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Title: G400 Grip?
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 07:10 PM - 06/23/12
Hi guys,

Well it's come around to that time, my death adder is slowly giving up.
Little by little, i'm have glitching problems with it, and its time to start looking for a new mouse.

I really love my death adder, it's an awesome mouse.
But the 1800Dpi verisions are redundant now, I'm sure if i looked i could find one.

But its better to move onto something else.
Since i'm a low sensitivity player, i like to flick shot a lot.

This means i make some pretty fast mouse movements,
My current death adder has something like 60-120 Inches per second tracking.

Where as the G400 has something like 70-140 IPS..

I can bug out my death adder through flick shots quiet easily if i wish.
So something with a higher IPS is needed.

My only problem is, i bought a G500 when i still had my XIM3.
& found the shape to be awkward to hold. I'm sure i could get used to it but it would take sometime.

Anyway sorry for going on and on, here is my question (bearing in mind i have googled this.)
I know with some mice you can but an attachable grip to widen the mouse to give extra support or grip?

A bit like all the multiple grips that come with the G9X?
Is there anything like this for the G400?

Also would the G400 track well on a Black cloth mouse mat?
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: mist4fun on 07:25 PM - 06/23/12
As far as I know no you can't adjust the grip like the g9x. The g400 is supposed to be an updated mx518, so if you've held one of those that should give you an idea of how it feels. Yes it will do great on a black cloth pad, it's an optical sensor.
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 08:07 PM - 06/23/12
Yea I've held a G500 which is a similar shape although the G400 / 518 Has less of a tilt to the grip,
Tbh i know i wont like the shape of the G400 but i'm willing to put the time in and get used to it for the sake of the fast tracking sensor.

But are there any other mice that track well on black cloth mouse mats that have a very high IPS tracking?
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: Od1n on 06:27 AM - 06/24/12
g500 and g400/mx518 shape look similar but arent the same!

i have both right next to me and can compare them
the mx518/g400 is much thinner whereas the g500 is bigger, higher and wider
also the lower part of the g500 is much more extended

yes from watching pictures both do look pretty much the same (shape) but they are not
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 06:53 AM - 06/24/12
So you've just made it sound even worse lol...
I hate having my pinky finger trailing on the mouse mat!

I've ordered it anyway, it was only about £25 so i can try it and sell it right away if i cant deal with the shape.
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: roads on 07:46 AM - 06/24/12
In UK you cant send Amazon back for 30 days? They never ask questions in Germany.
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 10:31 AM - 06/24/12
In UK you cant send Amazon back for 30 days? They never ask questions in Germany.

Not really bothered for £25..
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: roads on 10:40 AM - 06/24/12
Nah its if you do it 10 times.
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 10:43 AM - 06/24/12
OK.
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 05:46 PM - 06/24/12
I think i have found the perfect mouse for me, although the mouse it's self looks cheesy..
But the sensor on paper seems to be better than that of the death adder.

And the actual shape of the mouse looks like they kind of shape I've always been looking for since i hate having mu pinky on the mouse matt..

Is this a good sensor?

http://www.esportnova.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=154&Itemid=237

Will the mouse track at higher speeds than the death adder?
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: Od1n on 07:21 PM - 06/24/12
i really aint sure if theres currently a better tracking mouse than the g400
zen will know though as hes our guy at overclock.net :)
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 07:42 PM - 06/24/12
i really aint sure if theres currently a better tracking mouse than the g400
zen will know though as hes our guy at overclock.net :)

So your saying the G400 is "the" best tracking optical mouse on the market in term of being able to maintain tracking while moving at high speeds?

I wonder if i could ever take the insides of the G400 out and put them in another mouse?
There will obviously be some compatibility problems from the mouse wheel position and sensor placement..

But i'm sure it wouldn't be an impossible task?
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: roads on 10:15 PM - 06/24/12
Interesting mouse, the cable on the side means you could fix the cable to your arm with a wristband, dunno if that makes sense. Whats 0.09lb, is that pounds? Would be 40 gramms thatís almost impossibly light? Sensor at center, 5 fingers supported by the mouse, 3 onboard memories that almost sound like Logitech internals. Only problem would be get it fully supported by the XIM. A good find this is.

Edit read a bit about the mouse and they say its wobbling because of the ceramic feet.
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: Zen on 01:39 AM - 06/25/12
Actually the 3.5g deathadder is technically superior at tracking at 3500DPI better then the G400 top speed. The only downside is the higher liftoff but that's not really a flaw. The logitech custom lens to lower the LOD makes it perform slightly worse then the DA 3.5 at DPIs over 800. It now also surpasses the old DA 1800.

There was some problems with old 3.5g firmwares that are still doing the rounds among people that arent obsessed with mouse performance. Those issues have been sorted for a long time now. Cursor quality and max IPS is now faster (slightly) on the DA 3.5g.

But its much of a muchness. Shape will be a bigger factor in your overall enjoyment of the mouse.



Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: roads on 01:55 AM - 06/25/12
Does this matter with the XIM even at COD as we dont have top speed anyway?
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: Zen on 02:33 AM - 06/25/12
No. Every half decent mouse will still exceed the in game max turn speed. Even the intellimice don't suffer and they are less then half the max IPS of these mice being discussed.

For anyone deciding between the DA and G400 go with shape. Either is a superb choice.
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: roads on 02:41 AM - 06/25/12
So its still high DPI mous that is best like Sensei or the coming 8600dpi Avago lasers to flatten the curve/line and have smooth small movement precision aiming, but tracking speed is negligible as blackdotting is faster than any bad tracking mouse at high speeds.
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: Zen on 02:58 AM - 06/25/12
Its a hard one to call, technically those sensors should be more precise but as the 9500 has in built acceleration and its looking likely so will the new 9800 that user precision goes out of the window. As in its more precise with a touch more  inconsistency.

I still believe personally that once a certain threshold of a sensor being decent is passed (all of what has been mentioned so far) that the shape and feel in the hand of the mouse has the biggest baring.

Case in point is that one of Counter Strike top pro players "F0rest" has been using the kinzu v1 for the last couple of years and still beasting. A mouse which has a very low max tracking speed and a huge amount of hardware based acceleration but it fits his hand perfectly. Now he's sponsored by steelseries but he could of used the XAI/Sensei or done what quake's "rapha" did and stuck a SS sticker on his intellimouse LOL

See pic

(http://www.esreality.com/files/inlineimages/2010/74910-rapha_anointed.jpg)
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: roads on 03:08 AM - 06/25/12
lol
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 05:40 AM - 06/25/12
Thank you for sorting that out Zen, i think sometimes the information gets in the way over actual performance.

What TOP 3 mice would you consider to be the best tracking mice on black cloth mouse mats on the market today?
Old or new? I really like the death adder but here is my problem.


Last week i bough a Zowie EC1 eVo, Now i swear to god my aim was B0T like..
I actually could not miss, playing with the AK on city streets COD4 across market where you can just see heads over the wall that you can't shoot through so you have to aim for the head, I had basically head shot after head shot after head shot..
My small twitch aiming was perfect.

But as soon as i came to flick the mouse the sensor couldn't keep up and either stopped dead or left me looling at the floor or up at the clouds.. Actually tried 1000Hz 500Hz 125Hz << that in combination with the 3 different DPI's the mouse has, and it was still the same.

I'm actually off to the post office after i write this message to send it back to the shop. So this is why i need a fast tracking mouse! Because for all the extra aim i felt the Zowie EC1 gave me it knocked my confidence so badly on the flick shots that i'm still recovering now tbh lol.

So what i'm trying to say is, if the Zowie EC1 eVo can have soo much more precision over the deathadder, And this is not an opinion this is the mouse actually putting a smile on my face after years of death adder use. How can i go back to the deah adder knowing there is probably a better mouse out there if i just looked? (Zowie EC1 eVo would be the best mouse if it tracked better.)

One last question, Does the death adder Black edition have a different sensor? Its just because i noticed they came with different drivers?
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: Lord Of The Sith on 05:42 AM - 06/25/12
Also this guy makes some interesting points about the G400 over the deathadder.

http://www.youtube.com/v/JVrQ3L09h9I&hd=1
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: Zen on 08:21 AM - 06/25/12
EC1 evo uses basically the same sensor as the DA3.5 (avago 3090) but it uses a custom lens to lower the LOD. This results in a lower max IPS. This is due to Zowie being to focussed on getting the LOD as low as possible.

So I'd recommend the DA3.5g, G400 and probably the Sensei (but it does suffer from a touch of acceleration).
The first 2 being the safest bet from what you've told me about your fast swipes.

And RE the vid the guy prefers a full palm grip. I personally use a finger tip grip on either and like both.
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: Zen on 08:42 AM - 06/25/12
Just a couple of things to maybe edge you towards the G400. Its cheaper and also it doesnt have a braided cable which means the cable has less friction on a cloth pad and also doesnt fray. If you haven't tried one you really should.

The g400 also has better skates.

I prefer the DA shape as I finger tip and don't like the back of my palm to touch the mouse. So I'd just base it off that.
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: roads on 09:44 AM - 06/25/12
What about the upcoming Avagos having 8200 dpi, anything you know about them? Any mouse out with them before the G600?
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: Zen on 10:23 AM - 06/25/12
Probably the Razer Taipan next month.

But I've heard that it suffers the exact same amount of acceleration as the avago 9500 (no solid stats yet). Just have to see if these companies can tame it with some firmwares. No one could with the 9500. But lets wait and see.
Title: Re: G400 Grip?
Post by: Od1n on 03:57 PM - 06/25/12
zen we need to open a mouse section especially for you!

thanks for all the inputs, makes me thinking of getting another mouse next to my g500 and mx518