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Title: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: SILENT TRIGGER on 07:05 AM - 03/29/11
hey guys,
this is a mod to use the M$ wireless headset transmitter on the mixamp with the xim3

the mod has the following advantages:
-no robot voice because it's not connected to the xim3 :)
-no aim-moving on the xim3 if anyone speaks loud into the mic
-no headset-cable nedded to the controller on the xim3.
-you have a mic on / off button and can use it with any headset which is pluged into the mixamp.
-no batteries need to power the wireless headset
- you speak and hear the voices in your Ad700 (or whatever headset you have connectet to your mixamp)


without the mod:
headset --> cable --> mixamp --> cable --> controller --> cable --> xim3 ---> cable --> xbox

with mod:
headset --> cable --> mixamp -->wirelesstransmitter --> xbox  :)


the mod is much easy,
all you need is a microsoft wireless headset
and a cable from the microsoft wired headset (or any other 4-pin cable with a 2.5mm jack)

if it's done it must look like this picture
the 2,5mm jack goes to the mixamp and the usb goes to any usb-port to power it
(http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/4544/300311021520_sonstige_100_5017.jpg)

you don't have to speak in the wirelessheadset, you speak an hear the voices normal in your headset which you have connected to your mixamp.

now lets start the mod

open the wireless headset
there are two screws on the right and left of the bracket
how it looks open you can see here.
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/lofiversion/index.php/t560135.html

first take the charging cable (from the wireless headset) and cut off the connector.
you see a black and a red cable (black=ground and red= +)
(http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/4544/290311144603_sonstige_usb-kabel_kleiner.jpg)


now we goes back to the wireless headset

on the battery pack you see a yellow and a blue cable (blue=ground and yellow= +)
Remove the battery and solder the usb cable on these two cables from the pcb
(black to blue) and (red to yellow)

remove the speaker from the wireless headset.
you see a red and a black cable (red= + and blach= ground)

remove the mic cable like in the picture
you see ab black and a white cable (black= ground and white= +)

now we open the mic on/off switcher from our wired xbox-headset

(http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/4544/290311143158_sonstige_schalter.jpg)

if its open, solder all cables from the wireless-headset pcb to this pcb like in the pictures

(http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/4544/290311194927_sonstige_pcb-1111.jpg)

(http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/4544/290311194221_sonstige_schalter21.jpg)

now it's done.
test it, isolating it, (if you want fix the soldered joints with hot glue)
assemble it and have fun ;)

hope you can understand this TuT, my english is not the best...
google translator ftw^^





Title: Re: M$ Wireless Headset to mixamp Mod
Post by: roads on 07:24 AM - 03/29/11
You are a genious! Your idea?
Title: Re: M$ Wireless Headset to mixamp Mod
Post by: matttehman on 07:36 AM - 03/29/11
What is with you Germans and modding everything? I never knew that you guys were such huge modders.

Should I now have a stereo-type that you guys can mod anything?

Was Macgyver German?

Nice job on the mod!  :D
Title: Re: M$ Wireless Headset to mixamp Mod
Post by: Od1n on 07:39 AM - 03/29/11
but whats the purpose if this mod?

you want to use the wireless headset as a mic only right?
rest plays through the headphones

why not using a wired mic with cable-clip then?
you can easily clip them onto your ad700 cable and their quality is more than acceptable for the xbl-standards
Title: Re: M$ Wireless Headset to mixamp Mod
Post by: abc123 on 07:42 AM - 03/29/11
images broken
Title: Re: M$ Wireless Headset to mixamp Mod
Post by: SILENT TRIGGER on 08:43 AM - 03/29/11


why not using a wired mic with cable-clip then?
you can easily clip them onto your ad700 cable and their quality is more than acceptable for the xbl-standards

why should i do this?
my ad700 has a mic
i have a moded ad700 from tommy
here is mine
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_JVTrCm2EgJU/TTZ1KQ9WrKI/AAAAAAAADEg/b2iixJfPRgU/s640/IMG_0284.JPG)
Title: Re: M$ Wireless Headset to mixamp Mod
Post by: roads on 08:44 AM - 03/29/11
but whats the purpose if this mod?

you want to use the wireless headset as a mic only right?
rest plays through the headphones

why not using a wired mic with cable-clip then?
you can easily clip them onto your ad700 cable and their quality is more than acceptable for the xbl-standards

Odin this solves the XIM mic problem and you are not connecting the Mixamp to the controller anymore. Its a wireless mixamp to xbox connection. You still speak through your headset through the mixamp.

Before:  headset ->mixamp -> controller -> Xbox
Now: headset  ->mixamp -> wireless headset -> Xbox

You use the wireless headset as bridge that is all.

I am so happy this works, I hated this stupid cord from the mixamp to the controller, this is so fuucking awesome!
Title: Re: M$ Wireless Headset to mixamp Mod
Post by: SILENT TRIGGER on 08:47 AM - 03/29/11
but whats the purpose if this mod?

you want to use the wireless headset as a mic only right?
rest plays through the headphones

no i don't use the mic from the wireless.. and i don't use the speaker from the wireless..
i use only the transmitter ;)

i use the mic from my ad700 and the speaker from the ad700 to chat.

i use this mod becaus i don't like the headset cable on my controller..
and i don't like the aim-move bug from the xim3 ;)
this mod fixes the bug ;)
and i want to have a mic on/off switcher on mit maxamp. with this mod i have one ;)

the biggest reason was the aim-move bug.
if you connect any headset to your controller on the xim3 you have these bug.
if anyone speak loud in the chat your aiming move ingame,
because the xim3 response to the chat-signals.



Title: Re: M$ Wireless Headset to mixamp Mod
Post by: AP on 09:14 AM - 03/29/11
neat idea, but does it degrade the quality like the normal wireless mic does.

jasonator used to use one on his xim1 and it was fecking nasty, was hard to make out anything of what he was saying at times.

But if this gets round the aim bug I all for it.

And yes I get that your not useing the wireless mic etc, I just wondering if the transmiter degades it at all.
Title: Re: M$ Wireless Headset to mixamp Mod
Post by: roads on 09:18 AM - 03/29/11
Yeah the wireless mic itself is a design flaw, bad mic, and not mouth near. The wireless controller with a headset atteched has no bad sound has it? Not worse than a wired controller with headset. Did not test yet but should be OK.
Title: Re: M$ Wireless Headset to mixamp Mod
Post by: Od1n on 09:30 AM - 03/29/11
Before:  headset ->mixamp -> controller -> Xbox
Now: headset  ->mixamp -> wireless headset -> Xbox

oh i see, now i got it
really nice idea, never thought about something like this
Title: Re: M$ Wireless Headset to mixamp Mod
Post by: AP on 09:35 AM - 03/29/11
I dont get why you need to open the mic on/off box tho ??
Title: Re: M$ Wireless Headset to mixamp Mod
Post by: SILENT TRIGGER on 10:49 AM - 03/29/11
I dont get why you need to open the mic on/off box tho ??

you don't need to open the box.
you can take the end from the cable and use this.
i have only open the box to make the photos, so i can better explain which cable comes to which cable ;)
in the first picture you can see i self connected the transmitter to the end of the  wired-headset-cable and not the box :)
Title: Re: M$ Wireless Headset to mixamp Mod
Post by: AP on 11:00 AM - 03/29/11
I thought so, was abit confused :D I think I gona have to beg roads to do me one of these :D hehehe
Title: Re: M$ Wireless Headset to mixamp Mod
Post by: SILENT TRIGGER on 11:03 AM - 03/29/11
I thought so, was abit confused :D I think I gona have to beg roads to do me one of these :D hehehe

lol. i'm sure he will be pleased.^^ :D
Title: Re: M$ Wireless Headset to mixamp Mod
Post by: SILENT TRIGGER on 11:22 AM - 03/29/11
You are a genious! Your idea?
jepp,
i saw the post from "troysloth" in the thread -> "wanted to design a xbox360 headset"
than it has been "DING!!" ^^
How are you going to achieve the wireless communication for Xbox live?  Currently the only wireless option is the official M$ wireless headset.  Apparently M$ will not share their wireless specifications so aftermarket companies can make a wireless chat solution.  TB has a workaround for their PX5.  They are working on a bluetooth receiver which plugs into your xbox controller, but its not out yet.


Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: roads on 03:45 PM - 03/29/11
Ok this mod is very easy 4 cables to connect thats all. I will search for a 2.5 connector cable tomorow dont have the keypad headset anymore. Sadly there still is the the background buzz when I listened to Trigger, but only of he talks. If he doesnt its dead silent.
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: roads on 04:06 PM - 03/29/11
Oh and you dont need the volume cord and the mute its all on the wireless headset.

Peng you can connect 4 cables right? Dont burn yourself :D

Trigger take out that part it confuses the people and its unnecessary you told me yourself you found.
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: SILENT TRIGGER on 06:20 PM - 03/29/11
you right, you don't need the mic on/off box.
you can mute it on the wireless.
i hope the buzz in the voice come from the big cables and the many solder points.
so i have moded it again.
i have desoldered all the old and the original cables from the pcb, than i have soldered all new cables direkt on the pcb. now it's no extension, no on / off box, no cold solderpoints.
i hope the buzz is now away :)
and by the way it looks much better than the first mod^^
(http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/4544/300311021520_sonstige_100_5018.jpg)

(http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/4544/300311021520_sonstige_100_5017.jpg)
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: roads on 02:11 PM - 03/30/11
We tried this with the Mixamp Cable, and Trigger said my voice was even slightly better than with the normal headset or modded headset on Mixamp. The noise suppressant of the Mixamp does great work.

One problem remain the wireless headsets gets bloody hot I guess about 50C the hotglue starts to melt. Voltage seems to high coming directly from the USB port. Any means to halve it?
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: SILENT TRIGGER on 03:50 PM - 03/30/11
the usb-port has 5 Volt.. but we need 2,5 or 3 volt.. any ideas?
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: roads on 11:35 PM - 03/30/11
Cant find any resistor table.
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: roads on 12:01 AM - 03/31/11
http://www.bcae1.com/resistrs.htm

Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: SILENT TRIGGER on 05:05 AM - 03/31/11
you need this
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280582081370
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: roads on 05:38 AM - 03/31/11
Got a 3V regulator instead
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: roads on 06:49 AM - 03/31/11
WIth the 3V regulator the headset turns off after 5 seconds like when the battery is drained. I will get a 3.5 or 3.7v limiter. I thinks its this battery:

(http://www.sunpowtech.com/photo/bluetooth/NOK800.jpg)
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: roads on 03:39 AM - 04/20/11
So here is the version that is for sure working. The battery is staying in place and you have to charge the headset when not playing. You can not charge this p.o.s. while using it. Its really easy: open it, cut the wires to mic and speaker as far as possible from the headsets pcb and wire the mixamp headset cable to it. Quality is very very good, I would say even better as wired over the controller but only with the Mixamp cable that has the huge interference filter on it.

advantages:

- no robot voice
- no daamn cable from mixamp to controller
- Arcticpenguin soldering proof 4 solderings, thank you, good bye mod.

(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/895/cimg0544v.jpg)

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6174/cimg0545x.jpg)
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: SILENT TRIGGER on 10:47 AM - 04/27/11
i have destroyed mine^^  :(
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: roads on 11:31 AM - 04/27/11
Just tell the people what diode you sent me for the USB cable so the device does not heat up. Works flawlessly now.
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: roads on 11:22 PM - 04/27/11
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2404/cimg0559un.jpg)
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: xavier_s37 on 02:14 PM - 04/28/11
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2404/cimg0559un.jpg)

can u put out a tut on how you did this start to finish with a parts list and pictures? :D would be awesome if you could
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: roads on 02:48 PM - 04/28/11
Problem is Xav, I cant reopen it as its hotglued so no other pictures. Its super simple, you remove the headsets earpart, remove the two small screws, crack the thing open, cut the 4 wires of the mic and speaker as far as possible from the PCB. Cut the Mixamp mic cable on the controller side and connect it to the wireless headset like this:

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6174/cimg0545x.jpg)

If you dont want to charge the wireless headset you can replace the battery with a USB cable. To reduce the voltage you need to connect a diode to the + so the wireless does not heat up. Dunno the part number yet, waiting for trigger to tell. I used a Iphone wallsocket to USB converter, safer than connect to your xbox imo.
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: Terminal on 04:49 AM - 05/02/11
This is great. Any word on the resistor required for USB power?
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: roads on 05:06 AM - 05/02/11
No he doesnt know any more. Here are pics of the diode.

(http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/9457/cimg0560.jpg)

(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/705/cimg0561i.jpg)

(http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/876/cimg0562.jpg)

(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5589/cimg0563x.jpg)
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: Terminal on 10:13 AM - 05/02/11
What is the brand or numbering etc so i know exactly what im looking for.
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: SILENT TRIGGER on 02:43 AM - 05/03/11
the diodes are named:
1N4004 Shottky Gleichrichter Diode

here a link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300538865596
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: Terminal on 03:15 AM - 05/03/11
So these are the same ones?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/200PCS-X-1N4004-1A-400V-Rectifie-Diodes-/270711709059?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item3f07acdd83#ht_600wt_905
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: SILENT TRIGGER on 03:17 AM - 05/03/11
yes these are the same ;)

but you only need one, not 200^^  ;D
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: thekeeper on 03:31 AM - 05/03/11
Just a little question:

Do I get some noise issue if I use the wired headset cable instead of the mixamp cable?
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: SILENT TRIGGER on 06:10 AM - 05/03/11
yes my first mod was with the standart headset cable.. with these cable i have some noise in the backround if i speak.. you have the same nois if you use the standart wireless headset without mod.... the headset transmitter is not the best quality.. but it's the one and only transmitt on the market....
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: xavier_s37 on 06:56 PM - 05/04/11
roads by any chance you dont have pics of the diode connection to the usb do you?
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: SILENT TRIGGER on 12:10 PM - 05/05/11
the diode must be connected to the positive pole.
The gray line must show to the headset.
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: roads on 01:55 PM - 05/05/11
Sorry hotglued in the device so no pic but just do it as Atze Trigger said. Better use a wallplug to USB converter like the Iphone uses to charge than a Xbox USB port.
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: Terminal on 06:09 AM - 05/06/11
Would the same resistor work if i was using a Microsoft wall socket charger for the headset instead of the USB one?
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: ipn0tic on 03:11 PM - 05/09/11
Hi

I did not make this mod yet, but I can say it will work with the charger.
Anyway the diode is there and its function is to reduce 0,7 Volts from the 5 Volts provided by the USB port.
With this you get 4.3 Volts on the headset, much better than 5, yet you will have 1.3 to 1.8 Volts of difference. If you can measure the current that passes the diode we can calculate the value of the resistor to get the remaining voltage on the resistor, else you can use two more diodes to remove 1.4 Volts from the headset.
Just like this ------||----------||-----------||----------   
Voltage        5V            4.3V           3.5V             2.8V                 

Hope this will help you out to solve the over voltage issue
Best regards
JO
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: thekeeper on 10:29 AM - 05/19/11
Guys, I have a problem.

I bought a wireless headset, soldered PERFECTLY the wires as shown in the Roads picture with the mixamp cable. The wires are not touching togheter, are all separate.

I left the battery, no diode or whatever, but there are 2 things that I'm not sure are good:

1) When I turn ON or OFF the wireless headset, I get a sound noise like of a "spark" in the headset of the mixamp(hope you understand what I mean)... is that normal?

2) The wireless headset gets hot. Don't know how much, it seems like 40 C... but it is powered with the standard battery... why in the world it gets hot? Is it normal?

Thanks. (By the way I modded the razer Nostromo, it works perfectly, thanks everyone - Roads in particular :) )
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: mist4fun on 06:28 PM - 05/19/11
Do you have any solder splashes that may have bridged something together on the board?
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: PSIONUK on 03:59 PM - 05/22/11
I have done the mod today and my headset is getting very hot too... I'm using the battery.

Could this be due to power to the, now removed, electret microphone being partially shorted by connecting to the mixamp/headphones instead?

Quality of Sound is great... better than the wired in my opinion.

Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: thekeeper on 04:28 PM - 05/22/11
Do you have any solder splashes that may have bridged something together on the board?

Sorry, I had little time to come here in the last 2 days.

Well, I checked but there aren't splashes on the board :/
Don't know what to think....
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: roads on 10:01 PM - 05/22/11
Guys, I have a problem.

I bought a wireless headset, soldered PERFECTLY the wires as shown in the Roads picture with the mixamp cable. The wires are not touching togheter, are all separate.

I left the battery, no diode or whatever, but there are 2 things that I'm not sure are good:

1) When I turn ON or OFF the wireless headset, I get a sound noise like of a "spark" in the headset of the mixamp(hope you understand what I mean)... is that normal?

2) The wireless headset gets hot. Don't know how much, it seems like 40 C... but it is powered with the standard battery... why in the world it gets hot? Is it normal?

Thanks. (By the way I modded the razer Nostromo, it works perfectly, thanks everyone - Roads in particular :) )

1) yes the noise is normal it also happens when you press + or - on the headset. Its the headset feedback sound.
2) 40-50 is completely normal, if you use the battery you should be safe.

I stopped using this mod as I was not able to make the voices loud enough with the mixamp.
Title: Re: Mod: use M$ Wireless transmitter on Mixamp
Post by: PSIONUK on 05:43 AM - 05/23/11
I'm plugging the wireless headset into a mixing desk so my wiring is different.

BUT the hot headset is definitely NOT NORMAL and it only occurs when the MIC cable is connected.

The MIC cable is poviding 1.5V to power the inbuilt MIC could we use a DIODE to issolate this?