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Title: ANALYSES: XIM Edge vs XIM 3 -What are the differences?
Post by: Flamemonkey on 12:00 PM - 05/24/12
SHOULD YOU GET THE XIM3 OR THE XIM EDGE!?

XIM3 is no longer stocked and there is no ETA for new stock. 8/24/12 -mist


A detailed comparison. Not going into price because duh.

Both devices have support for ALL of the XIM3's Smart Translators, and both will play equally well on Xbox 360. Both will eventually support the same hardware, though right out of the gate I've heard there will be some compatibility gaps.
Both devices will require a controller to work, and will have the same amount of ports to plug things into.

On to individual advantages.

XIM3
 -- The XIM3's major advantage is that of the LCD screen. It allows you to visually see hard data on what you are changing in your settings. However, because of the way it is set up, you need to have it in a nice visible space, meaning it can't be tucked away behind your desk, and you have to be within the viewing angle. Configuring the XIM3 or changing profiles without these requirements can be considered impractical at best.

The XIM3 has Standard Translator support. This is only for hardcore p33p5 like Toys and his bros. Most people use and love Smart Translators, so the only time you'll use this is for games without Smart Translators. If you play CoD and other mainstream games, you won't miss this. If you play some absurd games, many of them will work almost as well with another game's Smart Translator, and for those that don't, then you'll fall back on this.

XIM EDGE
- The XIM Edge works on both 360 and PS3. This is the "primary" advantage of the device. This means you don't have to buy a GT Max adapter, and PS3 games will have Smart Translators. Meaning KZ3, Uncharted, ETC, will work best with this device. And even beyond the Smarties, the XIM Edge will not suffer from any added lag from the GT Max.

-The XIM Edge DOESN'T have a screen. Yes, this is a positive. With the Xim Edge, everything is done just on the controller and keyboard, and the feedback is visual from the lighting of the device. With this, as long as you can see a glow, you know what you are doing, meaning that the Edge can be considerably more tucked away than the XIM3. Also, viewing angles are no longer a problem, and changing to another config is as easy as hitting one of the F# keys. No more start-select, navigate, look down, none of that. F1. Bam, CoD. F4, congrats, BF3. F5, now you're in BF3 tank config. Easy.

-XIM Edge has more room for Smart Translators. 32 vs 10, which really means 16 vs 5 if all games have a seperate ADS. Pretty big.

-XIM Edge will use a PS3 controller for PS3 mode. Seriously, now you can take that Xbox controller with the 10 foot cable, and replace it with a nice, neat, standard-everyone-has-one PS3 controller with a cable the exact size you need. I love this.

---OVERALL---
So what it comes down to, for the casual or average user, is just how important is an LCD screen? Is it worth another $70, and making some things actually more difficult? Given that you can hook it up to a computer to set your configs when you're getting really deep in it, a screen just seems overkill. Plus, the XIM series is already famous for being a cable mess. If you want to go to a friends house and he has a PS3, now you have to factor in a GT Max on top of another huge lump of cabling. Personally, I think the average user would be better off getting the XIM Edge, and the hardcore standards-are-better-than-smarts should get the XIM3. Yes, the XIM3 is the more fully-featured version for the 360, but the features it offers really aren't that great when you stop and think about it.

Awesome Graph for quick comparison:
(http://www.xim3.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21080.0;attach=4451;image)
Addon: "Eyes-off" configuration: XIM Edge - Yes, XIM3 - No

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That's it for my analyses. If I'm missing anything, or someone wants to point it out, let me know. If it sounds good, a mod should sticky this so that people stop making OH WHAT DO I GET topics.
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Post by: dmxdex on 12:15 PM - 05/24/12
Good read. Needs to be stickied to save the millions of threads asking the difference.
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Post by: mist4fun on 12:20 PM - 05/24/12
We could put up a comparison chart as well for those who skim.
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Post by: Griffin on 12:32 PM - 05/24/12
Good work! I was going to do attempt this kind of a post but I'm certainly not as knowledgeable as everyone else here.

Yeah, a chart would be great.
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Post by: stetab on 01:13 PM - 05/24/12
Needs more table and selective bolding
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Post by: Flamemonkey on 02:45 PM - 05/24/12
Alright, I'll make a table. And bold random crap.
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Post by: mist4fun on 02:49 PM - 05/24/12
(http://www.xim3.com/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21080.0;attach=4451;image)
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Post by: Flamemonkey on 02:50 PM - 05/24/12
WELL I GUESS THAT WORKS.

Done. Might go over it again and fix it up more but SLIGHTLY busy right now.
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Post by: stetab on 06:26 PM - 05/24/12
No switchers!?

http://www.youtube.com/v/WWaLxFIVX1s&hd=1

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Post by: amak1 on 07:25 PM - 05/24/12
Lulz... No switchers is pretty big but they got the hotkey thingy should work just as well for the most part. I just hate the absence of standards all the betas that come out usually dont have smartys but ends up with a good standard. ill be honest though I never really tried swapping smarties between games.
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Post by: Scoobz on 07:38 PM - 05/24/12
If theres going to be a hotkey feature to switch to diff games, how many games will we be able to switch to in total  ?
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Post by: Flamemonkey on 08:07 PM - 05/24/12
All of them.
It's the way you go to different configs.
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Post by: Mouse N Keybord on 08:29 PM - 05/24/12
changing to another config is as easy as hitting one of the F# keys. No more start-select, navigate, look down, none of that. F1. Bam, CoD. F4, congrats, BF3. F5, now you're in BF3 tank config. Easy.

I was thinking the same thing but because the XIM3 has switchers you can bind any key to another config. No need to use the menu.
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Post by: Fatal 0Efx on 10:27 PM - 05/28/12
I don't understand the use of hotkeys as the goal here.  As I understand it hotkeys are global now, vs. per config so you can easily run out of configs.  Given that more memory is on the device that would reason you can store more configs.  Meaning you would need ability to switch between more configs.  There are a limited number of hotkeys available on a keyboard and that number drastically dwindles with keyboard alternatives.... even less with joysticks, ala PS Move.  What are those users supposed to do?

*Edit:  once you do switch a config.. how do you even know what config you're in?  simply by color being displayed?  How many colors can the device display?  At least how many that a user would easily distinguish between visually?  Also would users need to now keep color printed cheat sheets to know which configs are set to which colors to know which they are on?
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Post by: mindworm22 on 10:56 PM - 05/28/12
The EDGE has an option to print off a cheat sheet if you have a kajillion colors.  And yes, it can do a kajillion colors....
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Post by: Fatal 0Efx on 11:12 PM - 05/28/12
The EDGE may be able to be configured to use a lot of colors, but I guarantee you that
1) the device LEDs won't be able to display them,
2) you won't be able to tell the difference between all of the ones the device may be able to display, and
3) the printer you use to print the cheat sheet won't match the color spectrum of the LEDs that the EDGE is using to display the configs.

Lastly, I'm being silly here, but there is a mild point to this.. but where is OBsIV's sense of responsibility to the environment?  Shouldn't he be shying away from supporting the killing of trees to support his product?  <grin> 
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Post by: Griffin on 12:28 AM - 05/29/12
The colored LEDs may not help perfectly 100% of the time, but then again that is just a confirmation system. The device theoretically could be without the LEDs and still work fine as long as there is no user error. The LEDs are there just to guide you to help avoid such errors, as well as give you a direction on how to fix the error (mostly talking about config editing here).
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Post by: roads on 01:36 AM - 05/29/12
Quote
*Edit:  once you do switch a config.. how do you even know what config you're in?  simply by color being displayed?  How many colors can the device display?  At least how many that a user would easily distinguish between visually?  Also would users need to now keep color printed cheat sheets to know which configs are set to which colors to know which they are on?

I dont think thatís a problem I know what config I am on the G700 and there are only three one colored leds displaying. It will work youll see.
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Post by: Mouse N Keybord on 01:36 PM - 05/29/12
There is 16 different colors...yikes lol
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Post by: roads on 02:15 PM - 05/29/12
I hope you are playing Viva Pinata on that Monitor.
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Post by: willthetech on 02:17 PM - 05/29/12
May be if you choose a very distinguishable color like red or dark blue for your start up ST then you can use that as a reference for the others while cycling thru them.
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Post by: ALIxReBORN on 02:28 PM - 05/29/12
What does the smart ballistics do on the Edge? I got the GT Max Adaptor for my Xim3 for playing COD on PS3. Should i get the Xim Edge?  ???
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Post by: mist4fun on 02:47 PM - 05/29/12
Ballistics Explained on Page 19-23:

http://xim3.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/XIM-Edge-User-Manual.pdf
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Post by: roads on 03:19 PM - 05/29/12
:D
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Post by: mist4fun on 03:25 PM - 05/29/12
That looks like an I told you so smile roads.
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Post by: roads on 03:38 PM - 05/29/12
You did in a way. Any news on the frontline?
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Post by: ALIxReBORN on 04:04 PM - 05/29/12
Ballistics Explained on Page 19-23:

http://xim3.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/XIM-Edge-User-Manual.pdf

Hey Tony  :D u did good!! Lol.. Btw, i think i'm 1 post away from becoming an MVP  :P don't even know what that means  ::)
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Post by: mist4fun on 05:21 PM - 05/29/12
It means you win the forum.
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Post by: ALIxReBORN on 05:41 PM - 05/29/12
It means you win the forum.

Do i get a cookie?!  :P I want a cookie!
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Post by: ak-xs on 07:48 PM - 05/29/12
ty flame.. this will be useful.. a lot better than keep repeating the same explanation over and over...
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Post by: Indread on 08:51 PM - 05/29/12
Lack of switchers via holding a button is a step backwards, otherwise, the Edge is the superior product.

The logic for the lack of switchers doesn't connect for me. If it's because Edge is aiming to be mass marketed and taking away this feature means it would less likely be viewed as a cheating device; most or many gaming mice have on board memory type switching already. Not cheating.

If the rationale is to encourage future customers to possibly choose the more expensive XIM3; this is unlikely, since most new customers will want PS3 support. Current XIM3 owners would be more inclined to upgrade to a XIM Edge since it's universally better if switchers was enabled.
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Post by: chrome- on 09:31 PM - 06/07/12
can people stop flaming this thread and keep it to topic? i have a xim2 and xim3... and i'm really thinking about getting the edge, but not sure if its better than the xim3... i like that it holds more ST's but i really do like the screen of the xim3... when will a xim be made with a SD card reader or somethin to we can put a bunch of games on it... thats the part that sux IMO... being stuck with only 5 ST's on the xim3 is horrible for the price... the edge looks more price efficient and has double the memory but not as easy to use =/
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Post by: willthetech on 05:16 AM - 06/08/12
can people stop flaming this thread and keep it to topic? i have a xim2 and xim3... and i'm really thinking about getting the edge, but not sure if its better than the xim3... i like that it holds more ST's but i really do like the screen of the xim3... when will a xim be made with a SD card reader or somethin to we can put a bunch of games on it... thats the part that sux IMO... being stuck with only 5 ST's on the xim3 is horrible for the price... the edge looks more price efficient and has double the memory but not as easy to use =/

I had the same worries but XIM edge is becoming my go to xim even for xbox 360. At first i was worry i would not like to have to look at lights but after using it for a while is not longer an issue. If you have a ps3 = edge, if you have both consoles = edge, even if you own just an xbox = edge, but if you are hard core gamer or consider yourself one and just have an xbox = XIM3. :)
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Post by: ak-xs on 05:19 AM - 06/08/12
I had the same worries but XIM edge is becoming my go to xim even for xbox 360. At first i was worry i would not like to have to look at lights but after using it for a while is not longer an issue. If you have a ps3 = edge, if you have both consoles = edge, even if you own just an xbox = edge, but if you are hard core gamer or consider yourself one and just have an xbox = XIM3. :)


this could not be more right. and i just hope it starts to become crystal clear for everyone who didn't realize it already..
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Post by: chrome- on 09:36 PM - 06/08/12
yea i do really like the LCD screen... what do you mean that if  your a hard core gamer to stick with xim3? i just have an xbox 360 and a PC that i game on
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Post by: ak-xs on 10:50 PM - 06/08/12
yea i do really like the LCD screen... what do you mean that if  your a hard core gamer to stick with xim3? i just have an xbox 360 and a PC that i game on

he means XIM3 > XIMEdge if you only have Xbox.
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Post by: roads on 12:00 AM - 06/09/12
The screen is not worth almost double price. Its kind of useless when you play. Ballistics is superior to smart advanced. If you guys can convince Obsiv to make the config change keys to change the config until held and revert back when released then its:

EDGE>>>>>XIM3
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Post by: Supta on 10:16 AM - 06/09/12
Very nice post!
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Post by: mist4fun on 07:04 PM - 06/16/12
bump
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Post by: Brick on 09:04 AM - 06/17/12
Great thread.It explains everything.I hope an eta will be announced soon.I really want to buy it especailly for its ps3 support.
BTW price difference between them is 60$ not 70$. ;)
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Post by: Dice on 10:50 PM - 06/29/12
I go away for a few months, come back to this. Thank god for threads like this one.
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Post by: roads on 10:55 PM - 06/29/12
Nice your back Dice the PS3 lured me back into Obsivs cave also.
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Post by: Dice on 11:00 PM - 06/29/12
Thanks Roads. Yea I see PS3 is native. Me think I need to spend more cash and play me some more killzone.
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Post by: RML on 08:11 AM - 07/04/12
Based on everything I've read here and all the similarities. It comes down to one simple thing for me. Can you adj. X and Y sensitivity individually with the edge like you can with the XIM3? This is a huge deal for me as for whatever reason I have to always have Y faster. If not I choose the XIM3. I just hope I can buy one "NEW" without paying $300.00!
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Post by: roads on 08:23 AM - 07/04/12
Tuffrabit wants to sell his PM him, I am not selling anything mods :D
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Post by: RML on 09:28 AM - 07/04/12
Thanks Roads but I'm still needing to know about the Edge's settings. Can you adj. X,Y speeds and deadzones individually? If not does Ballistics give you other options? Sry if I missed this somewhere in the forums, I've searched around for awhile!
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Post by: Johnny on 04:06 PM - 07/10/12
Just a quick question.
I only have xb360 but I want to get the Edge. Do you think there's an issue for that?
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Post by: Flamemonkey on 04:29 PM - 07/10/12
It's not an issue, so much as maybe a factor. Both will work equally well on 360, minus the things that are different (ie; LCD screen vs lights, etc).
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Post by: Johnny on 05:46 PM - 07/10/12
Alright, thanks.
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Post by: OBsIV on 02:14 PM - 07/11/12
XIM3 is out-of-stock and there is no additional batch scheduled at this time.