox One makes you have to use 2 types of memory instead of the single GDDR5, plus optimise for that hoop. the difference in resources last gen was quite moot while now we have the Xbone using quite the bit of resources just to be on.

Sony has been said (rumor it is until more is known or able to be disclosed) to have improved their crappy hoops for devs to jump enabling a much easier job for devs.


if you go by rep MS should never make OS' again after their tick-tick-tock failures like Vista. nevermind that the original Xbox was crap when facing the rest of the market yet the 360 was very good wasn't it?
bottom line, don't go by rep without knowing what caused it and if it will happen again indeed.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 11:13 AM - 06/27/13
Strengths

XB1 - Xbox Live

PS4 - Hardware


Solution

Buy both (eventually)


Question? I remember someone posted somewhere about 1/2 or more of the PSN audience doesn't have a mic. Whom do you think the majority of those individauls are? My guess would be the Majority are little kids. Well guess what, they're all going to have mics now next Gen. You should consider yourself lucky till then.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 12:20 PM - 06/27/13
Strengths

XB1 - Xbox Live

PS4 - Hardware


Solution

Buy both (eventually)


Question? I remember someone posted somewhere about 1/2 or more of the PSN audience doesn't have a mic. Whom do you think the majority of those individauls are? My guess would be the Majority are little kids. Well guess what, they're all going to have mics now next Gen. You should consider yourself lucky till then.

1st do not compare the "great" US of A with EU, and specifically PT. here people don't have mics because they either don't bother with it (casual gaming on console and hardcore gaming on PC, hardcore FPS on console makes no sense, fighter games need no mics and the same for racing. i don't really play RPGs but that lot seems to like mics a lot) or have no cash. the one's who use mics on PS3 are so many times using bluetooth sets they have for their phones or buy for cheap change..

ofc there is also a crowd of people who have mics and don't use it all the time, mostly never when playing without a clan as it's pointless many times. i also game a lot at night and i can't make too much noise like that, there are plenty like myself.

little kids playing games and ruining other's games are a problem most prominent in the US. take responsibility for your doings... here depending on the game community we can make those kids lose the will to annoy all the time.



oh and btw, since no one has ever used the XB1 XBL how can you say it's a strength ? LOL i can prove you that PS4 PSN will > X1 XBL just as much as you can prove otherwise. actually, let me break it down to you:

PSN > free XBL, and to get technical in fact FREE PSN IS ALMOST THE SAME AS XBL LOL, such a good service XBL that you can get so close to it for 50-70$ (i don't know the price anymore) less
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 01:01 PM - 06/27/13
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-06-27-microsoft-removes-developers-charges-for-360-patching

It would be nice to see this carry over to x1, this was always a problem for indies.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:10 PM - 06/27/13
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-26-microsoft-no-longer-charges-developers-to-patch-their-xbox-360-games

Yeah just found this
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 01:14 PM - 06/27/13
can't we expect it to be the same for the Xbox1? would make sense..
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 01:19 PM - 06/27/13
Strengths

XB1 - Xbox Live

PS4 - Hardware


Solution

Buy both (eventually)


Question? I remember someone posted somewhere about 1/2 or more of the PSN audience doesn't have a mic. Whom do you think the majority of those individauls are? My guess would be the Majority are little kids. Well guess what, they're all going to have mics now next Gen. You should consider yourself lucky till then.

1st do not compare the "great" US of A with EU, and specifically PT. here people don't have mics because they either don't bother with it (casual gaming on console and hardcore gaming on PC, hardcore FPS on console makes no sense, fighter games need no mics and the same for racing. i don't really play RPGs but that lot seems to like mics a lot) or have no cash. the one's who use mics on PS3 are so many times using bluetooth sets they have for their phones or buy for cheap change..

ofc there is also a crowd of people who have mics and don't use it all the time, mostly never when playing without a clan as it's pointless many times. i also game a lot at night and i can't make too much noise like that, there are plenty like myself.

little kids playing games and ruining other's games are a problem most prominent in the US. take responsibility for your doings... here depending on the game community we can make those kids lose the will to annoy all the time.



oh and btw, since no one has ever used the XB1 XBL how can you say it's a strength ? LOL i can prove you that PS4 PSN will > X1 XBL just as much as you can prove otherwise. actually, let me break it down to you:

PSN > free XBL, and to get technical in fact FREE PSN IS ALMOST THE SAME AS XBL LOL, such a good service XBL that you can get so close to it for 50-70$ (i don't know the price anymore) less

Have you been drinking again AK?

Or in this case maybe smoking something?

Ok, take money out of the equation then maybe you'll understand my point of view. I'm not here to make anyone feel repressed or brag about money. I was poor once too, spent 6yrs. in the military risking my life for this Country and for some of your Countries as well making $14,000.00 a yr. Hell the only time a soldier can make decent money is when he or she is directly in the line of fire.

My point of view is this when it comes to PSN and Xbox Live "Connection,connection,connection" I don't care about free games or skype or kinect or DRM or $100.00 or,or,or, I care about which console has the purest online experience and that's about it. Now, speaking purely from my own experience with multiplayer on Live and the same game on PSN is that PSN was a good experience considering it WAS free. That being said I spent all my time on Live because I had a better connection to the world. I have a strong suspicion Sony will not offer a better experience in the near future. But, if they do, I will be glad to jump onboard the PSN love boat.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: tuffrabit on 01:21 PM - 06/27/13
free xbox live updates for dev companies... RAGE!!!!!!!!

wut is Valve doing then?  just fix CS:GO please
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 01:22 PM - 06/27/13
I would hope so but the difference is the 360 is at the end of it's cycle. This would be a smart move to carry the no charge policy over to x1 though to compete with ps4, as the ps4 doesn't charge devs for patches.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 01:28 PM - 06/27/13
Basically if you read the article carefully its not even confirmed and if some companies are allowed to patch their games free the article says its uncertain wheter small indie devs get the same benefits.

Basically nothing is certain.

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:35 PM - 06/27/13
There is more to come from M$ I am sure the war ends at release not a second before.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 02:13 PM - 06/27/13

Have you been drinking again AK?

Or in this case maybe smoking something?

Ok, take money out of the equation then maybe you'll understand my point of view. I'm not here to make anyone feel repressed or brag about money. I was poor once too, spent 6yrs. in the military risking my life for this Country and for some of your Countries as well making $14,000.00 a yr. Hell the only time a soldier can make decent money is when he or she is directly in the line of fire.

My point of view is this when it comes to PSN and Xbox Live "Connection,connection,connection" I don't care about free games or skype or kinect or DRM or $100.00 or,or,or, I care about which console has the purest online experience and that's about it. Now, speaking purely from my own experience with multiplayer on Live and the same game on PSN is that PSN was a good experience considering it WAS free. That being said I spent all my time on Live because I had a better connection to the world. I have a strong suspicion Sony will not offer a better experience in the near future. But, if they do, I will be glad to jump onboard the PSN love boat.

i know what you meant, my point is just that suspicions are just that. we can't compare apples and oranges but every console online gamer out there does it these days since Sony was too stupid to make a paid service along side the free psn. if they drop the ball again even with the paid demand then i sure hope they go bankrupt since they'll deserve it

but from an objective POV odds are the service gets better because it is paid.

There is more to come from M$ I am sure the war ends at release not a second before.

i'd say not even then.. after the release sales we should get numbers to speak, if one console or the other outsells too much i expect measures from the losing side.

as we have seen both companies still have a lot of room to change stuff and are both willing to do it if and when pressure rises too much

Basically nothing is certain.

news these days suck. i remember when news were really specific and companies release info properly or not at all
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 04:09 PM - 06/27/13
go valve and patch csgo!
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 04:12 PM - 06/27/13
go valve and patch csgo!

They won't they hate Xbox
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 04:17 PM - 06/27/13
go valve and patch csgo!

They won't they hate Xbox

they need to take out their tin foil hats.. those valve nuts, they must really love anime and manga.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 04:34 PM - 06/27/13
go valve and patch csgo!

They won't they hate Xbox

then go valve and make a hl3 & cs3 appearance on ps4
even better! :)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: flst81 on 04:55 PM - 06/27/13
There is more to come from M$ I am sure the war ends at release not a second before.

I think you're absolutely correct. I've said it before, promises will be made, broken, and hopefully some fulfilled from both camps. Until these consoles come out we will not know for sure where each stands. There is still a lot of time for policies to change for better or worse before release. I guess you can call me a "Doubting Thomas", I'll believe it when I see it. I refuse to fall prey to all the rhetoric.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: anony on 07:02 PM - 06/27/13
Your post is m00t. ^   ::)
Who really cares about what the ps4 or xbox one holds if the game dev's can't code a GAME WORTH A CRAP ON IT ?

 Ps3 had better specs and came out a year later than the 360..... and @#$% did it have TONS MORE lower res and shoddy looking multiplatform games . There's not much to look forward to if your going by the rep of the ps3.

-Wouldn't it be a let down if this generation was the same ?

Did you not read that link? PS4 architecture is actually simpler than xbone (because xbone has e-ram). Its closer to a PC than ever. They state the example of Warframe - a PC based game. Sony told them they were interested in Warframe so the company started developing it for PS4. 3 months later they are showing gameplay footage. That is how easy it is to port games to PS4 from PC.

Stop bringing old arguments to the table. PS3 vs Xbox 360 is now MOOT not my post.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BionicTbag on 07:06 PM - 06/27/13
M$ said they were taking the 3-6 moth port process down to ~4 weeks on XBONE @ E3 launch...i believe
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 07:21 PM - 06/27/13
M$ said they were taking the 3-6 moth port process down to ~4 weeks on XBONE @ E3 launch...i believe

that is very nice!
 but i'll believe it when i see it ^^
especially while people are not accustomed to the systems (both next gen consoles)

and as many studios have proven, like From Software, porting varies from studio to studio as far as efficiency goes, so pulling a universal number out of the hat is just an illusion for the audience to see.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: anony on 07:53 PM - 06/27/13
M$ said they were taking the 3-6 moth port process down to ~4 weeks on XBONE @ E3 launch...i believe

It all depends on the developers and amount of resources and coders they have. So this sounds like a stretch of the truth.  Warframe could have been done faster than 3 months but because they are only an indie company they don't have the resources and money to do so.

Heres a link to the interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=C_OBb5J_lUg#t=354s

4 weeks might work for simpler games or developers that have a huge amount of coders. Any AAA title will probably be longer than 4 weeks I would say, at least for final build.
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 08:49 PM - 06/27/13
M$ said they were taking the 3-6 moth port process down to ~4 weeks on XBONE @ E3 launch...i believe

that is very nice!
 but i'll believe it when i see it ^^

If only you adopted that philosophy regarding the other Microsoft rumors.

But I guess that makes it harder to hate them.
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 09:56 PM - 06/27/13
M$ said they were taking the 3-6 moth port process down to ~4 weeks on XBONE @ E3 launch...i believe

that is very nice!
 but i'll believe it when i see it ^^

If only you adopted that philosophy regarding the other Microsoft rumors.

But I guess that makes it harder to hate them.

if only you listened to what people say when they release NSA documents and similar situations. but i guess that would make it difficult for you to hate your ruling pig masters.

and what rumors are you talking about? all my comments are either based on fact, it's me deducing/inferring from fact or speculating and sharing my opinion. it's not my fault you don't read the news and don't belive what i write.. i don't have to prove everything i say on every comment, especially when most of the people talking on the forum also know the same info.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 12:37 PM - 06/28/13
Here you go PoopCheck, why I am buying the PS4 over the Xbox One. This is after owning an Xbox and 360 over PlayStation, and careful consideration about all we know so far. If anything, I was an Xbox fanboy up til now. 


Kinect is a piece of @#$%. It was a piece of @#$% since it's conception, and it failed in my view during this current generation. There's a reason that nobody I know has one and that no major games I know of have any type of support for it that would make me want one. That reason is shittiness. Oh it's better this gen? Thanks for sprinkling glitter on a piece of @#$% Microsoft.

XB1 costs more money, for less performance, all because they want to bundle the piece of @#$% Kinect. The worst case scenario is that it is always on, listening to me, watching me, learning about me, in order to target ads at me and add to my profile on NSA servers. The best case scenario is that I can paste some giant googly eyes over the cameras on it and never have to use it. Either way I would be paying 25% more than PS4 for something I have no desire to use.

Microsoft is actively misleading people about their @#$% cloud. No, it won't make your console faster or more powerful than the PS4, sorry. I believe it's primary functions were always going to be DRM enforcement and gathering data from its always on kinect and skype to target ads.

Microsoft are trying to screw consumers and profit off of us more than ever. Just look at DRM, headsets incompatibility, rumors that Gold subscriptions were going to cost more.

Current mics/headsets wont work on XB1. They are ditching established standards so you are forced to buy licensed marked up junk. They don't even bundle a headset now, which means I can't harvest parts from it to make my current setup work, and that hundreds of thousands of idiots are going to be online every minute of every day yelling through their kinect mics. It currently looks as if current gen headsets will work on PS4.

Xbox is losing its gaming focus, going casual. As a pure gaming machine the PS4 looks to be better. I have a Wii U to fulfill my casual desires.

The only reason I ever owned an xbox in the first place, Halo, has been getting shittier with each iteration.
I don't have cable TV service. I watch TV solely through Netflix/Hulu/etc

Multiplatform games will no longer be bad ports on PlayStation. Similarities in architecture and better development tools from Sony have basically ensured this. Multiplatform games will probably look slightly better on PS4. I expect PS4 exclusive games to look and perform noticeably better.

Once again it seems Microsoft is out of touch with the consumer. Just look at windows 8 metro on desktop computers, and then extend that dumbfuckery to Xbox. Sometimes I just wonder what the @#$% can be going through their heads. Who approves this @#$%?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Dale on 12:57 PM - 06/28/13
If all that is true, I'm gone too. Especially the part about the headsets. That's absurd. I spent over 400$ on my current setup.
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 01:10 PM - 06/28/13
If all that is true, I'm gone too. Especially the part about the headsets. That's absurd. I spent over 400$ on my current setup.

They are currently "working on" an adapter. Until then you'll be able to get game audio from optical into your mixamp as you do now, yell through your Kinect microphone, and route incoming chat through speakers.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:24 PM - 06/28/13
German source Golem.de tried PS4 and says camera sucks big time. Same as PS3.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 01:37 PM - 06/28/13
Great. I'm never getting one for PS4 and can't -- for the life of me -- figure out why MS has it in as an "integral part of the system". 

Casual gaming and camera games all blow chunks....
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 02:40 PM - 06/28/13
Not sure this time.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 02:57 PM - 06/28/13
M$ said they were taking the 3-6 moth port process down to ~4 weeks on XBONE @ E3 launch...i believe

that is very nice!
 but i'll believe it when i see it ^^

If only you adopted that philosophy regarding the other Microsoft rumors.

But I guess that makes it harder to hate them.

if only you listened to what people say when they release NSA documents and similar situations. but i guess that would make it difficult for you to hate your ruling pig masters.

and what rumors are you talking about? all my comments are either based on fact, it's me deducing/inferring from fact or speculating and sharing my opinion. it's not my fault you don't read the news and don't belive what i write.. i don't have to prove everything i say on every comment, especially when most of the people talking on the forum also know the same info.

What the hell does an anti-US statement have to do with you behaving like a moron?

I'm making the point that you readily and easily believe any rumor, story, report, etc that casts Microsoft in a bad light. You formulate opinion on said sources and espouse them as fact, perpetuating an already noisy echo chamber. There is nothing mature, articulate, level-headed or "discussion-like" about your posts. If there were, you would seek out and discuss all aspects concerning the as-of-yet unreleased console.

But you haven't.

And I'm calling you out (much like I did Odin).

Opinions are all well and good - I'm encouraging an informed opinion, as apposed to rhetoric. If you want to buy an Xbox, fine. If you want to buy a PS4, that's also fine. It makes no difference to me how anyone else on these forums spends their money.


@Boats

A) stop being a b!tch.

B) I completely understand your reasons for not wanting to buy an Xbox. I, personally, haven't made up my mind, and likely won't until both have been out for a few months. I approach the choice from a utilitarian viewpoint; I play games online as a form of entertainment and limited socialization. Hardware specs aside, my choice will be swayed the most by where the majority of the gaming community goes - both the XIMers and gamers in general. Now, I must say that I am mildly excited about Respawn's Titanfall. I can, of course, get it for 360 or PC as apposed to the XB1; whatever the choice I'd hope that I can play it with many of those I currently play BO2.

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 04:01 PM - 06/28/13
and what rumors are you talking about?

What the hell does an anti-US statement have to do with you behaving like a moron?

I'm make the point that you readily and easily believe any rumor, story, report, etc that casts Microsoft in a bad light. You formulate opinion on said sources and espouse them as fact, perpetuating an already noisy echo chamber. There is nothing mature, articulate, level-headed or "discussion-like" about your posts. If there were, you would seek out and discuss all aspects concerning the as-of-yet unreleased console.

But you haven't.

And I'm calling you out (much like I did Odin).

Opinions are all well and good - I'm encouraging an informed opinion, as apposed to rhetoric. If you want to buy an Xbox, fine. If you want to buy a PS4, that's also fine. It makes no difference to me how anyone else on these forums spends their money.

was just imitating you, it seems you didn't get the point.

and you are trying to make that point without providing any fact to support it despite me asking specifically for it. so in the least you are doing worse than what you are trying to criticize.

and again i didn't talk about any MS rumor. unproven facts? yes. speculation based on proven facts? yes. and you seem to be under the impression i'm obligated by law to discuss everything about next gen. let me break it down to you: i'm not.

 i talk about what i want, when i want, how i want as long as that does not interfere with anyone else's freedoms. if i want to only talk about kinect i have every right to do so. if i chose to only talk about PS4, i am entitled to it. if you are not informed i have every right to discuss matters without informing you. i don't even get my info from the dark corners of the web as far as gaming goes and just limit myself to the more known sites to (the) gaming man. but the fact that you don't know something and i don't tell you the links for it doesn't make it a rumor. if you don't like me pointing out every bit of dirt on MS that is not my problem. i won't add any dirt that is not there, and i feel the need to point MS' dirt out to others because that is what they deserve. i also gladly flame Sony when they deserve it and or it's pertinent. not my fault MS are a bigger bad boy than Sony.

you clearly like MS and even if i think less of you for it that is only up to you and none of my concern just like it's none of your concern that i can't stand ludicrous coorp like that. you can think what you want of me and i just don't care, but you should stop saying i talk about rumors as fact when i don't. lot's of people here to prove it too, it's not like my posts are hidden around. and until you prove otherwise, you are just talking fudd.

stahp da fudd plx brah
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 04:39 PM - 06/28/13
No, I understood that you were attempting to mimic me. You failed. I had a valid criticism. You quoted the price of beans in China. They were completely unrelated.

Additionally, my point about informed opinions and mature discussion is a thought unto itself. I'm not referencing a blog post about the PS4 or XB1. I'm referencing current discussions in this thread and their myopic nature - and those most guilty of perpetuating them.

My criticism of Odin pertains very much to you - if you spent even half the amount of time digging up dirt on the PS4 and Sony as you do on the XB1 and Microsoft, then you might sound credible. As it is, you rant and rave about how horrible they are and as soon as someone attempts intelligent discourse, you revert to a neolithic variant on name calling and personal attacks. This is commonly known as "ad hominum", for those who practice actual discussion. Try it out and I might take you more seriously.

As it stands, you completely missed the part in my prior post where I stated I hadn't made up my mind. Don't confuse my desire for balanced and informed decision making for "being on the MS team".
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Rambos_BFF on 04:50 PM - 06/28/13
These have got to be some of the most friendly forums out there. Thankfully for OBsiv, his product's quality is amazing enough to overshadow this community.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 04:57 PM - 06/28/13
in most cases this is, but there are always 1-2 topics that makes the users show their passion ;)
no problem with that actually, its not like they re swearing around or so
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 05:06 PM - 06/28/13
These have got to be some of the most friendly forums out there. Thankfully for OBsiv, his product's quality is amazing enough to overshadow this community.

Go to Reddit if you want to red a bunch of people agreeing with each other
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 05:07 PM - 06/28/13
No, I understood that you were attempting to mimic me. You failed. I had a valid criticism. You quoted the price of beans in China. They were completely unrelated.

Additionally, my point about informed opinions and mature discussion is a thought unto itself. I'm not referencing a blog post about the PS4 or XB1. I'm referencing current discussions in this thread and their myopic nature - and those most guilty of perpetuating them.

My criticism of Odin pertains very much to you - if you spent even half the amount of time digging up dirt on the PS4 and Sony as you do on the XB1 and Microsoft, then you might sound credible. As it is, you rant and rave about how horrible they are and as soon as someone attempts intelligent discourse, you revert to a neolithic variant on name calling and personal attacks. This is commonly known as "ad hominum", for those who practice actual discussion. Try it out and I might take you more seriously.

As it stands, you completely missed the part in my prior post where I stated I hadn't made up my mind. Don't confuse my desire for balanced and informed decision making for "being on the MS team".

the problem is your point was not valid as i don't talk about rumors as you keep trying to claim. no matter how many times you accuse me of that lie it won't become truth. that is the relation, you talk fudd.

i'm effectively overlooking anything you say further down, as you keep on with false accusations without any concrete actual facts. and basically just demonise me any way you can without anything to back it up, much like what you accuse me of doing. which i find quite humorous. it's pointless to talk to someone like that it's what you may refer to as "good sense" or compare to playing chess with a pigeon.


i don't need to sound credible, you are free to believe what you want. you are doing a fine job of sounding poised and articulate but you must realise it's not the package that matters it's the content, your previous 2 post have none, only claims and insults. i've seen lower level trolls doing a better job than you and i still fail to understand if you want to be so civil why we are discussing this in such a public and pointless manner. this is the definition of off-topic junk. i could be ashamed of endorsing you.


you want to decide and inform yourself but you add zero to the discussion, if anything, your contributions are negative. you want to be informed but you don't know basic stuff that is repeated several times along the thread, forum, news, game sites and even hardware sites. that's a bit paradoxical. yet you accused me of spreading rumors instead of fact checking info for yourself. you accuse me of not digging dirt on Sony, when the simple fact is 1- you have no idea what i've researched about PS4 and what it's the proportion of it compared to X1, 2- you seem to think there is a pile of dirt there to find when we have no facts to point it out.
3- it's quite funny that i've also done plenty speculation about Sony/PS4 based on the little dirt there is and concerns i have.


mate. you sir have lost this game, have fun playing with someone else.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 05:08 PM - 06/28/13
These have got to be some of the most friendly forums out there. Thankfully for OBsiv, his product's quality is amazing enough to overshadow this community.


People in this forum just have a lot of passion about gaming + a lot of competitive spirit around here ='s an occasional banter! I blame M$ and Sony for all this chaos lol... not anyone in this forum. Still, don't take anything personal, people are people.  ;)

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 05:09 PM - 06/28/13
These have got to be some of the most friendly forums out there. Thankfully for OBsiv, his product's quality is amazing enough to overshadow this community.

i'm sorry if i have contributed to that opinion. you should roam other threads as you'll easilly find it to be very different from this one.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 05:16 PM - 06/28/13
These have got to be some of the most friendly forums out there. Thankfully for OBsiv, his product's quality is amazing enough to overshadow this community.


People in this forum just have a lot of passion about gaming + a lot of competitive spirit around here ='s an occasional banter! I blame M$ and Sony for all this chaos lol... not anyone in this forum. Still, don't take anything personal, people are people.  ;)

it's important to point out that said passion is at stake as what MS and Sony do can effectively ruin gaming one day. this is but a hobby, but one of the most meaningful at that if we don't compare to things like saving animals or people and whatnot. as far as entertainment goes, imo, gaming is the epitome of what humans have achieved. very interesting subject from an anthropological POV and very relevant for today's world culture.
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 06:56 PM - 06/28/13
No, I understood that you were attempting to mimic me. You failed. I had a valid criticism. You quoted the price of beans in China. They were completely unrelated.

Additionally, my point about informed opinions and mature discussion is a thought unto itself. I'm not referencing a blog post about the PS4 or XB1. I'm referencing current discussions in this thread and their myopic nature - and those most guilty of perpetuating them.

My criticism of Odin pertains very much to you - if you spent even half the amount of time digging up dirt on the PS4 and Sony as you do on the XB1 and Microsoft, then you might sound credible. As it is, you rant and rave about how horrible they are and as soon as someone attempts intelligent discourse, you revert to a neolithic variant on name calling and personal attacks. This is commonly known as "ad hominum", for those who practice actual discussion. Try it out and I might take you more seriously.

As it stands, you completely missed the part in my prior post where I stated I hadn't made up my mind. Don't confuse my desire for balanced and informed decision making for "being on the MS team".

the problem is your point was not valid as i don't talk about rumors as you keep trying to claim. no matter how many times you accuse me of that lie it won't become truth. that is the relation, you talk fudd.

i'm effectively overlooking anything you say further down, as you keep on with false accusations without any concrete actual facts. and basically just demonise me any way you can without anything to back it up, much like what you accuse me of doing. which i find quite humorous. it's pointless to talk to someone like that it's what you may refer to as "good sense" or compare to playing chess with a pigeon.


i don't need to sound credible, you are free to believe what you want. you are doing a fine job of sounding poised and articulate but you must realise it's not the package that matters it's the content, your previous 2 post have none, only claims and insults. i've seen lower level trolls doing a better job than you and i still fail to understand if you want to be so civil why we are discussing this in such a public and pointless manner. this is the definition of off-topic junk. i could be ashamed of endorsing you.


you want to decide and inform yourself but you add zero to the discussion, if anything, your contributions are negative. you want to be informed but you don't know basic stuff that is repeated several times along the thread, forum, news, game sites and even hardware sites. that's a bit paradoxical. yet you accused me of spreading rumors instead of fact checking info for yourself. you accuse me of not digging dirt on Sony, when the simple fact is 1- you have no idea what i've researched about PS4 and what it's the proportion of it compared to X1, 2- you seem to think there is a pile of dirt there to find when we have no facts to point it out.
3- it's quite funny that i've also done plenty speculation about Sony/PS4 based on the little dirt there is and concerns i have.


mate. you sir have lost this game, have fun playing with someone else.

So you demand that I provide examples to support my statements, and then excuse your own posts by pointing to the rest of the internet and expect me to dig up whatever information you may or may not be referencing?

OK.

I'm done.

You're obviously not hearing what I'm trying to say.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: anony on 09:29 PM - 06/29/13
STOP with the wall of texts.

PS4 wins. The end.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 10:15 PM - 06/29/13
Yes it does hardware spec wise, I am not yet sure about the games. If Kinect is used well, that this time doesn’t seem to suck bad, the PS4 will lack a lot of features with its bad Eyetoy thing that will have you the room lit at all time, which sucks. Do not underestimate the effect of a device that is good and attached to the Box at all time. My imagination is not good enough to think of its potential. It wont replace the XIM and the mouse/kb but it will generate a new variety of games that are unplayable with the PS4. I personally think you PS4 buyers will all get a XBone soon. Maybe me the other way round if the games have better graphics and higher framerates on the PS4.
They did a lot of stupid things with the Boner but the attached and revised Kinect is a good move.   
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: anony on 11:52 PM - 06/29/13
I can't believe you are preaching that Kinect. Give it up bro, we all know its a gimmick and it ain't going to change the game between the console wars.


Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 11:55 PM - 06/29/13
Oh I really think it will, son.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 12:49 AM - 06/30/13
Your perspective changes when you have kids. I see the kinect as a plus, not a system seller but definitely something that we will enjoy. Who knows what they will do with it in five years too, it may be used with their AR plans.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: anony on 05:09 AM - 06/30/13
I suppose we can all come to the conclusion then:

Xbone is for KIDS
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Zombieguy on 05:29 AM - 06/30/13
I suppose we can all come to the conclusion then:

Xbone is for KIDS

Tee hee hee you said "bone"
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 07:17 AM - 06/30/13
Your perspective changes when you have kids. I see the kinect as a plus, not a system seller but definitely something that we will enjoy. Who knows what they will do with it in five years too, it may be used with their AR plans.

Yeah that’s the point it may be a console we can use with the kids and alone also. The PS4 is for adults only and Manga lovers.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 07:22 AM - 06/30/13
wouldnt say its for kids, cause xbox pretty much has 0 games that do target kids
what they need to do now is create a new branch in that direction, or else nintendo will still be the kids choice nr1

nintendo pretty much has them all through their handhelds already, and from there on its only a small step towards the console

so imo it remains to be seen with what games microsoft plans to come up with
cause with some basic sport games that do use the kinect theres no way you can win over nintendo
if you ask a kid what their favorite video game heros are, you most likely will hear stuff like mario, sonic, donkey kong, kirby, link, ...

on the other hand if they focus their games too much into that direction, the older generation will thing that kinect is solely for the younger generation, which then will lead them towards the ps4

pretty tough decisions that microsoft has to do now ;)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: trenth on 09:21 AM - 06/30/13
http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-executive-says-comparing-specs-is-meaningless-6410875

Comparing spec's is meaningless say's the PR.

Thanks Xbox, i'll get the PS4 then! :)

Funny how Xbox has pushed me into buying a PS4 more than Sony has, lol.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: TheCityWok on 10:03 AM - 06/30/13
Xbox One selling point will be we have dedis for Cod Ghost and PS4 doesn't. It's obvious.

"Microsoft realized that player-hosted servers are actually holding back online gaming and that this is something that they could help solve, and ran full-speed with this idea."
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: McNappa on 11:12 AM - 06/30/13
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox-one-memory-better-in-production-hardware

192GB/sec.    Some of you boys really need to keep up. Ps4 is now behind xbones performance. Plus ps4 sound silicon is yet to be proven and might take up a lot of the CPU process. Not so on xbone
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 11:21 AM - 06/30/13
There we go, next prediction of Glenn that is correct. You should listen to that guy :D
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Santigold on 04:04 PM - 06/30/13
http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-executive-says-comparing-specs-is-meaningless-6410875

Comparing spec's is meaningless say's the PR.

Thanks Xbox, i'll get the PS4 then! :)

Funny how Xbox has pushed me into buying a PS4 more than Sony has, lol.

Sounds like a stupid excuse. We have a ton of multiplattform games, its not like theres only exclusives. "you only care what games the system has". Stupid ms tool. In fact multiplats are liek 90% of all games out there.

That the hardware matters you can see on Wii U which cant move units off the shelves. But kinda expected answer from him, I mean noones expects them to say "well yeah we do have woeaker hardware, so if you want to have slightly better graphics in most multiplatformer games and ofcourse exclusive games then go with ps4"...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 04:05 PM - 06/30/13
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox-one-memory-better-in-production-hardware

192GB/sec.    Some of you boys really need to keep up. Ps4 is now behind xbones performance. Plus ps4 sound silicon is yet to be proven and might take up a lot of the CPU process. Not so on xbone

thats not the entire truth!
and its also false to say the boner is now better than the ps4

first off, microsoft hasnt changed anything on their hardware
all that has been done is to measure the stuff in a more precise way
its still 1:1 the same specs as before, nothing has changed

also very important to know about the 192 value
its THEORETICALLY achieveable, the proper neogaf topic with the entire arcticle/interview also has the statement that confirms 100-130 is practically doable by 1st party developers that have the knowledge and budget to deal with eSRAM technology
all other third parties will be much lower on the value

also this doesnt increase ANY GFX, ps4 is still miles ahead in both, bus and gfx



and while we are at it

the numbers that have been provided in eurogamer and digital foundry are only achievable when the gpu is downclocked by 50 mhz
so microsoft pretty much confirmed indirectly that they have yield issues with their far too big gpu

leaks do claim that only 20% of the cpus can go for true 800mhz, all others need to be downclocked to 750mhz



read this topic if you still think that this helps microsoft to get on par with ps4
cause it truly doesnt

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=606971
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: anony on 07:28 PM - 06/30/13
Xbox One selling point will be we have dedis for Cod Ghost and PS4 doesn't. It's obvious.

"Microsoft realized that player-hosted servers are actually holding back online gaming and that this is something that they could help solve, and ran full-speed with this idea."

This is outright @#$%. Battlefield 3 had dedicated servers on both ps3 and xbox. Its not up to Sony or MS to implement these, its up to the developers

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox-one-memory-better-in-production-hardware

192GB/sec.    Some of you boys really need to keep up. Ps4 is now behind xbones performance. Plus ps4 sound silicon is yet to be proven and might take up a lot of the CPU process. Not so on xbone

As said:

Reads more like creative accounting to disguise a GPU downclock from 800MHz by 50MHz.

750 (freq) * 128 (bytes/clock) = 96 GB/s
96 GB/s * 2 (simultaneous read/write) = 192 GB/s

How much does MS pay to write this garbage?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Rambos_BFF on 07:39 PM - 06/30/13
It's up to the developers.  Well stated. I have a feeling that the American developers will give more love to the XBOX. In fact it's almost a certainty, judging by the past. (Which is always the best prediction for the future)

 Just as they did for the Xbox 360. As far as RPGs and such go, choose sony. 
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 08:37 PM - 06/30/13
McNappa -- you seriously think they magically found extra speed in the edsram?  Lol....
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 08:50 PM - 06/30/13
Yeah they didn’t change the hardware which is necessary, I misread this.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 12:16 AM - 07/01/13
I mean as far as i can tell ps4s hardware advantage is waaaay more than it was last gen. I could be wrong but that gddr5 is gonna shine in about 2 years id say. Last gen it was a handful of polys more and now its like double or triple.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 10:50 AM - 07/01/13
Indeed it is, the only concern Im having right now with ps4 is that it uses FreeBSD as OS which doesnt support DirectX. Yes that is another monopoly by them MS scrubs to dominate the OS market and force Mac OS and Linux users to still get their sh1tty Metro 8.

I mean I dont use linux or mac, but I can understand ppl who would like to play newest games on mac or linux. Which they cant because mofos at microsoft monopolized gaming market by not providing needed library files to port directx over to linux or mac os.

I really hope that devs transfer over to OpenGL so their games can be played on more plattforms rather than only on the Metro 8.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 10:56 AM - 07/01/13
souver the ps4 has a plugin that lets you use directx
its not as efficient as using straight directx, but its dx11 compatible

sorry i dont have the right programming term for it, lets leave it as a plugin
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 11:08 AM - 07/01/13
well that would be nice ofcourse. I thought that it will only support OpenGL since its publicly available and supported for all systems, whereas them monopoly swines at Microsoft keep it exclusive to Windows and syndicating game devs to use DirectX for their games. Whereas OpenGL easily allows the same graphics quality and same possibilites that DirectX allows for. Well almost the same.

Ok just found this:

Quote
Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

link: http://www.geek.com/games/sony-iimprove-directx-11-for-the-ps4-blu-ray-1544364/

so now I actually have no real concerns anymore. Improved DirectX 11 it is and better Hardware overall (DDR5 and stronger gpu). Just take my money already Sony and give me the darn console.

yeah @ od1n just found it myself ;)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 11:14 AM - 07/01/13
here is a source souver
not what i was looking for but says pretty much the same

http://www.geek.com/games/sony-iimprove-directx-11-for-the-ps4-blu-ray-1544364



edit:

here the real source

ps4 can use directx through a so called wrapper

http://paradox3d.net/blog/direct3d11-ps4.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMarjG8Qp1s&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 12:40 PM - 07/01/13
so one of the first boner headleaders decided to leave the sinking ship after crushing on a sony iceberg...
oh wait, isnt he among those that actually set sails to that direction?! ;)

"microsofts xbox head don mattrick leaves microsoft to join zynga as their new CEO"

http://allthingsd.com/20130701/exclusive-microsofts-entertainment-head-don-mattrick-leaving-to-take-top-role-possibly-ceo-at-zynga/?mod=atdtweet


i slowly start to think microsofts real plan is to create a new soap opera with the boner...
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 12:52 PM - 07/01/13
lol but its this guy isnt it?

(http://gamona-images.de/493968/scale,960,599,outside/fe8cb8ccbc93e93de22c685cfa2c5170.jpg)

Its the guy with TV, sports, TV, TV, sports.... He announced the freaking next gen console a month ago and now he jumps ship? Weird sh1t going on at MS...

Also its worth mentioning that Zynga is doing bad these days, they had to reduce workers a couple of weeks ago and dropped 520 workers. So its not like hes improving his position really. But hes the only guy who knows for sure.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 01:05 PM - 07/01/13
who knows if hes really responisble for the direction microsoft went

id do the very same in his position, it will only get worse over the years when the real gap between ps4 and boner will be outlined
even worse when it wasnt him that set the sails, but as the boss he needs to take responsibility for the crap that his underlings decided to go for

rather drop out now before the real sales actually start to roll
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:11 PM - 07/01/13
Had to google Zynga I think its like that Island Steve McQeen and Dustin Hofmann had to go in the movie Papillon.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 01:23 PM - 07/01/13
Zynga is actually well known for its facebook games and simple games for mobile devices.

For example texas holdem by Zynga on Iphone, its actually not that bad. They have many casino type games. Black jack, poker etc.

@odin- yeah who knows what happened behind the scene. Weird thing is though that 2 big employees associated with Xbone left the company shortly before Xbone releases.

First Adam Orth: http://venturebeat.com/2013/04/10/adam-orth-fired-microsoft-xbox-exec-who-insulted-fans-appears-to-have-joined-the-ranks-of-the-jobseekers/

now this guy. You dont usually leave the winning team. Unless ofcourse u know the team is last thing but winning.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: GreyMouser on 01:53 PM - 07/01/13
so one of the first boner headleaders decided to leave the sinking ship after crushing on a sony iceberg...
oh wait, isnt he among those that actually set sails to that direction?! ;)

"microsofts xbox head don maverik leaves microsoft to join zynga as their new CEO"

http://allthingsd.com/20130701/exclusive-microsofts-entertainment-head-don-mattrick-leaving-to-take-top-role-possibly-ceo-at-zynga/?mod=atdtweet


i slowly start to think microsofts real plan is to create a new soap opera with the boner...


See what you did Od1n? It's all your fault! ;)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: glenn37216 on 03:07 PM - 07/01/13
Someone had to take the rap for all the bad publicity ...
Who is a better candidate than Don Mattrick ? no ONE.  ;D



"Getting fired ? .. We have a 360 for that.."

Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 03:31 PM - 07/01/13
wow I just came across a very interesting video. First of all Ive watched this vid that some guy posted on the recent news with Don Maverick:

http://www.youtube.com/v/7GM4Lt5k24s&hd=1


and after watching this, youtube suggested this:


http://www.youtube.com/v/FF-tKLISfPE&hd=1


now the second vid has the most interesting part @ 1:50 minutes where steve jobs says something very wise IMO. And thats why his company is as successful as it is.

Now the Microsoft did quite the opposite with Gaynect and Cloud Computing and thats why theyre doomed imo.

Watch those vids especially the second and pay close attention @ 1:50 min.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 12:45 AM - 07/02/13
That is exactly what you feel using an apple product and that is exactly what you dont when you use an M$ product. Apple is bringing out new products with this idea and each is a success. M$ flops just with everything they do and keep their head out of the water with windows most people cant leave as its still monopolized in games, servers and small business software only working on windows.


say bing, yes that’s what I thought is happening at M$
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 01:01 AM - 07/02/13
Good vids... great talk buy steve. I think thats where a lot of products fail.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:14 AM - 07/02/13
One may hate Apple but you take the product and it works and its nice to use. This is something Obsiv has to think of. He did the Edge the Microsoft way and in my opinion only the pricetag saved him and the PS3 support. He did not ask but just took away some nice features from the XIM3. If he had done the Edge more expensive close to the XIM3 range and still Xbox only the Edge would have failed badly not to mention the damage by the shitstorm that would have happened here.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 05:24 AM - 07/02/13
Well actually Obsiv started with the customer experience (using well established way of playing fps games with keyboard and mouse) and came up with the technology so actually the Apple way.

MS is pulling new technologies out their a$$ and try to figure out ways to sell it, and obviously fail at it.

The first vid with Bing looks to be a parody though, but a funny one still.

@amak1- yeah and Steve knew it like 20 years ago already if not earlier. The guy was nothing short of a mastermind.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: McNappa on 11:22 AM - 07/02/13
McNappa -- you seriously think they magically found extra speed in the edsram?  Lol....
Nope. They just don't understand how to take advantage of it. And as for them having to down clock the CPU to 750MHz Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa BS.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: tuffrabit on 11:28 AM - 07/02/13
That magical on-die edsram is what makes the OS context switching so seamless and fast.  Without it context switching would be EXPENSIVE.  Your games will not benefit from that memory.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 12:26 PM - 07/02/13
ps3-> ps4 controller change:

(http://ps4news.at/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/dualshock3-morph-dualshock4.gif)


(http://ps4news.at/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ps4-controller-vs-ps3-controller-900-75.jpg)

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/side-by-side-ps4-gamepad-vs-ps3-gamepad-1161094
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 12:34 PM - 07/02/13
My favorite post on Digital Foundry....

Director: "What is the throughput?"
Engineer: "102GB/s"
/SLAP
Director: "Try again"
Engineer: /sniff "176GB/s?"
Director: "Nearly. Have one more go."
Engineer: "Err, 1..9..2GB/s?"
Director: "That's better. You can stay."
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 01:32 PM - 07/02/13
This time around it looks like I will like the PS4 controller more than new boner controller.

(http://www10.pic-upload.de/25.06.13/akjcqjanbq1v.jpg)

Luckily Sony increased the size of it.

The Boner controller actually looks more like the very first Xbox 1 controller, which felt like a piece of stone.

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_krikq94CCy1qzgblm.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: PlaDale on 01:45 PM - 07/02/13
I think that this controller was the best

(http://i.imgur.com/Rvp8TEF.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Edwood on 05:35 PM - 07/02/13
LOL, am I the only one that doesn't really care about the controllers?

In the long run, I'm not going to actually game with them.  cough cough.  ;)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 05:54 PM - 07/02/13
there are still games better played with a controller than KBM - jump n runs, hack n slays, racing, beat em ups etc.

unless ofcourse u have a joystick and a racing wheel etc.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 03:56 AM - 07/03/13
Yea the mouse and keys are pretty exclusive imho. I use the controller on my pc for anything that doesnt require precise aim.... which is anything other than an fps pretty much. Havnt tried those big mmos though.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 12:07 PM - 07/03/13
this edge magazine, where can i buy it! :P

(http://i.imgur.com/hofwaY7.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Speagles on 12:57 AM - 07/04/13
(http://i.imgur.com/bgQg1iD.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:13 AM - 07/04/13
You are right I will buy the PS4 for myself to play at high framerates and I will buy an Xbox ONE for my Kid when its cheap. I hope it was intended like this by Microsoft. Yes? 
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: attila4go on 02:24 AM - 07/04/13
http://www.oxm.co.uk/57505/features/the-new-dark-side-of-xbox-live-microsoft-explains-xbox-ones-all-new-reputation-system/?page=1 (http://www.oxm.co.uk/57505/features/the-new-dark-side-of-xbox-live-microsoft-explains-xbox-ones-all-new-reputation-system/?page=1)  ::)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 02:53 AM - 07/04/13
Hahaha I like this one.

Quote
there's a few per cent of our population that are causing the rest of the population to have a miserable time, we should be able to identify those folks.

I am so happy my K/D is under 2.0. LOL

Xog dont get the ONE
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: McNappa on 03:57 AM - 07/04/13
this edge magazine, where can i buy it! :P

(http://i.imgur.com/hofwaY7.jpg)
That's it for me. I'm jumping ship to ps4. Edge magazine really know their @#$%. Any xboners left out there really need to read that magazine. @Od1n   Edge magazine is available everywhere in the uk. You should be able to import one
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 04:25 AM - 07/04/13
http://www.oxm.co.uk/57505/features/the-new-dark-side-of-xbox-live-microsoft-explains-xbox-ones-all-new-reputation-system/?page=1 (http://www.oxm.co.uk/57505/features/the-new-dark-side-of-xbox-live-microsoft-explains-xbox-ones-all-new-reputation-system/?page=1)  ::)

am i the only one that reads matchmaking, matchmaking, matchmaking?

if microsoft truly goes dedicated servers only, at least stop the matchmaking crap
i want to choose my own server with the mode and map of my preference, and not being put into a team of weirdos due to my extremly bad reputation
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 05:45 AM - 07/04/13
Not to be a douche but the only ppl making a good argument for the boner are these guys.... http://www.respawn.com/news/lets-talk-about-the-xbox-live-cloud/#more-1772
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 07:50 AM - 07/04/13
Not to be a douche but the only ppl making a good argument for the boner are these guys.... http://www.respawn.com/news/lets-talk-about-the-xbox-live-cloud/#more-1772

i have a strong feeling that titanfall will flop just as bad as crysis3 and halo4 did

mechas in a shooter is jus the worst idea you can do
didnt work in crysis3, neither in halo4
their population is almost dead now
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 09:46 AM - 07/04/13
@od1n- indeed Ive watched a couple of videos and interviews for Titanfall. Which it looks like a fresh concept, Imo it will be annoying.

Obviously everyone starts as a normal solider (called Pilot). Then u kill other guys etc. and when u have a certain score u can call in the Mech. Basically everyone can.

So as the game progresses its basically just mech fighting. Ofcourse u can kill the mechs, then the guys respawn and run around as soldiers again until they get the needed score to call in a Mech again.

Obviously u can parcour the whole map making double/triple jumps and whatnot as a soldier.

I dunno, it sounds not bad, but I see myself get bored by all this mech battles quickly. It remains to be seen how many gamers like the game and keep playing it actively.

But just assuming that COD games are still most successful- where u just have gun on gun battles without any vehicles- I dont think Titanfail will be that much populated. At least we have a good choice from bf4/titanfail/cod:g etc.
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 10:29 AM - 07/04/13
Not to be a douche but the only ppl making a good argument for the boner are these guys.... http://www.respawn.com/news/lets-talk-about-the-xbox-live-cloud/#more-1772

i have a strong feeling that titanfall will flop just as bad as crysis3 and halo4 did

mechas in a shooter is jus the worst idea you can do
didnt work in crysis3, neither in halo4
their population is almost dead now

Yea, I'm going to disagree. Titanfall will do just fine. It won't break records, it won't kill COD or BF; it's not intended to. Additionally the dev team behind it created the COD franchise; they know a thing or two about balance and design. And just because you don't like mechs doesn't mean that everyone else will agree with you. You list examples of other games and I suppose my question is why did those games do poorly? I would wager it wasnt because of the sole fact that there were mechs.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 11:12 AM - 07/04/13
I also think Titanfall will work just not the ONE, LOL sorry had to do the joke.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 11:18 AM - 07/04/13
Not to be a douche but the only ppl making a good argument for the boner are these guys.... http://www.respawn.com/news/lets-talk-about-the-xbox-live-cloud/#more-1772

i have a strong feeling that titanfall will flop just as bad as crysis3 and halo4 did

mechas in a shooter is jus the worst idea you can do
didnt work in crysis3, neither in halo4
their population is almost dead now

Yea, I'm going to disagree. Titanfall will do just fine. It won't break records, it won't kill COD or BF; it's not intended to. Additionally the dev team behind it created the COD franchise; they know a thing or two about balance and design. And just because you don't like mechs doesn't mean that everyone else will agree with you. You list examples of other games and I suppose my question is why did those games do poorly? I would wager it wasnt because of the sole fact that there were mechs.


no, i wasnt refering to the entire game but more like to its game modes that include the mechas
should have specified that a little better

watch the population of all halo 4 modes that include the mantis, their curves do look like something similar to 1/x
same for crysis, pretty much same prinicple as in titanfall by the way

its just too hard to give a balance to mechas, they either are too strong or too weak
there pretty much isnt a valid sweet point

343i showed this in halo 4 where they tried to patch the mantis to perfection since release, and still its everywhere but not near the sweet spot
i dont know of a single shooter game including a mecha where it wasnt either overpowered or useless

people dont want to play that crap, halo 4 and crysis 3 showed this pretty well
so i expect the same population curve in titanfall as written above
the customers will be trapped by the advertise, might even enjoy it for a week or month, just to realize how frustrating mechas are

actually by watching the titanfall gameplays you pretty much see that its a combination of crysis and halo 4 mecha
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 03:19 PM - 07/04/13
Recently Ive came across a different calculation:

with ps4 beeing 100 euro cheaper than the boner- it means u can have 2-3 years psn+.

so for 500 euro you either get:

boner+gaynect alone

or

ps4 + 2 years psn plus + many free games for PSN plus members

what would be your choice?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 04:14 PM - 07/04/13
boner, infinite power of the cloud + its the next water cooler (http://www.bsnooch.com/forums/Smileys/bsnooch/Kappa.gif)




since psn+ for ps4 will also include ps4 games, theres a high chance we are going to get killzone through it fairly soon
the other devs most likely dont want to give away their games 2 month after release, so 1st party titles are pretty much what psn+ will offer as ps4 games for the first few month

just wanted to let you know for those that are thinking on a killzone purchase and arent too excited about it
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 06:04 PM - 07/04/13
Yea, I give up. Might as well lock the thread; the whole thing is one giant PlayStation4 circle-jerk. Intelligent conversation comes here to die.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 06:16 PM - 07/04/13
the intelligent discussion will start when microsoft decides to come up with something intelligent
so heres a potential hint towards that direction :)



so microsoft did decide now that they, unlike last year, want to participate at gamescom + also have a press conference with a 1 hour duration
the reason for this is to make the boner more appealing to the europeans


im a bit curious what this could be
- 299€ pricetag realized through dropping kinect and tv stuff?
- better hardware?
hopefully not only games! (instead of TV TV TV this time FIFA FIFA FIFA...)

i mean there must be something worthfull to come up with, as from the current perspective of a european there only are the games that do make the boner appealing
next to that half of europe isnt part of the ip unlock, so they cant use the boner at launch anyhow...

so it really can be narrowed down to the games, as the tv stuff aint realizeable over here
cable tv over here is divided in so many different companies, most of them covering only an area of a small US state
therefore this feature is pretty much meaningless for an european, as probably not a lot of those companies do want to add microsoft to their home business

lets see what they will come up with
im still all sold to the ps4, the 299€ pricetag would be the only thing to make me think about a switch
399€ wouldnt change anything, except for some super awesome new exclusives being added to that maybe



http://www.computerandvideogames.com/417665/cvg-sources-microsoft-planning-gamescom-press-conference/
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: DOLK on 08:58 PM - 07/04/13
Yea, I give up. Might as well lock the thread; the whole thing is one giant PlayStation4 circle-jerk. Intelligent conversation comes here to die.

lol, i agree, it's gotten to the point where i just come here to check out what other information the fanboys have scoured the web for, and how they use it against MS.

it's really gotten entertaining.

not to mention the insanely biased POW, which is then presented as beeing pure facts.

example:

the boner have nothing but fees, and @#$% games that i can clearly tell will be bad.

and then you see a list of things for the PS4.

"the PS4 is handmade by the finest chinese plastic, The parts, put together by jesus himself"
"they use only the best manufacturers"
"the games, my god, the games, never before have the world been blessed by such amazing display of art, if you grinded the PS4 games up to dust, not even god would be worthy of snorting it"
"insert even more personal opinions about everything sony have done during the last 10 years here"

and then finish of with some insane prediction about how  the xboner wont sell worth a @#$%, and that the framerate will be @#$%, even though it have been stated, several big games will run at 60fps.
And last but not least, dont forget to mention how the boner will fail and microsoft will go brankrupt.

i can tell, that nothing said on the forums here will sway someone who have allready made up their opinion of what they are gonna buy.

I honestly dont know why certain people continiue to dig through the garbage on the web just to find ANYTHING that can be used for their purpose against MS, why the @#$% not just play some god @#$% games instead and stop worrying about what the other console does, and instaed focus on what your own console does.
Title: Re: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RookCheck on 10:23 PM - 07/04/13
the intelligent discussion will start when microsoft decides to come up with something intelligent
so heres a potential hint towards that direction :)



so microsoft did decide now that they, unlike last year, want to participate at gamescom + also have a press conference with a 1 hour duration
the reason for this is to make the boner more appealing to the europeans


im a bit curious what this could be
- 299€ pricetag realized through dropping kinect and tv stuff?
- better hardware?
hopefully not only games! (instead of TV TV TV this time FIFA FIFA FIFA...)

i mean there must be something worthfull to come up with, as from the current perspective of a european there only are the games that do make the boner appealing
next to that half of europe isnt part of the ip unlock, so they cant use the boner at launch anyhow...

so it really can be narrowed down to the games, as the tv stuff aint realizeable over here
cable tv over here is divided in so many different companies, most of them covering only an area of a small US state
therefore this feature is pretty much meaningless for an european, as probably not a lot of those companies do want to add microsoft to their home business

lets see what they will come up with
im still all sold to the ps4, the 299€ pricetag would be the only thing to make me think about a switch
399€ wouldnt change anything, except for some super awesome new exclusives being added to that maybe



http://www.computerandvideogames.com/417665/cvg-sources-microsoft-planning-gamescom-press-conference/

TLDR.

My point was that when "intelligent conversation" includes zero critique of one side and derogatory nicknames for the other then I'm done. Its not intelligent, it's a circle jerk amongst fan boys; an echo chamber that degrades anyone who not only disagrees but even simply questions.

An intelligent conversation would discuss the pros and cons of both systems. It's obviously not happening, and won't as far as anyone can reasonably foresee.


Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mindworm22 on 10:45 PM - 07/04/13
Bitter.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: attila4go on 12:58 AM - 07/05/13
http://www.vgleaks.com/rumor-xbox-one-controller-quartered/ (http://www.vgleaks.com/rumor-xbox-one-controller-quartered/)

(http://www.vgleaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/4.jpg)
(http://www.vgleaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/2.jpg)
(http://www.vgleaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/1.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 07:02 AM - 07/05/13
1. its weird that it has 2 pcbs. I wonder why it was required to have 2 instead of 1 pcb.

2. the parts look really cheaply manufactured. Like really cheap. Recent 360 controller parts look to be higher quality, if you ever had the analog sticks replaced and actually ever disassembled the 360 controller.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 07:03 AM - 07/05/13
well its a vs thread, people do pick their choice and ofc do make biased posts
therefore the general attitude is ofc slightly more direct and offensive than in general discussion topics

the problem of this topic is that this community barely has any boner fans by heart, that do their research and come up with pro boner topics
ofc a ps4 fan wont put the same amount of passion to search for boner topics, unless he/she stumbles upon them by accident

the other poll topic showed pretty well what the current tendency of this community is
everyone that is pro boner should feel free to share his/her thoughts here
the ps4 fans then will have to face that, and vice versa

also this topic just reflects a current point of view
it might look the exact opposite after gamescom, who knows
the boner fanboys shouldnt feel attacked by the current attitude of this topic, as in a few weeks everything might look different

so i dont see any reason to lock this
the topic might need some more balance, but thats something that will come by its own through all the new information we are going to get by events like gamescom or tokio game show
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: BionicTbag on 08:57 AM - 07/05/13
1. its weird that it has 2 pcbs. I wonder why it was required to have 2 instead of 1 pcb.

2. the parts look really cheaply manufactured. Like really cheap. Recent 360 controller parts look to be higher quality, if you ever had the analog sticks replaced and actually ever disassembled the 360 controller.


Its the way of the world man!  everything is getting shittier and shittier.


The quality of Everything's going down hill.  perhaps its due to new techniques in manufacturing? or just that they need to be cautions and make everything on the cheap because as we all know PS3 and xbox both lost money on the console sales, and made it back on games...


I for one only hope the xbox itself for both consoles are good enough to last.. and NOT red ring...


I for one wont mind purchasing a new controller...or two over time... but the box must be well made!



Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 08:58 AM - 07/05/13
odin- no need to justify yourself.

The one guy- only posts you see from him is complaining about what others post. You dont see any contributive posts from him almost.

The second guy is a hardcore boner fanboy it looks like, who is making new accounts to support his fanboy console.

I dont even read their posts tbh. And yeah I appreciate all the info that ppl post here, be it controller pics, new info about consoles etc. Any info is welcome and any rational oppinions.

Nevermind the haters. Im ignoring them by default

by the way just read this article: http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-one-created-with-advertising-in-mind-6411083

Xbox One was created with advertising in mind. Lol you dont say. Really hard to not notice when you take a look at the recent Dashboard. How much is purely gaming related and how much advertisement for non gaming stuff? smh
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 09:38 AM - 07/05/13
here some new pro ps4 news, that are quite heavy :)

- another confirmation that ps4 architecture is extremly easy
- first cross-platform game between ps4 and pc confirmed!
- ps4 controller does much better than expected
- sony to shell out dev kits without hesitation to everyone that wants some

Quote
Warframe developer Digital Extremes is bringing its free-to-play ninja shooter to PS4 at launch, and in an interview with VG247, has discussed the console’s technical power and PC-like architecture. The studio also championed the DualShock 4 controller as the best console pad they’ve ever held.

Digital Extremes is bringing its free co-op shooter Warframe to PS4 at launch and it will bear negligible differences to the PC build. It is almost like-for-like and allows cross play between Sony’s hardware and PC, making for a truly connected co-op experience. The team has repeatedly stressed that it wants no content differences between builds. At all.

When asked if Digital Extremes approached Sony with a view to bringing Warframe to PS4, creative director Steve Sinclair replied, “They approached us actually, I guess it’s coming up to about four months ago. We were in our open beta and rocking the Steam charts there, and Sony got in contact with James, who’s the owner of the company and said, ‘Hey what would you think about bringing Warframe over to our next gen console?

“We had, probably, a 30-second conversation about if we should do it, “Sinclair added, and then, “[Sony] squeezed themselves to send us as many dev kits as possible and three months later we were on the [E3] show floor at PlayStation 4 showing Warframe playable.”

The speed with which Digital Extremes brought Warframe to PS4 in a playable state for E3 speaks volumes about how closely akin the PS4 architecture is to PC systems. I asked Sinclair to describe just how closely matched both platforms are in reality.

“Warframe supported 64-bit and DirectX 11 for a long time, and there’s a lot of commonality in that sort of architecture with what they’re doing on PS4. They’ve got a lot of cores on there, so, I was every surprised how fast we got up and running – I think Sony was as well.”

“When we went to [E3] and people said, ‘Holy smokes this is on PlayStation 4, it looks amazing.’ Maybe they were Warframe fans so they were just trying to appease us, but they said it was one of the best-looking games they saw at the show.

“In three months time, that’s a testament to how developer-friendly this version of PlayStation is. It’s absolutely awesome. What surprised me most is how [email protected]#$% the GPU is – the graphics are super, super high-end.

Sony’s encouragement of a flat-development architecture seems to have ushered many indies into the PS4 fold, and the console’s technical aspects are easy to understand and utilise. Sinclair stressed that while PS3 was a powerful console it was “Byzantine”, and that PS4 is powerful yet manageable.

The studio is also impressed with DualShock 4, and this new version of Warframe will allow for gesture controls using the controller’s motion functionality – only if the player chooses. Sinclair added, “There are cool things on PS4 that we are taking advantage of. The DualShock 4 is the best game controller I’ve ever put my hands on, I’m so excited about it.

“It has touch screen controls. At E3 we showed little swipe gestures to activate your Warframe abilities that people thought was really cool. There are the ‘social features’ like the share button, all those integrated features where you can say ‘I just did this cool thing in Warframe’ and that pushes out over your network.”
http://www.vg247.com/2013/07/05/warframe-dev-praises-developer-friendly-ps4-tech-dualshock-4-best-console-controller-yet/


apparently this fits 1:1 with what cerny said in his conference on the ps4 architecture
it really is just as easy as back in the days

pic from his conference

(http://cdn.medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/dir_3049/image_304941_460.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 11:47 AM - 07/05/13
(http://www.psmania.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/size23.jpg)

http://www.psmania.net/2013/05/sizing-up-the-console-war-xbox-one-dimensions-revealed/


the PS4 looks like a slim version already. I dont think there will be a PS4 slim lol.

took the image from here, and they took it from a twitter user, so cant 100% guarantee legitimacy.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/ps4-size-sees-console-dwarfed-by-xbox-one

OH YEAh worth mentioning is also that the power unit will be inside the PS4, while the boner will still have an external Power Brick:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=560781



its really beyond me how Sony manages to put better hardware inside the PS4 in a SMALLER box PLUS the power supply, while the Boner needs a way BIGGER box and also has the power UNIT OUTSIDE the box.

Well the same thing is with Xbox 360 slim and sony superslim. Where the power supply is inside the small console in the ps3 and 360 slim has an  external power supply.

Boner definately has an external power brick, it was confirmed already and you can see that theres no internal power brick inside the xbox one:

(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2013/05/20130514-XBOX-ONE-TEARDOWN-015-660x440.jpg)

heres the external power brick:

(http://i.imgur.com/dDGBpTj.png)

another one:
(http://abload.de/img/screenshot2013-05-21a79skj.png)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Souver on 01:39 PM - 07/05/13
Interesting article:

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/consoles/sony-ps4-is-the-most-powerful-gaming-device-ever-conceived-1163886

another intersting short video, make sure to check it out everyone:


http://www.youtube.com/v/MDE1PBTmWFc&hd=1
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: RML on 08:31 AM - 07/06/13
Haven't checked in on this thread in awhile, not sure if this was posted or not but just another referrence to console hardware (My turn to Beat the dead horse). PS4 exclusives will probably be the BEST looking games produced next Gen.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/ps4-and-xbox-one-gpu-compared-one-more-time-huge-differences-between-the-two/43850.html


Then I saw this and couldn't help but laugh as absolutely NONE of the reasons apply to me!

http://money.cnn.com/gallery/technology/2013/07/05/xbox-will-win.fortune/index.html


Bottomline, So far I'll be purchasing an XB1 just to play Titanfall and that's about it. However, if XIM isn't working by the time TF releases I'll probably buy it for the 360 instead.

On a slight positive note, MS stated that you could use an external hard drive with the XB1 (via a 3.0 hub) if the 500GB's packed into it weren't sufficient enough for you.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 09:23 AM - 07/06/13
here some new infors on titalfall

- constant 60 fps in any situation
- next to PC and PS4 later the year there will also be a 360 version
- cloud benefits remain to be unknown haha
- 360 version also runs on dedi servers
- no 1080p

the no 1080p caught me, while respawn ofc is a small team, the grafics and textures arent really awesome, also there isnt any real destruction in the game
i wonder why they cannot achieve 1080p while a game like BF4 looks twice as good with much more destruction and still runs on 60 fps
this all makes it look a little bit rushed, just like everything on the boner
id prefer to give respawn the time they need to showcase their game the way its meant to be



source
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=615321
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-titanfall-tech-analysis
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Santigold on 03:36 PM - 07/06/13
here some new infors on titalfall

- constant 60 fps in any situation
- next to PC and PS4 later the year there will also be a 360 version
- cloud benefits remain to be unknown haha
- 360 version also runs on dedi servers
- no 1080p

the no 1080p caught me, while respawn ofc is a small team, the grafics and textures arent really awesome, also there isnt any real destruction in the game
i wonder why they cannot achieve 1080p while a game like BF4 looks twice as good with much more destruction and still runs on 60 fps
this all makes it look a little bit rushed, just like everything on the boner
id prefer to give respawn the time they need to showcase their game the way its meant to be



source
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=615321
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-titanfall-tech-analysis


BUT..... BUT Od1n....

Whats with the INFINITE POWER OF THE CLOUD? Why they no do 1080p....!!!!????!?!

Is the INFINITE POWER OF THE CLOUD not enough for 1080p 60fps? Kinda saddening. Whats the sh1t good for then?

What would be actually funny is after seeing the article linked by RML, if Respawn releases Titan few months later for the PS4 with 1080p and 60fps lmao. That would be an in yo face to MS basically.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 05:09 PM - 07/06/13
This smells like no solid 60 frames on the NONE at 1080p and thus no 1080p on the PS4
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 06:32 PM - 07/06/13
well their main target is to realize constant 60 fps, they then will pick the needed resolution for that on the boner
respawn already said that this wont be doable in 1080p, so it will be a lower resolution
not sure about ps4 though, article only is about the boner version
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 12:38 AM - 07/08/13
Indeed it is, the only concern Im having right now with ps4 is that it uses FreeBSD as OS which doesnt support DirectX. Yes that is another monopoly by them MS scrubs to dominate the OS market and force Mac OS and Linux users to still get their sh1tty Metro 8.

I mean I dont use linux or mac, but I can understand ppl who would like to play newest games on mac or linux. Which they cant because mofos at microsoft monopolized gaming market by not providing needed library files to port directx over to linux or mac os.

I really hope that devs transfer over to OpenGL so their games can be played on more platforms rather than only on the Metro 8.

OpenGL is the future one could argue.. it runs over every system, it bares not some of the problems the alternatives have.. the main downside is it doesn't have the support MS provides even if at a cost.

Valve is happy to push it and some other devs are beginning to see it promising but until Linux gaming gains more momentum i don't think big names other than Valve will endorse it. Mac is so hot right now and still things like League of Legends take years to be ported..
would be very good for gaming to see full on betting on open instead of DirectX, maybe if PS4 wins this gen brutally and Valve launches a proper Steambox with massive public adherence it will happen.. still it's the most unlikely.


i wish MS don't flop completely with the Xbone but i wish they burn in hell on the Windows side, they need to pull their shi7 together or go home. give us a FRESH OS that consumers want and need without BS or just leave the business and let someone take over.. if devs got paid by linux sales it would be such a better product, so flexible and efficient, you know, like the OS concept was created to be. kudos to Apple there




On a slight positive note, MS stated that you could use an external hard drive with the XB1 (via a 3.0 hub) if the 500GB's packed into it weren't sufficient enough for you.

careful, where does MS say you can install games to external HDD ? i can use external hdd in my PS3 and i'm pretty sure i can't install games on it. i bet they will only let you install to internal drive..





also in line with od1n remark one of the first titles i imagine will be on PSN+ for PS4 is The last of Us, i mean it's just a gut feeling but since there will be no Uncharted and they need to rank like 10 games in a short time.. oh and Infamous should be on there as well..

as a notice also Gravity Rush was for free very shortly after being out if not asap, Uncharted Golden abyss was also recent although not the same when PSN+ came out on the Vita..




and CROSS PLATFORM FINALLY! Thank You MS for having 2 platforms under your belt and not giving it before a mere hardware maker like Sony who is so crappy at dev'ing tools and software for devs or consumers alike
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 01:12 AM - 07/08/13
It's running on the source engine, I'm really not surprised that it's not going to be native 1080p. I'm just thankful for the 60fps target developers seem to be aiming for so early on in the cycle. :)

I see this as other developers acknowledging the fact that gamers like the fluidity of call of duty and they will try to match that. Of course it's not all framerate, they will need the gameplay mechanics and look mechanic to match.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: McNappa on 01:39 AM - 07/08/13
Where did you read that titanfall is coming to ps4 shortly after PC. Bs bs bs bs bs bs bs bs bs. Microsoft have a 1 year exclusivity contract. That means pc and xbone release at the same time and xbox360 version will be a month or 2 later. Ps...Linux is @#$%.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 02:01 AM - 07/08/13
Ps...Linux is @#$%.

ROFL you just made my day! i'm surprised you can even post on a forum with such an extensive knowledge of Computer Science you clearly must have.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: attila4go on 02:45 AM - 07/08/13
Battlefield 4 might have Keyboard and Mouse Usage for PS4  :o

http://playstationgang.com/battlefield-4-might-have-keyboard-and-mouse-usage-for-ps4/ (http://playstationgang.com/battlefield-4-might-have-keyboard-and-mouse-usage-for-ps4/)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: amak1 on 02:55 AM - 07/08/13
You guys are funny.... yea ps4 sounds real good to me right now but im not buying any console at release... i dont want to be the "house caught on fire" ginnypig. Lol. Obviously ps4 is not marginally more powerful hardware wise than xbone (if they dont change specs which wouldnt surprise me at this point) but wa!aaaay more powerful graphically. Also who knows if devs will even harness that power besides exclusives. Still waaay too many unkown variables to make any sort of educated decision at this point... srsly. I wish we had a genesis 256.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 02:56 AM - 07/08/13
Battlefield 4 might have Keyboard and Mouse Usage for PS4  :o

http://playstationgang.com/battlefield-4-might-have-keyboard-and-mouse-usage-for-ps4/ (http://playstationgang.com/battlefield-4-might-have-keyboard-and-mouse-usage-for-ps4/)

such good news but one look at the comments and 1/3 at least is a gamepad retard who can't even realise some people don't have the money for a good PC or that Dice can just separate kbm players from controller players so there is no feud. i swear console FPS players seem to be the gathering of this generation of mindfarts.. well at least they will spend less or no time on PC which seems to be the main reason why PC communities have improved since the CS1.5 days..

on the other hand bad news for the XIM crowd xD not that a single game matters anyway, but being one of the most relevant FPS' it could start a trend.. let's hope Dice does it but a rumor is just that, for now at least..
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Santigold on 08:46 AM - 07/08/13
Battlefield 4 might have Keyboard and Mouse Usage for PS4  :o

http://playstationgang.com/battlefield-4-might-have-keyboard-and-mouse-usage-for-ps4/ (http://playstationgang.com/battlefield-4-might-have-keyboard-and-mouse-usage-for-ps4/)

Well dont get to excited there. The news is basically saying they have no specific plans for it, but they might consider it.

I would love to have it though. Because the only thing better than xim is native mouse and keyboard support.

What I dont quite understand in this PS4 hands on video is- where exactly is the bluray drive? I cant seem to see the disc slot.

http://www.youtube.com/v/0a6cjcB085s&hd=1
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 09:29 AM - 07/08/13
the guys says it on the video.. dude.. why you ask and answer?

the blu ray slot is at the left side in the gap. you can see the corner of the space where discs enter left to the front usb slots when they close up
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 10:05 AM - 07/08/13
if bf4 will have mouse support then there also will be mouse only servers like usual i guess
like with unreal tournament 3 on ps3
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 11:09 AM - 07/08/13
i read that article on respawn about XBL cloud, a few words:


every xbox fanboi out there and every non-frequent PSN user is either talking trash about PSN or just worried about Sony's dedicated servers so let me bring you in..

info:
Sony said they'll stream PS3 games instead of backwards compatibility, that is nice and all since with architectural differences between PS3 and PS4 it would require an emulator which just screams trouble and heat.
This is facilitated by their Gakai acquisition, a former service for game streaming.

Game streaming is basically a bunch of dedicated servers around the regions of service that both run the games, instead of you doing so in the local console, and send/receive video,audio and controller input.
the key point is latency. they need really good hardware and very strategic server placement to overcome lag to acceptable levels, even then they can only do so much with the current network infrastructure present in each country.

Aside from Gakai, Sony already had servers spread around but not in an amount aimed at supporting games around the globe and just for random stuff like pretty much every player in the business.

Sony's game studios know the lay of dedicated server land as you can expect, not much more to say about it.

Sony has 2 services of cloud nature called video and music unlimited, they do pretty much what the name suggests, stream music and video like netflix and spotify. It's deployed WW but the latency required for such service is not very demanding at all, think youtube. Plus unlike games you can buffer music and video with no problems covering huge latency problems bandwidth spikes seamlessly.



on another note, Cloud, is a pretty name to say that you have servers running somewhere connected online at client's whim and will. it can be used to refer to

- cloud storage. little compute power, little volatile memory(RAM) and lots and lots of storage. tweaked for great bandwidth, latency is not very important

- site hosting servers and similar online hosting. a bit more computing power than above, proportional memory and less storage. but even so storage being focus. tweaked for great bandwidth, latency not very relevant

- computing server. mainly full of either GPU's or CPU's with lots of RAM proportional and the storage minimally needed.  tweaked for low latency and great bandwidth

- game server. mainly computing centered with the minimal required memory and minimally required storage which shouldn't be much. tweaked for low latency and great bandwidth


another stray info you might look into is how much appealing game streaming is for game companies like MS and Sony, that is the future as soon as network deployed everywhere allows it unlike current infrastructures that just lack especially latency, quality in a way, and even bandwidth as lot's are required even by the best country's standard on the matter. the reason is of course just cost, they can reduce the spendings so much compared to releasing consoles etc and boost earnings a lot by having a much more stable and flexible system.


the resources used to stream 1 single game and to run 1 single server are not equal, by all means, but even without seeing numbers things tend to be more demanding on the streaming side. this is because while one needs full multimedia output which is large plus 1 control input which is small the other just needs several control inputs and tracking other bits of data like position, level features in use, which are many but small pieces of data.




let's puzzle it all together shall we

Sony clearly has a plan and is as we speak building an infrastructure of the best kind (read game streaming kind) for what every gamer needs since it's what they need if they want their game streaming service to be relevant. they are doing so on top of what gakai ALREADY had around the areas of it's service.

they said along side the reveals that they were building it. makes sense that they don't still have it as these things take a lot of time and they couldn't have made the decision so long ago. it's quite mirrored by MS as they are still building their magical cloud too.

this means that Sony must have a target for what they think the use of the system will have, and even if not every PS4 owner will want PS3 games, scaling must be done very hard as every single user has to have access. it will have a very big impact if they minimally underestimate the target. a big company like Sony with already other services in place that share interest and future investment/interest predicted on the matter has no real reason to hold too much off the current estimations aside from wasting too much server cost. (they don't have the financial position to nuke a mosquito)

even then they can, CAN so this is not factual mind you, just follow what MS' targets are in order to be of similar stature. leveraging free server use to devs to not let MS draw to many with that carrot that they are already doing.


now have you noticed how much emphasis Sony is giving to catching up to the XBL current gen advantage? i think that is pretty clear. party chat is probably the most required thing at the moment from the gamer POV but isn't the dedicated server on XBL argument the no1 theme for all the discussions of the PSNvsXBL thing ?
can you really imagine even a stupid coorp like Sony not really picking that up? especially when they tried hard to research what were the mainstream gamer and user views on the whole matter of Xbox pros and PS cons.
even if it's not a valid argument it's what every XBL consumer tells himself to sleep "oh since i'm paying that must count for something, PSN free servers can't be as good" (when it's the game studios that rent the servers)


Sony made a very comical focus on showing the PSN on PS4 will be as much social as it never was on PS3 and they wished they could after the slapping MS and consumers gave them with it. they decided they needed to charge for Online gaming on most games aside from some F2P's and what not, after being so candid on the PSN for free argument for so long. is it really hard to understand from this perspective? note that the detail of some games, mostly free to plays, having free online multiplayer is a very important one. why the special treatment? you expect a big coorp like Sony to be at a loss just on the point of moral that free to play should not be charged a underline service?! HAHA heavens no. they'll either leave costs to the game studio or use player-host so it's free yes, but for Sony not us.

now i'm not saying PSN+ money will all be poured into servers, not by a long shot, it will mostly be for the PSN costs aside from game servers actually and the free games they give. even the streaming game service costs first and game servers after actually. but you know you can't use the game streaming and online MP same time as double resources since both use the same single set of resources so any consumer that's not using one is using the other (or none at the moment but being that it is a paying consumer you at least know at any given time exactly how many users the system will have to account for. you just need good statistic of active users per given time to arrive at a active server requirement number. and statistics of use any company, be it Sony or MS, already have more or less accurately)






TLDR:


i won't summarize the above as it defeats the purpose but it's just food for thought for anyone that is worried on the upcoming PSN. now things could still fail for all we know, everything is possible these days, some parts of the reasoning could have unforeseen obstacles that cripple the system in a major way. however no one can know for fact at this time what the future holds accurately, i'm just providing some information and an educated view on what the most likely scenario is.

if you think i'm biased towards one system over the other i will not argue against it, but it is not hard to stick to objective arguments for the sake of reassuring other also biased people, as nothing will be gained for being subjective and much can be lost.
i'm biased towards the XIM over competition, i can very @#$% well stick to objective arguments when i advocate it and not be a fanboy over it. it's just a good product in what it does, i wouldn't however compare it to a better product for cutting dog's hair, if people want to cut dog's hair then XIM is useless.
(if you want a place to piss XIM can be an option, but user experience has teached us that it's not a very good option though *wink* - "private" joke)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 12:02 PM - 07/08/13
minor letdown for the ps4 enthusiasts, the lightbar on the controller cannot be turned off
if you have a glancy or glossy TV you might see light reflections

but wait, we dont plan to use the controller that much anyhow... ;)

http://www.polygon.com/2013/7/8/4503084/ps4-dualshock-4-will-not-feature-an-off-switch-for-lightbar
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 12:14 PM - 07/08/13
minor letdown for the ps4 enthusiasts, the lightbar on the controller cannot be turned off
if you have a glancy or glossy TV you might see light reflections

but wait, we dont plan to use the controller that much anyhow... ;)

http://www.polygon.com/2013/7/8/4503084/ps4-dualshock-4-will-not-feature-an-off-switch-for-lightbar

i pitty the fool who buys glossy TV's these days xD

but i can confirm that with the wrong setup it can be very annoying as i experienced it when at a friend's house with the PSMove controller and we were closer to the TV. normal distances help but it still is a bit distracting, i was playing on-rail FPS' and noticing it a bit. not a very strong light source but still one,not rly game breaking but still annoying
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Santigold on 12:24 PM - 07/08/13
first of- dunno how ppl hold the controller but i hold it angled pointing more towards the floor and not 90 degrees to the TV.

second- just tape it over with black tape or use black pen to paint over the light. No reason to be concerned here.

third- if you have an extremely reflecting tv, a glowing controller is just one of 100 problems you have.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 12:32 PM - 07/08/13
first of- dunno how ppl hold the controller but i hold it angled pointing more towards the floor and not 90 degrees to the TV.

second- just tape it over with black tape or use black pen to paint over the light. No reason to be concerned here.

third- if you have an extremely reflecting tv, a glowing controller is just one of 100 problems you have.

so spot on.. the other best argument i've seen is "pretty much all plasma TVs are glossy and this will be a problem" and gaming on plasma somehow isn0t a problem for these people LOL! they must love switching TVs in few years time due to burnout xD
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 01:40 PM - 07/08/13
drive club also is rumored to be the first psn+ game for ps4, so you might get it "for free"
well ill just tape my lightbar i guess, dont have a glossy tv but thats what i did with my xim too lol
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 01:41 PM - 07/08/13
Exactly, if you like seeing yourself and your room on the tv together whith what is beeing showed through the TV itself- the glowing controller wont be a problem at all. Plus again you can cover it with tape or paint and block the light.

A news is claiming that Drive Club on the PS4 will feature 1080p and 60fps and also have dedicated servers for multiplayer:

http://www.gamechup.com/driveclub-has-dedicated-servers-damage-ps-plus-version-detailed/

you should also mention PS+ free half game at day1. @#$% Sony really trying to go for your fans there (GT fans were always on of the main branches of the PSFanboy base and this game seems to be for half the GT fanbase crowd.) makes sense they offer the game since it capitalises so much of the social aspect.

shame it's not actually burnout as that is the only kind of virtual racing i like xD (not having wheel,stick and pedals plus the physical feel of the car's momentum is really somehow off putting for me as a driver. weird given my otherwise so techie personality but that's just the way it goes..)

i swear if i ever go to USA, which is very unlikely of all destinations or borderline impossible, i will go down to those destruction driving tracks to wreck some havoc. man i think i would jizz in my pants after being the last man standing if i actually made it ^^



drive club also is rumored to be the first psn+ game for ps4, so you might get it "for free"
well ill just tape my lightbar i guess, dont have a glossy tv but thats what i did with my xim too lol

OH MY WORD! BLASPHEMY! how could you do that to the XIM's marvelous light?! whyy od1n yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! call thor it's hammering time!
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: mist4fun on 02:40 PM - 07/08/13
ak I'm sorry but even your tldr's are tldr :(
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Od1n on 03:29 PM - 07/08/13
posted it in a different topic already but i guess here it has more weight

theres some pretty big poll going on
click on statistics in the upper right and then on the country, it tells you which state voted for what
http://www.xboxonevspsfour.com/

- ps4 votes:     100.372
- boner votes:    29.482

not the first poll in which the ps4 outperforms the boner in 3:1 or 4:1, but so far its the biggest
i mean our own poll shows similar results


i really really hope obsiv considers this
not sure what he has up on his sleve, but i hope ps4 is the lead plattform!
cause thats where next gen is mainly going to happen
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 05:04 PM - 07/08/13
ak I'm sorry but even your tldr's are tldr :(

i can see a "do you even lift?" in "do you even read?" form around here somewhere...

 that info part is not really for you anyway mist, that cuts the post in half and even then most of the rest you already know i guess so no harm.

plus i can now talk crap without moderation since i know mods just don't read my posts  muahahaha ;D






od1n why would we need a lead platform at XIM ? it's basically the same feature set for both, i can only see timing as a factor as more demand in a system and hardship in the other could trouble him. but really i don't want a XIM that only works on a system if it can do both with a few more weeks, and i won't ever get an Xbone. that should say something.. i'm beginning to suspect OB is either working on another job, having family or mob issues or just already with his claws on dev kits.. how hard can it bee to get a dev kit these days anyway? Sony is throwing them around, just look at warframe guys.. all OB has to do is impersonate some indie big shot and BAM PS4 dev kits raining LOL
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Oxxy on 11:26 PM - 07/08/13


i really really hope obsiv considers this
not sure what he has up on his sleve, but i hope ps4 is the lead plattform!
cause thats where next gen is mainly going to happen

Thankfully you don't call the shots.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: roads on 01:05 AM - 07/09/13
Quote
i really really hope obsiv considers this
not sure what he has up on his sleve, but i hope ps4 is the lead plattform!
cause thats where next gen is mainly going to happen

Now lets see if he thinks like a businessman as he claims to be. He did it the M$ way not to do the XIM for the PS3 for years. Imagine how much devices he would have sold if he had hopped the PS3 train from the start. Not to mention the word of mouth, the most important, he missed. That was ridiculous. "theres no X in PS3" LOL

But ONE can learn from his faults.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: attila4go on 04:45 AM - 07/10/13
is it ok for xim?  :o

Battlefield 4: Xbox One Kinect compatibility confirmed by DICE

http://www.vg247.com/2013/07/10/battlefield-4-xbox-one-kinect-compatibility-confirmed-by-dice/ (http://www.vg247.com/2013/07/10/battlefield-4-xbox-one-kinect-compatibility-confirmed-by-dice/)
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: Johnny on 05:55 AM - 07/10/13
I guessing that I'm late at this convo but I just want to give my opinion so far.

As most of you may know that MS have made a big mistake at E3 which gone other side 'Sony' a huge point from our gamers so I'm not sure if I'll stick with the XBone in the next gen.
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: spyder on 09:28 AM - 07/10/13
first of- dunno how ppl hold the controller but i hold it angled pointing more towards the floor and not 90 degrees to the TV.

second- just tape it over with black tape or use black pen to paint over the light. No reason to be concerned here.

third- if you have an extremely reflecting tv, a glowing controller is just one of 100 problems you have.

so spot on.. the other best argument i've seen is "pretty much all plasma TVs are glossy and this will be a problem" and gaming on plasma somehow isn0t a problem for these people LOL! they must love switching TVs in few years time due to burnout xD

Just to be sure that I was reading what I thought I was reading, you ARE claiming that LCD panels are better for gaming than plasma. Right?
Title: Re: Xbox One vs PlayStation 4
Post by: ak-xs on 09:45 AM - 07/10/13